Patrice was abondoned by his father and said elsewhere that he felt it had cost him dearly in his life haing no guidance yet he tries to defend the position of men who do the same thing. This guy was committed to being rigourously honest, fair and balanced in a way that most academic philosphers can only dream of.
He wasn’t defending it. It was Him trying to explain it and it’s heart breaking to hear him to be honest. You can tell that it’s the root of his low self esteem. When he was saying that a child is just nut, he was really putting himself in the child’ positions as to what he thinks his father thought of him. I can’t really tell what was the better path for him because on one hand if he had his father, who knows if he would have turned out to be such a brilliant comic. On the other, you can tell that the only thing that got in between his way from making it big was himself. As much as he thought it was because of his “honesty” it wasn’t. There lots of artists who are honest and are world famous ie Dave Chapelle, Bill Burr and Kanye West. Rather it was his self sabotaging that got in the way. He routinely handicaps himself from opportunities and burns bridges that didn’t need to be burnt and justifies it in his own twisted ways. On some level, he has to know he was on his BS. He’s way too intellectual and perceptive for that. RIP to the big man.
A lot of people make tis mistake in thinking. Understanding doesn't mean approving of. Patrice dared to entertain a tought without the fear of embracing it. Sign of his genius. RIP
Nils wow! You got it! Nirvana ! I think he was a pure genius. No doctorate, no multiple degrees. His thought process was phenomenal ! I. Miss him! Badly. I listen to these recordings constantly. More respect for men thereafter. Knowing MENS thought process, brings, unemotionally, more understanding. I loved this 'elephant in the room' schooling and wish more women would just listen to him.
Jeff is listening just like a woman and completely missing the goddamn point. Patrice said 3 or 4 times he wouldn't leave a child, but like most women Jeff twisted the conversation to fit a point he wanted to make.
Chris Tre it didn't sound as though there was any pain about not knowing his father: just fact. His comment about men never looking for their children, as mothers do, made sense. Maury proves that on almost every show he's done for years. His thinking/reasoning/statements still ring true. I try ly believe there was no pain involved.
@@erinmaree1987 not true, women are generally more agreeable than men are as per the big 5 personality types. While I would never condone a man not looking after his own seed, it just makes sense that the most disagreeable men, especially coupled with low levels of neuroticism won't really feel too much emotional qualm about having a child and walking away. In order to understand how people like this can exist you must be willing to see things in their eyes or you'll never be able to combat this when you come across it.
All Patrice is saying is, men don't have a natural connection to a child. Therefore, he understands how a man could leave a woman he never loved even though she's having said child. What Jeff is talking about is what people SHOULD do, which is obviously a completely different topic.
Agreed Ahamd. This is why manginas like Jeff get taken to child support or divorce court. They get so attached to feelings and emotions and don't realize that having children are for selfish women ( which is 60% of the country)
They do have a connection with the child bro just not the same way not the same intensity. It would be a tough choice nonetheless. If you were raised by somebody who stayed, you wouldn't just fly off the bat. Patrice has valid points in this but in the end he has the experience of a kid that never saw his father. Life thaught him that way.
Wow Jeff....just wow. All Patrice is saying is he can UNDERSTAND how someone could do something that he wouldn't do. Like, I UNDERSTAND how someone could commit a murder, or a theft, but I'm not saying it's right, or that I would do it. Jeff seems to think Patrice is ADVOCATING abondoning kids. Yeah...
If Jeff wasn't there to counter him Ig most of us wouldnt have known Patrice's point, its through several questions and articulation of jeff that Patrice made us clear what his point was
Cause Jeff wouldn’t have new chicks to hit on. His supply will dwindle if men abandon babies. He’s likes his women to be issues of having a father too available.
Jeff sounded very dense here. O'Neal wasn't saying leaving your kid was acceptable, he's saying that instinctively, men don't have as much attachment to the kid because of the fact that they have so much sperm (potential life) to spare. If a woman is just a woman to them, then sex is like masturbation to them. Whereas a woman not only has to take care of the child (at the very minimum 9 months), but women are very limited by how many eggs they have (how much life they can make).
I like how patrice is just plainly saying raw truth while everyone else attempts to dance around the subject yet still proving his talking points as facts
These old patrice podcast are like the bible. All honesty over everything Ive listened carefully and implied his principles into how I act with girls & got more girls in 012 then I have in my whole life. None of that being a nice guy trying to play by their rules....Just be a man and be positive. It attracts, shit is amazing
Don't think you're special just because you're the apartment building for the baby. It's not your body, it's the baby's body. But kill it, I don't give a fuck. Brilliant.
wow. Jeff sounds like a little girl. If you buy a flower and watch it grow, there is a detachment next to someone who gets the seed, pot, soil and waters it everyday. Difference in closeness! Men and Women.
The most amazing book by Patrice would have been what men needed to understand,whoever is responsible for makibg him part of o and , thank you so much, that we have these to listen to.
Jeff is trying to take this conversation away from the point that Patrice is making. The logic that patrice is applying is clear. And jeff sees that but he was so adamant about not agreeing with his logic because he was trying to relate Patrice making that point of understanding to a sentiment of condoning the behavior. I do not condone stealing, but I can understand why a hungry person would do it. Good discussion.
I find this to be true. I’ve always brought up controversial opinions, and people would be all “hush-hush”, despite the the truth and reality. They never wanted to shake up the status quo, but sometimes YOU HAVE TO to reveal the truth. Honest. Conversation.
It's interesting and sad that Patrice realized when he was 40 years old (two years after this recording and about 2 years before his death) how negatively his life was impacted by not having a father.
Patrice is rationalizing his father's behavior and since he never had a chance to talk to him, he never got to hear his father's side so he doesn't think his father has any emotions towards him. I don't think men are coded to be freeballing sperm banks nor women coded to be providers. The way our systems work just lean towards these interactions. Many male species guard their "seed" and kill the other male's "seed" so its own can survive. The female species don't make these males behave like this, so there is a lot of nuance that goes into the whole reproduction cycle. Most importantly, we can't make up people's positions without talking to them. He really needed to hear his father's side. It might have really influenced him but he was too prideful probably much like his father.
1. He wouldn't leave a child 2. He understands why (some) men leave if there is no attachment to the mother and he just nuts To me it makes sense as well. We get attached as men when we see our child but if we just nut and leave and don't care about the mother, it's not so big deal for us. Exceptions exist but I still understand it.
its weird, after seeing all this data on hypergamy, it seems like its the opposite, that women can't love men the way men love women. but that seems too hopeless so I just focus on my life, and never lower my standards, which are too high lol
I don’t think a women can truly love a man like a man loves a woman (mentally). Sure, women can show love physically, but can they truly love a guy unconditionally? No. They get over guys much easier than guys get over them. I’ve known guys that still love the same woman years and years after they split up. But do I know any women that still love a guy 1-2 years after splitting up? Not really, unless the couple split up when they were much older. Women also naturally look for resources. If a guy doesn’t have resources anymore, that’s it. And like Patrice said, don’t get mad at them for it. That’s just their nature.
@@DeAngelo77 The thing is, its always suppose to be the woman chasing the man. And it is always a man's fault if he gets himself in a situation where he is always chasing her. As once a woman realizes she has control over you she will abuse it for as long as you let her, or when she eventually gets tired of you.
You don't agree with Patrice understanding why his father did what he did? oh wait, you said "if you cannot cherish your own seed.." Now where in this conversation did Patrice say he wouldn't take care of his own kid?
I can be bitch ass about some shit too. Not trying to offend. But, what Patrice is selling here isn't just some mentality. That was a strong message towards all women and some men who grew up without a relationship with their fathers.
I hate it when people can't successfully listen to some shit with the exact message intended delivered. They catch the tone of what someone says and can't grasp what that someone is saying and interpret something else. Mainly bitch ass people suffer from this disorder. No offense though. Patrice raised a child that wasn't even his.Of course he would cherish his own seed. He understands his father doing that shit and doesn't take it badly now so his self esteem is better. Not promoting bad dads.
Exactly, too many out there misinterpret 'reason to explain' for 'justification to excuse'. Outright justifications are substantially rare compared to explanations
Men spread their seed far and wide only in the lower end species, and the lower end cultures. There are 2 strategies for men to pass on their genes: 1. Sire as many kids as you can and hope that some survive somehow and 2. Have a limited number of quality children (with a quality woman/quality women) and make damn sure that they survive. Cultures where men are highly invested in their children and thus have only as many as they can support now rule the world and have the best quality of life.
Women will spite the man a lot of times with not allowing him to see his kids as well. Whether she despises him because of the relationship not working out or is just being petty overall. I completely understand where Patrice is coming from though.
Everytime I hear Jeff, I picture the guy from the Simpsons that marg went to the dance with and he tried to get all handsy ripping her dress. Then shows up with a helicopter to try and steal her. That’s Jeff.
I really think Jeff was too stuck on a man seemingly saying he would give up on his child, and not raise them. Patrice was stuck on a tangent, and I think Dante was too, that the deal in a man that makes him subscribe to wanting to have sex in certain instances or just a primal level doesn't really differentiate whether or not the child is born or the child just goes elsewhere. All that really matters was the sex.
Patrice is explaining why some guys dont stick around (immature men), while Jeffrey is explaining what a real man would/should do (responsible men). Patrice is speaking biologically and Jeffrey is speaking morally. They are both right but wont see past their own views tied to their ego
This just seems like an attempt to reconcile his fatherless childhood, which is a pretty weak move to adopt that philosophy as an adult. I don't believe most people strive to give into all their animal drives, like Patrice portrays. But idk maybe I make the mistake of giving people the benefit of the doubt.
I agree with Jeff. I don't see how any man could refuse to take care of his responsibility, especially when someone else's life is involved. As soon as the sperm hits that egg it's half of the fathers responsibility. If he was irresponsible enough to not wrap it up, the child shouldn't have to suffer for it.
History tends to repeat itself. If you read enough history you should be confused or surprised........... I doubt you know every intimate circumstance that brought these children forth 🤷🏾♂️
I think it starts that way, but there are so many ways to have a relationship with your children if you want to, so there isn't an excuse. I'm more like take the kids from the woman if she is poison and you care about your child...I do get the mindset that if you impregnate a "jumpoff" there is no love felt for the creation of that child. It feels more like civic duty (jury duty or something) than a passion.
Michael Simmons jeff wasn’t listening at a certain point he was only saying the thing everyone already agreed to. and he didn’t understand that understanding a perspective(what patrice did when talking about his father) is something very different than embracing that line of thinking. jeff took patrice’s understanding as accepting it and he thought it was his duty to “correct” what was said by saying what he said. he wasn’t wrong for saying you have a responsibility to that child. however in the conversation patrice was talking about something else and using this idea of why his father left as a baseline for understanding what he was talking about... Jeff didn’t catch on and latched onto the thing he didn’t like. so i’ll say it once again, jeff lost all MY respect in the episode.
Michael Simmons @ the 7:17 mark Patrice calls Jeff out on this.. he isn’t listening and Jeff is on the tangent about something that isn’t the focus of the conversation. did you listen to this?
Michael Simmons I disagree. he handled it poorly, he was exposing himself for NOT hearing what he was talking about. I think if you listened to what patrice says about context you’d know that jeff had no clue what was going on. he missed the point entirely. and focused on something patrice DIDNT EVEN SAY. lol you see a lot of this today.
Michael Simmons if anything, YOU handled it better than Jeff IF this is really Jeff’s point of view as you were saying, then it shouldn’t have taken you to decipher and explain it. btw thanks for this perspective.
A father-to-be's hormones change as do a pregnant mother's to better suit the child and child rearing. Patrice is talking beyond his realm here. Like the guy. Respect him. But no, bud. Fatherhood is a natural thing. It suits evolution, survival, etc, which he was known to taut when it came to women/men.
Sngl Rdy2Tngle surprised you haven't been called a simp by a bunch of 17-23 y/o who likely don't have a woman. Patrice is way off trying to compare ejaculating to creating life
their hormones change IF they are around the mother. If you nut in a women then leave and never see her again your don't just magically go through such changes.
Hehe, Patrice is pretty far out here. Jeff is talking sense. Patrices whole argument is just something he has made up in his head to somehow make sense of the fact that his dad didnt give a shit about him and never loved him.
I think if he was just trying to cope he would have come up with a much more self assuring reason. What he's saying makes total sense, he's saying his father had no emotional attachment to his mother, so to him Patrice is just another nut, the same as if he had jerked off into a sock.
Monscent Think about what you're saying. Plenty of fathers leave their children and never think of them as more then a busted nut. That's what Patrice is saying. He understands how this could happen and it DOES happen. So how is it all in his head? lol. You need to realize that by saying "he just made this up to justify his own father leaving" all you are doing is making excuses as to why this can't be true. Do you also not realize that he has no reason to justify his own situation. If he never knew his father like he said, then the father never knew him either. The father did not leave Patrice O'neal and who he is, he left a child that he never knew. So what reason would Patrice have to ask the question "Why would my father leave me?" The question is why would any father leave any child. And one answer to that question is that the father never thought of him as more than a busted nut. He has no reason to justify a father who never knew him leaving. A person would only feel the need to justify their father leaving if they knew their father and THEN he left. Then they might wonder, "well what was wrong with me that he left?" Otherwise the truth of it is that you're dad was an asshole and he left before you were even born to avoid the responsibility of having a kid. He never knew you, there is nothing to justify within yourself and your own situation in that scenario. Not to mention that "my father never thought of me as more then sperm" is not even a justification. What does that justify? lol. What he is saying is not a good thing, but it obviously isn't just a fairy tale by Patrice O'neal and that's what you're trying to excuse it as. You think it's obvious that he's "just coping"? More like he is stating the obvious truth. There are people in this world who will walk out on their children and never think of them as more then a cumshot, and you not being able to understand that makes you a complete idiot. That's the only thing that's "pretty obvious" You did not think this through whatsoever. Saying it's all in his head is completely moronic on your part and is just an attempt to excuse something that you don't like hearing.
I'm 1 minute into this and I definitely don't agree with the "women want to find one man" model The book "Sex at Dawn" puts forward a more realistic model.
There's a clear difference between understanding a mindset and approving and supporting a mindset. Patrice clarified he wouldn't leave his own child (and why) YET he can understand why his own father (and others) could. There are reasons (good, bad, questionable) why people take the actions they do and choosing to not accept that reality will certainly lead a misguided individual into a world of delusion.
I dunno, some of Patrice's standup was allright. He was really funny on O&A arguing with Ant. On this show though he really kinda stands out as a fat guy with low self esteem that bullys people to boost himself...kinda sad
"My mother doesn't count, she's not a woman, she's my mother." beauty
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Patrice was abondoned by his father and said elsewhere that he felt it had cost him dearly in his life haing no guidance yet he tries to defend the position of men who do the same thing. This guy was committed to being rigourously honest, fair and balanced in a way that most academic philosphers can only dream of.
He wasn't defending it. He just said that he understands.
Explaining something doesn't mean advocating the results.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it... or something like that
@@sethiddings7293 yupp. Too many people don't get it and thus are just angry at the world.
He wasn’t defending it. It was Him trying to explain it and it’s heart breaking to hear him to be honest. You can tell that it’s the root of his low self esteem. When he was saying that a child is just nut, he was really putting himself in the child’ positions as to what he thinks his father thought of him.
I can’t really tell what was the better path for him because on one hand if he had his father, who knows if he would have turned out to be such a brilliant comic. On the other, you can tell that the only thing that got in between his way from making it big was himself. As much as he thought it was because of his “honesty” it wasn’t. There lots of artists who are honest and are world famous ie Dave Chapelle, Bill Burr and Kanye West. Rather it was his self sabotaging that got in the way. He routinely handicaps himself from opportunities and burns bridges that didn’t need to be burnt and justifies it in his own twisted ways. On some level, he has to know he was on his BS. He’s way too intellectual and perceptive for that.
RIP to the big man.
A lot of people make tis mistake in thinking. Understanding doesn't mean approving of. Patrice dared to entertain a tought without the fear of embracing it. Sign of his genius. RIP
Nils wow! You got it! Nirvana ! I think he was a pure genius. No doctorate, no multiple degrees. His thought process was phenomenal ! I. Miss him! Badly. I listen to these recordings constantly. More respect for men thereafter. Knowing MENS thought process, brings, unemotionally, more understanding. I loved this 'elephant in the room' schooling and wish more women would just listen to him.
Jeff is listening just like a woman and completely missing the goddamn point. Patrice said 3 or 4 times he wouldn't leave a child, but like most women Jeff twisted the conversation to fit a point he wanted to make.
All Patrice is saying is that mothers have more of an emotional connection to their children than fathers do. What's so hard to comprehend?
Because it's a cop-out with no basis in fact or evidence.
Erin Steele Nigga, how you gonna respond to to 4 year old comment?
@@erinmaree1987 how is it a cop out, if he hasn't done it himself? Whats he defending?
Chris Tre it didn't sound as though there was any pain about not knowing his father: just fact. His comment about men never looking for their children, as mothers do, made sense. Maury proves that on almost every show he's done for years. His thinking/reasoning/statements still ring true. I try ly believe there was no pain involved.
@@erinmaree1987 not true, women are generally more agreeable than men are as per the big 5 personality types. While I would never condone a man not looking after his own seed, it just makes sense that the most disagreeable men, especially coupled with low levels of neuroticism won't really feel too much emotional qualm about having a child and walking away.
In order to understand how people like this can exist you must be willing to see things in their eyes or you'll never be able to combat this when you come across it.
Jesus Patrice is actually a genius! he saw things as they are and he spoke the truth, all these other people are to afraid to offend people.
Vince Man exactly.... maybe in the past before all of this feminist bullshit with men getting screwed over by marriage etc, more would be bothered
Patrice is not justifying it, he's just explaining how things happen.
Exactly!!
All Patrice is saying is, men don't have a natural connection to a child. Therefore, he understands how a man could leave a woman he never loved even though she's having said child. What Jeff is talking about is what people SHOULD do, which is obviously a completely different topic.
This Jeff guy is a trip 🤦♂️
Agreed Ahamd. This is why manginas like Jeff get taken to child support or divorce court. They get so attached to feelings and emotions and don't realize that having children are for selfish women ( which is 60% of the country)
They do have a connection with the child bro just not the same way not the same intensity. It would be a tough choice nonetheless. If you were raised by somebody who stayed, you wouldn't just fly off the bat. Patrice has valid points in this but in the end he has the experience of a kid that never saw his father. Life thaught him that way.
Patrice was just to intelligent for common minded people. Listening has become an artform because very few know how to.
During pregnancy: It's my body, my choice.
After pregnancy: Well it takes two to tango.
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Wow Jeff....just wow. All Patrice is saying is he can UNDERSTAND how someone could do something that he wouldn't do. Like, I UNDERSTAND how someone could commit a murder, or a theft, but I'm not saying it's right, or that I would do it. Jeff seems to think Patrice is ADVOCATING abondoning kids. Yeah...
No what he says is that he wants Patrice to clearly state he is not advocating that if he indeed is not advocating that.
Sander jesus sanders, he did that countless times during this segment. You are jeffs cousin or something by the way you take things in
If Jeff wasn't there to counter him Ig most of us wouldnt have known Patrice's point, its through several questions and articulation of jeff that Patrice made us clear what his point was
Cause Jeff wouldn’t have new chicks to hit on. His supply will dwindle if men abandon babies. He’s likes his women to be issues of having a father too available.
Jeff sounded very dense here. O'Neal wasn't saying leaving your kid was acceptable, he's saying that instinctively, men don't have as much attachment to the kid because of the fact that they have so much sperm (potential life) to spare. If a woman is just a woman to them, then sex is like masturbation to them. Whereas a woman not only has to take care of the child (at the very minimum 9 months), but women are very limited by how many eggs they have (how much life they can make).
Patrice O'Neal = Brilliant. Just, brilliant. RIP dude.
I like how patrice is just plainly saying raw truth while everyone else attempts to dance around the subject yet still proving his talking points as facts
These old patrice podcast are like the bible. All honesty over everything Ive listened carefully and implied his principles into how I act with girls & got more girls in 012 then I have in my whole life. None of that being a nice guy trying to play by their rules....Just be a man and be positive. It attracts, shit is amazing
Don't think you're special just because you're the apartment building for the baby. It's not your body, it's the baby's body. But kill it, I don't give a fuck.
Brilliant.
wow. Jeff sounds like a little girl. If you buy a flower and watch it grow, there is a detachment next to someone who gets the seed, pot, soil and waters it everyday. Difference in closeness! Men and Women.
Bingo!!!!
The most amazing book by Patrice would have been what men needed to understand,whoever is responsible for makibg him part of o and , thank you so much, that we have these to listen to.
"Jeff,, shut the fuck.." HAHAHAH
Women stop having unwanted children. No man is going to stay with you just because you have his child.
Jeff is trying to take this conversation away from the point that Patrice is making. The logic that patrice is applying is clear. And jeff sees that but he was so adamant about not agreeing with his logic because he was trying to relate Patrice making that point of understanding to a sentiment of condoning the behavior. I do not condone stealing, but I can understand why a hungry person would do it. Good discussion.
"in ya or on ya"
White people and women don't underestimate the nuance between "understanding" and agreeing"
I find this to be true. I’ve always brought up controversial opinions, and people would be all “hush-hush”, despite the the truth and reality.
They never wanted to shake up the status quo, but sometimes YOU HAVE TO to reveal the truth.
Honest. Conversation.
"This is why I forgave my father for never meeting me". That gutted me.
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It's interesting and sad that Patrice realized when he was 40 years old (two years after this recording and about 2 years before his death) how negatively his life was impacted by not having a father.
too bad patrice's father never got to see how much of a genius his son was.
I hate this jeff guy. He can't let Patrice get out 2 words without interrupting with his doesn't get it opinion
Fuck Jeff
@@bicflair9604 still fuck Jeff two years later
loud mouths never listen.. hes annoying af...
Dumb fuck doesn't understand a nuanced point..virtue signaling feminist
Thought I heard everything this is a new one
Thank you
Patrice is rationalizing his father's behavior and since he never had a chance to talk to him, he never got to hear his father's side so he doesn't think his father has any emotions towards him. I don't think men are coded to be freeballing sperm banks nor women coded to be providers. The way our systems work just lean towards these interactions. Many male species guard their "seed" and kill the other male's "seed" so its own can survive. The female species don't make these males behave like this, so there is a lot of nuance that goes into the whole reproduction cycle. Most importantly, we can't make up people's positions without talking to them. He really needed to hear his father's side. It might have really influenced him but he was too prideful probably much like his father.
23, and this guy has spouted the MOST EFFECTIVE advice about women.
Fuck, I wish I could call into the show!!
i didnt hear about patrice till 4 or 5 years after his death but i did use some of his techniques rip patrice.
How come his point is so clear to me but yet it’s hard for everyone else to grasp?
The truth engenders us all - but she comes for us all differently.
1. He wouldn't leave a child
2. He understands why (some) men leave if there is no attachment to the mother and he just nuts
To me it makes sense as well. We get attached as men when we see our child but if we just nut and leave and don't care about the mother, it's not so big deal for us. Exceptions exist but I still understand it.
@@naadde exactly my point
I completely understand...
"in ya or on ya"....LMFAO!!
Patrice my man
Dealing with her every day is reason enough to leave
" you take it back 100 years , Hunter gatherers " lmfaoooooo this guy thinks we were spearheaded in Victorian times
Wasn't Victorian that would be 150 dollars
He’s looking at it from a different perspective.
Jeffrey's talking as if his girl is mean mugging him from across the room.
its weird, after seeing all this data on hypergamy, it seems like its the opposite, that women can't love men the way men love women. but that seems too hopeless so I just focus on my life, and never lower my standards, which are too high lol
I don’t think a women can truly love a man like a man loves a woman (mentally). Sure, women can show love physically, but can they truly love a guy unconditionally? No. They get over guys much easier than guys get over them. I’ve known guys that still love the same woman years and years after they split up. But do I know any women that still love a guy 1-2 years after splitting up? Not really, unless the couple split up when they were much older. Women also naturally look for resources. If a guy doesn’t have resources anymore, that’s it. And like Patrice said, don’t get mad at them for it. That’s just their nature.
@@DeAngelo77 The thing is, its always suppose to be the woman chasing the man. And it is always a man's fault if he gets himself in a situation where he is always chasing her. As once a woman realizes she has control over you she will abuse it for as long as you let her, or when she eventually gets tired of you.
A hundred years ago we had cars... but i get his point
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You don't agree with Patrice understanding why his father did what he did? oh wait, you said "if you cannot cherish your own seed.." Now where in this conversation did Patrice say he wouldn't take care of his own kid?
It’s wrong to walk away from a child.
I can be bitch ass about some shit too. Not trying to offend. But, what Patrice is selling here isn't just some mentality. That was a strong message towards all women and some men who grew up without a relationship with their fathers.
I hate it when people can't successfully listen to some shit with the exact message intended delivered. They catch the tone of what someone says and can't grasp what that someone is saying and interpret something else. Mainly bitch ass people suffer from this disorder. No offense though. Patrice raised a child that wasn't even his.Of course he would cherish his own seed. He understands his father doing that shit and doesn't take it badly now so his self esteem is better. Not promoting bad dads.
understanding and condoning are not the same thing
Exactly, too many out there misinterpret 'reason to explain' for 'justification to excuse'. Outright justifications are substantially rare compared to explanations
Men spread their seed far and wide only in the lower end species, and the lower end cultures. There are 2 strategies for men to pass on their genes: 1. Sire as many kids as you can and hope that some survive somehow and 2. Have a limited number of quality children (with a quality woman/quality women) and make damn sure that they survive. Cultures where men are highly invested in their children and thus have only as many as they can support now rule the world and have the best quality of life.
Talking to Jeff is like talking to a female. All emotions no logic not paying attention to context and sticking to the subject
"Kill the baby I don't give a fuck" LOL
Patrice O'neal was crazy
Yo this is deep as hell.
Women will spite the man a lot of times with not allowing him to see his kids as well. Whether she despises him because of the relationship not working out or is just being petty overall. I completely understand where Patrice is coming from though.
....this is their nature....
@@permazero indeed
@@kwamewade915 🤝🏾
@@permazero 🤝
I hate that me and Jeff have the same name.
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prophetic genius
Everytime I hear Jeff, I picture the guy from the Simpsons that marg went to the dance with and he tried to get all handsy ripping her dress. Then shows up with a helicopter to try and steal her. That’s Jeff.
in ya or on ya !! I'm just a nut haha
I really think Jeff was too stuck on a man seemingly saying he would give up on his child, and not raise them. Patrice was stuck on a tangent, and I think Dante was too, that the deal in a man that makes him subscribe to wanting to have sex in certain instances or just a primal level doesn't really differentiate whether or not the child is born or the child just goes elsewhere. All that really matters was the sex.
Patrice wouldn't walk away because his father walked away so sad 😢
Pro life all the way.
Terrence Milton man fuck all them kids
"No closer bond than a woman and a child."
Circumstantial as well as bullshit.
This nigga did not listen to Patrice this whole time.
Patrice is explaining why some guys dont stick around (immature men), while Jeffrey is explaining what a real man would/should do (responsible men). Patrice is speaking biologically and Jeffrey is speaking morally. They are both right but wont see past their own views tied to their ego
I miss u bro
Think the caller needs to go back more than a 100 years for the hunter gatherer example he was trying to get at lol
Women are born with 400 - 500 eggs. At the age of period/maturity they have another 33 - 35 years to have kids. #thewall
Some men think the way he is stating.
How can't he understand what he's saying
Women say "nobody likes a bitter asshole", and I say "that's why in jail some people use a lot of sugar in their dressing when they toss their salad"
@1844Freddy He's not the only one who can speak his mind; so can I. This is for public viewing and commenting, and if I'm a troll then oh well.
He has taken the place of a woman in an argument.
Life isn’t precious to women from the standpoint of abortion
This just seems like an attempt to reconcile his fatherless childhood, which is a pretty weak move to adopt that philosophy as an adult. I don't believe most people strive to give into all their animal drives, like Patrice portrays. But idk maybe I make the mistake of giving people the benefit of the doubt.
Elaborate a tad bit more.
I ask you you respectfully sir - what do you plan to receive- what is the outcome of what you've said?
Patrice forgot about one thing, and thats responsibility.
I agree with Jeff. I don't see how any man could refuse to take care of his responsibility, especially when someone else's life is involved. As soon as the sperm hits that egg it's half of the fathers responsibility. If he was irresponsible enough to not wrap it up, the child shouldn't have to suffer for it.
History tends to repeat itself. If you read enough history you should be confused or surprised...........
I doubt you know every intimate circumstance that brought these children forth 🤷🏾♂️
I think it starts that way, but there are so many ways to have a relationship with your children if you want to, so there isn't an excuse. I'm more like take the kids from the woman if she is poison and you care about your child...I do get the mindset that if you impregnate a "jumpoff" there is no love felt for the creation of that child. It feels more like civic duty (jury duty or something) than a passion.
I agree
Jeff lost all respect in this episode
Michael Simmons nah... Jeff
Michael Simmons jeff wasn’t listening at a certain point he was only saying the thing everyone already agreed to. and he didn’t understand that understanding a perspective(what patrice did when talking about his father) is something very different than embracing that line of thinking. jeff took patrice’s understanding as accepting it and he thought it was his duty to “correct” what was said by saying what he said. he wasn’t wrong for saying you have a responsibility to that child. however in the conversation patrice was talking about something else and using this idea of why his father left as a baseline for understanding what he was talking about... Jeff didn’t catch on and latched onto the thing he didn’t like. so i’ll say it once again, jeff lost all MY respect in the episode.
Michael Simmons @ the 7:17 mark Patrice calls Jeff out on this.. he isn’t listening and Jeff is on the tangent about something that isn’t the focus of the conversation. did you listen to this?
Michael Simmons I disagree. he handled it poorly, he was exposing himself for NOT hearing what he was talking about. I think if you listened to what patrice says about context you’d know that jeff had no clue what was going on. he missed the point entirely. and focused on something patrice DIDNT EVEN SAY. lol you see a lot of this today.
Michael Simmons if anything, YOU handled it better than Jeff IF this is really Jeff’s point of view as you were saying, then it shouldn’t have taken you to decipher and explain it. btw thanks for this perspective.
Jeff sounds like a puppet for chicks
A father-to-be's hormones change as do a pregnant mother's to better suit the child and child rearing. Patrice is talking beyond his realm here. Like the guy. Respect him. But no, bud. Fatherhood is a natural thing. It suits evolution, survival, etc, which he was known to taut when it came to women/men.
Sngl Rdy2Tngle surprised you haven't been called a simp by a bunch of 17-23 y/o who likely don't have a woman. Patrice is way off trying to compare ejaculating to creating life
their hormones change IF they are around the mother. If you nut in a women then leave and never see her again your don't just magically go through such changes.
@Daikkenaurora Your so right lol
lmao @ 3:30.
Why does the baby have rights?
😂
@Daikkenaurora penguins
Hehe, Patrice is pretty far out here. Jeff is talking sense. Patrices whole argument is just something he has made up in his head to somehow make sense of the fact that his dad didnt give a shit about him and never loved him.
I think if he was just trying to cope he would have come up with a much more self assuring reason. What he's saying makes total sense, he's saying his father had no emotional attachment to his mother, so to him Patrice is just another nut, the same as if he had jerked off into a sock.
King John Yeah, that was the case to his father. But he is trying to cope nonetheless, its pretty obvious.
Monscent Think about what you're saying. Plenty of fathers leave their children and never think of them as more then a busted nut. That's what Patrice is saying. He understands how this could happen and it DOES happen. So how is it all in his head? lol. You need to realize that by saying "he just made this up to justify his own father leaving" all you are doing is making excuses as to why this can't be true. Do you also not realize that he has no reason to justify his own situation. If he never knew his father like he said, then the father never knew him either. The father did not leave Patrice O'neal and who he is, he left a child that he never knew. So what reason would Patrice have to ask the question "Why would my father leave me?" The question is why would any father leave any child. And one answer to that question is that the father never thought of him as more than a busted nut. He has no reason to justify a father who never knew him leaving. A person would only feel the need to justify their father leaving if they knew their father and THEN he left. Then they might wonder, "well what was wrong with me that he left?" Otherwise the truth of it is that you're dad was an asshole and he left before you were even born to avoid the responsibility of having a kid. He never knew you, there is nothing to justify within yourself and your own situation in that scenario. Not to mention that "my father never thought of me as more then sperm" is not even a justification. What does that justify? lol. What he is saying is not a good thing, but it obviously isn't just a fairy tale by Patrice O'neal and that's what you're trying to excuse it as. You think it's obvious that he's "just coping"? More like he is stating the obvious truth. There are people in this world who will walk out on their children and never think of them as more then a cumshot, and you not being able to understand that makes you a complete idiot. That's the only thing that's "pretty obvious" You did not think this through whatsoever. Saying it's all in his head is completely moronic on your part and is just an attempt to excuse something that you don't like hearing.
Matthew McGivern Man...U really need to add some line breaks if you want people to read what you write.
Monscent Yeah and he had the perfect way of summing it up, maybe he did feel that he just wanted a nut and didn't want anything to do with him.
Or a belly button
I'm 1 minute into this and I definitely don't agree with the "women want to find one man" model The book "Sex at Dawn" puts forward a more realistic model.
you say "fuck that" but how do the majority of women in society today feel? i say, fuck that personally too. but we're talking the broad view
Crazy thing is he aborted his kid
@dkthg Freddie can go lose some weight and learn a talent.
I’m usually with Patrice but he deluded himself on this one.
Our focus as men is to be accepted, per se - it's to be understood......
There's a clear difference between understanding a mindset and approving and supporting a mindset.
Patrice clarified he wouldn't leave his own child (and why) YET he can understand why his own father (and others) could.
There are reasons (good, bad, questionable) why people take the actions they do and choosing to not accept that reality will certainly lead a misguided individual into a world of delusion.
I dunno, some of Patrice's standup was allright. He was really funny on O&A arguing with Ant. On this show though he really kinda stands out as a fat guy with low self esteem that bullys people to boost himself...kinda sad
Low self esteem? Do you know who is wife is??? He's the same way here like he his on O and A.
Slimkidd730 Low self esteem.
Monscent
Since we're repeating ourselves, DO YOU KNOW WHO HIS WIFE IS????
Slimkidd730 she's not that hot. but this guys wrong, elephant in the room is funny as fuck. a classic stand up hour
Slimkidd730 an 8?? Jesus, she is a 5-6 at the most. Elefant in the room was good but I wont call it a classic just because he is dead (rip)
i dont care about my period, but id care if it was a miscarriage. this is kinda dumb