DAMN RIGHT DANGEROUS !!!! PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- Disconnecting a dangerous shower with added crapness from a plumber.
Priced to rewire the lot so I’m back to put it right.
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That is such a professional job - lovely to see an expert at work and turn what was a complete dogs dinner into something that is safe and compliant.
Unbelievable Chris that someone can get away with such a dangerous installation, think you may have saved lives here, well done as usual, fab work.
Amazing how poor some work is. Cowboys.
Don’t go for the cheapest quote. It’s cheap for a reason.
How shit is it that you go through 4 years of college working your arse off on apprentice wage and learning the job properly on peanuts, only to find potential customers are getting in do it all handymen who undercut qualified people 😂 and they still reckon that the handymen have done worlds best job lol
That grunt at 2:33 😂. When things are even worse than you thought, and you started off thinking they were bloody awful
You are a nice chap doing a professional job for your clients. Hope they appreciate your efforts.
Nice job Chris. I've lost track of the number of shower switches I've seen that looked like that. When the customer says the switch doesn't work it's guaranteed to be burnt out. And that plumber needs stringing up for cutting off the cpc!!!!
Thank god for Urea Formaldehyde, if that DP switch was cheap thermoplastic, that place would've burned down. Great job, making the installation safe and compliant.
Chris with a quick clean with a wire brush that shower switch will go again 😂. And top tips that bath and plug trick nice job 👍
That’s one house fire saved 😀 nice 👍
I've recently moved from iCertifi to Electraform. Electraform have a single circuit installation certificate, no more filling in 10 sheets for a single circuit install 👍
Sorry but square plate shower pull switches are a nightmare.
Where people want a pull cord, either new work or a replacement, I use a Crabtree 2167.
They're made to fix solidly to the joist with big screws and have lovely radiused cable entries.
You make the connections after the switch is secured.
The neon is in the cover, nice for meggering.
Never had a comeback with them.
I've moved house quite a bit in the past and I never take for granted that an existing shower is safe. If I can I always fit a pumped thermostatic shower but that's just for my peace of mind.
This is the UK, we've all got houses like this and we pay through the nose for them!
I had to laugh at the put the plug in bit - Thats my first rule in a kitchen or bathroom - srews turn into bouncing rubber in bathrooms !!! LOL
A tip,get yourself a piece of old carpet to lay in the bath,can save damage to the finish,if you drop one of your tools, & add a floorboard saw (has a short stiff blade) to your tool kit,it still has it uses,even if you have a multitool.
Stuart Andrews Just use a towel from the nearby towel rail!
Speaking on behalf of the plumbing trade, professional plumbers have a technical term for plumbers who perform electrical work like that: pricks ;)
You are a top man for doing the job as it should.....properly!
Huge improvement to what was a disaster area. When it comes to a one off installation, people dont seem to understand the enormous risk they are taking to lives and property by employing non professional operators,especially where contact with water is concerned. By employing low cost, substandard equipment and materials, are endangering themselves and facilitating the destruction of their property through fire hazards. Job well done !!
What is it with earth. It's so important, people like to go on about rcbo's, plastic consumer units etc but so many sparks can't earth anything, adaptable boxes, SWA, entire showers!, and don't even get me started on plumbers doing it!!!!
Very interesting vid Chris. The plumber who did that wants shooting, a testament to somebody who should not be allowed tools. Honestly it makes my blood boil that a tradesmen would do this and no doubt taking advantage of the client.
I guess that you have to balance the horror and annoyance against the satisfaction of a safe and tidy job. Well done.
Another good video Chris. Guys like yourself are raising standards within the industry. Sadly that won’t stop work like this until heavier penalties and tighter restrictions are introduced
Jeez that was nasty. Good job there are proper pro's like you working safely, and actually CARING about what they do. I don't know how much satisfaction you get from jobs like this, but even as a viewer I feel better knowing it's safe now.
Worst one I ever saw was a 3 phase motor for the swimming pool cover at a public pool. Wired in 2.5 swa through a 4 pole rcd straight off the 200 amp main. Over current protection? Nah you don’t need that we’ve got an rcd. Done by the swimming pool specialists. Thought fing too right whoever did that was special. Excellent videos thanks.
Nice job Chris, cannot believe someone didn’t get hurt
I was wondering where my comb went, haven't seen it since I put that shower in. hope you left it there for me.
Plumbers are a pain, I went to an evening call earlier in the week as a plumber went to drain a water cylinder earlier in the day which was reported as needing replacing as it was leaking, but just did a repair to an old pipe going into the cylinder , I got a callout saying water coming through the living room ceiling and to check electrics.
Chris, is heating water with what you call an immersion heater over in the UK cost prohibitive ? As i see so many of these electric showers. Here in New Zealand it's common practice to heat your hot water electrically and pipe it to your bath room.
It would be nice to see all manufacturers put double brass screw terminals in shower and cooker switches
Click PRW211 has twin screw terms
@@SolisNotSolis I took a faulty 45 amp Crabtree shower pullswitch out recently That had twin terminal screws and replaced it with an identical Crabtree shower pullswitch but the new one just had single screws
Top Job as always Chris, keep them up! 👍😁. You did well to get a 40A 3871.. there like rocking horse 💩 to get hold of! 😂
seen that loads Chris, it's not that the plumbers don't care, they just don't know, which is the same reason why I don't install pipes & kitchens, I don't have a scooby about them!
Good video mate
Never gets any better out there Chris.
Found a 10kw shower last year in 2.5 🙄
They used the old immersion feed.
And before the calculation c***s jump on me the run was well over 15mtrs 🙄
No RCD and was fitted by a plumbing company.
No cert but do they ever eh?
Keep the faith😊👍
Earlier this year some chap posted in a Facebook group that his neighbour's shower switch kept burning out. He posted that in a mainly German group and everyone was quite confused but eventually we got a clear picture. That neighbour lived in Georgia (the former Soviet republic, not the US state) and the local "electrician" had apparently spent some time working in the UK. That explained the shower pull cord and the old-colour T&E but it didn't explain the burnt neutral. The fact that the genius had used 2.5 T&E did though! Instead of owning up he just kept replacing the switches! In the end the neighbour managed to find the only properly qualified electrician in the entire region and the mess was fixed.
Love the work Chris, although I still find it unsettling having a live feed into a shower, you just don't see it in Australia (at least these days). Usually tank hot water feeding the whole house, gas or electric. But people aren't dropping dead everyday taking showers over there and they look pretty well made, just the shocking (pardon the pun) installation that lets them down.
We have been using electric showers in the U.K for years, I should think by now they would have been banned if they were dangerous. A lot of properties in the Uk don't have water tanks these days for hot water, mine was taken out over 15 years ago.
the one problem with electric showers is that they rely on the amount of water going through to get the heat, so more water means a cooler shower, less water means a hotter shower, but there is no feeling to the water as it hits your body if you know what I mean.
I gave up using all square shower switches. Swear by the round Crabtree ones. NEVER had a failure.Tails look a bit thin and what about the main fuse? What trunking size did you use?
Running your 10sq through a 40A/50A contractor from the board solves all this. Then 1.5 twin brown or multi core if you want a neon from contractor to standard 10A switch or 20A double pole with neon. Best way to wire these showers to avoid this.
I was just going to say this. Only I was going to spell it contactor 😉.And it also can save on the cost of a 50 and switch.. Which pays for the contactor.
Having just clicked on to this video I can’t believe anyone can install something like that a certain deathtrap. I’m not an electrician but can understand the frustration of DIY do called electrician. Unbelievable.
If you can keep hold of that switch and all the other burny bits from jobs, you should start a museum of bad electrical work.
It'll smell a bit fishy, burnt electical plastic usually does
I have a drawer filled with stuff gone spectacularly bad, I call it the black museum
All respect to you. Rare tradesman.
Another fab video Chris, and more to the point a Rolls Royce job to replace a death trap. Truly shocked (pardon the pun) that even the most idiotic of fools would think it OK to shove a terminal block in a wall likely to be wet on that. Worst I ever saw was back in the late 1980's (yes I'm that old!) when I found an oven wired in 4.0mm to a 5a MK Logic lightswitch for an "isolator" at one end and a taped joint of the 4mm onto some ancient red and black single insulated singles (possibly old meter tails) jammed straight into a Henley block under the meter. Not even via the consumer unit main switch, let alone any over current protection. some people eh?! Keep up the good work.
Jesus 😱 that pull cord was deadly 😲
The plumber must have been called Dangerous Dan, that was a shit job that had been done before, some people really don't give a toss about their work , good job in making the house safer and your work is bang on 🤗🤗🇬🇧🤗
Lucky you finding a Wylex nb40, they are hard to come by, I know proteus made a replacement but even they have stopped that.
Yeah lucky to get that one it was at at premium £55
CJR ELECTRICAL sometimes it’s worth just paying to save time and hassle, I’ve seen them on eBay regularly go for around the £60 mark. I’ve got a few put away but will be used for those “special” jobs that I feel deserve it 😁
@@Cjrelectrical wtf, think I must have chucked dozens of those in the bin 😱
@@lewistempleman9752 Your not the only one...
I know this is old but why did you use crimp terminals in the shower cover and not any where else in the same circuit?
Because if I heard correctly the ceiling switch had failed twice surely assuming the switches were correctly rated then the ceiling switch would need them as well.
This is a good video. What a abhorant installation.
I have been back to replace ones that I have already replaced ,ones that I know the connections were tight..Do the regs require a switch at all. Do they use any juice on standby with just the neon power light lit. I like the idea of the contactor at the DB and a twin 1.5 switching circuit... Incidently. In Thailand (where the electrics are well dodgy) all the electric showers have a built in rcd. Why can't we have that here?
As a dreaded DIY'er I can see that is a shocker. That whole bathroom needs to come out as well, as the water will most certainly be going down the back of the bath looking at that crappy mastic and trim, and be rotting out the floor.
Hi sear . One question what kind of crimping pliers do you use ? Are they knipex or cheap solution from China. Thanks.
As someone from the continental Europe i find your UK cables and switches a bit strange.
Earth cable whit no insulation, pull cord switches.
I do like power boxes for plug connectors whit swich and a fuse, realy nice
Reminds me of a shower in a hostel. Naked wires connected to an inline heater but at least the earth was connected!
Them square pull cords are a nightmare. Click /Crabtree do a 50amp round version. Much easier to get the 10mm terminated into
Great job Chris good to see you made it up to spec
Are you required to do all those tests on every install in your country?
Chris not far from retirement as a qualified sparks now apart from temp non electrical work on the sea front in Dorset ( due to recent injury) which is nice in this weather. Painting beach huts lol. I used to hate the bodgers that used to think it clever throwing the work in. I know you cannot tar all the young sparks but many ruined the trade by rough work and willing to work through their lunch breaks. You are a class sparks that has pride in their work a dying breed unfortunately.
8.36. Nothing more worrying than hearing a hissssss!😂 when you haven’t got the board fully up.
One point you missed (as do many others) ..... You need to contact the Electric Board for the area!
The Cutout is missing a crutch plate and you have single insulated cable on the live. It probably has a 400A fuse covering it at the substation so the results of a short there are significant! One phone call telling them there is a new cutout needed as it is an A07 (code for live exposed metalwork) and you are Golden.
As an added Brucie Bonus the new cutout is a freebie! ;0)
Good job. I retired a shower last week in 10mm which had been on 2.5 for years spurred off the immersion circuit. . NICEIC online works well on an iPad. Also you can’t lose certificates as they are on the cloud. Is it really worthwhile to do live to neutral IR tests. The 18th edition NIC certificate now only lists live to earth and live to live now. In fact if a circuit is RCD protected then you are going to get decent IR readings anyway.
if a circuit is RCD protected then you are going to get decent IR readings anyway., how come?
Geoff Ball Because low insulation resistance signifies a fault or breakdown of the cable due to ageing or mechanical damage, either of which which will trip the RCD
Great vid, awesome socks! What are the metal clips.you use to secure your cable and trunking? Thanks 👍
I think it’s if there’s a fire and the trunking melts, the clips will keep the electric cables fastened to the wall.
@@Brando1667 cheers for that. Any idea what they are called?
@@labelectrical fire rated clips
lee bruce SAFE-D CLIPS i believe.
Few companies doing those clips now but I'd use the ones manufactured by D Line. They do various types of fire rated clip.
Cracking video, very interesting.
Great video mate. Pick up lots of tips and tricks from you
Chris, what was the reason why that shower switch and cable burnt up like that? I'm not an electrician, but i had the same problem with mine within 3 -4 years after it was fitted by a builder. when i confronted him he said i must have been staying in the shower too long.
Providing the circuit has been designed and installed correctly most of the time it’s loose connections and high load. Once a year they should be checked for tightness.
Chris, what do you do regarding the existing circuit(s) in the bathroom?
Excellent work and thanks for the content stay safe and take care
For every ten plumbing problems since moving in, I have zero electrical ones.
No Oscar for today's Camera work Chris ??
Please get a head camera
I'm a little bit jealous of your socks, Chris!
The problem with most of these type of jobs is there is nothing to stop an unqualified person doing what they think is a good job. i.e. twisting 2 earth wires together. It is really up to the government to have a similar scheme like gas safe for electrical work. I am aware that unqualified people are not allowed to run cables but I bet that doesn't stop them. At least Chris saved a life.
Looks like a B&Q homefit special 🤣
Some people just have no pride in their work! keep up the good videos
I was asked to wire an instant heat shower, and the client, said I have been out and bought a pull switch for it and handed me a lighting pull switch.He could not understand why I said I could not use a lighting pull switch for a 9kw shower.
How many isolation valves do they need on the water supply to the shower 😂
Probably got some extra stopcocks for when they need to isolate the stopcock ;-)
Top man and top job cheers Chris
Have you run into porcelain peg single wire non-insulated conductor? Joist to joist with flammable loose fiber tossed on top.
Nice Job. Do you ever put a tongue test on to check current draw?
That burned out switch looks just like one I found in a house my partner and I used to rent. Apparently the dumb landlord fancied himself as an elechicken. Two shower units, can't remember the ratings daisychained together on one supply. Loose connections throughout, nightmare... and then I looked in the loft 😱
I have to agree with you on the standard of workmanship. How do these people sleep at night? I can totally get why you're so annoyed.
An instant heat shower that I came across in a flat, had been wired off of the cooker switch in the kitchen the other side of the wall.The tenant could not understand when having a shower and the cooker was on in the kitchen, the circuit kept tripping out.
For a second I thought that was a Nagy bendy thumb reference at the end
Not all toilets have fixing holes in the back, why I dont know!
Key budget meter
FML
The days before before the internet
If the next job has had a CU fitted by another spark, why is he getting a different spark to do the shower job? It would be in the back of my mind that either the spark who fitted the CU was no good, or there is a issue with the customer.
Either way I would be warry of the next shower job.
Stay well.
That needs to be priced as a full install
That’s terrifying. They’re lucky to still have a house.
Well done great job
No rcd test? Or was that done off cam? God so much more wrong there that needs doing... Good job
Makes you wonder what else was done in the place over the years. Wonder what horrors a full EICR would show up
What a nightmare-Chris !
Nightmare chris !! I come across this 💩 all the time. Let me guess was it the old 10.5kw shower on the 6mm trick ? Or just bad connections mate 👍
It was a 9.5kw shower badly installed
Great job! Great Electrician! shame about the cowboy who installed this in the first place!!!!
The insulation to the left at 7.36 looks like Boris Johnson
Very short tails inside the pull switch chris I’m assuming you are leaving some slack in the loft to allow the cables to slide back up but i find that leaving short tails makes it harder to get tight connections in first place/ future and leads to exactly the issues you found here. . Personally I steer clear of pull switches for 10mm.
only pull switches worthy of 10.0mm are crabtree 50A ,forget anything else as not up to the job.
I’ve used those round Crabtree ones and found them to be a waste of time. If you dress your cables in correctly in order then the click scolmore switch is absolutely fine.
CJR ELECTRICAL but it didn’t look like you dressed the cables you had them as little stubs ?
@@Cjrelectrical Hager Sollysta ones are pretty good.
Hey ,Chris. Have you ever tried running the shower through a contractor? You can then use a 10amp pull cord. Much less hassle than a 45amp pull cord!! Great vid.
But have you got to run another cable to the switch? Then buy a contactor and enclosure,bigger trunking as well if you used it for this job.
@@tomedwards4489 hey tom. I run a 10sq t+e from the board direct to the shower. Then a 1.5mm twin brown to the pull cord. 40 amp n/o contractor, 40rcbo and 6amp control mcb at the board. It's a little bit more work but I just hate those 45amp pull cords!!!
richard harris if you try buying the Crabtree round 45amp pull cord they are a piece of piss to fit 👍
@@richardmennell5745 cheers I'll give them a go.
And then someone else has to listen to the contactor thud every time it goes off and on, horrible things.
Nice one mate 👍
Great job and video
It does make you think looking at the video, I live in a rented housing association accommodation and had my shower put in by the landlord's electricians, but who is to say they did a good job?
Never mind the screws falling in the bath tub...those socks, are they electrical dept issues?😉
Liking the socks 😂
Horrific plumbing 🤦🏻♂️
When the plumber says he tested the shower all he did was turn it on.
And one wonders how houses go on fire...Jeeeeze!
The wire coat hook looks great! What a pile of shite!
Ooft your socks 🙈🤣
How much was the bet?
Nice and crispy..
Nice work and nice shorts
Socks are beter, is it a Scotish clan patern like the kilt weave?
Im not from UK, pardon my question
That is just scary!
Hope you noggined under the left side of that board when you put it back 😉
Yep always carry a good length of 2x2 on the van for this very reason.