I wish this showed Dynamic Loft as well. Thomas is someone who delivers super low dynamic loft. If this test is done again in the future, I think it’d be very helpful. Thanks!
I just got fitted into the g430 power spec to help me bring down my spin. Didn't go with with them for the extra power just trying to reduce my spin. Hopefully it helps. Now I have to get adjusted to the new distances
I got fitted with standard and my spin rate was 6,700 with a 46 degree landing angle. Everyone’s swing is different but I spin the retro way too much it was 7,600 plus. Id recommend going somewhere with a trackman and seeing your spin or getting fitted if it fits the budget.
You didn't mention the iron's bounce angle - the power spec will have less bounce than standard, the retro spec will have more bounce than standard. What effect will this have on the use of the club to the average golfer? Is the change in bounce angle something the average golfer should consider when being fitted for clubs?
Thanks for bringing this up Martin. We generally see that players that do fit into either power spec or retro spec don't have issues with the bounce because their attack angles fit the bounce angle difference. However, our fitters do take note of it in fittings and will keep an eye on the attack angle to see if an adjustment is needed
Thomas, when you increase the loft of a club, like you did with the retrospec, aren't you effectively reducing the offset? Or do I have that backwards?
Nice video, the numbers you put up in the outdoor test were quite different than your indoor test with the G425 a couple months back. I think the previous test was a 210ish carry, was that die to turf interaction or a different launch monitor?
Hi and thanks for watching! You bring up a good question. After looking at both videos, the key difference in the data leading to differences in distance is spin. Thomas was spinning the power and standard specs both over 6000 in this video, whereas in our original review and testing video for G425 irons it was in the mid 4000s. The spec video had Thomas' face angle 4ish degrees open, which could have been contributing to the spin increase and that could be due to our setup of the Trackman not quite centered. Great feedback here though, we didn't even notice!
PING specifically builds either power spec or retro clubs they will be prebuilt to their specs as it can be challenging to bend cast irons even 2 degrees - Thomas
Question? Wouldn't it be easier to hit a POWER spec club? Instead of hitting a 7-iron regular spec you would hit an 8 iron to get the same distance. With the club length being shorter contact would be more precise...right. Basically, wouldn't you just club down if you went with a power spec set???
Hey Thomas, you said a 70 mph swing speed guy should not use the power spec. I'm that guy looking to buy the i230 and I like the Elevate MPH in stiff. It feels like a regular flex a little bit. Anyway with this high kicking shaft I'm hitting the ball pretty high. Do you think I can get a little more distance with this shaft in the Power spec in the i230. I mean it's not much more. What do you think?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the pin is 165 yards, and You hit a full 8iron standard 160yards and a full retro 8 152 or something, what’s the point of these specs when the game is about yardage? You would then have to grab a 7iron in retro to hit maybe 160-165 yards passing the standard 8iron loft by a few degrees, subsequently hitting a lower shot than standard 8. Do you get what I’m saying here? None of this makes real sense to me. Pros have diff lofts throughout to match the yardage they desire. Simply adding our subtracting all the lofts for every club just doesn’t add up.
Yes, if the gapping is too small or too large between clubs, one should adjust lofts accordingly. This means one could have a mix of standard, power and retro lofts in your iron set for optimal gapping. Not sure if fitters will willingly go to this level of fitting because it means testing more than just 7 iron!
In this video, lie angle was slightly altered for the Retro spec head because we did not have that fitting component available. However, if you were to order Power Spec or Retro Spec, PING builds those to still fit their lie angle color codes. For example, Power and retro spec are still available in all of the color dots. Hope this helps
When I upgrade (eventually), I plan to go retro spec. I have no problem hitting long(ish) but I do end up with 15 yard gaps (and would like a bit more spin/shaping). I currently game 30.5* 7i, plan to move to a 27-28*. 8 hdcp, looking for a players iron, not ready for blades. Any suggestions?
Nice, thanks for the question Jason. If you have no problem hitting it longer, we would suggest actually increasing your iron lofts. So if your 7-iron is 30.5*, going up from there to 31-32 degrees. That's where a lot of players-distance and players cavity irons fall. A few in that range that have performed well in fittings this year: Mizuno MP-20 MMC, TaylorMade P770, Titleist T100 or T200, PING i210, Callaway Apex 21 or Apex Pro 21, and Srixon ZX5/ZX7.
I’m looking at i525 and Mizuno Pro 225, but now am thinking perhaps the i210 with Power Spec would be the best of both worlds of feel with some extra distance. As a 10-12 handicap, I’m slightly concerned about forgiveness, you think the i210s with Power Spec would be a good choice? 7 iron swing speed is 85-86 mph, and I usually hit the ball high.
@@lawbinson i525s, no regrets. I got a +1/2” for the first time, so took some getting used to last season, but I like them a lot. Decided on the Ping because they were slightly more forgiving than the Mizunos. Plus they’d discontinued making the i210s. Seeing the new i230s now, I’m still happy I have the i525s 👌🏻
Thanks Thomas and Drew. I have some questions for you and any of the viewers. Are these irons cast to the three different loft specs at the factory or do the Retro and Power spec irons start out as Standard and get bent manually and if so how would this affect bounce and offset?
Hi, thanks for watching and for the question! In this video, lie angle was slightly altered for the Retro spec head because we did not have that fitting component available. However, if you were to order Power Spec or Retro Spec, PING builds those to still fit their lie angle color codes. For example, Power and retro spec are still available in all of the color dots. Hope this helps
@@2ndswing Thanks for the reply. So, if I understand correctly for Ping irons whether they are retro, standard or power lofts the bounce, offset and lie angles are the same.
I wish this showed Dynamic Loft as well. Thomas is someone who delivers super low dynamic loft. If this test is done again in the future, I think it’d be very helpful. Thanks!
The best golf videos -you guys are terrific
Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
I just got fitted into the g430 power spec to help me bring down my spin. Didn't go with with them for the extra power just trying to reduce my spin. Hopefully it helps. Now I have to get adjusted to the new distances
Do these tests with the long irons
I got fitted with standard and my spin rate was 6,700 with a 46 degree landing angle. Everyone’s swing is different but I spin the retro way too much it was 7,600 plus. Id recommend going somewhere with a trackman and seeing your spin or getting fitted if it fits the budget.
You didn't mention the iron's bounce angle - the power spec will have less bounce than standard, the retro spec will have more bounce than standard.
What effect will this have on the use of the club to the average golfer?
Is the change in bounce angle something the average golfer should consider when being fitted for clubs?
Thanks for bringing this up Martin. We generally see that players that do fit into either power spec or retro spec don't have issues with the bounce because their attack angles fit the bounce angle difference. However, our fitters do take note of it in fittings and will keep an eye on the attack angle to see if an adjustment is needed
Thomas, when you increase the loft of a club, like you did with the retrospec, aren't you effectively reducing the offset? Or do I have that backwards?
Nice video, the numbers you put up in the outdoor test were quite different than your indoor test with the G425 a couple months back. I think the previous test was a 210ish carry, was that die to turf interaction or a different launch monitor?
Hi and thanks for watching! You bring up a good question. After looking at both videos, the key difference in the data leading to differences in distance is spin. Thomas was spinning the power and standard specs both over 6000 in this video, whereas in our original review and testing video for G425 irons it was in the mid 4000s. The spec video had Thomas' face angle 4ish degrees open, which could have been contributing to the spin increase and that could be due to our setup of the Trackman not quite centered. Great feedback here though, we didn't even notice!
what's the deal with those smash factor #s for a 7 iron?
Love the test . I’m looking at i525 . Can you tell me are they different heads or are they just std spec heads bent weak or strong
PING specifically builds either power spec or retro clubs they will be prebuilt to their specs as it can be challenging to bend cast irons even 2 degrees - Thomas
Question? Wouldn't it be easier to hit a POWER spec club? Instead of hitting a 7-iron regular spec you would hit an 8 iron to get the same distance. With the club length being shorter contact would be more precise...right. Basically, wouldn't you just club down if you went with a power spec set???
Hey Thomas, you said a 70 mph swing speed guy should not use the power spec. I'm that guy looking to buy the i230 and I like the Elevate MPH in stiff. It feels like a regular flex a little bit. Anyway with this high kicking shaft I'm hitting the ball pretty high. Do you think I can get a little more distance with this shaft in the Power spec in the i230. I mean it's not much more. What do you think?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the pin is 165 yards, and You hit a full 8iron standard 160yards and a full retro 8 152 or something, what’s the point of these specs when the game is about yardage? You would then have to grab a 7iron in retro to hit maybe 160-165 yards passing the standard 8iron loft by a few degrees, subsequently hitting a lower shot than standard 8. Do you get what I’m saying here? None of this makes real sense to me. Pros have diff lofts throughout to match the yardage they desire. Simply adding our subtracting all the lofts for every club just doesn’t add up.
Yes, if the gapping is too small or too large between clubs, one should adjust lofts accordingly. This means one could have a mix of standard, power and retro lofts in your iron set for optimal gapping. Not sure if fitters will willingly go to this level of fitting because it means testing more than just 7 iron!
Curious how the lie angle and bounce changes (if any) from power spec to retro.
In this video, lie angle was slightly altered for the Retro spec head because we did not have that fitting component available. However, if you were to order Power Spec or Retro Spec, PING builds those to still fit their lie angle color codes. For example, Power and retro spec are still available in all of the color dots. Hope this helps
When I upgrade (eventually), I plan to go retro spec. I have no problem hitting long(ish) but I do end up with 15 yard gaps (and would like a bit more spin/shaping). I currently game 30.5* 7i, plan to move to a 27-28*. 8 hdcp, looking for a players iron, not ready for blades. Any suggestions?
retro spec would be 33 +/- 1 not 27-28. Mizuno jpx forged
Nice, thanks for the question Jason. If you have no problem hitting it longer, we would suggest actually increasing your iron lofts. So if your 7-iron is 30.5*, going up from there to 31-32 degrees. That's where a lot of players-distance and players cavity irons fall. A few in that range that have performed well in fittings this year: Mizuno MP-20 MMC, TaylorMade P770, Titleist T100 or T200, PING i210, Callaway Apex 21 or Apex Pro 21, and Srixon ZX5/ZX7.
I’m looking at i525 and Mizuno Pro 225, but now am thinking perhaps the i210 with Power Spec would be the best of both worlds of feel with some extra distance. As a 10-12 handicap, I’m slightly concerned about forgiveness, you think the i210s with Power Spec would be a good choice? 7 iron swing speed is 85-86 mph, and I usually hit the ball high.
Curious, what did you end up with and how did you get along with them? cheers
@@lawbinson i525s, no regrets. I got a +1/2” for the first time, so took some getting used to last season, but I like them a lot. Decided on the Ping because they were slightly more forgiving than the Mizunos. Plus they’d discontinued making the i210s. Seeing the new i230s now, I’m still happy I have the i525s 👌🏻
Thanks Thomas and Drew. I have some questions for you and any of the viewers. Are these irons cast to the three different loft specs at the factory or do the Retro and Power spec irons start out as Standard and get bent manually and if so how would this affect bounce and offset?
Great questions. Hopefully we'll get answers.
Hi, thanks for watching and for the question! In this video, lie angle was slightly altered for the Retro spec head because we did not have that fitting component available. However, if you were to order Power Spec or Retro Spec, PING builds those to still fit their lie angle color codes. For example, Power and retro spec are still available in all of the color dots. Hope this helps
@@2ndswing Thanks for the reply. So, if I understand correctly for Ping irons whether they are retro, standard or power lofts the bounce, offset and lie angles are the same.
@@2ndswing Thank you!