Commodore Amiga Plipbox (Get your Amiga on the Internet)
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2021
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A short video showing the build and setup of a plipbox kindly donated by Keith McGerr!
I also take a quick look at IBrowse and Infinity Modules Player.
plipbox code and instructions - lallafa.de/blog/amiga-project...
IBrowse - www.ibrowse-dev.net/
Infinity Modules Player - aminet.net/package/mus/play/im...
RoadShow (TCP Stack) - www.amigashop.org/product_inf...
#commodore #amiga #plipbox - Наука та технологія
NOTE: One thing I found if you soft reset the Amiga, the network connection seems to go. A power cycle of both is often required to get the network connection back. There might be a way to solve that (perhaps stop the network at command line before reset?).
You can also get the demo version of IBrowse and RoadShow if you want to just tinker around with internet connectivity! I think IBrowse has a 30 minute session limit (per use), and RoadShow demo version performs slightly less than the registered version. But both worked perfectly well when I tested them before purchasing licenses for each.
WHDLoad checks if the slave for each game is up-to-date automatically with a network connection, and it will tell you if there's a new version of WHDLoad too =D
Yes, I've noticed that too...after searching for a failure in my setup for at least half an hour.
Great video, a massive thanks!
That Keith I've heard about him. 😉
Much appreciated! Loved using this to access the net on my 1200 =D Super useful for pulling down the latest WHDLoad updates, and stuff from Aminet =D
"we can carefully force that in" -Chris 2021
😂
I recently bought a ready built one from Ireland but not set up yet. Thanks for the video as I now understand a lot more about it. Yes I remember dialup with my CD32 and SX1 and a 56k modem connected to the serial port. Funny but back then it seemed quite fast. Best Browser then was Voyager by Vapourware. But unfortunately they seemed to have disappeared. I am happy to try iBrowse and pay the full price as I also believe in supporting Amiga developers with either hardware or software. Thanks again.
I’ve been thinking about getting one of these too, nice video. Thanks to Keith for the donation and another very informative video Chris 👍
No problem 👍
A+ spent over a year trying to debug the noburst issue. 29:00 I finally came across a random forum post that explain the process. Kudo's on showing it.
I'm using a plipbox on an Amiga 500 with an external 68020 turbo card. As a TCP-Stack, I'm using MiamiDX, mainly because I had no idea what to use, so I used the first one that I found that didn't seem to require a lot of manual configuration. I just had to copy the device file and setup MiamiDX, which seems to handle everything concerning DHCP, DNS and the gateway just fine.
I'm mainly using it for FTP transfers, albeit I did install some browser (can't remember the name, but it was some free one), which can at least display aminet somewhat.
I think MiamiDX is very good too tbh! There's probably very little difference in performance between RoadShow and MiamiDX.
@@GadgetUK164 depends on what you have. IME Roadshow does better with z3 network cards and fast cpus.
An amazing alternative to Google for older machines is FrogFind. Search result are formatted for older browsers with all the junk stripped out, but not only that, when you click a link it'll proxy the webpage and do the same to that as well so you get what is essentially basic html pages of the text part of the site. It's very neat, super cool way to browse the modern web on older machines.
Great instructions. Could you do a video on your Amiga setup describing the UI you're using and colour scheme etc. And any other utils you find useful.
I've had my amiga online using a bbs system with a dial-up modem recently but silly virgin-media changed my phone line through the wireless router so it made it look impractical now
Buy Roadshow and support the community :D
Agreed, it helps with a future roadmap for fixes and improvements in newer versions etc.
If you flipped the log pin headers over, could you pass them through both add-on boards? That might make it slim enough to just put some heatshrink around the whole thing. Of course it wouldn't be modular anymore.
The guy who runs the Action Retro YT channel has put up a search tool for ancient browsers at www.frogfind.com. This uses Firefox's Reader Mode to cut most of the crap out of web pages. I think Frogfind then may do some additional processing on the result to put out basic HTML that will work in extremely old browsers. So the search results are returned through Frogfind, and it becomes like a proxy until you enter a different URL. You can try it out on a modern browser as well.
The Wikipedia home page doesn't render in Frogfind, but if you put, e.g. wikipedia amiga in the Frogfind search box, the Wikipedia article on the Amiga will be at the top of the search results, and the articles render very readably.
I think now I'm going to have to get a PLIP Box.
God I miss the BBS days
I have the same monitor problem please make a video how to fix it
Great video.
How about making another one on software use with the plipbox?
Maybe about FTP and email programs, it's just a suggestion.
Also, do you know of any case for this that can be 3D printed?
Thanks! You can get 3D printed shells - but I am not sure where. I suspect you may find some open source ones on 3D printing websites where "user projects" are available for purchase. Shapeways is one for example - maybe they offer something?
@28.39 echo NOBURST....the most recent plipbox 0.6 ver i think says BURST is the default, and should be enabled to allow faster transfer times. so - why NOBURST? did i misunderstand the docs file?
It just wouldn't work at all on my 1200, until Burst was turned off! It might work on other Amigas?!? There are differences on the parallel port!
@@GadgetUK164 sounds right- it does work on my tk030-2 A500, oddly!
Tnx
I need someone like you to help me with my surf-squirrel. I'm on the English Amiga forum and I posed the question but it looks like no one has responded to that group even though there are people logged in. I really need someone who knows how to set these things up.
Never mind. I bought a 1230scsi board for my Blizzard 1260 accelerator board and had it going in 20 mins.
Lavoro fatto abbastanza bene
I thought that PCB looked familiar :-)
Is someone selling them or did you get the PCB made yourself?
=D It was donated to me by Keith McGerr!
Dial up 90's internet Yeh!!!
Cool device, any advantage or speed difference over a PCMCIA network card on a 1200?
Can be used if pcmcia is busy or absent 😄
Easier to get it. I’ve used slip router on ESP8266 and uart(this solution slower but cheaper and wireless).
Advantage over PCMCIA is you can use the PCMCIA for storage (which I do regularly), however the PCMCIA network cards are faster than the Plipbox.
Aaaah! Um yes I think I’ll keep the iPad and Android tablet for web browsing duties and Amiga for the floppy disk games 😩👍
There are other benefits - ie. WHDLoad tells you there's a new version, and as you start a game it tells you if there's an updated slave driver!
When I create the directory sana2 with makedir, i can´t change to it with "cd sana2:" ...
The : at the end is only required for a volume, not a directory! cd sana2 should change into the sana2 directory, if you are in the right directory when executing the command.
is it inappropriate to put this comment here? Footballs coming home!!!
plus love your channel
To Scotland? Since it was invented by Scottish men ;)
I am from the future! Football didn’t come home this time!
is the tcp stack running on amiga or the nano?
I believe its running on the nano! I read that one of the latest changes was to use the RAM in the nano for the stack.
@@GadgetUK164ok, I thought it was running in the Nano RAM like most systems with tcp/ip stack.
I could be wrong, but my guess is that there are IP stacks running on both. The Amiga uses PLIP (Parallel Line Internet Protocol), which is very similar to SLIP or PPP that was used for dial-up point-to-point connections back in the day, to talk to the Arduino, and the Arduino uses TCP/IP to communicate with the rest of the network over the Ethernet port.
Before the PLIP Box, you could make a PLIP cable and run it between the Amiga and a PC's parallel port, also running PLIP, and use the PC as a gateway onto the Internet. The PLIP Box just substitutes the Arduino for the PC.
@@joelavcoco ah nice explanation.
@gadgetUK164 Have you just invented Power over Parallel? 😉🤷♂️
Haha =D There's a risk of course, if you shorted the 5v pin to something when plugging or unplugging you could kill something. Also 5v over a distance will drop - so its only really suited to things like the plipbox.
Why is your router at 192.168.0.12? Normally, the router is the gateway so it goes to x.x.x.1.
x.x.x.1 is just a default that manufacturers tend to go with. I just don't conform lol!
No, there are networking "rules". Network is 0, router/gateway is 1, broadcast is 255. 2-254 is for everything else. But ok, I guess rules are meant to be broken.. :)
@@discoHR Yes, that's all they are - rules! You can do things that dont conform like that and it will still work.
Yes, I know. My ISP forces it's router to 254. It's like PTH caps on SMD pads (not a fan of it) but it works. :) It's just my OCD more than anything else, just ignore it. :)
There is definitely definitely no "rules" or RFC standards that say gateway's in a LAN must have the 4th octet be a "1" its just another host address in the subnet. Previous company of mine liked having it be "5" for default gateway, security through obscurity against the conventions, lol.
There is not a good way to hook an Amiga to the internet.
On a 1200 or lower It's the plipbox probably! It does work well tbh! For big box Amigas there are better solutions though - just using a good network card.