Aggression & the Paranoid-Schizoid and Depressive Positions | FRANK YEOMANS

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  • Dr. Frank Yeomans explains how accepting -- or not accepting -- our own aggressive feelings impacts our psychological stance on an individual and societal level.
    If we don't accept -- or integrate -- our aggression we can end up in the paranoid-schizoid position, a split world view where everything "bad" comes from outside ourselves. In contrast there is the depressive position, in which things are more complicated and we acknowledge that we have some "bad" within ourselves as well.
    This basic psychological stance exists in the individual and also on the group level, where it impacts what leaders we choose and how we run our society. Yeomans offers some clinical and historical examples of individuals and groups who operate in the paranoid-schizoid and depressive positions. The current polarization in our world shows the current prevalence of the paranoid-schizoid position, but Yeomans hopes that through education of our young people we can evolve in our understanding and definition of what it means to be "good."
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    Frank Yeomans is an expert clinician who makes use of Transference-Focused Psychotherapy in his practice treating NPD and BPD. In fact, he co-wrote the manual on TFP for Borderline Personality Disorder!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 296

  • @trevsedgwick3324
    @trevsedgwick3324 3 роки тому +41

    Aggression feels good what a load of crap aggression is a negative emotion full stop

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +14

      Hi there, thanks for the comment. Did you finish watching the vid?

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +41

      First, thank you for the comment. Always appreciated even if I may take issue with it. Truly, welcome the varying perspectives. Anyhoo... my response - Rebbie here - another of the channel creator people (I'm in the intro). I have to heartily disagree with you about how aggression feels. It is not pretty to admit this, but feeling anger and sometimes acting on via aggression FEELS cohering. The impact isn't typically favorable on the recipients or ultimately myself. But man, is it seductive to feel justified and righteous in my position/pov, so much so that I am going to tirade about it.

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +21

      Hi Rebbie! :) I pinned this because I thought it was a perfect illustration of what is being discussed in the video. -p

    • @boblazar9720
      @boblazar9720 3 роки тому +9

      Calm down princess....

    • @rjrnj1
      @rjrnj1 3 роки тому +2

      @@boblazar9720 Still tilting windmills, Prince Charming?

  • @brenthinds8202
    @brenthinds8202 3 роки тому +258

    Im just a minute in and i gotta say your editor is agressive

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +27

      haha! thanks

    • @norelease2
      @norelease2 3 роки тому +9

      @@BorderlinerNotes it's trippy but i think it works!

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +6

      So do we. But we thought it might get some pushback....

    • @isendathinks7588
      @isendathinks7588 3 роки тому +26

      I love your videos Rebbie (as a regular human and as a clinical psychologist who works with clients with BPD). The editing in the first half of the video is a bit too much and I found myself having to look away and just listen because it was too distracting. Love the editing in all your other videos though. Thanks again for all your awesome work in this space!

    • @napsguns
      @napsguns 3 роки тому +26

      Yeah, quite distracting, the other videos look better and are more pleasant to watch. But the conversation itself, it's one of the best on this channel (and it has many great videos).

  • @arratho
    @arratho 2 роки тому +22

    cant even concentrate on what the dr is saying because the editor decided to be creative

  • @lydiaderobertis20
    @lydiaderobertis20 2 роки тому +64

    I worked with Dr. Yeomans at NY Hospital years ago. I am thrilled to have found him here on UA-cam. He is such a kind, generous and knowledgeable person. He ran the Psychoanalytic Borderline Unit there. I’m so grateful for the time I spent with his expertise. These videos are Gold!

  • @Knightgil
    @Knightgil 3 роки тому +23

    This editing is definitely too much. Toning it down would be better. I like to focus on what the person is saying, and it's hard to do that with such a hyperactive editing.
    More Dr. Frank Yeomans, however, is always welcome. This is a wise man.

  • @kamayanisharma
    @kamayanisharma 3 роки тому +22

    I liked the previous black and white video editing, this videos editing makes it hard to focus on the video.

  • @onefugue
    @onefugue 10 місяців тому +13

    A healthy observing ego is not only the antidote to impulsivity, but also neutralizes the other extreme of overanalysis (or paralysis of analysis), which can happen when one over values the process of thinking before one acts.

  • @Chloeayoy
    @Chloeayoy 3 роки тому +67

    I'll buy any book Dr. Yeoman publishes. Such a brilliant, kind, generous Genius.

    • @rv706
      @rv706 2 роки тому +6

      Aren't you idealizing him a little bit?...

    • @DerAua
      @DerAua 2 роки тому +2

      @@rv706 lol!

  • @anthonyramaseur6698
    @anthonyramaseur6698 3 роки тому +35

    Please post more yeomans love him

  • @jiminy_cricket777
    @jiminy_cricket777 3 роки тому +12

    Serial killers, I think, do hate themselves, it's just not conscious most of the time. What comes to mind right away on this is the observation that I forget which police detective made about these types of people, which is that they often want to confess, as long as they feel like they're doing that with someone who understands their point of view. There's something inside themselves that feels self-hate, guilt, and all the rest, but it's so deeply buried in the unconscious that it's practically inaccessible. It shows itself, though, in the seemingly odd tendency toward self-destructiveness that many of these people have. Again, if you listen to Don Carveth's talks, especially about narcissism, where he talks about how narcissistic people live in constant flight from a savage, primitive, persecutory superego, this becomes clearer. The serial killer projects that murderousness outward, and part of them will also feel guilt about that, often to quite an extreme degree that they're not aware of. (I am inferring somwhat from Carveth's words but I don't think it's that much of a stretch.) Carveth also usefully distinguishes conscience from superego as a separate mental structure, which helps clarify these issues. Yeomans and Kernberg and most others seem to follow James Strachey's idea of superego modification rather than arguing for the need for demolition of the superego as Freud, Ferenczi, and others argued for. Strachey's position on this ended up winning out, but it's probably worth reconsidering that victory.

  • @Paeoniarosa
    @Paeoniarosa 4 місяці тому +2

    I really appreciate what he said about activists and the dangers of polarized positions. Younger people are often lacking in critical thinking skills including the ability to do basic research. They are primed to be very emotionally reactive and thus easily manipulated.

  • @rjrnj1
    @rjrnj1 3 роки тому +15

    To help my tendencies with aggression, I'm practicing mindfulness. I also apologize A LOT!!!!!! It's a full time job, being aware of the value of others.

    • @DavidAKZ
      @DavidAKZ 2 роки тому

      stop apologising !

  • @singingturmeric4988
    @singingturmeric4988 3 роки тому +5

    The video editing? Phew! Had to look away to keep listening and not get distracted.

  • @carmenwalker8889
    @carmenwalker8889 3 роки тому +8

    DBT classes have been a real life saver for me.

    • @terywetherlow7970
      @terywetherlow7970 2 роки тому +2

      Carmen: my daughter was supposed to take dbt after she was diagnosed w.bpd.
      She couldn't manage to fit it into her schedule.I wistfully wonder if her life would have improved muchly had she found a way to try that therapy. Shortly thereafter she announced that she no longer had bpd. Ahem.( Yes she does.....) Now she's re-derailed her life.

    • @carmenwalker8889
      @carmenwalker8889 2 роки тому +2

      @@terywetherlow7970
      I'm truly sorry to hear that. I am by no means "cured" from BPD - I have learned self awareness, I have a better understanding of how, and why my action's have led to my own destructive behavior. I meditate daily, and am still in therapy. I'm coming close to the end of my therapy and I am so grateful to my therapist who has helped me get to a better place. I am in control of my emotions, and no longer feel an intense need to prove myself to other's. Like everything else in life, you take things one day at a time.

  • @jamesbow5916
    @jamesbow5916 3 роки тому +29

    This is a fantastic conversation. Dr. Yeomans just described one of my friends perfectly. He seems anger/vindictiveness/vengeance in others (even when it isn't there), but he never sees it in himself. Everything that is uncomfortable is externally driven. Everything he hates is manifest in himself and his actions; but he is completely unable to see it or acknowledge it. Even when it is acknowledged, he always feels completely justified. Every once in a while, he is able to get himself into that "depressive" state; but he can never stay there for long. Many of his social media posts are about "true friends" or about removing "unsupportive" friends from his life.
    Sadly, I've tried to point out his inconsistencies; but those conversation have gone no where... except seeing me as the unsupportive friend.

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +9

      Thanks for the comment and happy to hear this is relevant to your life. This way of seeing the world (and the self) is unfortunately super common (and super destructive). That's why we want to get this info out there so bad.. so people can begin to recognize it for what it is.

    • @JohnMoseley
      @JohnMoseley 3 роки тому +3

      @@BorderlinerNotes It describes someone I know terribly well too and I agree that the info is super important and not nearly enough talked about. A while ago, I went to Foyles, London's best and biggest bookshop, and trawled the psychology and psychotherapy sections for books on anger and/or aggression. Not one title referred to either of these things (though I did eventually find some useful material in 'Gestalt Therapy' by Perls, Hefferline and Goodman, and in Hilary Jacobs Hendell's 'It's Not Always Depression.')

    • @entrotlek
      @entrotlek 3 роки тому +9

      This. I am just now understanding this concept. I thought that I was surrounded by cruel stupid disloyal people. Many of the people I in my life live in my mind as every negative thing they've done or said around me so I spent alot of my interactions with them trying to fix and or berate them for those flaws. My aggression was seen as a protective measure against further verbal or emotional abuse. To the point of seeing nearly everything anyone does as being bad in some way. In turn I lived in a perpetual state of anxiety trying to be perfect and not like them. Id crumble from the constant pressure and fall into a depressive state. It was jarring as hell when the paradigm shift happened through therapy. My heart goes out to you and your friend. Even if he doesn't realize it right now , you are indeed a good friend to him. Sending him links to these videos without pressure to view it may help him when he's ready

    • @jamesbow5916
      @jamesbow5916 3 роки тому +5

      @@entrotlek I'm curious. What did you learn about yourself in therapy that was the most helpful? The issue my friend has is that any time he gets self reflective about his own actions, he immediately falls into a place of shame. Not "I did bad things", but "I am bad."
      I'm also curious how you came to learn your aggression was nothing more than a protective measure?

    • @entrotlek
      @entrotlek 2 роки тому +8

      @@jamesbow5916 Hello, honestly, it took covid happening along with me just being plain tired of being so angry all the time. The lock down forced me to slow down and the solitude gave me space to think back on the various negative situations in my life. I noticed a pattern and that once i was by my self i no longer had a scapegoat to project my issued on. I think i had what Ekhart Tolle calls a "dark night of the soul" where i realized the aggressiveness i though was protecting myself was actually damaging me and holding me back from the positive things i yearned for all along. I ended up spending the year reading self help books on personality disorders, trauma, and codependency to understand their diffrences better. I realized alot of my misery was based on internalized negative messages i grew up hearing from the other disordered around me. I believed them because i was a child and their word was gospel. I never thought of others opinionsand assessments of myself as being just that; THEIR perspective based on their own backgrounds and experiances. I finally decieded to seek out therapy after finding this channel and Dr. Kirk Honda, as well as Dr.Jerry Wise, and Dr. Fox's channels. It really helpled me understand how various relationship dynamics and internalized beliefs formed my own self and how I viewed myself in relation to others. I realized in trying to avoid rejection from those i viewed as better or above me , i was behaving in controlling and negative ways to make that fear a reality. Being pity seeking, and easily wounded also unknowingly gave me the benefit of staying immature which compounded in affecting my professional and fiscial life. Finally accepting that things are as they are and that i am allowed to have a self and the lables other equaly ill people gave me arent true really helped releasing alot of the self hate and anxiety which releaved alot of the depression as well. The work is hard as hell but it is so rewarding. It wonderful you want to help your friend. I hope they are able to get the help they need. Its a deeply personal thing to do, but necessary. If they decide to take that journey, just be there to listen and offer encouragement. Best of luck to you both!

  • @minnietoot9704
    @minnietoot9704 Рік тому +9

    I really needed to hear how one responds to aggressive people in our personal lives. I had a 'friend' attack me awfully out of the blue when I was extremely ill physically and so vulnerable. I had been isolating for a long time and couldnt keep our friendship in the manner she was used to and so she attacked my health. It was awful. It made me feel sick. I sat on it for two months , as I felt that a response, was just buying into the attack. But, on a stressful day I sent them a response that told them I was eradicating them from my life (which I have done). I felt as though although I was deeply hurt, I had bought into the game and I know I didnt respond well. I wish I could hear Dr Yeomans advice on standing up for yourself while under attack and yet not attacking back. A hard one.

  • @BBFCCO733
    @BBFCCO733 2 роки тому +4

    I was always accused of having anger outbursts by my negligent mother, antisocial father and husband who claimed he had no issues. When I took ownership instead of feeling guilt, they were no longer able to shame me.

  • @Yamikaiba123
    @Yamikaiba123 2 роки тому +7

    My favourite way to calm down is to notice my building anger and to observe what it feels like to be me in the situation that is angering me.
    I usually find it hilarious. Being mad is pretty funny.
    The humour of the situation (or rather, of my metacognition of the situation?) depressirizes my anger and lets almlst all of ot out.

    • @Yamikaiba123
      @Yamikaiba123 2 роки тому +1

      My second favourite way to calm down is to go away with a kleenex box and then smash it a few times against the floor while yelling wordlessly. LOL

    • @andrewsmith3257
      @andrewsmith3257 Рік тому

      How do you deal with a narcissist that pushes your buttons all the time? That's what I'm living with

    • @Yamikaiba123
      @Yamikaiba123 Рік тому

      @@andrewsmith3257 When I HAVE to be around them, I try to anticipate them doing that: the reaction that they provoke in me might be what they want. I try to treat them (in my mind) as a child who can't help but make messes around me and with my feelings, so that I don't feel all that hurt about it.
      It's not easy all of the time. Often it is, though, given how predictable their behaviour can be.
      I also try to replace them in my life (time-management-wise) with someone or something more collaborative with my life.
      Sometimes, I even verbally draw boundaries with them. But with some people, they'll pretend that they don't understand the boundary. It depends on delivery and on the person.

  • @barrieevans890
    @barrieevans890 3 роки тому +16

    I shared this to Facebook. These videos are so helpful in making a connection between somewhat abstract psychotherapeutic concepts and and awareness of how we conduct our day-to-day lives.

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +3

      So glad you feel this way about these vids. We are trying to find the people (like Yeomans) who can decipher and outline the connections.

  • @angecici7550
    @angecici7550 Рік тому +1

    I am very glad I allowed myself to go through this..what a wisdom...a life of narcissism is a life of waste.. It is like you were supposed to go the right path to reach your rightful destination but you chose left..all narcissists are not in touch and causes failure of life..failure of the big picture

  • @austinevans926
    @austinevans926 3 роки тому +11

    The editing was distracting and odd!

  • @susanblackston968
    @susanblackston968 3 роки тому +13

    The editing for dramatic effect is totally unnecessary and distracts from the presentation.

  • @Sundais4freelee
    @Sundais4freelee 3 роки тому +7

    Excellent ...should be taught in high school ... allowing kids knowledge that will help their lives and relationships

  • @marhar1172
    @marhar1172 2 роки тому +2

    I'm glad he made the point of activists have to listen to BOTH sides and don't act on impulse..wise words..I really like this guy.

  • @nvjq
    @nvjq 3 роки тому +28

    thank you so much for the hard work you do on this channel. these videos are a treasure - they make such valuable knowledge available to so many.

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +5

      Thank you for being here and for the kind comment!

  • @jiminy_cricket777
    @jiminy_cricket777 3 роки тому +10

    Also the quick changes in perspective were a bit distracting.. some would be cool but it felt a bit overdone. The echo effect was cool though. But on the other hand I'm kind of over some of my sensory sensitivity issues that I used to have so I can imagine it being annoying to other viewers or to my past self.

  • @LiamPorterFilms
    @LiamPorterFilms 3 роки тому +7

    This channel is very educational.

    • @LiamPorterFilms
      @LiamPorterFilms 3 роки тому +1

      I also appreciated the creative editing!

  • @Sameoldfitup
    @Sameoldfitup 3 роки тому +2

    “ Nothing can be loved or hated unless it is first understood.” - Leonardo da Vinci

  • @alanaadams7440
    @alanaadams7440 2 роки тому +4

    My mother had a good comeback to my narc critical father. She said your problem is that you can't find a perfect wife

  • @rfwoolf
    @rfwoolf 3 роки тому +5

    This is gold, especially the first half. Thanks Rebbie and Team!

  • @le_th_
    @le_th_ 2 роки тому +4

    These interviews are so interesting. Well done. Thank you to both parties for sharing this depth of knowledge.

  • @beatrizvignoli4053
    @beatrizvignoli4053 6 днів тому

    I loved the video editing, so symbolic of the concepts being dealt with!

  • @amattes1960
    @amattes1960 8 місяців тому

    I am so very glad to have found this channel. I honestly did not think there were any practical treatments for people with NPD or APD! I am also very glad to hear psychoanalysis being discussed. I have been told far too many times that it is out of date and no longer used!

  • @HyperFocusMarshmallow
    @HyperFocusMarshmallow 3 роки тому +1

    I love how this is cut in so many ways.

  • @bobdejong2387
    @bobdejong2387 3 роки тому +4

    Great to have Frank Yeomans back on your channel, especially as one of the leading people regarding TFP. Maybe Eve Caligor in some next interview or conversation?

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks for the response, and great suggestion. We know that name here at the channel!

  • @jiminy_cricket777
    @jiminy_cricket777 3 роки тому +10

    At about 2:40, where Yeomans is discussing Klein's depressive position - I think Don Carveth's clarification of this (which you can find on his channel in his lectures on Klein) is very helpful. Klein did not mean the depressive position to refer to depression, she meant it to refer to depressive anxiety - that is, my feeling of concern and guilt (what Winnicott called "ruth" - the capacity for concern) after I have woken up from regression to splitting where I was attacking someone thinking they were an all-bad persecutor - my feeling of guilt about this and my desire to repair the other, and anxiety about whether reparation will be possible. This is not depression per se - many Kleinian writers (sounds like Yeomans is not one of these but I haven't read his books) get this confused.

  • @JohnMoseley
    @JohnMoseley 3 роки тому +14

    Great video, but I gotta say, it was frustrating that you cut him off just as he was about to start talking about the difficulty of dealing with angry paranoid types in one's own life, outside a clinical setting. If he had any tips on that at all, I really wanted to hear them.

    • @xxpowwowbluexx
      @xxpowwowbluexx 2 роки тому +3

      Exactly my thoughts, too. I really wanted to hear that part, but it got cut off.

    • @tatianahawaii13
      @tatianahawaii13 Рік тому +1

      Same

    • @theangriestoftabbies
      @theangriestoftabbies Рік тому +1

      If you haven’t noticed, she’s very aggressive. I find some of her videos hard to watch for this reason.

  • @khakicampbell6640
    @khakicampbell6640 2 роки тому

    Awesome editing by the way! Blended well with the conversation, very dynamic.

  • @waltertheartist2746
    @waltertheartist2746 3 роки тому +4

    Such valuable wisdom.

  • @boudicca7181
    @boudicca7181 2 роки тому +1

    The interviewer does such a good job.

  • @jcm5171
    @jcm5171 Місяць тому

    Fantastic conversation !

  • @sugarsaltspice
    @sugarsaltspice 3 роки тому +2

    So fascinating!

  • @mariaeloisalemme4565
    @mariaeloisalemme4565 3 роки тому +4

    I just loove this channel.
    Thanks a lot

  • @Vrishnaakh
    @Vrishnaakh 3 роки тому +24

    Great interview ruined by the editing. The content is good enough, it doesn't need all these video/audio filters, it's very distracting and unnerving - especially for such a sensitive content.

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +4

      Hi and thanks for sharing your viewpoint. We went back and forth on this decision and landed on this editing treatment after some careful thought about what would be most engaging to the most people in our audience. Sorry to hear it's not your style and had the opposite-than-intended effect on you.

    • @sailing9802
      @sailing9802 3 роки тому

      @@BorderlinerNotes I enjoyed the new editing/filming techniques. Nice change.

    • @rjrnj1
      @rjrnj1 3 роки тому +3

      I was, also, distracted but... I've got ADHD, so maybe...
      Nope. Just annoyed me.

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +1

      rjrnj1 we realized the editing might prompt a response like yours and totally get it. We’re trying something we and honing it as we aren’t filming in a studio with lighting and high end lenses etc... so it rendered a different result, this this new editing approach. Thank you for the feedback.

    • @coolspot64
      @coolspot64 3 роки тому +4

      Not loving the editing either.

  • @ConvergingPerspectives
    @ConvergingPerspectives 2 роки тому +1

    Great video! Great thinker!

  • @marcelastacey890
    @marcelastacey890 3 роки тому +3

    Can I give this video 100 thumbs up?! 😊 my favorite line? “Think before you act.”

  • @brit8802
    @brit8802 2 місяці тому

    I love this editing, I can’t stop loving it haha

  • @Star-dj1kw
    @Star-dj1kw 2 роки тому

    Excellent video 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @meaghanorlinski8464
    @meaghanorlinski8464 2 роки тому

    This is super relevant, more so then ever....

  • @seharjabeen
    @seharjabeen Рік тому +2

    The content of this video is very important. I highly appreciate for bringing this knowledge of human psychology to me. Just a humble request, please don’t animate or edit word by word. If the aim is to make the video more engaging, entertaining or interesting maybe improving light, camera angles and other recordings techniques will be more suitable. Very honestly any kind of animation would be distracting for this type of content. Great interview, thought provoking questions, and valuable learnings about human psychology. A big thanks 🙏

  • @lilliammarie7828
    @lilliammarie7828 Рік тому

    Thank you.

  • @johnkosterimages
    @johnkosterimages 2 роки тому

    I fucking love the video and editing work! Really made what could have been boring shit into really cool.

  • @penchur
    @penchur 3 роки тому +7

    Although I really appreciate the interview and the conversation was, as always very interesting, I really really didn't like the editing. I find it distracting and as if the editor wanted to be in the limelight and was more concentrated to "play the editor" than put the attention on the person that is being interviewed. I hope you will go back to former style, your work is very beneficial and important. ( sorry for the spelling and grammar mistakes, not a native speaker)

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you for the feedback. We understand the editing might have this impact and were working with a new set of production limitations we were trying to solve through the edit.

  • @browneye6000
    @browneye6000 Рік тому

    The four or fore fathers monument in Plymouth mass, is a memorial of what it took to build the country, great vid

  • @redsciurus
    @redsciurus 2 роки тому

    Great interview. The cycling through different views every few seconds makes it very difficult to follow though, unlike previous videos that did not have this issue. Especially when it focuses on the interviewer partway through one of his sentences.

  • @havadatequila
    @havadatequila 3 роки тому +6

    Not a fan of all the cuts. Frank is not boring and doesn't need the help.

    • @ira_herself997
      @ira_herself997 Місяць тому

      Probably someone with minimal knowledge did it. It’s awful, zero quality in editing or sound/ lighting.

  • @craigsips8677
    @craigsips8677 2 роки тому +2

    In the 90's we took micro dot acid. For 12+ hrs we experienced pure aggression with out the stress that usually accompanies it.
    I learned that night that aggression is the purest form of existence. It's absolutely wonderful.

  • @calebmccool
    @calebmccool 3 роки тому +2

    Hi, this is Caleb McCool again. By watching many of your videos as a whole, it reminds me of my own thought of “I have BPD, and sometimes I’m in pain... And if there are times that I feel overwhelming pain, then I know others with less than me would struggle just as much with pain.” ... In my experience, others I’ve met with BPD are among the most authentic and sincere people.
    I thought of mentioning my brother and me have our own ministry - in which we do videos and public speaking. ( i won’t mention the ministry name here, as I don’t want to spam)
    As being diagnosed with BPD, let me know if I can ever be of service. And I don’t mean to give any pressure on a decision. Just wanted to throw out the offer 🙏

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +1

      Caleb... I always love reading your comments and sense your kind good vibes. It might be best for us to get on the phone to talk possible ways to collaborate. I know you sent me an email a while back and I think I half responded but wasn't sure how to proceed. My email is borderlinethemovie@gmail.com - if you follow-up with me there, we can then trade phone numbers and talk more real-time. Thank you for being so forthcoming in sharing thoughts, feelings etc... So appreciate reading what you have to say.

    • @calebmccool
      @calebmccool 3 роки тому

      @@BorderlinerNotes I went ahead and sent you an email. Let me know if you haven’t received it yet.

  • @jan_Masewin
    @jan_Masewin 2 роки тому

    lovely video, I hope your video editor has calmed down since

  • @themekfrommars
    @themekfrommars 3 роки тому +3

    I don't think I took acid earlier....

  • @diamondgirl7997
    @diamondgirl7997 2 роки тому +1

    Many people do not reflect or have any sort of introspection

  • @RalphDratman
    @RalphDratman 3 роки тому +4

    Tricky video editing! It is unsettling. I guess that is what was intended, but I did not find it helpful.

  • @buffaloshrimp4520
    @buffaloshrimp4520 8 місяців тому

    Definitely yours I’ve allowed u to film us all year and have put up with a lot feel like I deserve it but it’s still hard to deal with at times but I understand if I wanted to I could have jus played along but it’s jus not in me but she makes it different now

  • @elisazhang5509
    @elisazhang5509 2 роки тому +1

    I wish they could upload the original version of video without all the effects

  • @roger_isaksson
    @roger_isaksson 5 місяців тому

    Being aggressive (and assertive) is not the same as displaying aggression, such as passive aggressive tendencies.
    Because most people are so awfully socially conditioned, they’re completely immersed in the passive aggressive tendencies and mistake assertiveness as such. It is the toxicity of the bourgeois insinuations and tendencies that kids learn very early on from their narcissistic parents.
    A certain amount of force (aggressive) and delicacy is required in daily life. Nowhere is it more prominent than in sports and in effective teams of any kind.

  • @sailing9802
    @sailing9802 3 роки тому +4

    I got angry at my boyfriend when he didn't respond to affection and care I showed him after his medical procedure. I have BPD.. He has undiagnosed Aspergers. I understand this is a bad combination.

    • @valeriegonzalez6629
      @valeriegonzalez6629 9 місяців тому

      Oh yes, it is a bad connection. It's probably not going to change for the better.

  • @crazyduck1254
    @crazyduck1254 2 роки тому +1

    who designed these visuals! i liked it. A lot.

  • @SuperGorak
    @SuperGorak 3 роки тому +5

    good interview but the editing is throwing me off

  • @XYZ-mn2zu
    @XYZ-mn2zu 2 роки тому +1

    Such good material. The editing takes away from it though.

  • @gmpinto2
    @gmpinto2 Місяць тому

    I agree that humanity needs to come to terms with it's inborn instinctive tendencies in order to do something about managing the negative consequences of following through on them, but it's also important when having discussions about politically charged topics to take a neutral position with the intention of citing examples but not simultaneously expressing a personal opinion on such matters. I agree with the psychological assessments, I don't agree with the political bias in the discussion. One must play devil's advocate for the sake of arriving at some common truth (Hegelianism). Sometimes the "bad guys" have valid points... The only way we are going to come to some compromise in any conflict is to understand the perspective of the "antagonist" in our own false dichotomic narrative... Hollywood loves false dichotomies because humans are hardwired for the "us against them" type mindset. In my opinion, when an academic expresses their own personal opinions on a highly polarized political topics it shows a lack of professionalism and perhaps points to a hidden agenda. Look closely at your own motives and biases before you teach others to operate without bias....

  • @ecohumanism
    @ecohumanism 2 роки тому

    This was the problem with this system from the beginning. You barely have more people in the government who don't share publicly proclaimed values, but times have changed, and the place of the US in the world has changed. An hearing people speak more about irresponsible behaviours - gives me hope.

  • @macoeur1122
    @macoeur1122 2 роки тому +1

    Interesting explanation of the difference between the serial killer with the anti-social personality and the concentration camp guard as the paranoid schizoid. I've often wondered about "some" present day authorities (say for instance prosecutors of murderers...rapists..etc...) and wondered if their common methods might be an unhealthy, or even disordered personality trait...and even the way our culture seems to "steer" victims toward "punishment of the perpetrator as a solution to their pain"...There has always seemed to me to be something quite unhealthy about this stance for everyone involved...even while the outrage may be completely understandable in one sense...it always comes across to me in such trials that the prosecutors are something like the "paranoid schizoid" you describe who seems to be dividing the world into "bad folks" and "good folks". I do understand that a lot of this is likely due to the way our justice system "requires" prosecutors to be...but it's often very difficult for me to witness, because it feels as if they may be doing far more harm than good promoting this "black and white" view of humanity.

  • @owenashton2386
    @owenashton2386 Рік тому +2

    I love the discussion but feel the endless cutting, mirroring, audio doubling etc really distracts from the piece. It feels like we're occasionally venturing into Alan Watts territory and I'm wondering whether I'm listening to a clinical discussion or half baked in the chillout tent at some psy festival.

  • @zahra1308
    @zahra1308 4 місяці тому

    "bringing holiness to the world"
    sounds very American actually!!!

  • @DIRKCHRISTIAN
    @DIRKCHRISTIAN 3 роки тому +4

    I found the artistic approach in edtiting and filming more disturbing to just following the interesting conversation. Less is more; e.g. Joe Rogan, Jocko Willink...just talk, the content does the job for you.

  • @alcidesfy
    @alcidesfy Рік тому +9

    The editing and sound effects are bizarre, unsettling and seem unnecessary.

  • @michaelhussey440
    @michaelhussey440 Рік тому

    At 10.55 Yeomans touches on the topic of the extreme emotional experience of the paranoid mind coming to light sometimes with activists and this rings true. I believe it lies behind the tendency to perceive conservative opponents as 'hateful' , or even 'genocidal' for holding traditional views about such things as immigration control or gender ideology.

  • @brandonkindt1205
    @brandonkindt1205 4 дні тому

    The importance of "shared values" highlights the problem with mass migration (illegal and legal), where the migrant feels no compulsion to assimilate into mainstream society.

  • @sailing9802
    @sailing9802 3 роки тому

    Was the 60s protests all about rebelling against your parents? I wonder what Yeoman's would say. He is of that era.

  • @jiminy_cricket777
    @jiminy_cricket777 3 роки тому +1

    Also, just to clarify a bit more about depressive position and the depressive anxiety that goes with this vs. depression - depression actually belongs more to the paranoid-schizoid position, because any serious depression involves a feeling that one is all-bad - and that is splitting (the "schizoid" part of paranoid-schizoid).

    • @suzanne6441
      @suzanne6441 3 роки тому +1

      So the depression of realizing you were the jerk, wrong, overreacted - isn't going to last like Depression?

    • @jiminy_cricket777
      @jiminy_cricket777 3 роки тому +2

      @@suzanne6441 that's right, in order to experience depressive anxiety there has to be ambivalence - one wakes up from splitting and remembers that the other person (or oneself, if one is splitting about oneself rather than another person) isn't all-bad, they're good too -- so is there time to repair them?! (Exclamation point added to emphasize the depressive *anxiety* part.)
      The key point really is that in the depressive position, there is the ability to remember that a person who is seen as bad at one moment, is also good, and that these ideas (and feelings--this is, crucially, not just an intellectual exercise) about said person can be held in mind simultaneously, together.
      And we all split sometimes, so being mentally healthy is more a question of how quickly you wake up from being in the paranoid-schizoid position, rather than never visiting it at all after achieving the depressive position. These are states of mind that we all experience sometimes, more than they are developmental stages (though the depressive position is certainly more developmentally mature). All it takes is a bad night's sleep, for some people or low blood sugar for others, and most people are a bit more prone to feeling persecuted and feeling irritable.
      BPD, being part of someone's personality, is like that but is more entrenched and often more extreme than that.

    • @suzanne6441
      @suzanne6441 3 роки тому +1

      @@jiminy_cricket777 Thanks!

    • @joshualong4690
      @joshualong4690 2 роки тому

      I appreciate your elaboration as well. Thank you.

  • @allisonandrews4719
    @allisonandrews4719 2 роки тому

    What about the aggression that comes after one is surprised by rape or assault (but obviously not after successfully lethal application of force)? Not the gray areas of interpretation of harm, but in direct response to explicit harm done by the other. Is that reactive self-defensive aggression the same? And then when it turns into PTSD, when the threat has been survived, but the aggressive feelings continue, is that the same?

  • @KazHope
    @KazHope 3 роки тому +5

    Too many edits

  • @aunabreslingaming3279
    @aunabreslingaming3279 Рік тому

    My mom neglected me for around 10 years took me to bad therapy that traumatized and angered me, went to india 4+ times in unstable “meditation” retreat that made her minutely more aware but……
    Now after continuing to abuse me…… she wants to go again
    Am I losing it or is my mom legitimately either delusional and/or intentionally abusing me?

  • @chaostheory16
    @chaostheory16 Рік тому +3

    Editing here makes me nauseous in how quick it changes… editor is trying to be too clever. Thank you for the helpful content, though.

  • @Wingedmagician
    @Wingedmagician 8 місяців тому

    Is there an unedited version of this?

  • @titaniumexpose6365
    @titaniumexpose6365 3 роки тому

    Trippy editing

  • @martincattell6820
    @martincattell6820 Місяць тому

    Errrr no. I've liked every video I've seen so far because they were clearly and directly expressed. I hope no others have any of these terrible effects. One was too much

  • @aaronnicholson8154
    @aaronnicholson8154 2 роки тому +1

    Great content! But the creative editing is very annoying and hard to watch. Thank you so much for this series, though. Very helpful.

  • @darlene9726
    @darlene9726 Рік тому +1

    Great topic and interview but the camera work was distracting and unpleasant.

  • @whatshisname3304
    @whatshisname3304 2 роки тому +1

    i certainly felt a little unstable after watching this upload, editing overload.

  • @BrookeBrooke12320
    @BrookeBrooke12320 3 роки тому

    Thanks for your videos. I did want to ask.. you sometimes seem distracted or nervous in your videos. I wanted to ask if you get anxious about filming? Understand if you don’t want to answer. Just something I have noticed 🙂

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +1

      Ha.... In this instance, my seeming "distracted" is actually my looking at the zoom screen vs my phone (both serving as recording devices). So, I'm trying to shift my eyeline, make sure all is still recording (because I'm responsible for the tech part of this process) and also staying connected to what Yeomans is saying. So... I am totally listening, but also shifting my eyeline between recording elements.

  • @leonardodedeo5540
    @leonardodedeo5540 3 роки тому +2

    I've really appreciated the animations 😄... anyway, it's a really important point for me to try to interpret the social and political situation of our own countries even from this point of view. I think that in some cases ethical judgment should not be expressed without any consideration on the psychological basis behind our actions and decisions, which then can of course influence our actions in the World (around us or at a larger scale, whatever). Thus, I would expect some other "social" reflections like this. A very good video 😉

    • @BorderlinerNotes
      @BorderlinerNotes  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the thoughtful response. Happy the visuals were enjoyable to you too :)

    • @leonardodedeo5540
      @leonardodedeo5540 3 роки тому

      @@BorderlinerNotes You're welcome, thank you 😊

  • @jimfoster7986
    @jimfoster7986 2 роки тому +1

    Somebody was getting jiggly in the editing suite.

  • @brainmoleculemarketing801
    @brainmoleculemarketing801 3 роки тому

    Do folks feel the video effects help comprehension and learning or something else?

  • @geralldus
    @geralldus 3 роки тому +3

    Editing should be invisible this is amateur and intrusive….. the speaker deserves much better.

  • @jimlyon7276
    @jimlyon7276 2 роки тому

    @12:48 - "Reacting @ gut level" - Worded differently, failing to apply a cortical pause ! Sadly, few people even know how to do that. For more see the unclearly titled INSTITUTE of GENERAL SEMANTICS.- Stated more accurately it's actually a META system & THE Non Newtonian Science of Evaluations which uses modern methodology to solve every daily life problems. THE core book is "SCIENCE & SANITY" by ALFRED KORZYBSKI. Being a scientific treatise, for those keen to get to that level I recommend you read 5 or 6 mid level books to act as a bridge to get to that level e.g. Korzybski's 1 st book "MANHOOD OF HUMANITY" & any book by BRUCE KODISH - apart from those he wrote on back pain. - And don't bother reading Hayakawa as he never understood that rather than ordinary semantics, G-S is actually a Science of Evaluations. - Getting up there did wonders for my life ! :)

  • @oliverbird6914
    @oliverbird6914 11 місяців тому +1

    What's with the messing with the screen

  • @brit8802
    @brit8802 2 місяці тому

    Feels like a 2009 movie

  • @dianatellez2232
    @dianatellez2232 3 роки тому

    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @karenr5870
    @karenr5870 Рік тому +1

    What is happening… I am dizzy 🥴