The Psychology of Elliot Rodger
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2014
- Kirk provides an analysis of the psychology of Elliot Rodger, the UCSB mass killer.
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One thing I noticed is a little bit of possible projection on his part. He basically saw women who went after this "brutish" guys for superficial and shallow reasons, yet in fact he did the same thing, to an extent, with women. He wanted the hot blondes and while he would say that he wanted "love" and such, notice that in most of his videos "sex" was always the first thing on the list of things he wanted. Just a little bit of a parallel I drew.
I noticed that too. Very based and shallow. He wanted a "trophy wife", so to speak.
this is something i've noticed is very common among incels claiming they want love from women but the women only want a guy that looks a certain way, but I feel like you only run into that problem CONSISTENTLY when you're going after someone for shallow reasons that they will go after people for shallow reasons
1:37:10 "as a mixed raced person myself, I always find it strange that people can't hold onto the notion that people can be BOTH things." OMG THIS IS SO FREAKING TRUE. 10000%. I'm also biracial and people have always wanted to make me choose a side, as if it is absolutely impossible to be both. It is SO frustrating..
It’s strange to me to say this as if you don’t realize that we live in a white supremacist society. Like the Obama example is weird bc biracial and mixed (most black Americans are mixed to some degree) ppl that are part black would never be acknowledged as white bc of false notions of white supremacy and white ppl being “pure”. That applies less so to biracial ppl of other races but is still a factor. So if you know the history of this country you should know exactly why ppl think this way....
Jeanine Finley I’ve never been to America and never lived there. It’s pretty dumb and ignorant of you to assume that I live in America. The world doesn’t revolve around your country.
Jeanine Finley I was only quoting what Dr.Honda said in the video and agreed with him.
When I read Elliot's manifesto, I kept wondering if he wrote it as a kind of manuscript for a film. That's how somewhat removed and even dramatized it sounded to me. His videos were like watching a movie with a bad actor reading lines in a cheesy, overacted scene. It was hard to take it seriously except that he actually acted out the fantasy. Especially his laugh seemed forced, like he was _trying_ to play the villain.
It's creepy because it comes across as fake and forced.
Nume Moon The VTech mass murderer also wrote a bizarre play, which I believe is on the Internet.
He sounds like Anakin in Star Wars, in terms of how unnatural and inhuman he sounds.
I was waiting for him to do the finger pyramid of evil.
5 years late but I’m listening. I heard you 👍.
Your unbiased assessment allows a person to see Elliot as a human being with severe emotional problems..It allows one to focus on some of the possible factors that led him to commit a horrendous crime without getting wrapped up in the crime itself. Most other assessments or news media reports online either slight the listener to brutality of the crime before it is revealed or cloud the assessment with either minimizing his paralyzing fears or presenting in such a way that one stops listening to what may have led to his crime because one starts to feel that trying to understand the complexity of his personality leads to feelings of guilt due to the brutality of the murders. Your way of assessing him allows the listener to separate the crime until the last possible moment and listen objectively. Very professional and insightful.
S Luzardo Thanks so much, Luzardo! That really made my day.
S Luzardo I totally agree with what you say.
Elliott was raised by his solo mom. Almost every one of these killers is raised and feminized by solo moms. They hurt inside for years and later break down completely. Elliot Rodgers has feminine characteristics. Women aren't attracted to feminized men. Santa Barbara slaying article: SINGLE MOMS RAISING MORE VIOLENT MEN www.wnd.com/2014/06/single-mom-households-create-more-violent-men/ "I knew that the killer was more than likely raised by a single mother. According to one of the biggest studies of its kind, researchers in Sweden found that children in one-parent homes are twice as likely as those in two-parent families to develop serious psychiatric problems and addictions later in life. ... The reality is, single female households are producing millions of violent male offenders. ... Fathers provide the spiritual love that is missing in the world today. Mothers - unless they have real love for their husbands - give an emotional love that creates an unhealthy need in boys and makes them subject to women." Solo moms are the perfect narcissistic environments where she eliminates the father, and then the mom takes almost anything she wants. Why would a child not behave like the mom? MASS KILLERS HAD FATHERLESS HOMES playlist ua-cam.com/play/PLNeNmjbdXyzIYU1KASSv4lB_8zO4FNhqp.html
Get help.
Yes Elliot was the Supreme Gentleman tormented by phonies he chose the path of the Knifer and the Gun Slinger became a Martyr for many Young Cats and lil ones Overhuman not Phonies those who will give meaning to the New Age
I also want to thank you for speaking on behalf of people with mild autism. We may be awkward at times, but we're generally not violent. We're too busy with our special interests!
+scottydawg1234567 You're very welcome!
+Heather Quinn Was Elliot's stepmother really evil is very confusing question because some people disprove it.
Elliot's "manifesto", might as well have been describing my life, as a child. In a nutshell, the reason he was not well socialized as a child and bullied as a teen, is simply due to the fact his parents didn't put much effort into socializing him, at the youngest possible age. He just never learned the skills to make friends. Bullies, DO NOT pick targets that have friends. LOL
People can blame his size or looks, but there are plenty of guys just like that and do very well in making friends and getting dates.
Basically, he'd been rather isolated his entire life and never really connected to anyone. Thus, no real feelings for anyone, except himself. So, it's easy to hate people when you have little idea or experience in even liking them.
He also had little experience with being successful at something. Thus, little connection to the future, particularly with a past completely void of positive experiences. He had nothing to look forward to.
Shea F. Kenny great point
Absolutely true. I was an extraordinarily shy child. I didn't talk to any of the other kids in preschool or kindergarten. My parents noticed this, and began talking to other parents in my neighborhood. One of them had a daughter, Susie, who was a year older than me and liked to ice skate. She was a sweet kid and agreed to help them get me to come out of my shell. It's amazing how kind and generous many children are, if you simply ask them to make friends with your child. I kind of understood that this friendship was a setup, but Susie was so nice to me, that I felt her friendship was genuine, and it was. We skated together several times during the winter, and I spent the night at her house a couple of times. I got to know her friends, and I had slumber parties at my own house. I was still shy, but in the process of these interactions, I learned some very basic social skills, like how to introduce myself to another child, how to ask if they wanted to ride bikes or skate with me, or visit at my house. This may sound simple to most people, but for shy kids, it doesn't come naturally. The other thing you mentioned, Shea, was being successful at something. It was a stroke of genius for the parents to have us skate together, because it was kind of an ice breaker, and skating is something a child can learn fairly easily in a day. I was zooming around the rink in just a matter of hours, and it felt so good to have my new friends praise me for my skills. From second grade onward, I was able to make friends on my own, and had a fairly normal childhood up until middle school. 7th grade was horrible. I went to a bad school with bullies who were allowed to run amok. This time, my parents didn't intervene and I had a rough time, all the way until my senior year of high school. I can tell you that on one point you are unfortunately mistaken- bullies do pick on kids who have friends, especially when the bullies join forces in a clique. The same kids who harassed me in middle school continued their attacks in high school. The only thing that really saved me was that I knew they were scumbags and their opinion of me wasn't anything that I internalized, I just wanted to be left alone. Once I graduated, I was fine and had a great social life with lots of good friends.
He was good looking and at least average height.. it definitely had absolutely nothing to do with that.
He said he had a 4" dick..... it's not as complicated as your making it...... it wasn't bearable for him to deal with the fact that he inherited all the worst possible genetic traits from both races he was made of.... the entitlement from his father, and the 4" mushroom cap from his Asian mother!!!! Bad mix
Good luck my man. Enjoyed your comment.
Elliot never tried to go out of his way to socialize. He expected that people should go to HIM, and that he shouldn't go out of his way to go to make friends with his own abilities. After listening the manifesto, it kinda becomes obvious that the only friends he had "made" were due to a 3rd party (family) getting them. Elliot had a huge ego, and all he EVER did was stroke in 'til next week.
You just dont steal a guy' s candles.
Ugh, I almost think that Elliott would have been better off if more people had kicked his ass for behavior like that.
@@caseyw.6550 who dares nowadays 😄 audiences would accuse you then of psychopathy 😄
elliot was definitely gay
when you explained people who gave up on school middle of sophomore year and gave up on everything I got chills because that's literally what i did.
Don't ever give up.... Pursue and work toward your goals.
Isn't it interesting that he hated his biracial make up? it's even more interesting that he brutally killed his Asian roommates with a knife and mutilated them beyond recognition. It's like he was trying to destroy the part of him that he hated, the Asian part.
@idoj654123 what the fuck did I just read
@DarthVader Yeah, it's our fault. Like everything else you don't like about reality. People of color are pathetic. Always blaming us for everything that's wrong in their life.
@@anonomous2221 If you're using porn as your meter for what and who are socially accepted i think there are other problems there.
@DarthVader Huh? Who paints asians in a negative way in the west? I've never seen such a thing, not even on TV. On the contrary. You always see attractive and smart asian men and women. I've always found asian people super attractive. So yeah, not sure about them being portrayed in a negative way.
Or maybe he thought using a gun in an apartment building would be noisier and more likely to attract police attention than using a knife. He wasnt done yet he had more people he wanted to kill before he was finished.
he could have been a writer and impress the interesting grills that enjoy literature
Oddly, the part of this that hit me the hardest when you talked about the lack of psychiatric beds. Living in NYC and having near daily exposure to the homeless populations, it's obvious so many of them have severe mental problems. The subway, particularly during the winter, becomes like a mobile homeless shelter because they can get warm for the price of a fare. It's sad.
+Body Without Organs You are a compassionate person. I like that.
I find it so interesting that Elliot uses quite a bit of language that you'd typically used to describe women. He's drop dead gorgeous, a gem amongst rocks and beautiful.
What with his preoccupation with not being jock or manly enough for the girls to like him, it is remarkable that he uses these attributes and his flowery language/purple prose to describe himself.
all short men claim to be 5'9 he was prob much smaller 5'9 seems to be the acceptable cut off point from being classed as "short".
I agree. Probably not taller than 5'6"
Men can be insecure about their height even if they're 5'11. Always trying to bump it up a bit when someone asks
its fucking disgusting how i have to start life as a child with traumatic experiences.
it is a crime for people to live a better life than me
Goddamn that is so fucking brilliant! I have added that to my list of favorite quotes.
That is exactly what Elliot was thinking I bet.
As a 1/4 Japanese man myself (down in Tacoma :) ), I really agree that his emphasis on his half-whiteness was a major issue, and possibly fueled subconscious self-hatred (I'm not a psychologist, just a history major at UWT, so idk). Whether we chalk it up to institutional racism or a variety of other factors, I'm not sure, but I think it's incredibly telling that he over-emphasized his white half, while simultaneously obsessing over blonde white women.
I think the biggest contributor to this whole mess though, was the failure on the part of the parents and the police. The parents really seemed to (as wealthier people) have a tendency to just throw money at their problems and expect them to go away.
Agreed, my hapa brother.
Meowy :3 I never heard he stabbed anyone! Is that mentioned in this video?!
@@PsychologyInSeattle I'm curious why we can't ignore our histories as you said in another comment thread? Sure, learn them neutraly, but move on. It is curious to me that in reading these comments, so much focus is on white people and whiteness. It is frighteningly apparent of late that current discrimination goes only one way and yet at the same time those people, (whites) the only ones being openly and actively discriminated against, are also the supremacists? Whites can neither celebrate their history or complain about past atrocities, but we must bathe in our past racial injustices? I find this deeply disturbing. I'm Asian myself, and looking at this objectively, I think it is a divisive narrative sold to so many of us living in the West. This mythic systemic racism is being fueled by us, indulging in our negative histories and projecting it onto the white boogeyman. In essence, we are creating a huge problem. I'm not sure how we can fix these angry kids by continuing on this path. The actions of individuals need to be judged either without allusion to race, or we accept that there are racial differences in behaviour objectively however uncomfortable this is for everyone and without screaming 'Racism!'. To do so would mean your analysis is incomplete without addressing Elliots genetic psychological make up. Without it, this assessment is incomplete. Either racial traits exist in addition to racial histories and we discuss them honestly, factually and empirically or they don't (as we are taught when it is uncomfortable) and then should not be included. I hope this doesn't sound too critical, as I did find your analysis to be quite fair and multifaceted but I'm uncomfortable with the overall takeaway I feel many commentors left with, though doubtless I will be castigated for typing this. Anyway, finally, I posted this comment on this thread to make a point, that if we answered a comment saying "Agreed my White brothers" it would make everyone uncomfortable even angry. The cumulative subconscious absorption of the messages we receive daily is very dangerous. We either stop this and be honest or maybe we do need to forget the past entirely to prevent future Elliots fueling their rampages with inherited grievance.
His Father wasn't always rich he was when Elliot was a child and they sent him to therapists and arranged play dates for him. However when his father made his documentary film which was after 9/11 it was entirely self funded and almost bankrupted the father this was around the time he started college both his grandmothers were helping him and his mother to fund his education.
He also says at one point that he never got on with his sister the only other full sibling nor did he like his Step Mother who he treated very poorly. He got on with his young half brother but grew jealous of his superior social skills so decided to kill his half brother to prevent him growing up and out reaching the elder brother. He says to achieve that he would have to also kill the step mother and wanted to pick a day when his father was working away because he didnt feel he could slaughter his father also.
Maybe because you're a Eurasian yourself as well, but I'm glad that you picked up on what a big role his perceptions of racial hierarchies played in shaping his anxieties about himself and how he might have felt (un)worthy to the 'other' - particularly of the Whites that he put on a pedestal. I think it is perceptive that you asked the question about what kind of 'trauma' he might have underwent in England - I would like to offer the opinion that this trauma wasn't some kind of domestic abuse, but environmental. He left at five years old, right? So, this was around the time when the UK and China were really (acrimoniously) hashing out the handover of Hong Kong - the UK's last 'glorious' colony, the obscure backward fishing rock that Britain 'made glorious' with their 'benign and skillful rule'. If you look back at the rhetoric at the time (and UK's news reporting and political theatre is ubiquitous, and the UK public loves a good armchair debate even in public spaces), you would find that the topic was very ethno-politically charged, and extreme opinions would have got bandied about a lot. He would have been exposed to this, and probably would have paid close attention, being essentially a person of both sides - unable to understand the nuance and taking in only a very reductive understanding. It would have been impossible even for a young boy like him not to have internalised a significant amount of the negativity about the Chinese in the prevalent rhetoric. When I read his manifesto recently, it struck me right away how he glorified blonds already at such a young age. The kids he wanted to bond with and play with were the blond ones (the girl in the tub, James the kid he described as a blond knight kicking dust). And this theme would continue into his attraction only to blond women - the women that he saw held up in the film industry (to which his family was closely linked to) as the gold standard in trophy women, desired and coveted by men all around the world - even in non-white cultures around the world that are racist (like Japan or China). It was as if he was rejecting the 'aberrant' side of his mixed ethnicity, the side that he perceived as possibly partly to blame for his lack of attractiveness to (blond) women. The fact that the people he killed with a knife were all Asian... it feels more personal, representing an act of annihilation of a side of himself that he found disgusting somehow. The people he gunned or mowed down with a car were the ones he was jealous of or felt rejected by - the people he was symbolically 'knocking off their pedestals'. That was the thought that struck me the most.
eurasianjes Interesting hypothesis! I never thought of that.
+eurasianjes It's a coincidence that the people he killed with a knife were all Asians. They are just happened to be his roommates. He chooses to stab them because it is more silent that way. He gunned and mowed down the people on the street because it is quicker and safer that way. Obviously he has some trauma related to blondes. On the other hand, blonde girls are mostly the bimbos. So the girls he called "blondes" might be the symbol of so-called bimbos. As we can see he is particularly disgusted by that model of girls behavior.
There's a lot of fake blonds out there, more than real ones.
He was an incel and incels are often racist aswell as misogynistic his flaying fantasy's come from his liking of the game of thrones charector Ramsey Bolton. He even used the charectors name for his world of warfare charector. However both Elliot and his father say his early life in England was his happiness time, maybe it was the relocation at five away from the country he lived in and his extended family who lived closely to what must have seemed an alien world that damaged him worsened perhaps by the divorce and the fact that both his parents constantly relocated several times after that and not all the places he lived with his mother and sister met his high standards either through size or location.
28:44 Elliot never worked and said in his manifesto he considered retail jobs "beneath him.' Great analysis. Subbed :)
let's be honest, retail jobs are beneath superior people like me so people like you need to fill in the gaps somewhere
This is the best video (audio) I've come across on this subject. Thank you!
The thing that shocked me is that Elliot killed himself. Narcissists usually don't want to die. Perhaps he was 'cheating the system' of prosecuting him by killing himself. Some twisted power play.
A narcissist wouldn't kill for revenge or any other emotion except maybe personal enjoyment. This guy was bitter, depressed and vengeful. I think he is more of an anti-social personality type with some megalomania (bipolar)
Prison is filled with all the brutish alpha males he hated so much. He couldn't exist there. I think even a narcissist would opt out of that potential outlook.
Here's the problem, Elliot was a pineapple seed planted in the wrong environment, like in the Appalachian mountains, California is home to many rude and toxic and obnoxious human beings, here in Pittsburgh it's like less than half of that. I have the same disorder as this kid and we are not meant for people like that. Elliot was chasing the wrong women and his dad should have thought more about his son than his career. In that case, don't have kids if you are gonna dedicate your life to your career.
You can imagine if he was an amish, hasidic jew or muslim where there is arranged marriage and the girls waited he wouldn't have had a problem. Environment matters.
Neo
Those cultures all suck. What he needed was his parents to not be sex fiends and for his parents to have love and take care of him
@TheSeductiveArts obviously not but he did need some sort of intimate love you stop getting at a certain age lol
He does say that he was a surprise baby mother was taking birth control and because of an illness the birth control failed and resulted in his conception.
I've heard quite a few opinions on Elliot Rodger from people I generally regard rather highly, and I have to say that this was by far the most enlightened opinion I've heard yet. You addressed all the issues I was having with the various arguments of others, you made some great points I hadn't even considered. Very well done. I'll definitely be sharing it.
Sorry everyone I know this is long. But Since we were all interested in this case...because it just felt so "off" and "unsolved."
I just watched the Barbara Walters interview with Elliot's dad. Here are some notes I took. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts.
The Columbine mother did an interview recently. She said that she loved her son, what she loved about their memories when he was very young...then she painfully took the responsibility towards the public about the brutal acts he committed. She said it was horrific and she is not running from the scrutiny. She is grieving for the victimss and the son she knew. That makes sense in all the severity.
Elliot's dad said... he wished he had never been born...even though barbara presented a way for him to explain why he did and did not. That is not being accountable for the victims or trying to prevent future mass murders awareness. Which I thought was his reason for the whole interview to begin with. I feel the same emotionless vibe in father and son. I know it may have been shock. But it feels like that is more his personal style.
elliot rodgers father states to barbara walters in almost teeth clenching tone. He was jealous of my looks. He really did not pause when he was asked that and respond humbly like most parents... with oh I do not think there was anything to be jealous of at all or etc..
he keeps repeating with hand gestures this is a "horror story"! It does not appear like fatherly sorrow, too cinematic. More disgust and anger at his “forceful public attachment to this child.”
I do not see evidence of past happy memories forcing disbelief and sobbing. His behavior looks very angry that this is affecting his “name” and his image.
Elliot's writing and verbal articulation, while communicating feelings to videos seems too intelligent for this public diagnosis of mental illness. I mean do some real research these mental disorders they keep throwing around are serious and effect families everywhere. The negative attention it labels people who are diagnosed with these mental disorders is absoulte BS!!! It's not something to throw around. Insurance and medical support is not enough for families effected by Asperger's...etc. Rather than buy your son in obvious hell a bmw or prostitute... get him checked by several professionals and take time from traveling till you see improvements. I am not saying he did not suffer a disorder. But I feel the research was not thorough enough to properly diagnosis. They should also screen the parents for any possible hereditary traits or disorders. Perhaps it wasn’t hereditary at all but both parents are alive and could participate for any psychological assistance to shed light.
Dad using such words as “Weird!” when speaking of his son... makes me have this feeling like Elliot was never good enough for him. Narcissism if even present at all may have originated from his father’s personality demeanor. Dad seemed to speak to others without much care for how people reacted to his words.I really see no true empathy on dad's face. I can only imagine how this made his kids feel alone even when he was physically present. I bet the words “injustice” and such terms might have been used a lot at home by his father explaining daily things...never thinking it would remain in Elliot's mind.
I am not saying the parents committed the crimes themselves. But they can not use the camera and interview to their advantage. I do not see a single inkling of ownership in how his son felt so pained. Dad could have began in humility saying I was not the best dad. I am so sorry to everyone. I was always busy and did not show him love/discipline.
I feel the family may have passed him off to the life coach and a nice car to escape the giant caution sign in front of them. If Elliot was this obvious to strangers on youtube that something was very wrong the way he saw society…. family must have knew much more than they let on. I saw no real affection in those family photos… when pictures are taken without an actual count down you should see mirroring affection and love in the people. Laughter….etc… I saw no real mirroring between Elliot and his dad in pictures…even in youth. I see detachment and obligation.
I am no pro here. I am just sharing some thoughts as I reflect, I think if we are searching for real answers…we need to examine dad and son, dad and mom, then why is there nothing of his mom here. What is the story on how she reacted in his defense or how she maintained contact between husband and new family after the divorce?
When I watch his homemade videos for youtube…I can not help but feel he is subconsciously mocking his father as cold, possibly playboy image and condescending.
Like I said I do not want to offend anyone. But the truth is everyone wants to know why? I think there is a possibility it wasn’t his hate for women that he created on his own. I think it started in what he saw as a young boy. It grew later out of control. He states Elliot Rodger…here…his full name like he is programmed into seeing his family introduce “who” they were… how they stood out from others.
I welcome any other ideas… I just started to brainstorm and thought I would share. Anyways thanks for hearing my thoughts. Again sorry this is so long. But I was inspired by this Podcast to think deeper.
Criminal Profiling Inc you have some good insights with your observations but your thinking is totally blocked by your social programing and your grovelling to power and authority. Elliot had full blown autism in early childhood as can be seen in the photos. Every single one of you people miss this. You speak about putting blame but here you are with full hindsight not able to or refusing to see it. You can see the father in the early pictures with his autistic son. The father has a narcissistic personality type but what did he do with it? He went to Hollywood and made tons of money. He pays loads of taxes to support all your phony quacks and hires your quacks to diagnose and help him with his son. Elliot was put on Xanax! Where the hell are you on this? That is the murders right there. You people turn on the parents but ignore the murdering malpractice and psychiatric abuse. Sigmund Freud was right about you people. And much of what Elliot had was the secondary sexual psychological emotional delays and blockages that were the result of his delayed development and displaced life timeline. Elliot was the Elvis of our generation.
xanax and drinking with it makes it worse coz it just amplifies the drunken effects of that drug. we have never taken xanax or anything like that and dont want to. it's weird. elliot was talking to us on the internet. elliot never talked and stayed in his room and rarely left and if he went to someone's house he'd run off and hide. ? he's crazy. no one ever noticed this. a kid who never speaks- some are shy though. but he never spoke ever. for his dad to say that, too- shows that he missed something - a sign that the kid had serious problems maybe. coz he said his son was unknowable - obviously because he never talked. xanax is kinda like valium and we saw someone who took this for years. maybe it began with a stressful job- not sure. elliot was on a level to where he could have asked britney out! he shoulda tried. madonna probably would not go out with him though. who knows. he could have asked her out, too seems like. medicine might kinda have helped him and it seems that he knew he needed it or something. but he did not take it. if you do not get help from medicine and around you should find some help somewhere. just strange. he lied and didn't learn that it's something. kids lie when they are very little because they learn learn their words can have consequences so it seems he was stuck in controlling people around him with lies/ words stage like a small child. too bad he shot himself in the head so they couldn't study his brain possibly to see if maybe htey can see something wrong with his brain. we need to get facts not reach for straws or things you can't prove. his parents did this or that. he had lotsa help in schools but no one diagnosed him with mental illness or much of anything. but they want him in normal classes coz he was smart. but maybe they need help more. there's no diagnosis of autism or anything. he's a royal and they married their cousins out there for like 2 400 years up until recently. ? so some of them european royals were crazy people. weird people. and we believe it has some effect on them to this day- it only recently stopped. they are high strung people. 5'-9" 135 lbs. is not small. it's way larger than we are. we're petite sizes - other day someone said we were tiny. well they have always said this about us. he has problems with not viewing his size as normal when it is average. we used to think you had to have a totally flat stomach like on TV... no matter how much we dieted we never were that way - it is not our body type! not everyone is 6' tall and when we were kids we thought they were coz our folks were tall. we're petite sizes! 6' tall is in the big and tall sizes actually- it is above average size in height. some people do have very flat stomachs. just because of TV. he is very innocent and in ? speech he was very sweet / soft spoken or outspoken online but ? whatever the teachers were saying was right on that. trusting maybe bright eyes big eyes- hard to explain. but imagine if he never went out of his room or talked then finally did- he is different acting kinda maybe. we feel that he seemed kinda sweet and innocent - presenting himself but he didn't know how to seduce women. there were many signs and they knew he was dangerous and no one did anything. they could have done soemthing. even the room mates could have made some calls. it really is military tactical warfare at that point. they knew he was dangeorus. but were in there until they could move out so they should have slept in a shelter or anywhere until they could move out really. make calls and maybe someone could get him help of some sort. get the guns away from him.
Seems almost certain to me that there was some very weird dynamic between him and his father.I find your observations spot on!
wow, this comment thread is interesting. Going to leave a comment for future replies.
White supremacy was issue...he wanted to be white so he could be with blonde white girls who didnt want him.
Please allow me, a Chinese, to express my great respect towards you for acknowledging the war crimes the Japanese army committed in China during WWII (1:39:40). I also find your analysis of racism and misogyny very convincing. Only by confronting the past and the present reality with this kind of candor can we hope to effect any substantial social change and to avoid similar atrocities in the future.
Thanks for the kind words! You made my day. Yes, we should never forget or ignore historical and current atrocities.
I remember listening to this years ago and I had to listen again. I’m a psychology major and I’m a senior, I’ll soon have my bachelors. Listening to this was so interesting.
Hi there. I really enjoyed your podcast. It's the first one of yours I've listened to and I've added it to my favourites simply because, so far, it's the only online commentary on Elliot Rodger I've come across that addresses questions about his psychology, the killing spree that occurred and other relevant issues in a way that is honest, insightful, interesting and thought provoking as well as fair, balanced and even handed, while still being human, if that makes sense. Thank you very much for this. I hope you coped alright with discovering those news items you mentioned toward the end of your show. I imagine that would have been both bizarre and shocking and also disconcerting. Best of luck. I'll have a listen to any other podcasts you may have uploaded. Thanks again. It was truly refreshing.
Katrina
Why do people get targeted for bullying? I was bullied as a student, then as a teacher. It was bad enough for me to quit.
Don't be afraid to ask for help. As far as bullying goes, it's usually done by people out of insecurity or frustration. You'll notice that many bullies come from families in which there is a lot of drama. (Examples: alcoholic parents, verbal/physical abuse etc.) That and kids are just really mean.
People want the feeling of belonging to something, the easiest way to do that is to make other people feel left out.
Another video of yours that makes me terrified of screwing up my child. 😬
Great analysis. Fascinating to hear from the point of view of a professional. I also commend you on trying to be as unbiased as possible.
Elliott did show attachment to a park in USA. He made a video about a park where he was happiest as a child with his family. Weirdly so. so I don’t think it was the move, but spot on with the divorce and hatred for the new step mother.
I would hesitate to date a guy who's only quality was the possession of designer sunnies...
* wouldn't *
It's actually pretty sad, he didn't really understand that just because expensive sunglasses were so important to *him* doesn't mean other people give a shit lol. I think he had mental difficulties from an early age.
I feel like you hesitate to date a lot of guys
@Greg Pincus yes he was😛
Dude, tell that to my $600 Louis Vuitton sunnies, Armani is for noobs.
Thanks for the analysis! I'll be checking out your other work
The part where he flips out just because he saw a couple when with his father was a huge red flag. Surely his father should have know his son was seriously dangerous at that point?
One interesting thing about his manifesto and racism: In the beginning of his manifesto, he doesn't appear racist at all. He talks quite fondly of his old nannies of which most are foreigners (one was German, one was African-American and two were Asian if I recall) but only later starts to show racist tendencies (mainly his comparisons between him as Eurasian and Mexicans/African-Americans and getting 'white girls')... almost as if his racist views developed (and then intensified) alongside his psychological problems. And why not? The thoughts of racists (one particular race being 'better' than others) perfectly fits the thought model of narcissists. Couldn't it be that Elliot wasn't an actual racist but just found racism and its theories to be fitting enough to his own narcicisstic worldview, so that he adopted them?
I liked the common sense logic you applied towards the end of the video relating to his parents. Obviously he was one of many disturbed possibly neglected youth, no excuse for his crimes though.
Thanks!
Thanks so much!
Saying you're a feminist really attracts a lot of weirdos to express their indignation
I welcome the indignation because it gives me the opportunity to present the positions of the majority of feminists, not what the internet focuses on, which is a minority of so-called feminists. Feminism is a thoughtful, respectful field that endeavors to reduce the negative effects of sexism for everyone, including men.
It's mostly just willful ignorance, taking the most ridiculous claims made by feminists and applying it to a whole range of thought. If they truly cared about understanding feminism they wouldn't instantly find it reflexively impulsive. I guess you must have a lot more patience than I do, maybe it comes from working in your field?
Also, I really enjoyed your video and gave me a different perspective on Elliot Rodger, I'm looking forward to listening your other podcasts.
Actual thoughtful responses towards feminism on youtube? what?
@@PsychologyInSeattle thank you for posting this video and shedding light on this topic
I appreciate the time and well thought out process you used to discuss this case. Thank you for providing references with facts without forcing a particular disorder. I am sure you can agree the information available has been difficult to see clearly. I have been studying this case as well. I am pursuing a career in the Criminal Profiling field. I appreciate how in depth this conversation was and encouraged the listener to formulate their own opinion. I could not base anything solid on the TV interviews, which were throwing around psychology terms loosely while telling us who to blame. I can appreciate this approach more. Much appreciated... well said.
+Criminal Profiling Inc Thanks! That means a lot to me.
+Psychology In Seattle :) no problem! I was wondering do you have any theories on possible PTSD related to Elliot Rodger? I observed the father's side and could not see anything on the mother...just short statements. Aside from hereditary potential, do you feel any verbal or physical abuse could have agitated the anxiety? You mentioned possible trauma... I was wondering are their any intelligent theories you have seen in your research? Lol not including the conspiracy theories. Just brainstorming. Aloha!
I am now going to listen to your Elliot Rodger and the Media. I did have a flag about the father speaking so publicly about taking his son to prostitution in Vegas. Interesting!
+Criminal Profiling Inc It's been a while since we researched his history. I'm guessing you know more about his childhood than we do. But yes, it seems likely that there were relationship difficulties in his past.
Wow you sound just like another favorite UA-camr of mines, Scott Reisch from Crime Talk. Kept my attention the whole time!
I'm so glad i found your podcast! You make 100% sense. I'm gonna keep on listening for sure. Subbed!🤗
Thanks, Susan!
In dutch we have a saying that roughly translates to: The inkeeper will trust his guests to be like he is. I wonder if thats where his social anxiety came from, expecting other people to think like he did, in which case it makes perfect sense to be scared of them.
Hey fellow Dutchie, what saying are you referring to? Just curious
There is a sociology theory right now that a lot of the shooters currently are male because of the reaction towards a perceived threat to their idea of masculinity. I can't help but think of this case every time I read it
I just ran across your channel, listened to several posts (so far) & really think it’s great. Thank you for the time and energy you put into your work!
Ha! I remember this video and your subscribe base was small. And now you grow a bit. Good job
Elliot was an extreme narcissist who believed women saw his supreme greatness but rather than fall at his feet and worship him and give him sex, they rejected him out of spite so he needed to get revenge.
I listened to your whole video and i loved it, im exited to watch more of your video! Subbed
very well presented, great video, thanks!
Wow, very comprehensive! This is enjoyable as listening to an enthralling audiobook!
One thing I think is also worth mentioning, and I don't think this falls underneath misogyny -- the ideals that our society places upon masculinity.
We live in a culture where if you're a virgin after a certain point, that is frowned upon, particularly if you're a guy. We live in a culture where the masculine ideal is to, not necessarily be a male slut, but to have the ability to engage in casual hookups with girls. We live in a culture where male sexual prowess and sexual conquests are glorified.
During my 20's, I was very self-conscious about being a virgin. I wouldn't say I ever felt entitled to sex, like Elliot Rodger, but I always felt depressed that whenever I had dates or made efforts to go on dates with girls, things never went anywhere. The feedback I always got from my friends, both male and female, was that I was "harmless". The truth is, while I didn't have a lot of motivation to actually have sex with girls, as a male, I always felt very ineffective, broken and damaged. I felt that there was something wrong with me because I wasn't having sex like my other male peers were. It was like I was the only guy who hadn't hit puberty yet, metaphorically speaking.
Thanks for the kind words, Steve! And thanks for sharing your experience. Yes, that's an angle I hadn't considered. Good point. Given the weird way our society emphasizes sex, I can imagine how difficult that must've been for you.
+RLSteve i'm turning 30 somewhere on 2016 and I never have sex before either lol. I masturbate sometimes only. people call me a wizard lol. u are a wizard! it was a joke people say when u are a virgin and hit certain age like 3o or more. I feel flatter and proud when people call me a wizard lol.
he was not mysogeny. we feel like we seen a lot of that stuff going on. we even had a book that talked about that. we had saved the article or pages from the book but someone may have yes it was thrown in the trash or stolen. but no reason to save it coz you know what it is when you read it and see it. just crazy people.
That's actually one of the lead theories in sociology right now as to why most shooters are male
Elliot was an Incel. Involuntary celibate.
Great podcast and research. Personally, I think that people find it easier to deal with and process mental illness when it has a name and a face so to speak. It's something I've gone through in my own experiences with mentally ill people close to me. I wanted to be able to point to something and say this is what is wrong with them. Really it isn't that simple and I can appreciate that you look at the symptoms holistically rather than simply trying to fit it into a category.
Hi Mr Kirk Honda
I am interested in psychology and as I am learning English I am looking for something both interesting and good to understand. You are explaining everything very well and in addition to it your voice is well-sounding. So I managed to listen to this one in 2 days and now I am eager to find some more to learn about psychology.
Cheers
Krissy
***** Thanks, Krissy!
+Krissy Maier I recommend not to go that route. choose a different proffesion.
I just discovered your channel, this is very interesting
Can’t believe this discussion is 3 hours long 😮
Loved this podcast. Thanks for uploading.
I just discovered your channel and am so glad I have. Such an interesting, common-sense analysis. The use of jails and prisons as psychiatric treatment centres is deeply disturbing. Aside from violent crime prevention, it is deeply unfair to not provide treatment to people who are nothing more than ill.
+dickclements Agreed! Thanks for the kind words.
I think his dad did something to him. He's unusually non emotional when they interview him regarding his son. It's almost just as chilling as watching this kid's last youtube videos right before the mass killing.
Just listening. What a good podcast! It gave me a lot of perspective. Keep doing this.
maybe if he had to deal with the adversities he potentially was facing rather than moving to a new school everytime...then maybe he would have been good for him. In my opinion, he was an entitled piece of shit due to his parents catering to his every whim and complaint.
As a student interested in forensic psyvhology, I found the case of Elliot Roger quite compelling. I even read some of his book to get his point of view. I found this video very informative about his case! Also, have you read his book/story?
Thanks! I haven't read his book/story, but it sounds interesting.
Psychology In Seattle Here's the link, just in case yo wanted to find it. :) abclocal.go.com/three/kabc/kabc/My-Twisted-World.pdf
Amiirah Nuur Of course he didn't read it, why let the mans own words cloud and sway his uninformed psychological assessment.
Very interesting and informative. Thank you.
Will you do an analysis like this on the Nova Scotia shooter?
I love your commentary on all of this. Found me a new podcast.
Thanks, Dan!
As someone who is starting a career in mental health and addictions I think it is high time we stop using labels and pattered behaviour to identify mental ilness and look at each action as a piece to the puzzle. If snaction is more narcissistic then misogynist then it gets filed under there. Then we tell the individuals what their main behaviour patterns fall under and go from there.
'YOU NO CANDLE TAKE!' now where have I heard that before? LOL
Very nice m8. How did I missed your canal for so long? Loved the part where you criticize DSM and diagnosis. I have a feeling that a lot of non-psychologists don't understand that and that they see mental illness just as they look at others, medical... I am psychology student (2 exams to become one actually) in Serbia. Hope that that one mass killing is not the only thing you know about Serbia because that would be just really bad PR :D
Thanks! Yes, many of my colleagues see DSM labels as medical fact which is silly.
Ha! I know lots of stuff about Serbia - didn't a Serbian start WWI? So, I know 3 Serbians - the guy who started WWI, the mass killing guy, and you. ;-)
Nice try dude. I watched your video on trolling and must say that I have a bit of knowledge and practice on field my self so.. :D
“Mountains of skulls, rivers of blood” goddamn 💀
Also am I the only one who can't take his words seriously after he makes that stupid fake evil laugh? Its almost as if he made an evil mc evil dude character in his head and he eventually bought it
I lost it at the part where he sprayed orange juice through a watergun at the college students playing kick ball
One of the comment above pointed out that was a reference from WoW
Thanks for upload. Tremendously interesting.
Personally I think it was because of his family breaking up. You know it's not a surprise that the vast majority of serial killers / spree killers come from divorced families, or families with maternal problems.
For example Bundy grew up with family maternal problems, as did most other serial killers.
I have watched thousands of hours worth of material and what I have noticed is that in 80% of cases the family has suffered a divorce or some other family relationship problem such as the father or mother been caught in an affair.
It seems to me getting a divorce truly messes up children more than we know.
It was a real shame about Elliot because he was actually a very good looking young man who seemed intelligent, he even had a sense of humour.
Thanks for pod cast.
Amazing post cast
Thanks!
This is the first video that has made me actually feel bad for the guy. I think so many awkward, sensitive immigrant children have similar experiences. His reactions are infuriating and heartbreaking all at once. It didn’t have to end so darkly. What a sad direction...
What muddies the misogyny point is that ER hated both women he desired AND men who were successful in dating/sex. He wanted to "take revenge" on both of those broad groups. He hated men almost if not equally as much as women.
I firmly believe that if Elliot Rodger kept working on being a better skater, he would've achieved his goal of attracting the kind of girls he wanted. Girls are attracted to boys with skills, and the subsequent status it brings. Why do you think young men get into stuff like gangs, street racing, graffiti, sports, musical bands, dj'ing et al.? Part of it is the groupie subculture that exists in those realms.
I watched the full 2.75 hours, great analysis!
Thanks!
Maybe he always displayed an air of grandiosity in his personality. It would make sense as he was intimidated by kids bigger than him. Bigger kids meant that he couldn't be his normal narcissistic self without being chastised, ostracized, or flat out pummeled by his peers, causing him to withdraw socially and not be able to relate and connect with others.
Everything he says or writes feels like it came from a bad lifetime movie script
Perspicacious and professional analysis. I subscribed. It would be really useful if you could structure your analysis in future anlayses. There is so much content here that it helps the casual listener to follow where you are going.
As an aside, Eliott's bizarre stories are quite believable.
Thanks!
I really enjoyed listening to your valuable analysis of the Elliot's case it's a professional and explicit way to look at this case it ' s very educative I learn so much from it. Thank you. You are a master.
Jasmine Abatal Thanks!
By far the most well spoken and reasonable feminist I have ever come across
Interesting video, I thought at times you drew out a little bit of the information not regardless Elliot but overall your a good speaker and this was a good listen when i was doing stuff around the apartment.
Thanks!
The psychologist says: "Are women treated unfairly in America? Yes. I can provide plenty of research that proves that women are treated differently than men." Can someone please point me to some of this research? One that would not fall under the "feminist science" but rather the "regular science" category?
Good question. It's actually difficult to find. Researchers are not great at communicating their findings with the public or the media. But it's a well-known phenomenon in many, if not all, societies. People are often treated differently based on their gender, men and women.
+Psychology in Seattle I may not have made it entirely clear in my comment but let me try to clarify now: I do not doubt that women get treated differently in pretty much all the cultures across the globe. Of course, they are. They have different biologies. They are better at some things (like compassion, on average), men are better at other things (they can lift heavier objects, on average, and their intelligence distribution has heavier tails when compared to the one of women). However, that, IMO, does not automatically mean they are treated "unfairly". In fact, men's rights organisations have plenty of examples (even in your legal system) where women are actually given advantage over men just because they are women. And the examples of "female oppression" that feminist organisations love to show are mostly flawed (e.g. the 77 cents on man's 1 dollar comes from a flawed and disputed paper and whatever truth is left of it gets massively misinterpretted by feminists which only shows how bad they are with statistics). So what I would love to actuallly see is some solid research with data points proving that women are indeed treated _unfairly_ (not just differently) in societies.
Hey, I really liked your podcast. You’re really easy to listen to.
Thanks!
Did you read his manifesto? He answers a lot of the questions you're posing. Such as the connection to Xanax. He describes how he eats a bunch of it and drinks liquor before he kills himself.
Xanax is valuim. A guy once told us to stay away from that stuff. Someone we saw using drugs (dopehead) he's steal those pills and take them. A lot of big time drug addicts will steal pills if they get a chance. He said to stay away from it. elliot got it prescribed so somethign was going on they a gave it but he went over the deep end and never told that he had suicidal thoughts to anyone and kept it secret till the last minute. we dont like how they do that. that's backwards. they do this always*. we have never taken xanax. they hide it like they're scared and hiding something but once they kill themselves that's so outweighing any reason they had to hide those plans so well and put the emails out at the last minute like that so no one can help them. so what are they scared of? they put out their hidden manifesto's and run off from their hiding place and so something like that.
Dina Charlayne while in the same family of drugs & with very similar effects Valium is not Xanax. They are two different medications.
7 minutes in and it couldn't be clearer for me to subscribe XD
Thanks, Friki!
@@PsychologyInSeattle It's a ridiculously underrated analysis of the entire Elliot Rodger case and persona. It's so sad that you have so few views while other people who don't grasp even 10% of this get much more attention.
Aw, thanks. I don't mind having few views. I don't do this for the numbers. (Says someone with few views) ;)
also, seeing whites as more attractive is not racism.
It's a preference. If i don't see other men as attractive I'm not a homophobe.
I'd like to disagree. Race is socially constructed, so an aversion to the sexual characteristics of someone from another race thats the sex you're attracted to is probably learned behavior
Frédéric Acord Is being Gay a learned behavior? What about deformed or morbidly obese people, Is it a learned behavior to not find them attractive?
Race is not a social construct, Black people are called black people because they have Darker skin. It is an observation anyone can make.
The Fat Punisher thanks for showing me how much an absolute idiot you are
Frédéric Acord Nice lackluster argument.
"I'll just call him an idiot for no reason, that will prove how right I am."
Actually makes you look like an idiot.
+Frédéric Acord now we are all friends here theirs no need to insult each other
hey i really liked your podcast! thanks for sharing your views :) i'm just hearing the audio-book of "my twisted world" and stumbled across an incident in Roger's childhood which matches with your question about his relation to his mother: apparently she promised him only one week before his parents divorse that they would never get divorsed and he felt really relieved when she told him that. I think it must have been a huge shock for him to see them get divorsed, and his mothers incapability to fulfill her promise shortly. he tells to have been extremly angry and disapointed because of that.. i found that this seemed to have big influence on him and how he saw the world.
+Hasbara Arabsah Interesting. Thanks for the info!
A very brilliant and thorough analysis
Thanks, Tia!
I really wish Elliot had lived. Interviewing him would have been priceless-ly significant for forensic psychology, and it would have been a fascinating trial. I believe he definitely would have committed suicide in custody eventually though
I'm 54 minutes in and this is a great listen. I love the American Psycho references. I can really see the resemblance.
Thanks!
As a society we have kind of brought this on ourselves. This guy didn’t just invent these warped ideas. College is supposed to be about having sex...the ultimate goal in life is to get laid a lot...superficial popularity and looks are all that matter. Elliot Rogers could respond to us with that classic joker line “I’m not a monster. I’m just ahead of the curve.”
Hi Kirk (subscribed)! - Very interesting point @ 51:30 (ish). I knew that Elliot was an "unreliable narrator" when it came to his interpretation/perception of the social interactions/how others viewed him/how he viewed himself/etc - - however, it NEVER crossed my mind that his manifesto contained "pure fiction" (whether it was "intentional" or not)....Last comment: I always found Elliot's splashing of his coffee on his "enemies" (and subsequent flight) to be endearing in an odd way.
Thanks, Lee! Interesting thoughts.
Can you please do a follow up with this. There's new information with the leaked emails between him, his mum, dad and stepmum.
Great video! I really did enjoy it and I like how reasonable you are, which is why I feel the need to take up one point with which I had an issue. I find it troubling that you say it’s a good point that if people decide to kill, they will find a way to do it regardless of whether they have guns or not. This is a logical fallacy, since it’s bullets that kill people in a mass shooting, not determination. Let me explain so I can hopefully change your mind: since guns are designed to kill people, they are therefore very effective at it. So comparing a knife and a gun is pretty ludicrous on the face of it. Consider the Las Vegas shooting for example. No way could the shooter have even begun to kill that many people with any method outside of the bump stock and rifle he used.
Not to mention, you mentioned two examples disproving this fallacy in your own video. Elliot himself used a knife, but he did so while the roommates were sleeping. This shows that to kill with a knife, he chose to do it while they were vulnerable, knowing like we all do that knives, though quieter, are less effective at killing people than simply pulling a trigger (and having bullets for more). Furthermore, you mentioned that in the terror attack on the train, four people were stabbed and I think 24 were wounded. This also disproves the “where there’s a will there’s a way” logical fallacy because as you can see it is far more difficult to kill a large number of people with a knife than it is with a gun, whose design is to kill effectively.
Now I agree that guns in America are not going anywhere, and I myself own a .357 revolver. But at the same time I’m not opposed to good sense gun control, and I think you should reconsider your position that knives and guns are in anyway comparable in an attack. I can’t fathom why this argument has been so effective for the First Amendment crowd, but then again trying to fathom the modern world is pretty much a fool’s errand IMO.
Can you please do an episode the psychology of Chris Watts? Thank you in advance!
Greetings from Czech Republic
I know from my own experience that not being to get a date/intimate female attention for long time is very frustrating to the point, that i considered suicide and two therapists that i visited did't help me with that (I was very shy) One told me to ask out less attractive girls (Didn't work because I wasn't THAT picky and attractivity of girl didn't matter with my shyness) and other told me, that that i have plenty time for girls (I've been 24 at that time and i haven't dated a girl yet)
So I would like to know how is that treated in USA?
Good question. There are many proposed treatments for your presenting issues including cognitive therapy, behavioral therapy, exposure therapy, interpersonal therapy, and so on. I encourage you to listen to other podcast episodes in which we address some of your issues. I also encourage you to continue seeking help until you find a good clinician who is helpful.
JKOT05 Ahoj! Greetings from Praha 2.
I was diagnosed with a panic disorder as a child, on a benzo like Xanax, but it just makes me feel normal, not drunk or intoxicated.
I'm glad to hear that!
Absolutely! I Think most ppl hear "xanax" and jump to conclusions without being informed about its effect, which as you most probably know ;) is calming. Also, many ppl don't quite get the concept of mental illness, and that treating it with medicine just regulates brainchemistry going "wrong"...
Elliot Rodger was an autistic extremist. He had no notion of injustice,
because he couldn’t conceptualize it in his mind. He didn’t even know
what an injustice was.
Instead of doing the research and seeking discussion in therapy, he didn’t
even have the mindfulness to obtain more information in order to understand
injustice.
I would say the injustice was, his attack and vitriol against woman, who he
never even asked out.
I also think there was a lack of insight into himself, he was different and it
should haven been expected and considered normal for it to have affects
on how woman were around him. It would have been a normal cautious
response.
He did need to be ordered to a psychiatric facility for therapy and medication.
He needed explanation as to why his views were wrong and how to go about
getting a partner, which would have involved both a change of attitude, style
and expectations. However, possible it was.
Elliot seemed to be interested in forcing woman. Forcing and attacking woman
is totally against the protective instinct. He would've worried me. I’d have sent
him to involuntary psychiatric care. Without a doubt.
Question regarding Rodger's police visit: Even if the police had considered him to be dangerous, would they have been allowed to search his apartment without a warrant?
Melvinwacko Yes, if they had probable cause of immediate danger to himself or someone else. Otherwise I'm guessing a warrant would have been needed.
Mark McGrath They still need a warrant from a judge, and under the circumstances you described, they can get a judge to sign off on one over the phone. However, the police had no idea he acquired firearms and had them in his apartment.
Great podcast. Subbed
+Poop Dawg Thanks!
Really in depth and bright assessment of this tragic case, Mr. Honda. On a personal note, you have a very good voice and it's easy to listen to you. I must admit I was perplexed after listening to your thoughts on a "half Asian, half white man that stereotyped an entire group" then say "I find it strange Mississippi is the only state that has the recommended number of beds for the mentally ill."
I coulda ended up like this...I have PTSD and schizotypal as well. I didn't have the anger though, Dad made sure to beat me into submission before I was this guys' age. I have anger issues now, but I'm 41 and not to the level that I would hurt anyone. Sometimes I think it's good that I was beaten, instead of a spoiled punk in a BMW like this kid...?
Were you able to overcome your hatred for humanity?
The solution isn’t less guns but to prevent the guns from falling into the hands of psychopaths.