Hey this is one of my oldest videos but it's just popped off in the algorithm. I wasn't good at speaking to camera when I made this, so I articulated a few points poorly. I advocate starting everything you can from seed. The point of this video is for brand new Gardners, what are the few veggies that are worth splashing cash on for established plants. I.e. spending $50 on an advanced fruit tree to skip 3-5 years of growth and garuntee the variety you're getting. A lot of comments have assumed I'm somehow advocating for the human race to never grow anything from seed ever again. But that's just silly to think Feel free to keep commenting as it helps push the video to more people P.s. Avocados are vegetables (as well as fruit) I have a whole video on what defines a vegetable if you're interested 🥦🥑
These are really good tips: ▪︎ You explain why some plants should be purchased as potted plants because of the protracted years of growth that are needed before they can be harvested ▪︎ You are cutting down on the frustration gardners may experience because the plant simply isn't ready to be harvested in one year and that some plants will not produce the fruit the gardner is expecting unless done specific rules are followed When people garden, they look forward to the "final product," but some plants need to be planted in specific ways that will yield the expected final product.
One thing everybody gets wrong when talking about seedling trees is saying, "The fruit will be unedible." This is very rarely the case. The fruit is edible. you're just more likely not to enjoy the flavor or texture. I know it sounds like a small nit pick, but I'm so tired of people freaking out over wild or homegrown apples, paires, and avocados thinking they're poisonous. There's a difference between low quality fruit and inedible fruit. Also, avocados need a pollination partner.
True! This is why apple butter and cider got popular. Directly edible apples were a later innovation. The apples Johnny appleseed planted were most likely inedible.
True but many people don't even know that they won't get the same quality of the fruit as the one the seed came from. This can spare a lot of work and frustration.
I think inedible isn't the same as poisonous. It means what you described, that the things is hard to eat or doesn't taste good, not that you're gonna get sick if you do manage to eat it. At least that's my understanding of the terms, coming from the foraging side of things more than gardening.
Basically, Avocados and some other fruits are heterogeneous, so you never know what traits from the parent plants will be in the seed. You may get nasty icky fruit, something that's just sorta meh, or something really tasty. It's basically the luck of the draw.
You can absolutely grow citrus fruit from seed and they will definitely produce fruit, but the fruit will always be genetically different to the parent plant. What you end up with can vary widely depending on what the parent plants were.
@@lolcatz88 this dude doesn't have a clue what his talking about. the reason they are grafted is because in some cases the type of tree that produces fruit that is better to eat isn't as hardy as other types. so they graft it onto stronger root stock
@@lolcatz88 Sometimes they're close to the parent, sometimes the fruit sucks. Taste, size or amount could be all wrong and so on. I have seen plenty of youtubers plant avocados from seeds and claim that the fruit is really good. It's a risk but it can also work out just fine if you're doing it more for the decoration and getting a 90% (or whatever) chance on top of that of getting tens of kilograms of edible avocados is all a bonus. My parents have an apricot tree that sustained weather damage and the grafted part died. The rootstock pushed up a new stem and now ~5 years later there are apricots on the tree. They're sorta tiny and a little bit on the not-so-sweet and slightly-astringent side but they're perfectly fine for making jam. Even the hardier rootstock produced quite passable apricots. I'm sure the "noble" graft would have produced better apricots but meh, whatever if it's a single tree in a backyard.
@@lolcatz88 Not always. True Mandarin oranges (the species Citrus reticulata, but not hybrids sold as tangerines, Clementines, Sweeties, etc) produce ONLY genetically maternal fruits - the seed of any fruit on the tree produces only seedlings that are exactly like the mother tree (It's a characteristic of the reticulata species). The pollen of C. reticulata varieties (luckily) will pollinate other citrus species; produce hybrids. But I don't think it is possible (outside of a lab) to cross two C. reticulata varieties ( there are about three or four I know of).
I've grown dragon fruit, guava, grapefruit, mango etc. from seed. Sometimes you get good fruiting trees and sometimes you don't. No matter what the outcome, it's always enjoyable. If I ended up with a good fruiting tree, then it's a bonus.
If nobody started fruiting trees from seed, they would no longer discover the GOOD different varieties varieties that can improve the gene pool of a species and make it more resistant. Remember the banana disease that has sent growers scrambling to find resistent varieties that are also tasty. This could happen with any fruit varieties because there are millions of clones and grafts of only a few individual plants. I have started trees from seed and my only regret is that I may not live long enough to try all their fruits. I realize that space may be an issue when devoting a big chunk of a small garden to a tree that might never feed you but it is possible to get lucky too and the satisfaction and gratitude one feels is worth having had a few misses.
he's completely wrong about avocado too. They aren't true to seed, but 95% of them taste good when grown. Apples on the other hand have much worse chance because they have crab apples.
I agree. If you want to know what bananas used to taste like before they were completely wiped out then get artificial banana flavor. That's what they used to taste
@@arloalps6215 you can still buy those variety. They aren't completely gone. The fungus killing bananas is still all over we just need to mass produce more resistant varieties. We lost about 80% of Orange production in the last 10 years as well, so expect those to be gone in next 10 years.
@@gg-gn3re Apples grown from seed are still fine if you don't intend to eat them fresh (IE: if you're making cider, dehydrated fruit, or a conserve). I have 2 apple trees grown from seed.
@@Samu2010lolcats heck, a lot of them are perfectly acceptable fresh, as long as you're not expecting a Fuji or Gala or whatnot. But I've never met an apple that wasn't good for sauce, jelly, or apple butter.
he's completely wrong about avocado too. They aren't true to seed, but 95% of them taste good when grown. Apples on the other hand have much worse chance because they have crab apples.
@@nowannabeonthis8522 yes they're edible. he's full of it. The worst trees "from seed" are apples, which almost always produce "crab apples" which people consider "inedible" however you can still eat them even though they taste terrible and might give you a stomach ache lol
I also didn't understand the avocado one. When my family bought a house, we planted 2 avocado trees. It took a couple of years to grow, but now every year we get a lot of avocados. Not the best avocado you will eat, but definetely edible.
My sister in CA planted an avocado seed in-ground more than 10 years ago and the tree has been a proliferous producer of good-tasting avocados for so many yrs now. It must have been luck. I have two little avocado trees growing fr my old compost corner now and it's just fun to see them grow. I guess I will have to kill them soon bc I don't want to invest in anything with no guarantee of reward. PS. lol, I changed my mind. I am in the Sonoran Desert and it is a challenge to grow avocados here. I think I will let the little trees grow to see if they will make it to maturity. They are growing under the protection of a mesquite tree so I want to see how they can get acclimated and develop into mature trees.
@@Samu2010lolcats Thanks! :) I have easily grown plenty of avocado trees in Northern and Southern CA but it's a challenge here in the desert. You're right about the water bc they are tropical trees but it's also important to build a microclimate for it to flourish in the desert.
I'm glad you changed your mind. Obviously if you need that spot for something else. It makes sense to move them or take them out. But if you don't, why not just leave them and let them do their thing? You may just have a pleasant surprise someday. Live & let live, and all that...
If those avocados your sister have actually tastes good then they it can be a valuable plant to graft from. One problem with a single good strain is that in the event a disease occurs then not only that strain but the whole existence of that fruit can be lost forever. Don't be afraid to try, just be prepared that it can take a long time and it can result in a lot of failures, but when you have luck you bring the world forward a bit.
My grampa planted avocado from seed years ago and we still enjoy avocados from that same seed. Its edible, its just it takes years for it to fruit. Just start planting and youll enjoy the fruit of your labor❤
I got one beautiful avocado tree from seed. Then I found out that flowers male and female blooms at the different time of the day, so I polinated them manually. Then fruits came, very small though. But unfortunately this year it was very hot and the tree couldn't survive.
Always gets me about these naysayers who claim you won’t get edible fruit from a seed you start. Given you don’t know how close the fruit be to the parent tree but you might get a good surprise.
Actually a few of the popular varieties of Avocado were taken from trees started in peoples back yards in San Diego County. When the Panama Canal opened people taking cruises through the canal ate guacamole, fell in love with it and brought seeds home to plant out. Not only did that bring in a lot of genetic diversity for flavor, it also produced some trees that had more cold tolerance. Some crossed with seedlings of the Mexican types bringing in even more cold tolerance into the gene pool. Don’t be a Debbie Downer. There is nothing wrong with people enjoying the process of growing trees from seeds. If the fruit doesn’t turn out to be a winner you can always top work them with whatever varieties you want. I have a very productive Pinkerton Avocado that originated as a seedling in a Hass grove in Oxnard Ca. If your point is only that a Hass seed will give a tree with different genetics than its mother tree than yes you are correct.
he's completely wrong about avocado too. They aren't true to seed, but 95% of them taste good when grown. Apples on the other hand have much worse chance because they have crab apples.
@@gg-gn3re You make preserves (jam, jelly, applesauce) with the crabapples. warning: may require a lot of sugar, in which case take that too-sugary applesauce and use it as a substitute for water in making normal bread, you'll get a wonderful dessert out of it. source: neighbor's crabapple tree overhangs onto my lawn, permission from neighbors to eat what I want from "my side's branches", made applebread because I couldn't find a way to use up a whole big mason jar of applesauce before it went past recommended unsealed period, so applebread it was. Turned out to be one of the tastiest desserts I made.
When I was a kid in Orange Co, Ca,I threw 3 seeds from Florida in 1 hole and got 3 trees all different but very good. 1 bared fruit 9 inches long and averaged 3.5 pounds each. UC Riverside studied the tree and said it wouldn't be profitable as a commercial tree because you couldn't put enough in the box so shipping cost would be to high.
@@TheoRae8289 maybe youtube gardeners should be teaching people what to look for in citrus seeds then, instead of telling everyone it's impossible when it very much isnt
There's 2 types when faced with the same issue. "That will take years to make anything and you'll never know if it's good" A. " It's not worth it" B. " Then I've got no time to waste"
Im type b. I used to be type a. I have changed. I feel like the time is gonna pass either way. I can either still be wondering about the avocados and mango trees that could have been or I can plant them now and in 5-8 years when the time inevitably passes I'll either have good fruit or I won't. Either way I enjoy gardening and I have grafted trees that will produce good stuff. Either way the time is gonna pass. Will they or will they not they produce? Well, that is what it is.
It doesn't matter. A full grown tree with "bad" fruit can be grafted. In fact you can then graft several different scions and have even more variety. It is possible to graft cherry, plum and apricots onto the same tree and have a fruit salad tree.
I knew a lady who grew quite a few avocados from seed and seemed happy with the harvest. The result weren't Haas(sp?) but I think it is a safe assumption that people liked avocados for thousands of years before anyone ever heard of that brand. (Perhaps Mayans(??) did graft their favorite trees, I don't know.) She also grew from supermarket hybrid tomatoes. They also weren't true to type but in a few generations she had tomato plants that did grow true to type, her type, meaning she liked the taste and they were well suited to the local environment. I'll admit they were a little different as you almost had to crack them like eggs the skin was so thick and tough, but that is because she successfully selected for insect resistance in an area with severe insect problems. I don't have a major issue with hybrids or clones, but as far as I can tell "not true to type" doesn't mean a citrus tree that grows potatoes, they just won't have exactly the same taste and other characteristics as the mother plant. If you have time and room for a few duds, it is fun to see what you get. Just think how boring it would be if all your children were the same. Some are better slow roasted and others grilled on the barbie so family mealtime doesn't get repetitive. j/k.
He is lying that most avocado trees produced inedible fruit. I am from Jamaica, and 90% of avocado trees on the island are grown from seeds. All the avocados that i have eaten in Jamaica, are way more tastier than hass. So they may take a lot longer to give fruit, and you may not get hass from planting hass seeds, but you could plant other avocado seeds and get very good avocados.
Yes, it is almost certain that a tree will produce fruit that is different from the one that surrounded the seed. But there is a good chance that difference isn't worse. There is way to many people who are only interested in mass propagating a single variety, which is an oxymoron btw.
@@patrickkeller2193 Exactly. If you plant these random seeds, you can get random results. However a lime will still most likely be a lime for example and most likely it won't be all that different from the parent trees if the parent trees were both similar. And yes, sometimes you can hit the jackpot and get really good odd-ball varieties with new slightly unusual but pleasant flavor combinations. The avocados grown from a seed might no longer be optimized for commercial orchards or transport to the other side of the planet but they might be very good and tasty in your home kitchen!
@@iloveprivacy8167 Hass avacados are a hybrid, a cross between two true cultivars. It may be better tasting than either of its parents, but its offspring will have a huge, chaotic variety of traits, many of which will not be desirable. The people who made the hybrid simply clone it when they want more plants. The same is generally true for all modern hybrids, from citrus and apple trees, to tomatoes and pumpkins. If you want to reliably grow something from seed, make sure the seed is from a true line of cultivars.
I totally understand the thing with time but it is so fun to see the little tiny bits of leaves coming out of the seeds!!! They are just like babies!!! They are sooooo cute!!! 😍
i did. thumbnail lied about seeds not producing trees, he also lied about them not producing edible fruits most of the time. whats up with defending misinformation?
Speaking of strawberries 🍓 I found some growing up the back of my yard about 2-3 months ago, in winter, in the shade of a building, in a place where no one had ever grown anything and I've never grown strawberries on this property. I was raking the dead leaves off the ground and I saw something green and I thought to myself, 'that looks like strawberry leaves, but how are strawberries growing here?' I think a bird must have delivered them in it's poop! All ready to go with fertiliser! Thanks bird! 🐦 I transplanted them into a couple of pots, put some mulch around them and now they are flowering and I'm waiting to see what the fruit 🍓 does/tastes like. I have four plants in all and they are sending out runners. I love it when plants show up in my garden at random like this! ☺
This is one of those really fun and awesome mysteries that gardeners love. And even newbies can get into. I hope you come back and, if possible, share how it turned out. You may have discovered a new cultivar with more shade and cold tolerance than usual. Be sure to call some horticulturalists or master gardeners if it matures to let them know. They may want to take samples.
@@BlueJadeU Oh wow, I wish I'd seen your comment sooner. About two weeks ago I tried a couple of the fruits and they were so bland and small, the size of a small blueberry, that I pulled them out thinking they were no good 😟 I had no idea they could be something new. I just thought they were wild strawberries, not potentially something special. I feel sad now. I won't make this mistake again. Thank you for your advice anyway.
@@mel8008 you're good... I think what you found is a common lawn weed often referred to as wild strawberry that looks a lot like a strawberry, but actually isn't edible at all. The fruit are about the right color, but very small and round, with seeds that kind of stick off the fruit.
@@rickgale There are a couple very similar wild strawberries. The Virginia wild strawberry is apparently very sweet and tasty and was one of the plants used to create the hybrid garden strawberry (the other is a white berry called a sandberry that's native to California), but the other one that looks very similar is bland and almost flavorless.
Growing an avocado from seed is an adventure, an experiment in growing for so many and delightful when you have your own little tree in a pot. I have a 9 year old avocado seedling 15 ft tall , planted in the ground and is a beautiful shade tree that I really treasure. Fruit isn't the only goal for a tree.
My first asparagus is 15 years from seed just time and effort no money spent and now I have a free supply ❤❤❤ I've also bought seedlings from nursery all died except only just managed to get one to survive to 3 years as it's a purple variety I have learnt so much knowledge over years so I keep my asparagus from nursery potted up first few years then plant in garden once strong so it can be protected in summer and winter while smaller 😊 it's the satisfying feeling when you grow from seed so if you have patience you can definitely do asparagus from seeds
My mom accidentally planted asparaguses in the flowerbed next to the house, and I recognized what they were starting to look like at the top of the stalks and got her to keep them. They made a fantastic backing "hedge" and looked very pretty with the flower bushes at their feet, like some poor man's mini-bamboo. (some of the flowers were climbing and used them as a makeshift trellis, too, which was cute) And I got to have all the raw asparagus I wanted, I liked that they were like potato sticks. Between them and carrots I was all set for most of summer in snacking.
As an argument for growing thyme from seed, which might only apply to the few people who really enjoy "getting what they want" out of their garden: Even while I completely agree that you'll probably only end up with one plant, growing from seed initially will first give you the most viable plant out of the pack, and then second as you watch each grow over the next few weeks, you'll be able to see which are the strongest, fastest growers, see their growing pattern, whether more outward or more upright, etc. And then taking a small clipping from the best growers to smell, will help you choose the ones that might have the best aroma you're looking for. Now, if all you care about is just "having a product" and not "having the best of the best of products", then buy one already established. But I really like the aspect of picking out the best of a bunch when I'm growing from seed.
for strawberries, get a variety of everberrying plant (just one) and throw it in a large pot. it'll throw out runners that you can either individually pot or just firmly push into the soil in the pot and you'll end up with 10+ plants at the end of the season. its how i started a large strawberry patch.
I started two Avocado trees from seed. Both produced good fruit, but only one produces fruit reliably. That one is enough to take care of the avocado needs for not only my family, but also a family of (we think) opossums for for about 5 months out of every year. It took nearly ten years for the trees to produce fruit.
All solid advice, I'd like to add my 2c tho. Having grown up on a subsistence farm and still actively garden now. Almost 2/3rds of my crops are heritage seeds. As in, passed down from my Gparents, thru my parents, and now onto me. Some of the crops we have have drifted from original source, both good and bad ways. The key is to have many sources of seed banks, in our case our whole family. If i have a bad tasting garlic harvest, i send out notice and my brother sends seeds. We mix the blood so to say, to keep the genetics strong. Every year I eat my crops i love the idea that this exact same plant (tho grandchild of x amount of times) kept my gparents alive during the first great depression, my parents during the Regan years, and myself now. I intend to pass this down to my kids and hope to see these seeds feed my grandkids one day. Ofc each house seed bank has some changes in it too. I got alot of cool newer style tomato's and stuff that my brothers dont and vice versa. The original bank my gparents had was some odd 25 different plants. I got over 75 in my vault at this time.. i may or may not be a homesteading nut :p
@@christopherrenn8137 First, congratulations on saving heirloom seeds from your family. People like you are responsible for food and genetic resilience for the planets future. The trick with heirloom seeds is that they also evolve from domestication. Your ancestors had different conditions and tastes so they picked and chose what they thought was best. It is your choice now and what is important is that when you choose your next crops seeds you have to choose as many as you can to keep the seeds from inbreeding. Choose as many qualities from as many plants you can and this will broaden your gene bank even if they all came from the same original parents. Through micro organisms and by climate you will get mutations. Mutations are very important because they are the reason we can get new genes in a closed planet. Without them we would be inbreeding ourselves. If a plant shows signs of mutation and the mutation is positive add it to the pool. Don’t be afraid of new traits just continue growing and choosing what is best and make sure to choose from as many plants as possible to minimize inbreeding.
@@Ckawauchi35 The earth was a mess before and after Industriation (spelling?) of crop growing. It's we the people that need to take small steps to change the over all picture of how we live as a whole. :D Personally i would like to see libraries be charged with also indexing public access of seeds. That would be cool.
@@christopherrenn8137 That is a great idea! I think the functions of libraries should be expanded would do a lot of good for the communities around the libraries (not that they aren't already a great boon to their local communities).
I for the first time got a "Potato Tomato" (aka berry) and intend to plant the seeds. The most astonishing thing I learned while researching how to grow potatoes from seed is that they will not be the same as the plant they came from, which is a bit of a let down because it came from a fancy purple variety of waxy potato. But I am looking forward to seeing what grows from these seeds, if anything.
Do you mean a pomato? Because those can only be made via splicing. Seeds from the tomato will only make tomatoes (and if hybridized, may not grow true to its parent plant)
@@Drosenv so I just googled what a Pomato is. I'm absolutely not talking about one of those. I'm talking about an actual potato berry. Do not eat, it will delete you in a very unpleasant way. Not every plant will produce one so it's a bit of an occasion for the grower when one does appear. Out of my 40 potato plants I got only one berry. That should put into context the level of excitement for one.
potatoes actually do produce fruits. it's not some hybrid or anything, that's just how they grow. MANY plants make some sort of fruits to spread their seeds.
@@curlygurly2112 not to worry, I did my homework and am in the process of separating the seeds from the little berry. I'm just excited because this is the first time I have gotten a berry. Out of 40 plants I got 1 berry. Another thing that adds to my excitement over it is that this is the first garden bed that I had complete control over and the growth of a berry in my mind says that I have done it right. I've also gotten a decent crop so far. A few plants aren't done growing yet but they are close. I wish I could show you the garden I put together because it's something to see. Although you would need to have seen it before I got at it to appreciate the difference and understand why I'm so excited. It was a lot of work to restore the soil but it has paid off. Tomato plants that are larger than the label said they would grow, raspberries that stand nearly 10 feet tall, Acorn squash, Pumpkin, beans and peas, and all surrounded by Apple mint at the edges which apparently control some insects. Anyway, in my eyes it's a thing of beauty and I'm quite proud of myself because the hard work has paid off.
Thanks for the content. I agree with some, but not all. While it is true you don't know what you might get with citrus, you still get something decent most of the time. I planted some lemon seeds, and it doesn't grow the same fruit quite as pretty as the store (and it has a lot more seeds), it still is a useful lemon. I mostly don't agree on thyme. Yes, it is hard to grow (why?),. But unlike a hearty rosemary bush, the plants grow smaller and less hearty....and don't last as long. Also, you end up using a lot more of the thyme plant....which isn't great for the plant (so it's better to have more plants). BTW, how about the long day/short day onion problem? As a novice, I bought seeds before figuring out I lived in an area without enough sunlight.
I started an avocado seed knowing full well I'll harvest nothing from it, due to the climate I live in (as well as the fact I live in an apartment - really no space to grow a tree in :)). I'm just keeping it as a potted house plant. Also, I bought some cut rosemary sprigs for cooking some time ago. There were more than I needed so I put some of them in a glass of water, to see if some will take root. And one did, so I planted it in a pot and it seems to be doing well. Although it's gonna be a while before I feel comfortable harvesting any of it, it feels nice that I could do that.
You can grow a lime tree from lime seeds. It just takes 10years+ before the tree bears fruit. I found this out the hard way. 😅. Took 12 years but now my lime tree produces about 300 limes each year.
My mum grew a lemon tree from a seed that sprouted inside the fruit. She planted it and after about 8 years of no flowers or fruit from a decent sized tree she took an axe and leaned it against the tree trunk. Left it there overnight. That tree flowered soon after, had a couple of flowers that set fruit. The following year it was covered in flowers and it kept on fruiting from then on.......true real life account 🤍
@@WhytePip same, i plant a lemon from a seed i took from wedding bouquet. It has been 7 years, the tree are quite tall, the bridal already have two kids by now but my tree have not bloom 1 flower. Might go get an axe tomorrow.
I have green onions growing in my yard. The first couple years they didn’t do much. Now they are spreading like ground cover. I love it. They took over a part of the yard where we couldn’t get anything to grow and we don’t need to do anything. Thy just take care of themselves and we have fresh green onions all summer. We decided that when we move, we will dig up some of them and take them with us to the new house.
I started an avocado seed I removed from an avocado 20 something years ago. I've been eating the avocados for many years. The tree produces well and the fruit is good. Not sure why my experience is different from what you describe.
While hass avocado trees grown from seed won't produce avocados that are identical to hass, they will be very similar and will be edible. I grew a hass avocado tree from seed and it is very similar to hass, but the fruit has a little bigger pits, and it is not quite as good as a hass, but definitely edible, and if making guacamole can't even tell the difference between it and a hass.
Well I wonder what I have been feeding the family the last few years from my avocado ,haha ( trees sprouted from where I put household compost ) .The largest tree gave me ( and the neighbours ) about 200 last season .Currently I have about 5 trees happily producing from my old compost heaps .
I saved our garlic by growing it from "seed". The OG garlic was given to my mum back over 50 years ago brought home from Italy by my godmother. She raised the garlic for a few years and then life interrupted and she stopped. Eventually, when I started living back at the house I found the remaining spindly tiny garlic growing wild in several places. I harvested the biggest seed (bulbil) I could find and grew those for a year. They grew into a single bulb much like an onion without layers in the first year. Those single bulbs split in the second year into the cloves that we are used to finding in the stores. Through selective replanting of the biggest cloves each year we now grow nice market sized garlic bulbs that are quite pungent.
As someone with a lot of avocados on their own roots, only one produces fruits as disappointing as Haas, so I'm having to disagree on point 1; even if your tree doesn't produce good fruits (and the first couple of years of fruiting are not always indicative), you can always bud a better variety onto your established tree once you've found that out. But if you are short of space or time, and very committed to a particular variety (e.g. you like to cook your avo, so Haas is the most reliable), then I would agree that buying a grafted sapling is a quicker way to get a reliable product. Just not always so interesting. Rough lemon (Citrus x jambhiri) are a stable form and usually true to seed; you will also usually get a mandarin-type fruit from a mandarin seed, a cumquat from a cumquat, a lime from a lime, calamondin from calamondin, a pomelo-type from a pomelo, and so on. They will not usually be the exact cultivar (e.g. - you would probably get a navel orange, but not a caracara, from a caracara seed), but the last time someone got a truly inedible citrus cultivar from planting a seed, the grapefruit was invented (hybrid between Pomelo and sweet orange). Edit to add - additionally, mexican lime, citron and pomelo are at least occasionally grown from rooted cuttings; trifoliate orange and rough lemon are usually grown from seed, not grafted. Grafted trees will usually fruit sooner, though.
Thx for this. I accidentally started growing an avocado seed from some compost in my greenhouse. That was 2 years ago and it's continued to grow. I appreciate the info you shared here so now I know not to get my expectations on the resulting fruit too high (unless I win that avocado lottery!)
Came to say this about avocado seedlings. I have personally grown many to fruit and have never had a bad tasting fruit. Usually they have a larger seed but are sometimes tastier than comerical verities
My sister gave me a peach and an apricot tree she had planted from seeds, and though they took years to mature their fruit is delicious! Worth the wait!
I'm becoming more and more interested in growing a variety, if not at least a couple, of table veggies and citrus. This video was informative and easy to follow, thank you! 👌🙏
I’ve grown avocados from pits multiple times. It takes a crazy amount of patience (sometimes 3 months before you even know if it’s going to grow or if it’s dead). I can’t say it produces anything, but it makes an interesting houseplant.
Apparently you can use the leaves as seasoning, go check out mexican recipes involving it. Caveat: you gotta like anise flavors, that's apparently what they taste like.
You can grow onion from seed in one season, in fact, you want harvest it because next year it will just flower. You've never grown an onion and are giving bad advice about it. Don't do that.
The video has massive errors all through it and is very pedantic. Granted I am not the gardener of the family my wife is. I just do the heavy lifting. But even I can point out things he’s wrong about. We planted some apple seeds about 14 years ago. It was something for the kids to watch grow. They got to see those tiny seeds grow into trees that we now pick apple from. To sit there and say any seed from the grocery store can’t be planted is just wrong. We have done so with everything we eat. Even potatoes.
You can’t. Onion like garlic and the like switch year over year from bulb to actual onion. The first season will always be chives. The second season you’ll have the onion. The more you know.
Just got a load of Avacados that my mother in law grew the tree from seed. By far the best avocados we have ever had. We have grown many plants from seeds that you don't find in stores and they always have tasted better than store bought fruits and vegetables.
My parents have an avocado tree grown from a seed. It has been giving avocado's the last 2 years. The thing people don't know is, if it's grown from seed, it's not self pollinating, that's why often you don't see fruit, if there isn't another avocado tree nearby.
My dog planted an avocado seed (it's a long story) and it grew into a massive tree that produces tons of fruit that feeds us and the neighbors and our friends for several months each year. They taste fantastic. It is a crapshoot but if you want guaranteed success, just graft it. It's easy and a fun skill to learn.
In many climates an Avocado tree won't last the winter and it won't grow fruit for many years. BUT the leaves are very beneficial. Avocado leaves just so happen to be high in quercetin. These incredible leaves are full of minerals like immune-boosting zinc, bone-strengthening calcium, and magnesium and potassium. This helps promote a healthy heart by enhancing blood circulation, lowering blood pressure, and reducing hypertension. So now I grow it for the leaves alone as I have not seen Avocado Tea in the shops.
@@jevans1805 I think you just make a Tea from them. I must admit, I have a 1 meter tree growing but have not tried it yet. Not sure if you use the young leaves or old leaves or if it even matters.
@@Spyhook You'll figure it out when you try your tea, but from the general pattern older leaves have more of the flavor and young ones will have a milder flavor. But avocado *leaves apparently is a whole SEASONING! So even if your tea isn't to your taste (heh!) you can apparently make a whole subset of cuisine with it if cooking's your thing. Source: "Avocado Leaves: A Secret Mexican Ingredient", blogspot site "Flavors of the Sun".
My grandmother and myself have both grown full on avocado trees that have all become real trees with real full blown super tasty avocados better than from the store. You just have to start it with decent water, not chemical filled tap water.
Pandas right, avocados for example can be grown from seed, and the fruit will be edible, it's just that the odds of them being edible and the way people like them are low, but still, never zero...
@@WhiteJadeTiger98 And grafted root stock for hardiness doesn't affect the flavor of anything. Seeds come from the top of the plant. So you are getting the high flavor genetics. Just needs a proper climate and nematode control to make up for the lack of root graft. Note: F1 hybrids are a different matter. But the video never mentions them.
@@andypanda4756 True, dude talks like selective breeding hasn't been thought of by anyone, anywhere, or at any time ever. He literally admits after saying over and over again that if an avocado seed is germinated that the tree won't produce avocados, but that it will produce fruit, and that they just simply wouldn't be edible (Honestly, what's it gonna produce, choke cherries?...) as though he thinks avocados that aren't specifically how he's used to them being aren't even fruit let alone avocados... Then he admits that a germinated avocado seed has approximately a 1/10,000 chance of growing into a tree that would produce edible fruit that's of decent quality. My maternal aunt (maternal uncle's wife) actually grew two avocados trees from seed, both produced fruit, and the fruits of both trees were in fact edible... Another thing worth mentioning... If you were to take two avocado trees that produce high quality avocados, cross pollinate them, and grow out the seeds, then continue only breeding the best trees with the best trees, sibling to sibling each generation, eventually that 1/10,000 would become more like 1/1,000; 1/100; 1/10, until eventually everything will breed true.
We had a peach tree that grew from a pit from a publix peach we tossed into the bushes at our shop. It actually produced peaches that were super tasty. Just it was nothing like the store bought peach, it was much smaller (like size of a golf ball) and mostly stayed green with just a hint of color when it ribened, but it was sweet and tasted like peaches.
I have a large lemon tree right beside my window, and it is sweet like orange, I use some of the fruits to make syrup! I've also grown two avocado trees from the seeds that sprouted beautifully and gave nice fruits. They might not be that beautiful on the outside, have that sweet aftertaste, silky, buttery texture, big and plump size like the store-bought ones, but they in fact where tasty enough and helped a lot in saving, since almost any store-bought fruits are very expensive. There is also guava fruit, that is absolutely inedible when you buy on the store, but are quite sweet if harvested wild! Store guava are made so flies don't get to them, since flies do love guava a lot and wild guava are almost always infested with it. You need to know when to harvest them and leave them secure from flies to get ripe and sweet.
I planted 24 Hass avocado stones in 2014 and planted the three best ones in the garden in 2016. The first bore fruit in 2018 and last year had 80 good fruit. The one next to it has over 200 very large fruit on it this year. Large stones too, but as good as any commercial avocado. The third is biggest and has probably 50 fruit - the best tasting of the three. Each shows characteristics that reveal their likely parentage - Hass-Zutano, Hass-Fuerte and Hass-Bacon. It's a lottery, but we got lucky.
💯 agreed. Growing avocado from seed can grow nice and delicious fruit but the main reason people especially farmers dont grow them from seed is simple. Tree's usually take longer and grow much larger. The chances of having the same type,shape and variety is super slim too. Wait up to 3 to five years to get the fruit tree that is wanted is a big gamble.
@@surfninjafishing8297 it may be a downside to some but ive always loved the mystery, its definitely something you should know if you want to grow them though, its just that the video flat out lies.
@@DanBeech-ht7sw The misinformation is that you'll get inedible fruits from seed grown trees. Even if the tree is not 100% true to the store bought fruit it'll still be edible and delicious most of the time.
@@Samu2010lolcats he's perhaps used a bit of hyperbole in saying "inedible " In the same way, the vast majority of apples grown from seed are not of a quality you would compare with any commercial variety. That's the point he was trying to get across, and it's a pity people are being over literal and pedantic.
Great tips, I've no idea so why so many of your comments are negative. I'm no expert but everything in this video makes perfect sense! Happy gardening! 🙂😋
the reson they graft is because other type of citrus or avo are hardier. if you grow it from seed you will get the avocado. it just may not produce as many fruit. so from a industrial farm point of view its best to graft.
I'm with you on starting fruit trees from seed. It's obviously possible and more power to you if you've done it or you want to do it, but people should be aware the fruit won't be true to type, which store selling growing kits might not tell them. And for me, I've got a really busy job & gardening is a hobby and de-stressor, so saving some time/ increasing success rate are really important to me.
a lot of your video is wrong. Maybe do actual research before posting. but as many others have said their avocado trees were fine.. that is because 95% of avocado grown from seed taste fine. Apples are the ones with truly bad reputation for not being true to seed because you get crab apples.
I'm thinking someone doesn't know the difference between fruit and veg. Also, bought asparagus crowns are 1yr old, so the difference to sown seed ones is a year. You can buy a packet of 150 seeds for £$2.50, you couldn't buy one crown for that.
My wife’s family planted a pit from a store bought avocado. Split the seed in two. They now have 2 big avocado trees that have amazing, giant avocados that taste great. There’s also naturally occurring lemon and orange trees that grow wild in their neighborhood because it used to be a citrus grove a long time ago.
While I agree with most of these, growing citrus from seed is very common, just often used to create root stock. Many citrus will produce nearly true to type fruits if not cross polinated and who doesn't love to try a new variety.
On my patio, I have very large pots of coriander and basil that’ll come up from their seeds. I also have some potted mint. This year I found out that basil and mint can cross pollinate because some of my basil tasted horribly minty. Yes, I know they’re in the same family but didn’t expect they’d cross. Like I wouldn’t expect potatoes and tomatoes to cross pollinate. Although my mom has always said not to plant cucumbers next to melons cause it’ll make them cucumber flavored.
Artichoke, assume you mean globe, not root (Jerusalem) artichokes? I'm at 45°N, allow plants to seed after 3rd year, usually get 1-5 plants pop up as "weeds", choosing a couple to keep. Not reliable, no new seedlings this year, as far as I can see in the mini-jungle of my backyard.
@@davinasquirrel7672 Thanks! Since I saw your message I nipped outside, removed the remaining head. About 1/2 of the original 100s of seeds still left, plant itself is clearly dying. I'll try planting some seeds rather than hoping some land in a good place.
Berry bushes can be propagated by covering a low hanging branch in soil, or pressing it towards the soil for a while. Then it'll shoot roots in the soil and can be cut off the mother bush; transferred to where you want it. I did it with red and black currant, and it never failed.
Just because its not true to seed dosnt mean you cant grow it , every strain started from seed at some point the easiest method is start from seed and graft onto a mature tree and see the fruit it produces
About the onion - first year you have seed (from old onion), the second year you get arpajíc how it is called in Bulgarian and Romanian (pickling onion, in English)and on the third year you have new onion. You just have to learn the cycle of life of the particular vegetable sort. Also, depends on the year you can get onion from a seed.
No, its not "propaganda". avocados are like apples, they don't breed true. You'll get something, like apples grown from seed, it may or may not be enjoyable to eat.
My Auntie planted an Avocado seed after making a 7 layer dip on the 90s, when we got the tree removed 2 years ago because it became so massive, it had produced buckets and buckets over the years. My Moms friend would come take buckets to the Farmers market.
Total bs. About avocado. I have grown avocado from seed most of my life and the fruit has been better than most store bought avocados. Never tried Hass because it’s too small and I am in the tropics. We have better bigger avocados here. Have grown many varieties of citrus too. What he says about seeds from grafted trees and hybrids not growing the same fruit is true. The probability that they are inedible is not so high. I have never come across an inedible avocado.
Fifty years ago, my great-aunt started and grew two avocado trees. A few years after she planted them outside, we had very nice, perfectly edible avocados from those trees. She also started a grapefruit tree from seed and within a few years, we were giving away bags of grapefruit from that tree.
The title isn't about gardening, It's dont do this if you want fast and good veggies/fruits.. I let garlic/unions seed just plant so much you just harvest part and let some get mature, more seeds / beter seeds and strong veggies than if buy. The lemon is one most people dont dare from seed only with enough space to forget
I'm liking this without having watched it yet for the title alone. Props for doing a video on this, so many ppl grow avocado seeds thinking they'll have a tree that some day they can harvest avocados from.
Ahh! Ok, you mean the avocado seed will not produce true to type. I had my rant fingers ready to type.😊 I managed to grow a decent avocado that fruited well from a seed. Small but tasty fruit. I guess I won the plant lottery. All the rest, I agree with you 100% Nice video. Cheers! Oh, and subscribed.
The lottery meme is a joke, same for apples and to a large extent citrus. There is some truths buried in there but if only 1 in 10k were edible these plants would be extinct
Stop spreading misinformation, plenty of people have planted avocados from seed and have gotten perfectly delicious edible fruit. Now if you want to promote grafted varieties then sure there pros to that as well. But to say most avocados grown from seed is inedible is just wrong.
@@Xenofan20 Yes, but I don't believe his claim that only one in ten thousand seeds go on to produce edible fruit. It's either false, he has a totally different definition of edible than I do, or I have some extremely lucky friends and family.
Hmmm. Where I live you can find avocado trees on the street. Most of them grew by accident. In my corner I just observed one tree growing from the planted seed to a big tree in about 6 years. I managed to pick one fruit and it tasted like the ones I get in the market. I also was lucky enough to get one from another tree, quite old indeed, over 30 years old and 20 meters tall. The fruit was quite big too around 2 kilos. It tasted really fine... :) I do not know how many times I got avocado from trees on the street or wild, but they were all tasty although they were not this brown one for guacamole. :)
I had the exact opposite problem at the house I just moved out of. The old avocado tree my mother grew from seed tasted good but the seed was huge and the avocado small so not that much actual meat to it.
I love planting garlic. So much nicer to have garlic without all those brown spots. I normally go with purchasing garlic seed (cloves) but I will try next year to use my current crop if I can get my bulbs to be nice and full. I think I have just been having problems due to the soil but have been adding manure and other organics to the soil to enrich it.
I have grown avocado trees from seed and I whish I could show you how HUGE they are and delicious. In Puerto Rico we grow giant avocados, just last year I grew one that was bigger than a 2 litter of a coca-cola bottle. I have pictures to prove it but unfortunately I can't post them here.
Avocado/Lemon/Fruiting Trees = Fruit Garlic/Onion = Veggie Strawberry = Berry/Fruit Thyme = Herb Asparagus = Veggie Artichoke = Veggie Your title's a bit misleading... =\ Maybe stick to a neutral term such as "Plants"?? Good info despite that though 👍
Yeah you're totally right! It's one of the things that annoys me with my content the most is in the titles i have to call everything "vegetables". Because UA-cam knows who to serve "vegetable gardening" content to, but not fruit, herb, & berry gardening. Unfortunately "vegetable/veggie" is the best catch all term we have (without making the titles too long). And i don't say "plants" because I only focus on things you can eat. Also did you know there is no scientific definition for the word "vegetable"? "Vegetable" is actually a culinary term that just means edible plant! So in a round about way the title is still correct... and yes this factoid is actually the secret origin behind the channel name :)
I find it ironic that you complain about the terminology used, while at the same time offering some unubiquitous terms yourself. strawberries are fruits, that's it. They're not even real berries, but that doesn't matter as they're fruit. Also how does one even define herb vs vegetable? it's almost the same! My point is that it really doesn't matter as long as it's understood, and when you're being pedantic, you might as well put things forth properly.
I grew up in Key West, and I have grown an avocado from seed to a tree that produced edible fruit. I also grew "Key Lime" from seed to fruiting tree. . . Granted the seeds came from wild varieties that were already growing and fruiting down there, so I understand there is a difference.
He never said that. He literally says they bulb after the first year. I think where you're getting confused is he's swapping back and forth between onion and garlic. And you do harvest garlic in its "2nd" lifecycle year.
@@lksf9820 Yes, I know that. That still represents the 1st year of the onions life cycle as they don't go dormant during the winter. They bulb the 1st year in the spring. If left in the ground they go dormant late summer and then regrow in the fall and bloom the following spring.
I think what he meant to say for most of these but only really said about one thing, is a lot of produce we buy in the store is a hybrid variety that when you plant the seeds will not produce the same variety. Hybrids are usually made by crossing 2 plants (not grafting) and kind of like a mule, they can't make another by breeding two mulls, they have to breed a horse and a donkey again. If you plant seeds from a hybrid fruit, you will get one of the parent plants instead of the original (horse or a donkey, no mull). When he talks about grafting, that doesn't mean that the plant you grow from that seed won't grow or produce fruit, but the original tree is often grafted onto something that has a better chance of surviving your climate, etc. Your new plant from seed won't have that same protection and may not make it in the same climate.
Put a paper towel under slightly warm water. Open the paper towel up, place on plate. Add the strawberry seeds with space to grow. Fold towel over itself. Keep moist. When it germs use clean tweezers to pick them up (GENTLY!) place in clay terrace pot. Be careful. After the last freeze and it's around 60f out place pot on garden bed. The plant will grow out and spread into bed. My mom was a master gardener. We did this every year and had literally thousands of strawberries... Well as long as I didn't eat them... Bed was about 4.5'×20'. it was soil, dead leaf, sticks, broken clay pots, and it was a raised bed with weed stop placed on grass and garden timbers. In the winter we placed weed stop black then about an inch gap with plastic. The next year they should come back but didn't always. Super easy as long as you can be extremely clean with the germination steps....
we got a small pot of strawberry kit, which ended up to be wild strawberry and no issue to grow it in the same pot. Within half a year we had a couple of berris on it, but pot were really small, so you can grow them from seeds and harvest in the same year in small quantities.
We used to grow avocado seeds on the window sill. Every year we would plant one. After several years, we had trees that produced avocados that were good to eat.
When you said and everyone knows you can't grow citrus from seeds I was like... ??? 😅 I am currently growing two lemon trees from seeds! Do you recommend grafting or propagating? I also have a meyer lemon that I got from bunnings that I could take a cutting from and put in the ground. Where do you get a root stock from or can I use the little lemon tree I grew from seed and graft onto it?
@@MaddieLullaby I'm so glad my video actually helped someone! In Australia the citrus rootstock we use is called Flying Dragon... And you can't really buy it from anywhere. They're also notoriously fiddley to germinate. Once I find a place to buy them cheap I'm going to make & give away so many citrus trees though 🍋 I'm really sorry but those citrus you've started from seed are pretty much useless in terms of getting fruit from them 😞 You ~can~ graft onto them but you'll have lots of issues with them once growing. It won't be worth it Unlike herbs you can't take a cutting from the meyer lemon and have it sprout root, you'll run into issues with how the tree grows, you'd need to graft that cutting onto a Flying Dragon rootstock... So for citrus you're better off just buying nursery stock. For citrus in particular I advise going to a local nursery and buying advanced (already fruiting) stock. The price difference is about $50, but it saves you about 3 years compared to the tiny ones you get from Bunnings. (And advanced stock form Bunnings is criminally expensive)
@@CulinaryGarden1 what kind of issues you would have when using a citrus tree grown from seeds if you graft onto them? Are they weaker? I thought when using a graft from a fruiting tree I should have no problem… 😐
@@CulinaryGarden1 Thanks so much for taking the time to respond with so much info! Damnnnn that sucks but it’s better I know now 😅 I blame those viral tiktok videos on growing lemon seeds! That’s right Bunnings is a bit expensive so I wanted a cheaper option but I’ll look into my local nurseries. I’ve recently gotten into gardening and your videos have been super helpful! Gardening has been a great way to occupy my time outside with my toddler haha. Thanks to you I have a bucket filled with weeds and water for some fertiliser ready to go 😂 and I’m going to be following along with the garden project! Looking forward to your future vids!!
We had a 12 meters avocado tree in my old house garden producing hundreds of avocados yearly. I can't tell what variety was the seed my dad planted, but avocados are the soft green skin variety, their taste is not good for salads, tostadas or anything sliced, but is completely fine for guacamole, mixing with chopped tomato, onion, green chili, salt and pepper, great with beefsteak and tacos.
I planted an avocado from seed 37 years ago. It indeed took 10+ years to start fruiting, but for the past ~25 years, it has produced the creamiest, nuttiest avocados I've ever had. This was a random avocado from Lucky's.
I have a volunteer avocado tree that grew out of our compost pile. It is 5 meters tall and it makes perfect fruit. You need to fertilize it if you want it to produet well.
Very true about the citrus trees. I have several, but they come inside in the winter because it’s so cold here. But they often fruit in the wintertime too
One day I found some asparagus growing next to a tree across the street from my home. It was the first time I got to see the grown spears in person as they grew and branched out.
My best friend and I planted a small patch next to his door about 10 years ago. It's been fun watching how it grows and spreads. And since year 3 we've been steadily increasing harvest from just a couple meals to enough to try canning and freezing for the off-months and share with family and friends.
Contrary to what you allege, I have a field of Florida avocado trees, all from seeds. I dont like non-native Haas avocados. You do NOT have to graft, but if you do, you will get fruit within a year, as opposed to up to 4 years.
We threw an Avocado pit out in the yard in a spot we wouldn't mow or be upset if a tree did grow. The tree is 3 years old now is 20' tall and has produced around 14 avocados. Not a lot of produce also the pits in the fruit are huge and the skin of the avocado turns red when its ripe. All in all not bad for a volunteer start that's not been fertilized and only received minimal pruning. Hoping as the tree matures and if we top it properly we'll get more harvest in the future. Also, in Hawaii, it's almost harder to get things to not grow than to encourage growth.
Very interesting detail about avocado seeds, although I don’t agree with your blanket statement about lemons. I came across a bush lemon tree happily growing in the bush. I picked a bag of lumpy lemons from within the thorny branches and the lemons were great. I planted some seeds and kept two of the trees. They are now 12 years old, thorny as hell but grow great lemons. No grafting required although these would probably make great root stock for the non thorny variety. I thought the thorns would deter the cockatoos eating the lemons but they can get through them. In a strange twist they only eat the seeds 🤠
Hey this is one of my oldest videos but it's just popped off in the algorithm. I wasn't good at speaking to camera when I made this, so I articulated a few points poorly.
I advocate starting everything you can from seed. The point of this video is for brand new Gardners, what are the few veggies that are worth splashing cash on for established plants. I.e. spending $50 on an advanced fruit tree to skip 3-5 years of growth and garuntee the variety you're getting.
A lot of comments have assumed I'm somehow advocating for the human race to never grow anything from seed ever again. But that's just silly to think
Feel free to keep commenting as it helps push the video to more people
P.s. Avocados are vegetables (as well as fruit) I have a whole video on what defines a vegetable if you're interested 🥦🥑
Weird question, why did my avocado seed grow into a vine? I'm talking about a 7 foot long/tall vine. Never had one do that before. Very strange.
What about cactus, can cactus grow from their own seeds?
These are really good tips:
▪︎ You explain why some plants should be purchased as potted plants because of the protracted years of growth that are needed before they can be harvested
▪︎ You are cutting down on the frustration gardners may experience because the plant simply isn't ready to be harvested in one year and that some plants will not produce the fruit the gardner is expecting unless done specific rules are followed
When people garden, they look forward to the "final product," but some plants need to be planted in specific ways that will yield the expected final product.
Chance Grow for fun, not for-profit.
It's also vital for maintaining genetic diversity and by extension food security
Don't worry, its a fine video
One thing everybody gets wrong when talking about seedling trees is saying, "The fruit will be unedible." This is very rarely the case. The fruit is edible. you're just more likely not to enjoy the flavor or texture. I know it sounds like a small nit pick, but I'm so tired of people freaking out over wild or homegrown apples, paires, and avocados thinking they're poisonous. There's a difference between low quality fruit and inedible fruit.
Also, avocados need a pollination partner.
True! This is why apple butter and cider got popular. Directly edible apples were a later innovation. The apples Johnny appleseed planted were most likely inedible.
True but many people don't even know that they won't get the same quality of the fruit as the one the seed came from. This can spare a lot of work and frustration.
you could say it's the difference between a natural and selectively bred fruits
Avocados need a week or two off the tree to soften prior to being edible.
I think inedible isn't the same as poisonous. It means what you described, that the things is hard to eat or doesn't taste good, not that you're gonna get sick if you do manage to eat it. At least that's my understanding of the terms, coming from the foraging side of things more than gardening.
My mother has grown an avocado from seed at nearly every place she has lived and they always produce delicious avocados. Mango trees, as well.
Me too, with an avocado tree - maybe we are lucky.
Basically, Avocados and some other fruits are heterogeneous, so you never know what traits from the parent plants will be in the seed. You may get nasty icky fruit, something that's just sorta meh, or something really tasty. It's basically the luck of the draw.
Maybe she had from the first tree on an avocado that came not from an hybrid-Tree for supermarket-Avocados.
Good to hear. Just got my first mango going and it’s about 6 months old and a foot tall.
False, no avocado are tasty
I started lemon seeds during Covid and 4 years later I am harvesting large juicy lemons A LOT OF THEM!
You can absolutely grow citrus fruit from seed and they will definitely produce fruit, but the fruit will always be genetically different to the parent plant. What you end up with can vary widely depending on what the parent plants were.
@@lolcatz88 this dude doesn't have a clue what his talking about. the reason they are grafted is because in some cases the type of tree that produces fruit that is better to eat isn't as hardy as other types. so they graft it onto stronger root stock
@@lolcatz88 Sometimes they're close to the parent, sometimes the fruit sucks. Taste, size or amount could be all wrong and so on. I have seen plenty of youtubers plant avocados from seeds and claim that the fruit is really good. It's a risk but it can also work out just fine if you're doing it more for the decoration and getting a 90% (or whatever) chance on top of that of getting tens of kilograms of edible avocados is all a bonus. My parents have an apricot tree that sustained weather damage and the grafted part died. The rootstock pushed up a new stem and now ~5 years later there are apricots on the tree. They're sorta tiny and a little bit on the not-so-sweet and slightly-astringent side but they're perfectly fine for making jam. Even the hardier rootstock produced quite passable apricots. I'm sure the "noble" graft would have produced better apricots but meh, whatever if it's a single tree in a backyard.
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Not always. True Mandarin oranges (the species Citrus reticulata, but not hybrids sold as tangerines, Clementines, Sweeties, etc) produce ONLY genetically maternal fruits - the seed of any fruit on the tree produces only seedlings that are exactly like the mother tree (It's a characteristic of the reticulata species). The pollen of C. reticulata varieties (luckily) will pollinate other citrus species; produce hybrids. But I don't think it is possible (outside of a lab) to cross two C. reticulata varieties ( there are about three or four I know of).
I had a seed lemon tree and unlike the parent fruit, the lemons were inedible, so YMMV.
I've grown dragon fruit, guava, grapefruit, mango etc. from seed. Sometimes you get good fruiting trees and sometimes you don't. No matter what the outcome, it's always enjoyable. If I ended up with a good fruiting tree, then it's a bonus.
And either way you still get a tree!
@@kinzieconrad105 I think that's the way to look at it, k.
the non yummy tree can/will be a pollination partner, so not a complete loss :D
A rough general... trees must be propogated if you want edible fruit.
@@mikep490 no, its not a must. you can grow edible fruit, its just guranteed like it is with grafting.
If nobody started fruiting trees from seed, they would no longer discover the GOOD different varieties varieties that can improve the gene pool of a species and make it more resistant. Remember the banana disease that has sent growers scrambling to find resistent varieties that are also tasty. This could happen with any fruit varieties because there are millions of clones and grafts of only a few individual plants. I have started trees from seed and my only regret is that I may not live long enough to try all their fruits. I realize that space may be an issue when devoting a big chunk of a small garden to a tree that might never feed you but it is possible to get lucky too and the satisfaction and gratitude one feels is worth having had a few misses.
he's completely wrong about avocado too. They aren't true to seed, but
95% of them taste good when grown. Apples on the other hand have much
worse chance because they have crab apples.
I agree. If you want to know what bananas used to taste like before they were completely wiped out then get artificial banana flavor. That's what they used to taste
@@arloalps6215 you can still buy those variety. They aren't completely gone. The fungus killing bananas is still all over we just need to mass produce more resistant varieties.
We lost about 80% of Orange production in the last 10 years as well, so expect those to be gone in next 10 years.
@@gg-gn3re Apples grown from seed are still fine if you don't intend to eat them fresh (IE: if you're making cider, dehydrated fruit, or a conserve). I have 2 apple trees grown from seed.
@@Samu2010lolcats heck, a lot of them are perfectly acceptable fresh, as long as you're not expecting a Fuji or Gala or whatnot.
But I've never met an apple that wasn't good for sauce, jelly, or apple butter.
I have grown avocado from seed and it fruit like crazy, I have grown orange and lime from seed and the fruit perfectly.
he's completely wrong about avocado too. They aren't true to seed, but 95% of them taste good when grown. Apples on the other hand have much worse chance because they have crab apples.
It is edible? Cause he is saying it's inedible. Which I find hard to believe.
@@nowannabeonthis8522 yes they're edible. he's full of it.
The worst trees "from seed" are apples, which almost always produce "crab apples" which people consider "inedible" however you can still eat them even though they taste terrible and might give you a stomach ache lol
@@gg-gn3reyou can make a lovely jelly from crab apples that goes very well with pork or cheese.
I also didn't understand the avocado one. When my family bought a house, we planted 2 avocado trees. It took a couple of years to grow, but now every year we get a lot of avocados. Not the best avocado you will eat, but definetely edible.
My sister in CA planted an avocado seed in-ground more than 10 years ago and the tree has been a proliferous producer of good-tasting avocados for so many yrs now. It must have been luck. I have two little avocado trees growing fr my old compost corner now and it's just fun to see them grow. I guess I will have to kill them soon bc I don't want to invest in anything with no guarantee of reward.
PS. lol, I changed my mind. I am in the Sonoran Desert and it is a challenge to grow avocados here. I think I will let the little trees grow to see if they will make it to maturity. They are growing under the protection of a mesquite tree so I want to see how they can get acclimated and develop into mature trees.
Avocado trees need a lot of water, that might be why yours struggle where you live.
@@Samu2010lolcats Thanks! :) I have easily grown plenty of avocado trees in Northern and Southern CA but it's a challenge here in the desert. You're right about the water bc they are tropical trees but it's also important to build a microclimate for it to flourish in the desert.
I'm glad you changed your mind. Obviously if you need that spot for something else. It makes sense to move them or take them out. But if you don't, why not just leave them and let them do their thing? You may just have a pleasant surprise someday.
Live & let live, and all that...
Save the trees bro
If those avocados your sister have actually tastes good then they it can be a valuable plant to graft from.
One problem with a single good strain is that in the event a disease occurs then not only that strain but the whole existence of that fruit can be lost forever.
Don't be afraid to try, just be prepared that it can take a long time and it can result in a lot of failures, but when you have luck you bring the world forward a bit.
My grampa planted avocado from seed years ago and we still enjoy avocados from that same seed. Its edible, its just it takes years for it to fruit.
Just start planting and youll enjoy the fruit of your labor❤
Same story with my sister's avocado tree fr seed.
I got one beautiful avocado tree from seed. Then I found out that flowers male and female blooms at the different time of the day, so I polinated them manually. Then fruits came, very small though. But unfortunately this year it was very hot and the tree couldn't survive.
Always gets me about these naysayers who claim you won’t get edible fruit from a seed you start. Given you don’t know how close the fruit be to the parent tree but you might get a good surprise.
Yeah this 1 in 10 thousand are edible is a total myth
Agreed, i’ve seen many people grow avocados from seed and every single one of them made delicious, totally normal avocados
Actually a few of the popular varieties of Avocado were taken from trees started in peoples back yards in San Diego County. When the Panama Canal opened people taking cruises through the canal ate guacamole, fell in love with it and brought seeds home to plant out. Not only did that bring in a lot of genetic diversity for flavor, it also produced some trees that had more cold tolerance. Some crossed with seedlings of the Mexican types bringing in even more cold tolerance into the gene pool. Don’t be a Debbie Downer. There is nothing wrong with people enjoying the process of growing trees from seeds. If the fruit doesn’t turn out to be a winner you can always top work them with whatever varieties you want. I have a very productive Pinkerton Avocado that originated as a seedling in a Hass grove in Oxnard Ca. If your point is only that a Hass seed will give a tree with different genetics than its mother tree than yes you are correct.
Our neighbor gives us 5 kilograms of avocado every year. They are the avocados thathave perfect flesh, no veins inside and stays green even when ripe.
he's completely wrong about avocado too. They aren't true to seed, but
95% of them taste good when grown. Apples on the other hand have much
worse chance because they have crab apples.
@@gg-gn3re You make preserves (jam, jelly, applesauce) with the crabapples.
warning: may require a lot of sugar, in which case take that too-sugary applesauce and use it as a substitute for water in making normal bread, you'll get a wonderful dessert out of it.
source: neighbor's crabapple tree overhangs onto my lawn, permission from neighbors to eat what I want from "my side's branches", made applebread because I couldn't find a way to use up a whole big mason jar of applesauce before it went past recommended unsealed period, so applebread it was. Turned out to be one of the tastiest desserts I made.
@@neoqwerty this is common knowledge, don't need a source
When I was a kid in Orange Co, Ca,I threw 3 seeds from Florida in 1 hole and got 3 trees all different but very good. 1 bared fruit 9 inches long and averaged 3.5 pounds each. UC Riverside studied the tree and said it wouldn't be profitable as a commercial tree because you couldn't put enough in the box so shipping cost would be to high.
I live in the Caribbean and we have grown our avocado from seed. Also citrus can grow true to type from seed you just have to know what to look for
True, the lime tree in my yard is from a seed I got from the lime of a previous tree I had. The kinep and pomegranate I have also came from seeds.
@@JerusalemUzziahIndeed.
the vast majority of people aren't going to know what to look for.
I believe we just got to grow it and see what comes. It may not have good fruit but you can graft to it or if bees love the flowers just leave it
@@TheoRae8289 maybe youtube gardeners should be teaching people what to look for in citrus seeds then, instead of telling everyone it's impossible when it very much isnt
There's 2 types when faced with the same issue.
"That will take years to make anything and you'll never know if it's good"
A. " It's not worth it"
B. " Then I've got no time to waste"
Also planting many seeds just to be safe
Yeah, I've got enough property that I can be safe playing around for a few years. Eventually I'll get a few good ones!
Chaos gardening is pretty fun.
Im type b. I used to be type a. I have changed. I feel like the time is gonna pass either way. I can either still be wondering about the avocados and mango trees that could have been or I can plant them now and in 5-8 years when the time inevitably passes I'll either have good fruit or I won't. Either way I enjoy gardening and I have grafted trees that will produce good stuff. Either way the time is gonna pass. Will they or will they not they produce? Well, that is what it is.
type C: "good thing my lease bans anything more than a flower pot because that saved me the stress"
It doesn't matter. A full grown tree with "bad" fruit can be grafted. In fact you can then graft several different scions and have even more variety. It is possible to graft cherry, plum and apricots onto the same tree and have a fruit salad tree.
I knew a lady who grew quite a few avocados from seed and seemed happy with the harvest. The result weren't Haas(sp?) but I think it is a safe assumption that people liked avocados for thousands of years before anyone ever heard of that brand. (Perhaps Mayans(??) did graft their favorite trees, I don't know.) She also grew from supermarket hybrid tomatoes. They also weren't true to type but in a few generations she had tomato plants that did grow true to type, her type, meaning she liked the taste and they were well suited to the local environment. I'll admit they were a little different as you almost had to crack them like eggs the skin was so thick and tough, but that is because she successfully selected for insect resistance in an area with severe insect problems. I don't have a major issue with hybrids or clones, but as far as I can tell "not true to type" doesn't mean a citrus tree that grows potatoes, they just won't have exactly the same taste and other characteristics as the mother plant. If you have time and room for a few duds, it is fun to see what you get. Just think how boring it would be if all your children were the same. Some are better slow roasted and others grilled on the barbie so family mealtime doesn't get repetitive. j/k.
He is lying that most avocado trees produced inedible fruit.
I am from Jamaica, and 90% of avocado trees on the island are grown from seeds. All the avocados that i have eaten in Jamaica, are way more tastier than hass.
So they may take a lot longer to give fruit, and you may not get hass from planting hass seeds, but you could plant other avocado seeds and get very good avocados.
Yes, it is almost certain that a tree will produce fruit that is different from the one that surrounded the seed. But there is a good chance that difference isn't worse.
There is way to many people who are only interested in mass propagating a single variety, which is an oxymoron btw.
Lots of videos here on UA-cam reviewing the fruit from avocado trees grown from seed. Now *that's* dedication to killing a myth!
Any chance Hass seeds are particularly un-suited to grow from seed?
@@patrickkeller2193 Exactly. If you plant these random seeds, you can get random results. However a lime will still most likely be a lime for example and most likely it won't be all that different from the parent trees if the parent trees were both similar. And yes, sometimes you can hit the jackpot and get really good odd-ball varieties with new slightly unusual but pleasant flavor combinations. The avocados grown from a seed might no longer be optimized for commercial orchards or transport to the other side of the planet but they might be very good and tasty in your home kitchen!
@@iloveprivacy8167 Hass avacados are a hybrid, a cross between two true cultivars. It may be better tasting than either of its parents, but its offspring will have a huge, chaotic variety of traits, many of which will not be desirable. The people who made the hybrid simply clone it when they want more plants.
The same is generally true for all modern hybrids, from citrus and apple trees, to tomatoes and pumpkins.
If you want to reliably grow something from seed, make sure the seed is from a true line of cultivars.
I totally understand the thing with time but it is so fun to see the little tiny bits of leaves coming out of the seeds!!! They are just like babies!!! They are sooooo cute!!! 😍
@@iara_pimenta Oh I start nearly every other Mediterranean Herb from seed 🌱
@@CulinaryGarden1 avacado seeds do produce trees. whats up with the misinformation
@nofrbls3640 what's up with commenting and not watching the video? 😅
i did. thumbnail lied about seeds not producing trees, he also lied about them not producing edible fruits most of the time. whats up with defending misinformation?
It's true my father grew an avocado tree from a seed..it took about 6 years to give avocado s but it did...@CulinaryGarden1
Speaking of strawberries 🍓 I found some growing up the back of my yard about 2-3 months ago, in winter, in the shade of a building, in a place where no one had ever grown anything and I've never grown strawberries on this property. I was raking the dead leaves off the ground and I saw something green and I thought to myself, 'that looks like strawberry leaves, but how are strawberries growing here?'
I think a bird must have delivered them in it's poop! All ready to go with fertiliser! Thanks bird! 🐦
I transplanted them into a couple of pots, put some mulch around them and now they are flowering and I'm waiting to see what the fruit 🍓 does/tastes like. I have four plants in all and they are sending out runners.
I love it when plants show up in my garden at random like this! ☺
This is one of those really fun and awesome mysteries that gardeners love. And even newbies can get into. I hope you come back and, if possible, share how it turned out.
You may have discovered a new cultivar with more shade and cold tolerance than usual. Be sure to call some horticulturalists or master gardeners if it matures to let them know. They may want to take samples.
@@BlueJadeU Oh wow, I wish I'd seen your comment sooner. About two weeks ago I tried a couple of the fruits and they were so bland and small, the size of a small blueberry, that I pulled them out thinking they were no good 😟 I had no idea they could be something new. I just thought they were wild strawberries, not potentially something special. I feel sad now. I won't make this mistake again.
Thank you for your advice anyway.
@@mel8008 you're good... I think what you found is a common lawn weed often referred to as wild strawberry that looks a lot like a strawberry, but actually isn't edible at all. The fruit are about the right color, but very small and round, with seeds that kind of stick off the fruit.
@@rickgale Ok, great! I'm so relieved!
Thank You.
@@rickgale There are a couple very similar wild strawberries. The Virginia wild strawberry is apparently very sweet and tasty and was one of the plants used to create the hybrid garden strawberry (the other is a white berry called a sandberry that's native to California), but the other one that looks very similar is bland and almost flavorless.
I grew my avocado from seed and it was quite delish.
Growing an avocado from seed is an adventure, an experiment in growing for so many and delightful when you have your own little tree in a pot.
I have a 9 year old avocado seedling 15 ft tall , planted in the ground and is a beautiful shade tree that I really treasure. Fruit isn't the only goal for a tree.
Same. Had one or 2 fruits from mine but I think possums got them. I planted for shade mainly.
My first asparagus is 15 years from seed just time and effort no money spent and now I have a free supply ❤❤❤ I've also bought seedlings from nursery all died except only just managed to get one to survive to 3 years as it's a purple variety I have learnt so much knowledge over years so I keep my asparagus from nursery potted up first few years then plant in garden once strong so it can be protected in summer and winter while smaller 😊 it's the satisfying feeling when you grow from seed so if you have patience you can definitely do asparagus from seeds
My mom accidentally planted asparaguses in the flowerbed next to the house, and I recognized what they were starting to look like at the top of the stalks and got her to keep them. They made a fantastic backing "hedge" and looked very pretty with the flower bushes at their feet, like some poor man's mini-bamboo. (some of the flowers were climbing and used them as a makeshift trellis, too, which was cute)
And I got to have all the raw asparagus I wanted, I liked that they were like potato sticks. Between them and carrots I was all set for most of summer in snacking.
As an argument for growing thyme from seed, which might only apply to the few people who really enjoy "getting what they want" out of their garden: Even while I completely agree that you'll probably only end up with one plant, growing from seed initially will first give you the most viable plant out of the pack, and then second as you watch each grow over the next few weeks, you'll be able to see which are the strongest, fastest growers, see their growing pattern, whether more outward or more upright, etc. And then taking a small clipping from the best growers to smell, will help you choose the ones that might have the best aroma you're looking for. Now, if all you care about is just "having a product" and not "having the best of the best of products", then buy one already established. But I really like the aspect of picking out the best of a bunch when I'm growing from seed.
for strawberries, get a variety of everberrying plant (just one) and throw it in a large pot. it'll throw out runners that you can either individually pot or just firmly push into the soil in the pot and you'll end up with 10+ plants at the end of the season. its how i started a large strawberry patch.
I generally transplant out the self-sown seedlings around the main strawberry plant, and nurture it. Seems to work.
I started two Avocado trees from seed. Both produced good fruit, but only one produces fruit reliably. That one is enough to take care of the avocado needs for not only my family, but also a family of (we think) opossums for for about 5 months out of every year. It took nearly ten years for the trees to produce fruit.
All solid advice, I'd like to add my 2c tho. Having grown up on a subsistence farm and still actively garden now. Almost 2/3rds of my crops are heritage seeds. As in, passed down from my Gparents, thru my parents, and now onto me. Some of the crops we have have drifted from original source, both good and bad ways. The key is to have many sources of seed banks, in our case our whole family. If i have a bad tasting garlic harvest, i send out notice and my brother sends seeds. We mix the blood so to say, to keep the genetics strong. Every year I eat my crops i love the idea that this exact same plant (tho grandchild of x amount of times) kept my gparents alive during the first great depression, my parents during the Regan years, and myself now. I intend to pass this down to my kids and hope to see these seeds feed my grandkids one day. Ofc each house seed bank has some changes in it too. I got alot of cool newer style tomato's and stuff that my brothers dont and vice versa. The original bank my gparents had was some odd 25 different plants. I got over 75 in my vault at this time.. i may or may not be a homesteading nut :p
@@christopherrenn8137 that’s nice!!
@@christopherrenn8137 First, congratulations on saving heirloom seeds from your family. People like you are responsible for food and genetic resilience for the planets future. The trick with heirloom seeds is that they also evolve from domestication. Your ancestors had different conditions and tastes so they picked and chose what they thought was best. It is your choice now and what is important is that when you choose your next crops seeds you have to choose as many as you can to keep the seeds from inbreeding. Choose as many qualities from as many plants you can and this will broaden your gene bank even if they all came from the same original parents. Through micro organisms and by climate you will get mutations. Mutations are very important because they are the reason we can get new genes in a closed planet. Without them we would be inbreeding ourselves. If a plant shows signs of mutation and the mutation is positive add it to the pool. Don’t be afraid of new traits just continue growing and choosing what is best and make sure to choose from as many plants as possible to minimize inbreeding.
Good story. If only more people would plant their ownorganic food again, the Earth wouldn't be in such a mess right now.
@@Ckawauchi35 The earth was a mess before and after Industriation (spelling?) of crop growing. It's we the people that need to take small steps to change the over all picture of how we live as a whole. :D Personally i would like to see libraries be charged with also indexing public access of seeds. That would be cool.
@@christopherrenn8137 That is a great idea! I think the functions of libraries should be expanded would do a lot of good for the communities around the libraries (not that they aren't already a great boon to their local communities).
I for the first time got a "Potato Tomato" (aka berry) and intend to plant the seeds. The most astonishing thing I learned while researching how to grow potatoes from seed is that they will not be the same as the plant they came from, which is a bit of a let down because it came from a fancy purple variety of waxy potato. But I am looking forward to seeing what grows from these seeds, if anything.
Do you mean a pomato? Because those can only be made via splicing. Seeds from the tomato will only make tomatoes (and if hybridized, may not grow true to its parent plant)
@@Drosenv yeah I'm talking about potatoes not tomatoes. I must not have been clear. It happens.
@@Drosenv so I just googled what a Pomato is. I'm absolutely not talking about one of those. I'm talking about an actual potato berry. Do not eat, it will delete you in a very unpleasant way. Not every plant will produce one so it's a bit of an occasion for the grower when one does appear. Out of my 40 potato plants I got only one berry. That should put into context the level of excitement for one.
potatoes actually do produce fruits. it's not some hybrid or anything, that's just how they grow. MANY plants make some sort of fruits to spread their seeds.
@@curlygurly2112 not to worry, I did my homework and am in the process of separating the seeds from the little berry. I'm just excited because this is the first time I have gotten a berry. Out of 40 plants I got 1 berry. Another thing that adds to my excitement over it is that this is the first garden bed that I had complete control over and the growth of a berry in my mind says that I have done it right. I've also gotten a decent crop so far. A few plants aren't done growing yet but they are close. I wish I could show you the garden I put together because it's something to see. Although you would need to have seen it before I got at it to appreciate the difference and understand why I'm so excited.
It was a lot of work to restore the soil but it has paid off. Tomato plants that are larger than the label said they would grow, raspberries that stand nearly 10 feet tall, Acorn squash, Pumpkin, beans and peas, and all surrounded by Apple mint at the edges which apparently control some insects.
Anyway, in my eyes it's a thing of beauty and I'm quite proud of myself because the hard work has paid off.
Thanks for the content. I agree with some, but not all. While it is true you don't know what you might get with citrus, you still get something decent most of the time. I planted some lemon seeds, and it doesn't grow the same fruit quite as pretty as the store (and it has a lot more seeds), it still is a useful lemon. I mostly don't agree on thyme. Yes, it is hard to grow (why?),. But unlike a hearty rosemary bush, the plants grow smaller and less hearty....and don't last as long. Also, you end up using a lot more of the thyme plant....which isn't great for the plant (so it's better to have more plants). BTW, how about the long day/short day onion problem? As a novice, I bought seeds before figuring out I lived in an area without enough sunlight.
My Dad planted a seed, and it provides so many 🥑 every year. The most delicious avocados you'll ever taste. The tree is like 10m high 😅
I started an avocado seed knowing full well I'll harvest nothing from it, due to the climate I live in (as well as the fact I live in an apartment - really no space to grow a tree in :)). I'm just keeping it as a potted house plant. Also, I bought some cut rosemary sprigs for cooking some time ago. There were more than I needed so I put some of them in a glass of water, to see if some will take root. And one did, so I planted it in a pot and it seems to be doing well. Although it's gonna be a while before I feel comfortable harvesting any of it, it feels nice that I could do that.
You can grow a lime tree from lime seeds. It just takes 10years+ before the tree bears fruit. I found this out the hard way. 😅. Took 12 years but now my lime tree produces about 300 limes each year.
My mum grew a lemon tree from a seed that sprouted inside the fruit. She planted it and after about 8 years of no flowers or fruit from a decent sized tree she took an axe and leaned it against the tree trunk. Left it there overnight. That tree flowered soon after, had a couple of flowers that set fruit. The following year it was covered in flowers and it kept on fruiting from then on.......true real life account 🤍
I grew a kaffir lime from seed. It hasn’t fruited yet but the leaves are useable.
@@WhytePip same, i plant a lemon from a seed i took from wedding bouquet. It has been 7 years, the tree are quite tall, the bridal already have two kids by now but my tree have not bloom 1 flower. Might go get an axe tomorrow.
I have green onions growing in my yard. The first couple years they didn’t do much. Now they are spreading like ground cover. I love it. They took over a part of the yard where we couldn’t get anything to grow and we don’t need to do anything. Thy just take care of themselves and we have fresh green onions all summer. We decided that when we move, we will dig up some of them and take them with us to the new house.
I started an avocado seed I removed from an avocado 20 something years ago. I've been eating the avocados for many years. The tree produces well and the fruit is good. Not sure why my experience is different from what you describe.
While hass avocado trees grown from seed won't produce avocados that are identical to hass, they will be very similar and will be edible. I grew a hass avocado tree from seed and it is very similar to hass, but the fruit has a little bigger pits, and it is not quite as good as a hass, but definitely edible, and if making guacamole can't even tell the difference between it and a hass.
Well I wonder what I have been feeding the family the last few years from my avocado ,haha ( trees sprouted from where I put household compost ) .The largest tree gave me ( and the neighbours ) about 200 last season .Currently I have about 5 trees happily producing from my old compost heaps .
I saved our garlic by growing it from "seed". The OG garlic was given to my mum back over 50 years ago brought home from Italy by my godmother. She raised the garlic for a few years and then life interrupted and she stopped. Eventually, when I started living back at the house I found the remaining spindly tiny garlic growing wild in several places. I harvested the biggest seed (bulbil) I could find and grew those for a year. They grew into a single bulb much like an onion without layers in the first year. Those single bulbs split in the second year into the cloves that we are used to finding in the stores. Through selective replanting of the biggest cloves each year we now grow nice market sized garlic bulbs that are quite pungent.
As someone with a lot of avocados on their own roots, only one produces fruits as disappointing as Haas, so I'm having to disagree on point 1; even if your tree doesn't produce good fruits (and the first couple of years of fruiting are not always indicative), you can always bud a better variety onto your established tree once you've found that out.
But if you are short of space or time, and very committed to a particular variety (e.g. you like to cook your avo, so Haas is the most reliable), then I would agree that buying a grafted sapling is a quicker way to get a reliable product. Just not always so interesting.
Rough lemon (Citrus x jambhiri) are a stable form and usually true to seed; you will also usually get a mandarin-type fruit from a mandarin seed, a cumquat from a cumquat, a lime from a lime, calamondin from calamondin, a pomelo-type from a pomelo, and so on. They will not usually be the exact cultivar (e.g. - you would probably get a navel orange, but not a caracara, from a caracara seed), but the last time someone got a truly inedible citrus cultivar from planting a seed, the grapefruit was invented (hybrid between Pomelo and sweet orange).
Edit to add - additionally, mexican lime, citron and pomelo are at least occasionally grown from rooted cuttings; trifoliate orange and rough lemon are usually grown from seed, not grafted. Grafted trees will usually fruit sooner, though.
Thx for this. I accidentally started growing an avocado seed from some compost in my greenhouse. That was 2 years ago and it's continued to grow. I appreciate the info you shared here so now I know not to get my expectations on the resulting fruit too high (unless I win that avocado lottery!)
Came to say this about avocado seedlings. I have personally grown many to fruit and have never had a bad tasting fruit. Usually they have a larger seed but are sometimes tastier than comerical verities
My sister gave me a peach and an apricot tree she had planted from seeds, and though they took years to mature their fruit is delicious! Worth the wait!
No need to hate on seed grown avocados. Hass was a seedling itself once.
I'm becoming more and more interested in growing a variety, if not at least a couple, of table veggies and citrus. This video was informative and easy to follow, thank you! 👌🙏
I’ve grown avocados from pits multiple times. It takes a crazy amount of patience (sometimes 3 months before you even know if it’s going to grow or if it’s dead). I can’t say it produces anything, but it makes an interesting houseplant.
Apparently you can use the leaves as seasoning, go check out mexican recipes involving it. Caveat: you gotta like anise flavors, that's apparently what they taste like.
You can grow onion from seed in one season, in fact, you want harvest it because next year it will just flower. You've never grown an onion and are giving bad advice about it. Don't do that.
The video has massive errors all through it and is very pedantic. Granted I am not the gardener of the family my wife is. I just do the heavy lifting. But even I can point out things he’s wrong about. We planted some apple seeds about 14 years ago. It was something for the kids to watch grow. They got to see those tiny seeds grow into trees that we now pick apple from. To sit there and say any seed from the grocery store can’t be planted is just wrong. We have done so with everything we eat. Even potatoes.
You can’t. Onion like garlic and the like switch year over year from bulb to actual onion. The first season will always be chives. The second season you’ll have the onion. The more you know.
Just got a load of Avacados that my mother in law grew the tree from seed. By far the best avocados we have ever had. We have grown many plants from seeds that you don't find in stores and they always have tasted better than store bought fruits and vegetables.
My parents have an avocado tree grown from a seed. It has been giving avocado's the last 2 years.
The thing people don't know is, if it's grown from seed, it's not self pollinating, that's why often you don't see fruit, if there isn't another avocado tree nearby.
so avocado trees are like cats, better to get two so they don't get lonely, got it
My dog planted an avocado seed (it's a long story) and it grew into a massive tree that produces tons of fruit that feeds us and the neighbors and our friends for several months each year. They taste fantastic. It is a crapshoot but if you want guaranteed success, just graft it. It's easy and a fun skill to learn.
In many climates an Avocado tree won't last the winter and it won't grow fruit for many years. BUT the leaves are very beneficial. Avocado leaves just so happen to be high in quercetin. These incredible leaves are full of minerals like immune-boosting zinc, bone-strengthening calcium, and magnesium and potassium. This helps promote a healthy heart by enhancing blood circulation, lowering blood pressure, and reducing hypertension. So now I grow it for the leaves alone as I have not seen Avocado Tea in the shops.
Be aware of the persin in leaves that in some varieties is more concentrated and toxic to some people more than others.
how do you prepare the leaves for eating?
@@jevans1805 I think you just make a Tea from them. I must admit, I have a 1 meter tree growing but have not tried it yet. Not sure if you use the young leaves or old leaves or if it even matters.
@@Spyhook You'll figure it out when you try your tea, but from the general pattern older leaves have more of the flavor and young ones will have a milder flavor.
But avocado *leaves apparently is a whole SEASONING! So even if your tea isn't to your taste (heh!) you can apparently make a whole subset of cuisine with it if cooking's your thing.
Source: "Avocado Leaves: A Secret Mexican Ingredient", blogspot site "Flavors of the Sun".
My avocado tree is amazing, grown from an avocado seed.
In the UK it needs to be taken indoors to over winter
My grandmother and myself have both grown full on avocado trees that have all become real trees with real full blown super tasty avocados better than from the store. You just have to start it with decent water, not chemical filled tap water.
I grew garlic from corms in Rockhampton years ago. I harvested them the first year and got the onion-like bulbs. I really enjoyed them.
Fair amount of disinformation here.
Ref's and citations please
Pandas right, avocados for example can be grown from seed, and the fruit will be edible, it's just that the odds of them being edible and the way people like them are low, but still, never zero...
@@WhiteJadeTiger98 And grafted root stock for hardiness doesn't affect the flavor of anything. Seeds come from the top of the plant. So you are getting the high flavor genetics. Just needs a proper climate and nematode control to make up for the lack of root graft.
Note: F1 hybrids are a different matter. But the video never mentions them.
I support this statement
@@andypanda4756 True, dude talks like selective breeding hasn't been thought of by anyone, anywhere, or at any time ever. He literally admits after saying over and over again that if an avocado seed is germinated that the tree won't produce avocados, but that it will produce fruit, and that they just simply wouldn't be edible (Honestly, what's it gonna produce, choke cherries?...) as though he thinks avocados that aren't specifically how he's used to them being aren't even fruit let alone avocados... Then he admits that a germinated avocado seed has approximately a 1/10,000 chance of growing into a tree that would produce edible fruit that's of decent quality. My maternal aunt (maternal uncle's wife) actually grew two avocados trees from seed, both produced fruit, and the fruits of both trees were in fact edible... Another thing worth mentioning... If you were to take two avocado trees that produce high quality avocados, cross pollinate them, and grow out the seeds, then continue only breeding the best trees with the best trees, sibling to sibling each generation, eventually that 1/10,000 would become more like 1/1,000; 1/100; 1/10, until eventually everything will breed true.
We had a peach tree that grew from a pit from a publix peach we tossed into the bushes at our shop. It actually produced peaches that were super tasty. Just it was nothing like the store bought peach, it was much smaller (like size of a golf ball) and mostly stayed green with just a hint of color when it ribened, but it was sweet and tasted like peaches.
I have a large lemon tree right beside my window, and it is sweet like orange, I use some of the fruits to make syrup! I've also grown two avocado trees from the seeds that sprouted beautifully and gave nice fruits. They might not be that beautiful on the outside, have that sweet aftertaste, silky, buttery texture, big and plump size like the store-bought ones, but they in fact where tasty enough and helped a lot in saving, since almost any store-bought fruits are very expensive.
There is also guava fruit, that is absolutely inedible when you buy on the store, but are quite sweet if harvested wild! Store guava are made so flies don't get to them, since flies do love guava a lot and wild guava are almost always infested with it. You need to know when to harvest them and leave them secure from flies to get ripe and sweet.
I planted 24 Hass avocado stones in 2014 and planted the three best ones in the garden in 2016. The first bore fruit in 2018 and last year had 80 good fruit. The one next to it has over 200 very large fruit on it this year. Large stones too, but as good as any commercial avocado. The third is biggest and has probably 50 fruit - the best tasting of the three. Each shows characteristics that reveal their likely parentage - Hass-Zutano, Hass-Fuerte and Hass-Bacon. It's a lottery, but we got lucky.
why are you spreading blatant misinformation? you can support the idea of grafting without the misinformation part.
💯 agreed. Growing avocado from seed can grow nice and delicious fruit but the main reason people especially farmers dont grow them from seed is simple. Tree's usually take longer and grow much larger. The chances of having the same type,shape and variety is super slim too. Wait up to 3 to five years to get the fruit tree that is wanted is a big gamble.
@@surfninjafishing8297 it may be a downside to some but ive always loved the mystery, its definitely something you should know if you want to grow them though, its just that the video flat out lies.
Avodados don't breed true, that's a fact, not misinformation.
@@DanBeech-ht7sw The misinformation is that you'll get inedible fruits from seed grown trees. Even if the tree is not 100% true to the store bought fruit it'll still be edible and delicious most of the time.
@@Samu2010lolcats he's perhaps used a bit of hyperbole in saying "inedible "
In the same way, the vast majority of apples grown from seed are not of a quality you would compare with any commercial variety.
That's the point he was trying to get across, and it's a pity people are being over literal and pedantic.
Great tips, I've no idea so why so many of your comments are negative. I'm no expert but everything in this video makes perfect sense! Happy gardening! 🙂😋
Those things grow from avocado seeds sure do taste like avocados.
the reson they graft is because other type of citrus or avo are hardier. if you grow it from seed you will get the avocado. it just may not produce as many fruit. so from a industrial farm point of view its best to graft.
I'm with you on starting fruit trees from seed. It's obviously possible and more power to you if you've done it or you want to do it, but people should be aware the fruit won't be true to type, which store selling growing kits might not tell them. And for me, I've got a really busy job & gardening is a hobby and de-stressor, so saving some time/ increasing success rate are really important to me.
a lot of your video is wrong. Maybe do actual research before posting. but as many others have said their avocado trees were fine.. that is because 95% of avocado grown from seed taste fine. Apples are the ones with truly bad reputation for not being true to seed because you get crab apples.
Watching from the PHILIPPINES where I have not had much luck except with brocolli sprouts, spinach, etc from seed.
I'm thinking someone doesn't know the difference between fruit and veg. Also, bought asparagus crowns are 1yr old, so the difference to sown seed ones is a year. You can buy a packet of 150 seeds for £$2.50, you couldn't buy one crown for that.
My wife’s family planted a pit from a store bought avocado. Split the seed in two.
They now have 2 big avocado trees that have amazing, giant avocados that taste great.
There’s also naturally occurring lemon and orange trees that grow wild in their neighborhood because it used to be a citrus grove a long time ago.
While I agree with most of these, growing citrus from seed is very common, just often used to create root stock. Many citrus will produce nearly true to type fruits if not cross polinated and who doesn't love to try a new variety.
On my patio, I have very large pots of coriander and basil that’ll come up from their seeds. I also have some potted mint. This year I found out that basil and mint can cross pollinate because some of my basil tasted horribly minty. Yes, I know they’re in the same family but didn’t expect they’d cross. Like I wouldn’t expect potatoes and tomatoes to cross pollinate. Although my mom has always said not to plant cucumbers next to melons cause it’ll make them cucumber flavored.
I've grown onion from seed and had full (massive) onions the first summer, just a few month later. I've also had artichoke produce the first year
Onions will. They flower their second year.
I have had a couple of artichokes produce in their first year (from seedlings).
Artichoke, assume you mean globe, not root (Jerusalem) artichokes? I'm at 45°N, allow plants to seed after 3rd year, usually get 1-5 plants pop up as "weeds", choosing a couple to keep. Not reliable, no new seedlings this year, as far as I can see in the mini-jungle of my backyard.
@@pynn1000 yes mine were globes
@@davinasquirrel7672 Thanks! Since I saw your message I nipped outside, removed the remaining head. About 1/2 of the original 100s of seeds still left, plant itself is clearly dying. I'll try planting some seeds rather than hoping some land in a good place.
Berry bushes can be propagated by covering a low hanging branch in soil, or pressing it towards the soil for a while.
Then it'll shoot roots in the soil and can be cut off the mother bush; transferred to where you want it.
I did it with red and black currant, and it never failed.
Just because its not true to seed dosnt mean you cant grow it , every strain started from seed at some point the easiest method is start from seed and graft onto a mature tree and see the fruit it produces
About the onion - first year you have seed (from old onion), the second year you get arpajíc how it is called in Bulgarian and Romanian (pickling onion, in English)and on the third year you have new onion. You just have to learn the cycle of life of the particular vegetable sort. Also, depends on the year you can get onion from a seed.
propaganda from big already trusted varieties
No, its not "propaganda". avocados are like apples, they don't breed true.
You'll get something, like apples grown from seed, it may or may not be enjoyable to eat.
My Auntie planted an Avocado seed after making a 7 layer dip on the 90s, when we got the tree removed 2 years ago because it became so massive, it had produced buckets and buckets over the years. My Moms friend would come take buckets to the Farmers market.
It produced buckets? That's amazing. (Now wondering what will sprout if I plant a bucket.)
@@whiteknightcat A buckethead zombie of course.
@@neoqwerty 🤣
Total bs. About avocado. I have grown avocado from seed most of my life and the fruit has been better than most store bought avocados. Never tried Hass because it’s too small and I am in the tropics. We have better bigger avocados here. Have grown many varieties of citrus too. What he says about seeds from grafted trees and hybrids not growing the same fruit is true. The probability that they are inedible is not so high. I have never come across an inedible avocado.
Yep, how does he think avocados originated?
majority of the video is bs
Fifty years ago, my great-aunt started and grew two avocado trees. A few years after she planted them outside, we had very nice, perfectly edible avocados from those trees. She also started a grapefruit tree from seed and within a few years, we were giving away bags of grapefruit from that tree.
The title isn't about gardening, It's dont do this if you want fast and good veggies/fruits.. I let garlic/unions seed just plant so much you just harvest part and let some get mature, more seeds / beter seeds and strong veggies than if buy. The lemon is one most people dont dare from seed only with enough space to forget
I'm liking this without having watched it yet for the title alone. Props for doing a video on this, so many ppl grow avocado seeds thinking they'll have a tree that some day they can harvest avocados from.
you need another avocado tree close by. why not just grow two if you already have one? this is not a good video at all.
Ahh! Ok, you mean the avocado seed will not produce true to type. I had my rant fingers ready to type.😊
I managed to grow a decent avocado that fruited well from a seed. Small but tasty fruit. I guess I won the plant lottery.
All the rest, I agree with you 100% Nice video. Cheers! Oh, and subscribed.
David the good and TheKiwiGrower disproved that fruit trees like avocadoes grow terrible from seed
The lottery meme is a joke, same for apples and to a large extent citrus. There is some truths buried in there but if only 1 in 10k were edible these plants would be extinct
My avocado makes a nice house plant. I bring it in over the winter and place it outside during the summer.
One of the many avocado seeds I've planted I kept for me as a house plant and I do exactly what you described.
Stop spreading misinformation, plenty of people have planted avocados from seed and have gotten perfectly delicious edible fruit.
Now if you want to promote grafted varieties then sure there pros to that as well. But to say most avocados grown from seed is inedible is just wrong.
This is not misinformation, the quality of the tree grown from seed is highly variable
@@Xenofan20 yes it’s called genetic diversity. But it doesn’t mean you’re getting inedible fruits.
@@Xenofan20 Yes, but I don't believe his claim that only one in ten thousand seeds go on to produce edible fruit. It's either false, he has a totally different definition of edible than I do, or I have some extremely lucky friends and family.
Hmmm. Where I live you can find avocado trees on the street. Most of them grew by accident. In my corner I just observed one tree growing from the planted seed to a big tree in about 6 years. I managed to pick one fruit and it tasted like the ones I get in the market. I also was lucky enough to get one from another tree, quite old indeed, over 30 years old and 20 meters tall. The fruit was quite big too around 2 kilos. It tasted really fine... :) I do not know how many times I got avocado from trees on the street or wild, but they were all tasty although they were not this brown one for guacamole. :)
All avocado fruit is edible. Now it may not taste great but it is edible.
I had the exact opposite problem at the house I just moved out of. The old avocado tree my mother grew from seed tasted good but the seed was huge and the avocado small so not that much actual meat to it.
I love planting garlic. So much nicer to have garlic without all those brown spots. I normally go with purchasing garlic seed (cloves) but I will try next year to use my current crop if I can get my bulbs to be nice and full. I think I have just been having problems due to the soil but have been adding manure and other organics to the soil to enrich it.
He's just a lazy and impatient gardner.
I have grown avocado trees from seed and I whish I could show you how HUGE they are and delicious. In Puerto Rico we grow giant avocados, just last year I grew one that was bigger than a 2 litter of a coca-cola bottle. I have pictures to prove it but unfortunately I can't post them here.
Avocado/Lemon/Fruiting Trees = Fruit
Garlic/Onion = Veggie
Strawberry = Berry/Fruit
Thyme = Herb
Asparagus = Veggie
Artichoke = Veggie
Your title's a bit misleading... =\
Maybe stick to a neutral term such as "Plants"??
Good info despite that though 👍
Yeah you're totally right! It's one of the things that annoys me with my content the most is in the titles i have to call everything "vegetables". Because UA-cam knows who to serve "vegetable gardening" content to, but not fruit, herb, & berry gardening. Unfortunately "vegetable/veggie" is the best catch all term we have (without making the titles too long). And i don't say "plants" because I only focus on things you can eat.
Also did you know there is no scientific definition for the word "vegetable"? "Vegetable" is actually a culinary term that just means edible plant! So in a round about way the title is still correct... and yes this factoid is actually the secret origin behind the channel name :)
I find it ironic that you complain about the terminology used, while at the same time offering some unubiquitous terms yourself. strawberries are fruits, that's it. They're not even real berries, but that doesn't matter as they're fruit. Also how does one even define herb vs vegetable? it's almost the same!
My point is that it really doesn't matter as long as it's understood, and when you're being pedantic, you might as well put things forth properly.
@@CulinaryGarden1 but did you have to say avocado seeds dont become avocado trees in the thumbnail?
I grew up in Key West, and I have grown an avocado from seed to a tree that produced edible fruit. I also grew "Key Lime" from seed to fruiting tree. . . Granted the seeds came from wild varieties that were already growing and fruiting down there, so I understand there is a difference.
Onions from seed will not grow a bulb the first year? ffs
Anyone watching this video, please watch something else or just google it. This ain't it.
He never said that. He literally says they bulb after the first year. I think where you're getting confused is he's swapping back and forth between onion and garlic. And you do harvest garlic in its "2nd" lifecycle year.
Correct. All the onions you buy in the grocery store are from plants grown from seed the year they were planted.
@@MZKPRODIGY Onions bulb DURING the first year. Either from seeds started in the fall or spring depending on where you live.
@@robertgaines9286 No that's wrong, some start in the Autumn, overwinter, harvest early to mid Summer.
@@lksf9820 Yes, I know that. That still represents the 1st year of the onions life cycle as they don't go dormant during the winter. They bulb the 1st year in the spring. If left in the ground they go dormant late summer and then regrow in the fall and bloom the following spring.
I think what he meant to say for most of these but only really said about one thing, is a lot of produce we buy in the store is a hybrid variety that when you plant the seeds will not produce the same variety. Hybrids are usually made by crossing 2 plants (not grafting) and kind of like a mule, they can't make another by breeding two mulls, they have to breed a horse and a donkey again. If you plant seeds from a hybrid fruit, you will get one of the parent plants instead of the original (horse or a donkey, no mull). When he talks about grafting, that doesn't mean that the plant you grow from that seed won't grow or produce fruit, but the original tree is often grafted onto something that has a better chance of surviving your climate, etc. Your new plant from seed won't have that same protection and may not make it in the same climate.
Put a paper towel under slightly warm water. Open the paper towel up, place on plate. Add the strawberry seeds with space to grow. Fold towel over itself. Keep moist. When it germs use clean tweezers to pick them up (GENTLY!) place in clay terrace pot. Be careful. After the last freeze and it's around 60f out place pot on garden bed. The plant will grow out and spread into bed. My mom was a master gardener. We did this every year and had literally thousands of strawberries... Well as long as I didn't eat them... Bed was about 4.5'×20'. it was soil, dead leaf, sticks, broken clay pots, and it was a raised bed with weed stop placed on grass and garden timbers. In the winter we placed weed stop black then about an inch gap with plastic. The next year they should come back but didn't always. Super easy as long as you can be extremely clean with the germination steps....
we got a small pot of strawberry kit, which ended up to be wild strawberry and no issue to grow it in the same pot. Within half a year we had a couple of berris on it, but pot were really small, so you can grow them from seeds and harvest in the same year in small quantities.
We used to grow avocado seeds on the window sill. Every year we would plant one. After several years, we had trees that produced avocados that were good to eat.
When you said and everyone knows you can't grow citrus from seeds I was like... ??? 😅 I am currently growing two lemon trees from seeds! Do you recommend grafting or propagating? I also have a meyer lemon that I got from bunnings that I could take a cutting from and put in the ground. Where do you get a root stock from or can I use the little lemon tree I grew from seed and graft onto it?
@@MaddieLullaby I'm so glad my video actually helped someone!
In Australia the citrus rootstock we use is called Flying Dragon... And you can't really buy it from anywhere. They're also notoriously fiddley to germinate. Once I find a place to buy them cheap I'm going to make & give away so many citrus trees though 🍋
I'm really sorry but those citrus you've started from seed are pretty much useless in terms of getting fruit from them 😞 You ~can~ graft onto them but you'll have lots of issues with them once growing. It won't be worth it
Unlike herbs you can't take a cutting from the meyer lemon and have it sprout root, you'll run into issues with how the tree grows, you'd need to graft that cutting onto a Flying Dragon rootstock... So for citrus you're better off just buying nursery stock. For citrus in particular I advise going to a local nursery and buying advanced (already fruiting) stock. The price difference is about $50, but it saves you about 3 years compared to the tiny ones you get from Bunnings. (And advanced stock form Bunnings is criminally expensive)
@@CulinaryGarden1 what kind of issues you would have when using a citrus tree grown from seeds if you graft onto them? Are they weaker? I thought when using a graft from a fruiting tree I should have no problem… 😐
@@iara_pimenta They grow slower, take more years before fruiting, aren't as hardy to extreme conditions and aren't as disease resistant.
@@CulinaryGarden1 Thanks so much for taking the time to respond with so much info! Damnnnn that sucks but it’s better I know now 😅 I blame those viral tiktok videos on growing lemon seeds! That’s right Bunnings is a bit expensive so I wanted a cheaper option but I’ll look into my local nurseries.
I’ve recently gotten into gardening and your videos have been super helpful! Gardening has been a great way to occupy my time outside with my toddler haha. Thanks to you I have a bucket filled with weeds and water for some fertiliser ready to go 😂 and I’m going to be following along with the garden project! Looking forward to your future vids!!
@@CulinaryGarden1 thank you for your answer! I’ll find another way, then.
We had a 12 meters avocado tree in my old house garden producing hundreds of avocados yearly. I can't tell what variety was the seed my dad planted, but avocados are the soft green skin variety, their taste is not good for salads, tostadas or anything sliced, but is completely fine for guacamole, mixing with chopped tomato, onion, green chili, salt and pepper, great with beefsteak and tacos.
I planted an avocado from seed 37 years ago. It indeed took 10+ years to start fruiting, but for the past ~25 years, it has produced the creamiest, nuttiest avocados I've ever had.
This was a random avocado from Lucky's.
I got a few avocados growing they are doing quite well. Planted directly into the ground took like 3 months
I have a volunteer avocado tree that grew out of our compost pile. It is 5 meters tall and it makes perfect fruit. You need to fertilize it if you want it to produet well.
Very true about the citrus trees. I have several, but they come inside in the winter because it’s so cold here. But they often fruit in the wintertime too
One day I found some asparagus growing next to a tree across the street from my home. It was the first time I got to see the grown spears in person as they grew and branched out.
My best friend and I planted a small patch next to his door about 10 years ago. It's been fun watching how it grows and spreads. And since year 3 we've been steadily increasing harvest from just a couple meals to enough to try canning and freezing for the off-months and share with family and friends.
Good tasting and avocado aren't words I would associate together.
So TRUE😎
When i was a kid my babysitter planted an avocado seed and it grew into a very productive tree with avocados all over it about 8 years later.
Contrary to what you allege, I have a field of Florida avocado trees, all from seeds. I dont like non-native Haas avocados. You do NOT have to graft, but if you do, you will get fruit within a year, as opposed to up to 4 years.
We threw an Avocado pit out in the yard in a spot we wouldn't mow or be upset if a tree did grow. The tree is 3 years old now is 20' tall and has produced around 14 avocados. Not a lot of produce also the pits in the fruit are huge and the skin of the avocado turns red when its ripe. All in all not bad for a volunteer start that's not been fertilized and only received minimal pruning. Hoping as the tree matures and if we top it properly we'll get more harvest in the future. Also, in Hawaii, it's almost harder to get things to not grow than to encourage growth.
Very interesting detail about avocado seeds, although I don’t agree with your blanket statement about lemons.
I came across a bush lemon tree happily growing in the bush. I picked a bag of lumpy lemons from within the thorny branches and the lemons were great. I planted some seeds and kept two of the trees. They are now 12 years old, thorny as hell but grow great lemons.
No grafting required although these would probably make great root stock for the non thorny variety.
I thought the thorns would deter the cockatoos eating the lemons but they can get through them. In a strange twist they only eat the seeds 🤠