Sir Richard Shirreff - Escalation is Putin's Default Strategy; Might that be Driving us Towards WW3?
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Barely a week goes by without things occurring that would have been inconceivable three years ago. Russian territory being hit by American made munitions, history’s most substantial sanctions in place against Russia, a near coup against the Kremlin, and Putin going cap-in-hand to Kim-Jong-Un to prop up his ailing military. What more can happen before these tensions and conflicts coalesce into World War 3 - especially the expectations that Korea troops will soon be fighting on the territory of Europe.
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Richard Shirreff is Co-founder and Managing Partner at Strategia Worldwide. After graduating from Oxford, he served in the British Army for 37 years commanding soldiers on operations or in combat at every level from platoon to division and rising to the highest rank before retiring from the Army as NATO’s Deputy Supreme Commander Europe. Richard is co-Founder and Managing Partner of Strategia Worldwide. In 2016 his novel ‘2017: War with Russia’ was published in the UK, USA, and Poland. He is an honorary Fellow of Exeter College, Oxford.
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Excellent interview. Excellent analysis from Richard Shirreff.
One thing absolutely puzzles me: With so many great military minds and strategic thinkers clearly agreeing on how (and why) to ensure Ukrainian victory, why oh why, do western leaders seem not to listen to such obviously experienced and knowledgeable voices?
I would love to hear a discussion on that one. Do leaders consult people like Shirreff? Do they take their opinions on board? And if not, why not? Who exactly advises western leaders on their strategies, or lack thereof?
@garyleahy2524
An important point. How about a different format. 90 minutes panel with Sir RS, Gen Ben Hodges and a third like Jon Curtice who would have a better insight that most as to how politicians focus on opinion polls. 3 highly accomplished interviewees with nothing to prove.
@@porschewillthe problem is there's not near enough public forums of strategic defense in support of Ukraine winning the war verses Kremlin propagandists. Do we want to preserve our countries more than Putin, Xi and other fascists want to destroy us? That is the problem
There is definitely a power controlling all nations in the UN. I believe they are in control of this war. It does make sense to instigate war if one understands the power at the top of the pyramid.
Because Russia owns the escalation advantage all the way to Nuclear War.
Ukraine is willing to go that far just like Russia. But US and key NATO countries like France, Germany, and U.K. do NOT!
The strategy is working.
This needs to be costly for Russia. A quick victory doesn't serve western interests.
The US is carving Russia entirely out of the system in a permanent fashion.
Clear thinking individuals know that weakness invites escalation, and yet some significant world leadership still appear to be frozen like a deer caught staring at the approaching headlights.
Exactly
so where are you going to hide?
@@thomasbenian4701I recommend under the bed for you, deer.
Let's try a thought-experiment :
What would President John Fitzgerald Kennedy do in a world where The United States was a mass of land that stretches from Eastern Europe to the Pacific Ocean, and Russia was working on getting a potentially nuclear enabled military base in a Cuba that is the size of, say, Ukraine, by, not least of which, effectuating a regime change ?
Would President John Fitzgerald Kennedy just sit by like a deer caught in the headlights, or would he threaten with potentially lethal but necessary retaliation ?
Well go fight for it than. I’m not planning to fight nobody’s war and i don’t know about you so
So point on. Finally, I have found competent people who can look at an issue like I do. I would propose that we have under some circumstances as little as seven months to go in being able to achieve a Ukrainian victory before it is too late and a wide war becomes inevitable.
The support from people, ordinary people, has proven to be as valuable, maybe more valuable, than the dribs and drabs coming from the collective governments.
Let's get on with it.
At the 16:00 min mark, Sir Richard on foreign policy and geopolitics rarely playing a part in British general elections in he last 100 years - "...what a far cry from the days when Gladstone was talking to packed crowds about the Balkan massacres..." - Sir Richard is not only the quintessential military leader, but a great historian. My ancestry is from the Balkans and my Great Grandparents on my father's Bosnian side were impacted immensely by the Ottoman Turks. From Encyclopaedia Britannica - "Bulgarian Horrors, atrocities committed by the forces of the Ottoman Empire in subduing the Bulgarian rebellion of 1876; the name was given currency by the British statesman W.E. Gladstone. Publicity given to the atrocities, especially in Gladstone’s pamphlet “The Bulgarian Horrors and the Question of the East” (1876), served to arouse public sympathy in Europe for the Bulgarians and other southern Slavs attempting to gain independence from the Ottoman Empire."
Excellent Guest!
You can never go wrong with Sheriff. One of the most tireless and convincing voices on why supporting Ukraine is in our self-interest and must be expanded in its breath and conviction. He’s a bit like the UK’s Hodges in that, but even more articulate.
Dropped everything on my watch list for this one, insight of Sir Shirreff is exceptional!
auto correct on iphone gave me untold revisions of "Shirreff", now fixed on pc, must have redone10x, challenges of a name that's not quite not orthographically permitted in our spellcheck era!
True that!
Exceptional as lies go! This Sir knows that CIA, MI6 spent from 2002 to 2014 in Ukraine and took them 12 years for the coup to succeed! He knows from then on another 8 years were spent arming and training, plus $100's of billion's bribing Ukrainian's corrupt officials to kill over 14,000 Russian farmers, children, families locked in a hall burnt alive, before Russia responded. Who in 2 years war killed 16,000 civilian's 550 children among them! In Palestine 5000 plus children and 15,000 civilian's killed in 3 weeks! The2 US Apache helicopter pilots admitted since that they were given orders to shoot anyone moving, their tanks ran over hundreds more of partygoers, and those who were telling publicly that it was their own killing them are locked away in mental institution's so they can't talk, at least 50 "took" their own lives! Sir also knows that the $ billion's borrowed from their masters to fund this war, UK, taxpayers won't be able to repay in 5 generation's or that this war caused 1.6 million homeless in UK alone maybe more since I've seen the UK documentary! Sir knows, the citizen's who finance it don't!
Why do you call it insight? Did you think just for a second, that he could talk and talk and true could be very far from what he is spreading?
@@mirekslechta7161 He's certainly a more trustworthy opinion than that which comes out of Moscow, Russia exports more lies than it does oil.
One of the two best sources of information and insight on the Ukraine war. Thanks Jonathan.
Thank you Jonathan for inviting Sir Shirreff . Totally agree with his view .💙💛👏👏✌️✌️✌️
The United Kingdom has 213 total battle tanks. That would last 4 weeks in a war. When will the Brits get serious about Defense ?
You forgot about their world-beating navy!😂
If anything tanks in this war have very little impact?
Drones, high tech long range storm shadows, good intelligence, are where the investments are required!
And 250 in reserve,
Britain's shift away from armor and the 100 year old strategy of armored warfare is being proved as we speak , in Ukraine.
Britain invented the tank, Britain's
Captain sir basil liddell Hart invented the concept of blitzkrieg ten years before the nazis came to power, and hheinz guderian was an avid reader of harts theories.
Britain's shift towards 21st century weapons has already begun.
Taranis, a long range autonomous stealth fighter bomber has been tested extensively at woomera in Australia.
Dragonfire, the British long range all weather laser has, in a world first, been successfully tested in may this year.
It will form the backbone of an integrated nationwide defence system, capeable of destroying multiple hypersonic missile attacks.
It will eventually be fitted to most royal navy ships.
The new hawker tempest development contracts have been signed. Tempest will be 6th gen, will combine a self repairable skin, deployable drone wingmen, will carry both conventional munitions and portable dragonfire.
It's prototype engines currently under development by rolls Royce and bae.
It would take 20 weeks to call up and train 250,000 soldiers,
And in a beaveresque edict, roughly the same to equip them.
As for tanks,.... Why?
You can construct 4 armoured vehicles for the price of one tank,
Both of which are succeptible to ever more powerful drones.
Much better to refine drone tech to a point where battlefields will become no go areas,
Extinct, unable to be crossed..... That leaves long range missile tech,
Which brings us back to particle weapons, lasers, kinetic energy projectiles, and skilled operators.
That is the future.
Tanks are being negated by drones and missiles !
We have been running down are military and navy for years since the end of the Cold War the blame is squarely at both Labour and conservatives! The shit has hit the fan now.
Great talk, Great Guest! Thank you!
I wish Shirreff could be Pres. of the U.S.
For those of us unable to provide military support, I think it's time for us to do what we can to help Ukranian military forces with some funds.
THEY know what they need, what can be purchased within Europe and Ukraine.
Feeling powerless to do something is something WE can overcome. I will. 🔱🇺🇦🇨🇦
Stop being ridiculous, open your bloody eyes
what the bloody hell do you mean ?
You sound like another hysterical loon. This war is coming to an end, we are sick of wasting our tax revenue on this madness, it has failed
Make sure to support individual military units then. Most brigades have donation links set up. All the large international aid organisations are just as bureaucratic and useless as always.
Fascinating guest. Thank you Jonathan.
It's so reassuring to see every time you interview a general, there will be a well filled bookshelf in the background. I wish the same were the case with politicians.
We're already in WWIII, we just haven't seen the major players go kinetic. Yet...
How awful that were having a bloody war in the 21st century!
We will never stop having them.
Unfortunately wars have been the most unfortunate constant among nations and people. Shorter wars are often the most 'efficient' use of military forces. Ugly, horrific, brutal, but as humans we fight over territory, back yards to entire countries. "Stand your ground" mindsets. 🤬🤦♀️
It's Human nature.
We are a greedy, selfish and destructive species.
Nation will rise against nation.........
Technologies improve, but humanity doesn't. I predict we will still have wars in many thousand years in the future.
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Superb stuff as always Jonathan. Slava Ukraini!
There's a good word: mountebank!! And this is the best podcast of its kind. One of the best of any kind. Jonathan, you are way too modest about your achievement. This and Ukraine the latest are my go-to sites for thoughtful information about the war in Ukraine and the geopolitics of Europe and Asia. Thank you so much!
UK - Don’t let your politicians turn a great nation into a Dunkirk !
South Korea is thinking...when NKs soldiers die in the Donbass...They won't be able to fight them on the Korean peninsula!
Excellent interview ☆☆☆☆☆
SLAVA UKRAINI ❤❤❤
Incremental milk toast support needs to be replaced with solid muscle support.
They are out of men? Seriously?
"We don't have much time. We have a lot of injured, killed, both military and civilians. So we do not want this war to last for years. Therefore, we have to prepare this plan and put it on the table at the second peace summit," Zelensky said. Unless they do something stupid. It's over.
The UK was not alone in 1940; it had an empire of about 900 million behind it.
Abd the USA and Russia who lost 24 million people fighting the Nazis 9 million in armed forces. My uncle was in the Murmansk supply line had it not been for Russia it eould have taken another 3 years to defeat Nazi Germany
@@brubeker12 in 1940 the USSR was allied with Nazi Germany. The point was that the general claimed that Britain stood alone in 1940. They did not.
BTW,, just as now; Muscowy was using other ethnicities as cannonfodder, Belarussia lost 23% of it's population, Ukraine about the same (not to mention the Holodomor ten yeas before), so write USSR, not Russia. Muscowy is and remains a terror state, they do not deserve credit for the win.
900 million peasants.
@@kellanhills1972 most of any country's population were peasants; what are you trying to say?
Russia is winning this war. The West has trouble accepting this fact. They've missed so many facts in this conversation. Such as, the Minsk agreement stated that Ukraine is to stay a neutral country and nato was not to expand into Ukraine the US also assured putin that nato will not step one foot into Ukraine. This threat has antagonised putin. By nato expanding in Ukraine would mean US military bases on the border. That is a direct threat to russias security. I'm pretty sure if putin put weapons on the Mexico border. The US would react the same way.. hypocrisy at its best. Another fact. The Ukrainian azov military, who are known nazis, have killed many ethnic Russians in the donbass and crimea regions the azov are brutal racist nazis that are being funded by our western leaders. putin doesn't want to take western Ukraine. He doesn't want to rule Ukrainians either.. he's been open to negotiating a peace deal, and he's been ignored. If any of these idiots had listened to what he's been saying all along, they would know this. Nato don't have the military capability to beat russia. The munition factory's are not their to produce munitions! Nato is a joke. US military are nothing like how they used to be.. that's a fact.. these useless idiots think they are still back in the nineties.. Turkey who are nato members, made a statement that they will not engage in the war with russia. Turkey has the largest military in nato. Its ridiculous to even believe that putin wants Europe. For one he doesn't have the capabilities to even try it. False western propaganda yet again. The children that russia took were found safe and sound. These children were taken to safety at the requested by the parents. I always to listen to both sides. The stupidity of the west is unbelievable. And Reckless. Ukraine was never going to win the war. All the US has done is to put the Ukrainians into the meat grinder for their own political foreign corrupt policies. This is a US proxy war and zelensky was put into power by the US.
Finally a solid interview !
South Korea should send troops to Ukraine.
WWI never ended.
Game over for Tesla!
There must always be war lest the Roman Empire be reunited. Bible says it will not be recombined.
How can a country with investors not willing to pay taxes in UK and a government not caring about own infrastructure be a military power?
Port Talbot was close now artillery shells are made out of what ?
"Working on a lathe" is also not what you get when doing exit interviews with GCSE students
Russia has always had the strategic initiative which to me is so completely bonkers that we’re just reacting to their terror. Russia invaded Europe over 10 years ago and we're still trying to figure out what equipment to send to Ukraine and how we should approach Russia.
I find it so fascinating that everybody knows we're heading for a critical point, when Russia can't really do anything else except to use nukes, a trajectory more or less indisputable by most experts, so why the heck are we still on this path as it only have downsides? This slow, reluctant indecisive behavior is in itself escalatory and is indirectly the cause of many dead and wounded Ukrainians.
We have one big advantage over Russia and that is muscles. If there’s ANY one tool which we can use to deter Russia without having to actually do anything, it’s to show them our muscles.
Another point to this is that countries like China would probably be friendly with the stronger side, in other words perhaps wouldn’t provide any help to Russia.
Agree with all of that you just have to convince the morons in power.unlike zelensky they will be looking for a plane ride .not ammo.
West does not have Nuclear advantage over Russia around Ukraine.
And PRC would not allow Russia to lose because they know they will be the next target by US.
Omg have you no intelligence
1. Ukraine is not Europe.
2. Ukraine was first "invaded" by the USA.
3. The West is leading the escalation, because it is constantly trying to change the situation through deeper and deeper strikes against Russia.
4. Increased escalation leads to more deaths.
5. The West's muscle play leads to escalation, see point 3.
6. The West is playing with other people's lives, Russia is already fighting with its own people and on its own borders. Who do you want to scare?
@@qingzhou9983 I don't know about that, I don't believe China is all into Russia's transgressions with the West, I believe it sees Putin's mistakes in invading Ukraine causing a lot of problems in the world and China above all else likes order and gathering prestige through trade not destruction.
Sir Richard Sheriff is one of few people who have spoken the truth and hits the nail on the head every single time. Thank you Sir!
Delusional ppl half the truth
Superb post, thank you.
It is always a great pleasure to hear General Shirreff speak. He has great wisdom backed by experience on the battlefield. Europe's Russian problem would quickly be solved if the General was one of the presidential candidates in the United States presidential election...
Excellent selection of moderators
US and Germany hinder Ukraine attacks. So we can say: US and GE are cowards.
History has a way of repeating itself.
Thanks again for the update!
Excellent interview and very factual what needs to happen for Ukrainian 👍
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The best discussion on the topic i have heard in 2.5 years. All the important aspects covered so well. Thanks a lot!
👍👍👍 🙏 thank you!
A good sumup of where we are standing today, with a very knowledgeable guest. Thank you.
Great show Jonathan! Thank you for your work and engagement! I’m a big fan. 💚
Excellent interview!!
Great interview. I think you help to get the best out of experienced, well informed intellectuals like Shirreff; and the weight of their opinion backed by experienced carries a conviction that really helps persuade anyone on the fence.
agree ..completely
Excellent podcast, great guest..
Fantastic choice of guest, Richard Sheriff is one of my favourite Ukraine commentators!
It's Shirreff.
@@iraceruk sherriff
@@VoidAspect What? No it's not.
@@iraceruk Shereff?
@@VoidAspect What are you on about?!
Just look at the title and search the Internet! 🙄
Talking about Africa. All those regions almost everything you have described have been tried since the 90s by the french. Issue is propaganda war we have lost in africa.
Great guest!
Brilliant Thank You 🙏💙💛🔥
Thank you, Jonathan and Sir Richard. Great talk.
To me, India's factor is quite ambiguous.
India favor authorotarian above democracy...
Very good
Refreshing commentary from a very well informed and experienced expert!
The Russians should make territorial concessions on the Back Sea for a sustainable peace.
Thank you, Jonathan and Richard Shirreff, for this powerful conversation. Very much appreciated.
🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
Most interesting discussion
Always wonderful and insightful interviews
Always a must watch
Our concerns are so much more bearable when we see what outstanding people take outstanding action to fight Russia and other authoritarian regimes from trying to undermine and destroy our system from within. Thank you both for dedicating so much effort to inform and for staying strong.
Great choice of guest!
Another very interesting and really important conversation, thank you both, excellent work
How welcome it would be to have men and women the caliber of Sir Richard Shirreff as our presidents and prime ministers. With utmost respect from Washington State USA.
I'm not sure what Sir Richard means when he says Russia has the strategic initiative. How? I would have thought they have been losing the initiative since the early weeks and months if the war, despite their gains in the east and in Kherson.
I think he means dominates it?
There is no victory in defence when attacks do not desist. Like how Russia attacks hospitals (cyber) but it is not reciprocated.
@@foobarf8766 Yes, quite.
Because they largely set the pace & scale of the war.
F-16 training ought've been started in 2014 just in case, or at the start of the 'special operation'. The delivery and training for the planes is at minimum one year behind. If you play to draw and the enemy knows it, they'll press to checkmate harder.
Putin: Don't use foreign weapon systems in Ukraine if you don't want to escalate.
Also Putin: I will be bringing North Korean infantry into the fight....
Isn't the problem fundamentally that psycho dictators are better at nuclear blackmail than democracies?
Thank you for an informative and enjoyable interview.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Great interview. Thank you so much!
Amazing interview! Very complete and in-depth analysis on Ukraini war. I totally agree that the most bold Nato strategy toward Ukraini war is the thorougly Russian defeat in Ukraine. Slava Ukraini
Уважаемые Сэры и Пэры - русские на вас давно уже болт положили...
Udmurta obmanuli, nějakixъ ...sskixъ ne istnuje. A na perovъ i serovъ moskva poklala xiba 541 tysęču mertvyxъ moskovskixъ boltovъ odstrělanyxъ imъ vъ Ukraině, stanomъ na 28 červnja 2024.
They must think they’ll never fight NATO if they’re ok with high attrition, given NATO has nearly 10x their population. They can’t beat NATO via attrition so losing resources now and weakening themselves before a NATO war would be stupid.
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Welcome. Please comment and share. Jonathan gets among the most outstanding guests regularly. 🙂👋
We don't 'choose' to be born...we just arrive in the hope that other people will take care of us and in return we take care of them. Nobody should be allowed to be in a position to 'kill' both their own and other people because of some belief otherwise....'we are one race of humans and animals' etc.,
Thank you, Jonathan. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
The main thing that you do, and do it so well!
It's not afraid of word war three... It's a matter of a far superior force to stop Putin in Ukraine...
Outstanding conversation!
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Escalation is not Putins fallback strategy, Donald Trump is.
- It's about "looking the other way",
-Whilst your neighbour getting murdered...
I find this channel addictive. It is just too interesting.
We observers can see for ourselves that Russia has no "default strategy". They analyze the situation, ponder the alternatives, and then decide what will be for effective for them. A default strategy is a fall-back for when we don't want to think.
Still havent heard anyone make the case that citizens should care about Ukraine unless they have financial interests in natural gas or selling weapons.
A just peace for Ukraine and Russia is a lasting peace.
Foreign exploitation of resources leads to economic migration.
Exposing the lower and middle classes to social problems.
West should escalate..call Putin's bluff.
west started the bloody war,not russia
Great discussion 👍
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Excellent interview, thank you Jonathan.
The green men invasion of 2014 was the equivalent (maybe) of the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939. We just don’t recognize it yet, as we didn’t for years after ww2 had started.
Very nice Totally agreed !
U.K. has got just 40 Challeneger tanks in working order and he believes, that NATO could destroy Russia´s forces in Ukraine with conventional weapons ??? Pay atention to the Houthis: If USA can not stop the Houthis, at what magical world are they living, that they believe they can fight Russia or China ? They can not even supply Ukraine with 155mm shells… What is happening in Ukraine is on scope and scale which NATO was not even able to imagine and has no answer to it. NATO has almost no ammo left, no artillerry , no tanks, no missilles to stand up Russia. Imagine, U. K. , or some people in U.K. want to fight Russia directly while only having 40(!) Chalanger tanks in working order :) Ridicul*us NATO is a paper tiger. Nato spent 2O years learning how to fight Afghan wedding parties and Iraqi villagers, because that is pretty much what NATO was doing. NATO forgot how to do a large scale ground combat. NATO even has no means to do large scale combat. China is there for Russia, Russia is there for China.... Who is there for USA? United Kingdom with their 40(!) Chalenger tanks in working order ??? Or Germany? Germany is not only 100% out of ammo, but on the top of that Germany was even bombed by USA!!!!(Nord Stream) Ridicul*us NATO, unfortunately still able to make the mess around the globe !!!
Hi Jonathon, a quick search tells me that no, Vietnam is not a signatory to the ICC… Cheers 💖!
Great interview
I want Trump to answer the question why in 2017 he didn't stop the war in Ukraine in one day.
WHERE IS GERASIMOV ??????
14:45 WWIII, more known as the Cold War, has been lost by Muscovy on 1991. And immediately after that Muscovy has started the ongoing WWIV, once Boris Yeltsin signed so called Belovezha Accords dismissing the USSR. Which fact became evident in 1992 when Muscovy tried to annex Crimea for the first time, and then repeated those attempts three times more before the invasion of 2014.
This was not a war on world scale; ergo it couldn't be WWIll
So called Cold War consisted of countless local wars in Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America that involved dozens of countries all around the world, starting from guerilla wars in Ukraine and Lithuania, civil wars in Korea, Vietnam, Angola, coups in Chile, Cuba, Nicaragua, interventions in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Afghanistan and much more, so it was the WWIII indeed.
Thank you very much dear gentleman for your work!
looking at the history of world wars, when russia attacked ukraine i assumed we were on a path to a world war. leading up to these wars the same type of activity seems to be a preamble to a world war.
There are parallels, but we need to choose the right ones. I recall a video discussion with Prof. Timothy Snyder. One of the other speakers put forward the idea that the invasion of Ukraine was like the 1939 invasion of Poland. Prof. Snyder replied saying he felt it was more like Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938, but imagining what would have happened if the Czechs had fought back. To that extent the argument is that a Ukrainian victory will _prevent_ a more global conflict by disrupting the aggressor's plans, at the very least buying the rest of the world precious time to respond to a revanchist Russia.
The highest rank in the British army is Field Marshall, Sir Richard Shirreff was never a Field Marshall.
I like the Mountebank reference to Farage 😅
Draft all eligible Brits and Americans now! 🎉
How things have changed. When the fascists bombed Guernica, the city’s name was used for generations as a shorthand for savage, brutal attack on civilians….yet the maximum estimate for casualties is 1,650.
How many have died in Mariupol? And it is nearly forgotten…all so some countries can get back to importing cheap oil and gas, and shopkeepers and cafe owners in resorts can return to welcoming Russian tourists.
That’s an important point.
Brilliant session,thanks Jonathan 👍🇬🇧🇺🇦
Fighting with their hands tied behind their backs was NEVER a plan that leads to Ukrainians surviving as a people, let alone a country. This is a war to the finish for both sides, it's time Ukraine's backers understand that.
It’s also time that the backers of Russia understand that the Russian economy is in freefall. Very soon Russia will disintegrate as a country. Europe cannot and will NEVER accept a Russian win in Ukraine 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇸👍
The United Kingdom has a total armed force of 144,000, It does not seem that the UK cares. Why should the USA care if the UK does not ?
And you'd think the way they shout their mouths off, they'd be a force to be reckoned with. 😂
Lilliputian military!
The USA cares about democracy ( for now anyway 😑) and is a huge nation with a huge military. USA would make the difference against Putin, not the UK. But UK should care much more for their own protection.
@@klaasvakieIt's surface fleet is better than Purin's.
@@klaasvakietry fighting us.
FA and FO, as they say.
The lack of reciprocity on cyber is an understated thing, if its supposed to be non lethal why not use it more