Ну ДЗ явно суше чем NERA, хотя первый одноразовый, а второй постоянный, но в качестве комбинирования выигрывает ДЗ. Чтоб было наверняка, нужно через каждую пластину NERA ставить ДЗ
even better, the Russian tandem heads are so effective that the blazer ERA on an M60A1/A3 offers basically no protection, while Russian ERA offers a lot of protection vs tandem warheads
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 thats because it says the era has 600mm against chemical and milan has like 560 pen, so according to wt the era isnt even scratched
@@yuliusfrancis9542 also shouldnt hitting the relikt plate on the turret cause it to then disappear because it served its purpose? yet it doesnt while the leopard 2s turret composite blows off after a few hits
Yes it matters because the ERA is supposed to be a one-hit protection if it does not explode after the first impact it's still protected for the next shot Edit: spelling
That's probably due to the missile hitting between the blocks and game just making it disappear, as it tends to happen when you hit crevices like that. Merkava turret is a straight up shadow realm portal
Раскрою секрет, игре больше всего денег приносят западные игроки, как думаешь, итальянец купит русский премиум танк? Думаю нет. А тут в видео все довольно реалистично, era пробивается тандемными зарядами, или достаточной пробивной млщью, тов2б пробивает 600 мм примерно, хризантеа пробивает 1200 и боевая часть тандемная, а броня т80 без era эквивалентна 670-700 миллиметрам гомогенной стали, а era держи 600 пробивной мощи от кумулятивных боеприпасов(кинетические снаряды спокойно пробивают эту машину в лоб)
@@skierf1985 USSR is the most played tree in the game. Gaijin is also a russian company, with a predominantly eastern player base. You don't think there's a little incentive there to artificially boost performance? Relikt ERA should not have the nuts ~250mm protection it has, and Russian tanks should not have invincible ammo racks that never explode or non-spalling armour on the least survivable modern MBT design.
Да вроде норм всё.. Приведенка 1100, а у хризантемы пробой 1200. Вертолет можно сказать под прямым углом попадает, так что все реалистично, как мы любим
Remember when only a few weeks ago the Adats missiles would fuck a bvm raw like its supposed too? But now they are a joke at killing any tank and just don't work half the time..........but remember thank god the match makers is saved and balanced finally cause russia got a pantsir
That thing has some 900mm pen it ain't penetrating the BVM neither in game nor irl The relikt ERA affects tandem warheads meaning that unless you have an incredibly powerful warhead with 1200mm and above penetration you ain't going through that thing
@@Peeled4901 Air Defense Anti Tank System, idk why russian mains complain about adats being able to kill tanks therefore being "more op" than pantsir when its literally designed for that
В игре скорее просто не работает система тандемности брони/тандемности птуров. Ибо тогда , тот же ТОW-2А должен был бы пробивать влд БВМ-а, но он этого не делает. Игра просто считает цифру брони к цифре пробития. Меньше 1100мм- не пробивает, больше 1100мм - пробивает. UPD: TOW-2A не пробивает влд УК с Контактом-5, у которого 860 мм. Так что моё предположение подтверждено.
@@chelik1717 а теперь погугли , что такое тандемный птур. Я конечно не знаю точного устройства Реликта, но Контакт-5 никогда тандем не будет способен выдержать в реальности. А в игре он держит.
today i couldn't penetrate the maus's turret cheeks flat on in my type-69-2g not with apfsds not with heat,the protection analysis showed that it's a pen,i don't think it's bias,it's just gaijin and also there's the black night,2a6,the swedish leo they are the best mbts and they are just as capable as the bvm even better at some areas so i certify this as skill issue
Пророссийского уклона в игре реально нет. СССР/РФ наоборот сильно занижают, где-то характеристики техники заниженые (у Т-72Б3 в игре задний ход = 4,2км/ч, в реальности 15км/ч, у 3БМ60 пробитие на 0 градусов с 2км = 700мм, в игре он даже в упор 600мм неможет), какая-то техника в бр завышена (бедные Т-44 на 6,7 и ИС-4М на 7,7).
@@seiro8606 кстати, забавный момент, они подозревают разрабов в подкрутке советов, а среди наших игроков ходит мнение, что крутят уже амерам, даже от блогера популярного такое предположение слышал
@@seiro8606 lol those are the best examples you have vs Russia 380mm HE explosive round surviving tanks? there is a reason the most brain dead players choose Russian tanks.
Chrizantema has LOTS of penetration, as well as it is a tandem missile, the first jet deactivates the first layer of Relict, the second activates the 2 layer of Relict (Relict is supposed to defend from tandem missiles) but as Chrizantema has a lot of pen, it is enough to penetrate (at least that’s what I think)
Ну так пророссийского уклона в игре реально нет. СССР/РФ наоборот сильно занижают, где-то характеристики техники заниженые (у Т-72Б3 в игре задний ход = 4,2км/ч, в реальности 15км/ч, у 3БМ60 пробитие на 0 градусов с 2км = 700мм, в игре он даже в упор 600мм неможет), какая-то техника в бр завышена (бедные Т-44 на 6,7 и ИС-4М на 7,7). А всякие баги и т.д идут не от уклона игры на какую-то нацию, а от кривых механик и наплевательского отношения к игрокам.
@@seiro8606 there is that cope bullshit the game is 100 percent biased if it wasn’t nato would have their 800mm and up pen shells but they don’t not to mention Russia doesn’t produce their own gem 3 thermals and most certainly don’t fit every tank with them yet just about all there high tiers get em meanwhile one fucking tech tree abrams gets gen 2 and the leos all get gen 1 which is literally incorrect
@@texasthib2029 wtf are you saying? Which Nato shell has 800 pen? Only a few Russian top tier tanks have Gen 3: T-80BVM and ATGM carriers, Spruts M. The rest is either Gen 2 and Gen 1. Leopard 1 and older Abrams has gen 1 is correct. Have you seen Thermal imager of Leopard 2A5, it is blurry as f. The Turms is syrian tanks got upgraded by the French so just in case you wanna throw in. Below 10.0, most MBT of Russian don’t even have thermal. your hate is just pure hate.
i tested that black hole ERA with the Obj 292 by shooting the front of the T-90M and T-80BVM and the second that ERA is gone its armor becomes paper, that ERA is like a free survive any AP shell card until its gone
I will probably reveal a secret, but the tandem of the ATGMs does not work in the game. Therefore, TOW-2A, with a breakdown of 800mm, does not penetrate the 1100mm BVM, and Konkurs-M with its 1200mm penetrates the forehead of the BVM. All claims to the developers.
I see in the comments that most don't understand how a tandem warhead works, Gaijin doesn't understand it either when it calculates penetration normally like in wot. With a tandem warhead, IT DOESN'T MATTER what heat flux the ERA is able to stop, because that's what the precursor is for, to neutralize the ERA, and the penetration values given by Gaijin refer to the RHA/NERA main armor where around 800mm (e.g. TOW-2A ) or 700mm (e.g. SPIKE LR) is enough to defeat the basic armor of Russian tanks, so when designing the Chrizantem, the Russians took into account the available information about the main frontal armor of the Abrams. Interestingly, stupidity comparing absolute penetration values is written only by people writing in Cyrillic interesting ...
You're not understanding that Relikt is designed to defeat tandem warheads by destroying the warhead with it's own small shaped charges, it detonates on the first warhead then the shaped charge jets destroy the second warhead
Except it completely does matter. ERA like Relikt is designed to mitigate the efficacy of tandem munitions like those fired by the Bradley. The base armour is formidable as it is for Russian tanks offering about 650mm of protection if not more against KE and even more against CE. However it cannot itself withstand the latest weapon systems hence why ERA was added to begin with. The armour alongside the ERA will prevent the tank from being penetrated and save the crew. Seems like stupid people predominantly hail from the western European regions and also seem to have the propensity to talk out of their ass on topics they don't know a thing about. Do us a favour and go play WoT it's clearly the game for you.
Нет, на всей технике автор стрелял по динамической защите, а на БМП почему-то нет. Автор хочет внушить что существует Russian bias, понимая, что его нет
Not even remotely. I mean, the majority of the tanks with this ERA don't even have the proper filler, but instead have like sand and shit just stuff inside.
Most era in the west has been mainly focused around protecting a vehicles roof rear and sides from man portable anti tank weapons which in all actuality, at least in urban warfare, more of a threat than running into an enemy tank.
@@leonleeoff2216 most weapons russian tanks face are top attack atgm, tandem atgm to the sides, artillery or drones which was made to counter ERA or too destructive for ERA to counter
@@muhammadfajar4461 yet gaijin makes the TOW-2B literally useless against Russian mbts when there's literally videos of them being blow sky high when hit by them War thunder is just a massive copium game for Russians
ShorThunder, can you do a video on the difference between the Challenger 2f and the TES please? when you look at them in the xray, the 2f's Composite skirts have the exact same protection as the TES's ERA even though the ERA is twice as thick, as well as the other protection that it lacks... in short you are better off using the normal challenger 2 without all the weight cause the ERA and side skirts just don't seem to protect you much yet I never see anyone talking about this... Thank you if you do, and I loved this video. my only hope is that Gaijin will see it and maybe change things, but considering how much people have complained about this on the forums, I sadly doubt it...
They are vehemently defending their right to pick and choose the strongest spot of the tank to shoot at and complain when they don't get anything from it. "Look! It's so strong and impenetrable!! Overpowered tank!" Oddly enough, playing the T-80BVM in the actual game, it seems the vast majority of my opponents understand clearly to aim for the driver's viewport, the lower glacis, or the breech for an easy disable/kill! They know what they are doing. These aren't hard to hit, even. With new ATGM physics, it has indeed gotten somewhat more difficult, I understand that, but the Russian tank weak spots are big. If you have the time and stealth to line up the ATGM shot, you should have the time to guide it properly. But killing a Russian MBT (I would say some other MBTs too, such as the Leopard 2A6 and Strv 122 up-armored 2A5s) isn't a free derpshot that takes no thinking, and that's just too hard to comprehend all of a sudden.
@@normallymute0131 The only tandem missile that didn’t work properly in the video is the TOW-2A, which the wiki itself says is tandem so I’m guessing it’s just an oversight by gaijin
new realism update you have a 50/50 chance at spawning in a t-55 because the Russian tank inventory numbers were faked to hide them selling most of them
The BMP2 ATGM is called Kornet and has nothing to do with the Khrizantema. Just saying. Btw. Relikt was designed to effect Tandem warheads. It's a two layer ERA which works different than Kontakt 1 and 5.
Ah yes, a russian dev team making a russian tank: Hallo Kremlen! We make boom boom game with tanks, what are the true stats of our motherland vehicles! *insert russian propoganda on armor*
Дружище, ты играл на российской технике в этой игре?? Поиграй, после этого ты будешь сильно удивлён! А ещё я как-то часто вижу, как любой танк НАТО с одного выстрела уничтожает танк СССР или России, думаю это связано с тем, что разработчики игры подбирают соперников по боевому рейтингу техники, а этот рэйтинг определяется на основе известных данных, именно по этой причине e 100 может встретить птур. А ещё советую обратить внимание, что западных игроков больше, и денег заподные игроки приносят больше (да-да в России не любят тратить деньги на игры).
Нет никакой предвзятости , на всей технике автор стрелял по динамической защите, а на БМП почему-то нет. Автор хочет внушить что существует Russian bias, понимая, что его нет
maybe because everyone has conventional ATGMs, and charisanthemums have tandem ones? Didn't you think with your head, or don't they teach you this in schools?
excuse me, why the hell does explosive armour on US tanks in game barely stop chemical rounds, while RU has such bullshit that it can stop 120mm tungsten rods flying at mach jesus
Kontakt-5 has a 16mm steel "smashing plate", which is headed towards the shell at 400 m/s after the detonation of ERA. Relict has TWO "smashing plates", which head towards the shell separately. That's why Relict is effective against tandem missles. Also, the smashing plate design makes modern Russian ERA effective against APDS, unlike older Kontakt-1, which relied on explosives only. The smashing plate of Kontakt-5 provides about 100 mm of kinetic armor, the Relict provides more than 200 mm (exact number unknown). Unfortunately, I am not yet familliar with NATO ERA designs.
yes but it shouldnt be stopping DM53 or just not taking any damage from half these atgms at all when it should be also in the case of nato, most countries use NERA or a ERA/NERA mix, like the challenger which has ERA ontop of NERA.. which in game has less armour then relict somehow
Honestly, i think The russian ERA currently over performs by quite a bit. I think it should not be as effective as it is against kenetic shells in some cases
@NineSeptims wtf are you saying dawg, youre missing the point, the problem is that gaijin is putting in bullshit fantasy numbers on era armor and making it impossible to pen
*PART 2*
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(T-90M ERA TEST)
Well ladies and gentlemen after this video we can officially say that this thing has more ERA than an M22
there is a tank made from era its american
@@Enteropy23 M60 RISE (P) ?
@@leuritavares yes
Ну ДЗ явно суше чем NERA, хотя первый одноразовый, а второй постоянный, но в качестве комбинирования выигрывает ДЗ. Чтоб было наверняка, нужно через каждую пластину NERA ставить ДЗ
@@xsap2369 negative
Everyone knows the best ERA is fuel tank
And my maus proves this every uptier
Leopard fuel tank💪
Все пишут топливные баки леопардов, маусов, но истинный топливный бак только у ИС-2
French Leclerc fuel tank be like:
Yes, protect from apfsds is the best function
I love when tandem charge ATGMs aren’t modeled appropriately when they’re literally designed to defeat ERA
even better, the Russian tandem heads are so effective that the blazer ERA on an M60A1/A3 offers basically no protection, while Russian ERA offers a lot of protection vs tandem warheads
@@YukarisGearReviews Similar to how Russia has no top down ATGMs so all top down ATGMs are bad
@@goosegamerau3200 my Bill works properly fine though.
And Relikt is designed to work against Tandem warheads. It's a double layer ERA. People should get their knowledge right before telling crap.
Relikt is designed to defeat tandem shaped charges since it's a bunch of small shaped charges shooting the ATGM
Only Russian could kill another Russian. So the only chance you could win them is in a mix battle
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100%)))
Так какие есть натовские птуры на бр 11.0? С чем сравнивать хризантему? Вы головой думайте перед тем как писать.
He intentionally showed only russian kills no shit
that's because he shoot all the other ATGMs at close distance below the arming distance
I love how the Milan hits the front ERA and destroys the track lol.
And do nothing to ERA. WT is balanced game with no exploits!
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 thats because it says the era has 600mm against chemical and milan has like 560 pen, so according to wt the era isnt even scratched
@@waldek7772 and that's not even how era works. Gaijin logic ?
@@waldek7772 Ah yes, physics. Same with tanks that cannot climb and planes that fly totally wrong.
@@yuliusfrancis9542 also shouldnt hitting the relikt plate on the turret cause it to then disappear because it served its purpose? yet it doesnt while the leopard 2s turret composite blows off after a few hits
The 9M133 on the BMP-2M is not a Khrizentema but a Kornet.
This video is definitely not about being accurate
@@Zond3r ik
You can tell it's absolutely not performing correctly when the ERA doesn't detonate for the MILAN.
That's literally not how ERA works lmao.
Oh yes, milan is now gone in shadow realm before reaching armor.
does that matter tho?
Yes it matters because the ERA is supposed to be a one-hit protection if it does not explode after the first impact it's still protected for the next shot
Edit: spelling
That's probably due to the missile hitting between the blocks and game just making it disappear, as it tends to happen when you hit crevices like that. Merkava turret is a straight up shadow realm portal
So US tandem charge doesn't work but Russian tandem charge works?...
Maybe you look at the characteristics of the missiles?
chrysanthemum has a penetration of 1200 mm
@@strf1408khris not chrys
The relic has a double layer of protection, and the cornet pierces only because it has more penetration than the armor (1100
1200mm from russian vs 800mm of US tamdem
My therapist: ''Russian bias does not exist and can't hurt you''
Раскрою секрет, игре больше всего денег приносят западные игроки, как думаешь, итальянец купит русский премиум танк? Думаю нет. А тут в видео все довольно реалистично, era пробивается тандемными зарядами, или достаточной пробивной млщью, тов2б пробивает 600 мм примерно, хризантеа пробивает 1200 и боевая часть тандемная, а броня т80 без era эквивалентна 670-700 миллиметрам гомогенной стали, а era держи 600 пробивной мощи от кумулятивных боеприпасов(кинетические снаряды спокойно пробивают эту машину в лоб)
@@skierf1985 USSR is the most played tree in the game. Gaijin is also a russian company, with a predominantly eastern player base. You don't think there's a little incentive there to artificially boost performance? Relikt ERA should not have the nuts ~250mm protection it has, and Russian tanks should not have invincible ammo racks that never explode or non-spalling armour on the least survivable modern MBT design.
@@skierf1985 ты не умный вообще самая популярная ветка СССР
Laughs in Leocheat side fuel tanks
@@skierf1985 Russian bias exists tovarish, stop the vranyo
Да вроде норм всё.. Приведенка 1100, а у хризантемы пробой 1200. Вертолет можно сказать под прямым углом попадает, так что все реалистично, как мы любим
Какая нафиг приведена для ДЗ и комбинашки
А то что это танкует 150 кг тротила это норм?
How did that much Russian text translate so so little English text
@@ba780YTI was thinking the same thing lol
@@ba780YT Peak google translate
Explosive Reactive Armor so good that it doesn't even have to react
The mighty Florks have done well.
Remember when only a few weeks ago the Adats missiles would fuck a bvm raw like its supposed too? But now they are a joke at killing any tank and just don't work half the time..........but remember thank god the match makers is saved and balanced finally cause russia got a pantsir
850mm pen against 600mm equiualent ERA+ 3x50mm@60 degrees RHA+some textolite plates, really, why it doesn't pen??
And the pansir can't stop a huge slow drone in Moscow 😂 ruzzia is pathetic
@@КанистраКеросина 900mm* also a 152mm atgm with 8kg of explosive filler should just completely destroy/overpressure the tank alot of the time
That thing has some 900mm pen it ain't penetrating the BVM neither in game nor irl
The relikt ERA affects tandem warheads meaning that unless you have an incredibly powerful warhead with 1200mm and above penetration you ain't going through that thing
@@someboi4535 if only it was anywhere near as good irl as in war thunder
the ERA should hold up against pretty much any explosive warhead except for tandem warheads.
Relikt affects even the tandem charges
Relict is designed to stop tandem charges.
:D
@@blackran4052 designed doesn't mean it will especially against such large charges.
Well why it doesn't surprise me that the only thing that can reliably one shot it is Russian rockets ?
AGM-114K Hellfire 2
@@waldek7772 and whatever adats has (coming from the receiving perspective)
@@Peeled4901 Air Defense Anti Tank System, idk why russian mains complain about adats being able to kill tanks therefore being "more op" than pantsir when its literally designed for that
@@waldek7772 Is that what adats mean? I thought it was Attack DAT Shit
@@waldek7772 i wasnt complaining 😂😂 ik what its for i was simply showing that guy that non russia missiles can kill the bvm
Вообще мне кажется пускать не тандемные ПТУРы по танку с ДЗ плохая идея, так что всё логично
Да и не просто с дз, а с новой которая рассчитана и на кинетику и тандемы.
В игре скорее просто не работает система тандемности брони/тандемности птуров. Ибо тогда , тот же ТОW-2А должен был бы пробивать влд БВМ-а, но он этого не делает. Игра просто считает цифру брони к цифре пробития. Меньше 1100мм- не пробивает, больше 1100мм - пробивает.
UPD: TOW-2A не пробивает влд УК с Контактом-5, у которого 860 мм. Так что моё предположение подтверждено.
@@crecto5114 там прикол в комбинированной броне и ее наклоне, тоу 2а снимет дз но комбинированная броня останется
@@chelik1717 а теперь погугли , что такое тандемный птур. Я конечно не знаю точного устройства Реликта, но Контакт-5 никогда тандем не будет способен выдержать в реальности. А в игре он держит.
@@crecto5114 раньше не держал
А теперь ДЗ 5 жрет как нефиг
"yeah there is no russian bias" russian bias:
still cant see the bias :/
so who is to blame for the fact that the Western School of Tank Building does not use Dynamic protection?
today i couldn't penetrate the maus's turret cheeks flat on in my type-69-2g not with apfsds not with heat,the protection analysis showed that it's a pen,i don't think it's bias,it's just gaijin
and also there's the black night,2a6,the swedish leo they are the best mbts and they are just as capable as the bvm even better at some areas so i certify this as skill issue
@@hexchap2579 the era doesn’t explode sometimes when hit with an atgm you know something that will definitely set off the era
@@0verJlord have you seen the western tanks in combat vs russian tanks?
"no ruissian bias moment"
P-p-please forgive us, we are very ashamed of our developer🥺🙏
Actually, no, Russian bias forever😈
Пророссийского уклона в игре реально нет.
СССР/РФ наоборот сильно занижают, где-то характеристики техники заниженые (у Т-72Б3 в игре задний ход = 4,2км/ч, в реальности 15км/ч, у 3БМ60 пробитие на 0 градусов с 2км = 700мм, в игре он даже в упор 600мм неможет), какая-то техника в бр завышена (бедные Т-44 на 6,7 и ИС-4М на 7,7).
@@seiro8606 кстати, забавный момент, они подозревают разрабов в подкрутке советов, а среди наших игроков ходит мнение, что крутят уже амерам, даже от блогера популярного такое предположение слышал
@@seiro8606 lol those are the best examples you have vs Russia 380mm HE explosive round surviving tanks? there is a reason the most brain dead players choose Russian tanks.
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Chrizantema has LOTS of penetration, as well as it is a tandem missile, the first jet deactivates the first layer of Relict, the second activates the 2 layer of Relict (Relict is supposed to defend from tandem missiles) but as Chrizantema has a lot of pen, it is enough to penetrate (at least that’s what I think)
Единственный вариант уничтожить советский танк это применить против него только советское оружие, другим не берёт.😂
when you don’t realize M3A3 Bradley has TOW-2A
Totally fair and balanced
When someone say that russian bias is not real
Ну так пророссийского уклона в игре реально нет.
СССР/РФ наоборот сильно занижают, где-то характеристики техники заниженые (у Т-72Б3 в игре задний ход = 4,2км/ч, в реальности 15км/ч, у 3БМ60 пробитие на 0 градусов с 2км = 700мм, в игре он даже в упор 600мм неможет), какая-то техника в бр завышена (бедные Т-44 на 6,7 и ИС-4М на 7,7).
А всякие баги и т.д идут не от уклона игры на какую-то нацию, а от кривых механик и наплевательского отношения к игрокам.
@@seiro8606 there is that cope bullshit the game is 100 percent biased if it wasn’t nato would have their 800mm and up pen shells but they don’t not to mention Russia doesn’t produce their own gem 3 thermals and most certainly don’t fit every tank with them yet just about all there high tiers get em meanwhile one fucking tech tree abrams gets gen 2 and the leos all get gen 1 which is literally incorrect
@@texasthib2029 wtf are you saying? Which Nato shell has 800 pen? Only a few Russian top tier tanks have Gen 3: T-80BVM and ATGM carriers, Spruts M. The rest is either Gen 2 and Gen 1. Leopard 1 and older Abrams has gen 1 is correct. Have you seen Thermal imager of Leopard 2A5, it is blurry as f. The Turms is syrian tanks got upgraded by the French so just in case you wanna throw in. Below 10.0, most MBT of Russian don’t even have thermal. your hate is just pure hate.
@@seiro8606 How are you able to write so much garbage?😂
@@Mixzero97993Этот бесполезный комент, это всё, на что хватило твоей скудной фантазии?
i tested that black hole ERA with the Obj 292 by shooting the front of the T-90M and T-80BVM and the second that ERA is gone its armor becomes paper, that ERA is like a free survive any AP shell card until its gone
Mfs who say Russian bias just haven’t used a tow2b
Tow2b are unreliable as fuck, takes minimum 3 to kill a russian tank since it doesn't spall and the HEAT gets eaten by optics
Russian tanks have era that can be peeled off while german and sweetish leos have stupid composites pretty much 80% of the surface area
God bless holy Stalinium!
Putinium
@@Journey_to_who_knows putanium
I will probably reveal a secret, but the tandem of the ATGMs does not work in the game. Therefore, TOW-2A, with a breakdown of 800mm, does not penetrate the 1100mm BVM, and Konkurs-M with its 1200mm penetrates the forehead of the BVM. All claims to the developers.
2:08 - maybe 9m133 kornet?Wrong information 😅
*_Reality check - they are filled with rubber..._* 🤣🤣
simply bounces the explosion off
2:45 Bruuuh
Ain't no way brhh
Bro what???? Modern Bradleys have tandem charges... Only Russian tandems work I guess
It's because russian ATGMs have 1200 of pen
Relikt is anti-tandem, it sends plates in opposite directions. Khrizantema just has 1200mm of pen.
I see in the comments that most don't understand how a tandem warhead works, Gaijin doesn't understand it either when it calculates penetration normally like in wot. With a tandem warhead, IT DOESN'T MATTER what heat flux the ERA is able to stop, because that's what the precursor is for, to neutralize the ERA, and the penetration values given by Gaijin refer to the RHA/NERA main armor where around 800mm (e.g. TOW-2A ) or 700mm (e.g. SPIKE LR) is enough to defeat the basic armor of Russian tanks, so when designing the Chrizantem, the Russians took into account the available information about the main frontal armor of the Abrams. Interestingly, stupidity comparing absolute penetration values is written only by people writing in Cyrillic interesting ...
You're not understanding that Relikt is designed to defeat tandem warheads by destroying the warhead with it's own small shaped charges, it detonates on the first warhead then the shaped charge jets destroy the second warhead
Except it completely does matter. ERA like Relikt is designed to mitigate the efficacy of tandem munitions like those fired by the Bradley.
The base armour is formidable as it is for Russian tanks offering about 650mm of protection if not more against KE and even more against CE.
However it cannot itself withstand the latest weapon systems hence why ERA was added to begin with. The armour alongside the ERA will prevent the tank from being penetrated and save the crew.
Seems like stupid people predominantly hail from the western European regions and also seem to have the propensity to talk out of their ass on topics they don't know a thing about.
Do us a favour and go play WoT it's clearly the game for you.
Against Kontakt-5 and Kontakt-1 it works as designed, however Relikt is designed to counter.
Mmmm yes the Bias is strong with this one …. ERA he must have
Let the tandem guide you
ERA
E - I don't
R - give a shit
A - about your big ass missile
this is proof that russian bias exists, that BS doesn't happen irl
Bro ERA is literally designed to combat atgm’s and heat rounds
Only the bias can defeat the bias
Нет, на всей технике автор стрелял по динамической защите, а на БМП почему-то нет. Автор хочет внушить что существует Russian bias, понимая, что его нет
I wonder if the ERA is this good in real life.
Not even remotely. I mean, the majority of the tanks with this ERA don't even have the proper filler, but instead have like sand and shit just stuff inside.
@@jesusofbullets source!?
@@user-jc2in3cp3g made up
@@jesusofbullets cope harder, victim of Ukrainian propaganda
Most era in the west has been mainly focused around protecting a vehicles roof rear and sides from man portable anti tank weapons which in all actuality, at least in urban warfare, more of a threat than running into an enemy tank.
9m113 have an tandem warhead. That's why it can penetrate ERA....
So does the TOW-2A...
@@TangiersIntriguerelikt can defeat tandem, Kornet is just too powerful
*Механик-водитель на* *протяжении всего видео :* 🥲
Two things: First it is a extremely good Zelda remix and the second, hey where is the overpressure gone?
Really cool!!! But I'm not sure about the Sturmtiger one...
Shoot the barrel. Suddenly it has no armor. Basically every top tier tank in war thunder.
No way! ERA doing what it was supposed to do in game? Shocker! (although the 380mm rocket was funny)
Maybe if half of the interactions in this video is not how Era works
Definitely doesn't irl but whatever helps you cope. 🌻 🌻 🌻
Even with tandem missiles the ERA will defeat it.
@@leonleeoff2216 most weapons russian tanks face are top attack atgm, tandem atgm to the sides, artillery or drones which was made to counter ERA or too destructive for ERA to counter
@@muhammadfajar4461 yet gaijin makes the TOW-2B literally useless against Russian mbts when there's literally videos of them being blow sky high when hit by them
War thunder is just a massive copium game for Russians
ShorThunder, can you do a video on the difference between the Challenger 2f and the TES please? when you look at them in the xray, the 2f's Composite skirts have the exact same protection as the TES's ERA even though the ERA is twice as thick, as well as the other protection that it lacks... in short you are better off using the normal challenger 2 without all the weight cause the ERA and side skirts just don't seem to protect you much yet I never see anyone talking about this... Thank you if you do, and I loved this video. my only hope is that Gaijin will see it and maybe change things, but considering how much people have complained about this on the forums, I sadly doubt it...
This is how tanks like the challenger and mercava should be modeled especially since the mercava ate a kornet to the turret
You also could just aim below the plate and blow the whole tank apart as it had 50mm of armor...
They are vehemently defending their right to pick and choose the strongest spot of the tank to shoot at and complain when they don't get anything from it. "Look! It's so strong and impenetrable!! Overpowered tank!"
Oddly enough, playing the T-80BVM in the actual game, it seems the vast majority of my opponents understand clearly to aim for the driver's viewport, the lower glacis, or the breech for an easy disable/kill! They know what they are doing. These aren't hard to hit, even. With new ATGM physics, it has indeed gotten somewhat more difficult, I understand that, but the Russian tank weak spots are big. If you have the time and stealth to line up the ATGM shot, you should have the time to guide it properly.
But killing a Russian MBT (I would say some other MBTs too, such as the Leopard 2A6 and Strv 122 up-armored 2A5s) isn't a free derpshot that takes no thinking, and that's just too hard to comprehend all of a sudden.
War thunder players when ERA performs the job it was meant to do 🤯
Against Tandem charge missiles, literally made to counter ERA 🤯
@@normallymute0131 The only tandem missile that didn’t work properly in the video is the TOW-2A, which the wiki itself says is tandem so I’m guessing it’s just an oversight by gaijin
@@krin9437half the game is an oversight
@@normallymute0131but not Relikt
@@divinesan7786 relikt shouldnt survive main gun rounds and remain viable. I’ve legit hit a relikt patch and it only turned red
New update for realism:
- all 'modern' russian tanks get their ERA replaced with cardboard and rubber instead of explosive.
+ adds cope cages
new realism update you have a 50/50 chance at spawning in a t-55 because the Russian tank inventory numbers were faked to hide them selling most of them
Ironically cope cage gives tank more chance to take hits from drones. But if it is used in the west, people will call it Slat armor
I hate how that thing can eat fking dm33 to the side
To be fair the angle for the Vikhrs was way less
My first reaction to the sturmtiger test was excuse me what
Well, it definitely has less era than sundowner
The BMP2 ATGM is called Kornet and has nothing to do with the Khrizantema. Just saying.
Btw. Relikt was designed to effect Tandem warheads. It's a two layer ERA which works different than Kontakt 1 and 5.
Ah yes, a russian dev team making a russian tank: Hallo Kremlen! We make boom boom game with tanks, what are the true stats of our motherland vehicles!
*insert russian propoganda on armor*
Till the sturtiger everything looked normal
Yes but you missed the part where the armor is switched for wood/fake armor to earn an extra buck behind the curtains
The South African (Great Britain's TT) ZT3A2 missile can also front pen through T80BVM's ERA, and its funny cuz that's at BR 8.3
i love how there are so many russians in the comments defending russian bias lol
i mean this game is literal russia win simular they have to cope about something you know
Дружище, ты играл на российской технике в этой игре?? Поиграй, после этого ты будешь сильно удивлён! А ещё я как-то часто вижу, как любой танк НАТО с одного выстрела уничтожает танк СССР или России, думаю это связано с тем, что разработчики игры подбирают соперников по боевому рейтингу техники, а этот рэйтинг определяется на основе известных данных, именно по этой причине e 100 может встретить птур. А ещё советую обратить внимание, что западных игроков больше, и денег заподные игроки приносят больше (да-да в России не любят тратить деньги на игры).
Adats 11.7:😢😢😢 BMP-2M 9.3: 🗿🗿🗿
The 380mm rocket didn't do anything 😭
Tandem obviously gets through tho it's still crazy how it can defeat most atgm's and even some APDS-FS
It can’t. Relikt defeats tandem
"russian bias doesnt exist"
russian bias:
Нет никакой предвзятости , на всей технике автор стрелял по динамической защите, а на БМП почему-то нет. Автор хочет внушить что существует Russian bias, понимая, что его нет
T-80: i Refuse to get any damage from non russian vehicles
maybe because everyone has conventional ATGMs, and charisanthemums have tandem ones? Didn't you think with your head, or don't they teach you this in schools?
Woooow... ERA actually works (russian bias obviously)
Only bias can deal with bias
reasons why i have no desire to play top tier ever again.
so, lets do this test again with the losat yes
I wish i never started playing this game its like an abusive relationship that you can't leave and traps you into coming back for more.
Ive never been so offended by something so true
Bet it can stop the heaviest aircraft bombs too
How tf did that stopped the 380mm? Shooting the 380 next to it kills it but on ERA it's stopped. What?
excuse me, why the hell does explosive armour on US tanks in game barely stop chemical rounds, while RU has such bullshit that it can stop 120mm tungsten rods flying at mach jesus
Because most modern heat that RU uses are tandem? And Relikt and K-5 are designed to have KE protection?
russian bias defeats russian bias
Kontakt-5 has a 16mm steel "smashing plate", which is headed towards the shell at 400 m/s after the detonation of ERA. Relict has TWO "smashing plates", which head towards the shell separately. That's why Relict is effective against tandem missles.
Also, the smashing plate design makes modern Russian ERA effective against APDS, unlike older Kontakt-1, which relied on explosives only. The smashing plate of Kontakt-5 provides about 100 mm of kinetic armor, the Relict provides more than 200 mm (exact number unknown). Unfortunately, I am not yet familliar with NATO ERA designs.
yes but it shouldnt be stopping DM53 or just not taking any damage from half these atgms at all when it should be
also in the case of nato, most countries use NERA or a ERA/NERA mix, like the challenger which has ERA ontop of NERA.. which in game has less armour then relict somehow
@@datcheesecakeboi6745but ERA that challenger uses doesn’t design to counter KE round
@@divinesan7786 because that's a different ERA to what Russia uses
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 you don’t say
Потому что у всех машин птуры обычные, а у хризантемы тандемные
Holy fuck damage model in this game is so fucking russian sided xDDD
Honestly, i think The russian ERA currently over performs by quite a bit. I think it should not be as effective as it is against kenetic shells in some cases
Of course only russian vehicles can pen it with atgm
You could also have shown the Ratel ZT3A2 missile, which is the most powerful tandem missile versing Russia. Bit great video anyway.
I'd love for the day they model that shit correctly why tf is era defeating kinetic rounds
Why is that guy at he left side is Blussing 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
AFT09: Hello
Well what can I say that’s what ERA is for
Simply aim for the drivers port even HESH can pen that place.
Это слишком сложна, ты что) Проще надеятся что пробития после дз хватит на преодоление брони
@NineSeptims wtf are you saying dawg, youre missing the point, the problem is that gaijin is putting in bullshit fantasy numbers on era armor and making it impossible to pen
only bias can destroy bias
*proud russian engineer sound*
The BMP-2M has 9K133 Kornet missiles and not Krizhanthemas, also 9K113 would be the Konkurs missile
2:47 died from cringe
Now do the same, but from the side and with APFSDS, lets see how many of fiered shorts it will survive.
still skill issue when shot at driver sight
2:06 afaik BMP-2M got 9M133 Kornet
Well, technically it isn't big mistake. Khrizantema was based on Kornet ATGM
2:08 its kornet missile not krizantema
I mean those missiles is just heat with missile engine
I shot the turret era to remove it with the kv1e gun and it ricochet and killed it
so we can only destroy T80 ERA with russian missiles
tow 2a should protect right?? its tandem
Yet, most ERA isn't designed to handle darts so use darts and the penetration will be degraded maybe 20% but the tank will be penetrated.