Falchion or Messer? - Definition and Differences

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  • @Rjinsi667
    @Rjinsi667 5 років тому +184

    You get a thumbs up for getting right and explaining the german grammar on the example of: "ein langes Messer" and "das lange Messer"

    • @Felixr2
      @Felixr2 5 років тому +7

      And pronouncing it all without much of an accent, to boot!

    • @GaladorLP
      @GaladorLP 5 років тому +4

      Eingentlich ist beides was du geschrieben hast ein normales messer welches länger ist.
      Bei dieser Waffe muss Lange oder Langes ebenfalls groß geschrieben werden. Geben tut es das mit s oder ohne.
      Auch gibts das als ein Wort, Langmesser was aber auch eine waffe der Indianer bezeichnet.

    • @alexanderbertisch6328
      @alexanderbertisch6328 3 роки тому +1

      I think he used to live in München
      Bin Schweizer übrigens

  • @bretterry8356
    @bretterry8356 5 років тому +461

    They've got curved swords. Curved. SWORDS!
    Yes, but was it a scimitar, a saber, a flachion, a messer, a cutlass, a machete, or something else?

    • @neilswientek624
      @neilswientek624 5 років тому +27

      A shamshir.

    • @Lo-tf6qt
      @Lo-tf6qt 5 років тому +39

      Whiterun guard : *sweats profusely*
      Have I told you about my knee?

    • @FirstDagger
      @FirstDagger 5 років тому +5

      Only the Lefthanded Elves will ever know.

    • @kovi567
      @kovi567 5 років тому +12

      @P Ciprian Aaaam, no. A scimitar is different weapon from the saber, mostly because the handle and pommel shape (early sabres had small cross-like guards, small ball-like pommels, and maybe curved handles, while later variants had knuckleguards, and the blade was a bit more straight).
      Scimitars are actually a group of swords, encompassing shamsirs, kilijs, pulwars, tulwars, shotels, kirpans, and nimchas. They differ quite much, but the assimmetric pommel(minus the shotel), and heavily curved blades seems semi-common. Only the kilij seems to have false edges, while sabres of the medieval ages usually had them.
      Cutlasses seems to have either no or very small pommels, knuckle guards that usually merge with the pin of the tang, S like guards, and sometimes baskethilts, seemingly the halved versions. They may also have completely straight variants.
      A katana is a fuckin' katana. You may call it a japanese bastard sword, but it's not a cutlass. It doesn't have a knuckle guard, the crossguard is small and oval shaped, the handle is straight (denying ergonomy btw), and they all seem to have that weird cross-like pattern grip coverage. Their construction is also very different, as cutlasses were used from the reinesance periods, when metalurgy had a boom, while japan was still using medieval and worse smithing techniques even in the modern ages.
      A machete doesn't have a crossguard, the blade is top heavy, and never has a false edge. They also don't have a pommel, as the handle covers the tang, and it's can be riveted as well.
      Messers can, and usually have curved blades, the differences are named in the video, so is the falchion's. Watch it. The two swords he shown were messers btw, he even told you.
      Lastly, it seems to me that you think swords are designated simply from their blades, which is wrong. Swords are made up of a blade, a crossguard, a handle, and a pommel, which all are reference ponts when designating them.

    • @patrickbrett66
      @patrickbrett66 5 років тому +2

      @P Ciprian Skal did specify in the video that he currently doesn't own a Falchion so what he held was just for demonstration only ;)

  • @DonaldFromKingdomHearts
    @DonaldFromKingdomHearts 5 років тому +470

    Mick: That's not a knoif. THAT'S a knoif!
    Germans: Hold mein beer.

    • @prismaticc_abyss
      @prismaticc_abyss 5 років тому +90

      halt mein bier

    • @nicolaiveliki1409
      @nicolaiveliki1409 5 років тому +21

      @@prismaticc_abyss also bei uns in Franggn könnd mer scho soung "Hold mei Bia"

    • @windwalker5765
      @windwalker5765 5 років тому +20

      He ordered "three beers." Germans order "sree Biers."

    • @larsruhle5385
      @larsruhle5385 5 років тому +1

      Einmal drei Bier bitte ;)

    • @GaladorLP
      @GaladorLP 5 років тому +3

      Lars Rühle Oa Maß, bitt‘schön

  • @jeffk3570
    @jeffk3570 5 років тому +266

    I just can't get over how good the Albion Knecht looks, such a cool looking sword

    • @postacorona6746
      @postacorona6746 5 років тому +11

      Jeff K same way with the town guard side sword man

    • @prismaticc_abyss
      @prismaticc_abyss 5 років тому +4

      except that it doesnt have a pommel

    • @postacorona6746
      @postacorona6746 5 років тому +3

      Richard Graf true, you can’t end thine opponent rightly

  • @CJ_F0x
    @CJ_F0x 5 років тому +366

    Falchion or messer. 'Not a legal loophole for owning a sword, but for making a sword. '

    • @Nerobyrne
      @Nerobyrne 5 років тому +40

      indeed, if it wasn't for the German guild system, we probably wouldn't have the Messer as a weapon.

    • @StormBringare
      @StormBringare 5 років тому +46

      So it was basically knifemakers that wanted to grab some of the sword market?

    • @CJ_F0x
      @CJ_F0x 5 років тому +30

      @@StormBringare At least when it came down to single edged swords. Plus there was the whole thing about blade length. The swordsmiths tended to stick with certain lengths, whereas the knifemakers could basically do what they wanted seeming as at first, legally, the only difference between a sword and a knife was the shape of the handle.

    • @Ranstone
      @Ranstone 5 років тому +12

      Whenever I see someone who knows this nuanced fact, it just makes my day.

    • @Gobl1n
      @Gobl1n 5 років тому +3

      @@StormBringare exactly that

  • @PobortzaPl
    @PobortzaPl 5 років тому +117

    Shadiversity made a series about falchion and messer. Difference is mostly in grip, falchion has sword grip (because it was made and sold by swordmaker), messer has riveted knife grip (since it was made and sold by knifemaker).

    • @CJ_F0x
      @CJ_F0x 5 років тому +19

      Don't forget about our good friend James G. Elmslie

    • @ambrosewetherbee8301
      @ambrosewetherbee8301 5 років тому +17

      And let's not forget the fact that the periods of regular use also dictated the general blade dimensions(not just thickness but also presence or absence of distal taper) of falchions and messers, as well as prominence of the implementation of a point/tip on the blade.
      It's a shame that some sword types don't get as much attention from a scholarly view. As far as I know only James Elmslie has given the falchion and messer sword types any thorough study. I suppose that's mainly why there is so much confusion as to what falchions and messers were/are.

    • @Skallagrim
      @Skallagrim  5 років тому +41

      Yeah, that's what I pointed out.

    • @ambrosewetherbee8301
      @ambrosewetherbee8301 5 років тому +2

      @@Skallagrim True!

    • @PobortzaPl
      @PobortzaPl 5 років тому +3

      @@Skallagrim omg! OMG! I was noticed by great Skall!

  • @strangerakari2836
    @strangerakari2836 5 років тому +147

    Obviously, you can spam r1 with falchion.

    • @purplehaze2358
      @purplehaze2358 5 років тому +9

      Press "F" to pay respects
      For both this meme and the meme in the comment i am replying to.

    • @salvale9184
      @salvale9184 5 років тому +3

      That’s literally my ds1 build

    • @ShrympyRS
      @ShrympyRS 5 років тому +3

      Moonlightblade + falchion + elite knight set + darkwood grain ring.
      I forgot who popularized that build but boy was it cancer to fight against

    • @salvale9184
      @salvale9184 5 років тому

      @@ShrympyRS *sweats nervously*

    • @Ropewatch
      @Ropewatch 5 років тому

      You mean cmw + falchion + fast roll + sexy elite knight set? I fucking loved that shit!

  • @mbnhiphopmusik6429
    @mbnhiphopmusik6429 5 років тому +33

    Honestly, I find the Kriegsmesser to be an incredebly gorgous weapon somehow... It just kinda looks elegant for a sword that size I think.
    Anyone else?

    • @limdoo-yr.8748
      @limdoo-yr.8748 11 місяців тому

      It is--

    • @DD_Dietriech
      @DD_Dietriech 7 місяців тому

      I main hand one when not using spears or polearms. I adore them and find they working incredibly well when switching between Longsword, saber, and messer techniques. Guaranteed to throw your opponent for a loop.

  • @Cologne.1948
    @Cologne.1948 5 років тому +28

    For some reason it makes me happy to hear you speaking German.
    Greetings from Germany ^^

    • @seretith3513
      @seretith3513 5 років тому

      Danke, Ebenso
      (Thanks, same to you)

    • @seretith3513
      @seretith3513 5 років тому

      XD
      Nein, jetzt erst richtig gelesen, LMAO

  • @kairussell7372
    @kairussell7372 5 років тому +127

    Im Not being " a hater " in the slightest
    But this is the skal video I've be waiting for. I feel like its been forever since we got just a regular video. Personally, I'm not a fan of the live streams or the let's play etc. If you're doing them, some people must like them, but itd be cool if we could still get like 1 or 2 videos like this per month. I've see a whole bunch of skallagrim notifications but they're were always live streams, vr let's plays, etc. These are the type of videos that won me over, and it just feels like its been forever since we got one thats all.

    • @snoweefrost4412
      @snoweefrost4412 5 років тому +8

      He needs to do what makes money. Like he said a long time ago his HEMA videos don't always bring in money.

    • @fabiovarra3698
      @fabiovarra3698 5 років тому +11

      in this last month, with cristmast and all, he put on 14 video, of this 2 are vr let's play and 4 from lives
      all the other 8 video are his classic video:
      swords tests
      sword review
      hema
      historic autencity in videogame

    • @Skallagrim
      @Skallagrim  5 років тому +18

      Last month I put up the video on partial sharpening of sword blades, the Darksword Armory testing and review, the video about the high end messer, historical accuracy in Assassin's Creed Odyssey, and the ones about strength in sword fighting, longsword techniques, and leather / bone armor. Sounds like you might have missed a lot?

    • @kairussell7372
      @kairussell7372 5 років тому +3

      @@Skallagrim I watched some of them. This is the just first video in a long time that had that spark though, thats all I'm saying. Armor, video games accuracy, I skip those videos personally.
      Must have been a soft spot because your cronies came to bat lol.

    • @shawnwolf5961
      @shawnwolf5961 5 років тому +3

      I personally love his live streams. I try to make it to every one, but there's been a few I've had to miss. As for "his cronies coming to bat," I'll skip the mild offensive nature of that comment and just say that his scrutiny of fantasy weapons and video game weapons are extremely popular. He himself has said he's not sure why that is, but they are. And his actual HEMA type videos, though widely requested, get much fewer views. (I wish they didn't because I love those too, and his sparring videos).
      Then again, I am a fan of Skallagrim and have been for a long time so, anything he puts out, I will watch.

  • @spencerjordan305
    @spencerjordan305 5 років тому +335

    Sword nerds are the best kind of nerds

    • @CJ_F0x
      @CJ_F0x 5 років тому +22

      And do you know why? Because swords are awesome, full stop.

    • @HenshinFanatic
      @HenshinFanatic 5 років тому +6

      As much as I like swords, I generally prefer chain weapons like flails with polearms in a close second.

    • @EL_DORADO-db4gl
      @EL_DORADO-db4gl 5 років тому +22

      Hahaha sword nerds unite, except those nerds that overworship anime & katanas.

    • @EL_DORADO-db4gl
      @EL_DORADO-db4gl 5 років тому +6

      @@CJ_F0x swords!!!

    • @CJ_F0x
      @CJ_F0x 5 років тому +6

      @@EL_DORADO-db4gl SWOOOOOOOOORDSSSZZZ

  • @shellum
    @shellum 5 років тому +12

    How does this have dislikes? It's informative and entertaining. I love this channel.

    • @Skallagrim
      @Skallagrim  5 років тому +13

      Every video in existence with more than 1000 views has dislikes. Doesn't matter if you save kittens or work on curing cancer, somebody is going to dislike it.

    • @shellum
      @shellum 5 років тому +8

      @@Skallagrim It's stupid and shows how childish mankind really is. I don't know, maybe i'm looking too far into it.

  • @vinland5558
    @vinland5558 5 років тому +152

    I mean the Falchion in fire embelm is not *a* Falchion, it is a named weapon.
    Why it's called that, who the hell knows, but it's not like there's 10 of them kicking around in a game.

    • @boartank
      @boartank 5 років тому +18

      I guess you haven't tried using cheats. I make sure to arm Eirika with at least 2 Falchions everytime.

    • @FerunaLutelou
      @FerunaLutelou 5 років тому +18

      I remember that in one of the games there were 2 Falchions, cause time travel. Still the same sword.

    • @HenshinFanatic
      @HenshinFanatic 5 років тому +24

      Actually two different named weapons. The Falchion belonging to Chrom is the same one that once belonged to the hero - king Marth while the Parallel Falchion is a separate sword that has time travel powers. Notably when the Falchion is empowered by the titular Fire Emblem it becomes the Exalted Falchion, a more powerful form that has different properties than the Falchion. Now why Nintendo and Intelligent Systems decided to name what appear to be arming swords after a different style of sword is beyond me.

    • @ChrissieBear
      @ChrissieBear 5 років тому +13

      I am immediately reminded of Caliburn/Caladbolg. Both were the names of mythical swords, but are also believed to have been generic words for "sword".

    • @Nerobyrne
      @Nerobyrne 5 років тому +15

      that's the weirdest part.
      It's a sword NAMED Falchion.
      I guess it's like how Geralt's horse is named Roach.
      But in that case it would be more like if it's named Donkey. Frankly it's just confusing and I also have no idea why they did this.

  • @marimariowo3317
    @marimariowo3317 5 років тому +193

    Isn't Falchion the actual name of the sword and not the type of sword though?

    • @Sabshark
      @Sabshark 5 років тому +48

      You are correct

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 5 років тому +54

      yes, thats why the F is capitalized.

    • @alphaxtitania5597
      @alphaxtitania5597 5 років тому +79

      Yes, but it having that name gives wrong implications. Whether the developers actually THINK that's what a falchion looks like or not, the fact that Skall felt the need to clarify it means that more than a few people DO think it's an actual falchion.

    • @ChrissieBear
      @ChrissieBear 5 років тому +30

      @@alphaxtitania5597 This has historical precedent, though, several mythical swords have names which are words used to describe a sword, such as Caliburn, Caladbolg, and Lævateinn.

    • @JakenTheGreat
      @JakenTheGreat 5 років тому +34

      @@alphaxtitania5597 I feel as though the majority of people will look at falchion in Fire Emblem and know right away that that's not a real sword

  • @danteangel
    @danteangel 5 років тому +3

    Shad did a great video series on the modern classification and distinction of the Messer and Falchion which Skallagrim did a good job of summarizing. Great content as always Skallagrim

  • @kemvaros5031
    @kemvaros5031 5 років тому +47

    It it cuts, Grog use.

  • @cegorach3135
    @cegorach3135 5 років тому +24

    Falchion is better because they have pommels that are bigger to be thrown

    • @antonf.9278
      @antonf.9278 5 років тому +1

      You are comparing knives with swords

  • @Psiberzerker
    @Psiberzerker 5 років тому +12

    Also Hanger. I mostly call mine a hanger, basically the same concept. "Swords are being misnamed." Well, actually, most of them are just called "Swords." Even Katana is just Japanese for Sword. Arming swords, Longswords, broadswords, bastard swords... Most of them were just called a "Sword." if you want to get technical.

    • @Psiberzerker
      @Psiberzerker 5 років тому

      0:38 "This thing." I'd call that a yataghan.

    • @mancubwwa
      @mancubwwa 5 років тому

      @@Psiberzerker well some were called sabers. Usually curved ones as oposed to straight ones were both were in use...

    • @Psiberzerker
      @Psiberzerker 5 років тому

      @@mancubwwa Yes, and Most of them were called Swords. A saber is a class of Sword. You can get more specific, but when you get to "That's not a Fachion, it's a Messer" you're splitting hairs. You know what sei Germans called Dussaks when they got to Czecheslovakia? "Messers." A Shamshir, Talwar, Dhao, Cutlass, Hanger, or Katana could all be called Sabers, so could they be called Swords. In fact, if you look up Hanger on Wikipedia, you'll be re-directed to Cutlass.

    • @Chaotic-warp
      @Chaotic-warp 2 роки тому

      @@Psiberzerker Schwert, Säbel

  • @lamiasfaust6867
    @lamiasfaust6867 5 років тому +2

    Id love a commonly confused classification series, this was super helpful and knowing more about say a saber vs a cutlass or a cutlass vs a scimitar would be awesome too

  • @jowaru5545
    @jowaru5545 5 років тому

    Really awesome, that you checked the german grammar and pronunciation. Most people do not do that. That shows again how much effort you put in your videos.

  • @mythguard6865
    @mythguard6865 5 років тому +15

    The yatamessaber has returned!

  • @alfatazer_8991
    @alfatazer_8991 5 років тому +18

    What I want to know is...
    Where did you get that dope-ass shirt?!

  • @TwentythreePER
    @TwentythreePER 5 років тому +2

    I really like how the messer, especially your example, looks. I don't know what it is about Germanic blades but they had a unique style and look that I appreciate. Thanks for the video.

  • @r.matthews594
    @r.matthews594 5 років тому

    This was a fantastic video. I'm a bit late because the semester began, but it was worth the wait. Just excellent.

  • @ShikiRen
    @ShikiRen 5 років тому +50

    Pretty well pronounced German there for the most part :D

    • @AAAAAAAA-vd6zv
      @AAAAAAAA-vd6zv 5 років тому +2

      He’s scandinavian. As much as I know those languages are rather simillar.

    • @ArsinoMeteor
      @ArsinoMeteor 5 років тому +1

      @@AAAAAAAA-vd6zv they are indeed. I knew norwegians who learned and spoke german without any accent

    • @LurkerDaBerzerker
      @LurkerDaBerzerker 5 років тому +1

      Skall is German, though I believe he said something about his German being rusty due to not using it much.
      (And he also apparently doesn't like his German side/heritage, for whatever reason.
      Oh well, I guess that just means more gothic plate for me.)

    • @ArsinoMeteor
      @ArsinoMeteor 5 років тому +7

      @@LurkerDaBerzerker He is definitely not german. His german is not rusty, he has an accent. A scandinavian one. After researching he is norwegian or sweden and worked in germany for a while where his german is from.

    • @LurkerDaBerzerker
      @LurkerDaBerzerker 5 років тому

      Arsino Meteor Then I don't get why he says he doesn't identify with his heritage, if he is identifying with his heritage?
      (Scandinavian/Norwegian)
      (I would like to ask where you got this info from, considering he has said himself he was born in Germany during a livestream?)

  • @RagPlaysGames
    @RagPlaysGames 5 років тому +19

    One's pinned, ones riveted. One has a pommel, one doesn't.

    • @veliest1886
      @veliest1886 5 років тому +4

      of course, we all know which one is more useful.
      (on the sidenote messers look usable aswell)

    • @Tobias-pu2rc
      @Tobias-pu2rc 5 років тому +1

      And the third is made out of a Devine Dragons fang

  • @jonathan.calabrese
    @jonathan.calabrese 5 років тому

    I have to say your vids are very well done and extremely enjoyable, keep it up.

  • @BladeFitAcademy
    @BladeFitAcademy 5 років тому

    Skall, your bumper music. It always makes me feel I've just found a treasure map and I'm gearing up for some epic quest.

  • @Pouraud
    @Pouraud 5 років тому +23

    Yeah, like the others are saying, Falchion is the name of Naga's tooth. The type of sword is never mentioned, though it is likely a longsword due to it's two-handed grip and near one-handed blade.

  • @MannyBrum
    @MannyBrum 5 років тому +3

    I think it's important to note that the falchion (and glaive as well) have the archaic definition of simply meaning sword, though the usage has changed. I think in fantasy lore which draws inspiration from older writings the term falchion might be used interchangeably with sword. Fantasy is kind of unique in that a lot of words get used with their archaic definitions quite commonly.

  • @tubekulose
    @tubekulose 5 років тому

    Both, your knowledge about the German grammar and your pronunciation amaze me every time! Well done!

  • @marcusfridh8489
    @marcusfridh8489 5 років тому +1

    Matt easton said in one of his videos, that the biggest diffrence between falcoins and messers are that falcions has more of a common swordsmithingprocess with a normal swordshilt, while the messer is often smithed as a knife, with most of them fulltanghilts

  • @LukiParkour
    @LukiParkour 5 років тому +21

    Knappe, man bringe mir das lange Messer! Schneller! Oder wollt ihr dass ich einen Knauf nach euch werfe?! - German Skal

    • @daanwilmer
      @daanwilmer 5 років тому +5

      Die Knaufwurf: die tötlichste Waffe des Mittelalters und der Renaissance.

  • @jeremyknop5378
    @jeremyknop5378 5 років тому +3

    I've always just looked at the grip and pommel to tell the difference. Messers in my experience always have a knife grip and pommel construction where as falchions have sword hilt construction. I was always led to believe that Messers came about by the knife makers guild who used a loophole in the manufacturing laws for sword making by making swords with knife hilt construction to then sell them as "knives" at lower prices then swords to undercut the competition (sword makers guild).

  • @KillingMeat
    @KillingMeat 5 років тому

    Your videos always make my day, thanks Skall ^^

  • @Shatteredlightunderfadingstars
    @Shatteredlightunderfadingstars 5 років тому

    Thanks Skal. I've been trying to explain this very subject for years.

  • @bar0nger
    @bar0nger 5 років тому +147

    But what about a Falchion that thinks it's trapped in a Messer's body

    • @zakd2124
      @zakd2124 5 років тому +59

      "my halberd identifies as a longsword so you have to allow me to use it in HEMA"

    • @fitzyakamcsyke
      @fitzyakamcsyke 5 років тому +16

      I used to be a Falchion, now I'm a Messer.
      More people pander to me now.

    • @nickburton9366
      @nickburton9366 5 років тому +7

      Or in fairness you could use this as an example of why strict yes or no definitions don't work in history or biology, cuz historically sword making didn't have a trading standards body and neither does mother nature

    • @Yehnsei
      @Yehnsei 5 років тому +19

      Did you just assume that sword's classification?

    • @VikingBadass94
      @VikingBadass94 5 років тому +1

      Oh...you went _there._
      *slow clap*
      Oh you cheeky devil

  • @Dave-so7fy
    @Dave-so7fy 5 років тому +18

    I have your sword mod in Skyrim!

  • @hammatron8403
    @hammatron8403 3 роки тому

    my only proper reference for falchion before this video was critical role, and I always assumed the main part was the clip end and curved blade, this is really interesting, love your work

  • @Marty-im8qb
    @Marty-im8qb 2 роки тому

    I think it is the most helpfull to see the Messer as a literall long version of a Mushroom knife. Many people (especially older ones) have these kind of small knifes. More modern ones are foldable but the older ones look basically exactly like a messer just smaller and without the guard.

  • @vast634
    @vast634 5 років тому +3

    A dull practice sword is called "Buttermesser"

  • @KanaiIle
    @KanaiIle 5 років тому +3

    Hmn. Shad made some very lenghty videos on this topic, and the baseline there was "Messer and Falchion are the same swords, just with different handle constructions".

  • @sullyb23511
    @sullyb23511 3 роки тому

    Shadversity's falchion and messer video series really opened my eyes on this subject.

  • @Coffeepotion
    @Coffeepotion 5 років тому

    Hearing you pronounce german words warms my heart :) It's almost flawless!

  • @connorforce01
    @connorforce01 5 років тому +6

    Basically:
    Falchion = Sword hilt
    Messer = Knife hilt
    Blade shape and size is irrelevant since both can have either.

    • @lalli8152
      @lalli8152 Рік тому

      I personally think its bit more complex over all. Would you call for example knife or dagger with no riveted handle with scales, but peened construction sword suddenly just because of the handle? I think basicly criteria Skall listed applies to historical specific germanic sword we call messer, but its confusing since it just means "knife" but its not really that more confusing how in china word dao means both knife, and sword sized objects. But we sort of need list of criteria today classifying the messers i doubt people back then cared that much like german guy who ends up with english falchion likely would call it just messer or sword some english falchions even have the nagel. But i would personally say both falchions, and messers are type of sword

  • @FirebladeXXL
    @FirebladeXXL 5 років тому +24

    your german is not bad my dude!

    • @acediadekay3793
      @acediadekay3793 5 років тому +7

      he is half german, half norwegian but he lives in Canada now, If I remember correctly.

    • @FirebladeXXL
      @FirebladeXXL 5 років тому +2

      @@acediadekay3793 from what i gathered over the years, he is born in norway and moved to canada. because of his accent i originally thought hes from germany but i think he actually never lived there.

    • @ArsinoMeteor
      @ArsinoMeteor 5 років тому +1

      @@FirebladeXXL he is definitely not german native. You can hear a scandinavian accent when he speaks german

    • @FirebladeXXL
      @FirebladeXXL 5 років тому

      @@ArsinoMeteor i mean his english accent.

    • @ArsinoMeteor
      @ArsinoMeteor 5 років тому

      @@FirebladeXXL Yeah I know, but this accent is more like a germanIC accent, like languages like german, norwegian and so on

  • @ryanhingston575
    @ryanhingston575 7 місяців тому

    skall has been fighting his demons so hard lately he bust two knuckles god daymnnn,awesome video keep it up

  • @erikvarela2045
    @erikvarela2045 Рік тому +1

    Great rundown, and bonus points for the German grammar lesson!

  • @BenSenf
    @BenSenf 5 років тому +3

    Did you ever heard of the Emslie Typology? James Elmslie has an interesting take on the matter.

  • @nthesinningfish1938
    @nthesinningfish1938 5 років тому +3

    shad's five part mini-series on the difference between the two

  • @TheTaleForge
    @TheTaleForge 5 років тому

    Going by Wikipedia, the biggest difference is in the hilt; a messer is technically a knife, and the hilt construction often reflects that. I have also heard it tossed around (with no confirmation) that this construction and terminology may be a way of manipulating sword bans in the interest of keeping a blade for self defense.

  • @jasondearborn2349
    @jasondearborn2349 5 років тому +1

    More of this kinda stuff skal! Also made me wonder about covering messer and buckler if it was a thing

    • @vote4wes
      @vote4wes Рік тому

      Definitely a thing 😁

  • @nickodriver
    @nickodriver 5 років тому +6

    How about the Dark Souls falchion? 10/10, would dual-wield again?

    • @LorisTheUntethered
      @LorisTheUntethered 5 років тому +3

      Dual-wield? Pffft, stick Darkmoon Blade on and 2-hand that bish.

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 5 років тому +3

    The messer
    AKA
    The dank shank.

  • @DrIngo1980
    @DrIngo1980 5 років тому

    Very good pronunciation of all the German terms. And great explanation of the German grammar thing. Overall very interesting video. Vielen Dank!

  • @nicholaswhitman4620
    @nicholaswhitman4620 5 років тому

    Kriegsmesser is one of my favorites youve got on here. Love hearing about it and seeing it

  • @bizarreworld2510
    @bizarreworld2510 5 років тому +3

    Skall you missed an opportunity to collaborate with Shad on this Falchion topic

    • @Skallagrim
      @Skallagrim  5 років тому +2

      Did he cover it too? I don't have the time to keep up to date with what everyone else is doing, so no idea.

    • @shadiversity
      @shadiversity 5 років тому +4

      ​@@Skallagrim Yep, I'd definitely suggest part three of the series as the previous parts covers more commonly known stuff.

    • @Leubast
      @Leubast 5 років тому

      I actually thought this was a @Shadiversity video when I first saw it in my feed.

  • @Helsvga
    @Helsvga 5 років тому +14

    Kriegmesser ftw.

  • @EzioTheDemonicOne
    @EzioTheDemonicOne 5 років тому

    Thank you for clearing up the fire emblem situation. I have lost count of how many times I've had to explain that one

  • @DudokX
    @DudokX 5 років тому

    I really like how your big messer looks. Pretty cool sword!

  • @JustinY.
    @JustinY. 5 років тому +188

    If you aren't certain about the, just use both!

  • @notmynameanymore941
    @notmynameanymore941 5 років тому +3

    I just got done watching 'Alec steele' finish/making a 'Falchion' and was like "gotta consult ' *ende* of all men RIGHTLY*

  • @BeachTypeZaku
    @BeachTypeZaku 13 днів тому

    The Italian Storta at 1:37 looks like it was designed in the art deco period. Italian styling really is something.❤

  • @greyriddance64
    @greyriddance64 5 років тому

    Thanks for clearing this one out.
    It was pretty messered up before your explanation.

  • @ct7567CaptRex
    @ct7567CaptRex 5 років тому +3

    Shad has a good series about this topic. Id advise to watch it.

  • @venturapaco11
    @venturapaco11 5 років тому +4

    Skall, shadiversity already made a video on this and even brought out a classification system for single egged medieval swords, I think you should check it out. In the end the only true difference is in the handle and pommel

  • @B1GSL1M
    @B1GSL1M 5 років тому

    Im sure there is a vid somewhere from a person who is considered an expert in Falchion/Messers who said that there have been examples found of the same type of blade being used on both swords, but as you clearly say the only determinable difference between the two is the handle and crossguard and thats what determines whether it is a Falchion or Maesser

  • @conqvistguides7313
    @conqvistguides7313 5 років тому

    If a messer's nail is pointing up instead of down, is that more preferable? I would assume catching is better than deflecting, but I would like to know. If they dont make them that way would that be an upgrade hypothetically?

  • @connorkenyon
    @connorkenyon 5 років тому +19

    To defend the Falchion from FE (aside from the fact it's a fantasy game) it doesn't purport to be a Falchion it's the Falchion (Or Parallel Falchion) it's a name rather than a type.

    • @minte1972
      @minte1972 5 років тому +21

      Still, thats like naming a trumpet the Legendary Saxophone

    • @DragonXZero
      @DragonXZero 5 років тому +16

      @@minte1972 Bitch don't you wanna be the wielder of the legendary Saxophone?

    • @minte1972
      @minte1972 5 років тому +5

      @@DragonXZero Fair

    • @kahate7328
      @kahate7328 5 років тому +1

      If it called falchion. IT CAN KILL A DURAGON

    • @JK-ko6en
      @JK-ko6en 5 років тому +2

      We all know Skall can't resist making pointless criticisms of fantasy swords in general.

  • @lord_termy5142
    @lord_termy5142 5 років тому +8

    It would be "Das Langmesser" because "Das Lange Messer" would only be a long knife. Same with "Großmesser" and "Großes Messer"

    • @bloodfrog8657
      @bloodfrog8657 5 років тому +8

      I think it depends on the time period. In modern german yes, but back in the days even the longsword was called „Das lange Schwert“ instead of „Das Langschwert“.

    • @ArsinoMeteor
      @ArsinoMeteor 5 років тому

      Actually he said the long knife. His translations were correct.

    • @ArsinoMeteor
      @ArsinoMeteor 5 років тому +1

      @@bloodfrog8657 Yeah but you also say longsword in english instead of long sword so.

    • @Ranstone
      @Ranstone 5 років тому

      Das cool.

  • @camerontungate
    @camerontungate Рік тому

    2:39 Nice to see a shoutout to a museum in my home city.

  • @matthewledford6693
    @matthewledford6693 5 років тому

    Will you make a video on how to display/store swords? I have a decent of swords and and a cluttered room to store them in, so I'd love suggestions or ideas. By the way, I've been watching your videos since 2014 and love your content!!

  • @igorlorenc1445
    @igorlorenc1445 5 років тому +16

    Shadiversity made a whole series about it already.

    • @juandelata
      @juandelata 5 років тому +5

      But hey, this one's shorter

    • @ambrosewetherbee8301
      @ambrosewetherbee8301 5 років тому +5

      @@juandelata True but Shad's is far more informative, especially because of his collaboration/consultation with James Elmslie on his work on falchion and messer typology.
      I enjoy Skallagrim's work but to be quite frank, nothing he said in this video isn't anything that can't be found upon a cursory web search for falchions and messers. However, it does aggregate the commonly shared information so it's still a video worth watching but I believe that anyone who wants to really get substantial information about falchions and messers should watch Shad's video series on the topic because of its thoroughness as well as its presentation of information not found in most other discussions on the matter.

  • @ColtNomad
    @ColtNomad 5 років тому +4

    Any Critical Role fans here for the falchion talk?

    • @AlephSharp
      @AlephSharp 5 років тому +2

      Im a fan of his, and CR. This channel is *great*, for, in addition to interesting historical combat context and interesting tool reveiws, a way of dealing with a little more accurate D&D combat and weapon descriptions.

    • @elgostine
      @elgostine 5 років тому +3

      well i was a sword nerd before critical role but yeah

    • @AlephSharp
      @AlephSharp 5 років тому +2

      @@elgostine also yeah, swords and other historical weapons are interesting

    • @ColtNomad
      @ColtNomad 5 років тому +2

      I was a CR fan first but because of d&d I have started looking into medieval and all of historical weaponry, combat, and even food.

    • @elgostine
      @elgostine 5 років тому +1

      @@ColtNomad just a tip, be wary of weights, most swords are ok, some of the maces and axes are overwight,
      its not as bad as earlier editions (pathfinder lists a heavy mace as 8lb which is the equivelent of a sizable sledgehammer

  • @Velkan1396
    @Velkan1396 5 років тому +1

    5:20 Here in the Iberian península we've found various types of messers, we didn't called them messers obviusly but there are equivalents spread all over europe.
    Also, as far I'm concerned, one handed messers are called langes messers

  • @dukeofmania6504
    @dukeofmania6504 5 років тому

    I'll be honest I never knew the difference between a messer and falchion, let alone what a messer was. Thanks for the video

  • @potatoradio
    @potatoradio 5 років тому +7

    Talks about Falchion vs Messer, holding a sword that could be also considered a cutlass... God I am that nerd... lets call them Dadao and heavy scimitar choppas, sabers most Japanese swords slashers, rapier - chinese straight swords pokers, estocks , semanches(?) Straight chisel tip "ninja" sword as armor piercing.

  • @franciscojaviernavarroabad7757
    @franciscojaviernavarroabad7757 5 років тому +14

    Messer? This means knife in german

    • @InSanic13
      @InSanic13 5 років тому +1

      Yeah, there have been some theories about the origins of the "messer" sword. One of the more plausible theories is that knife-making guilds wanted to get into the sword market, so they started making really long knives (hence why the messer sword has a somewhat knife-like grip).

    • @someramdomguy9951
      @someramdomguy9951 5 років тому +1

      Ja so ist das

    • @trollobob4799
      @trollobob4799 5 років тому

      Aber sowas von mein lieber Freund Messer heißt das hier

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 5 років тому +1

      well that depends on the type of messer.
      the "messer" that you cut bread with is translated as "knife"
      the "messer" that is really just a flachion with a knife hanlde is usually refered to as a "knoif"
      proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apocalypsesurvivalist.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FRubberKnife2.jpg&f=1
      you call this a knife.
      proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.m0pZ7fy7i4u9mm_nMkqR6QHaEL%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
      this is a knoif.

    • @Wolfuskaktus
      @Wolfuskaktus 5 років тому

      Jes

  • @Noromdiputs
    @Noromdiputs 5 років тому +1

    Oh Shadiversity did this once. I remember coming away with the impression that there was a large amount of overlap(possibly it was just the handle?). Now I wonder if there even is a commonly agreed upon definition.

  • @fellsbane1126
    @fellsbane1126 5 років тому

    Great video! Lindybeige has a really good video explaining messers as well.

  • @user-yc6hn3gm6z
    @user-yc6hn3gm6z 5 років тому +2

    Please make a video about Seax (Scramasax) knives

  • @pegglethon4553
    @pegglethon4553 5 років тому

    I think distinguishing from a Falchion and a Messer is a matter of how long/big the guard is. I've noticed recently in my very, very short time observing and telling apart sword types that a Messer generally has a smaller guard than a Falchion does.

  • @HiopX
    @HiopX 5 років тому +2

    Do you know about the Elmslie typology of Falchions and Messer? Shad made a video about it a year or so ago.

  • @procrastinatinggamer
    @procrastinatinggamer 5 років тому +1

    Started wondering about this subject recently when I started watching campaign 2 of Critical Role. Travis Willingham’s character in that, the half-orc Fjord, wields what’s called a falchion but - since there’s no such weapon in the D&D 5th Edition ruleset - is mechanically a longsword, which in the game is a weapon that can be wielded either with one hand or both (with 5e simplifying the difference to just “you roll a d10 for damage instead of a d8”).
    What this has meant for both how the DM describes the weapon as Fjord unlocks more of his class’ powers (he’s a Hexblade Warlock, so an Eldritch being is giving him power via the sword) and how the various fan artists have interpreted it... the sword’s appearance in fan art tends to end up looking like some kind of falchion/kriegsmesser/scimitar hybrid. You can really see what I mean in the new animated intro the show has - just search for “Critical Role intro Mighty Nein” and you’ll find it, thumbnail should have a huge red dragon looming over the party.

  • @ghostlygardener5644
    @ghostlygardener5644 5 років тому +2

    You should probably look up the Elmslie typology. Messer and Falchion is pretty much the same, the hilts is what differs.

  • @sealo97
    @sealo97 5 років тому

    Take a look at Elmslie’s typology of single edged medieval era swords that’s the best method I have found in identify differences between these two

  • @Peacich
    @Peacich 5 років тому

    Good video. Very informative. Thank you

  • @waylandwarner7727
    @waylandwarner7727 3 роки тому

    3:18. I'm actually descended from John Conyers, Skall. Thank you so much for pointing out his sword.

  • @zhenbiaoli297
    @zhenbiaoli297 5 років тому

    Da Dao is not just means“big knife”,it also means a tpye of polearm which has a single edge blade on it--just like a glaive--in Chinese martial arts and ancient Chinese army.When we talk about the Chinese martial art only using a single edge sword(without shield or twin knives),it calls “单刀”(Dan Dao,one knife).

  • @Riceball01
    @Riceball01 5 років тому

    You know, some of those falchions from those old paintings remind me a lot of what used to be called scimitars in popular media. I've also seen that style of sword used a lot as "pirate swords" in cartoons and games for kids.

  • @MrDmitriRavenoff
    @MrDmitriRavenoff 5 років тому +1

    The Messer is probably my favorite historical sword. I just like the look of it and its utility.

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 5 років тому

      a messer is literally just a falchion with a knife grip.

  • @twig4661
    @twig4661 5 років тому

    be proud of yourself, i knew nothing about these swords until just now and at 9:34 when you showed the two swords i immediately knew which was which and why, so thanks for that.

  • @HolyFurryFish1998
    @HolyFurryFish1998 5 років тому

    Hey Skall, just had a thought; would you be able to do a video on the historical accuracy of the arms and armour in Mount and Blade: Warband?
    I know I'm not a patron or anything like that, just thought I'd throw my two cents at ya!

  • @DeVeloxVulpes
    @DeVeloxVulpes 5 років тому

    Informative indeed. Thank you.

  • @andywilson8698
    @andywilson8698 5 років тому

    Could you do a video on the possible evolution of langseax to the falchions or at least it's influence on it ?

  • @robertocavicchi5333
    @robertocavicchi5333 5 років тому

    Different topic: that t-shirt is AWESOME, where can I buy it?
    The video is also very interesting and gave me some insight I didn't have.

  • @Cysubtor_8vb
    @Cysubtor_8vb 5 років тому

    I was pondering adding a kriegmesser just the other day. Was wondering, though, do they ever have a sharpened false edge to allow more carryover from longsword?

  • @spencerburkhart555
    @spencerburkhart555 5 років тому

    4:10 I like that top blade seems like something I can make easily just a little bit less extravagant handle

  • @JaayCeez
    @JaayCeez 5 років тому +1

    Question: Did pirates primarily used Falchion swords? The style you showed here are similar, at least the hilt area of them. I'm curious if they used them or they are just similar swords but not actual Falchion.

  • @vancallim6637
    @vancallim6637 5 років тому

    1:33 I believe those are a type of 'langseax' a larger, more developed version of the 'seax' (I could be wrong) but I don't think those are falchions. Maybe the langseax is a precursor to the falchion?