Dropping the Battery Pack in Our Tesla Cybertruck!
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2024
- Sandy, Julian, and Andy drop the battery pack from the Cybertruck and examine the cost savings offered by its assembly strategies.
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#tesla #cybertruck #elonmusk - Авто та транспорт
Munro live is back to what made it famous. Love love love this content!!
Kissing Elons ass?
@@brunoheggli2888Honest critiquing.
That drop down of the seats attached to the structural battery pack is something else!
i rather not be sitting on top of thermal runaway piece of junk design 101 on this machine poor designed door handles and controls and everything else tesla cannot design vehicles worth a crap.
And how does this deal with waterproofing, considering it's supposed to be a workhorse? After a couple of battery unhooks, I doubt you will have any waterproofing integrity left.
Yea, it is a joke. Cheap crap. Check out NIO and battery swap.
@@billybobbob3003 In 2023 alone for every 100,000 EVs sold there were 25 fires, in contrast, for every 100,000 gas cars sold over 1,500 caught fire. Keep believing your conspiracy, I guess. This is easily verifiable. It is information gathered from a study by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), and government recall data. And in fact it even goes further to say, and I quote, “Approximately 20 EV fires occurred in 2023. These incidents involved around 611,000 electric vehicles. Gasoline-powered vehicles, totaling about 4.4 million, experienced approximately 3,400 fires during the same period”. And quoting again, “The data clearly shows that gasoline vehicles are tenfold more likely to catch fire than their electric counterparts. Despite some high-profile EV fire incidents, the overall risk remains significantly lower for electric vehicles. So, while EVs are not entirely immune to fires, they are still a safer choice in this regard”.
@@billybobbob3003 Punctuation, it can be useful'
Very cool Munro Team! Thank you for sharing this video.
amazing work guys
Thank you! Cheers!
I'd blush Sandy but I 'm in awe of the engineers that made it real. Humbled too. ❤
That casting in the back is amazing..
No its just ok!
@@brunoheggli2888I still want one for my coffee table..
Mud, snow, ice collector.
@@freddymax5256 Its covered normally with skid plates and aero covers, if you look under it normally the bottom is smooth all the way back. This is also for efficiency.
It’s a work of engineering art, but yeah it’s a dirt magnet and if it breaks, ouch. Still, it’s progress
I appreciate Sandy et al because this type of analysis is valuable but he’s putting it out there for free. No doubt many manufacturers are studying these videos.
One can hope....
@@sailirish7lol they (OEMs) buy almost all their competitors vehicles and tear down themselves too…
"I appreciate Sandy et al because this type of analysis is valuable but he’s putting it out there for free. No doubt many manufacturers are studying these videos."
The most interesting things are in the reports that are not free. The biggest interest have also been from the Chinese brands and not from the stagnant legacy automakers, and it shows. The Chinese are doing better than legacy auto.
@@toddw3nzel639 " @sailirish7 lol they (OEMs) buy almost all their competitors vehicles and tear down themselves too…"
Some of them may do, but it doesn't matter much if they aren't willing to learn and react quickly on the information.
@@sailirish7 ...hope is about it. I doubt the unions would allow any type of "savings" ...
I would be curious to know if any of the Korean/Japanese/German manufacturers are working toward a Tesla-similar manufacturing process.
What I'm fascinated about is the refurbishing process, for a worn down robotaxi assebled in this way. You drop down the ~500K mile worn out battery and torn up seats, put in new ones and done, it's ready to get back on the road after just 50 screws? With brand new battery and seats.
That's a good point! But would Tesla think of offering these assemblies?
What robotaxi are you talking about?
@@imresomodi4961The ones that are coming in a couple years or maybe sooner.
Image a station that lifts the robotaxi up replacing the worn out batteries and sits and cleaning the vehicle
That sounds like something Tesla would do
@@imresomodi4961 8/8 they will show the new small Tesla robo taxi
Great to see some progress on this project
Amazing ! Thanks Sandy and crew
This is my favorite anime of the season
hey Sandy, you forgot that VW Beetles engines and transmission were assembled into the floor/chassis and then paired to the body. It was brilliant.
Difference: neither the seats nor the floor were ot attached to the engine or transmission. I mean assembling the drivetrain to an ICE vehicle in the z axis from below is pretty standard. So that is not his point.
@@MooseOnEarth Check again. Seats weren't floors definitely was part of the frame/chassis.
ua-cam.com/video/c7XBh6uuiD4/v-deo.htmlsi=KjI7AhdE2xg-3wrS&t=237
Excellent point, it’s the reason why Beetles were so easy to convert to Dune Buggies.
@@1EstebandOK, I see what you mean: Volkswagen Beetle has basically a body on frame architecture (which is known and very traditional), except that they integrated all the floor panels into the frame. ua-cam.com/video/T9QCcV4GNYk/v-deo.html . And thus the body itelf has no floor as visible in ua-cam.com/video/SPWRiMPiZqQ/v-deo.html . Body on frame has its own advantages and disadvantages. Still, the assembly process itself (I thought that was, what you were refering to) at marriage point is similar for most cars. Also with a BMW 1series or 3 series, Porsche Macan and whatever, the whole drivetrain (engine, gearbox, driveshafts, suspension, prop shaft, rear differential, steering rack) is preassembled and the body is preassembled separately and then they are married at an assemblly step called marriage. See this for an example: ua-cam.com/video/zZUOJViAWE4/v-deo.html
But they also put in the seats first into the body part.
Tesla keeps shilling for his buddy, VW was way ahead of it' time, ...Tesla copies, and hypes the nonsense. When tesla can build to Porsche (VW) standards, since they are charging a Porsche price, they are a car maker. More plastic snaps, right?
Thank you Sandy for all you do! 🚀
Sandy, Julian and Andy, Thanks for your engineering discussions and demonstrations about removing the battery from the Cybertruck. I was amazed that you said it would take 2x43 seconds for Tesla line workers to install the battery. I appreciated your explaining the time Tesla saves fabricating & installing everything.
Sandy mentioned another big advantage of this type of assembly a while ago. With no floor in the way workers can stand inside the car while they install the steering wheel and hook up the dashboard electronics. They'll undoubtedly do this more quickly than the old way, and more ergonomically.* Sandy loves this design so much - it eliminates several work stations and speeds up the time at the remaining work stations.
*Cars that are easier and more ergonomic for the workers to build save the company money on sick leave time and paying people overtime to fill in for the people who are out hurt.
@@donjones4719 Thanks Don for the additional information. Never anticipated that TWO workstations were eleminated from using this installation practice.
they will still need to assemble all the carpet, seats and other accessories on top of the battery pack so literaly no time is served its just alocated to other assembly line lol!!!
@@alanmay7929 At that other location the workers can stand next to the floor/pack and install all of these items quickly and ergonomically. At other OEMs installing seats and their wiring, etc, is done by awkwardly maneuvering in the seats and the workers have to lean in or crouch inside to do the installation of them and any other items. Plus, since all this is done on the main assembly line, if there's a problem it slows down the entire main assembly line. With the Tesla method, a reserve of floor/packs can be maintained so if that work station has a problem the main assembly line can continue to flow by using the reserve.
@@donjones4719another bullshit!! those OEMs have actually seriously optimise the asse,bly of all those things in the car and have equipments for that too, other OEMs also offers seriously way more choices of customisations compared to tesla, tesla is all bland and same thing all over.
Top Munro broadcast in this new era. Sandy doing what he does best.. fronting the technology. Great production Munro
Thank you Mr.Munro! Looking forward to the upcoming video of CyberTruck.
Amazing work. Thanks for sharing this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
When will you take apart a Silverado EV? Kyle at Out of Spec channel says, "it's a towing beast.!" Easily beats the CT
Wow. Ty so much for showing that. Keep up the great work Tesla and Munro.
thanks your comments sandy are what makes the videos great
Having the battery pack integrated into the floor and with the interior/seats bolted to the top of battery case sounds good for assembly.
As someone who removes, disassembles and services/repairs high voltage battery backs after the fact in a shop at the dealership… it sounds horrible lol. The current setup for the BEV battery packs that I work on, they have the entire battery pack bolted to the underside of the unibody with no need to disturb or disassemble the interior. Just disconnect the hv connectors, remove those bolts on the perimeter holding the battery to the frame, drop it down. Then you can just unbolt and remove the top battery cover to access the inside of the battery unit and do what you need to do.
I’m assuming they will need to remove all the seats and interior before being able to remove the top cover and accessing the inside of the hv battery unit? Oh well. More labor and more money for the technicians I guess! Seems like they are saving on assembly, but trading that for labor time to service/disassemble it if there’s an issue later on and gambling that nothing will fail or have a defect inside the hv battery unit. Time will tell, but it looks pretty rad.
What's the betting they will find it is like the Model Y: seats on top of a sealed structural battery unit filled with foam that renders battery and control units not just non repairable but incapable of being internally inspected without destructive entry and total PITA of manually removing foam or dissolving it with solvents
That's leading to write off of Model Y's after even minor shunts and ramping insurance premiums
The structural packs are essentially non repairable. Maybe you can do some work to the controllers, but the rest is no-go. When its caput the whole thing needs to be recycled. Thankfully I suspect these packs are quite durable so the need for repairs might be less.
But, Tesla is not a product, it'e religion. And you should treat it with respect... I see, they are making even worst crap then before. Excellent!!! The point is to completely destroy cars second hand market. Cars suppose to be disposable product for reach people... at least in USA :)
Maybe it's to make the interior waterproof that's why there is no leakage into the interior and that it's the safest EV
Apprently the seats CAN be removed w/o dropping the pack.
Thanks for sharing this. So much learning from you guys!
@ElonMusk-bs8kd thank you for the Cybertruck you sendt us for free.
@@evkxYou replied to your own comment. Uh-oh.
@@connergrim7913it seems the fake Elon Musk comment was deleted.
@@evkxOh. They got embarrased by YOU. Good on 'ya.
Brilliant. Thank you Sandy😊
thank you so much. Absolutely love the content and expert opinion on the engineering coming from Mr Munro.
Amazing breakdown
More to come!
Thanks! Seeing the disassembly process really enhances the explanation, much appreciated
We trust the hoists safety features so much we added jackstands.
phenomenal. thanks for sharing and exploring for us. Love this plug and play truck we purchased.
Good vidio. Thanks.
Great for factory assembly. Horrendous for the eventual repair and replacement of the battery in terms of labor.
Enjoyable, clear, and concise. Thanks
Thank you Munro Team, been waiting for this to start for years.
Wasn't unibody really developed by Ferdinand Porsche in the 1940's? Seems to me that all the early VW's were built unibody which helped them float.
Tesla engineers are incredible
Low capacity, slow charging...ok
@@abraxastulammo9940 bruh
@@abraxastulammo9940 how is this slow charging?
@@abraxastulammo99404680 battery is new tech that no other has figured out: Dry battery electordes.
They will get a lot better in next few years.
But slowcharging is true at the moment but Im quite sure batterypack wh/kg is on par with other batteries.
Ps. Im quite sure engineers did not want to design batterypack with more cells.
They range will grow up as the batteries get better. Probably will be around 400miles in five years with same amount of cells.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408the charging curve is bad. See Out Of Specs test.
Thanks Sandy. Very interesting!
Great Video Team Munro, thank you!
Our pleasure!
Show us anything you want. Even the mundane coming from you guys is a treat.
$600-800000 assembly line savings in what? Equipment, materials. labor? Statements like that really need clarification.
You have to buy the reports to get those details
wonder about repairability. this looks more difficult to repair.
@@jarjarbinx79 Why?
@@jarjarbinx79 Repairing a pack is near impossible and no company is willing to do a pack repair.
you not only need to balance the pack after repairing it, you also need to warrenty your repair. The warrenty is the big issue, no company or insurance is going to warrenty a repaired pack, since a 2k repair can cause a unbalance and make the complete pack useless or destroy itself by inbalance. Then that 2k repair end up costing them over 10k or even worse, it cause a fire and you talking about 70k+ cost.
@francoisbedard6021 then Sandy should say that, or else not say it at all in a non-industry focused UA-cam.
Nice video! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the video! I wish they’d make easily serviceable battery packs. Say there is a failure, it would be nice and a much lower cost to be able to replace a cell or small module of a few cells. This is the way they did it in the 2015+ era Model S. It’s also more environmentally friendly.
As a Tesla owner myself, I love Tesla. But I’ve now lost interest in the truck since the real world range is so low yet expensive. It’s just unacceptable.. hopefully future models of this truck will be better in the range area.
Watching from work! very addictive, Thanks #Brillianteam
Service manual is available and has info on "High Voltage Battery Assembly - HV Battery, Long, 4680, Center (Remove and Replace)"
Thank you Munro team! I love the visual of the tear down in action as we all find out together. I noticed some thick rubber seals around the top base of the pack. Maybe water proofing? Are the seats heated and cooled?
Love those embedded ads by Sandy 😂
product placement.
@@MunroLiveshould disclose that nonetherless
@@salmiakki5638It was obvious. No need to waste time stating the obvious.
@@puta1082 They got some cool new toys for 'free', I agree doesn't need any "disclosure".
Quit watching if you don’t want Munro to earn addition revenue.
You say that this can be assembled in two stations versus 12 or 14, but that doesn't account for dressing the battery pack with the, floor, ducting, seats, etc. How many stations would Tesla need to prep the pack? Is the real advantage just being able to do those tasks in a more open environment?
That can be pre done on another line. That way it's a complete assembly when it gets to the main line. Same as the front and rear drive unit assemblies.
Exactly,iits all just asskissing,no critical thinking!
@@saff226 Of course, but it still takes time to do that work and money to create those stations in the plant. Before claiming this saves 10 minutes per vehicle and $600K-$800K in capital costs, Munro needs to account for the time and financial cost of dressing the pack. Not saying there aren't advantages to how Tesla does it, but I suspect the savings aren't quite as big as claimed. I'd love more detail!
@@EricTingwall-zy3pd Maybe having a subassembly allows the main line to run more independently while increasing the flexibility in dressing the pack. Thoughts?
Thanks boys!
More good stuff, thanks guys!!
Keep in mind, only 1st row seats are attached to the battery and floor. Not 2nd row seats.
But the rears (probably) bolt to the rear casting, and we've yet to see how that is assembled, so it could be more of the same.
Seats > casting > body.... ?
The rears look like they bolt to the back wall( rear castings). With no floor it would make it so much easier to install everything else in the car as the operators can stand upright instead of climbing around inside the car
Third row is right out!
thanks, folks. Great content.
Thanks for watching!
Love it gang! You guys always deliver.
We never thought about it because prior to this, the floor pan was just there to keep you from fred flintstoning. It wasn't a huge structural, (aka thick) member of the car.
Exactly!
A very difficult and long process change the fuel tank on an I.C.E. vehicle next
Hi all, Happy Easter...@ 4:20 & @ 7:23 Sandy made a comment praising Tesla...in reality you have all forgotten about the VW Beetle...A skateboard (albeit a lightweight chassis) with engine,gearbox & suspension, lifted in to the body, and bolted in just like the new generation Teslas...(Elon's favourite video perhaps)..see the link for a trip down memory lane (seems like Volkswagon Group forgot their own heritage)...Building Last VW Bug in Mexico 2003 ua-cam.com/video/IvexnlHf6oc/v-deo.html
I was admiring your 2 post lifts in the previous videos better than the one In our shop. That's for sure, but we don't do heavy things usually.
Looks like there's space for a double layer battery. That would make sense considering the originally promised 500 mile range.
Amazing!
Better than Cinema
Cheers from #doctesla Germany
Would this work in your workshop, Ove? Do you have the equipment like a hoist with enough lift height, the lifting carriage and the necessary ceiling height?
Yeah, but contrary to complaints about long movies this film was too short ;-)
@@MooseOnEarth yes
@@pierre.a.larsen indeed
Thanks to the pros at Munro I now feel I'm an expert on Cyber Truck. Wait until I tell everyone at work.
Such an interesting podcast, the Highlander. PS kindness is always free. Look forward to seeing the team in Muskegon Michigan this June.😊
I always smile and nod when Sandy calls us, "boys and girls."
Get this man all the views!!
Wonderful to watch. Tesla is unmatched.
Great job! Love this!
This is great! I’ve been wondering how to remove the battery in my Cybertruck!
Very inovative indeed 😊
like the VW bug was made decades ago!!!! lol!!
Cool to see!
Totally!
Munro and team are like kids in a candy store with the Cybertruck.
The Piper Papoose Experimental production concept aircraft, had the seats, control Assy on the main wing that fit up into the Fuselage, very much like the Tesla battery pack / interior.
Theres another group publicly tearing one down, but they already brushed past stuff you guys highlight here. I'm with the teardown titan. I Think the other guy may be an old friend of Sandy has done interviews with him, and I know sandy isnt the only one tearing down and costing cars, but he was the first to publicly do it with early tesla, interesting to see cybertruck generating more interest from oems. They need to reverse engineer the 48v and steer by wire asap. Tesla helped a lot with 48v playbook, but having a model to tear down and be hands on with has to be 2nd to none for training engineers.
The sheer amount of manufacturing processes and associated costs that Tesla has eliminated with the CT (and other Tesla vehicles) design, are simply staggering. I retired from this business, and I am awestruck. No one can compete with Tesla on basis of costs. I told people that if Tesla was building ICE vehicles, they would be able to do so at a cost of 35 to 40% less than what conventional automakers currently achieve.
Also- less complexity = better quality.
There are other EV's that are alot cheaper, so not sure this is true.
@@ahhmm5381 Tesla is the only profitable EV manufacturer. BYD, for example, makes most of its money on hybrids. And it only manufactures in China. It would lose money anyplace else.
@@charrin9086 If Tesla EV's are so cost effective, why are their sales declining in China? Why is BYD crushing them?
@@ahhmm5381 "Tesla China’s domestic sales saw a notable month-over-month rise in March 2024, with the electric vehicle maker selling 62,398 vehicles in the local market. That’s a 107.02% increase from the 30,141 units that the company sold domestically in February 2024"
@@charrin9086 Looking at single month sales data is laughable.
Look at the long term trends. BYD crushes Tesla in China, and is roughly even globally.
However, it is a bit unfair for me to say Tesla sales in China are declining. The real problem is the loss in market share.
Great info , keep going 👏👍🇺🇸🇸🇰
Tesla engineers played with Matchbox, realizing that Matchbox had assembly figured out.
Let’s go!
💪
Always make sure you get your own kids back when they hot-swap your battery/rear seat assembly.
I seen someplace that the rear seats mount to the rear casting.
Or: Get a new set dropped in and off you go. e.g. if they keep asking "Are we there yet?" way too often!
@@jimwithheld7217 Kid swapping? That could be a thing.
Would have been nice to see how many things you have to move/fold/disconnect in the cabin to do this. It's not just the 5 bolts - it's carpets, at least one electrical connection (maybe more?) vents. Other bits of trim? Seatbelts? It clearly efficient - I'd just like to see the whole process to get a feel for how it compares to conventional assembly.
That was awesome to watch.
If Tesla’s innovation has reduced production cost so much, why are the CyberTrucks not selling at a price closer to the initial projections?
If this was a legacy truck released at the initially projected price the dealers would be marking it up to $150K. So why gripe when Tesla picks up some extra cash to help fund production ramp?
Because twitter was so expensive to acquire 😅
They are still refining the production line for the Cybertruck. Costs should come down once this is perfected like it did for the other Tesla models.
@@streddaz Supplier cost may fall too when Tesla can order in larger quantities.
@@danharold3087 yes, you are correct. Volume reduces costs.
I am just curious how they manage to keep the cabin waterproof when entire floor is removable. Thats quite a long joint all the way around the battery that needs to be sealed up. Is there no sealant of any kind being used, just some sort of installed seal that is compressed?
Looked like there was a bulb seal around the perimeter of the battery pack (inboard of the attach bolts)
Good question
Very surprised this wasn't mentioned at all
Sandy is super super lucky that he got his hands on not one but two Cybertrucks and he knows it, don't expect any harsh criticism from Sandy going forward.
He's taking apart the CyberTruck he paid for dearly! BTW, he pays for all the vehicles he takes apart in case you missed all his previous videos.
Very cool!!!
Isn’t a unibody stronger? They’re relying on bolts to provide structural integrity of the bottom of the body? How is this going to hold up over 5-10 years?
It'll hold up just fine
@@scottprather5645 Trust me bro
Munro puts these videos out there to tease OEMs about their deep dive analysis but I enjoy these crumbs Information.
Like car makers don't do their own tear downs of others that they think matter. Wow, is this a cult too? Wow, just wow.
@@cengeb nah they mostly just pay companies like Munro for reports
nope they dont need that useless info thanks!
the seats, carpet and other stuffs still needs to be assembled on another line so they save on nothing its just allocated to another assembly line period.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Thank you for showing us how to properly drop the Cybertruck battery pack. I have been doing it wrong all along for years 😅
Great little vid, guys. I'm sure Jim Farley's team will be watching these avidly while Mary Barra still has her fingers in her ears singing "la-la-la-la"!
She's trying to figure out how to pump her stock from this video
Lmao she'll just be holding on to the blind endorsement Biden gave her. The highest lowest highlight of her career 🤷😂
Bob kLutz is napping until geezer discount dinner hour (4:30) in Florida.
Jim's team ("Skunkworks"....
headed by a Tesla team leader) has (imo) already negotiated use of "certain systems".
They have (again, imo) relayed dimensional positions of certain sensors on their vehicle to "another party" thus allowing the 3d image to be accounted for in those systems just in case Ford anticipates their use.
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They "may" also have been paying close attention the the "How to do 48v" document received recently.
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Just speculation, of course.
GM just mopped the floor with Tesla, Rivian and Ford EV pickup trucks in a out of spec towing challenge. For all of Tesla's claims of design and technical superiority, the CT finished last....why didn't it outperform the Lightning? The Rivian? The GM had a much larger battery, but Tesla is supposed to be more energy efficient, what with hairpin motors and octovalve and superior battery software management.
Here is the link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/LJFbevgCsig/v-deo.html
This format to me is not innovative. Maybe for initial consultation it is time saving and weight reducing but after that it's not a good idea for maintenance.
For example, if you just want to replace the battery, now with this format, you not only need to remove the battery, but you also now need to transfer the seats carpet centre console etc onto the new battery before fitting which is extra work.
With this layout, the battery is now a critical part of the body structure strength. Also, with this layout, the design is very vulnerable to corrosion and water salt ingress depending on the climate in which the vehicle is used
Seats can be removed w/o dropping pack.
Oh im excited
Is the seat unit a single piece and will it fit out through the door or would you have to drop the pack to remove the front seat
I mean, I knew it would be good but…that is incredible engineering! Top video, really looking forward the whole teardown.
I'd go as far as to use the term "Elegant" engineering. Certainly "Hyper Efficient"
How do you know its incredible engineering?For me its just ok,nothing mindblowing about it!
Wow! Great video! Answers lots of million dollar questions!
While VW and TOYota each make around 10 million vehicles a year around the world, and sell over $300 Billion, Tesla is not even in the same league, stop worshiping nonsense. More plastic snaps, that's key, to the low quality that is tesla. Remember Sandi is an ex Ford guy, Ford has the most recalls of any maker in the world...what a resume'
@@cengeb
I love it. Also you see everybody in the office trying to get a looksee.
Should have had a group goodbye, please subscribe 😁
Some good information here. I have assumed that a structural battery pack meant that it could not be replaced which would for the long-term owner of a vehicle be terrible. Nice to see it’s easily removable.
Ugghh.. the very last step went smoothly, but they did alot of fiddling to get the charger bus bars disconnected. Also, the fact that the top of the battery is interior to the cabin while the bottom is exterior, means that mounting it requires careful application of sealant or else the interior will fill with water if the truck is partially submerged. So lots of caveats with this one.
Summary: It's a large battery, and what-not.
It must be very stressful for Tesla engineers when Munro Live publishes a video about their part.
No. Sandy is a shill. Trust me, he’s getting money under the table from Tesla. The engineers have nothing to worry about. Sandy is part of their advertising team.
I suspect it "was" at one time, but....
They watched.
They learned.
They refined.
.
At this point I doubt they're very stressed.
Probably more interested to see if the teardown team notices all the innovative points.
why? Munro loves tesla, almost no critics at all in the past. They love everything tesla does. Even removing the blinker stalks is genious, appearently.
Tesla could cut a hole in the roof to let rain in and munro would find the positives about that.
"It must be very stressful for Tesla engineers when Munro Live publishes a video about their part."
Why?
@@dieKampfmeloneSandy can be harsh if an engineer uses two parts instead of one, uses too many threaded fasteners, designs something that could be lighter or cheaper or easier to manufacture or easier to assemble or safer or .... He lavishes praise on good work, but he doesn't hold back on sub-optimal designs. It's his job, but he's sharp in his criticism. He could never be a kindergarten teacher.
Thanks! ❤
Thanks
So excited to see how this thing is designed and assembled.
In particular, I’d like to know if the rear seat cushion and seat back can be removed and left out for a more open rear area.
It pivots, so logically, removing those pivot points would allow removal?
The service side of this assembly approach will easily eclipse the production savings. Not to mention a whole new era of cabin leak and noise concerns. Quite frankly the lack of a sealed firewall between the pack and the body is also disturbing. You call it innovation I call it ignorance.
The cabin is REALLY quiet if you've actually seen reviews. The maintenance will almost always be under warranty, the front seats can be removed without dropping the pack, and there is a sealed firewall.
@connergrim7913 that's my point. The warranty costs will dilute any savings. Sure it's quiet now there's a brand new weather strip. The body flex over time will degrade it and lead to wind noise and water leak concerns. The top of the pack is sealed to itself, not from the inner side of the vehicle, yes packs are designed to contain a thermal event for a period of time but a actual solid body firewall would definitely be safer for the occupants.
@@CMB-yg3qjIt would add some sort of protection at the cost of manufacturing price per pack, time to make those packs, retooling, etc. I'm going to be honest though, this is a diffrent time of critique compared to "ev emissions bad" when I can just point those people at the new Bloomberg study that can EASILY prove them wrong.
Never ever drive your structural Tesla in a Nio battery swap station ;-) You will find yourself (seats are on the battery and you are on the seats) in the swap rack 😛
Battery swap stations is an idea whise time never came. Tesla proved that idea was silly/
I've never really understood the attraction to this concept. The fact that the manufacturer has to produce a bunch of extras of the single most expensive component in the vehicle for the swap stations just balloons the cost per vehicle. We need every battery that is manufacturered going into a vehicle, not dozens sitting in every single swap station. And I'm really not sure I buy the throughput argument. Either the swap station has an underground warehouse filled with dangerous and very expensive batteries, or after a handful of customers the station has to close so it can charge the packs it has recieved. And the throughput is reduced if they offer different styles of packs. And how do you innovate? A swap station implies a frozen "forever battery" design that never improves in any way that impacts the swapping hardware. It just feels like an insanely huge investment for something with limited upshots. And the mechanical aspects of the swap stations just feel like they are guaranteed to break or get out of alignment and that feels very dangerous. Nothing about it makes any sense to me. 🤷♂️
The idea is batteries don't last. You were getting fresh, inspected battery packs.
@@Dularr not really. You possible end swapping your brand new battery with a 3 year old one. And Nio would not replace any working batteries, so in the future you will get even older batteries.
@@evkxThing is, the batteries are charged to 90% for longevity, and charged slowly for longevity too. Odds are that 90% will still be around 90% of the usable pack size when it was new.
4:19 Sandy ever heard of the VW bug!? thats almost exactly how it was made lol!!
I'm also excited to see how they build that tunnel cover