Regulations are Destroying Diesel Trucks
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I am a farmer and don't have any issues with the pollution stuff on my trucks. You gotta actually work the truck, you know carry a heavy load? Which most of you city slicker wanta be farmers don't do.. Work it hard and the pollution stuff doesn't clog up... You paid $1000 for an oil change and four filters? Maybe you outa learn to do it yourself.
The diesel shop that I went to said that 50% or more of all the diesel truck repairs that come into their shop are emissions related with an average cost of repair is around $4000.
He also mentioned that the extended warranty usually doesn’t cover those problems
You don’t mind paying an extra $25,000 for a truck that is less capable and breaks down more often? And you think me paying an extra hundred dollars for the oil change is the problem
At that rate, I could get 250 oil changes before I’ve covered the cost of the emissions garbage
Plus, you’re buying DEF fluid. That is a continuous ongoing cost the entire time you have the truck.
The DEF cost more than my oil change
The mechanic said that his cost for my oil and fuel filters is $300 so it’s not out of line for the dealership to charge me $400.
That extra hundred dollars is not the problem here
All of this to put in place regulations that don’t even help the environment. It’s been proven that the exhaust is no cleaner.
They are levying a heavy tax on you to win, social agenda, brownie points, among city dwelling millennials, and you seem to be OK with it
@@RockhillfarmYT as a diesel mechanic of 25 years, you are not wrong. I saw this all coming in 2004 and it has all gotten worse. While you may have a little less issue working a truck and not idling it, you still shouldn’t have to deal with it at all. They went after the diesel engine because they knew the transportation industry would have to pay for it because it’s a necessity. No other industry or consumer could pay more for a truck or piece of equipment with less reliability, longer downtime and reduced engine/component life. Then they have the time and man power to hunt people down in the majority of the locations that don’t even have emissions standards or inspections on diesels and take them to jail or put them out of business. Sad we all let I happen.
@johndeerfarmer4483 I'm not sure if you understood the purpose of the video.
The whole you don't work your truck hard enough is why you have issues is talking out of your rear.
As for the price of parts, as a Diesel mechanic for a lot of years diesel parts have always been historically more expensive than gas engines.
In this day in age, they can charge almost whatever they want because your truck "has" to have these emissions parts to run and not break the law.
Like Brock said this is just an unnecessary cost to all of the working people around the country.
Sorry, all of us city slickers can't understand how were supposed to do things.
Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
I was highly entertained by his comment, as I not 15 minutes prior drove past my local small town diner and saw the farm truck 2500 and 3500's lined up having lunch. Those fellas were going balls to the walls working those rigs!
And the same at church on Sunday or in the parking lot of the local ag store. If you want to be real about it, the trade guys pulling enclosed trailers are working their diesels daily, not many farmers are using their trucks for daily or even monthly heavy hauling. So give those slickers a call and they can come build a podium for you to give your next sermon.
Drive what and how you want for whatever reason you want. The point is, more money doesn't equate to better quality anymore. John Deere included!!!!!
I agree. I’m anything but a city slicker. I won’t even visit a city unless I don’t have a choice.
On average, I pull a heavy load probably two or three month which might be more than a lot of farmers, but some are pulling heavy loads a lot. It all varies.
I think the construction and Excavating are really working the rigs hard
What I didn’t get was how condescending the comment is. Making it personal about me when I’m talking about the price of trucks
I know a lot of people don't want to talk politics because it's a touchy subject. But I have set back and watched while the dumbest of us have destroyed and continue to destroy this country. I'm to the point now where I feel like the country I love needs more people, especially people who have a platform to actually speak up and tell people that have their heads in the sand the truth. The truth is we need to get this administration out and put a group of people together that actually cares about this country and its people and not about making themselves rich. There should never be a person in government who makes $175,000.00 a year and after serving a few years leaves a multimillionaire. That's corrupt and it seems like everyone in government does it. Sorry for the rant but as I said I don't care if people get butt hurt over the truth anymore.
Agreed, it is past time for the adults to take charge.
I love it when people like you and Mike speak your mind because we are all thinking it!
Speaking from experience, I had a trucking business that I sold in 2020. 34 years as a contractor for FedEx Ground with a fleet of 50-plus trucks. The last ten years of our business were the hardest because of emissions on our trucks. We started in 87 when the trucks would pull and the repairs were not astronomical. If you think a pickup is expensive, try buying a new Def filter for a Detroit that is 12 thousand dollars. Multiply that by 50 if all your trucks need one. The other problem is the fact that the big diesel engines of today don't last as long. I had some older trucks that we inframed and got over 2 million miles on the engine. You're lucky if you get 800k out of a big truck today. I'll get political with you, let's get smart and put the administration back in that had our diesel fuel at $2 a gallon and rescinded some of these crazy emissions. Y'all know what I'm saying so put your vote to work wisely this fall.
Exact reason I bought a ford 7.3 gasser. Have towed 21k and had no problems or lack of power. Any time the government says they will “fix” something it means trouble.
I have been looking at 3/4 ton trucks. I've almost decided for the amount of towing I do, the price of the trucks, and the extra headaches that come with a diesel, I'm going to buy a gas engine 3/4 ton. It will meet my needs.
GAS
To me, the most absurd part of the emission control systems is the fact that hundreds of thousands of those $20,000 systems have to be manufactured. Then they have to be transported to the factories. Then there’s an entire industry that produces DEF fluid. And that also has to be transported. Think about the amount of diesel fuel burned and extra emissions, caused by the manufacturing and transport of all of that crap. Plus, the emission systems make your truck less fuel efficient, thereby also burning more diesel. Then you have fuel tanker trucks also burning more diesel to haul all that fuel to the stations at an increased rate…
It’s mind blowing how stupid it all is
Don't forget the waste products of DEF bottles and cardboard going to the landfills. 😕😕
Exactly. That’s the other reason it bothers me is because I don’t see how you can make the case that it’s helping the environment.
The industry that produces DEF fluid was around way before DEF fluid, it's UREA and water. 98% of the UREA, which is an organic compound, is used for liquid fertilizer in the agriculture industry.
@@icehog2367 Yes, urea has existed for a long time. Factories which package it in plastic and cardboard and ship it by the truckload have not.
Brock I was dead set on Diesels and thought I would never own a gas pickup. I went back to gas as the EPA has destroyed Diesel. 3 years ago I kept having problems with my Diesel. It kept derating and was at dealer for 3 weeks and they were throwing parts at it and couldn't get it fixed. I went Gas 3500 and haven't regretted it one bit. Have buddies that thought I was crazy but My truck is still pulling and theirs is in the shop. Oh and by the way 2 have them have went back to gas. Maintenance cost is lower and I can buy a lot of gas for $10K. Sure it don't pull as hard as my diesel did, but ya know at this age I am not in as big of a hurry anymore .
I have a theory why we put up with all this crap. Our lives are just good enough for us not to revolt, we make just enough money not to revolt, politicians remove just enough freedom for us not to revolt.
I agree with you.
And there are plenty ignorant to how much they are really being screwed over. If enough people realize how much better everything would be if the government butted out and didn't print us into oblivion, then I think things would be different. The inflation rate may be lower, but gasoline is not a dollar anymore. A hundred dollar bill will never have the buying power it once had.
Exactly right
That’s not a theory, that’s a fact. And it’s by design.
Actually Charles, I’ve said it years ago. The EPA is working for big oil and the car- truck manufacturers to sell more gas and oil , more new trucks and cars and way more parts. I think it is more of a money making scheme than an environmental scheme!
I have farmed or helped on the farm all my life. I have farmed since 1980 on my own. A big part of my equipment is antiques, and still works great. example, the truck I haul my grain with is a 1970 GMC with a 671 Detroit, it runs and pulls like a champ! All of my tractors and combine are old enough that they don't have the emisons crap on them, that I am thankful for. You are 100% correct, this crap that is being forced on trucks and heavy equipment is helping to destroy USA. Do your best to have a Great Day!
Very well said Brock!!! I agree with you 100%. The vehicle industry is way over regulated and we are the ones who pays the price. I also believe a property tuned diesel doesn’t need any of that emissions crap.Thanks for speaking your mind my hat is off to you.
A friend of mine is a diesel mechanic for a school district that has about 140 diesel buses. He won't even buy a diesel truck because of the normal maintenance along with repairs. It's sad. I really would like a D truck but I can't justify the expense. The Government is over reaching on regulations and not just on diesels
Whoever charged you 1k to change oil and filters is a Hustler! 😂
Well, I’m not sure Rick. I farm in Canada. I do all my own work and oil changes . I changed the oil , and filters this April . I did 1 tandem grain truck , 2 large tractors , 1 self propelled field sprayer , my Silverado 1/2 t , my wife’s Buick La crosse , 1 grain auger engine,1 three ton water hauling truck, and a rider mower . Total for filters and oil only works out to just under 2200 bucks, and we have to do it, each spring. My only salvation to all this is, I use all the waste crank case oil , to heat my shop all year, and the oil filters get drained and hauled to the scrap dealer for a little cash!
Brock, Great Video. I've been irritated with all the emissions for years.
The new trucks are super nice and have amazing creature comforts, I just can't see spending that much money on the emission heavy vehicles that cost a fortune to upkeep.
I think I'll stick with my Ol dinosaur 1st gen for now and ever. "Definitely not emissions friendly truck"
Please be careful mention said removal of parts. I know certain agency's have stopped by people's properties before to inspect things and gave large fines for certain removals of equipment.
A friend of mine has a 2020 Ford F350 6.7 diesel. He had all the emissions related stuff deleted and I could NOT believe the amount of space now available in his engine bay…I didn’t even recognize the engine 😳
And I bet your friend gets better fuel economy after deleting his truck and I’ve will have a lot less visits to the repair shop!
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Regulations are also killing small trucks. This is why trucks are getting larger and larger each year to avoid EPA penalties.
No it's because you can't be cool without the biggest trick, and manufacturers keep pleasing their crowd. Viscous cycle, perpetrated by the consumer!
I have an '05 Dodge 3/4 ton diesel that I bought brand new. I used it as a work truck until I retired 4 years ago. I'll drive it until I die and then my kids will get it. It costs less than a thousand a year in repairs and, apart from some rust, is every bit as solid as it was when I bought it. I use it to move equipment and haul materials. I doubt the newer trucks will be as dependable over the long run. Complexity is the enemy in trucks that get used hard.
Good morning Brock. As you know I have a lot of opinions on a lot of subjects and I sometimes get a little long winded on them but I will try to keep this one short and G rated. "Let's go Brandon!!!" . God bless and have I hope will have a wonderful rest of your day. 👍👍🙂
Defund the EPA!
Yeah that's a good idea, to someone who actually thinks corporations have your best interests at heart.
End the EPA now!!
Brock, you are again right on the mark with this synopsis of diesel pickup trucks. There is an influx of people going back to gas engines in pickups because of everything you just described. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies by paying for these well optioned quad cabbed pickups. This is the reason I bought a big gas engined Ford F350 XL STX regular cab truck back in 2020 right at the begining of covid, with the simple bare necessities. It will pull my 15K lb dump trailer around albeit not like a diesel will, but I get there a minute or two after you. When was the last time you loaded up that quad cab with six people and went to pickup or move a piece of equipment? Fact of the matter there are so many vehicles out there with so much extra stuff on them that we absolutely do not need and are just irritations to have in the first place if you ask me. Unless you are touring the US with the Mrs. everyday with an RV fifth wheel for the next year and a half why do you really need the diesel pickup? We have been hood winked by the big three with 1000ftlb torque engines and high off the lot retail prices and cost prohibited service costs.
The time is near . Stay the course .
Keep The Faith
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Howdy Brock! I hear ya brother. My dually diesel's exhaust is almost undetectable. So ridiculous. Tell you what some horse people are doing to offset the cost of their tow vehicle. They are buying used day cab trucks with a single axle (like from XPO Logistics) and modifying them for pulling a gooseneck. These day cabs aren't good for daily OTR use anymore, but for the average small farmer or horse person like myself, they are perfect for haulin' horses around 15 or 20 weekends a year. Do they have all the creature comforts of an HD pickup? No. But it ain't yer daily driver... lol! Be patient and you can get one in good shape for under 10 grand. If we are still horsin' around when I need to replace the F450, that is the direction I'll be going. Well done and thanks for sharing 🤠
After 17 years of issues with a diesel 1-ton, we just couldn’t justify it again. That’s why we went with the large displacement 7.3 V8 gasser in our F350.
This is infuriating! I’m still running the 1998 12 valve cummins I bought new and I’m lucky I don’t have to worry about this stuff. I’ll just keep up with repairs and drive it forever I guess. You’ve got my sympathy for sure. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Hindsight....wondering if you would have been better off buying an older cheaper small truck and then buying a second larger diesel truck, like a big flatbed or even a small semi? Maybe look into the old 2 stroke diesels, mine is awsome, the sound and power is amazing.
just think of all the fuel wasted when you have to do a parked re gen it takes any where from 40 mins to an hour running at high idle burning fuel and not moving one iota then what about the def fluid is it doing anything to the environment plus all the extra cost makes me sick
If you live in a place that doesn’t require emissions then some parts can “fall off”. Hear Canada folks are happy to help. 😉
I had to do the same thing with my cummins years ago.
Freaking parts were so bad they just fell off eventually.
I remember when carburetors would have issues trying to start after the engine was hot (vapor lock), my '80 car had electronic ignition and some folks couldn't start in the rain, thankfully those basic computer controlled issues got resolved and engines DID get more reliable, but the last 10-15 years with emission standards (thanks California) have really turned the reliability and costs in the wrong direction. The drive to EV is also behind this, folks just don't seem to get that BUILDING batteries/new EV factories/building new EV vehicles/expanding power distribution systems NEGATES the point/savings of having an EV - which still needs to be charged by the grid, and the battery doesn't last forever, and it's not "ecologically better" to mine lithium vs. fossil fuel. So, I'll keep my 1999 thru 2005 vehicles and fix (nearly) everything myself and buy gas/diesel and use wood for heat as much as possible.
You're a damn fool for not deleting it already!! Love your channel Buddy! Keep it up!
Brock, in my opinion, a lot of the inflammatory pricing on all fossil fuel based vehicles is a result of R&D recoupment as well as manufacturing cost recovery related to forced electric vehicle production. Which they have to do in order to meet EPA guidelines at the manufacturer level. These stipulate a manufacturer has to hit an average MPG of all vehicles they make, and the only way they can meet that is through EV production. Problem is there is little to no demand for EVs. So, they're making fewer gas/diesel vehicles because if they make too many they won't hit their regulatory mandates, but they're not selling the inventory of EV cars that they are forced to produce in order to meet those mandates. This all will result in any fossil fuel based vehicle to become a 6-figure purchase, while we will only see EV prices falling year over year. Eventually, consumers will buy EVs simply because they cannot afford gas/diesel vehicles - not, necessarily, because they want them.
It offset about 0.01% of the coal plant emissions in China and India
Modern coal and nuclear power plant designs are insanely clean and efficient and yet arent allowed to be built. Same thing with Oil refineries, we havent been able to build a new one in 40+ years. All regulatory.
@@40arpent modern coal can't be built in the US because there is no financing, insurance, or regulatory pathways. There's no cost effective way to deal with CO2 even if all the other emissions problems can be solved. Same rules don't apply in other places
I think this could relate to your tractor decision between the TYM and the LS. I have a TYM T574 and I love it! One thing about it is a mechanical fuel pump so if a person were inclined to they could remove the DPF filter and there are no other emission controls related to the fuel pump to de-rate the engine or limit your throttle. I know you could program the LS but the TYM also has no EGR valve to worry about either.
Yeah, I’ve been told that they are the most simplistic design and the easiest to delete in terms of tractors
Thanks for sharing the information
100% agree! Thanks for saying what needs to be said!
All of the DEF, Filters crap is stupid. The mount of waste the DEF boxes and bottles are creating is doing more harm than the particles from emissions.
Interesting take. But I suspect the sequestered carbon in those items is less damaging than the released carbon the non def engines would spew out. Good idea for a study though.
Well said Brock. Right on point.
Awesome video, don't be sorry, your just speaking the truth
Great video Brock. I agree 💯.
I totally agree! I can’t afford it anymore due to that cost increase.
Very well said
When I pass a stealership and see a big banner on a truck that says "$12,000 OFF MSRP!", what that tells me is that truck is over-priced by $12,000 at the very minimum.
I watched a video where the guy was going up to the windshield of all these trucks that say that but they’re still 75 and $85,000 after the markdown
My Chevy has a cylinder shut down function that I don't need, I need V8 all the time, that's what I need, I don't need 4 to 8 when towing and the computer decides the 6500 pounds I'm pulling is better off behind 4 cylinders, with 4 dead floating........
they do it to the diesels and the gas engines...... and when the gas engines have issues prior to 100K miles, it's your problem not theirs, and the costs are higher and higher depending on how bad that system jacked your engine up.
At this time in my life I wish I had my old 84 Ramcharger back just so it had the power and the ability to run 200K with little issue........
the new tech may be good in ways but other ways it is a costly idiotic mess reducing the ability of our trucks to actually do work for a period of time reliably.
Great video Brock! Hopefully you vented off and can savage the day!
AFM disabler is $240, a fraction of the cost Brock will be in a full on delete on that pickup.
part of the reason i went with a l2501 instead of a slight step up was anything higher had dpf and i just wanted a simpler machine. my brother has a older skid so if i need something bigger i can borrow that and i just take smaller sections of logs and its does what i need but its bullshit that tractors at over 25hp need that kind of regulation for a homeowner who isn't putting a crazy number of hours. if i remember construction stuff isn't until 90hp it gets restrictions and that would run a ton of hours compared to a compact tractor i would prefer none of it for anybody but it really confuses me why they want to interfere with compact tractors when it just mainly people who want to maintain their properties.
I totally agree with you Brock.
The outlaw in you coming out,😅
You should look up the diesel dudes. You can get a delete kit with them. I get it that it avoids the warranty but it helps the truck out a lot. I have a 2018 ram and when it hit 60k my def failed and my tranny went out. Warranty said they don’t have to cover it. So I said crew it. I’m deleting. Best thing I’ve done. I deleted and tuned it myself. If you’re a basic mechanic, you can easily do it. Takes about 4 hours
I’ve had 3 Chevy Duramax diesels 2005, 2008 now 2016 everyone I put over 250,000 miles on never once changed transmission filter or oil on the 08 or on the 2005 2016 I’ve changed transmission filter once but not the oil. I even run the regular engine oil around 10 to 12,000 miles until new change. So do we really need to spend this extra money on all these filters and oil changes and transmission fluid changes?? What do you think?
I hear ya on that. I’m actually strongly considering a new SRW GMC Denali 3500 later this year. I’m keeping my ‘05 Duramax and ‘06 Cummins as “work and farm” trucks. I would just like to have something new that can still tow, plus come with all of the nice and updated features.
We must end the epa.
We don’t need any emission controls in my opinion
Yup: CCV filter is a suck butt service. Had my local mechanic do it.$400.00. I do my own oil changes BTW. Same with fuel filters.OIl and filter change,both fuel filters is 4 hours since I'm old and stiff. Amazon has best price for the OEM fuel filters by Cummins too.
Amen brother. The American are getting ripped off of hard earned money every day. God bless
In mid 2020 I was looking to replace my 2004 pickup with a used F-250 and the prices were jacked up. Inventory in Virginia was low so, I changed up and bought a new Truck. Inventories were also low, Dodge didn't have a diesel for sale in Virginia, not one! Chevy wanted a $10,000 Community Fee so I looked at Ford, limited inventory andmore than I needed but I had to have diesel, it's no contest when hauling. I just moved 4 tons of gravel in my F-250, it purred home not one scream like a gas engine would.
The DEF and Emissions is tyranny, the FEDS do stuff like this in every business sector these days. In transportation it's emissions control and NO Standards just new unproven regulations!
Your vote matters. Remember all of this and the compound effects when you go to the polls.
If you still believe your vote matters then you must also believe Biden (Obama's court jester) legitimately got 10 million more votes than Obama. The problem is most Americans still believe their "vote matters". You're delusional.
Ford F350 GAS 7.3 for the win.
I have stopped buying diesel pickups we went up to class 6 trucks which require a cdl. But the cost is about the same especially when you figure in the longevity.
I used to own a 2017 Ram3500 dually. Great pulling truck till the ABS control module went out. Ram couldn’t get a new part. So my truck was a piece of lawn art. I changed that same filter on my ram at 68k miles. East to do. You could save yourself a lot of money doing all your own oil changes and fuel filter changes. Change your fuel filters every 10k miles. Not necessary to do them every 5k. Look on rock auto for all your filters. Save your self a lot of money there too.
Hey Brock even though you were upset I never seen you as a mean person so if that's the worst you ever get , you should be a preacher. Thanks for the Ram info.
This is why I run my 2005 5.9 bought it new in 05 has a ton of miles on it last year rebuilt the motor new clutch went all thru the front end cost me 12 grand good for another 18 years same with my dump truck old w 900 3406 I’ll by the fuel my son bought a new dodge complete trash he sold it and bought a old one like mine they can have those new ones
Great plan
Power stroke help here on UA-cam turn out some gorgeous trucks obviously they are Ford’s but you could probably get pre emissions trucks out the door with engine warranty for under $50k I would think.
Yeah i've unplugged my EGR
Keep it simple and clean it up with no added announcements. It’s a good way to open a can of worms with no way to skin your catch. The government is and has overreacted by a large scale. For example I’d hate for the EPA or FBI to be snooping around and u get a birds nest. Totally get ur frustration. Just clean it and go on brother
RAM just dropped the MSRP of their trucks about ten percent. I'm sure the dealerships are going to adjust their "discounts" accordingly though. I'm about to have to order a 3500 and I'm guessing I be paying closer to MSRP because of the price drop.
Yeah I'll confirm - COVID prices on used trucks were insane even beyond insane. That's why I bought a "lesser" capable 2007 Classic Chevy Duramax 2500HD (Deleted and Tuned 5 on the fly) the bastards have lost their minds on all this DEF - DPF.
GET THE DELETE BROCK!
Brock on brother, Brock on!
Another reason to keep repairing my '93 Ford F-Super duty (F-450) with a 5.9lt 12v Cummins in it
Not just trucks, our 20' wm 65 tractor wont hold a candle to a 2006 that I borrowed. Theyre taking tiny diesel engines and turbo then revving and boosting the snot out of them. Dont have the down low torque.
I also heard people say that they have to bump the price up of vehicles because with the emissions wrecking the engine they need to have that extra buffer money for warranty repairs. Hence why caterpillar stopped making engines because of tier 4 emissions, they cant make them last and meet emission standard.
I actually found a loaded 2006 2500hd CCSB LBZ all stock with 142kmi in 2020 and I've had zero serious issues with it except I took the cooling stack out for cleaning and swapped transmission cooler lines for rubber upgrade. I wouldn't buy a newer model truck for any reason just because of all the bs in them totally unrelated to emissions and I do all my own maintenance, and repair what I can which is most things. I get your frustration but coming down hard on diesel emissions has been a good thing for air quality. I only use my truck for towing or truck stuff so it should get me well past 250kmi. Maybe I'll be able to cash in on the fear mongering in a few years after a legit hybrid gas/electric truck is available.
I should have added that as a nation we should be moving freight by train and do the short trips with over the road trucks, even better will be electric trucks in the pretty distant future.
I am 53. In my 20s and even 30s. When I want to work on my pickup engine that was made in the 70s. I would crawl into the engine compartment with my whole body and work on my engine. Today. I have a hard time getting my hand anywhere around the engine.
New cars and trucks are crazy with all the electronics and emissions. And they are problematic. I have an old truck and i hope it works for me for a while.
BUY PRE - EMISSIONS TRUCKS WITH LOW MILEAGE
I just bought a Cummins 05 5.9. With 77K miles.
I don't have to worry about any emissions, just maintenance.
It boils down to control.
We are from the god_vernment. We are here to help.
That's why alot of big rig owner operators are keeping their pre emissions trucks and totally rebuilding them. These newer computerized emissions riddled trucks are also less reliable and are extremely expensive to repair.
"DEF is like douche for your diesel engine" 😂
It's all about the money. Always follow the money.
Your experience is why I will avoid diesel trucks in the future.
"Delete" may not help you at all. All that's left is electronics, injectors, and many settings that will finish off your truck anyway. Sell it - if you can - and buy a strong gas one.
Delete definitely does help. The engines( especially diesels) run cooler, get better fuel economy, pull better, and last much longer. I was dubious at first, but after having a heavy truck and 550 hp Ag tractor , both deleted- they definitely perform much better, no question!
Thank you for saying this!! This emissions BS is why my new truck is gas. I’m not paying for a bunch of government mandated bs. Talk to me about deleting a 2038R. I’d love to get the done but can’t find anyone to do it.
My brother and I used to pick up rust free 5.9s, 7.3s etc, down in the southwest in the fall, drive them back to northern New England (hunt our way back in some cases) and spend the winter getting them back together to be sold in the spring. Did that until the mid/late 20-teens when people were starting to wise up to how much money was in that, (ebay motors, etc etc)... I cannot imagine how much the old, clean, pre-DEF diesels are going to be going for now and in the near future; have a clean'97 F-250 crew cab Powerstroke, and I think I have a list of about 10-12 people I'm supposed to call before I ever sell the darned thing; my brother the same with his 5.9.. if you see one cheap, might be the best investment you'll ever make.
I bought a 22 ram Cummins cuz I farm and have side business where i run dump trailer and a 5 ton mini. My truck cost $66k and i am absolutely blown away by the maintenance costs and emissions crap that goes on. And when you do the filter changes yourself you risk not doing it to spec and voiding the warranty if anything gies wrong.
I passed $75k a few months back went to tge dealers to have both fuel filter changed again and the otger 2 filters he mentioned they quoted me $940 and thats insane but they trued charging me $1440 for 2 hours of work that was just normal maintenance nothing broken. Freaking insane. I am going to keep this truck for a long time delete it and do my own maintenance at the farm. These regulations have made me a pretty strong anti environmentalist. We really really need to work together to drastically push back agaist these regulations, most viters just think yeah who doesnt want clean air regulate more but we are the ones that keep the food, energy, construction and trucking going. Without us the fine folks at EPA will be cold and hungry and have to walk to work and grow their own food...
Exactly
The emissions have warranties. If you can’t afford to repair it out of warranty then buy an older diesel or newer gas. I understand both sides being a former full time CDL driver myself. I rented a epa diesel skid steer and was very impressed with the clean exhaust and almost no smell. After working it hard for 12 hrs and breathing in the exhaust most of the time it had no effect on me. There was absolutely zero soot on the inside of the tailpipe on that turbo yanmar. I have become chemical sensitive over my like of being poisoned in the Army and driving trucks from the exhaust etc. that the smell and exposure have an immediate negative effect on my body. In the past I could withstand any exposure to fumes or chemicals with no response. Now one whiff of noxious fumes will give me an immediate headache and other I’ll effects.
Basically I am saying that we have known about the problems the emissions has put on diesels for a solid 20 years now. And when something breaks emissions related we have all been warned a thousand times already. I would still be mad but it is how it is to be expected and to be prepared for in the budget for future repairs if you “want” a newer diesel truck. If you “need” a newer diesel truck then what businesses do is up the charges to their customers and save for future out of warranty repairs or else they don’t operate a business they operate a hobby. One makes money and another is for enjoyment.
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My 2019 dodge caravan has 64K miles on it and has had 2 transmissions already. It's in the shop right now seeing if the 2nd can be repaired or if it needs replaced. New stuff isn't build good 😞😞
Didn't Cummins recently get fined more than a billion dollars over this? All my trucks have modified exhaust systems.
I think either your vehicle is poorly designed or your dealer is ripping you off. I have a 2015 F350 and my regular oil change at 10k is around $130/170 with fuel filters, my 100K was $750 and included coolant, transmission, gear, oil, and multiple filter changes all done at the dealer. My DEF filter isn't changed until 250k, but there was a recall and I had it changed at 110k, so now it will be 360k before changing again. The cost of meeting 2010 diesel standards averaged $1,000 in 2010, $2,800 per vehicle in 2024. That's includes big rigs.
I have a 2011 F250 with the 6.7L turbo diesel. Due to a Ford screw up, I ended up with a new DPF at 100k miles, about 3 years ago. I came very close to deleting my truck last year. BUT, I decided I wanted to buy one more new truck. With the EPA crack downs, Ford dealers will not touch a deleted truck. So I kept it stock and will buy a new truck this year, likely my last. My issue with the emissions crap is the impact on reliability. I tow a heavy trailer. If ANYTHING with the emissions goes wrong, you are in limp mode and cannot tow. Ridiculous.
The emissions standards set on our trucks are insane. My truck gets less mileage, less lifespan, and has had so much wasted driving just for regens. (When it had that crap on it) EGR’s are so bad for the motor. What really floors me is they now have additional factories for this stuff, additional trucks shipping it everywhere. Do you think that’s flown across the ocean on emission compliant planes or boats? No they have none. How about all the private jets that celebrities get to fly around on for fun? Taylor swift got to fly around for every football game on an emissions free jet which was probably more emissions than half the trucks in the country. The military and government must use them right? No, because it makes the vehicle unreliable. If they warrantied all of this stuff for 200k that may be a different story or atleast got rid of egrs that would help. I just did a ccv reroute on my 6.7 powerstroke the other day for the same reason
Nitrous oxide in the atmosphere is three hundred parts per BILLION. Less than one thousandth the ppm of CO2.
i egr deleted my 2017 mitsubishi 4 cylinder truck im in mexico its not illegal it ran much better i sold the truck to my brother in law i bought it new i now drive a 2002 toyota tundra that i got for cheap and i just got a 1965 cat d4d for cheap and i am learning to repair it, etc. much better than braking the bank and buy a new diesel engine that runs like a 1965 vw beetle am never buying diesel machines new again i agree with you
😂you are just finding this out it’s been all downhill since 2008
The new trucks are more capable, and some will argue better looking and more comfortable. I've had my current truck ('07 Ram 5.9) since 2011 when i purchased it used for not that much cheaper than a new rig with the 6.7. Only because i was a little skeptical about the new fangled emissions system. Many times throughout the years, I've considered swapping to a newer rig. I have never gone through with it and count my blessings when i hear stories about all the emissioned problems and costs. Fortunately, for me, the way i haul and use my truck, i can deal with the lower power (slower😊) and tow capacity. I feel for the guys who have heavier tow requirements and must use a newer, more complicated, restricted, and more powerful setup. Like everyone else predicts, i, too, think it's only going to get worse. Unfortunately.
The problem with all these regulations are being put in place by people who are not directly effected by them, I agree that we are all paying more for the good delivered by trucks with these emissions but we don't notice it because we just pay "X" amount for what ever product we buy and we don't see a line item that reads "fee for emissions on my truck". Further more I dare say none of the people maknig the rules are driving around in Powerstrokes, Duramaxes, or Ram/Cummins. Yes we could buy a gasoline truck but it's not nearly as effcient as diesel nor is it as powerful. It has been my experience that the best way to screw something up is to allow the government to "regulate" it. I am old enough to remember when Chrysler introduced the Cummins and most of the cowmen/farmers couldn't get their money out of their pockets fast enough because they were used to having big block 454's and 460's in their duallies that got all of 8mpg and the Cummins would double that when loaded and I know several people who got over 20mpg when unloaded. Then the government decided it was "here to help". As a steward of the land and the environment I say that there is no way that having all these emmisions is "helping" the environment after you consider the cost of the research, the cost of the manufacturing of the components, the cost of the 2.5 gallon jugs and the cardboard boxes, not to mention the diesel that's being burned during a "parked regen" there is no way this is better for the environmet. Ultimitely, the people whom we are electing to office are so out of touch with regular people they believe they can do whatever they want and we have to take it.
This was a great video have somebody who Farms full time for a living an extra 20 or 30,000 really hurt your bottom line
It depends. If you are farming 10,000 acres with millions of dollars of state of the art equipment. It may just be another tax write off that you don’t care about. But it still matters.
People people who live around me, are small farmers, and they are just barely making it from one season to the next, and mostly using old equipment.
I guarantee what their. Truck cost matters to them. I’m not a farmer, so my knowledge is limited.
@@RockhillfarmYT I have been on the Family Farm all my life we run about 200 cows I can tell you it gets rough sometimes but I feel blessed that God give me the ability to work what I love to do
@midwayfarms that’s the most important thing
Sorry Brock, your comment that someone deleted a truck and it was “just as clean” as the one that had aftertreatment on it is absolutely false. 13 years in diesel engine and aftertreatment engineering. I’m not saying you have to like it, but it does work and that is a fact I have witnessed with my own eyes.
Love your channel but you need to start doing the maintenance on your own truck, you could be saving a lot of money.
In this case, I was repeating a story that someone told me and I didn’t vet that story.
The owner of that diesel repair shop told me that there was a UA-cam channel who ran a diesel shop and frequently talked about deleting trucks.
said he published a video about the emissions being just as clean and the EPA came down on him.
He had to take the videos down and shut down that part of his business
The guy who told me that seemed pretty credible, but I should do my research before I say things on video
Ya right ! It works for a while when every thing is new and clean. After you get a few miles on them, then you pay through the nose to just keep them running. I’ve been wrenching on everything from go karts at age ten, I’ve built 5 seperate hot rods over 40 years, and have maintained my own farm machinery into my 70’s . This shit is not helping the environment in the long run, it’s hurting the environment!
A big part of your repair expenses is dealer markup and ignorance. Buy the filters yourself from Napa and you can get dpfs cleaned by small businesses that heat them to to required temp for a fraction of the cost of replacement.
Avoid diesels in pickups period. Buy a gaser and invest the diesel engine BS & premium maintenance cost into gasoline instead. Gas engines will last 200-300k miles with good maintenance, you'll end up ahead regarding cost and frustration.
Not to mention the fuel economy LOSS you take by having all that emissions crap on your truck! I guarantee you will see a significant improvement in your mpg after it’s deleted!
I agree with everything you just said. Good for you for saying something on here even though theres a TON of pc police to go along with all the safety nazis.
Diesel in truck 1 ton and under is nonsense. People think they have to have a diesel and they don't. For instance you can buy a new superduty with 10 speed transmission and 4.30 gears and do the same work as an overated diesel. You'd save thousands of dollars and no headaches
(The blue collar diesel drivers) Get this 20,000$ “fine” for building working and feeding America.
(The city people driving two or three blocks to work in their gassers taking an hour because of traffic) don’t look at us it’s those big bad diesel trucks and tractors
This is why voting matters.