Really useful video. I can’t wait to try out. My new downpipe for the RS3 shows up Thursday. I want to compare logs between 91 tune against 93 tune for road course. Also plan on running 93 tune at drag strip and want to get the most out of it so I want to make sure I am not pulling timing. Keep up the great content.
Been loving the RS3 content. I recently picked up a '18 RS3 and went Unitronic Stage 1+ E85 tune. Got Neuspeed rse102 19x9 wheels with 255 PS4S on all 4. No ethanol Guage yet, but I got an ethanol measuring tube. (also my station has a minimum of E70). The car pulls like nothing I've driven before, but I'm going to log it with VCDS like this to monitor it. Thanks!
Nice video!! It was fantastic to publish a video:) or the list showing all the parameters with VCDS needed to check a stage1 Stage2 and Stage3 for example to indicate the values to a tuner :) so it can check and verify if everything is correct and if it can improve the performance in the tune software! :) Thank You GREAT JOOB
If you ecu is aready adapted, you will not see any knock even with bad fuel. You need restar Ecu tô default to force the own timings with no adaptation yeat.
Uhhhhhh, ya. You might want to Google what you just claimed. That couldn't be further from the truth. Your car will not completely stop showing timing reductions if you continually use sh$t fuel. It doesn't work like that, lol.
Well, you were dead on. I’m seeing timing retardant on all cylinders running a stage 1 Uni with 91 Chevron gas. West coast gas sucks. I am seeing as much as 8 degrees pulled. I logged a WoT from 1-3 gear. I will try just a 3rd gear pull like you said in the video. Guess I have a lot of logging ahead of me to find decent 91 pump gas 😞
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there is no such thing as decent 91 pump gas, haha. You're better off grabbing some E85 from Northside Petroleum and adding a few liters every fill up. You'll see the majority of that timing retardation gone.
We suffer from the same issue with poor fuel. I'm going with a WMI setup to help cool iat and up the octane a little to help eliminate timing retardation
Great video. Enjoying the TTE700 series as well. Great idea to film the progressive change on different files/tunes. After watching one of your recent videos on the Audi S4, it got my interested to log my Rs3 as well. Vagcom arrives in the next few days which should be very interesting. Question before I go ahead and install an ethonal analyser for my car, adding 5-10% of E85 to a stock engine running an APR stage 2+ 93 tune on an Audi RS3 pre facelift 2015 model is ok to do so?
Thank you very much. Before you bother installing an analyzer, log your car and see how it's performing. If you see timing being pulled then yes, install the analyzer. Then add 5% ethanol. Your OEM fuel system can handle that fine as long as you aren't seeing any faults or lower pressure in your fuel system... which you can log as well with VCDS.
Good stuff. Did anyone ever figure out why cyl5 always had timing pull? Were there others with the same issue on that cylinder and that tune? That just seems odd to me. Cyl2 is usually the grumpy one on my GTI but not always.
Sadly, we were never able to diagnose the 5th cylinder timing pull on the Custom Code software. Once I switched to Unitronic software I have only seen very minor corrections in cylinder 2 and 3 every so often. From my experience, the noisiest cylinder on these 5 cylinders is cylinder 3.
Hello, how you made pre selection file and loaded to vcds advanced measuring values ( you lauded them from computer ) i cant find camshaft adaptation values in my vcds audi tfsi 2009 year ?
If you type in 'camshaft' or 'adaptation' and nothing comes up, that means it's either called something else or it doesn't exist for your year and model.
It totally depends on how much fuel is already in your tank, what your ethanol percentage is already and what ethanol percentage the pump gas you are adding in is. There are a ton of online calculators you can use to determine how much you need to add. Here is one of them: www.georgebelton.com/E85Calculator.php
Whichever one you want off their website. You can buy a cable that will work on 3 cars or 10 cars. You can also buy a more pricey model that will work on as many cars as you want
@vancity Audi very cool video. I tried to log my b8 s4 but I cannot find the "Timing angle retardation" for any cylinder under advance measuring values can someone please help.
I'm not sure how you would go about logging a B8 S4. The listed parameters in this video are specifically for an RS3 or TTRS. I would check the forums, like Audizine, for help. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
So if I do data logging and show that I have room to clean up my logs on 93 pump for my S4, could I possibly use a bit if E85 to make more power? My tuner told me never to run e85 but I want more power ):
You can comfortably run E15, have a bit better performance and clean up your logs by adding a little E85 to your fuel. Just make sure you are using an ethanol content analyzer to check on your levels at all times
Thanks for all your informative videos, learning a lot. I’m on Unitronic Stg 1 91oct Unitronic Stage 2 TCU on my 19 RS3. Do you think it’s safe to run their Stage 1+ 93oct file with a couple gallons of e85 to blend?
Technically it should be perfectly fine, but I would double check with Unitronic just to be on the safe side. You may need to add up to 30% ethanol to get the octane level up to the appropriate amount. So be very careful. I suggest an ethanol content analyzer to be installed in your car as well as testing the octane level yourself as well to be sure it is what the analyzer says it is
Vancity Audi that sounds like a good idea. I’ll contact unitronic l. Your videos are inspiring me to stage 2! Gonna drive my car stage 1 for a little while and go stage 2 next year. Keep up the great videos!
When you are selecting the individual parameters you want to log type in 'boost' instead of the ignition timing values and select up to 5 different types of variables you'd like to log
I am running a Unitronic stage 1+ tune on my golf and I run Petro Canada 94 octane. You mentioned that this gas isn’t good for power. Why is this? Do you think I am not achieving Unitronic’s claimed numbers? Thanks
I believe your Petro 94 has ethanol out on the East Coast of Canada. I'm referring to our West Coast Chevron 94 fuel which has zero percent ethanol and makes crap all for power.
@@Bossdog306 from my understanding there are 2 types of Petro 94 on the East Coast and I've been told that one of them works better then the other. I think it is the one called Ultra that has had the best performance gains
@@Zharsergey there are a whole bunch pre-selected. It records everything. I think it is around 40 different values at once.Then when you view the log you can de-select any item you don't want to see
I have a stage 2 rs3 tuned (unitronic )on 93 and timing is being pulled I see it pulled from -.75 to -3 . Imma see if putting some e85 fixes it. Or should I just go full e85?
@@Genesfilm I'd do some other diagnostics then. If you're running a Uni 93 octane tune on an E20 blend, you should not be seeing any timing correction at all.
@@danterry5447 Interesting. Unitronic must have a reason they recommended I log these variables to make sure everything is running optimally. Sadly, I am not 100% sure why they suggested these parameters and not include timing retardation in cylinder 1
@@VancityAudi yeah that does seem odd that they dont ask for it in logs. Worth adding in though as without it you are not seeing what is happening across the whole engine.
@@danterry5447 I just plugged in again to check and you are absolutely correct. I will add it in to the video description to log cylinder 1 as well as pinning a comment noting this. Thanks
This is amazing my man, thanks!
No problemo!
for the csv file notice that u can open it by Excel and convert it to any type of graph easily... keep up the good work
That you can! I just suggest Datazap because it is easy to use for anyone new to this.
Really useful video. I can’t wait to try out. My new downpipe for the RS3 shows up Thursday. I want to compare logs between 91 tune against 93 tune for road course. Also plan on running 93 tune at drag strip and want to get the most out of it so I want to make sure I am not pulling timing. Keep up the great content.
Thanks. Good luck with the logging!
Awesome info thanks, I have an older vag com cable and the older B7 RS4 to do some data logs now thanks to your info.
no problem.. Good luck with your logging
Been loving the RS3 content. I recently picked up a '18 RS3 and went Unitronic Stage 1+ E85 tune. Got Neuspeed rse102 19x9 wheels with 255 PS4S on all 4. No ethanol Guage yet, but I got an ethanol measuring tube. (also my station has a minimum of E70). The car pulls like nothing I've driven before, but I'm going to log it with VCDS like this to monitor it. Thanks!
Congrats on the ride and good luck!!!
@@VancityAudi any reason not to just include cylinder 1 timing retardation to the list?
@@scottc78 check out the write up in the video description. You can and should log all of them. I just don't in the video.
Nice to get a peak of a different platform. I am still with BMW right now but I am planning to purchase a TT RS sometime in 2020.
You won't regret it. The TT-RS is one hell of a car
Nice video!!
It was fantastic to publish a video:) or the list showing all the parameters with VCDS needed to check a stage1 Stage2 and Stage3 for example to indicate the values to a tuner :) so it can check and verify if everything is correct and if it can improve the performance in the tune software!
:)
Thank You
GREAT JOOB
Thanks for the kind words. Glad this video helps.
good job man!thanks for it from an italian garage tuner :)
No problem! Glad you found it useful
If you ecu is aready adapted, you will not see any knock even with bad fuel.
You need restar Ecu tô default to force the own timings with no adaptation yeat.
Uhhhhhh, ya. You might want to Google what you just claimed. That couldn't be further from the truth. Your car will not completely stop showing timing reductions if you continually use sh$t fuel. It doesn't work like that, lol.
@@VancityAudi if you right great I will do the test right now, I use shit fuel with 10% of alcohol…
I will love to see if I’m losing power….thx
I have a Rs5
Well, you were dead on. I’m seeing timing retardant on all cylinders running a stage 1 Uni with 91 Chevron gas. West coast gas sucks. I am seeing as much as 8 degrees pulled. I logged a WoT from 1-3 gear. I will try just a 3rd gear pull like you said in the video.
Guess I have a lot of logging ahead of me to find decent 91 pump gas 😞
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there is no such thing as decent 91 pump gas, haha. You're better off grabbing some E85 from Northside Petroleum and adding a few liters every fill up. You'll see the majority of that timing retardation gone.
We suffer from the same issue with poor fuel. I'm going with a WMI setup to help cool iat and up the octane a little to help eliminate timing retardation
Keep up the great work AGame! :-)
Thanks! Will do!
Thank you! Great video.
No problem. Thanks!
Thank you for the info bro👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
No problem 👍
Great video. Enjoying the TTE700 series as well. Great idea to film the progressive change on different files/tunes.
After watching one of your recent videos on the Audi S4, it got my interested to log my Rs3 as well. Vagcom arrives in the next few days which should be very interesting.
Question before I go ahead and install an ethonal analyser for my car, adding 5-10% of E85 to a stock engine running an APR stage 2+ 93 tune on an Audi RS3 pre facelift 2015 model is ok to do so?
Thank you very much. Before you bother installing an analyzer, log your car and see how it's performing. If you see timing being pulled then yes, install the analyzer. Then add 5% ethanol. Your OEM fuel system can handle that fine as long as you aren't seeing any faults or lower pressure in your fuel system... which you can log as well with VCDS.
Good stuff. Did anyone ever figure out why cyl5 always had timing pull? Were there others with the same issue on that cylinder and that tune? That just seems odd to me. Cyl2 is usually the grumpy one on my GTI but not always.
Sadly, we were never able to diagnose the 5th cylinder timing pull on the Custom Code software. Once I switched to Unitronic software I have only seen very minor corrections in cylinder 2 and 3 every so often. From my experience, the noisiest cylinder on these 5 cylinders is cylinder 3.
I added octane booster to correct my e40 file tune ignition correction.
I don't recommend doing this due to the corrosive nature of octane boosters. They destroy your spark plugs.
@@VancityAudi gotcha
@@VancityAudi it sure did help tho. 😂
@@WillieWheels it sure does! Pure octane!
Hello, how you made pre selection file and loaded to vcds advanced measuring values ( you lauded them from computer ) i cant find camshaft adaptation values in my vcds audi tfsi 2009 year ?
If you type in 'camshaft' or 'adaptation' and nothing comes up, that means it's either called something else or it doesn't exist for your year and model.
How many liters of e85 are you adding?Trading in my TT and S3 for a 2018 RS3 in white so I will be VanisleAudi!LOL.Keep up the great videos.
It totally depends on how much fuel is already in your tank, what your ethanol percentage is already and what ethanol percentage the pump gas you are adding in is. There are a ton of online calculators you can use to determine how much you need to add. Here is one of them: www.georgebelton.com/E85Calculator.php
Hello very helpful!!
One question wich one of all ross tech products should I buy to achieve the same results?
Thank you!
Whichever one you want off their website. You can buy a cable that will work on 3 cars or 10 cars. You can also buy a more pricey model that will work on as many cars as you want
Did you ever log your car while cruising? I have some corrections while cruising at low load (between 0.75 and 2.63 degrees).
No, those logs won't provide the information you're looking for to make sure your car is running properly at WOT.
@vancity Audi very cool video. I tried to log my b8 s4 but I cannot find the "Timing angle retardation" for any cylinder under advance measuring values can someone please help.
I'm not sure how you would go about logging a B8 S4. The listed parameters in this video are specifically for an RS3 or TTRS. I would check the forums, like Audizine, for help. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
So if I do data logging and show that I have room to clean up my logs on 93 pump for my S4, could I possibly use a bit if E85 to make more power? My tuner told me never to run e85 but I want more power ):
You can comfortably run E15, have a bit better performance and clean up your logs by adding a little E85 to your fuel. Just make sure you are using an ethanol content analyzer to check on your levels at all times
Thanks for all your informative videos, learning a lot. I’m on Unitronic Stg 1 91oct Unitronic Stage 2 TCU on my 19 RS3. Do you think it’s safe to run their Stage 1+ 93oct file with a couple gallons of e85 to blend?
Technically it should be perfectly fine, but I would double check with Unitronic just to be on the safe side. You may need to add up to 30% ethanol to get the octane level up to the appropriate amount. So be very careful. I suggest an ethanol content analyzer to be installed in your car as well as testing the octane level yourself as well to be sure it is what the analyzer says it is
Vancity Audi that sounds like a good idea. I’ll contact unitronic l. Your videos are inspiring me to stage 2! Gonna drive my car stage 1 for a little while and go stage 2 next year. Keep up the great videos!
@@gaspasser_ thanks. Will do!
Hey how do I log the boost on this thing, just got it and trying to see how to make it work.
When you are selecting the individual parameters you want to log type in 'boost' instead of the ignition timing values and select up to 5 different types of variables you'd like to log
I am running a Unitronic stage 1+ tune on my golf and I run Petro Canada 94 octane. You mentioned that this gas isn’t good for power. Why is this? Do you think I am not achieving Unitronic’s claimed numbers?
Thanks
I believe your Petro 94 has ethanol out on the East Coast of Canada. I'm referring to our West Coast Chevron 94 fuel which has zero percent ethanol and makes crap all for power.
Vancity Audi ok good to know! Keep up the awesome videos
@@Bossdog306 from my understanding there are 2 types of Petro 94 on the East Coast and I've been told that one of them works better then the other. I think it is the one called Ultra that has had the best performance gains
Would an rs3 with stock motor/trans be reliable running unitronic stage 2 e60-e85 file?
That is what the tune was made for. A stock engine and stock transmission
for some reason it doesnt show me a graph when i upload the csv, do you know the reason why?
If your file size is too large it won't work. It has to be under 3MB I think.
How can we see alcoohol % in gasoline with vcds??
You can't. That's why I always suggest people install an ethanol content alnalyzer before they start blending ethanol into their pump gas.
How do i log bmws with vcds?
You don't. VCDS works for VW's and Audi's
Can you comment on if Uniconnect+ has data logging. Site says it is in development? Trying to make a decision if to get instead of vcds.
They do! It is VASTLY superior to VCDS for its logging capability. I'll be making a video on it soon enough
@@VancityAudi Curious to see if unitronic pre arranges the channel selection or you can pick and choose manually.
@@Zharsergey there are a whole bunch pre-selected. It records everything. I think it is around 40 different values at once.Then when you view the log you can de-select any item you don't want to see
I have a stage 2 rs3 tuned (unitronic )on 93 and timing is being pulled I see it pulled from -.75 to -3 . Imma see if putting some e85 fixes it. Or should I just go full e85?
By blending up to an E20 mixture you will see zero timing correction on their 93 tune.
@@VancityAudi bet! Appreciate the fast reply my man 🤙🏽🤙🏽
So I put e20 -& it runs better but still pulls timing but just not nearly as much
@@Genesfilm I'd do some other diagnostics then. If you're running a Uni 93 octane tune on an E20 blend, you should not be seeing any timing correction at all.
@@VancityAudi where would you start ?and what should I look for?
What do you think about using JB4 to log?
Sadly I've never used it before so I wouldn't be able to comment
Why not log the timing pull on cyl1 as well ?
I do not believe there is a parameter in VCDS to do so
@@VancityAudi I am sure it is in the variables list, just not with 2,3,4 and 5.
@@danterry5447 Interesting. Unitronic must have a reason they recommended I log these variables to make sure everything is running optimally. Sadly, I am not 100% sure why they suggested these parameters and not include timing retardation in cylinder 1
@@VancityAudi yeah that does seem odd that they dont ask for it in logs. Worth adding in though as without it you are not seeing what is happening across the whole engine.
@@danterry5447 I just plugged in again to check and you are absolutely correct. I will add it in to the video description to log cylinder 1 as well as pinning a comment noting this. Thanks
How much does the uni stage2 E85 timing can be achieved?
28.5 degrees of peak timing on my car