HALF THE PRICE!? PolarPro Peter McKinnon vs Freewell Variable ND Mist Filters
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- Which Filter Is Better? Freewell or the PolarPro Peter McKinnon Edition ii Variable ND Mist Filter? Freewell costs less than half the price but can they stand up to the PolarPro quality? Vignetting, sharpness, contrast, cross polarization, and ease of use are all factors in what makes a great variable ND filter, but when you add in a diffusion factor as well, things get even more complicated. In this video, we'll take a look at examples and tests shot to see which is best!
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Polarpro x Peter McKinnon Edition II Mist VND → geni.us/LzRbPFX
Freewell MIST Filters → geni.us/freewellmist
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Table of Contents:
0:00 - Introduction
0:13 - Video Overview
0:59 - What is a Variable ND + Mist Filter
1:41 - Comparison Notes
2:04 - Price Comparison
2:22 - Available Thread Sizes
2:38 - Carrying Cases & Lens Caps
3:57 - Construction & Vignetting
4:07 - Hard Stops & Cross Polarization Tests
5:10 - Stop Notches or Haptic Feedback
5:52 - Stop Marking Accuracy
6:24 - Color Cast
7:02 - Sharpness
7:13 - What about the Mist Part
7:19 - Diffusion and Contrast
8:35 - Bright Daylight Example
9:45 - Which Filter is Better?
10:45 - Bonus
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This is how I like to see a comparison video, very well done, clear and concise.
Liked and subscribed
Thank you so much!!
I prefer the freewell , with the polarpro the looks of vegetation and trees are very dark because is too contrasty, with the freewell you get a very pleasant and illuminate green color, besides that if you want more detail in the shadows and better dynamic range to work in postproduction the freewell is the choice and if you want a dramatic shoot, choose the polarpro , but is easy to add contrast to the freewell image in post-production than to reduce contrast and try to recover detail from the shadows in the polarpro image.
Freewell has a more filmic quality
The colours on the video is amazing. The lighting, clarity, skin tones, saturation, shadows.. All very pleasing to the eye!
Really appreciate the production quality of this vid...it takes a lot of work to animate/edit a polished vid like this...great job man!
Very interesting cross polarization results. Didn't expect it to be that bad with either of these brands at 16mm!
I loved how the Freewell 6-9 mist look.
Great review! Your insight played a pivotal part in deciding what my very first variable nd filter would be - Peter McKinnon Polar Pro it is. Great channel 👍
Appreciate the thorough review man! About to order those PPs! Curious if you’re using a VND/ND filter with/without mist on the lens recording your video?
Not going to lie, I really like the Freewell 6-9 the best. lol Granted I do mostly music videos and creative-style work. I have a Simmod Variable ND and a DIY mist filter if I need cleaner shots, but I'm really happy I decided to go with the Freewell 6-9!
great video man :) thx for doing it..i just found ur chanell and i love it :D keep up the great work
Great Video, I guess it comes down to personal taste, I've just ordered the Polarpro Edition II with 2-5 / 6-9 82mm, with 3 additional Step Plates for 62mm, 67mm, and 77mm, that combination cover most of my Nikon Z lenses, just need to find a good 112mm filter next. Wasn't really sure if I needed the Mist Filters, but figured, since I'll be doing my first wedding shoot next year, it's better to have it available if needed. Thanks again, this was a very informative video.
Absolutely love the video, but I have a question about the lighting setup. How did you manage to not get any lens flares with the lights directly shining into the lens? (like during the opening shot at 0:00)
Lots of useful content again, nice work!
Thanks!
Excellent review man! I'm following you now 🤟🏽
Hi, thanks to share the interesting video. Out of curiosity: do you not think a variable ND filer is more convenient if it has a lever on the ring to be able to move the lens more easily to shoot videos? Thank you
Great review! Definitely looking forward to getting the PM
What a solid comparison. As a PP user myself, it’s great to see how they stack up against Freewell. Well done man!!!
Thanks dude!!
I too am a PP user
I too am a PP user. Some times i use it 3-4 times a day
I am not a pp user
Excellent review, thanks a lot ! 🙂
Dunna excellent review. I think I’ll go with PP for user experience and consistency
Early for another great video. I was debating on if I wanted to get the PMVND for a while now.
They’re pretty great! Not without their fallbacks but super handy!
Dunna, well done man! I already have been experimenting with the Polar Pro 2-5 VND+Mist and after seeing this test, I think I'll pickup the 6-9.
Nice! Yeah I think the 6-9 is even better quality
Your videos are so well made 😍
Thank you so much!
Best review/comparison by a mile. Thanks man. I got the Freewell 2-5 only since it's what I need and I definitely can't justify $250 for the PM
Thanks a ton!
Excellent comparison!!!
Great video! As usual 😁 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks dude!
Bravo... The thumbnail is really good. Let me enjoy the content...😊🤗🤗
Thank you! I hope you enjoy!
I think it's even fair to mention that the polar pros hold their value very well. When everyone was selling the v1's when the signature series II came out they were still selling for over $150 US
Great point! Thanks for sharing!
Just throw a couple lighting gels in front of the lens cover, give it a rough white balance, smear some vaseline on it and bam. free mist/ND filter
Lol 😂
wouldnt that make the whole shot blurry though?
Yes it can for sure. It’s not really the same as a must filter but stuff like that is done to create some cool blurry effects
You made my decision easy before you made my decision easy this time Freewell all the way.
Just checked with Freewell below 77mm (which is what I use) it comes in their transparent magnetic case so that issue of seeing what's inside is solved & I like their look.
Well there you go!
how do they compare to tiffen?
i want to go fr the freewell as my one nain nd filter, shoukd i go for the normal on or the one with the mist option .. pls suggest
been using polar pro for 3 years! scratched up like crazy, going to be trying freewell next :)
great review , I got a polarpro 95mm Cpl for my rf 28-70mm f/2 it won't thread on correctly it literally pops off ever had thus issue with the 95mm thread
Dude you're slaying these reviews! 11pts for Canadian content!
thanks for the tips!
I’m a landscape waterfall guy... my solution is to not use a vnd. Just give me an nd8 and a cp and I’m a happy 850 user! But, I’ve only been doing this for 40 years so I’m sure I’m doing it wrongly! ;)
Yeah, for anything other than quick “run-n-gun” shooting I prefer solid nd’s too. VND’s are my go to for convenience and probably more so for video work than photo work. I think your way is 100% the right way!
What do you think of combined ND/CPL Are they bad because it's 2v1? I didn't hear about any color issues with those
Is it a bad idea to get the edition 1 (since they are cheaper now)? I know they made external changes, but is the quality of the actual results of photos and videos the same for both edition 1 and 2? That’s all I care about, please help!
Been a Freewell fan for a while, especially their VNDs for the price/performance ratio, and just recently started using their (non-VND) Glow-mist filters, so this is an important comparison. I used their 1/8 mist filter recently on my first film project and was satisfied but admittedly have nothing to really compare it to other than "without". I can see this being a tougher decision if I end up using mist filters more. But the magnetic lens cap is a LOVE/HATE relationship for me - for the VNDs its less of an issue (more metal, beefier), but with the single NDs or CPL and now especially the super thin Glow-mists, you CANNOT get the lens cap off without pulling the filter off, too - and then the struggle of separating the two of them begins (I don't have long fingernails!). It's about my only complaint...but the words I utter each time...
I’ve been using their mist filters for most of my talking head bits too. Love the way the 1/8 looks. I agree it’s tough to get the cap off as well!
I'm so glad I stuck with the Freewell original vnd because I can just attach any strength of promist at the back of it. Making it more consistent, and without those stop notches.
yeah but don't you get vignetting when you stack 2 filters on top of each other? [the VND is as thick as 2 filters on it's own, so it's like 3 filters together]
If people already own VND filters but would like to add a Mist diffusion, then i highly recommend the 'Kolari R Magnetic Clip-In Filters'. They offer 1/8 and 1/4 and you can use them alongside any lens filters saving you a bundle of cash.
This is so beneficial. Gonna buy the freewell thru your affiliate link. You’ve earned it bro. There is so much value in this video!!! Can you do more gear comparison videos?
Awesome! Thank you! I will try to do more for sure!
Honorable dear Thank you for your video , I am going get soon Sony A7s3 , Tamron 28-78 f 2.8 , Tamron 17-28 f 2.8 , then which ND filter size do you recommend me ..? 67 , 72, 77 or 82 mm . I am confused help me out of this please.
HI Dunna. Im about to get this Freewell VND + Mist for wedding video. Wondering if lowlight during reception, If I take of the filter due to the VND make footage darker then Im not able to have Glow Effect as well. Normally will people use Mist Filter during the lowlight like reception ? Thanks
U can set the vnd X mist to zero Nd. Just use the mist from it
what about the new free well 7 in 1 compared to the PPPM? Would you still say the PM ones?
so detail, thx
Great video dude!!
Another subject, do you have any issues with A7S3 files in Davinci? When I import A7S3 files in Davinci, all files become "media offline". I tried with the FX6 files and it works correctly. Do you have any tips?
The free version of resolve can’t do 10bit files unless they’re prores I believe. That might be the issue.
thanks for that info
Hi Dunna
Great review, and you really put the breaks on my decision to purchase the Freewell Mist VNd filters. Regarding the differences in diffusion with the Freewell products, could that be to do with those being pre release versions? Also, did you reach out to Freewell to make this issue known to them? Thank you.
Hey! I don’t believe these are pre release versions as far as I’m aware. And when I released the video, I got an email from freewell saying thanks for the suggestions and that they would take the comments into consideration for the future. I’m not sure whether that means future iterations of this filter or for other filters.
@@dunnadidit Ok thank you for explaining that. It’s a shame you are the only person to mention this issue.
Also, do you have an email contact that you wouldn't mind sharing so I could contact them directly myself? Thanks.
Great comparison, love how the PP/PM stuff works/looks, just can't afford them.
I would take a guess that you're not alone there.
@@dunnadidit - indeed!
Magnets, coffee and hazy BOKEH!!! All epic things, Dunna! Smashed it again! Like you, I think I would save my coin for the PolarPro Peter McKinnon Edition ii Variable ND Mist Filter. Awesome, AWESOME review...watched it twice! 😁👍🏾
Haha this is a very DUNNA review isn't it lol.
@@dunnadidit IKR!! 😂
So I mostly do automotive photography and my main lens is now the new 35mm f/1.4 GM. Which stop would suit me better with the polar pro PM? 2-5 or the 6-9?
Honestly, for photography... you might want to look into solid nd’s. But if you’re set on a vnd, go 6-9 stop.
I personally like the PP 2-5 and FW 6-9 combo
Interesting! If I was mixing and matching I would probably go the opposite way, FW2-5 and PP 6-9
hey this is unrelated but do u see a new sony apsc camera coming out?
You're right it is complicated. On one hand the functionality is better on PP. But on the other hand you're paying double for minimal mist effect. In the backlit shots it's hard to tell you even had a $250 filter on the camera. So in that situation the filter is not worth the money. FW looks a little over misted. The review would have been a ton better if you put in the time showing comparisons of these filters in more than just 3 setups especially for a comparison that is so "complicated" I'm thumbs upping just the same but just saying would have been nice to get more examples.
Very good detailed review as always......wow I don't like that the mist doesn't match. Very odd. Not sure which one I would choose.....I am cheap, but rather spend more money to get what I would want. Thats a hard one. I would lean more Polar Pro on this one. Good video, makes someone think long and hard on this one.
Pretty tough call hey!
Can I use these mist filters inside? Do I have to bring to ISO up to fix the darkness of the nd filter?
yoo, in bright daylight section of the vid - imo there was no need for nd filter ? 'no filter' looked just fine.
Let's go on to the questions part: I've got gh4 with 58mm main lens (the other one is 52mm) its micro 4/3 sensor, I'm lookin to buy variable nd filter. Should I go with freewell or PolarPro, the PolarPro one is starting from 67 so I need step up rings - any downsizes of that option? vignetting? FOV? 52 to 67 is a lot I guess.
Wondering if the mist effect get amplified if we stack either those two filters with something like black promist or cinebloom 🤔🤔🤔
It can!
This is not about the filter but as I saw your progress with your channel, I see that you have some music and other things on your earlier videos. What made you decide to go into the camera (Photography and Videography) content-wise? (I currently have this problem) not sure if I should just do all the topics I want in my channel like music, film, tech, or just stick to one genre?
Thank you so much! Honestly, I was looking for something other than my full time job to get into (I’m a music producer/recording engineer full time). I picked up a camera and the rest is history haha.
I kept trying to read the sign but my old eyes wouldn't do the last 2 lines. Love having options, plus something to save for.
Haha the irony of that statement is so awesome lol. Thanks for watching Jody!
If you can
read this
I need more
Bokeh
Hey man , loved comparison. Please test K&F CPL and ND too. 🙏🏻
I’ll keep it in mind!
@@dunnadidit Thanks. A budget filters guide would be great as not everyone have that kinda money for filters or even lenses worth these pricey filters. 🙏🏻❤️
In conclusion if you want the best image use a separate diffusion filter and separate vnd since it give you more control over your haze effect and Exposure levels
Would u help me on that? I wanna use the moment cinebloom diffusion with a farewell vnd. How does that work? 🥲 (or who should i watch for this)
The Dunna Filter ... now that is worth waiting for :-)
Can you make a video of reviewing the new sigma 28-70mm 2.8? I do realy like your reviews more then others.
It’s coming!!
To my eye, I feel like the Polar Pro is the clear choice (no pun intended). I just wish it wasn't so dang expensive.
I hear you.
So what was so complicated to choose earlier in the video?
So the PP's use more of a glimmer glass than pro mist look. Very good review, broski!
It definitely is a bit of a different look from the pro mist stuff.
what lens was this test done on
Sony 16-35 G Master
thank you very much
Have you done a review, on the sigma 35mm 1.4 art?? Im in the market for one and want a pro opinion😅
Thanks for this Great comparisson.... Think it will be the polar pro for me 😀
Thanks a ton!
Your previous video had me sold on free well. This video has me completely sold on polar pro.
Haha that’s pretty much the conclusions I came to as well for the two different types of filter.
@@dunnadidit I really liked the price of the VND from freewell plus their performance was so close to polarpro. It was a nobrainer. But the case and putting on the filter on a lens makes up for the price. I’d rather have a clean filter that’s easier to put on and put away.
This might be a dumb question but here goes.
So the new polar pro Peter M filters make the images softer rather than keeping the sharpness?
I have his first one which is the 2-5 stop one and I mainly got it for long expos during the day, such as waterfalls, etc.
I recently dropped it and may or may not need to replace it. I don’t want my images to be soft, so that being said should I avoid the new polar pro Peter M filters?
I honestly don’t get why anyone Would want soft images over sharpness.
Style I guess?
Hi there hi there!
Not a dumb question at all. Though it’s a bit complicated. They do a good job not to lose any image quality necessarily but it does give a bit of softening in certain situations by adding halation around bright light sources. It’s more of a “haze” than anything.
And yes you nailed it... style. It looks a bit more “filmic” if your image isn’t ridiculously sharp because digital formats and modern lenses are getting sharper and sharper all the time.
All that being said. The petermckinnon version 2 filters come in a mist version as well as a non mist version. So if you wanted the great quality of the PMVND, the new features like the case and such, but not the soft mist effect... they’ve got those! I think I may have even left a link in the description.
By and large, I’m not a fan of the diffusion effect to begin with so these aren’t aimed at me but to my eyes... I liked the more controlled look of the PP (giggity) in the studio test shots, but strangely enough I liked the FW better for the desk shots. Made it look like flaring from the sun just out of frame which I love when used right.
If any of that made sense lol
Haha I totally get that you’re saying! It’s definitely not for all the time and sometimes you might want a lot of it, but other times you might just want a little.
am I crazy or does it look like the PP literally has almost no diffusion happening when compared to the freewell. glad I didnt drop 800 bucks to get that effect.
Yeah because paying $800 for something that's $450 when you buy both filters together would be crazy.
PolarPro brings up the black really well, but its weak on halation.
Just to put this issue to rest: Some hairspray to the sensor should alleviate all the hairy filter stacking issues.
I feel like that introduces a entirely different problem but sure.
I got a samyang 18mm 2.8, in the market for a first time filter but unsure of what I’m looking for.
Check out the new freewell system. ua-cam.com/video/EKIDYrcwADg/v-deo.html
Had a really bad time with Freewell. 2-5 operated in reverse, so 2 was the darkest and 5 was the brightest. Didn’t notice until past the return window, and Freewell support said they’ve “never heard of this before” and to mail it to their factory in China for further review. Fun times.
Sounds like you had the filter on backwards..
😂
Doh! Shoulda thought of that! 🙄
I have the 82mm Polar pro regular 2-5 VND. I use that on my sigma 24-70 lens (however I’m contemplating on getting the mist as well now). But I’m really looking for a decent ND filter for my iPhone 13 pro max and future 67mm lenses I get but I’m sorry I’m not about to pay $249 for 1 filter for my phone 📱. Looks like
Freewell it is!
Strongly suggest going with the Schneider True-Match Vari-ND MKII Variable Neutral Density Filter (82mm)
Nice.
I've heard of an issue with windshields when it comes to the polarpro. From what I saw it turns certain types of glass yellow, supposedly the same issue with the polar pro basecamp
Windshields?
Oooooooohhhh I see what you mean, like shooting through a windshield? There will be a certain amount of polarization happening with any polarized glass like that since VND’s use polarizers to work. Shooting screens of your electronic devices may also be an issue.
I am confident that a coffee brewing/drinking stream would go over reasonably well
Haha you want me to livestream making coffee? That kinda sounds awesome... for me
Have you tried the Moment filters on your camera lenses yet?
If you’re referring to the VND’s... I have! Check out my other video comparing them to the freewell and PolarPro. ua-cam.com/video/6x8UFTlxbOc/v-deo.html
@@dunnadidit cool thanks! I will check out that video.
Dunna, Great comparison. Completely agree with you. To many inconsistency and swing issues with the Freewell. In my world, less post work the better. Save up and get the better product, many times it comes down to (said at the risk of offending others) garbage in - garbage out. The one or two times you may be trying to capture the Freewell look as an artistic perspective, simply is not worth the trade off of the many positives the PolarPro filters offer. As you said, Freewell offers some very good uses to be considered. Ultimately we are all our own creators, what works for one may not be good for the other. Again, great review which gives the viewer a concrete and fair perspective. Thank you. PS I prefer solid ND filters.
What are the odds that I broke my nd filters this past weekend and you make this video now! Haha
Haha I promise I’m not doing any voodoo on you!
I was thinking the same thing
I’m thinking it might be better to get a separate mist filter. I can’t really use the ND filter in low light / indoors.
Agreed. I ordered a 1/8 to put behind my VND. Don't know why you would want mist baked in to that
@@ManleyReviews using two filters can cause odd reflections and lens flare between the two pieces of glass. It can also cause more vignetting since you are stacking filters.
@twalker294 nailed it. Stacking filters can cause some unwanted effects. That said... so do VND's in general so its all about tradeoffs and convenience.
@@twalker294 Don't these actually stack?
You can use the variable Nd mist filter being set to no nd at all to get the mist only
This was a great comparison. I'm typically not much of a mist filter fan, but for my eyes that Polar Pro clearly stood out, which makes my wallet very, very sad.
Thanks so much! I totally hear you haha.
great quality vid!!! subscribeD!!!
Hi sir what would you recommend for me im into photography/video automotive which filter is the best?
You may want to look into CPL filters for cutting the glare on your cars
@@dunnadidit thanks for the reply and lastly do you think the peter mckinnon singature 2 also cut the glare ?
I absolutely LOVE my Freewell system.
The magnetic system or the VND’s?
@@dunnadidit magnetic system. Just the normal pnd’s.
Thanks for this awesome comparison Dunna! One suggestion I would make is taking a silver sharpie and labeling the freewell cases so you don't have to check every time you need one.
Or label maker
Oh you best believe I got that label maker on LOCK!
this^^ I use the same method on a set of vintage lenses with step up rings and matching lens caps, saves so much time
oh man, I watched this video hoping you were going to tell me that the Freewell filter would be the way to go only to realize that you and I both knew the whole time the PolarPro was the way to go!
Haha have you seen my previous VND comparison... you might get more of what you want lol.
@@dunnadidit I'll have to check it out! Thanks!
What about JJC vs Peter McKinnon Filters?
Beware of the Freewell ND - I bought a set in the 82mm size, and they were wonderful. I bought them because of the neat stops (Haptic Feedback) when you get to the various ND settings as well as the hard stop at the end. The "haptic feedback" along with the excellent color and build quality were what made me decide to buy a second set in 67mm.
BEWARE.
You will NOT get the "haptic feedback" in the 67mm size which was one of the selling points of these ND filters. I reached out to Freewell's customer service as to why, and here is what they said - "Thanks for your message. They are exactly as it says on the box HARD STOP. Hard stop means that it should not go beyond 5 & 9 stops thats precisely what it does. What you are referring to is HAPTIC FEEDBACK which we have recently added in some of the products to see the feedback; it has not been applied to all the sizes & all the filters, nor are we claiming on the product."
So a major selling point for these filters turns out to be a GAMBLE as to which ones have the "haptic feedback" or not. One star for misleading/omission of a critical feature of these ND filters.
I'm one of those weird people who actually prefers to keep diffusion and ND on separate filters, mostly because I don't always want diffusion in my shot. Currently I have the Tiffen variable ND and the 1/4 Black Pro Mist. That being said, if I ever change my mind about that, I'll be going with the Polar Pro I think.
I don’t think that’s strange actually. I have both systems. There’s pros and cons of course, more stacked pieces of glass can also cause issues but allows for more control. The VND version has convenience but more classic VND issues lol.
Good video
Love the sign! Very Spaceballsy... 😂👍
Haha ;)
Surely you don't want the mist and nd combined because depending on the job you lose mist when you don't need nd or get stuck with mist if you just need exposure change. Surely staking filters is a must?
Which regular nd filter is better? Freewell or Polarpro
Thanks, your links to the Peter filter on amazon don't work. And the Freewell is only slightly cheaper which makes the Peter one a more secure buy I would imagine.. I prefer adding pro mist filter when it is necessary and not permanently on my VND filter.. But what ever suits your needs..
Hey! I just checked the link and it’s working okay on my end... though amazon Canada doesn’t seem to have any of the mist ones and b&h might be in the same spot right now. What are you seeing on your end!
I agree with you for sure about wanting to have that control. I think that’s why I prefer the PP version... it’s a lot more subtle so I don’t mind using it a bit more freely.