This Seraphon box is undeniably a phenomenal deal for anyone looking to start a new Seraphon army. You're getting a great spread of models, and they're all the attractive new sculpts. What leaves me cold is that this isn't a great deal for anyone who already purchased the army box that came out earlier this year. Like you said, people don't need multiple Slanns. If the Slann had been a Stegadon or a Bastiladon instead? This would be one of the best boxes they've ever made.
Hey Mr. Caleb, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I was wondering if you can help me with a bit of list building. I really want to start a Seraphon army but more like a meme army? I was thinking a Coalesced cavalry Seraphon army. Old Blood on Carnosaur Scar Vet on Aggradon 1x Reinforced Aggradon Lancers 2x Aggradon Lancers 1x Terradon Riders 2x Spawn of Chotec for Artillery memes Any thoughts on this per chance? I know it's not very balanced list as it's mostly cavalry, but it's the meme I kinda want to run even if I would get wiped off the board easily or not.
For sure! Aggradons are great overall units! I think I would add a Starseer to the list. Maybe kitbash one riding an Aggradon! The wizard is just VERY useful even in an Aggradon list. The Spells Heavenly Frenzy (run and charge), Hoarfrost, and Merciless Blizzard are all VERY clutch. Maybe a list something like this. One drop. Lots of movement. Allegiance: Seraphon - Constellation: Koatl's Claw - Grand Strategy: - Triumphs: Leaders Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260)* - General - Command Trait: Vengeful Defender - Artefact: Sotek's Gaze Saurus Scar-Veteran on Aggradon (160)* Skink Starseer (150)* - Spell: Heavenly Frenzy Battleline 6 x Aggradon Lancers (380)* - Reinforced x 1 6 x Aggradon Lancers (380)* - Reinforced x 1 6 x Aggradon Lancers (380)* - Reinforced x 1 Units 1 x Spawn of Chotec (120)* 3 x Terradon Riders (110)* - Sunleech Bolas Core Battalions *Battle Regiment Total: 1940 / 2000 Reinforced Units: 3 / 4 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 136 Drops: 1 And you still have 60 points for an endless spell (swords? Pendulum?)
@@CalebHastings I was debating adding the Starpreist and the Saurus and Krox from the Vanguard only to add them since the Vanguard has the Carnosaur, but yeh adding a Starseer on an Aggradon could be fun! And it would still fit the idea
Bit off topic, but if i might make a suggestion for content Caleb, I'd like to see some strategy for scoring battle tactics. I am currently making thr transition from casual player to tournament player and while i can certainly take a Kroak list out and rain heavenly fire and destruction in everything, im having problems with the secondary game and am losing on points. Id love to see some advice on that if you have time
I want to like it, but i have the army box. I cant get behind having 2 Slann. Honestly inthinknif you have the army box, probably buying the vanguard box and then getting the Chameleon skinks and aggradons is actually a better deal. Would you agree with that?
Yeah or just skip the warcry. They usually are unpredictable units that'll only find a home in fangs or shoot lists in future. Id say vanguard, astro and seer are* all mega good buys. Or vanguard/sale and wait to see future box sets.
@jakea3950 I can see that reasoning. Vanguard will be my next Seraphon purchase in all likelihood cause that fills out what I'd want to take for a 1K army. Do that next year, and then perhaps the 2 characters, and at some point grab some Aggradons.
Just went up for pre-order a few days ago: www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/11/saturday-pre-orders-snag-a-massive-haul-of-army-boxes-and-festive-treats/
As someone who's been looking to take a break from 40k and maybe get into AoS, this box is a perfect set. Lizardmen are my favourite faction from TW: Warhammer and the new models look great. Easy choice. Would the vanguard box be a good supplement as well? The box already has the extra kroxigors and warriors, could the oldblood + carnosaur work as well? Could bastiladons or stegadons be a decent choice too?
Yep! Absolutely!! I really like a Stegadon in my Saurus armies right now. Helps score a battle tactic in the game that requires a Skink unit (the Stegadon has skinks on it) to capture an objective.
Hey Caleb, I recently started AoS and Seraphon and have been coming here for all my Seraphon info! I have the army set that came out plus the vanguard box and a scar vet on aggradon, would this be a good pickup even though i already have a slann?
Hmmm.... I can't think of any list that could utilize a second slann... But if you could sell off the slann, the rest of the box would fill out your stuff well!
Hello, Caleb! Thank you for review. I want to ask, for new player what will be better deal - Battleforce or 2023 Seraphon Army Set? In my LGS Seraphon Army Set can be bought for about 130~~ USD, Battleforce stinn unavailable tho, so no info about it's pricing.
They pair really well together... but since the Battleforce is a limited time box set... get the Battleforce first! You can always supplement it with the Vanguard box later.
I got myself a hunter of huanci recently and If possible I want an army that can go starborne and koalt's claw ,so the question what box do you advise me to get?
Yep! That would reinforce the Krox and Warriors! Total of 1700 points. Allegiance: Seraphon - Constellation: Koatl's Claw Leaders Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260) - General - Command Trait: Vengeful Defender Slann Starmaster (290) - Artefact: Itxi Grubs - Lore of Primal Frost: Merciless Blizzard Battleline 6 x Kroxigor (320) 3 x Aggradon Lancers (190) 10 x Saurus Warriors (180) 10 x Saurus Warriors (180) Units 3 x Terrawings (70) 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Dartpipes (130) 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80) Total: 1700 / 2000 From there... reinforce the Aggradons... and you have 100 points left over for skinks or endless spells.
I took some of your idea and combined the christmas box with the vanguard box, an astrolith bearer and a box aggradon lancers for a full 1980 point list can sub kroxigors for warspawned if you want 2k on the nose. Let me know what you think? Army Faction: Seraphon - Army Type: Coalesced - Army Subfaction: Koatl's Claw - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Bloodthirsty LEADER 1 x Slann Starmaster (290) - Artefacts: Itxi Grubs 1 x Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260) 1 x Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140) - General - Command Traits: Vengeful Defender BATTLELINE 10 x Saurus Warriors (180) - Saurus Warrior Alpha - Icon Bearer - War-drummer - Celestite Club 10 x Saurus Warriors (180) - Saurus Warrior Alpha - Icon Bearer - War-drummer - Celestite Spear 6 x Aggradon Lancers (190) - Icon Bearer - War-drummer - Aggradon Lancer Alpha - Celestite Spear 6 x Kroxigor (160) - Moonstone Hammer TERRAIN 1 x Coalesced Realmshaper Engine (0) OTHER 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80) 3 x Terrawings (70) 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80) TOTAL POINTS: (1980/2000) Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
Id probs add a skink star priest. The serpant staff is good and another caster always helps. So if used with krox, you exploding 6's to hit can then get mortals on wounds of 6+. He should also be able to issue commands to the krox meaning they can be off on another flank or togeather. You can kit bash one from the skink priest that comes in your carno box. Youll get more value there dw about buying one. *or buy a skink star seer as that'll be a dual caster and you'llget more value out of your astrolith barer. That and 1x bolas will be exactly 2k. Id recommend over all those warcry guys. Terrawings are useless and bolas are meh or situational. Ofc having fun is the most important! Dont let my opinion spoil your list, just adding some options.
@@jakea3950 Something like this Army Faction: Seraphon - Army Type: Coalesced - Army Subfaction: Koatl's Claw - Grand Strategy: Hold the Line - Triumphs: Bloodthirsty LEADER 1 x Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260)* 1 x Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)** - General 1 x Slann Starmaster (290)** 1 x Skink Starpriest (130)** BATTLELINE 6 x Kroxigor (160)* - Moonstone Hammer 10 x Saurus Warriors (180)* - Saurus Warrior Alpha - Icon Bearer - War-drummer - Celestite Club 10 x Saurus Warriors (180)* - Icon Bearer - War-drummer - Saurus Warrior Alpha - Celestite Club 3 x Aggradon Lancers (190)* - Aggradon Lancer Alpha - War-drummer - Icon Bearer - Celestite Spear TERRAIN 1 x Coalesced Realmshaper Engine (0) OTHER 3 x Terrawings (70)* 10 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80)** 5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80)** CORE BATTALIONS: *Battle Regiment **Warlord TOTAL POINTS: (2000/2000) Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
Hey everyone, looking for a bit of help. My son and I are taking the plunge to some casual AoS dadhammer. I have the StD launch box and the Seraphon army box. I’m wondering where to go to build some fun casual armies for us to stomp each other with. Thinking going saurus/aggredon heavy for rule of cool. How do I even start building two armies mostly balanced against each other?
Without overthinking it, you could probably grab the holiday boxes (or the Vanguard boxes) for each of these factions and have some solid ~1500 point forces to run against each other casually. The Seraphon will probably be a bit better than the S2D, but the dice and turn order will even most of that out while you're learning to play.
Yeah id say for sure the vanguards. Thise army boxes go nicely with them. For example, two slann is abit of a waste unless you want two for hobby. Maybe in the distant future but right now with their spells you wont want all those. For the slaves 15 chosen seems excessive, 10 is excellent as a reinforced unit has more survivability. Maybe if you really want 6x bulls but i feel they will be in plenty of future bundles. Xmas boxes are more for people who missed out on army boxes or didn't want the battletome and data cards. Plus its your cheaper option and keeps the points closer between you and your sons forces.
box is really nice to a totally new player but.... in my opinion is a dick move of gw, adding the same big and expensive model that u wont ever want more than 1 in this box when it was in the previous released armybox allready, with far higher discount and book cards etc. every seraphon player allready have it. they could have added literally any hero in his place, to make this box great. ill hard pass on it unless i get to sell the slan in second hand before the box release
Fully agree....that's asame since slann was already releaased on start set box....also competitive level the warcry warband is totally wothless!!! by this is the tricky GW marketing approcah
At first glance thought the box was great but now not sure. Warcry warband feels like filler and maybe usless later. 6 krox seems like too many. 6 aggs yeah but krox are gonna be the new sharks, you gonna see em in every box. Plus for any army box two slann feels lke a waste. Haven't even seen the prices as battleforces are going up in price according to youtube. Hard pass, ill get a Vanguard on sale and wait for smaller boxes.
This Seraphon box is undeniably a phenomenal deal for anyone looking to start a new Seraphon army. You're getting a great spread of models, and they're all the attractive new sculpts.
What leaves me cold is that this isn't a great deal for anyone who already purchased the army box that came out earlier this year. Like you said, people don't need multiple Slanns.
If the Slann had been a Stegadon or a Bastiladon instead? This would be one of the best boxes they've ever made.
Spot on!
Of it the Slann was replaced with something like the new Starseerer and an Astrolith or Scar vet on Aggradon.
This box basically puts the finishing touches on my army. Totally excited for it.
Awesome!
This box pairs super well with the vanguard box if you like the oldblood on carnosaur
Was unsubscribed somehow, but glad I came to look something up. Always great info on this channel. Thanks.
I feel like this box is indeed a good box for starters. But if you want to make a competitive coalesced list you will need to buy some extra stuff
Yep!
100% Exactly the content I was looking for, thank you Caleb. Your niche is my niche!
I got the army box so sadly this box is not aimed at me, however the vanguard box is a fantastic with this if you like some murdersaur
The Chaos one looks excellent for Warhammer the Old World
Hey Mr. Caleb, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, but I was wondering if you can help me with a bit of list building.
I really want to start a Seraphon army but more like a meme army? I was thinking a Coalesced cavalry Seraphon army.
Old Blood on Carnosaur
Scar Vet on Aggradon
1x Reinforced Aggradon Lancers
2x Aggradon Lancers
1x Terradon Riders
2x Spawn of Chotec for Artillery memes
Any thoughts on this per chance?
I know it's not very balanced list as it's mostly cavalry, but it's the meme I kinda want to run even if I would get wiped off the board easily or not.
For sure! Aggradons are great overall units!
I think I would add a Starseer to the list. Maybe kitbash one riding an Aggradon! The wizard is just VERY useful even in an Aggradon list. The Spells Heavenly Frenzy (run and charge), Hoarfrost, and Merciless Blizzard are all VERY clutch.
Maybe a list something like this. One drop. Lots of movement.
Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Koatl's Claw
- Grand Strategy:
- Triumphs:
Leaders
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260)*
- General
- Command Trait: Vengeful Defender
- Artefact: Sotek's Gaze
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Aggradon (160)*
Skink Starseer (150)*
- Spell: Heavenly Frenzy
Battleline
6 x Aggradon Lancers (380)*
- Reinforced x 1
6 x Aggradon Lancers (380)*
- Reinforced x 1
6 x Aggradon Lancers (380)*
- Reinforced x 1
Units
1 x Spawn of Chotec (120)*
3 x Terradon Riders (110)*
- Sunleech Bolas
Core Battalions
*Battle Regiment
Total: 1940 / 2000
Reinforced Units: 3 / 4
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 136
Drops: 1
And you still have 60 points for an endless spell (swords? Pendulum?)
@@CalebHastings I was debating adding the Starpreist and the Saurus and Krox from the Vanguard only to add them since the Vanguard has the Carnosaur, but yeh adding a Starseer on an Aggradon could be fun! And it would still fit the idea
Hows this box with something like a vanguard box + stegadon for coalesced? Build a carno and kitbash a starseer.
Yep! Perfect!
Bit off topic, but if i might make a suggestion for content Caleb, I'd like to see some strategy for scoring battle tactics. I am currently making thr transition from casual player to tournament player and while i can certainly take a Kroak list out and rain heavenly fire and destruction in everything, im having problems with the secondary game and am losing on points. Id love to see some advice on that if you have time
I want to like it, but i have the army box. I cant get behind having 2 Slann. Honestly inthinknif you have the army box, probably buying the vanguard box and then getting the Chameleon skinks and aggradons is actually a better deal.
Would you agree with that?
Yeah or just skip the warcry. They usually are unpredictable units that'll only find a home in fangs or shoot lists in future.
Id say vanguard, astro and seer are* all mega good buys.
Or vanguard/sale and wait to see future box sets.
@jakea3950 I can see that reasoning. Vanguard will be my next Seraphon purchase in all likelihood cause that fills out what I'd want to take for a 1K army. Do that next year, and then perhaps the 2 characters, and at some point grab some Aggradons.
When was this announced?
I bought the Seraphon Vanguard box and now looking at this.
Just went up for pre-order a few days ago: www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/11/saturday-pre-orders-snag-a-massive-haul-of-army-boxes-and-festive-treats/
@CalebHastings My LGS has it on pre-order, too.
Use for two Slann: Paint one a celestial scheme and other terrestrial for the two branches of the army
As someone who's been looking to take a break from 40k and maybe get into AoS, this box is a perfect set.
Lizardmen are my favourite faction from TW: Warhammer and the new models look great. Easy choice.
Would the vanguard box be a good supplement as well? The box already has the extra kroxigors and warriors, could the oldblood + carnosaur work as well?
Could bastiladons or stegadons be a decent choice too?
Yep! Absolutely!!
I really like a Stegadon in my Saurus armies right now. Helps score a battle tactic in the game that requires a Skink unit (the Stegadon has skinks on it) to capture an objective.
Hey Caleb, I recently started AoS and Seraphon and have been coming here for all my Seraphon info! I have the army set that came out plus the vanguard box and a scar vet on aggradon, would this be a good pickup even though i already have a slann?
Hmmm.... I can't think of any list that could utilize a second slann... But if you could sell off the slann, the rest of the box would fill out your stuff well!
Gonna be so many Slann sprues on Ebay in January
Lol yep
Hello, Caleb! Thank you for review. I want to ask, for new player what will be better deal - Battleforce or 2023 Seraphon Army Set? In my LGS Seraphon Army Set can be bought for about 130~~ USD, Battleforce stinn unavailable tho, so no info about it's pricing.
They pair really well together... but since the Battleforce is a limited time box set... get the Battleforce first! You can always supplement it with the Vanguard box later.
I got myself a hunter of huanci recently and If possible I want an army that can go starborne and koalt's claw ,so the question what box do you advise me to get?
Starborne, you will definitely need a box of Skinks. And some wizards! Kroak, Slann, Astrolith are all vital to a Starborne list also.
@@CalebHastings what box do you advise me to get?
Would this be a good supplement for the Vanguard box for Seraphon?
Yep! That would reinforce the Krox and Warriors!
Total of 1700 points.
Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Koatl's Claw
Leaders
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260)
- General
- Command Trait: Vengeful Defender
Slann Starmaster (290)
- Artefact: Itxi Grubs
- Lore of Primal Frost: Merciless Blizzard
Battleline
6 x Kroxigor (320)
3 x Aggradon Lancers (190)
10 x Saurus Warriors (180)
10 x Saurus Warriors (180)
Units
3 x Terrawings (70)
5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Dartpipes (130)
5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80)
Total: 1700 / 2000
From there... reinforce the Aggradons... and you have 100 points left over for skinks or endless spells.
I took some of your idea and combined the christmas box with the vanguard box, an astrolith bearer and a box aggradon lancers for a full 1980 point list can sub kroxigors for warspawned if you want 2k on the nose.
Let me know what you think?
Army Faction: Seraphon
- Army Type: Coalesced
- Army Subfaction: Koatl's Claw
- Grand Strategy: Hold the Line
- Triumphs: Bloodthirsty
LEADER
1 x Slann Starmaster (290)
- Artefacts: Itxi Grubs
1 x Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260)
1 x Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
- General
- Command Traits: Vengeful Defender
BATTLELINE
10 x Saurus Warriors (180)
- Saurus Warrior Alpha
- Icon Bearer
- War-drummer
- Celestite Club
10 x Saurus Warriors (180)
- Saurus Warrior Alpha
- Icon Bearer
- War-drummer
- Celestite Spear
6 x Aggradon Lancers (190)
- Icon Bearer
- War-drummer
- Aggradon Lancer Alpha
- Celestite Spear
6 x Kroxigor (160)
- Moonstone Hammer
TERRAIN
1 x Coalesced Realmshaper Engine (0)
OTHER
5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80)
3 x Terrawings (70)
5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80)
TOTAL POINTS: (1980/2000)
Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
Love it!
Id probs add a skink star priest. The serpant staff is good and another caster always helps. So if used with krox, you exploding 6's to hit can then get mortals on wounds of 6+. He should also be able to issue commands to the krox meaning they can be off on another flank or togeather. You can kit bash one from the skink priest that comes in your carno box. Youll get more value there dw about buying one.
*or buy a skink star seer as that'll be a dual caster and you'llget more value out of your astrolith barer. That and 1x bolas will be exactly 2k.
Id recommend over all those warcry guys. Terrawings are useless and bolas are meh or situational. Ofc having fun is the most important! Dont let my opinion spoil your list, just adding some options.
@@jakea3950 Something like this
Army Faction: Seraphon
- Army Type: Coalesced
- Army Subfaction: Koatl's Claw
- Grand Strategy: Hold the Line
- Triumphs: Bloodthirsty
LEADER
1 x Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (260)*
1 x Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)**
- General
1 x Slann Starmaster (290)**
1 x Skink Starpriest (130)**
BATTLELINE
6 x Kroxigor (160)*
- Moonstone Hammer
10 x Saurus Warriors (180)*
- Saurus Warrior Alpha
- Icon Bearer
- War-drummer
- Celestite Club
10 x Saurus Warriors (180)*
- Icon Bearer
- War-drummer
- Saurus Warrior Alpha
- Celestite Club
3 x Aggradon Lancers (190)*
- Aggradon Lancer Alpha
- War-drummer
- Icon Bearer
- Celestite Spear
TERRAIN
1 x Coalesced Realmshaper Engine (0)
OTHER
3 x Terrawings (70)*
10 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80)**
5 x Hunters of Huanchi with Starstone Bolas (80)**
CORE BATTALIONS:
*Battle Regiment
**Warlord
TOTAL POINTS: (2000/2000)
Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The App
Hey everyone, looking for a bit of help. My son and I are taking the plunge to some casual AoS dadhammer.
I have the StD launch box and the Seraphon army box. I’m wondering where to go to build some fun casual armies for us to stomp each other with. Thinking going saurus/aggredon heavy for rule of cool.
How do I even start building two armies mostly balanced against each other?
Without overthinking it, you could probably grab the holiday boxes (or the Vanguard boxes) for each of these factions and have some solid ~1500 point forces to run against each other casually. The Seraphon will probably be a bit better than the S2D, but the dice and turn order will even most of that out while you're learning to play.
Yeah id say for sure the vanguards. Thise army boxes go nicely with them. For example, two slann is abit of a waste unless you want two for hobby. Maybe in the distant future but right now with their spells you wont want all those. For the slaves 15 chosen seems excessive, 10 is excellent as a reinforced unit has more survivability. Maybe if you really want 6x bulls but i feel they will be in plenty of future bundles.
Xmas boxes are more for people who missed out on army boxes or didn't want the battletome and data cards.
Plus its your cheaper option and keeps the points closer between you and your sons forces.
box is really nice to a totally new player but.... in my opinion is a dick move of gw, adding the same big and expensive model that u wont ever want more than 1 in this box when it was in the previous released armybox allready, with far higher discount and book cards etc. every seraphon player allready have it.
they could have added literally any hero in his place, to make this box great.
ill hard pass on it unless i get to sell the slan in second hand before the box release
Yeah, definitely not a box to buy two of!
Yeah they could have swapped the slann for kroak
@@Elvings92 Even something like the Astrolith Bearer or Skink Starseer would be preferred.
Fully agree....that's asame since slann was already releaased on start set box....also competitive level the warcry warband is totally wothless!!! by this is the tricky GW marketing approcah
@@cobbil I would have also loved to see Gor-Rok / Kroxigor General
At first glance thought the box was great but now not sure. Warcry warband feels like filler and maybe usless later. 6 krox seems like too many. 6 aggs yeah but krox are gonna be the new sharks, you gonna see em in every box.
Plus for any army box two slann feels lke a waste. Haven't even seen the prices as battleforces are going up in price according to youtube.
Hard pass, ill get a Vanguard on sale and wait for smaller boxes.
Yeah, it does feel a bit like filler to me too!!