Audi 2.7t Timing Belt. B5 S4, C5 ALLROAD and A6 with 2.7t
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2017
- UPDATE: 12-3-17. If you Install the right timing belt cover before the viscous fan pulley the right timing belt cover will go on easier.
After removing the front bumper. Remove the inter-cooler shroud. This will allow the lock carrier to move further forward. This part was missing from the car I was working on.
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If you are doing the job with the vehicle in the service position. Removing the vibration damper and viscous fan pulley bolts is done mostly by feel...you cannot see them from above.
Align the timing mark back to the same position it was before you remove it then rock left + right to feel for the notch in the pulley.
To install the viscous fan pulley, catch the top-most small 5mm bolt in the pulley first, then the other bolt afterwards. The other internal bolt is located about 85-90% right of the viscous fan thread when looking down on the pulley.
The camshaft sprocket bolt size is 16mm socket.
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Piece of cake, one good day and a half or 2 just to keep it a little longer and do double or triple checks.
Nothing wrong with that! GJ!
I usually hate videos with the text-to-speech voices, but for once it was used as intended. Thanks for a great upload!
I am glad you see the benefit of it. One can create videos in multiple languages. For example, if i ever need a Spanish or German version of this video, one can easily do it.
Thanks for watching.
Patrick Neil do you have a shop, if so what is the contract information?
Very informative indeed showing all specs. A hell of a procedure to be sure. Patrick Neil, thank you for sharing this, cheers.
Thanks John. I have another video coming up that show how to partially remove the belt without setting the timing from scratch.
I drive a '99 A4 Quattro 2.8L and bank 1 (cyl. 1 2 3) are misfiring. Changed bank 1 CPM (cam position sensor) and no change. This leads me to believe the cam has jumped a tooth. I'm looking for cam locking tool 3391 and puller T40001. I will attempt to do this without removing everything on the front of the car. If you know a lead on this please share. Thanks, cheers.
Good Job Patrick, it's Jean from Allied Aviation
Thanks bro. Keep working on those 8 x 4 Jet-A trucks. Miss the job, but gotta move on to better things.
Great video with very clear instructions. One extra thing I always do to be 100% certain everything lines up is to use Tippex or a small white touch up brush a few small lines across the belt and every toothed sprocket before removing the belt. Then carefully transfer the white lines to the new belt exactly and when you fit the new belt they should all align. I find this give me extra peace of mind as even with TDC marks and locking tools, a sprocket can easily move by one tooth and may not be noticed.
When you mark, you are basically following the last guy that set the timing, so for piece of mind, do it from scratch.
If you have no tools, then you have no choice.
Thanks for watching.
@@pnswg01 Yes, that's true but I will have already checked that the timing is otherwise correct with all factory markers aligning first (i.e. from scratch). You will also know whether the timing was already out from the last timing belt change as the engine will run badly. My point was that by just relying on factory marks, it is possible to put the belt on one tooth out as shown in the video with the crankshaft pulley. If you also mark all sprockets with tippex, you are guaranteed to have matched the last timing belt, which you have checked with marks anyway. We basically agree !
Got you.
This is an incorrect way to set timing and can lead you over stretch the belt. And you are not resetting the timing, you are copying the current timing. This car is timed with tools not marks. The sprocket is meant to spin freely and doesn't have timing marks, because the cam sprocket position does not matter. To make sure the engine is in time perfectly, spin the engine 2 times by hand and reinstall the tools. If they both go in without effort, you are in time.
@@Nemesis2747 In response, if you read my comments I actually said this was an additional action to checking all marks with TDC so it therefore cannot be incorrect . It was an additional action. It doesn’t stretch the belt as the tipped or paint is minimal.
This is incredible...thank you
Thanks for watching!
Great job well detailed 👏
Thanks.
Wow just wow so much work you
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had i only memorized this before attempting to do this... I left out the pre-tensioning part before removing the cam locking tool. I still don't get why you need to lock the cams with that PIA crankshaft locking pin 3242 if you are locking the cams with the front locking tool. this is the BEST video on how to work with this miserable job. thanks for doing this. really good work.
It is just a safe way of making sure the bottom end (crankshaft) don't turn during the procesure. (When tensioning or installing the belt etc.)
Since the camshafts are free to rotate before they are pressed on, if you are not careful the crankshaft can move slightly. It can be done without it if you mark the crankshaft gear 0 position and make sure it don't move. (Similar to the method used for 4 cylinder engines)
Great job now i have confident, gonna do my s4 soon using your video ask my guide
Thanks. Give yourself a lot of time. Don't rush the job. Tips: Vibration damper and viscous fan pulley bolts. Ensure that your hex socket bottom out in the bolt head before twisting. In other words, tap on the socket before you turn. This ensure that the socket won't slip which can cause stripping. Also have another person help in removing the viscous fan.
Piece of piss I did it without the tool it looks scary don't be afraid TDC Cams big holes facing in straight edge line um up. Turn the Crank by hand first make sure you good. Good compression good engine. Looks harder
@@pnswg01 I stripped one of those vibration damper bolts..had to weld another bolt to it. Nightmare, absolute nightmare. lol
@@anicrow Always knock the hex socket into the bolt before you turn. Rust and debris build up and prevent the hex socket\Allen key from going in deep. If the socket not inserted deep enough they will strip.
@@chris425amp7 I've done this successfully no tools on cams too.. no removal.. just turned by hand , crank too and make sure nothing moved , we got another 2.7 and hoping I can do again successfully no tool,
Amazing video. This is the correct way to do your timing. DONT MARK PEOPLE!
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great video man thanks!!
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Great video!
Joe Dasilva Thanks Sir.
thanks for your video
Amazing video thank you.
My son and I just did this today, May 1 2020. This video helped. Anyone wanna buy a 1999 Audi A6? New water pump and timing belt!!! 🤣🤣
Thanks for watching. Don't know if you are serious about selling the car, but I don't know anyone.
Very nice
Great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks ..
A bit late but i found removing the AC compressor completely the easiest way to get access to lock the crank (with the engine in the car, S4 B5, dont know about A6)
Look at the position of the thermostat! The best of this engine is it is not in any of my cars! Luckily!
Thanks!
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Why replace water pump? Just cause you’re already in there?
We always used cheap squeeze clamps on the cam gears to keep them in time. Never had to remove cam pulleys? Audi can make a paper clip cost $500. If you use good timing belts, they have timing marks on them. ...and if you know how to time these things, it helps. They sure are awesome to drive, and profitable to work on.
You remove the pulleys to time it 100%.
If you put on a new belt and tighten the belt with the tensioner the cams might rotate a slight bit and get out of time a fraction. By removing the cam pulleys they can move freely on the camshaft without changing the timings and thus you time it 100%.
Just bought a used one with 200,000km on it. Not sure what's been done, I'm gonna start with this..... wish me luck
You will be fine, just prepare for the down time. Don't rush.
Good night friend. do you have the service manual for this car?
ok... im going to the shop
Or you can buy a warranty plan as I did and let someone else do it!!!
I pray for your wallet
This job is insane. The fuck was Audi thinking of?
QUESTION: The other day OI removed the right front headlight assembly to change the signal bulb. Should I be able to see my timing belt exposed ? Which is exactly what I thought I was looking at once the headlight was out. I was expecting it to be behind some kind of covering.
Timing belt is protected behind a guard. If its not covered, guard is missing or broken. Make sure you are looking at the right belt .
Will the timing belt breaking while driving ruin the engine on an 03 Allroad Audi with a 2.7?
Yes it will.
Hello Neil. Can you pls tell me if I can fit an Ecu for a 2.8l gas onto a 2.7l Audi a6? Thx a lot.
Noore Tautaya Sorry I don't know.Try Audizine forum.
If you didn't replace the camshaft seals why then did you remove the camshaft gears?
The camshaft locking tool holds the camshaft in its place, but a new belts different & needs the gears revised into the correct place, the difference is minute, but enough to change the valve timing.
Very Very nice
Looking at your video I’m guessing my problem is water leaking out the thermostat housing. Without taking anything apart it looks like it’s coming from there. Water leaks out rapidly as soon as fill the coolant tank and seems to be just above alternator location
Common problem. They make the housing out of plastic. Aluminum would probably last a lifetime. It could also be coming from the water pump. If Audi had given us 5 inches (12.7 cm.) more space in front it would be easier to check.
@@pnswg01 really love the allroad but starting to get many problems at 170000 km ( 105000 miles) motor still seems to run well though. As you mention if they put a bit more effort into quality would last much longer. Hoping new vehicles like the Tesla cybertruck have much longer life spans.
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Hi Patrick my cylinder is at TDC ( the pulleys are aligned but the tool won’t quite fit over the camshaft sprockets. Pins on the left camshaft sprocket don’t look quite level. So once the tool is on the right sprocket it won’t quite fit over the left and Large hole on tool and pins are slightly off. Any thoughts as how to remedy that?
Ps. It’s on the correct stroke.
There are 2 TDC. If the timing was correct, the 2 larger holes in the oblong washer will be inwards (facing each other) if you are at the correct TDC. If not, rotate 360 degrees.
Some time they are slightly off. Release the tension from the belt then use the tool to line them up. MAKE SURE THE MARK ON THE PULLEY ALSO LINE UP after the tool is securely on. LOCK the crankshaft. Everything should now be at the right spot to change the belt.
@@pnswg01 Thanks for reply. It’s at the correct TDC but if I force the tool on there the the mark on the pulley will be off by about 10mm. Will give your suggestion a try 👍🏻
@@pnswg01 thanks that worked well 👍🏻
Great tutorial, thanks. Could do with a real voice though, makes it more interesting
Thanks. This video was very time consuming to make. If I didn't use voice synthesis it would never get published yet. I use the software to proof read the script...then decide to use the audio. This can be helpful though, translating to other languages that I don't speak, for example.
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If I buy a Audi with a v6 or v anything imma make sure the timing was done with proof Effie I buy one lol the Audi’s with 2.0t are easy
Hello, its inch pounds and foot pounds!! Not oounds inch or pounds feet!!
2 x 4 = 8 and 4 x 2 = 8. Commutative Property. Its a controversy thing. I use both ways.
He didnt tell how to match timing belt with marks
Match timing belt with what mark(s)? plural with and S, meaning more than one? If you are using the tools in the video, there is only one mark to think about and it was shown in the video. (TDC mark)
People make timing marks when they are not using these special tools. The method shown here is exactly how the manufacturer said it suppose to be done.
The only way to do the job correct is using the correct tools. What happen if the last guy that did the timing was not that precise. (Not so much off to throw an error code) or the belt stretch a bit.
Marking how you found it mean the same non-precise timing will be set after you do the job. Don't repeat what others have done by marking. If your mechanic use the marking method, take your car somewhere else.
@@pnswg01 this is the case right now with my car....water pump was replaced before i bought it and has always had a hesitation on takeoff...i found that the timing is about 1/2 tooth off ...so marking wasnt a option...i bought the correct tool to help with the job (3391)
this video does its job i guess, but theres way better ones that tell u how to match it up to the marks, saving u money also because u dont need that cam lock bar at all nor the crank pully lock.
cameryn haroldson I see one of them for sale. But it jump timing. But he his asking $2000. It's a 2005 tt 225 Quattro. Please tell me what you think.
There are two kinds of mechanics. The ones that follow manufacturer instructions and the ones that don't.
Sure you can mark how you found it..assuming it was good. If you rather assume it was good, then go ahead with your mark method and watch the other videos that are way better.
This is one of the best mechanical instructional videos I have seen
shred NW Thanks. It took a lot of time to make this video because I want it to be different from the others.
I want to have the best views so I wait until I have an engine outside of the car.
I also wanted to illustrate by using arrows to point to the parts I am referring to.
The only thing is, I should have narrate it my self but I didn't have the time. Naration is hard work if you're not use to it.
Patrick Neil the text to speech narration actually works really well for this purpose. I am moderately mechanically inclined and feel more confident about this job on an allroad I just got. But I might just have someone do it lol. I would be happy to see more clear detailed videos like this from you!
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Wtf, this is insane. What were these audi engineers thinking. Why not put a chain in the first place? It is a great motor but this is bullshit, you need to take apart half the car for a regular maintenanced component. Shame on them. Otherwise many thanks for the video and all the trouble showing what it takes.
You're right about that. Some of the 4.2 litre V8 engines use chain drive, but they decide to place it at the rear of the engine instead of the front.
The chain guides usually fail prematurely. You have to remove the engine to replace them.
or just set it on fire and claim insurance = win and no stress=)
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Lol
to just change my thermostat have to take out every piece of 💩🤮
Bad translation!
Thanks for watching. Sorry for making this really bad video.
@@pnswg01 Hello my Friend,i mean not the video but the sound.
The video is great.
Greetings from Rudi (Germany)
@@rudireiling9985 Thanks. I understand.
@@pnswg01 Ok i wish you a nice time!
Over priced piece of crap 💩, too much complication for timing belt, these cars are over engineered just with one solely purpose, to make you let your bank account at the dealership.