Many people know this but just adding that Luigi’s dash attack was supposed to have one last strong hit at the end of it but it never got programmed. Given the frame data and disjoint the move might’ve actually been usable had this last hit actually been there
If memory serves, the way the programming works is that the hitbox is “there” in the code, but since it occurs outside the programmed “active frames” the hitbox never shows up. Kind of like Ganondorf’s jab 2 which can only be seen if he has a bunny hood on, per that one AsumSaus short. A similar mistake was made on Link’s nair which keeps the hitboxes around for too long
I would honestly just drill turnarounds without walking and get to where you have finer control over the stick, eventually your muscle memory will become more nuanced but that would be a good place to start building those more minimal movements and getting more comfortable. Has good real game applications too like turnaround uptilts, grabs, jabs, wavedashes back to ledge etc later.
One of two things is likely happening: 1. You're trying to side tilt while dashing 2. You're tapping the stick too far Side tilt isn't possible while dashing. You have to be either walking or standing still. I'd recommend practicing walking. Walk, then press A, and you'll get a side tilt. From there you can work towards doing it a little faster until eventually you can do it while standing.
Ness dash attack would be so much better if it didn't perfectly set up a hitstun cancel. If you hit all 3 hits, first on knocks down, second jab locks, and third pops up, so they do neutral getup mid air and can act really early
I was gonna say the move is borderline unusable because of that. You can also just easily di and make it punishable on hit. Really thought it would be bottom 5 lol..
While Sheik's dash attack providing for her boost grab is huge, I think Peach's is superior because it knocks down at 0%. If Sheik had a move that knocked down at 0% (besides up b and dthrow lol) it would be enormous for her in neutral. They are both easily the best two in any case.
I remember the first time I played melee I pulled up my favorite smash character Kirby. When I felt that dash attack I knew then and there something had gone wrong with my boy
Peach's dash attack is also an anti-air and can also hit opponents both up and sideways just by spacing and timing it slightly differently. In fact its probably the strongest dash attack for hitting opponents horizontally AND vertically.
I think for this series the more scripted/thought out analysis is a better for understanding these moves than a twitch stream highlight video. I understand generally the tier list might not change much, but the previous vids in this series had more notes and situations to consider for each character’s move. Appreciate ya as always tho!
Roy's dash attack is actually quite good, since it sweeps low for so long, and it can combo into fsmash/side b/grab against spacies and falcon. Dash attacks are overall pretty good in Melee, but I do think Roy's DA deserves some credit.
@@TheAmazingMrSloop i mean, it lets it pick up missed techs more consistently than dtilt will? It's also safer on shield than a dtilt a lot of the time because of its shieldpush. Really an underrated move that gets trashed on because of a mistake that honestly improved it.
Mewtwo's dash attack knocks down spacies at 0. Its a great burst option. And not that it makes it any better, but if you hit grab the same frame that you fall off a platform with kirby dash attack you instantly grab when you hit the ground
Young Link main here. YL dash attack is probably the second best move in his kit besides nair and maybe downsmash. YL dash attack forces a tech option, and can often lead to tech chasing with dash attack alone, and it's pretty consistent. It can be CC'ed pretty easily like all of YL's moves, but so can every other dash attack. It's just more common to CC YL's dash attack since CC is so strong against all of his options. Dash attack is also a phenomenal kill move. It catches a ton of recoveries, and sends at a pretty brutal angle. If you dash attack a Falco who's recovering at 0, it'll force him offstage with enough knockback that you can guarantee a drop zone nair killing edgeguard. It also has a reverse hitbox which is inside YL, making it deceptively large. If I was tiering dash attacks, I would 100% put it above Puff and Samus. Puff and Samus can't really follow up off dash attack, and only use them as kill moves. Honestly, if YL didn't have such a good dash attack, he would be a far worse character. It's a great spacing move, it catches landings, edgeguards, and can start combos. Love it.
As far as I know Roy dash attack is like that because they used marth’s as a reference and made the animation longer because Roy but forgot to change the frames the hitbox is active from marth’s. If you look at marth’s it’s also active from 12-15, but marth’s is 49 frames long and Roy’s is 57. They tried to make Roy’s slower on startup and endlag, but didn’t actually move any hitbox flags so it’s still iasa frame 40 and comes out before Roy’s sword is out which is why it’s like that
I maintain that kirby dash attack should have been his side b move that lets him recover. Not sure why they never changed it in all of the subsequent smash games
luigi can do dash attack at ledge into a 'walk-off-fair' that works more often than not for me also luigis final swing not being a hit is kinda nice, another tool is luigi's 'so weird it just might work' toolbox
also youre not using samus dash attack right. which is surprising b/c youve been playing for so long but havent seen this old school guide: ua-cam.com/video/vnT_eaOVNJ4/v-deo.html
Samus dash attack is definitely a solid option in neutral and mid percents. I find I get punished at low percents against spacies/marth especially if I hit on shield or they jump above it.
My hot take is that falcon dash attack is suuuuper underrated, as good as gannons if not better. Especially since falcon can doraki and get some crazy combos off it. it being a really fast grounded option is relaly important for falcon since he has a hard time covering that space usually. But yeah I think the 2 most underrated moves in the game are falcon dash attack and falcon dtilt.
Luigi DA in Smash 64 had a bug in one line of code and was missing its finishing hit, they just didn't change it between games (64 Samus UAir had the same issue but did get fixed)
My frame date heart hurt a little bit hearing it but you actually count the first frame when doing the active frames for a move lol So if it’s active from 6-9 that’s 4 active frames not 3. Or from 5-10 that’s 6 active frames not 5 because the last frame of startup and first active frame are shared. Couple of examples in the video where you missed a frame of activity the move has
taking the stock lead in a slow defensive battle with a Samus dash attack feels better than any other dash attack in Melee. i think Samus's dash attack should work more like the Speed Booster in Super Metroid that deals 9999 damage per frame
I can't speak for Brawl, but Zelda's DA has always been really damn good. It doesn't pop-up in later titles but it's still one of the faster DA's and it has really strong knock-back. It kills really reliably in Ultimate and in Sm4sh it was low-key really funny how strong it was due to Rage. If Zelda had great movement in any of these games, I'm almost positive she would be a Middle-High tier character on that DA alone. Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention: Zelda's DA in Melee is one of the two moves she has that really shit on Ice Climbers. DA is stupidly good at seperating Popo and Nana. And in Ultimate you can do a really funny thing where if you happen to be close enough to your Phantom Knight's sword swing, you can quickly DA while your opponent is getting hit to since it's Zelda's fastest burst option and this tends to be a LOT more damage and knockback than most players are ready for lol. (I know you can also Lightning Kick in the same situation, but Zelda's air-speed is pretty slow and you run the risk of missing the sweet spot. If you can hit it though, dude's is probably gonna die.)
Before video begins, my thoughts on the top tiers. Fox/falco/shiek for good range and great combo ability. Ganon/samus/peach/(yoshi?) for good/great burst options with priority, on otherwise slow characters. And even some combo potential too. Marth because sword go brr Ice climbers? I think have a good one. Thats probably all the good ones. Idk lets see!
Mewtwo dash attack is useful versus Luigi because it has crazy priority so you can use it preemptively to clank with incoming downsmashes and get spacing advantage. It's not a great burst option since you can't combo off the initial hit, instead it's better used as an approach tool that can be really awkward to punish. I'd put it above gnw personally
Luigi dash attack can catch people diing at ledge and if you di it into it can also combo into up b. Completely irredeemable move that said it has moments where it comes out on accident and succeeds.
friendly reminder that roy's dash attack has the exact same iasa as marth dash attack, still beats DI away, and breaks ASDI down at 0 the misaligned animation from the hitboxes sucks and makes it a lot worse, but as far as roy moves goes it's a staple for punish as if your opponent di's away on d tilt, you can confirm into a dash attack, which if they're di'ing out on, will pop them straight up for more combos i won't say it's unfair to put it in broken tier though, it is dysfunctional what's funny is as a roy main it can be kinda annoying to hear people bash on roy dash attack as one of the worst moves in the whole game when in reality the sleeper garbage roy move is up tilt, it's so awful, a lot of the things people think about roy's dash attack would be more fitting said about his up tilt lmao you could say a lot of roy's moves are bad, sure they're not the best, but seriously roy's up tilt probably is only better than like, ganondorf up tilt, it's an abysmal move
Compared to sheik, Peach’s DA: - Knocks fox’s true cc at like 35 LMAO. It breaks Samus CC at 45. It breaks asdi down on the entire cast at 0. - Isn’t negatively disjointed - hits waaaaay higher so it trades and wins with all sorts of bs
I find that luigi dash attack has a niche use case if the opponent is slightly above you and reasonably high %. Not sure if it is actually difficult to punish or if my opponent just dont know how to tho.
I maintain that kirby dash attack should have been his side b move that lets him recover. Not sure why they never changed it in all of the subsequent smash games. On a separate note, why can’t we patch melee? Imagine if the game had a small patch that just fixed all the broken hitboxes and hurt boxes? I feel like it could be a very easy thing to slide under the radar.
What is the remix of Bramble Blast at the end of the video? I tried looking for different kinds of remixes, but couldn't find it, but on the plus side I found a bunch of other cool remixes of Stickerbrush Symphony/Bramble Blast
To the response why not use yoshi's dtilt instead of dash attack it's just that its faster than waved dash dtilt and more importantly hit higher so less chance of opponent just jumping above. Still, its a very niche move that doesn't do much.
hi, its A-OTF-FolkPro-H, but its not the main menu font, it's the font used on stage select screen / loading screen / maybe some other places, hope that helps. there's also a smashboard thread on other fonts used in melee which you could visit to see some research that other people have done on melee fonts.
Falcon main here his dash attack is literally negative on hit lmao, it’s his most useless move, extremely laggy, hits upwards so no edge guard, and most importantly, why use dash attack, when you can do literally anything else, there is no reason to ever use it other than to style on your opponents by doing it at ledge and falling off or something, it’s so bad it’s one of those moves im shocked it got past play testing and didn’t get changed at all in pal, and it’s even weirder that samus’ dash attack, a move that in smash 64 they shared because they just didn’t have moves for falcon and wanted to finish out his move set, is so good it’s one of her better moves on her kit, falcon really got done dirty man 💀
5:00 youre reading frame data wrong roy dash attack is not active for 3 frames its active for 4 subtracting the last active frame by the first active frame leaves you one frame off cuz 15-12=3 but count them, 12, 13, 14, 15 is 4 frames of an active hitbox. not disagreeing with the tier list at all tho i play ult and watched this while i ate my leftovers
Kirby can grab after landing from dash attack off a plat in melee btw not PM. Pikachad taught me 10 years ago ua-cam.com/video/vv_jkRK_6Ic/v-deo.htmlsi=4D64wbpcniqFXsL5
Kirby actually has the best dash attack, because it gives them fire on boost grab and that's badass
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Many people know this but just adding that Luigi’s dash attack was supposed to have one last strong hit at the end of it but it never got programmed. Given the frame data and disjoint the move might’ve actually been usable had this last hit actually been there
If memory serves, the way the programming works is that the hitbox is “there” in the code, but since it occurs outside the programmed “active frames” the hitbox never shows up. Kind of like Ganondorf’s jab 2 which can only be seen if he has a bunny hood on, per that one AsumSaus short. A similar mistake was made on Link’s nair which keeps the hitboxes around for too long
A dash attack is what happens when I try to side tilt (I never managed to make tilt inputs in my life)
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I would honestly just drill turnarounds without walking and get to where you have finer control over the stick, eventually your muscle memory will become more nuanced but that would be a good place to start building those more minimal movements and getting more comfortable. Has good real game applications too like turnaround uptilts, grabs, jabs, wavedashes back to ledge etc later.
One of two things is likely happening:
1. You're trying to side tilt while dashing
2. You're tapping the stick too far
Side tilt isn't possible while dashing. You have to be either walking or standing still.
I'd recommend practicing walking. Walk, then press A, and you'll get a side tilt. From there you can work towards doing it a little faster until eventually you can do it while standing.
Love seeing the Joshman reaction to the Giant Punch at the end of every video
This video made me realize I haven't seen Luigi's dash attack in years.
I feel like ive seen some luigis on slippi do it… mostly as disrespect i think though
YES, glad you're getting back to doing more isolated move evaluations. Love these vids
Glad you're enjoying them!
Ness dash attack would be so much better if it didn't perfectly set up a hitstun cancel. If you hit all 3 hits, first on knocks down, second jab locks, and third pops up, so they do neutral getup mid air and can act really early
I was gonna say the move is borderline unusable because of that. You can also just easily di and make it punishable on hit. Really thought it would be bottom 5 lol..
While Sheik's dash attack providing for her boost grab is huge, I think Peach's is superior because it knocks down at 0%. If Sheik had a move that knocked down at 0% (besides up b and dthrow lol) it would be enormous for her in neutral. They are both easily the best two in any case.
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It’s probably bait or an inside joke or something but him calling Kirby “her” is driving me nuts
Yeah, he’s always been called “he”
depends on hat imo
@@williamomalley6081 yeah, sword kirby's a girl cuz that hat belongs to zelda
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Kirby is pink therefore girl checkmate
But Kirby's dash attack is rad af. You didn't mention that. He literally catches ablaze... sick!
I remember the first time I played melee I pulled up my favorite smash character Kirby. When I felt that dash attack I knew then and there something had gone wrong with my boy
The DK one always gets me. Everyone occasionally must suffer De Feet at the hands of DK
or at the.. y’know, *feet* of DK
1:00 luigi dash attack into up-b at high percents is pretty reliable
Peach's dash attack is also an anti-air and can also hit opponents both up and sideways just by spacing and timing it slightly differently. In fact its probably the strongest dash attack for hitting opponents horizontally AND vertically.
9:20 do you remember that crazy combo Armada almost hit with G&W dash attack on Yoshi's at a Summit?
Is there a video link?
as a ganon main ganon dash attack is top tier
I think for this series the more scripted/thought out analysis is a better for understanding these moves than a twitch stream highlight video. I understand generally the tier list might not change much, but the previous vids in this series had more notes and situations to consider for each character’s move. Appreciate ya as always tho!
Roy's dash attack is actually quite good, since it sweeps low for so long, and it can combo into fsmash/side b/grab against spacies and falcon.
Dash attacks are overall pretty good in Melee, but I do think Roy's DA deserves some credit.
I'm probably one of three Roy mains actually watching this, so I have to spread the facts
June pulled the frame data up, it's only active for 4 frames. Idk if I'd call that "so long"
@@TheAmazingMrSloop i mean, it lets it pick up missed techs more consistently than dtilt will?
It's also safer on shield than a dtilt a lot of the time because of its shieldpush.
Really an underrated move that gets trashed on because of a mistake that honestly improved it.
@@TheAmazingMrSloop i agree with roshea, its not a terrible dash attack you just need to use it right.
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Mewtwo's dash attack knocks down spacies at 0. Its a great burst option.
And not that it makes it any better, but if you hit grab the same frame that you fall off a platform with kirby dash attack you instantly grab when you hit the ground
Luigi is missing a final hitbox on his. It was like that in 64 and for some reason they kept it in
Never feel bad for Luigi dash attack because that move is a menace in ultimate, free corner carry, crazy damage and kills
Young Link main here. YL dash attack is probably the second best move in his kit besides nair and maybe downsmash.
YL dash attack forces a tech option, and can often lead to tech chasing with dash attack alone, and it's pretty consistent. It can be CC'ed pretty easily like all of YL's moves, but so can every other dash attack. It's just more common to CC YL's dash attack since CC is so strong against all of his options.
Dash attack is also a phenomenal kill move. It catches a ton of recoveries, and sends at a pretty brutal angle. If you dash attack a Falco who's recovering at 0, it'll force him offstage with enough knockback that you can guarantee a drop zone nair killing edgeguard.
It also has a reverse hitbox which is inside YL, making it deceptively large.
If I was tiering dash attacks, I would 100% put it above Puff and Samus. Puff and Samus can't really follow up off dash attack, and only use them as kill moves.
Honestly, if YL didn't have such a good dash attack, he would be a far worse character. It's a great spacing move, it catches landings, edgeguards, and can start combos. Love it.
As far as I know Roy dash attack is like that because they used marth’s as a reference and made the animation longer because Roy but forgot to change the frames the hitbox is active from marth’s. If you look at marth’s it’s also active from 12-15, but marth’s is 49 frames long and Roy’s is 57. They tried to make Roy’s slower on startup and endlag, but didn’t actually move any hitbox flags so it’s still iasa frame 40 and comes out before Roy’s sword is out which is why it’s like that
5:16 Fencepost problem. Activity on frames 12-15 means 4 active frames, not 3
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It's between Luigi and Roy for me on this one. They look really cool, have a hard time believing they didn't make those really strong!
Keep doing more please these are so fun i want to see jab tier list and than smash attacks
Roy just has the free demo to Marth's dash attack.
ganon ledge dash dash attack is great
moves just really good to claim space in general
Luigi’s dash attack is the best in the game because it’s swag 😎
Great video. Btw didn't see you mention this but the last punch of luigi's dash attack doesn't have a hitbox.
I maintain that kirby dash attack should have been his side b move that lets him recover. Not sure why they never changed it in all of the subsequent smash games
gnw against different percents sets up for a lot and the stage spike edgeguard can catch people off guard
luigi can do dash attack at ledge into a 'walk-off-fair' that works more often than not for me
also luigis final swing not being a hit is kinda nice, another tool is luigi's 'so weird it just might work' toolbox
also youre not using samus dash attack right. which is surprising b/c youve been playing for so long but havent seen this old school guide: ua-cam.com/video/vnT_eaOVNJ4/v-deo.html
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I always dash attack unintentionally
9:13 i feel like im watching someone lab a dlc character
P sure I remember Luigi was bugged. It was supposed to have a finisher that launches but the hit box didn't work.
Samus dash attack is definitely a solid option in neutral and mid percents. I find I get punished at low percents against spacies/marth especially if I hit on shield or they jump above it.
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I think you can grab cancel dash attack if you go off plat with Kirby in melee too
My hot take is that falcon dash attack is suuuuper underrated, as good as gannons if not better. Especially since falcon can doraki and get some crazy combos off it. it being a really fast grounded option is relaly important for falcon since he has a hard time covering that space usually. But yeah I think the 2 most underrated moves in the game are falcon dash attack and falcon dtilt.
Luigi DA in Smash 64 had a bug in one line of code and was missing its finishing hit, they just didn't change it between games (64 Samus UAir had the same issue but did get fixed)
If you hit dpad down in UP it teleports the cpu to right in front of you
Yoshi dash attack is pretty alright for edgeguarding and di mixups, but otherwise perfect placement tbh
Better than Captain Falcon dash attack
My frame date heart hurt a little bit hearing it but you actually count the first frame when doing the active frames for a move lol
So if it’s active from 6-9 that’s 4 active frames not 3. Or from 5-10 that’s 6 active frames not 5 because the last frame of startup and first active frame are shared.
Couple of examples in the video where you missed a frame of activity the move has
taking the stock lead in a slow defensive battle with a Samus dash attack feels better than any other dash attack in Melee. i think Samus's dash attack should work more like the Speed Booster in Super Metroid that deals 9999 damage per frame
if dk and mario had their pm dash attacks they'd be nuts
I can't speak for Brawl, but Zelda's DA has always been really damn good. It doesn't pop-up in later titles but it's still one of the faster DA's and it has really strong knock-back. It kills really reliably in Ultimate and in Sm4sh it was low-key really funny how strong it was due to Rage.
If Zelda had great movement in any of these games, I'm almost positive she would be a Middle-High tier character on that DA alone.
Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention: Zelda's DA in Melee is one of the two moves she has that really shit on Ice Climbers. DA is stupidly good at seperating Popo and Nana.
And in Ultimate you can do a really funny thing where if you happen to be close enough to your Phantom Knight's sword swing, you can quickly DA while your opponent is getting hit to since it's Zelda's fastest burst option and this tends to be a LOT more damage and knockback than most players are ready for lol. (I know you can also Lightning Kick in the same situation, but Zelda's air-speed is pretty slow and you run the risk of missing the sweet spot. If you can hit it though, dude's is probably gonna die.)
Before video begins, my thoughts on the top tiers. Fox/falco/shiek for good range and great combo ability.
Ganon/samus/peach/(yoshi?) for good/great burst options with priority, on otherwise slow characters. And even some combo potential too.
Marth because sword go brr
Ice climbers? I think have a good one.
Thats probably all the good ones. Idk lets see!
Putting fox below marth is so funny
Was really hoping you would asumsauce this video :P
Mewtwo dash attack is useful versus Luigi because it has crazy priority so you can use it preemptively to clank with incoming downsmashes and get spacing advantage. It's not a great burst option since you can't combo off the initial hit, instead it's better used as an approach tool that can be really awkward to punish. I'd put it above gnw personally
Kirby can cancel his into grab after going off the platform w/ forbidden tech
Luigi dash attack can catch people diing at ledge and if you di it into it can also combo into up b. Completely irredeemable move that said it has moments where it comes out on accident and succeeds.
No way Mewtwo is that low. His dash attack sends at perfect angle and can catch a lot of landings
Ever get gimped by Peach's dash attack sourspot? lol
friendly reminder that roy's dash attack has the exact same iasa as marth dash attack, still beats DI away, and breaks ASDI down at 0
the misaligned animation from the hitboxes sucks and makes it a lot worse, but as far as roy moves goes it's a staple for punish as if your opponent di's away on d tilt, you can confirm into a dash attack, which if they're di'ing out on, will pop them straight up for more combos
i won't say it's unfair to put it in broken tier though, it is dysfunctional
what's funny is as a roy main it can be kinda annoying to hear people bash on roy dash attack as one of the worst moves in the whole game when in reality the sleeper garbage roy move is up tilt, it's so awful, a lot of the things people think about roy's dash attack would be more fitting said about his up tilt lmao
you could say a lot of roy's moves are bad, sure they're not the best, but seriously roy's up tilt probably is only better than like, ganondorf up tilt, it's an abysmal move
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Compared to sheik, Peach’s DA:
- Knocks fox’s true cc at like 35 LMAO. It breaks Samus CC at 45. It breaks asdi down on the entire cast at 0.
- Isn’t negatively disjointed
- hits waaaaay higher so it trades and wins with all sorts of bs
I find that luigi dash attack has a niche use case if the opponent is slightly above you and reasonably high %. Not sure if it is actually difficult to punish or if my opponent just dont know how to tho.
or right next to ledge to push them off
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I maintain that kirby dash attack should have been his side b move that lets him recover. Not sure why they never changed it in all of the subsequent smash games.
On a separate note, why can’t we patch melee? Imagine if the game had a small patch that just fixed all the broken hitboxes and hurt boxes? I feel like it could be a very easy thing to slide under the radar.
it sounds like u not trynna laugh while reading the intro
W vid tho
What is the remix of Bramble Blast at the end of the video? I tried looking for different kinds of remixes, but couldn't find it, but on the plus side I found a bunch of other cool remixes of Stickerbrush Symphony/Bramble Blast
this is not a tier list its a categories list lol
What's that dope outro song?
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To the response why not use yoshi's dtilt instead of dash attack it's just that its faster than waved dash dtilt and more importantly hit higher so less chance of opponent just jumping above. Still, its a very niche move that doesn't do much.
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What's the font used in the video ? I mean, the one from Melee's menu
hi, its A-OTF-FolkPro-H, but its not the main menu font, it's the font used on stage select screen / loading screen / maybe some other places, hope that helps.
there's also a smashboard thread on other fonts used in melee which you could visit to see some research that other people have done on melee fonts.
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Yoshis and Mewtwo's are very good moves, Peach is best, Sheik is amazing tho
Falcon main here his dash attack is literally negative on hit lmao, it’s his most useless move, extremely laggy, hits upwards so no edge guard, and most importantly, why use dash attack, when you can do literally anything else, there is no reason to ever use it other than to style on your opponents by doing it at ledge and falling off or something, it’s so bad it’s one of those moves im shocked it got past play testing and didn’t get changed at all in pal, and it’s even weirder that samus’ dash attack, a move that in smash 64 they shared because they just didn’t have moves for falcon and wanted to finish out his move set, is so good it’s one of her better moves on her kit, falcon really got done dirty man 💀
What's the outro song? Shit kinda bangs
god I wish falcon had a dash attack
it can combo into knee vs bad marths
@@IamPimPamPet unfortunately I am a bad falcon so it evens out
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kirbys dash attack is good dont @ me
Fox dash attack gives a free kill on hit over a huuuge percent range and I hate docs dash attack soooo much
Kirby can dash attack cancel grab off plats in melee as well still useless tho
came here to say this
i feel like fox’s is MUCH better than falcos just because of the fox ability to follow up even
I would argue Mewtwo’s is higher because it knocks upwards
Which is helpful especially for upair and fair, and can cover ledge/plat drop?
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5:00 youre reading frame data wrong roy dash attack is not active for 3 frames its active for 4 subtracting the last active frame by the first active frame leaves you one frame off cuz 15-12=3 but count them, 12, 13, 14, 15 is 4 frames of an active hitbox. not disagreeing with the tier list at all tho i play ult and watched this while i ate my leftovers
Roy dash attack would be extremely good if the hitbox were active for the full animation.
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i cannot be the first person to point out that sheik isn't femme right
like i know it's nitpicky or whatever but that is kinda masc drag in canon...
Sheik's has negative disjoint. Peach's is obviously better.
Kirby can grab after landing from dash attack off a plat in melee btw not PM. Pikachad taught me 10 years ago
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