Regarding the comment about a VHF signal not having range to trigger the radios. It is possible that drones equipped with VHF xmitters flying at high altitude would have LOS to an enormous area.
i doubt, plus they probably wanted to target those working inside buildings and tunnels, this woudn't work against combatants but it could be what you described, but this makes it so that this attack didn't target the combatants and instead targetted civilians, so it's a terror attack. i'd like to point something that alot of people are missing, Hezbollah is a political party in libanon and part of the governement, so there is hundereds of civilians working inside it, not only combatants like many media would want you to believe.
@@zazugeeHezbollah is a terrorist organization that has fired thousands of rockets into northern Israel just this year alone, in addition to dozens of other attacks against Israeli civilians, and their ultimate goal is the destruction of the Jewish state and all in it. If you willingly work with/for such an organization YOU bear responsibility for its goals and crimes as well, whether you claim to be a 'civilian' or not. The German people during WWII, who voted in and long supported Hitler and his Nazi thugs, learned this the hard way as well.
Mostly VHF TX 'distance' would be limited to power, I suspect that whoever triggered IEDs was not concerned about power limits. The important parameter would be receiver sensitivity couple with (say) DTMF selectivity...
Conversation when like this: Abdul: Say, Abul why does you wife keep paging you? Abul: I told her move back with her mother if she wants to. Abdul: That's your darn pager again. Shut the thing off. Abul: I should call her, but you're right. I'll just shut this thing....BOOM...awwffff. Abdul: Why are your balls on the ceiling? Abul? Abul? Are you ok? I guess not.
I am throwing out a wag here. Often ICOM shares chassis and parts between amateur and commercial radios, which may be the reason for the space under the battery, such as a scrambler unit or other device. I have a v8000 which for most part was marketed as a commercial radio in South America. There were two different scrambling units available for this radio with only swapping out a tone board and cutting a trace. So this may be the reason for the space.A dive into the history books may find a similar commercial model that makes use of this space for for such an accessory. Thanks for the info and be safe.
Thank you for buying genuine used samples and also counterfeit samples. I am very curious what differences you discover. Looking forward to that report!
Has it been established if the handhelds were all in the on state when they exploded? A radio controlled detonation seems far more likely than the use of a time delay, given the long undetermined shipping and distribution delay. A RTC could be programmed to trigger the units to explode on a predetermined date and time, but politically this would be problematic given the long delay between modification and explosion. With such a long time scale, the political situation might have changed. It is likely that the military involved would wish to retain complete control of the timing of the attack. iF a modified sealed battery was used, it would be standard practice to encapsulate the detonation control circuit, including the receiver, within the explosive compound, that way much of the evidence would be obliterated in the explosion.
I absolutely agree. Beyond that, the political ramifications of, say, an explosion on an airliner would be devastating. Far too many variables that could make the operation backfire.
ICOM IC-V82 is the cheapest way to do digital voice scrambling by install the UT-114 optional Modules. And it the first handy in the market that can use DSTAR by install UT-118 optional Module.
Why should Icom be terrified? We already know these were not stock radios exploding due to battery or radio defect. Icom did not add PTEN explosive into their devices. An intelligence agency specifically targeted a shipment of communications equipment ordered by a transnational terrorist organization. The intercepted shipments had sophisticated explosives with activation mechanism added to these devices. This type of explosive device is not floating around on Ebay or Aliexpress for general consumers to buy by accident. There is nothing for public to worry about.
They weren't ignited by a timer that is just rediculous, u wouldn't have control to set them off at the most desired time, besides, the pagers had to be immediately prematurely set off because someone had gotten suspicious. Range is not a problem with multiple synchronized transmission devices spread out in the area. They absolutely were set off remotely.
FWIW I had a IC-V82 with a D-Star board, so there's plenty of space inside the radio body. There was also a "scrambler board" that fit in the same place for use in public service bands (under a slightly different model number). Should be interesting to see what you actually receive from Ali Express.
The D-Star accessory was UT-118, and as you say there are multiple other boards that can be placed in/on the accessory header. IIRC there is a schematic in the service manual of the connector pin out.
I would guess they had a multicast or simulcast repeater system set up specifically for these radios all programmed the same and used by military or public safety. Probably sent out a DMTF or 2 tone sequence that activated a custom firmware feature to blow up C4 or something
@@charlie_nolan 3 grams of PETN. for reference,a #8 test blasting cap uses .046 grams of PETN. powerful stuff,and slightly easier to detonate than C4/RDX. also less detectable by sniffers or dogs.
Remember that weird halloween video you made where you were popping diodes and capacitors? Something similar was used in those bogus/tampered icoms as an electric blasting cap to ignite a charge placed in the voids, nooks, and crannies inside the radios. The ied shared the radios battery for power. As a (sick) bonus, all the metal, plastic, and silicon in the radio becomes shrapnel. (I'm not a terrorist, the army trained me to use explosives.)
The few pictures we have look like the battery again was the carrier of the charge. For a detonation receiver there is plenty of power supply. Would be interesting to see if there were explosions of batteries just placed in chargers or even just laying around on the shelf.
@@uki352 Yup. Those old Icoms had a big NiMH battery (or a carrier for 6 AA's). If they were to pull those old batteries out and replace them with a smaller LiFePO4, there would probably not be any noticeable change of performance/power, AND it would free up space to squash a charge in there.
At one time, many years ago, one of the OFFICIAL Radios used by the IDF was the Icom IC-W2A. The MOSSAD was able to make several AMAZING Mods to that Radio, which, to this day, are not talked about.
Very interesting, and very timely. Thanks for all you do to keep the ham community updated! One added comment, because of that situation, it is very likely for anyone traveling via airplanes or other commercial modes, will now be subjected to strict searches, for phones radios, etc. Sadly, if we all have to give up our electronic devices if traveling via commercial mean, will be severely inconvenienced, because of it. Looks like we all are going to have to go back to carpooling! I can see a lot more mobile activations.😄
Most likely shipments intercepted by a certain agency/group and shaped charges installed (like play doh tape). Which will definitely ruin someones day. A high altitude drone can cover a wide area of frequencies in an area.
Not amateur radios. These are commercial radios likely the ones sold byTopsung, China and are clones of the ICOM model (also a commercial radio) which was discontinued ten years ago. The V82 is VHF and the U82 is UHF.
Very easy to figure out. The powder you mentioned was likely packed into the batteries, along with a 4G wireless chip. Locations could be tracked in real time over the cell network, and detonation commands sent to any radio at will, or to all of them at once. I have not heard whether batteries sitting in chargers exploded also, but I would suspect so since keeping them intact would allow the technology to be found and reverse engineered. Similar methods were likely utilized in the pagers, with the explosive charge and 4G chip being built into the pager itself (not the consumer-replaceable battery.)
Dozens of injured said that it peeped for 10 seconds having them pick up the pager to their face to read the message then they detonated, it was a secret code message that set it off. The people that side wounds might have ignored the beeps or just glanced and reshaped to their paints followed by a boom.
I could think of a number of ways to accomplish this; but if one was building a battery based device, it would be trivial for a state actor to include a sort of one way modem into the battery casing itself that would receive a pre-programmed sequence through the radios speaker and trigger the device. It could have been sub audible, or not. Back in the day RadioShack had a sort of pocket phone book that replayed DTMF signals into the phones headset. Flip the script, add some boom boom and bobs your uncle.
Probably not, since this was very likely a targeted attack by a nation-state or entity with similar capability. That said it might be worth wearing at least some basic protective gear and carefully examining any product you get from a less than trustworthy source.
I don't agree that the explosives couldn't be triggered. If you look at the Soviet Radiomine of WWII, it listened to a broadcast radio station. You could do the same here on a circuit the size of a postage stamp.
Good job. Most of this information is absent in the public news sphere. In ten years or so, we’ll be watching spy movies on the subject. Hopefully not filled with too much fiction. Great production.
I have a V8 and U82. The interesting part when these original batteries were made from 2004-2014 they were not the type of lithium batteries as we have today. Even most then were still nicad. The spare space was for an expansion board
i think it's less about icom, or their process, and more about counterfeit production which has likely been modified from the original design... the appearance of outward expansion of the back of the case, into the battery compartment, is quite an interesting aspect. what's more surprising to me, is the fact they would have paid about 2x the price for those icom knockoffs, instead of getting some baofengs.
The Chinese are busy counterfeiting a lot of Japanese radios. These are not the usual Chinese-branded and marketed radios, but are actual counterfeit radios that are identical in appearance to Japanese brand radios. Often, as appears possible here, the radios are based on discontinued Japanese-brand radios.
Although it looks like the explosion happened behind the metal casing, the PCB has not been damaged, so I believe it was the battery that actually exploded. There is more room to fit items inside the battery pack than on the PCB, also much easier to do.
Well, said, Josh. And yes, those particular radios were specifically intercepted and targeted for 'customisation' en route to those specific users. Cheers!
Conversation went like this: Abdul: Say, Abul why does you wife keep paging you? Abul: I told her move back with her mother if she wants to. Abdul: That's your darn pager again. Shut the thing off. Abul: I should call her, but you're right. I'll just shut this thing....BOOM...awwffff. Abdul: Why are your balls on the ceiling? Abul? Abul? Are you ok? I guess not.
The accessory connector carries pre eq RX, nominally used for D-Star. I'd imagine that the most important design of an IED is it NOT exploding randomly, but only on command. Maybe a small micro was inserted and listening for a particular DMTF (or the like) tone.
There is absolutely no reason for this to involve the radio at all. Explosives placed in a counterfeit battery pack with the trigger receiver built in. The radio doesn't even need to be turned on.
It is not a battery modification because you can’t detonate them simultaneously with such coordination. I bet that the cloned and delivered versions the devices a long time ago.
On the speculation side of things. It is interesting on how these devices where triggered being pagers, radios and possibly other devices where used. It would seem maybe a self contained explosive and trigger device was possibly used and not a trigger from the pagers or radios themselves. That would be very complex with the different devices and infrastructure used to operate the pagers and radios. They all would not operate on the same frequencies. The geographical area was also spread apart. We may never know all the details unless one is found that has not been detonated.
Is it possible for a corporation to talk long range point to point within the company. As no one can hear, but the parties of the company. As transmitting from Nome, AK to Key West, FL. In the case of natural disaster (Hurricane, Tsunami, Fire, Solar Flare, Earthquake and/or Apocalypse).
Given it was all simultaneous, the trigger transmitter would have to be an aircraft. More likely is that a pager circuit was embedded in the knock off V82 with the explosives.
I have run across 'extended' batteries in larger housings which use the same number of cells as the original. Some manufacturers use a steel weigh in the sealed battery case to make up the difference in weight. I suspect that the majority of people who purchase these 'extended batteries are none the wiser. If I ran across a busted radio (for example) with a battery better than my own, I wouldn't hesitate to switch it out.
Battery chemistry is nearly explosive grade, and significant engineering goes into making them safe. If IDF had some experimental non-safe batteries or they could be sourced, the battery might BE the explosive component.
Josh, you just might be receiving a knock at the door having mentioned the explosive(s) content and mentioning you’ve ordered the particular radios too…”knock, knock…who’s here?”
Of course they could use a single transmitter they have satellites, drones and planes and the defense budget of a country. They could use any frequencies and TX power to do it.
It was likely a timer and they were likely supposed to go off at the same time as the pagers. I was thinking it was linked to the battery compartment to because who is really checking the MAH of the battery and if they think its not lasting long enough, they probably figured it would be unnoticed long enough to pperpetrate the attack. It is scary and i imagine we will see hightened attention on oversea products now
PETN isn't going to detonate from the "battery heating up"(too long a response time),it takes a real detonator like an exploding bridgewire (EBW)detonator to set it off. those could be made very small and the battery current used to fire them. but there will be extra wires from the receiving circuitry to the EBW/PETN charge. Israel had the shipment long enough to modify them,so a chip on the PCB could actually be the PETN charge and EBW ,3 grams of PETN isn't very large. the PETN was definitely triggered "on command",after receiving a coded signal from some Israeli source.
FYI; Leaked Hezbollah intelligence documents have been discovered regarding the damage from the pager explosions. - 879 Hezbollah Terrorists died. - 291 Senior Commanders died. - 509 Blinded. - 1,735 injured in “reproductive organs.” - 613 Permanent function damage. American Thinker 20Sep24 they had a pic of the actual Hezbo document.
Aliexpress has many cloned radios, some out of production for many years. The 8900 for instance from Yaesu. I've wondered if they are using a good "DiPlexer" as the 8900 is a quad band 10/6/2/uhf radio and the original Diplexer wa really great. I know some of the other quad bands have fairly poor diplexers, at least the cheaper Chinese versions. On Alie, the 8900 is around $500 so its possible its a well copied clone, perhaps Yaesu engineering was available to them via the old Chinese factory ? If Yaesu had China making it before it was discontinued ? I believe mine was made in Japan, I purchased it in 2004.
It is a bummer that handheld amateur radios have a bad image from this. You can imagine the knee jerk overreach to ban them and other handheld radios from airlines.
Absolutely. Our media is emphasizing the words "walkie talkies" as if talking about some ancient technology like audio cassettes. I can only imagine air travel becoming increasingly difficult if you have such a device with you.
@@AdamSWL exactly. There *shouldn’t* be a negative perception of handheld transceivers if you take the time and look at the facts. I worry how people who aren’t fully in the know can make uninformed decisions.
@@uploadJ #1 The average person doesn't have a clue what the difference is. #2 Many of the Chineseium radios aren't part 97 radios, but every ham and their mother has one.
Does anyone want to mention that the people or people's responsible for these blowing up could be guilty of war crimes specifically the indiscriminate targeting of civilians?
I believe the radios were a “knock-off” brand : I-Bomb. Perhaps they were ordered from Banggood. Anyhow, I’m fairly certain the battery packs had a warning label that stated the battery may explode under certain conditions.
The FCC is getting serious about operating outside of privileges.
Welp, we were told not to use encrypted coms....
typical ignorant government response panic and shut everything down. Lets get more information and then come up with a plan.
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@@mf3361 Almost. He got the quote wrong. It is actually: "What we've got here is... failure to communicate."
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@@mf3361 Some folks are just anal ;)
My understanding they’re going back to two cans and a string.
Regarding the comment about a VHF signal not having range to trigger the radios. It is possible that drones equipped with VHF xmitters flying at high altitude would have LOS to an enormous area.
Why would you assume they were set off by VHF? A government could use a variety of frequency's from very low to satellite stuff.
i doubt, plus they probably wanted to target those working inside buildings and tunnels, this woudn't work against combatants
but it could be what you described, but this makes it so that this attack didn't target the combatants and instead targetted civilians, so it's a terror attack.
i'd like to point something that alot of people are missing, Hezbollah is a political party in libanon and part of the governement, so there is hundereds of civilians working inside it, not only combatants like many media would want you to believe.
@@zazugeeHezbollah is a terrorist organization that has fired thousands of rockets into northern Israel just this year alone, in addition to dozens of other attacks against Israeli civilians, and their ultimate goal is the destruction of the Jewish state and all in it. If you willingly work with/for such an organization YOU bear responsibility for its goals and crimes as well, whether you claim to be a 'civilian' or not. The German people during WWII, who voted in and long supported Hitler and his Nazi thugs, learned this the hard way as well.
Mostly VHF TX 'distance' would be limited to power, I suspect that whoever triggered IEDs was not concerned about power limits. The important parameter would be receiver sensitivity couple with (say) DTMF selectivity...
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They can use KWs to triger the DTMF selcall (and connection to the explosive)
Never have the Mossad mod done to your radio. The spurious emissions can have a negative impact on your health.
*sad ham noises"
Yes, they sold Hezbollah "BAM" Radios!
Conversation when like this: Abdul: Say, Abul why does you wife keep paging you?
Abul: I told her move back with her mother if she wants to.
Abdul: That's your darn pager again. Shut the thing off.
Abul: I should call her, but you're right. I'll just shut this thing....BOOM...awwffff.
Abdul: Why are your balls on the ceiling? Abul? Abul? Are you ok? I guess not.
I am throwing out a wag here. Often ICOM shares chassis and parts between amateur and commercial radios, which may be the reason for the space under the battery, such as a scrambler unit or other device. I have a v8000 which for most part was marketed as a commercial radio in South America. There were two different scrambling units available for this radio with only swapping out a tone board and cutting a trace. So this may be the reason for the space.A dive into the history books may find a similar commercial model that makes use of this space for for such an accessory. Thanks for the info and be safe.
Thank you for buying genuine used samples and also counterfeit samples. I am very curious what differences you discover. Looking forward to that report!
A really BIG BOOMING ONE - *IF* you actually watched the video - or the news for that matter.
Icom says most likely these radios are Chinese knock-offs.
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Wouldn't you
Israeli knockoffs ...
@@electromech7335same thing…..
So did the video you didn't watch.
Has it been established if the handhelds were all in the on state when they exploded?
A radio controlled detonation seems far more likely than the use of a time delay, given the long undetermined shipping and distribution delay. A RTC could be programmed to trigger the units to explode on a predetermined date and time, but politically this would be problematic given the long delay between modification and explosion. With such a long time scale, the political situation might have changed. It is likely that the military involved would wish to retain complete control of the timing of the attack. iF a modified sealed battery was used, it would be standard practice to encapsulate the detonation control circuit, including the receiver, within the explosive compound, that way much of the evidence would be obliterated in the explosion.
I absolutely agree. Beyond that, the political ramifications of, say, an explosion on an airliner would be devastating. Far too many variables that could make the operation backfire.
Very informative Josh, Thank You.
ICOM IC-V82 is the cheapest way to do digital voice scrambling by install the UT-114 optional Modules. And it the first handy in the market that can use DSTAR by install UT-118 optional Module.
Icom has a new model coming out: The Mossad U8-IT
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Google is reporting a huge increase in searches involving the care and feeding of carrier pigeons in the Middle East.
Mossad is going to start buying and selling rice.
much more sincere and informative than all the filler the media are feeding us on the subject. Great content as always
Thank You for this Video, i would love to hear more on the subject, so many unanswered questions, thank you for your efforts 73's
Icom's marketing department is probably terrified.
@@supremetalentco Still has less impact than FT8.
@@pixeluser175 lol
Why
Why should Icom be terrified? We already know these were not stock radios exploding due to battery or radio defect. Icom did not add PTEN explosive into their devices. An intelligence agency specifically targeted a shipment of communications equipment ordered by a transnational terrorist organization. The intercepted shipments had sophisticated explosives with activation mechanism added to these devices. This type of explosive device is not floating around on Ebay or Aliexpress for general consumers to buy by accident. There is nothing for public to worry about.
Not really I got that they were Chinese knock offs. Now these jerks are going to have to pay to get an original.
They weren't ignited by a timer that is just rediculous, u wouldn't have control to set them off at the most desired time, besides, the pagers had to be immediately prematurely set off because someone had gotten suspicious. Range is not a problem with multiple synchronized transmission devices spread out in the area. They absolutely were set off remotely.
OF course remotely
Thank you for breaking this down in such an understandable way.
FWIW I had a IC-V82 with a D-Star board, so there's plenty of space inside the radio body. There was also a "scrambler board" that fit in the same place for use in public service bands (under a slightly different model number). Should be interesting to see what you actually receive from Ali Express.
The D-Star accessory was UT-118, and as you say there are multiple other boards that can be placed in/on the accessory header. IIRC there is a schematic in the service manual of the connector pin out.
Probably triggered by cellular towers. You would only need a postage stamp sized cellular receiver and tiny patch antenna in the battery pack.
Extra hardware to place and power. I'd suspect that trigger signal was in-band with pager/VHF signals...
I would guess they had a multicast or simulcast repeater system set up specifically for these radios all programmed the same and used by military or public safety. Probably sent out a DMTF or 2 tone sequence that activated a custom firmware feature to blow up C4 or something
@@charlie_nolan 3 grams of PETN. for reference,a #8 test blasting cap uses .046 grams of PETN. powerful stuff,and slightly easier to detonate than C4/RDX. also less detectable by sniffers or dogs.
Great info and investigation! Thanks!
Remember that weird halloween video you made where you were popping diodes and capacitors? Something similar was used in those bogus/tampered icoms as an electric blasting cap to ignite a charge placed in the voids, nooks, and crannies inside the radios. The ied shared the radios battery for power. As a (sick) bonus, all the metal, plastic, and silicon in the radio becomes shrapnel.
(I'm not a terrorist, the army trained me to use explosives.)
The few pictures we have look like the battery again was the carrier of the charge. For a detonation receiver there is plenty of power supply. Would be interesting to see if there were explosions of batteries just placed in chargers or even just laying around on the shelf.
@@uki352 Yup. Those old Icoms had a big NiMH battery (or a carrier for 6 AA's). If they were to pull those old batteries out and replace them with a smaller LiFePO4, there would probably not be any noticeable change of performance/power, AND it would free up space to squash a charge in there.
At one time, many years ago, one of the OFFICIAL Radios used by the IDF was the Icom IC-W2A. The MOSSAD was able to make several AMAZING Mods to that Radio, which, to this day, are not talked about.
This photo shows the top of the radio intact and the bottom of the radio gone. I agree with Josh. Sure looks like the battery area exploded. 4:12
Duh the had charges how you thing the explode.
Very interesting, and very timely. Thanks for all you do to keep the ham community updated!
One added comment, because of that situation, it is very likely for anyone traveling via airplanes or other commercial modes, will now be subjected to strict searches, for phones radios, etc.
Sadly, if we all have to give up our electronic devices if traveling via commercial mean, will be severely inconvenienced, because of it.
Looks like we all are going to have to go back to carpooling!
I can see a lot more mobile activations.😄
I think it would be pretty obvious under a typical airport scanner that something sketchy was up on the inside.
Most likely shipments intercepted by a certain agency/group and shaped charges installed (like play doh tape). Which will definitely ruin someones day. A high altitude drone can cover a wide area of frequencies in an area.
Not amateur radios. These are commercial radios likely the ones sold byTopsung, China and are clones of the ICOM model (also a commercial radio) which was discontinued ten years ago. The V82 is VHF and the U82 is UHF.
Very easy to figure out. The powder you mentioned was likely packed into the batteries, along with a 4G wireless chip. Locations could be tracked in real time over the cell network, and detonation commands sent to any radio at will, or to all of them at once. I have not heard whether batteries sitting in chargers exploded also, but I would suspect so since keeping them intact would allow the technology to be found and reverse engineered. Similar methods were likely utilized in the pagers, with the explosive charge and 4G chip being built into the pager itself (not the consumer-replaceable battery.)
Or they were all programmed to a specific repeater network and the detonation command was sent over that.
Interesting content, thanks Josh.
Thank you for covering this 😢
Josh, excellent report. My edumacated guess is that the modified batteries had enough smarts to know when the radio operator was in the kill zone.
Dozens of injured said that it peeped for 10 seconds having them pick up the pager to their face to read the message then they detonated, it was a secret code message that set it off. The people that side wounds might have ignored the beeps or just glanced and reshaped to their paints followed by a boom.
Keep us updated.Josh. Thanks for that 411.
Thanks Josh!
I listen to you and lea on Spotify! Took me a moment to realize it was you. New to radio, building a crystal radio and bought a cheap TDH3 to listen.
Great video, as always
I could think of a number of ways to accomplish this; but if one was building a battery based device, it would be trivial for a state actor to include a sort of one way modem into the battery casing itself that would receive a pre-programmed sequence through the radios speaker and trigger the device. It could have been sub audible, or not.
Back in the day RadioShack had a sort of pocket phone book that replayed DTMF signals into the phones headset. Flip the script, add some boom boom and bobs your uncle.
I believe they used a high-altitude aircraft to trigger the the radios.
"...bought used IC-V82 radios..."
Brave move.
my guess is the same, altered equipment, not out of the warehouse-brand new radio.
The same technology exists to do this in the US. 😮
Thanks for an objective and interesting report.
so will we have to worry about our Baofengs becoming Baobangs?
Or TYT becoming TNT?
Probably not, since this was very likely a targeted attack by a nation-state or entity with similar capability.
That said it might be worth wearing at least some basic protective gear and carefully examining any product you get from a less than trustworthy source.
Great analysis. I am interested in your further investigation.
on the schematics there is a pogo pad connector for the accessory compartment. it breaks out both power, but option I/O pins.
Great analysis thank you
Thanks, great video, you knowledge level is impressive, thanks.
Who said only Yaesu gets you a booming signal?
Distasteful.
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@creasteve_ so what... someone needed to say it...
@@creasteve_ Funny.
I don't agree that the explosives couldn't be triggered. If you look at the Soviet Radiomine of WWII, it listened to a broadcast radio station. You could do the same here on a circuit the size of a postage stamp.
I didn’t say they couldn’t be trigger. I said I believe they weren’t triggered off the radio itself. It was another system.
Good job. Most of this information is absent in the public news sphere. In ten years or so, we’ll be watching spy movies on the subject. Hopefully not filled with too much fiction. Great production.
Thank You .. Good info
“You shouldn’t be worried about your icom radio exploding” that is very Pollyanna of you.
The same can be done to us domestically by those who worship their own power.
Whew... ! Hot topic of the week ( Year) LOL. I work in electronics, so you can imagine all the techs at work are trying to figure out how it was done.
Israel now offering free wireless earbuds to all affected by this tragedy.
I have a V8 and U82. The interesting part when these original batteries were made from 2004-2014 they were not the type of lithium batteries as we have today. Even most then were still nicad. The spare space was for an expansion board
i think it's less about icom, or their process, and more about counterfeit production which has likely been modified from the original design...
the appearance of outward expansion of the back of the case, into the battery compartment, is quite an interesting aspect.
what's more surprising to me, is the fact they would have paid about 2x the price for those icom knockoffs, instead of getting some baofengs.
You should work for a news agency.
Clear, concise, professional, factual.
Keep up the excellent work
73 de 2E0HJN.
Wow, thanks
The Chinese are busy counterfeiting a lot of Japanese radios. These are not the usual Chinese-branded and marketed radios, but are actual counterfeit radios that are identical in appearance to Japanese brand radios. Often, as appears possible here, the radios are based on discontinued Japanese-brand radios.
Hey Josh, a friend of mine wanted me to tell you that “the Icom wether U or V 82 is capable of digital-D Star when the IU-188 board is installed “
Those radios are killer, people are dying to get their hands on them.
Although it looks like the explosion happened behind the metal casing, the PCB has not been damaged, so I believe it was the battery that actually exploded. There is more room to fit items inside the battery pack than on the PCB, also much easier to do.
Thanks!
Well, said, Josh. And yes, those particular radios were specifically intercepted and targeted for 'customisation' en route to those specific users. Cheers!
Conversation went like this: Abdul: Say, Abul why does you wife keep paging you?
Abul: I told her move back with her mother if she wants to.
Abdul: That's your darn pager again. Shut the thing off.
Abul: I should call her, but you're right. I'll just shut this thing....BOOM...awwffff.
Abdul: Why are your balls on the ceiling? Abul? Abul? Are you ok? I guess not.
Thanks.
I guess don't buy HT batteries from the middle east.
omg that "HOW FAR BACK DOES IT GO" meme had me rollin
The accessory connector carries pre eq RX, nominally used for D-Star. I'd imagine that the most important design of an IED is it NOT exploding randomly, but only on command. Maybe a small micro was inserted and listening for a particular DMTF (or the like) tone.
There is absolutely no reason for this to involve the radio at all. Explosives placed in a counterfeit battery pack with the trigger receiver built in. The radio doesn't even need to be turned on.
It is not a battery modification because you can’t detonate them simultaneously with such coordination. I bet that the cloned and delivered versions the devices a long time ago.
Does that make sense to you?
On the speculation side of things. It is interesting on how these devices where triggered being pagers, radios and possibly other devices where used. It would seem maybe a self contained explosive and trigger device was possibly used and not a trigger from the pagers or radios themselves. That would be very complex with the different devices and infrastructure used to operate the pagers and radios. They all would not operate on the same frequencies. The geographical area was also spread apart. We may never know all the details unless one is found that has not been detonated.
Gives credence to the 'Mission Impossible' strapline - "This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds"...
Is it possible for a corporation to talk long range point to point within the company. As no one can hear, but the parties of the company. As transmitting from Nome, AK to Key West, FL. In the case of natural disaster (Hurricane, Tsunami, Fire, Solar Flare, Earthquake and/or Apocalypse).
So you're saying the battery inside my 90's IC-706mkII is safe?
with current technology the reciever and deto could be a integrated microchip device completely separate from the radio
Given it was all simultaneous, the trigger transmitter would have to be an aircraft. More likely is that a pager circuit was embedded in the knock off V82 with the explosives.
Not sure about timers. You would want to be able to delay the attack if new circumstances arise.
I have always found that ICOM has given more bang for the buck.
This is all very interesting
Could have been triggered by signal from satellite or airborne transmitter or possibly low frequency.
How much you want to bet the airlines stop letting people bring radios on airplanes after this.
Everyone needs to stop saying this. 😅
I have run across 'extended' batteries in larger housings which use the same number of cells as the original. Some manufacturers use a steel weigh in the sealed battery case to make up the difference in weight. I suspect that the majority of people who purchase these 'extended batteries are none the wiser.
If I ran across a busted radio (for example) with a battery better than my own, I wouldn't hesitate to switch it out.
Battery chemistry is nearly explosive grade, and significant engineering goes into making them safe. If IDF had some experimental non-safe batteries or they could be sourced, the battery might BE the explosive component.
Yes the battery itself could also be weaponized.
Very interesting 👌
Josh, you just might be receiving a knock at the door having mentioned the explosive(s) content and mentioning you’ve ordered the particular radios too…”knock, knock…who’s here?”
Of course they could use a single transmitter they have satellites, drones and planes and the defense budget of a country. They could use any frequencies and TX power to do it.
Do you think it was a timed result vs a frequency trigger?
The GIR version of the ICOM.
Wow! Real "Investigative Journalism" from a guy that only does radio stuff. Well done.
It was likely a timer and they were likely supposed to go off at the same time as the pagers. I was thinking it was linked to the battery compartment to because who is really checking the MAH of the battery and if they think its not lasting long enough, they probably figured it would be unnoticed long enough to pperpetrate the attack. It is scary and i imagine we will see hightened attention on oversea products now
PETN isn't going to detonate from the "battery heating up"(too long a response time),it takes a real detonator like an exploding bridgewire (EBW)detonator to set it off. those could be made very small and the battery current used to fire them. but there will be extra wires from the receiving circuitry to the EBW/PETN charge. Israel had the shipment long enough to modify them,so a chip on the PCB could actually be the PETN charge and EBW ,3 grams of PETN isn't very large. the PETN was definitely triggered "on command",after receiving a coded signal from some Israeli source.
FYI; Leaked Hezbollah intelligence documents have been discovered regarding the damage from the pager explosions.
- 879 Hezbollah Terrorists died.
- 291 Senior Commanders died.
- 509 Blinded.
- 1,735 injured in “reproductive organs.”
- 613 Permanent function damage.
American Thinker 20Sep24 they had a pic of the actual Hezbo document.
And hams are actually throwing out their Icoms. Unbelievable. 😂
Who is?
Aliexpress has many cloned radios, some out of production for many years. The 8900 for instance from Yaesu. I've wondered if they are using a good "DiPlexer" as the 8900 is a quad band 10/6/2/uhf radio and the original Diplexer wa really great. I know some of the other quad bands have fairly poor diplexers, at least the cheaper Chinese versions. On Alie, the 8900 is around $500 so its possible its a well copied clone, perhaps Yaesu engineering was available to them via the old Chinese factory ? If Yaesu had China making it before it was discontinued ? I believe mine was made in Japan, I purchased it in 2004.
Wow man this sucks.. was it just pagers and handheld radios? I heard phones and solar systems as well?
probably it's booby trapped batteries
Gee, maybe the ATF could offer to go in and analyze the explosive residue?
I always thought the V82 was a bit of a bomb of a radio.
Were they licenced?
It is a bummer that handheld amateur radios have a bad image from this. You can imagine the knee jerk overreach to ban them and other handheld radios from airlines.
Absolutely.
Our media is emphasizing the words "walkie talkies" as if talking about some ancient technology like audio cassettes. I can only imagine air travel becoming increasingly difficult if you have such a device with you.
@@AdamSWL exactly. There *shouldn’t* be a negative perception of handheld transceivers if you take the time and look at the facts. I worry how people who aren’t fully in the know can make uninformed decisions.
The radios didn't explode. The explosives exploded. Explosives are already banned from airlines.
The V82 and U82 are NOT amateur radios. Did you guys really watch the video, or no?
@@uploadJ #1 The average person doesn't have a clue what the difference is. #2 Many of the Chineseium radios aren't part 97 radios, but every ham and their mother has one.
Does anyone want to mention that the people or people's responsible for these blowing up could be guilty of war crimes specifically the indiscriminate targeting of civilians?
Maybe they didn’t have the correct license and their version of the FCC is very strict .
Using a pre-built device for its RF circuit as a remote bomb is the most common type of IED
I believe the radios were a “knock-off” brand : I-Bomb. Perhaps they were ordered from Banggood. Anyhow, I’m fairly certain the battery packs had a warning label that stated the battery may explode under certain conditions.
I think people are extrapolating from information that isn’t there.