The VERY Messed Up Origins of Jack and the Beanstalk | Fables Explained - Jon Solo
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Thanks for watching everyone! Hope you liked this episode! (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ To those asking, from what I could find in my research the “Jack the Giant Killer” story isn’t connected to Jack and the Beanstalk like the fables we cover today are. However, they DO feature the same characters in their archetypal roles. “Jack” is the name of many young, male protagonists in many English fairy tales who also share similar character traits. Gogmagog is also used as the name of many giant characters. I’ll explain this in more detail in the episode where I break down Jack the Giant Killer!
Thank story
TBH This is one that I never heard the whole story. I knew about the beans being thrown out the window. The stalk growing. Jack climbed it. He came back down followed by the giant. The stalk got chopped down, and the giant falling. Maybe I didn't remember the rest? I guess it held no interest for me
shut up, your non stop yaking voice is the most annoying om youtube, shut up
P
I think the man eating giant in the clouds represents God and the deception involving beans is for you to learn through loss. Sure, you traded a far more valuable cow to get them, but if your suffering malnourished brain can make it back to Earth with some of that philosophical treasure, you could start a cult of some sort and learn to conduct profitable business. Of course you chop down the beanstalk so the giant can't reach earth. Having God follow you back down to Earth would likely result in some world ending apocalypse.
Boy who cried wolf next?
Hell yeah
Yesssssss
@Dark Fairy I remember doing a quick Wikipedia search on it shortly after I saw this channel. Most of the stories are the same but there is one darker that stuck out.
Plus I'm sure Jon could find other cultures versions of the story that are more messed up.
FishermanJustins yes that would be 🔥
There is a very messed up one I read from a book (that had the messed up little mermaid, puss and boots and snow queen aswell)
Don't continue if ya wanna read it yourself
The boy gets killed by the wolf at the end.
When my son was 6 he though the story went "Fie Fi Foh Fum I smell the blood of an English Nun" 😂
Nikki Atkins That works too!🤪❤️😂
PERFECT 😂
Good one!!!
Hahaha lol
There's Nun better...
A "good bed fellow" is just someone that doesn't snore or move around alot in their sleep and wake you up.
When I was a teen it was a way you'd troll everyone by suggesting you were sleeping with someone but actually mean you're sleeping with someone (in the same bed, that is).
i dont snore but my perents dont like it when i sleep with them at night they say i sleep kick
Stacy lily Stevens I have a cousin who used to sleep kick and she kicked me in the stomach before. Never will forgive her for that
@@sugarcookie5610 Are you 30?
@@bradleyweiss1089 I'm 30. And _STILL_ sleep at the foot of my parents' bed sometimes whenever I go home to visit them. *I'm also an only child with no children,* just a split level townhouse, a dog & a boyfriend -which I walk & feed BOTH twice a day! My folks are in their late 60's, & I don't see them often. So the older they get, Ima cherish each moment I can.
Lord knows I put them thru plenty hell from middle school thru college! Lol. It's not weird as it sounds tho. Plus their bed's HUGE, & they can kick me out if they want...
Back in the days when these stories were first published, it was very common for people to share beds, and a "good bedfellow" was one who didn't hog the blankets or thrash about in their sleep.
Unequivocal mannerisms
Yeah really JonSolo, get your mind out of the gutter lol
Yep. Even traveling strangers back then shared beds. Less hype and more research please?
True, I'm sure, but I still like JonSolo's version better.
Back in the day, most families slept in one bed together, so it’s not weird that Jack and his Grandma would have been “bedfellows”. Saying he was a good bedfellow just meant he didn’t kick her at night or steal the blankets. Sounds creepy to us today, but there’s nothing weird there in historical context. Love your channel... keep up the great work!
I oftentimes slept in the same bed as my grandma until the age of about 8 when we moved house.
I love how savage you are in this video! A Kardashian ancestor 🤣
Yep, I don't even know what they do for a living. Somehow I don't think they are pleasant people.
@@zeamagogu4029 they sleep with famous black guys
@@destinyao2935, for a living? There's a name for that.
@@cupid297 pornstar
Let's not forget that Fortnite e-sports joke.
Actually, back when Jack Spiggins was written, central heating wasn't a thing. So it wasn't unusual for family members to share beds to stay warm during cold winter nights. Most likely Granny telling Jack about him being "a good bedfellow" means that he's not hogging the sheets, performing Dutch Ovens or snoring. Granted, some shenanigans might've been going on but most likely it was just them sharing a bed to stay warm.
😂 all the men waking up with a morning wood u know there will be hands everywhere Dutch ovens will be the least of the debauchery
When he started talking about Grandma's "magic bean" I almost fell out of my chair.
And with large families there just wasnt room. My next sister down and I shared a bed when we were little. Even in the late 1980s when I was a student in Manchester (UK) i met neighbours living in a 2 room flat with 5 children. When my flat mate and I moved we gave them the 2 ex army beds we had bought for our bedsit. The wife was in tears of happiness. The whole family had been sleeping in 1 double bed.
@@DarkLordofTheSith69 did you really have to?
A couple of interesting notes to this origin. The surname of the first Jake story is Spriggan, and Spriggans are Fairy sprites from Cornwall. So the original story may have more to do with the stories of Fairies that proliferated in the earlier days of what was to become the British Isles, than at first appears.
Secondly, Gogmagog is the legendary giant of Albion, who was defeated by Corineus, who was granted land for this feat, which became Cornwall. So, Cornwall twice for origin place.
Lastly, and doubtfully coincidental, Gog and Magog were the demon spirits that King Solomon defeated to secure the safety of his peoples and kingdom.
So the original tale of Jack and the Beanstalk may be so strange because it may have a lot more allegories in it, and you could think of it more along the lines of one of Dante's stories, than just a strange, old piece of fiction.
Wow, that’s amazing. Thank you!
"If you want to hear what virgin's screams sound like just visit Fortnite east board event" LMAOOOOO XDDDDDDD
Yo I am dying to that , lol.
esport event he said but still funny af
I dont get it .w.
*E sports
Esport* are you deaf
I can't stop laughing about the Fortnite burn... I had the pause the video, Ill be back in a bit whahaha
I was snickering all the way through after that line. =)
Same here. XD That was so rich!
@sam I did the exact same thing XD
I stopped watching briefly just to replay that bit to my son.
I fucking love that part 😂😂😂 I had to show it to my friend cuz he’s a virgin and biggest gamer I know
"What is she a kardashian ancestor" 😂😂😂!!! OML
When he said imagine a old dirty man rockin on achair chewing on wheat but used that old New York spinster voice I cried laughing😂😂🤣😂
LMAO meto
"Kardashian ancestor" 😂😂😂
I'm gladly demonatized now 😂😂😂
Could you do thumbalina or the swan princess, I love these videos they are so entertaining
Hannah Simon OMG YES!!!!!!!
@@KellzGurl21 yessss
Waw yass
Thumbalina is my fave so yas
@@Rawan_unfiltered why don't we♡♡
"Fe, foe, Fan I smell the Blood of an Englishman."
Even though I have English heritage, deep DEEP DOWN the Scottish side of me is laughing his head off. So cool learning the Origins of that classic line. Makes the story even better. Thanks for all you do. Keep it up.
Should make you laugh yeah, cos the idea of 'english blood' (also scottish blood) is just neo-nazi BS pseudoscience. Both are just cultural identities.
What I realize is that as soon as you add magic to the story, the “messed-upness” is going to be next level and somebody’s gonna die.
*[anger noises]*
I smell the blood of an English man
Be he alive, or be he dead.
I'll have his bones to grind my bread.
Jack: Oh shi- *starts to speak Spanish*
Giant: Ah it seems my nose has deceived me
Jack: Sí
Fe Fi Fo Phat, I tawt I tawt a puddy tat. LMFAO. That damn giant from looney tunes!
@@inspiringwhisper133 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Inspiring Whisper omg😂😂😂
Alright another Jon solo video to keep me entertained for the next 20 minutes thanks dude.
thank YOU for watching! Hope you like it :)
Bruh I know it's like this is the only new and good stuff on UA-cam
@@JonSolo oh yes I have always enjoy these stories of old lol, but pretty soon here your going to need to find more weird fairy tales from other countries well the besides the ones you have already done. Oh and BTW nice shirt.
Plz do 101 dalmatians
@@JonSolo
I like Spyro.
Nobody:
Jon: yOUr gONna WaNna pAy aTTentIOn tO tHis oNE
*Jon Solo:* explains everything that happened in the book
*Me:* huh?
"What is she??A kardashian ancestor??!!"
I just lost it at that point!!!Had to pause to laugh for a moment🤣🤣🤣
same
Same
Cant help but think of the Rick and Morty episode. They stop at the weird and freaky tavern on the way down.
Slippery Stair! 25 SCHMECKELS!
And Morty almost got raped. I was mortified.
Hi. I'm King Jellybean...
Pangkou Lee would u say you were... MORTYfied
Bedfellow: a person that shares a bed with another
•a person or thing allied or closely connected to another
The Enchantress turns into a monstrous frog!
Jack: Why am i hearing boss music?
Next, you should do messed up origins of Robin Hood
Or King Arthur.
@@willlyon7129 King Arthur would be interesting as there's still debate regarding it the guy even existed at all or if he was just a mix of different great kings.
I forget his name, but an architect in the 1920s tried finding King Arthur's burial site, which according to legend it was underneath a church, using the same method of construction as the church builders of the 6th century, which is when King Arthur supposedly existed.
Unfortunately, the Church of England who was the owner of the plot he was investigating (he found evidence of the crypt mentioned in the legends, by the way, just no bones) thought that his method of using math to calculate exactly the location of the tomb was devil worship and banned him from investigating ever again.
Ooh one of my favourite classics
@@willlyon7129 Robin Hood, King Arthur never existed.
@@ZimVader-0017 Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.
Could you please do a series on mythological creatures and beings like gnomes, gouls, ghost, vampires, ogers, trolls, elves, etc. I would love to see how theese play in to our folklore and folktales
Jelle Baas How about half-breeds such as half-vampires, half-ogres, half-trolls, half-elves and half-giants?
Supposedly, the giants came to exist because (according to the Bible) angels came down to Earth to mate with humans. They're called Nephilim. It's written in the books of Enoch and Ezequiel.
Zim Vader0017 that’s probably where the vampire and zombie myth came from. One particular race of biblical giants were known as “the dead ones”..
Library R.I.F. 1966
in the immortal words of Robert Oppenheimer behold the world will never be the same again
9:06 Damn, Jon be spitting fire.
"You'll forget about me boohoo" lmfao
I remember how Garfield and Friends took a turn with this story, except the giant doesn't die from the fall, and takes Jack to court for attempted murder, stealing, and the best part, "chopping down beanstalks out of season".
Lol' thats so wrong false as far from any real factual reasons
@@theonlyonebribri but still a funny/absurd twist!
😂😂😂
What if this happened for all children's tales?
Yes! I’ll finish what I was watching later, but right now there’s a new episode of Messed Up Origins!
Not just messed up origins, its VERY messed up origins
"If you get my bean you'll forget all about me. Magic bean. Giant stalk sprouts when you touch the bean."
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
FEEE FIEEEE FOOOOOOOOOOE FUUUUM
Yeah, this whole story is chock-full of sexual metaphors. I'm shocked Jon didn't point them out. The "bedfellows" thing wasn't an accident, that was them trying to be SUBTLE. When the giant's wife hides him in her oven, in her skirts, or in her kettle/cauldron, those were all sexual metaphors. When the giant smells English blood he isn't really smelling BLOOD, he's smelling sex in the room and ready murder the intruder for it.
@@Marialla. 😱
That is understandable because sometimes stories have really messed up origins
Fee-fi-fo-fum I smell the blood of an Englishman whether he be living or whether he be dead I'll grind his bones to make my bread is a metaphor
When he says “pretty young thang” it makes me want to eat chicken
I showed my niece a lot of your videos and the following is a true story:
*My Sister* "And always remember-"
*My Niece* "Jon shot first!"
*My Sister* "What?"
*Me and my Niece* "heheheheh"
Davis Owens what
Is see what you did there😆
@@kengaminbro It's a Star Wars reference. There's a debate among the fandom over whether or not Han Solo shot first. If you don't know what I'm talking about then I highly recommend you watch Star Wars: A New Hope.
Mollie Thomas . . . Oh s t a r w a r s i s l a m e
@@kengaminbro Bye Felicia
Welp. Childhood ruined. Again. Thanks for the weird af origins! 😁
This is the most crazy one yet
My first run in with the Jack and the Beanstalk story was a VHS tape with Abbott and Costello. It was a combination of various versions including these incorporated into a single story. Actually still my favorite version.
Only musical I can watch 😂
The dance and music segment after the giant's death was wild
Jon: I know Jack might not be the sharpest tool in the shed...
Me: Allstar reference? You know me so well.
5:16 - It seems to me she could have just kept her mouth shut about the bean in the first place!
9:48 - OMG, I had no idea there was so much weirdness in the original Jack and the Beanstalk!
I'm glad the last version gives Jack justification for stealing from the giant and eventually killing him. Too many versions seem to assume that just because the victim was a giant that makes it okay. (of course, being a man-eater helps.)
I peep the Mortal Kombat shirt, Mr. Solo!
“William Look-How-Unique-I-Am Shakespeare” 😂😂😂😂
Honestly this makes my childhood even better 😂 Thanks!
Do Johnny Appleseed, no one talking about him.
Give my boy Johnny some love!!
But seriously.
Jose Cuevas who
Bräńdøñ he’s a figure from American folk tales.
yeah
Yeah JOHNNY F'N APPLESEED!
THE EXTREMELY HARDCORE JOHNNY!
But Johnny Appleseed isn't a myth, fable, or fairy tale, he was a real person.
11:39 this picture will get us demonetized
then uses it as the thumbnail
It rubs me the wrong way people can shoot and skin animals for youtube and call it education and make ad rev but real education like this is stamped out.
@@otakunthevegan4206 Same is happening to people who speak about missing persons cases. For some reason you can't mention the Amber Alert without getting demonetized 🙄
@@ZimVader-0017 And google keeps the ad rev for themselves, adverts still play it just does not go to the content creator, it goes to google shareholders.
@@otakunthevegan4206 Yep.
@@ZimVader-0017 hell, someone mentioned a certain case and got his channel TERMINATED
2 of my favorite versions of this story would be Mickey and the beanstalk and the movie Jack the Giant Slayer.
03:00 Jack and the beanstalk 1974: Hold my beer!
Bread made from bone meal would constipate the hell out of you. I wonder if that's why the giant is always angry (aside from being stolen from) lol
and you would know this how again?
@@TheRealNormanBates Experience & scientific reasoning?
@@ahunkytortoise4560 Oh... so Phil's a cannibal. And a giant!
@@TheRealNormanBates A few years back a woman was arrested for feeding her husband dog food for two years. He found out she was doing it because the bone meal in the dog food caused an intestinal blockage that he needed surgury to remove
@@philanthropical5520 WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL DUDES WIFE?!
Okay, I had to stop at 6:56 to get everything in order.
So, Jack goes to the castle because in a dream he had while in a dreamlike acid trip, a fairy told him of a prophecy.
And all of this is told to us by an old, weird man.
“What is she, a Kardashian ancestor?” 🤣
I almost spilled my hot cocoa at this point. 😅😂
Every time he says "beanstalk" i remember one of the lyrics of the song acapella by Karmin😂😂😂😂
YESSSSS "if the magic ain't right, TIME TO WALK!"
Loved the video. Your Fortnight joke caught me by surprise and I laughed so hard I choked.
Request: John Henry the "steel-driving man". Jon shot first, John Henry hammer it home.
It could be his first disney origins for a while since they did a short on it
1:50 I suppose Jack was also disappointed when he asked for all different kinds of cheese...
Wait wait wait wait the Fairy had Jack kill a giant so Jack will follow in his dad footsteps of being kind and always helping and respecting others.
Sometimes a giant can figuratively represent a demon or overwhelming lifestyle sin in someone’s life or an outside bully. So if the fairy represented someone like say The Angel of the Lord, it would have been God telling Jack not to be caught up in the same lifestyle sin his dad was into...to kill it and remove any chance of going back to the giant of his familial sins...or remove the outside bully possibly by this story. If that’s it, either one of those interpretations could possibly be the moral of the story, eh? Unless one looks for a moral of a story, a lot of times it can’t be found because it’s purposefully hidden for fear of reprisal.
@@BeardedBarley1 holy moly
Jon is actually one of my favourite youtubers at the moment
Please do The Wizard of Oz
And please talk about the Return to Oz movie in the process.
The Wizard of Oz is based on the 1901 (I think) novel called "The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz" by L. Frank Baum.
Jeremy's World close. 1900
@Taylor Edwards It's pretty straight forward. Most adaptations take out the really messed up stuff in the book like the Wicked Witch of the West sent wolves, crows, bees, and eventually the Winged Monkeys to kill Dorothy and her friends and the Wicked Witch of the East wasn't her sister nor did the Wicked Witch of the West didn't try to avenge the East Witch's death. She wanted the silver shoes when she saw them on Dorothy's feet after the Winged Monkeys couldn't kill Dorothy. And the Wicked Witch of the East cursed the Tin Woodsman's axe to chop off parts of his body until he was entirely made of tin. And a part the Tin Woodsman had to kill a bobcat to save the queen of field mice and the Cowardly Lion had to kill a monster to save the animals in the forest and become their king. It also gave us a back story about the Winged Monkeys where they were just causing pranks until they did one on a prince and his fiancee decided to tie their wings together and drown them in a river until they plead for her to spare them mercy while they were drowning and she did, by enchanting them to be slaves to a golden cap and whoever wore it.
Follow the yellow brick Road !
No need to feel weird. Bed Fellow's were a thing back in the day in england especially during the middle ages amongst higher royalities. Castles are drafty and humans are warm. The lower class did it to because they usually lived in stone thatched huts that were extremely drafty. We get "huddle together" for warmth out of this. Surprised you didn't mention that :O
These deserve to be remembered, it doesn't matter if they're mad, maintain them. I'd like to see darker versions of them 1day animated
Please do little bo peep or the old lady that lives in a shoe
MISSED YOU, MAN ❤️ hope your break was awesome!
aw, I missed you guys too! Break was great, thank you so much :)
9:11
Jon that was mad dis
The fortnite/virgin analogy is pretty damn savage clever and above all fitting as hell ! 😂 especially funny when you casually add it into your serious breakdown explanation of the “Jack and the Beanstalk “ story 🤣 good one ☝️
“What is she, a Kardashian ancestor?” HAHAH HELP
8:04 worlds earliest disstrack.
You often say that this is one of the most messed of stories ever. This time you're right! Now I've gotta go find a video of "Giants in the Sky"!
New favorite channel. Been binging since yesterday. Love it, keep it going.
I love the chill way you tell the stories, it’s hilarious
One version of Jack and the beanstalk I liked was a live action movie where the giants got revenge on Jack and his descendants.
There was a cartoon called Giant and the Beanstalk where the original giant's son stole the goose back from Jack.
I think I remember that movie, they needed the golden eggs, to burn in somekind of magic fire, so the magic land remains green and living.
@@SardonicSoul
I have a book of Jack and The Beanstalk.
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 Jack the giant slayer
@@wyslanniknewworldorder9525
I heard about that movie and it be cool if Red Riding Hood got more movie adaptations and a Disney adaptation of it especially if it has a Werewolf or a Pack of Werewolves and maybe have Red as one of them
''You were a good bed fellow"
😏 "Well give me that bean then"
Your commentary and delivery is excellent. You're very witty!
Loved this episode!! Please do Messed Up Origins of Thumbelina. Keep up the great work.💜
I like the version with the backstory, it makes the giant into a more of a real villain. In the other versions, it seems more like he's a victim of a break in and burglary. Always thought Jack deserved to be punished, would've given the story a moral.
Also, how did the giant in those stories know about the smell of Englishmen? Was it commonplace for them to just show up and try to rob him? Where'd he get the recipe for bone bread? Someone needs to write about that!
Great video! Thanks!
Always enjoy your videos thanks
Me: sees the word ‘VERY’ in the title.
Me: hell yes this is a good vid
The whole town being on the bean stalk reminds me of that one episode of Rick and Morty 😅
True
MOOD
Thanks man
You're going great!
Didn't know i liked this so much.
I appreciate your research. It’s awe inspiring to learn these things about childhood memories
The earliest version is the craziest origin story ever! This version has to be made into a 🎥!
Cool thing!
To me that harp was a snitch from screaming.
That bitch deserved to have her strings cut
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
These videos are so awesome!!! You could watch for hours.
How could you not mention 2 of the best versions: Abbott and Costello's Jack and the Beanstalk, and Jack the Giant Slayer?!
Bud Abbott and Lou costello are two of the greatest comedians of all time
Costello was Jack and Abbott was the one who sold him the beans.
“Kardashian Ancestor”🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is Englishmen bread the fairy tale version of avocado toast?
Bra the rhyming skills are on point ...with out even thinking i picked it up you did it without even blinking lol
I liked the last version the best, giving Jack info on his dad and talking more about his adventures on the stalk and with the giant. That other version with the ladies and the bar was just a drug trip lol :)
there was a time when I thought protagonist of "Jack the Giant Killer" and "Jack and the Beanstalk" are the same, turns out I'm not the only one as the 2013 movie mashed them up...
Yeah, I felt the same way in my younger days until I learned that Jack the Giant-Killer was a knight in the Round Table days whose specialty was killing giants. (No wonder that there were no giants or dragons after the Round Table days.The knights killed them all.)
The last one was my favorite cuz it seemed more of an actual story then the rest with an actual beginning, middle, and end also great job on the vid love ur vids and cant wait for more lol.
Shoutout to you for these awesome videos bro. I love the research that goes into these. Keep up the good work
I was always interested in the King Arthur tales as my name is Arthur. I just wondered where the idea of pulling a sword out of a stone came from It's steel in stone. The only psychological idea might be the act of delivering a baby, taking it out of it's original state and into freedom. Wonder if that would make a good video. Keep up the good work. You're the only one who puts alot of time into his work.
I've heard a number of theories. From memory, a few of the more interesting ones:
1) a memory of ancient Sarmatian religous practices (They used a sword stuck in the ground as an altar to their war god)
2) a reference/metaphors for smelting iron from ore and forging a sword.
3) "stone" was a mistranslation of "saxon". (I.e. Arthur became king by defeating and disarming the Saxons).
I really enjoyed this episode. It was so much fun learning where the Jack and the Beanstalk story came from - thank you for covering it!
Also, can you please look at Moana?
I love watching you on my screen. Def one of my faves
Watching from Nigeria, used to read these stories in the public library as a kid, really insightful to see their origins and variations. Tons of love.
THANK YOU for granting my request!!
You should do the Velvatine Rabbit.
13.25: I *Love* the fact that in this picture, the 'beans' she's tossing out the window look like modern-day Jelly Beans!
I really enjoy your videos bro , you're a great story teller
Finally!!!!! Been waiting all morning to be entertained by Jon lmao love this vid. So far one of my favorite stories
Awesome job! Regarding the last version you told, I remember an episode of Shelly Duvall's faery tale theatre of this where there is a mysterious person Jack encounters on the beanstalk who makes subtle references to Jack's father, who was killed by a giant.
Man love your vids . Just wish that some of you UA-camrs would cut it out with the extra long introductions but hey I do appreciate how thorough you are Explaining and rebutting one-sided views very good job mate