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Proud of our general no gun culture. When civilians generally don’t carry guns the police don’t need to.
So why do we have an Armed response unit? Also why do we have a huge issue with gun crime?
@@DeadlyDan We don't
@@DeadlyDan we don't have a huge issue with gun crime, and it's considerably less "huge" than it was in the 1980's
@@DeadlyDan Because there are certain situations that need guns, 90% of situations do not, for example do we need armed officers for shoplifters or for people speeding? No, and we don't have a gun problem here?
@@combatduckie no?? We have gotten a lot less violent compared to "pre-immigration" times (1980s). Cherry picking stats to fuel a xenophobic agenda
In most countries people can feel free without needing to carry a gun.
Yes, the rate of gun deaths in the US runs at about 6000% that of the UK per capita and the knife killings in the US are about 50-60% more per capita
In fact we probably feel more free because we're not all terrified .
@@stuartallan9914 I agree with that, we are not all looking over our shoulder for someone to pull a gun on us for the mighty dollar
in civilized countries that might work but what would you do if invaded? many countries are NOT civilized, nor are their people. They just want the world to burn. Think your feelings will protect you from them....
@@rodneychandler5387 same as we've always done I guess, defend our civilised society
As a Brit now living in the USA, I APPRECIATE the British police and the amazing work they do, so much more. The police in the States, seem to be so gun orientated in everything, there first response is always to reach for their gun which obviously escalates every situation. They don't seem to have any communication skills whatsoever, because, they dont need to, they rely on the gun.
I notice that American cops like shouting to get attention.
I was always told that if you speak slowly there is more chance of being listened to.
@@eddiemglass Yes, thats why UK officers talk nicely and are taught to de-escalate situations
American police are scared.
Could never live in a country where anybody could carry a gun. Here in the UK it is just a completely different culture, thank God
The police carry weapons in Australia but our civilian laws are very strict too and the gun laws in America is the reason I would never go there. Why does anyone need a concealed weapon or something that shoots multiple rounds. A single shot rifle for farmers is about the only thing we're allowed and that has to be kept locked away unloaded and ammunition kept separate. Pity the police still carry weapons though.
@@goaway2803 isn't there still a good amount of gun crime in Australia despite those strict gun laws?
There is still a lot of knife crime, I'm glad I'm here in the US where I could protect myself and not depend on the police.
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Here in Norway, they don't carry a gun. Also, you need to be in school (police academy) for four years before you can be a police officer. I'm glad I live here :)
In the UK we have pretty good policing, but I think you guys lead the world. We can both be glad we don't live in the US, where they seem to recruit power-crazed psychopaths, give them a few weeks of basic training, give them guns and let them loose on the community...
@@tullochgorum6323 my brother in law was a sheriff commander. He told me he worried about his young male officers because they carried a gun all the time. He worried more that they would shoot their wife during an argument at home or shoot themselves. I was very shocked at this. I had assumed all people who were trained in guns would respect guns as lethal weapons and take an oath before they were entrusted with a gun. I didn’t realize men do get emotional and might harm their family even if they are in law enforcement.
@@i.m.7710 If you have a gun in the home, by far the most likely person to be killed is someone in the home - either through murder or suicide, or even through leaving it lying around for a toddler to find. The idea that it will be used to "protect" the home is a fantasy. More likely, any police attending the crime will shoot you because they mistake you for the burglar. This happens pretty regularly.
In the US more people are killed by armed toddlers than all the gun-related deaths in the UK combined.
The US has 5x the typical murder rate than Western Europe, and double the suicide rate. Most of this can be explained by the gun culture. Since 1970 civilian guns have killed more US citizens than in all your wars combined, including the lethal Civil War.
Apparently a majority of US voters don't think that this sustained slaughter is a problem worth addressing.
It leads to a culture of fear in both the citizens and the police, and poisons many aspects of US culture. You have every right to choose to live that way, but it's certainly not for me, or for most Europeans. We know that there's a better way...
@@Essemm52 I'm not complaining - compared to the ongoing shit-show that is the US criminal justice system even our current pared-back policing is something to celebrate. At least they don't kill hundreds of citizens a year...
In Finland police officers carry firearm but it's fired extremely rarely. Of course they have option to get taser too but it requires more training. They have all normal equipment: baton, pepperspray, flashlight and handcuffa.
NZ Police also don't carry guns. They have weapons available for emergencies. But officers don't patrol armed, no. The US has created an arms race between citizens and police. US police tend to escalate encounters, UK and NZ police are taught to de-escalate situations so they don't end up violent. Different culture to policing. Plus police in both the UK and NZ are all run by the govt. So accountability is higher.
"The US has created an arms race between citizens and police."
Boiled down to one sentence.
Great comment
In America the government is just as corrupt as the individual law enforcement agencies, so, accountability doesn't matter either way.
The way it should be
Nailed it.
I’m American and I definitely think we have a problem with gun violence in our country. But I think that saying there is an arms race between the cops and the people is not true. Because most of the population that owns guns are conservatives and they are the most supportive group in America of cops.
We do have armed police in UK. However, these are specialised units that undergo psych evaluations and regular training. The units are hard to get into simply because not everyone is mentally suitable to carry a gun. We consider it a big responsibility. Not only this, EVERY time an armed officer discharges a weapon in UK, this is subject to investigation.
Regular patrol police do not carry guns.
I'm not British, but you're right!
With that being said, the Police Service of Nothern Ireland, the Civil Nuclear Constabulary and the Ministery of Defence Police DO carry firearms on a regular basis.
Regular patrol police carry guns in NI, there are no unarmed police in NI UK.
4:45 "Essentially going at the mercy of the wolves..."
Says a lot about how this cop sees the public - not at citizens who need protection, but as wild animals who need controlling.
That reminds me of something I saw in the wake of the Floyd killing suggesting that American police officers are trained to regard the public as potentially hostile actors, which might explain why some of them seem to go for the gun as a first rather than last resort.
My thoughts too
You are FAR safer as an unarmed UK cop vs being an armed cop in the US - it's not even close. The cops here actively prefer unarmed policing because it makes everyone safer. We do have highly specialised armed teams that are deployed about 20,000 times a yea. But they only actually fire about 5 times a year and kill around 3 people a year, mostly armed terrorists. This is because our police are graduate professionals, and their training is heavily focused on de-escalation. US street cops get FAR less training, mostly in firearms, with typically only 1 day or less devoted to de-escalation. US police kill over 1000 citizens per year and wound thousands more - so they are literally hundreds of times more lethal than UK police.
So which style of policing would you prefer, folks? Not really a difficult choice, is it?
Er in the UK our police are not graduate professionals. UK police are just as poorly educated about policing matters as US police, they just dont have guns to fuck things up with, as idiots are capable of causing massive issues without firearms to add to institutional racism and misogyny
It depends on the crime rate, also on the type of the crime. These 2 things are important to look at. EU people tend to not carry guns compared to US citizens.This fact alone makes the difference in the officers involve shooting.
couldnt have said it better
The US is much larger than the UK so you can't compare direct numbers, what are the numbers compared to the number of people in the county?
@@jessicadrury156 The US has 5 times the population. So if we had the same population as the US, our police would kill around 15 people a year.
But in practice they very, very rarely kill an innocent citizen or even armed criminals - almost all the recent shootings have been terrorists during an active attack. Even with terrorists they do everything practical to try and take them alive.
Our police aren't perfect, but they are very much more professional than the US police, and very much less scary.
Gun crime is incredibly low compared to USA. Our main focus is knife crime, which is why our officers are equipped with stab vests. Also our police officers are trained to de-escalate situations, to try and talk to the aggressor and take them into custody without violence. People here in the UK have differing opinions about the police, but I have to say I have nothing but respect for them 👍
@Gareth Tucker my approach is exactly the same. Respect needs to be both ways. I respect all people until given reason not to
Agreed, I have great respect for them. I've been watching US police audit videos and it's night and day and their professional conduct. De-escalation is core to UK policing but often doesn't seem to be a thought on the US side.
The relationship between the police feels different too though. In the UK they are fully publicly funded and I think we generally accept they are here solely to help. In the US there appears to be a lot of mistrust with the police and a feeling that they are out to get or pull you up for trivial matters to meet department quotas.
I also do feel respect for the UK police officers and I'm impressed how skilled and respectful they are. I wish our Polish police would learn from them! In Poland we have a no gun culture too but our police officers are armed/carry guns (though use it very seldom). The real problem we're experiencing now with our policing is the fact that in many cases (many of which have been recorded and uploaded online) the police escalates the conflict and the emotions which usually ended in the suspects' death. We need serious changes to be done to our policing.
Americans often shoot back along the lines of "Yeah, but you have knife crime in the UK" so I checked it out - and actually America has a higher per capita knife crime rate than the UK.
@G T it depends where in the UK you encounter the police. Your experience with a police officer in rural Wiltshire or Dorset would be vastly different to your experience in East London or Inner City Manchester, however you can at least rely on a 99% probability you will come out of any encounter with UK police alive.
A well known fact, that is always overlooked when it comes to these debates, is how a gun can also put you more at risk. We always focus on the protection a gun can give, but we never focus on how that gun often creates the dangerous situation in the first place.
It acts as a hyper escalating factor for both the officer and the suspect, which is almost guaranteed to worsen the situation. That is why European cops who actually carry guns, receive extensive training on how to resist drawing that gun until the moment they absolutely have to. Because the moment your gun is draw there are only two possible outcomes, either he does as you say very quickly, or you have to use that gun. The problem is that doing what you say, heck even understanding what you say, while you have a gun pointed you is almost impossible, unless you have trained for it.
Notice how in America the gun is almost always draws, US police literally enters the situation with their guns drawn. Well then you have already ruled out both communication and de-escalation with the suspect. Not very smart is it?
"It must be harder to get a gun in the UK". Yes, it is almost impossible, you have to have some serious connections in order to do so, unless you have good reason to have one, such as living on a farm, or working security of some very special people. Otherwise, 99% of people in the UK do not have a gun, and if they do, they sure as hell don't walk around with it strapped to their hip or in the glove box of their car.
I’m 60 years old and I’ve probably seen less than a dozen guns in my life and they have mostly been in museums.
Same here, I’m Australian in my 60s police carry guns here, I’ve only seen the holster if one walks by, but I’ve never seen a real gun in my life either. Don’t know anyone who owns one either.
Were you in the Italian army by any chance...
I live in the UK. I’m 63 and I have only ever seen a pellet gun
I recall seeing a policeman in a shipping centre with a gun a few years ago and discovered later there had been a hoax terrorist threat but I can’t recall many or any other times. I think I may have seen a side arm when I visited Parliament but not sure.
@@mrfrisky2997 who are you relying to?
We have a special unit that carry guns, but the every day police officer don't carry guns. The public mostly don't have guns like they do in America Jay, we have extremely strict gun laws here.
We have strict laws also but people just don't care.If you have an illegal gun you are going to prison.These wack jobs don't care here they'll shoot over a few dollar's.It's strange I don't understand the logic.Even if guns were banned here illegal guns would be all over regardless.It's the mentality so law's won't change anything here.
@@fdation yes America has strict gun laws never said they didn't, but compared to the UK, not as strict as we are. The public don't own as much guns as are owned in America, there's no amendment of a right to Barr arms. Most gun owners in the UK are sports owners in shooting clubs. Not that easy to get a gun in the UK as it is in America.
And as in most if not all countries that have strict gun rules you also have no free speech anymore, the natural result of a government no longer fearing its population.
@@stephenrohaim382 Actually in the UK we have high knife crime, knives still can kill, what has freedom of speech have to do with guns?, Also UK has freedom of speech laws. Police are the ones that deal with the public more in these cases & they fear what the public cam do, that why they were stab vests.
@@emmahowells8334 It has quite a lot to do with guns, a government that has reason to fear its citizens is far less likely to overextend its powers, there is is a reason why a lot of democrats in the US wants to do away with the constitution, it includes getting rid of guns and the desire to introduce european style hate speech laws. The UK arrests about 9 people per day on average for speech violations even more than Russia, sorry to say but when you get arrested for voicing your opinion regardless of how vile it may seem to some, you do not have free speech.
To some of us out here it comes across as insane just how widespread lethal weapons are in an otherwise civilized country like the US.
Blame it on politicians over the centuries who failed to repeal the 2nd amendment after it no longer had any validity.
Whatever gives you the idea the USA is civilised?
I live in England and the thought of owning a gun absolutely terrifies me!
We do have stricter gun laws and getting gun licence isn't easy.
Of course, there are guns on the "street" but it's not the norm.
There are armed police in certain parts of London, for obvious reasons.
We do have armed police that will respond to specific situations, they are highly trained officers.
It seems to me that if the civilians are armed and the police are armed - you got yourself a civil war!
I saw one at a changing of the guard ceremony, I didn't like it 😳
"The thought of owning a gun absolutely terrifies me." A gun is an inanimate object. I presume you're not afraid of cars, houses or computers, so why is a gun any different? It's just a machine: nothing more, and nothing less. What is there to be afraid of?
@MSM4U2POM
You're right. I ought to have said "I'm terrified of a gun being owned by some idiot". Equally, I'm terrified of cars being driven by idiots.
I would hate for the gun laws to be relaxed in the UK. It's a well known fact that the US has a ridiculous amount of firearm incidents, purely because of the high percentage of people owning firearms. I don't want that for my country. I don't want to have to assume that the stranger across the street probably has a gun.
The gun IS a killing machine. The car CAN be a killing machine.
The house and computer analogy didn't make any sense to me, sorry.
@@chrissymoss514 Right. I thought it was the gun itself which frightens you, because it seems to be a common theme among anti-gunners. The houses and computer analogy make perfect sense in this context because they are examples of inanimate objects, just like a firearm; I reasoned that if you were frightened of the former, then why not of the latter?
No, the gun is NOT a killing machine unless its operator makes it one! That is just nonsense, because left to its own devices it will not hurt anyone. By the same token, cars have killed far more people in this country than firearms, so statistically the car is a much greater threat to the population than any gun ever made.
One of the things I have always prided myself on is that when I was a shooter my shotguns and rifles were never used to harm a single living thing. I do not hunt and never have, because firstly I believe that when killing things becomes a pasttime you have no business calling yourself decent human being; secondly, a fine creature's life is not mine to take; and thirdly, a dead bird or animal is absolutely no use to me. Please don't tar us all with the same brush.
@@MSM4U2POM The point is that it's very hard to pick up a computer and kill yourself or someone else with it.The same with a house. It is very easy to kill yourself or others with a gun as is shown by how many accidental shootings there are, particularly involving children. Why bother with the risk? In a heated argument, no one is rational - give those people a gun there will always be a chance of someone dying. No gun, there is a chance for resolution or de-escalation. Guns create fear and fear creates hostility. If police and citizens in the US didn't have to fear for their lives, I imagine things would look different as is evidenced by the UK. So guns are absolutely terrifying. I can't pick up a book and accidentally kill anyone with it.
Also remember that the general approach to policing is very different. UK police tend to diffuse situations not come in heavy handed like the US tend to and as such have immense respect
Police in the UK are founded on ‘ethical policing’ and so act according to the Peelian principles, wherein their power derives from those they police - and that power can only be exercised with the cooperation of those they police
US police on the other hand have quite different origins and derive their power from government and are legally set apart from, rather than an integral part of, those they police
@@ohpurpled policing by consent is something they like to say for pr reasons but in practise theyll beat you rob you and lock u up on false charges and theres nothing you can do about it because the system is designed to protect police from any accountability and punish anyone who dare speak out
Yeah, it’s not like SWAT in the US.
Live in some parts of the country where you are lucky to get a call answered and thats if you aren't sent a community officer.
@@maryy6068 agree with that tbf...government cuts I guess
It makes me so sad that you are so shocked that guns aren't used because it highlights how common guns are in the USA. So many lives lost unnecessarily due to guns being misfired. People feel less need to carry guns because police don't carry them. We see the problem in the UK with knives....in certain areas there is so much knife crime and its because everyone could get a knife, so if you're in an area where crime is high/gangs rule, it is often said by teens and others found with knives that they have to carry them for protection. I imagine thats how people in the USA feel with guns. The more fear there is someone else has a gun (or knife), the more likely even a non criminally minded person is to carry and use it in a state of panic. Weapons breed fear, which breeds defensiveness. So understandable but could be solved if less Weapons were so easily obtainable.
Knives are easy to get hold of. I remember when my sons were in their teens, someone told me to always check my kitchen to make sure none were missing. They're not really the type but it's good advice if you suspect your children may be influenced by a gang.
I’m still surprised though that he was so surprised himself that UK police don’t carry guns usually, as that is literally one of the biggest things internationally they are most famous for. I thought everyone knew that by now, even if you didn’t know the smaller details. I do see that some police who are doing patrols in high terror threat areas are carrying bigger guns, but I definitely hope it doesn’t increase any more than that, as I DO NOT want our country in the slightest to start getting police who are equipped like those in the US
This, the last time I saw a gun was last week while walking in the Chiltern Hills and us seeing some shooters hunting pheasants, we don't see people carrying pistols day to day for self defence.
Even knife crime is less serious than people think, cause stabbings often make national news and paints a warped picture. And the government bans fancy knives when the majority of stabbings involve stuff like regular kitchen knives.
Even with knife crime, the figures are considerably worse in the US. Deaths and maimings from bladed weapons are something around three times higher per million in the States compared with the UK. Overall knife crime statistics are misleading because we count every incidence, including people arrested for carrying a knife.
The US has a problem with violence, not just guns. Not that we should be complacent in the UK.
The U.S. may have more homicides that involve guns but you know what the UK has more of per capita thanks too there being no guns? Rape. Guns give women in the U.S. a chance too actually fight against men. Weve had weapons in the U.S. forever but the homicide by gun has only gotten bad since the 80s which shows its a cultural problem not a gun problem. Gang culture has done more harm to the U.S. when it comes to homicide than any gun has.
Theres pros and cons too having guns in a nation.
I don't think I've ever seen a real gun in the uk, and I'm 42. There were once reports that a gun was found in a kids school grounds, and that caused enough of an uproar. It was probably one of the most shocking things really.. and no one even fired it! I can't imagine the anxiety of dealing with armed police in America. They seem to start of at attack mode.. especially when I see the videos of people of colour being pulled over by the police.. I mean racial profiling is dangerous in itself... But racial profiling with bullets..I just can't... Stay safe guys..
If you've been in the countryside or on any farms in the uk, that would change. I've definitely seen farmers with guns and armed police/guards in the uk, and I've only lived there about 14 years.
I've only seen armed police in London and that was during a period of high alert.
Yes, I've seen farmers with shotguns, not semi-automatic firearms! There's a big difference.
What's interesting though, it's the fact that when there is a crime situation in the UK where the perpetrators are indeed armed with guns, it takes the special police brigade not much more time then their US counterparts to intervene. And yeah, they're armed to the teeth AND actually, especially trained for this kind of intervention and so, as a consequence, there's less chance of police blunders
Also, if only criminals have guns, waving around a gun automatically means all bets are off.
It's a metaphorical raising of the black flag.
And there's an investigation every time a firearm is discharged by an officer, and said officer is usually placed on (paid) leave during the investigation.
the first duty of a police officer in the UK is to save life.
And the first duty of a police officer in the US is to 'protect themselves'
Uphold the law and maintain the public peace, actually.
No it's to uphold the law . Hence why police officers call themselves the force !!
@@juliecobbina2024 no they call themselves a service these days.
Haha the majority of police officers don’t care about you they care about the interest of the government
In the UK, it's the police who grant firearms licenses; usually to farmers for pest control. The majority of the public will never come across a gun in their entire lives.
If a firearm incident does occur, each police division has a tactical response team with guns. They will be the only officers on duty who are authorized to discharge a weapon.
depends on what part of the UK you live in, London has a lot of armed police and in Northern Ireland all the police are armed at all times.
@@georgebarnes8163 True, but that's down to past experiences with terrorism, not anything else.
I'm in my seventies and I have only seen guns at airports also when abroad see local police with them. I have never held a gun either
You're probably right that most people in this Country don't have anything to do with Firearms, but you're wrong that's just farmers that have guns. You would be surprised how many people actually have access to Firearms
@@alanmackinnon3516 Figures from 2021 show that in England and Wales there are 156,033 people with firearms licences, and a further 25,983 in Scotland. Still a tiny proportion of the population any way you shake it.
"Maybe not many people carry guns..."
Yup. Most people in the UK have never seen a gun in real life, except maybe on special police officers at main stations and airport during a high level security alert. It's just not a thing.
Look up the UA-cam series "Americans living abroad: What`s one time you realized America really messed you up?". Quite a lot of it is about Americans realising that gun crime is not big problem outside America.
In the UK, to own a firearm legally, a license has to be applied for. This license requires that the weapon is kept in specific circumstances. Locked cupboard with the firing mechanism kept in another locked cupnoard/container.. At any time the storage can be checked. Having a weapon without a current license or stored in an incorrect manner is illegal.
Looks like the US police go out ready for battle. British police go out ready to police.
Yes regular cops in the UK do not carry a firearm. The specialist firearm units that are attached to each local police force can be called for serious incidents. There were 2 fatalities last year from cops shooting the offenders in the UK. While you can possess a gun in the UK you need to go through a whole procedure with local police and local doctors to say why and whether you are stable enough to have such. Even if they allow you to have a gun it must be held in a locked secure gun safe within your home.
Dude the uk pice is shit. Even in most EU nations civilians cant carry gund and most police officers are armed. Im part of the 4rd safest nation on earth and all cops carry guns. Having unarmed cops make no sense
@richt71 Well said bud!
@@dedeferreira98 considering cops can use their power to their advantage in the moment without nobody being able to stop them,them not being able to carry guns makes alot of sense. If chances are the civilian doesn’t have a gun the normal police don’t need them that way everyone feels safe and chances are everyone is safe.
@@shuuuuushhshs2698 that makes no sense. A cop carrying a gun is the only way to ensure that they cam protect you from any threat.
Just because a gun is rare doesnt mean cops should be ready for it. Even a knife is a lethsl threat that sometimes must be dealt with a gun. If you are being stabbed on the ground a cop must be able to pull out a gun and shoot the guy.
Having unarmed cops actually gives more the feeling of unsafety because you know that they cant protect you from lethal threats..cops in uk are basicaly what mall security is in the rest of europe or the world
@@dedeferreira98 they have tasers for knifes and they have never had to protect anyone from a serious threat that i know and I haven’t grew up in the best area (I’m not poor or struggled for money just saying the area wasn’t the best} and still everyone’s doing just fine. Plus if i was being stabbed on the ground it’s probably already to late tbh.
What they forgot to mention was that in the UK the bobby on the beat used to be armed with his (it was always his, then) most potent weapon, the police whistle. Many a ne’er do well would stand paralysed with fear at the mere sound of this instrument. Hardened criminals would stop in their tracks saying: “Alright, copper, lawks a’mighty. You’ve got me good and proper and no mistake. I guess it’s off to Old Chokey for me now!” as he got hauled off with a cuff around the ear for his mischievous shenanigans.
Well, that’s how I perceived it in Dixon of Dock Green when I was a kid.
😅
Danish police don't carries firearms either. I'm 45 years old and while I have seen a firearm a few times IRL, I have never seen one fired. And I don't think this is unusual for a danish person. And I'm happy for that! The chance of me being in a scenario where I might get (accidentally or otherwise) shot, is so small, I can't even imagine how that would happen! And I'm happy for that too! ❤
There's huge emphasis on de-escalation training in the UK too. I've watched first hand UK officers do everything they can to NOT let things get out of hand. I don't know how true it is in the UK now, but when I was young culturally you were automatically considered a coward for using a gun for crime. Even other criminals looked down on you. Same used to be true of knives, but unfortunately they seem to be much more common amongst the young these days.
a lot of people in the UK I have heard of documentaries and while working on the doors that most criminals dont wish to carry a gun due to the fact that if they use a gun, the law will send people after them till they are detained no matter what. Knives the police will sometimes pull back and find them later because they our police prefer to de-escalate a situation. Even as a door supervisor (used to be called a bouncer in the 90's) but even now the door staff are trained to de-escalate situations and try to calm things down.
When a British traffic cop stops a driver, they don't say things like "let me see your hands!" They know that there is virtully no chance that the driver has a gun. No cops have guns here unless they are guarding an embassy or member of the Royal Family, or high-profile politician.
Thats just stupid. Even if its rare, they should act like they dont exist lol.
@@dedeferreira98 if cops suddenly started appearing carrying guns it would cause quite a stir here.
Yes the first thing they say is " would you turn off your engine" ( put your hands where we can't see them!)
@@dedeferreira98 I'd rather have the British system where cops and civilians don't get killed.
@@davidmorris3981 cops do get killed. More often than in the rest of europe. Cops in uk get injuried by knifes. No cop in europe fears knives cuz they have a gun
UK resident here: only gun I’ve ever seen and held was my grandads air rifle and he lives in the middle of nowhere on his farm in Gloucester. He told me that the only time it’s been loaded and aimed at someone was when someone tried to go onto his land to fox hunt. He loaded it in front of them and pointed it at the pos threatening that he will open fire if they trespass on his land while my Nan inside called the police and told them about the fox hunters
We simply don't have a gun culture in the UK which is why it is so difficult for Americans to comprehend, but that is the core reason that the majority of UK police officers do not need to be armed with guns.
British armed response unit officers are trained to a much higher standard than the general run of the mill US police officer and UK police across the board are trained to try and de-escalate situations before the use of any kind of force becomes necessary.
The American rate of death by gunfire is 12.21 per 100,000 citizens whereas UK is .028 per 100,000. Not having guns obviously leads to fewer deaths. So in the U.S. last year around 40,000 people were killed by guns. The number of wounded is usually double that number but 2021 was a particularly violent year so the stats may be higher - no official count yet.
What about the people saved through defensive use of firearms?" The report Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence indicates a range of 60,000 to 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year". The US has more guns per 100 inhabitants than any other country in the world, yet is 9th on the world's total deaths by firearms whilst having a bigger population than most countries also. It is also 17th place in the world for homicides using a gun. The facts don't really back up your argument. Just by sheer number the USA should be top on all these lists - by your logic.
@@DeadlyDan Other societal factors come into play to determine how many people die by the use of firearms other than just the quantity of weapons. I could go into describing why if you wish.
Think though about what you said - defensive use of firearms is mostly necessary because of the common use of guns in attacks on others. In order to counter guns you have to have guns. I understand that people see gun possession as their "right" but there is no way you can twist that to make it a benefit to society overall. I also understand that Americans are paranoid about their own government and feel they have to be armed against it. However, focusing on the original topic - Americans kill each other more often with guns because we have been armed with guns. Is that in any way a false statement?
If you want my personal opinion about guns I'll make this statement - guns and gun violence have been part of American culture since the establishment of this country. That isn't something easily changed or mitigated. Having weapons for hunting and survival used to be a necessity. That isn't true for many people any longer but we keep behaving as if it is. We enjoy guns but there is a cost to choosing to keep them. I don't think that having more guns is going to help stop gun violence. That is like saying that having more hand grenades will lead to fewer people getting blown up. Way too many people are aggressive, crazy, and plain irresponsible with the things they are given - including something like a gun.
@@brianh9358 two excellent comments mate. Well said. 👍
@@brianh9358 that was perfectly said👍👍👍👍
@@DeadlyDan To say you only come 9th in the world (193 countries) like its no big deal is pretty dumb. 9th puts the US just behind the narco-states in the Middle Americas and South America. Well done!!!!!! 17th for homicides allows more S American countries plus South Africa and The Philippines into the mix. Again, nothing for a supposedly 1st World Nation to be proud of and leaving many other countries far safer places to live in.
As for "The report Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence indicates a range of 60,000 to 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year" - Is that the best they can do ffs. A 3 yr old could make a better guess than that. That's like saying 1.3M +/- 95% error. Who gives a shit about garbage statistics like that. A weak argument.
From what I understand (I used to recruit UK cops), selection and training of UK police is far more rigorous and lengthy than in US. All new UK Officers are now expected to study for a Degree. A lot of emphasis is placed on working with different communities and how to interact with people. Training follows nationally agreed standards.
The UK police have gone political and woke... with Health & Safety laws added to the mix the police here have become pretty useless and soft.
@@lilyanaharforde3374 British policing is by consent and evidence-based. I simply cannot imagine what sort of policing you would prefer but it sounds like something suitable only for a dystopian fascist nightmare.
@@Teesbrough - It's supposed to be that way but depending on which side of the fence you sit on it very rarely is. Your response is a typical one from the woke brigade.
@@lilyanaharforde3374 ‘woke Brigade’? You really need to think more about what you write when you start chucking out nonsense accusations to people you don’t know in derogatory terms.
@@lilyanaharforde3374 maybe try to go up against a police officer in the UK and see how well you fare.
They are highly trained and skilled at trying to de-escalate situations rather than cause a blood bath.
If in “woke” you mean preventing unnecessary carnage and death among population as well as the police force, I’d rather be on the woke side of the fence.
And I’d also say that if you compare police from the past to the police we have today, I think you’ll find that they are more highly skilled than at any time in our policing history.
The Japanese police don’t carry guns either. When I first moved to the United States, finding out that cops carry guns freaked me out. But then I found out that even civilians carry guns and that really scared the living crap out of me.
I know 1 person, in my entire acquaintence, that has a gun licence. She enjoys clay pigeon shooting and has a gun for that. She keeps it (as she is required to) in a proper gun safe with amunition kept separate. She's the only civilian i've ever met that handles a gun regularly. The only other people that might are serving armed forces (although my dad only did when he was required to do his training exercises & refreshers), armed police (there's usually a unit per policing area), protection officers and the odd farmer. Most other gun owners would be like my friend, maybe a member of a shooting club who wants their own gun (rather than the ones kept under lock and key at the club) because they have specific weight or size requirements etc.
I find the frequent media reports of mass shootings in the US really shocking, especially when the shooters are minors or people who are mentally unstable. As someone used to the UK system, I can't understand how kids or people who seem to be mentally unwell are able to gain access to guns.
I also find the frequent accounts of police shooting suspects shocking, and it's even more disturbing that ethnic minorities are disproportionately represented in the victims of police shootings.
I don't know what the answer is, but America seems out of step with many developed countries on this, not just the UK.
Also shocking is the number of people killed in the US by young children who picked up a loaded gun.
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Criminals don’t care about laws, mass shooting happen in gun free zones and the people that are doing that about 99% of the time are doing it with illegal guns. Even states like Texas have a age requirement and background checks, before u can purchase it. As for the police shooting look at the states individually and look up the number of police that interact with a public daily, its not really normal. Now place like Chicago it’s more likely but it’s almost impossible to actual carry a gun legally. Also u are very wrong about it happening more to ethnic minorities, it’s just the media please go check it out.
@@AliceAndWonderland2
"The age-standardised mortality rate due to police violence in non-Hispanic Black people from 1980 to 2019 was estimated to be 0·69 (95% UI 0·67-0·71) per 100 000, which was 3·5 times higher than the rate for non-Hispanic White people, at 0·20 (0·20-0·20) per 100 000. Over the same period, the estimated rate in Hispanic people of any race from 1980 to 2019 was 0·35 (0·34-0·36) per 100 000, 1·8 times higher than for non-Hispanic White people, and the rate for non-Hispanic people of other races was 0·15 (0·14-0·16) per 100 000"
Taken from some research analysis done for The Lancet
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01609-3/fulltext
Give the lower classes guns and they kill eachother.
American adversarial mindset.
Also, who the hell cares what color people the bullets come from?
Or are you gonna tell me certain breeds are predisposed to violence? >_>
I have lived in the UK all my life and have always felt very safe, I do however feel apprehensive in counties where guns are worn by police officers. People can have guns in the UK but the regulations are strict, you must have a licence, a secure cupboard to store them that can be locked and ammunition stored separately from the firearm.
Our kids are lucky to feel safe at school. Wouldn't survive a month in America
Nd the police can check at any time, if not up to standard they confiscate. Plus it’s usually only single or double barrelled shotguns mainly on farms.
@@angshusarma8331 According to the FBI you have a better chance at winning the lottery while being eaten by a shark then being in a school shooting... do some research next time you speak
@@AK-American do I give a daam about what FBI thinks? No. Please do some research
@@AK-American i rather take 0 chances of school shootings
When I was a young lad in the 1960s, people carried sharpened metal combs because it was a comb, not a weapon. Sharpend on the back edge like a knife it could and did slash people. There were also the girls' type of metal comb with a sharp point, which could also be sharpened to stab. It became such a problem that metal combs are still banned in the UK. Brass knuckle dusters were still used by people. Then there was the cosh a sock type of bag with sand in you'd whack someone over the head head; it left no obvious mark but would do serious damage or knock someone out and could be quickly emptied if needed.
Knives back then were regulated but not like they are today, so longer blades, flick knives, lock knives could all be carried legally.
Guns are not banned in the UK; they are just strictly regulated.
In 1959, the last man to hang in the UK was a 19 year old Derek Bentley who today would be called mentally challenged probably. Back then, they just said he was slow, easy to lead on.
He was hung because he and a 16 year old committed a crime, and the 16 year old had a gun and shot the copper dead after Bentley had been heard saying, " Give him it!"
His barrister said he meant," give him the gun!"
The Crown argued he meant kill him. The jury went with the crown 19 year old Bentley was hung the 16 year old too young to hang did time.
I think in the 90s some 30-40 years later Bentley was given a posthumous pardon.
Not that it did him any good.
So gun crime was never worth doing unless it was against other gangsters.
The Kray twins the Richardsons and other forgotten gangs used guns but not against coppers or civilians only other gangsters.
I grew up in the country and at 7 years old, my mate a farmers son same age as me, would just go in and ask his dad could we have the gun to shoot rats with in the barn, barn rats are bloody big things and we had a laugh shooting a shotgun and killing them.
Even though doing it damn near knocked us on our arse in the straw.
You couldn't do that today.
I dont often go out to pubs these days but in the 70s and before it wouldn't be unusual for glass pint glasses to be broken and used you knew how bad the pub or nightclub was as soon as you saw the plastic beer glasses.
My point in all this is people go on about knife crime in the UK like it's a new thing a sign of more dangerous times.
But honestly, if you look down through British history even if only from the 19th and early to mid 20th century, England alone was far more dangerous then than it is today that's not mentioning Scotland or NI.
British police in certain areas have argued that they need guns from time to time, but it's also realised if the beat cop is armed then so will the average criminal so commonsense prevails and guns are restricted to an armed response unit who have been known to shoot first.
Armed Terrorists are usually sorted by the SAS not police and the SAS don't like taking prisoners. Unless unavoidable.
So no Policemen do not carry guns, criminals don't carry the majority of the time.
That's how we like it.
Statistically speaking I think the US shoots more people in a week than we have in over a decade or more.
Well said.
It's a lot safer in the UK, my ex husband had to jump through so many hoops to get a gun just for hunting. Once hed got the gun he then had to have a gun case that was screwed to an outside wall and the police came to my house to check the gun case and where the key was kept and his license. Then every year for 3 years he was check to make sure he was still following the rules.
You don’t need to protect yourself from guns if they don’t have guns
you can't be more correct.
but the USA is a different animal.
I would feel safer as a cop in the uk without a gun then a cop in the usa with a gun.
I'm british and if there is a situation needing a gun they bring in the CTSFO (counter terrorist specialist firearms unit) or ARV (Armed response vehicle)
I live in the North of England and I had only ever seen one gun in my whole life and it wasnt even a "real" gun it was a gun for clay pigeon shooting.
Then I went on holiday to Florida in 2001 and saw hundreds of them on sale in Walmart.
I policed the streets with a wooden stick. We did have firearm support teams that were distributed more strategically after the Hungerford incident.
Also, UK police are trained more to deal with suspects with guns and knives. Our policy is not to shoot first (taser or gun) and ask questions later. 😎
I live in the UK, and I feel a lot safer knowing that almost everyone I come across does not own a gun. I feel like I have a much better chance surviving a knife attack then a gun attack, cause I can run away from a knife
This. A knife attack is actually quite limited in scope. The person has to be close and very rarely can they take out multiple people. A gun can kill a number of people and also from range. It's why you hardly hear of a mass stabbing but will hear of mass shootings.
If you can find it, you may wish to check out a programme called Police Interceptors. It follows specialist units which do have firearms training if required to use it. Which they rarely/never do. But it'll so show how differently they approach the situation when there are no guns involved. In the 1st instance, they're taught to talk to people.
About 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the US between 1968 and 2011. ( suicides homicides accidents ). In 2018 there were 38290 deaths. A high price to pay for the 2nd Amendment right.
Yes, it's said that the average American will see 2 million of his/her fellow American die to the gun in their lifetime.
Now do defense gun use since 1968. Probably much higher than gun misuse. But hey if you don’t like the 2nd amendment then you can leave. There’s plenty of countries that don’t have that.
@@matthewmorel3758 Never lived in the USA. If you like your homicides keep your guns. More guns equals more deaths.
@@tefalhead7396 where did you get that statistic from. Honestly I’d like to know because in my state (New Hampshire) we have some of the laxest gun laws in the country yet we’re safer than many European countries.
A very stupid thing this: 2nd amendment.... Old fashioned and longtime overdue
So, there are four countries, as far as I know, where the cops generally don’t carry firearms, unless there’s a heightened state of alert. Those four are Ireland, New Zealand, Norway, and UK.
They carry guns here where I am in Northern Ireland.
@@ruthie2858 i think he was referring to the r o i
There are a number of countries and territories where firearms are not routinely carried - Bhutan, Botswana, Cook Islands, Fiji, Iceland, Ireland, Kiribati, Malawi, Marshall Islands, Nauru, New Zealand, Niue, Norway, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Tuvalu, the United Kingdom (except Northern Ireland), Vanuatu, U.S. Virgin Islands.
I thought Japan as well?
@@emilydavison2053 They do carry guns.
Our gun laws changed after a school shooting in Dunblane, Scotland (in 1995 I think) in order to have a gun, police do mental health checks, and check to see if the guns are contained safely in a locked cabinet or safe. You have to have a licence to own a gun in the UK.
Wouldn't it feel nice to live in a society where you aren't scared of getting shot at any time of the day.??? where you can go about and rarely hear a gunshot ring out.
That is what the majority of countries are like. I had a gun licence for 10 years for my job as a security officer. We did 2 gun range tests a year , and yearly 1st aid training course to go with it. That is to hold the licence. You own a gun, it must be in a locked gun safe aswell and the police will do random early morning checks to see if you are complying and your licence and registration is up to date. And yes, they do do these.
The UK has special units that are on stand-by to deal with gun-related crimes.
There was a video about "swatting" in the US vs UK that showed the culture and threat difference with cops in the UK and America. In America it was SWAT teams going in hard and fast with lots of shouting and force. In the UK it was a knock at the door to confirm the situation and an invitation to come in for a cup of tea.
It's not necessarily hard to get a gun in the UK, but you can be arrested just for carrying one, and the punishment is a lot more severe if you're caught, so it's generally not worth it. Our knife crime is high overall, and o don't agree with all the restrictions, but it's actually lower than America's. This idea that people will draw a knife and warn you they're about to attack is fantasy. Most of the time a gun won't help you from a knife attack because you've been stabbed before you even realise the threat.
In fact, UK knife crime is relatively low, especially compared to the US. The idea that we have high levels of knife crime is a myth spread by US conservatives trying to defend their lethal gun laws.
Knife crime in the UK only seems high compared to a country where every man and his dog carry guns.
@@LG-cz6ls Only it's actually higher in America, despite the guns.
@@MrEsphoenix Yep. The lack of guns allows wazzocks to focus on knives.
@@tullochgorum6323 yup. What they don't realise (or pretend not to) is that a "knife crime" may be any crime where the offender is found to be carrying a knife (legal or not) or similar tool which could be used as a stabbing or cutting weapon. So, like a screwdriver. They don't even have to have used it on someone or have threatened to. Possession is enough in context. Imagine if every jaywalker in the US carrying a penknife got recorded as a "knife crime". That's how dumb US Right wingers are.
A lot of our policing focuses on de-escalation but we do have a highly trained armed response unit when necessary.
When I joined in 1980 we had a radio which worked most of the time (UHF) , 18" wooden truncheon and pair of handcuffs that's it.
UK and US Policing are worlds apart
Thankfully
They are indeed. The UK has better training and focuses on de-escalation.
Sorry Jay, left my last comment with my name showing 😝
I served two years on the force and only had to draw my baton once and never ended up actually using it- though I guess Inwas lucky in that respect. UK police have dedicated armed response units that can be despatched to incidents along with dedicated guards for places such as airports, nuclear facilities etc.
I would say that CS spray would be enough to deter me, never mind the tasers which I never used- all officers must go through experiencing both CS spray and Taser during training so that they know how it feels and to use it responsibly 😭🤧🤮 lol
We had a mass shooting at a pre-school in March 1996 "see "Dunblane Massacre" and after that the government outlawed firearms by the same time the following year... Knife crime is sadly on the rise in the major cities, but we don't seem to suffer from "mass casualty" incidents anymore (knock on wood.)
In my country, police officers do carry a gun but most officers spent their whole carrear without firing a weapon during service. Like, the amount of paper work they have to do after one shot is enough for them to avoid firing haha
It's not just the police who don't have guns. Even among criminals, gun possession is pretty rare. I'm from New York originally but I never want to return to the US. There are two reasons: the cost of healthcare in the US and the high incidence of gun crime.
In Poland regular cops (those you see on the streets) have guns like pistols (short guns) + the stuff similiar to UK policeman have. The rest depends on place of service - for example if you are policeman securiting high risk football game, you get things like helmet or extra stuff to cover your body (apart from bullet proof vest).
Many years ago there was an initiative to stop excess fighting and knife crime outside of nightclubs after closing.
The Police went around handing out lollipops (suckers for the American's among us) and it really worked. It's super hard to stay angry at someone when you have a lollipop stick sticking out of your mouth. Of course, some plonker started on about obesity and it got scrapped but as a de-escalation technique it was amazing.
hi buddy just a quick one...... we have free ambulances so the police have first aid kit in the vehicle and ambulance called. The only people running around with guns in UK are farmers (shotguns for vermin) and terrorist generally. Then the Police Service trained firearms officers ( not a Force here anymore) generally take them out
To be honest, even with knife crime, it doesn't compare to the deaths you get in the states. Yes, knife crime is a problem for us, but it tends to be centred around teenagers (boys particularly) in major cities and wouldn't say it's constant worry to your average person. Gun violence is very rare and special armed police are called if a suspect is known to have a gun. However, British police have a lot of training on how to de-escalate situations and how to deal with the public in general. For us as citizens, we usually find them very approachable. Kids are taught to go to a police officer if they're lost or need help for example. As adults, we tend to ask them for directions although not so much nowadays as we have maps on phones! Lol!
I'm going to leave you with a link for an episode of reality police show from here in the UK (the city of Hull in Humberside). You'll get an idea of how they do things here. It particularly shows how prevention is better than letting things get out of control.
ua-cam.com/video/3Am8On9H-tg/v-deo.html
That is now,back in the day (1979) in my case it was a wooden truncheon that was carried in a special pocket in the trouser and a pair of handcuffs,a female officers truncheon even smaller to fit into her issue handbag
I recall a while back that a shooting happened in some US school, with young kids getting shot. And a father of a little girl who came home afterwards was asked by his daughter, "Daddy, do we have a gun? And when he told her "yes we do" she started crying. He got rid of the gun after that.
I wouldn't have a gun if I could, they scare me. I shot at a clay pigeon once and the recoil was tremendous, I caught the edge of the clay pigeon though lol.
Yes we have knife crime.......kitchens are full of weapons we don't need a license for and its inevitable some people will use them, but no more than anywhere else. Don't assume it replaces your gun crimes because it doesn't. You have the freedom to carry guns, we have the freedom to live in peace and safety. Keep your guns on that side of the pond.
I was in the UK from the 1970s to the 1990s, and I can still remember when your normal bobby (police) only had a truncheon on him. To my eyes, what the UK police have now would have probably shocked the police of those era. I know that the police started deploying armed response police cars during the 1980s, when guns were kept locked in the glove compartment and only certain police were trained to use them. They had to receive formal permission to unlock and use those guns when called on.
There was a lot of debate during those days as to whether the police in the UK should be armed like the RUC in Northern Ireland, where carrying a gun was mandatory due to the Troubles. Mind you, the IRA was active in the UK during the 1980s, and bombs and mortars were going off regularly. Thatcher was almost killed during a IRA assassination bomb attempt. However, both rank and file rejected the call to carry guns in England, Wales, Scotland, because they said it would just fuel an arms race with the criminals. It was a matter that if the police carry guns, the criminals would carry guns to protect themselves from the police.
You're obviously a man with good taste in music.....love the Van Morrison lyrics on your t-shirt!! And that's his best song, too, in my opinion.
If I was to react to your reaction, I would be surprised to learn that you automatically raise eyebrows if the cops don’t carry guns. Its just amazing to me that you don’t realize that a long time ban against guns leads to less violence and less losses to life. But then again, long time bans against drugs don’t seem to do anything for Europe. Kudos to the USAS for realize that there are more to be done than just punishment.
Some UK Police carry guns but this is a specific department but normal police don't. American police are more likely to shoot first and ask questions later whereas UK police are more engaging.
Armed police patrol airports and mainline railway station and they get called to jobs where a suspect may have a gun. Sometimes they get called to traffic accidents, in the West Midlands where I live, armed police were called to an accident where a roadside repairman was crushed between the vehicle he was repairing and his own vehicle after it was hit by another vehicle - they were called because of their training because they know a lot about bleeding - the repairman survived.
We have very strict gun laws in the UK.
Not a good policing tho..most eu nations have a gun ban. Thats not a reasom to have a cop carrying a stick and radio
You forgetting PSNI in Northern Ireland they are armed.
Not sure if anybody commented already but the UK police wearing a bodycam is very important. The policeman knows that he must conduct himself within the law because his interaction is being filmed. Also a jury can see how the person being stopped behaved if it comes to a court of law.
I am from the UK and when I was a kid I wanted to be a cop in America because I think they are cool and I wanna have that second sense of safeness with a lethal firearm by my side ready for action but, look at me now as a person in the UK police force as a UK cop. And guess what? I have never had a life threatening injury but I guarantee I would if I joined the American police force especially because once, I was on patrol on a night shift and I had to respond to only ONE call and that was a noise complaint. However, there was a time when on one shift I responded to about 39 calls and used my taser about 13 times and pepper spray about 29 times. So if you think American police are safer you are half wrong half right. And this is from 13 years of police force experience and I work 6 days a week and 2 of those are the scary night shifts! Anyway, here is something for ALL police officers, no matter your country, thank you for keeping the streets safe and sound. Also to other frontline emergency workers thank you because I can’t imagine going into a fire or driving a MASSIVE vehicle at SUPER high speeds with someone’s life on the line in an ambulance. Stay safe everyone and me and emergency workers will keep protecting you. Have a good night or day!
Officers very rarely come up against guns, so they're not required to carry a gun themselves.
You Americans would be surprised how many countries _don't_ have a one man army living on every street.
Sometimes I wonder what America would be like today if they never gave you the right to bear arms and was just like every other country
I wonder sometimes too. The right to bear arm was written with the idea that civilians could form militia and rise up against an oppressive government at the time, so no government would be too powerful. It may have been a good idea then but now not so much, if you were to form a people's militia to overthrow the government now your just labeled a terrorist organization and watched carefully until you step out of line, the government will shut you down if you make a move against them so it's not even possible to use the amendment as it was intended. I'm American and we are drilled into us from an early age "we are free" " we are the best" "we are the most free of nations" etc But the best lie is the illusion of freedom. Yes we are more free then some other nations are but the word "freedom" is touted so much here it starts sounding more like propaganda especially when it's insisted your country does it better then anyone else does.
The air port is open. Leave. Don't like it here? Bye. A friend of mine from high-school used a gun to stop a guy from raping her. And London England past the overall murder rate in New York that same year two years ago murder is still murder and really? The citizens have no tanks so w lose? Like the insurgents in the middle east lost? Lol try again
Bear in mind, there was actually no practical difference in the law in Britain and in the USA at the time they split, despite Americans thinking it is somehow a 'new liberty' unique to the Constitution. What happened since is the difference. In the UK (and elsewhere in Europe) we responded both to situations when it was clear firearms where a becoming a problem (like after the Napoleonic and First World Wars when surplus military weapons became a issue) but also to social developments (like the evolution of the police force) which made possession less necessary by setting terms for access. We made amendments...imagine that.
@@BigStib shame they didn't add the right to be civilised, I guess bearing arms is just that important to them.
@@stanneh1978 You must remember that at the time the 2nd amendment was passed, the United States had no standing army bar one regiment of infantry which was used to garrison forts along the frontier, and one company of artillery used to guard military stores at West Point. Like Britain after the Civil War and Restoration there was an instinctive dislike of standing armies, which were regarded as tools of oppression. The United States Army was reactivated not long after, but remained small compared to the size of the country for many years, so the need for a "well regulated militia" which was the point of the 2nd remained valid. Really the 2nd should have been repealed when the frontier closed, circa 1890.
I’m English and one of my dads friends is a police officer and he’s part of the specialist armed response unit and he said he had never got into a situation where he had used his gun on a person and that he has only fired his gun at an actual incident once and it was to scare an animal away that was about to attack somebody
And just so you know it fully British police don’t carry guns unless they are part of a specialist unit like the armed response unit or the CTSFO (Counter terrorism security forces officer) but other than specialist units they are unarmed and many don’t even have tasers the reasons for this is because guns are highly illegal here in the Uk because we had 2 mass shootings and made guns illegal because of them since then we have only had 1 mass shooting and it was stopped quickly by an armed response unit
I live in a rural part of England and the last time an officer was attacked here was 2 years ago a police officer was murdered by being crushed with a car no weapon involved and after that incident the whole of the Uk was in shock with even the minister of Northern Ireland making a statement about it (Northern Ireland is Uk Republic of Ireland is not Uk)
I live in New Zealand and our police do not carry guns but they do have access to them when needed and they do carry a Taser
We have specialist fire arm officers (who carry rifles in teams of 3 officers who are extra trained) also the uk police load out changes depending on department
Not only UK police, most police in EU don't use guns (they have it, and they carry, but very rare use)
In Croatia you have
Regular Police
Traffic police (they have white hats)
they carry weapons, but very rarely use them
Intervention Police, usually securing larger rallies and football matches, they can to be armored and have shields
they have weapons, but they prefer to beat you, not to shoot
and finally for hardens criminals there is a
Anti-Terrorist Unit (like USA SWAT), but better, they are like SWAT + Rangers + Seal in one
Like Mirco Crocop? :D
@@stanneh1978 in fact crocop is a close combat instructor in the anti-terrorist unit :-)
@@tihomirrasperic not to mention a god damned legend too 😁
In the UK, Scotlands biggest Police force(Strathclyde Police) had a very good ART. They buzzed about the area, and were there in minutes of any problems. I think Lothian and Borders Police, and Fife Constabulary. Were much the same.
Actually we do have guns as we have SCO-19, Armed Response, and the Counter Terrorism Specialist Firearms Officers (CTSFO) these officers are deployed as a normal force and the fire arms are only used in an armed situation when a suspect is armed with a Melee weapon or a firearm or firearms or even explosives
There are some armed response units, but generally no, UK cops don't carry guns. We have strict gun control laws here, so we probably have significntly lower rates of gun crime. Knife crime is a serious issue in some parts of the UK.
I'm kinda baffled by the number of reports of unstable minors gaining access to guns and shooting people in US schools. I think it would be very difficult for a troubled UK adolescent to get their hands on fire arms and ammunition.
those unstable teenagers don't just have guns were talking fully automatic assault rifles.
I'm 47 and I've never seen a real gun in my life (I'm British.)
I've been living in London for over 40 years and i've never seen a shooting or a knife fight.
@@p.millard557 you’re not in the right part of the UK You’ve never seen a knife fight. Those are just as common as gang shootings in the USA
Small update to people who don't know, all UK officers are equipped with tasers now. It used to be an optional extra training course you could do after being in the force for a number of years but it has changed.
The UK does have Armed Police specialists, but they're only deployed in extreme cases for instance if a suspect has been reported to be in possession of a gun
I live in the UK and my town has over 300,000 people. I don’t remember anyone getting shot here in any circumstance. If you want an exciting life, don’t come here. I know on a weekday evening there are 6 police on duty, and they don’t have guns.
The police in the UK are trained in conflict resolution! I did a training course with the police in conflict resolution at work a few years ago and it’s incredible what they do. Stab vests are more vital than guns. Only Swat teams have them and used only when absolutely necessary 🏴
Only uk police with guns are specialist units or those guarding high risk locations. Rarely a need since guns are not very common so it’s a rare occasion to come across an armed assailant with a fire arm. If that’s case usually a armed response is called in.
We have armed response that is called in specifically when they think a firearm may be involved. It isn't needed in day to day policing or responding to most callouts. A lot of pro-gun Americans like to bring up the fact that we have a lot of knife crime, but funnily enough the US has higher knife crime per capita on top of all the gun crime.
The U.S, is nuts - that's the problem. It makes me sick. Lived in England in the sixties where the bobbies only carried a baton. A robber would never carry a gun on a job. Lived in France where they had the heavily armed CRS squads and in then in a peaceful Canada as well as here.
You know U.K. police don't typically carry guns. They also very rarely deal with people with guns. American police don't need to carry wound and gunshot treatment kits BECAUSE they carry guns, they need to carry them because guns are so common among the criminal population with which they deal. It's a completely different context.
you are missing some information.
in the UK the police don't carry guns you are correct.
that is because guns are not readily available at the local 7.11 as they are in the USA.
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 yea we don't let unstable children get hold of fully automatic assault rifles which believe it or not makes sense and everyone in the country far safer. this info won't sit well with Americans though.
@@stanneh1978 yet you (not you personally)allow unstable adults to get hold of fully automatic assault rifles.
@@bwana-ma-coo-bah425 doesnt happen. Im from Wales not America where everyone is over medicated amd under educated.
@@stanneh1978 sorry, thought you may have been from USA. Apologies for that. Finally someone with a brain. yes "America where everyone is over medicated and (overly) under educated." thanks
ARU police have permission to carry a firearm, although they are very restricted to use it.
By the way, UK Police do have an armed unit for when the situation demands it, and normal cops do sometimes bring a small sidearm too (i speak from experience, i am a brit and have been arrested before, the cops each had 1 sidearm on them)
We don't have a culture of ordinary individuals owning firearms, therefore there is less requirement for law enforcement to do so. Criminals tend to carry shotguns. Our gun laws are so strict. If there is a need for an armed response, then there are specialist units that are deployed. Knife crime among young kids is often the weapon used in gang warfare.
Shootings in UK meh extremely rare. Stabbings mainly London. We look at all the gun violence in USA and count our blessings.
There are stabbing all over the UK. There were 41.000 in 2021 (knife incidents not deaths) West Midlands police recorded the highest rate of knife crime last year. A 41% increase on the year before. So no, it’s not just London
Police reaction time in UK is usually very fast. You can call in a disturbance at 3am and several officers will arrive in a few mins if you're in a populated area. Most police are unarmed but if you report an event involving a weapon a whole mob of armed police will apear as if they teleported in. I live in a tiny UK city, there is always an amed response vehicle in the centre.
I'm just grateful that all three countries I have lived in have always had, still have, unarmed police officers (New Zealand, UK and now Ireland). And all train their officers for more than just a couple of months (I worked it out as the equivalent of 50 12 hour days of training in the US ON AVERAGE, meaning some are far less and others are more).
I should add, having just seen the comment from the US officer on policing in the UK stating he wouldn't be prepared to work over there unarmed, that (I don't know if they still do this but they did) a while back our local cops - Gardai - recruited from the US trained police officers. I only know because I knew someone who had been recruited this way, applied and been accepted. All was grand, until he discovered that a) the guards are unarmed on a daily basis (armed response/serious crime units excepted) and b) despite being a trained US police officer he was still expected to attend the police training school (in Templemore) and do his full training. He was highly offended, for some reason he had the idea that he wouldn't need any extra training and also that he could immediately join one of the armed units (he was one of the ordinary officers who walked the streets in a uniform back in the US) and when he discovered this wasn't the case he simply refused to join. Went a got a job elsewhere then moved back to the US and became an armed security guard at some shopping mall or something like that.
Good reaction Jayvee. Can see you are a man of taste as I spotted your ELO album cover on the wall behind! I know there is always shock that UK Police don't traditionally carry firearms, that said, the culture around firearms in the UK is completely different and it is generally thought that Police do not need to routinelly carry them. There is however armed response that can be called upon when necessary and there are plenty of clips on UA-cam of UK Firearms police in action and worth a look. The UK Police are generally very good at de-escalation as well, so even in armed confrontations, they are a lot less likely to shoot first, and ask questions later.