Incredible work man! The dual ATC and how quick it is to change tools is incredibly thought out! I could see myself buying one of these if I didn't get the X7. Keep up the great work!
What's the point of super expensive heavy duty holders on a toy scale frame? 10 tool and appropriate holders would reduce cost a lot and make more sense at this size.
@@Proton_DecayOf course you can tell from the demo. Show me another comparable sized mill, that has these cutting speeds. Similar mills cannot achieve thais and will will vibrate like crazy at much lower chip volume. Also the channel has other demos, you know.
Wow, what a wonderful idea! A desktop cnc with a toolchanger setup, love it! This is part of what desktop cnc has been missing, having to change tools between toolpaths manually means theres no such thing as set and forget for desktop cnc like there is for 3d printing, but this brings it in right where its needed. I do hope that the machine is sturdy enough to do metals, even if its just aluminum, but if it can be done on steel thatd be great, as long as the cost isnt too bad. Congrats on what looks like a great little design. :). O habe some concerns about rigidity but you engraved that metal well enough without any notable resonance.
looks and sounds like it's machining steel in this very video. Which i am surprised looks as good as it does for as small of a machine as this is- don't even hear any bad harmonics or head flex.
That... is a proper sounding machine tool! I own and use some decent sized BT35 and CAT40 vertical mills, they are great, but you must dedicate a large amount of floor space and need 3 phase power. Something few individuals have access to. This appears to have proper rigidity to do machining at a level of precision that most smaller machines only dream off. Good luck with you endeavors.
@@thomcarr7021 I'll take it that you are making a joke. I, in no way, was implying this would replace an industrial grade machine. I doubt that this would be able to take as heavy a cut as 2 - 3 HP knee mill (like a Bridgeport). That said, it looks/sounds like it could be useful for smaller, high precision machining. Most knee mills require 3 phase power, something that is typically not available in residential homes/garages. In the tongue and cheek spirit, I was once in a hardware store, in their power tools section, another father was there with his son, maybe 8 years old. The young boy saw the Dremel tools and exclaimed to his father: "Dad, Dad!, look they've got Dremel tools, you can make anything with a Dremel" , I smiled and thought to myself, hmm, why did I spent all those hundreds of thousands of dollars on my machine tools, I coulda just bought a bunch of Dremel tools, silly me.
@@John-ro2ykare you from Pakistan or Afghanistan even in indian villages you can get 3 pH supply just the reliability is iffy Loved the Dremel bit . And you're right about everything else.
It really does look like a good piece of equipment. No need for both carousels to spin quite so much after a toolchange. Advance to the next pot by as small a rotation as possible, allowing CW & CCW rotation. Makes sense to in terms of tool order have all your odd numbers in one mag and all your evens in another, or you'll always need an empty slot in both changers. If it's optimised you'll only need one empty spot which could be the spindle.
@@samuraimachinetools Appeal to the engineers that will use it. Efficiency and smooth motion are key. Your HSM videos are too violent, bolt the machine down to a better bench.
@@chronokokssometimes the best growth comes from feedback which may not sound so great. But as a person giving feedback they need to be aware of how brutal it sounds too and be empathetic
@@htko89 There's no denying this machine is a game changer for desktop VMCs. I'm giving honest feedback as someone in industry that wants these guys to succeed
This looks great and a very welcome entry to the market. At that price point I think there is definitely market for it. Only thing I can't get my head round is why there isn't any coolant. As a hobby cnc user, this is not a nice to have but essential.
What was the depth of cut?feeds and speeds? Tooling?? Would be nice to have that so i know what we are looking at.... love the tool changer,air blow thru..didnt see coolant lines or blow valve,missed opportunity for a vaccum to suck chips. But i guess would defeat the whole purpose of this thing being compact... i like deff ups and deff some downs but overall a nice piece of machinery..
For the price of this machine, you can get a used industrial cnc like a haas or fadal. 20k is wildly overpriced. I’ve seen guys make machines like this for a five grand
@@blacklabel6223 1: Fadal wont fit on the work bench in my basement. You'll also then need to spend 2 years and 5-10k making it functional. (based on the typical hobby project retrofit). 2: No you haven't. Especially not this year, with the price of materials and the lack of super cheap surplus. A tormach 440 kitted out costs almost 20k these days, and this little machine will run circles around it. A haas TM0 is almost 40k now which is the cheapest new "industrial" machine and one of the few that run single phase power. If you went to build this machine yourself it would cost you the better part of 10k usd. If you got really lucky with surplus, maybe you'll save $1000. This is not counting any labour, overhead and any form of profit to sell it. $20k for a little machine like this is the new reality sadly, but on the bright side, it looks like it will actually accomplish work unlike cheap machines of the past.
It's such a neat product. I'm curious why there wasn't a different design choice for tool changer. It feels like theres a loss in stability for being top heavy. Was there a compromise that need to be made? Wondering if the base had more mass it would reduce vibrations and provide faster and better speeds and cut rates.
That's pretty damn cool, bit it looks like it's gonna be pretty unstable when all of the table space is gonna get used... have you tried larger workpieces yet?
It is a very brave move to include an ATC system to a desktop milling machine. You have my respect. I run a CNC business in China. The machines we run include the Brother Speedio series and Tusgami VA series. Only from my own point of views and by no means scientific, the setup may not provide enough support for the BT30 tool holder anywhere near its cutting poential. You ended up spinning a chunk of metal that is not doing the cutting job. If you look at some industrial machines using BT30 spindles e.g. the Brother Speedio the spindle itself is taller than the column of this machine. For machines with weight limitations, I would choose the high rpm and low cutting torque road to maximize cutting efficiency. Thus a high rpm motorized spindle could be a viable choice. If an ATC is to be included, probably down 2 sizes for a more realistic setup. We are looking at the BT15 chuck or a more common BT20 chuck. For high rpm cutting it is very important to keep the cutter from overheating. I don't know whether its viable to have a coolant system in a home miller but air cooling could be an easier road. Here is my thought. Thanks
That looks like a fun milling machine. Dual ATC carousels makes this even more interesting. Any recommendations on a more stable table, like a welded steel frame I could fill with sand?
The problem with the bench used in the video is it has a full width drawer right below the work surface meaning it’s not supported on the front edge. As long as you find something that is supported on all edges it shouldn’t wobble. A welded steel frame would definitely work 👍
hy homemade cnc could have 150 toolholders..thats not what matters.. for 11k without electronics you can get a way better production machine..and why do you need 28 tools? i mean i you go throu every tool on every piece you make its nonsense to use this machine.. there are way faster toolchangers
That is impressively compact for the size of the work area on that thing
When it loaded the bit, I burst out with joy. That was awesome.
lol
I can relate. It's a thing of beauty
Me too!
pssshhhWAAAAAAAAAAEHssssssshoooohww
reminds me of ED209
Watching it change bits is the most satisfying thing I've ever seen a machine do!
Incredible work man! The dual ATC and how quick it is to change tools is incredibly thought out! I could see myself buying one of these if I didn't get the X7. Keep up the great work!
How about what a way to make machining available to everyone
Maybe this is a hunter Biden only deal….
It is cool. I suppose loading is slower if two tools are needed consecutively from one carousel
That’s pretty awesome. Would love having that in the shop ⭐️👍
God I wish I was rich enough for one of these. Proper marvel of engineering you guys are!
I was surprised when I found out they are starting at £4990. When I saw this video I thought they where going to be a lot more.
@@sir.richardarmstrong3rd759 that price is with out axis covers and without ATC - only bare machine
It's actually pretty affordable considering it's features and capability. Have you seen how much a mini mill costs from Haas?
@@ashrafsalah4007 and without motors or electronics right?
@@sir.richardarmstrong3rd759 there $25,000 dollars dude.
I love the two hands tool changing.
From the presentation, missed were close up shots of the work area. Magnificent and useful robot. Thanks!
What's the point of super expensive heavy duty holders on a toy scale frame? 10 tool and appropriate holders would reduce cost a lot and make more sense at this size.
That toy seems more rigid and capable then most other machines of that size. Cuts through steel better then other machines do plywood.
Those are cheap.
The point is that it’s badass
@@weltraumprasidentsuperstar5871can't tell that from the demo, shave the surface and engrave a cnc router can do. I want some side milling.
@@Proton_DecayOf course you can tell from the demo. Show me another comparable sized mill, that has these cutting speeds. Similar mills cannot achieve thais and will will vibrate like crazy at much lower chip volume.
Also the channel has other demos, you know.
Wow! I've been using CNCs for nearly 30 years and that's the first time I've seen a tool changer like that! Well done!
Ha, fancy seeing you here.
Wow, what a wonderful idea! A desktop cnc with a toolchanger setup, love it! This is part of what desktop cnc has been missing, having to change tools between toolpaths manually means theres no such thing as set and forget for desktop cnc like there is for 3d printing, but this brings it in right where its needed. I do hope that the machine is sturdy enough to do metals, even if its just aluminum, but if it can be done on steel thatd be great, as long as the cost isnt too bad.
Congrats on what looks like a great little design. :). O habe some concerns about rigidity but you engraved that metal well enough without any notable resonance.
looks and sounds like it's machining steel in this very video. Which i am surprised looks as good as it does for as small of a machine as this is- don't even hear any bad harmonics or head flex.
Wow this is amazing! That tool changer is a sight to be seen!
somehow I get reminded of From Dusk Till Dawn, cant really put my finger on it, though
The design is impeccable, a job of high value
Awesome! I love CNC machine! It's beautiful moviments!
Seams like this should be in every hobby cnc, mill drill machine ever produced
Wow! Might have to save up for this. Looks awesome!
That... is a proper sounding machine tool! I own and use some decent sized BT35 and CAT40 vertical mills, they are great, but you must dedicate a large amount of floor space and need 3 phase power. Something few individuals have access to. This appears to have proper rigidity to do machining at a level of precision that most smaller machines only dream off. Good luck with you endeavors.
@@thomcarr7021 I'll take it that you are making a joke. I, in no way, was implying this would replace an industrial grade machine. I doubt that this would be able to take as heavy a cut as 2 - 3 HP knee mill (like a Bridgeport). That said, it looks/sounds like it could be useful for smaller, high precision machining. Most knee mills require 3 phase power, something that is typically not available in residential homes/garages.
In the tongue and cheek spirit, I was once in a hardware store, in their power tools section, another father was there with his son, maybe 8 years old. The young boy saw the Dremel tools and exclaimed to his father: "Dad, Dad!, look they've got Dremel tools, you can make anything with a Dremel" , I smiled and thought to myself, hmm, why did I spent all those hundreds of thousands of dollars on my machine tools, I coulda just bought a bunch of Dremel tools, silly me.
@@John-ro2ykare you from Pakistan or Afghanistan even in indian villages you can get 3 pH supply just the reliability is iffy
Loved the Dremel bit . And you're right about everything else.
Impressive setup!
For around the 5k range this definitely looks promising.
Yeah, for sure... I'm going to have to keep my eye on this one.
For what?
I think its $10-12k
@theJonnymac i checked, it depends on the features you get. The ATC alone is like an extra 4k.
haha more like $12-14K
Best wishes for the Table top design.... also the umbrella type magazine with fast tool changing design...Great work.👍👍👍
Amazing! When can I get one?
Thanks! Please email us at contact@samuraimachinetools.com
We would like to work with you!
Thanks Mark! Thats help a bunch!
Fantastic design! Looking forward to seeing more.
That tool changer is awesome! :D
Looks like a vacuum-operated gripper, I assume there is a compressor we're not seeing to which the blue pipes connect to?
That's just great. I love the design. What kind of spindle motor is installed?
thanks, its a 1.2kw servo
It really does look like a good piece of equipment. No need for both carousels to spin quite so much after a toolchange. Advance to the next pot by as small a rotation as possible, allowing CW & CCW rotation. Makes sense to in terms of tool order have all your odd numbers in one mag and all your evens in another, or you'll always need an empty slot in both changers. If it's optimised you'll only need one empty spot which could be the spindle.
The spinning was just the machine showing off!
@@samuraimachinetools Appeal to the engineers that will use it. Efficiency and smooth motion are key. Your HSM videos are too violent, bolt the machine down to a better bench.
@@RMConstruction217 oh stop it you...
@@chronokokssometimes the best growth comes from feedback which may not sound so great. But as a person giving feedback they need to be aware of how brutal it sounds too and be empathetic
@@htko89 There's no denying this machine is a game changer for desktop VMCs. I'm giving honest feedback as someone in industry that wants these guys to succeed
Very cool! What happens if the new tool is in the same carousel? I’d like to see it with two vises running a first and second op part
I imagine it unloads tool 1, rotates carousel and loads tool 2
I love how the plastic ATC arm goes *wiggle jiggle*
One of the most satisfying videos I've seen :)
this is the coolest desktop cnc mill on the planet..
Looks beautiful!
Nice. But a weak spot is maybe the wire on the X axis? Pull relief or maybe a tywrap??
This looks great and a very welcome entry to the market. At that price point I think there is definitely market for it. Only thing I can't get my head round is why there isn't any coolant. As a hobby cnc user, this is not a nice to have but essential.
There is set up for coolent, several nozzles. Not used during this demo, as it is messy when not placed in a cabinet
problem with that tool change scheme is all the tools get covered with coolant and potentially bits too. @@Rimrock300
You also need an enclosure when using coolant
What was the depth of cut?feeds and speeds? Tooling?? Would be nice to have that so i know what we are looking at.... love the tool changer,air blow thru..didnt see coolant lines or blow valve,missed opportunity for a vaccum to suck chips. But i guess would defeat the whole purpose of this thing being compact... i like deff ups and deff some downs but overall a nice piece of machinery..
Was that pot metal or steel?
with idle chatter, how can you confirm that the table base is moving correctly? really cool though 😊
I guess it doesn't know the length of the bits as at 1:30 it wasn't doing shit lol
Is there a bigger bed that can be used ??????
Coolest thing I have ever seen, I want one really bad! Where can you get this?
Hello, it will be available on our website in 2-3 days
WOW! That is impressive! Here take my money!
would benefit from a water cooled option?
Im getting a sore throat because I cant close my mouth in awe! Damn!
Well I want one !! Looks like a brilliant little machine. High quality and accuracy but not huge and mega expensive.
with the dust and shavings, wouldnt the other tools get dirty like that since it is open
Great design! BTW, I think, I know, why there is two tool changers. It because with only one the whole construction will fall on the side :))
It's really cool to see a machine with this capability at this price, I didn't realise CNC was getting this close to 3D printing in terms of cost!
This machines is over $20000 usd as you see it in the video. Very expensive, but also does look very useful unlike most cheaper machines.
For the price of this machine, you can get a used industrial cnc like a haas or fadal. 20k is wildly overpriced. I’ve seen guys make machines like this for a five grand
@@blacklabel6223 1: Fadal wont fit on the work bench in my basement. You'll also then need to spend 2 years and 5-10k making it functional. (based on the typical hobby project retrofit).
2: No you haven't. Especially not this year, with the price of materials and the lack of super cheap surplus. A tormach 440 kitted out costs almost 20k these days, and this little machine will run circles around it. A haas TM0 is almost 40k now which is the cheapest new "industrial" machine and one of the few that run single phase power.
If you went to build this machine yourself it would cost you the better part of 10k usd. If you got really lucky with surplus, maybe you'll save $1000. This is not counting any labour, overhead and any form of profit to sell it.
$20k for a little machine like this is the new reality sadly, but on the bright side, it looks like it will actually accomplish work unlike cheap machines of the past.
Oh my bad I thought this one was £4990 like says starting price in the description. But I guess this has upgrades?
@@littleshopofrandom685this would not run circles around a tormach lmao, it uses mgn12 rails, not even hgr
Very Impressed. I run fmd and resin machines and also work with a small cnc shop. But this machine takes the cake for me :) great work guys.
website says all sold out. future availability?
Will this have to be mounted to a table? The base looks very narrow.
This is absolutely ingenious. I'll need one eventually.
Amazing work!
This machine looks great❤
It's such a neat product. I'm curious why there wasn't a different design choice for tool changer. It feels like theres a loss in stability for being top heavy. Was there a compromise that need to be made? Wondering if the base had more mass it would reduce vibrations and provide faster and better speeds and cut rates.
That is awesome, super fast double banger tool changer. You gave me an idea mwua hah ah
Any plans on a woodworking model with less heads in storage that’s a bit more affordable? This is remarkable, I’d buy one of them next day!
Large&Loud compressor not included I presume?
Wow! This is fenomenal!
Can it play different music or just that one tune?
I hope they are successful and go on to dev a 5 axis.
That's pretty damn cool, bit it looks like it's gonna be pretty unstable when all of the table space is gonna get used... have you tried larger workpieces yet?
It is a very brave move to include an ATC system to a desktop milling machine. You have my respect. I run a CNC business in China. The machines we run include the Brother Speedio series and Tusgami VA series. Only from my own point of views and by no means scientific, the setup may not provide enough support for the BT30 tool holder anywhere near its cutting poential. You ended up spinning a chunk of metal that is not doing the cutting job. If you look at some industrial machines using BT30 spindles e.g. the Brother Speedio the spindle itself is taller than the column of this machine. For machines with weight limitations, I would choose the high rpm and low cutting torque road to maximize cutting efficiency. Thus a high rpm motorized spindle could be a viable choice. If an ATC is to be included, probably down 2 sizes for a more realistic setup. We are looking at the BT15 chuck or a more common BT20 chuck. For high rpm cutting it is very important to keep the cutter from overheating. I don't know whether its viable to have a coolant system in a home miller but air cooling could be an easier road. Here is my thought. Thanks
Option for HSK or capto instead?
Wow, that is profoundly cool!
What material was it milling?
That looks like a fun milling machine. Dual ATC carousels makes this even more interesting. Any recommendations on a more stable table, like a welded steel frame I could fill with sand?
The problem with the bench used in the video is it has a full width drawer right below the work surface meaning it’s not supported on the front edge. As long as you find something that is supported on all edges it shouldn’t wobble. A welded steel frame would definitely work 👍
Is there any way to put the tool changer further back so it doesnt limit the Z height of part
can anyone give more details on that spindle??? and tool holder??? please???
Can you use it on the office desktop?
Revolutionary honestly
can a brother get a wider bass and is there cast parts or machined then screwed together parts ?
Is this system able to be retrofitted to Axiom/Laguna style machines?
At long last, a proper desktop cnc!
can it use that 40/50mm endmill? on steel?
Subscriber 1k here this is just a beautiful piece of precision machinery. Definetely gonna set it in the garage next to the 3d printer.
Frank, Adrian, Dave and Larry would be proud.
Beautiful and functional...
Great Job! Really REally freaking cool!
what a neat lil machine!
Is there way to buy it?
comment connait il la distance entre la fraise et la matiére?
vacuum tech is so great
What’s the tolerance capabilities? 0.0005 xyz ? What program? G-ZERO?
that is impressive, does it have a 4th axis option?
So are these more like fancy engraving tools or can they CNC 3D parts?
Two carousels seems bit weird for such a small machine but I guess it balances it.
Why does it makes so much noise to attach and dettach? Is it pneumatic?
GREAT piece of machinery. I wish I could have one on my desk but I am guessing the NOT mentioned pricetag will be in the tens of thousand???
Now this is cool.
All other startups that are developing a desktop CNC vertical mill take notes.
$11k and it doesn't include electronics? LOL
Feel free to go for the 2'nd cheapest CNC mill that is in the neoghbourhood of having 28 tools, at 40-50K, including electronics LOL?
hy homemade cnc could have 150 toolholders..thats not what matters.. for 11k without electronics you can get a way better production machine..and why do you need 28 tools? i mean i you go throu every tool on every piece you make its nonsense to use this machine.. there are way faster toolchangers
Pretty cool though I would like to see it running at the speeds you actually recommend.
just GORGEOUS! do you sell this machine and how much is it? (i live in spain) tyvm, great video!
no coolant?
What's the xyz volume?
Nice one... What controller is operating this ?
Incredible!! I want to buy this!!
Hi it's amazing. Is this a self build?
Can I buy one?
**W-A-N-T-Y** !!!!!!! WANTY WANTY WANTY WANTY WANTY WANTY WANTY!!!!!
Good afternoon How much does this equipment cost?
What about coolant?