Why the Music in Les Misérables (2012) is Worse than you Thought
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Do you hear the people sing?
Me neither
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"Beyond the Barricade: Adapting Les Misérables for the Cinema" by Ian Shapiro
I only found this source after going through my music library after going to grad school, well after I'd made this video. Had I had access to it while making this video I naturally would have cited it because it's such an amazing source on the production for this film.
Sorry to Ian Shapiro, and I wish finding academic sources while outside of academia was easier and not behind a paywall
"Beyond the Barricade: Adapting Les Misérables for the Cinema" by Ian Shapiro
Mackintosh's comment on the rights to Les Mis
www.contactmusic.com/les-mise...
Fantastic document listing the leitmotifs in Les Mis
www.yumpu.com/en/document/rea...
Great post about Les Mis being symmetrical
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Russel Crowe on Shazam!
• Shazam! - 26 Nov 1985 ...
New York Vocal Coaching, an absolutely AMAZING UA-cam channel that you should sub to if you're at all interested in Vocal Tech
• Ep. 89 "How To Sing Fa...
Russel Crowe discussing his audition process
• Russell Crowe on Audit...
The French version of "Do You Hear The People Sing?"
• À La Volonté Du Peuple...
The cast warming up before the 85th Oscars
• Les Misérables 85th Ac...
Erik Olsson's post about Bernadette Peters and Sunday in the Park with George
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Hugh Jackman discussing his weight loss
• Interview: Les Miserab...
Anne Hathaway's interview about her singing experience on set
• Les Miserables - Inter...
Kevin Lynch's FANTASTIC video about "Bring Him Home" - I cannot recommend his channel enough, he's AMAZING
• Break Down the Score t...
Crowe and Jackman singing live
• The Confrontation live...
Jackman singing live
• Hugh Jackman performs ...
For posterity, just in case you don't believe me when I say that musicals are all about speaking - singing - dancing
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if I forgot anything please do not hesitate to let me know
I want to be sure that everyone gets properly credited!
good god i am sick of directors and actors literally almost killing themselves for "authenticity" and the oscars rewarding them for it
Being inhumane to your cast is not a ‘sacrifice for the art’ it doesn’t matter if you pay them 500 million dollars, it’s abuse from an employer. The oscars awarding this is so repulsive it makes my skin crawl.
Right?! It's this behaviour that led to Leonardo Di Caprio in the Revenant. Fine, he did a great job, but when you get to this point, is it even acting? No disrespect meant to Leo or Annie or anyone else, I really like them both. But aren't those specific Oscars for the best acting performance? I'm sure anyone can react in horror to having their head shaved and wading in the mire to reach an uncomfortable bath all the while trying to sing thirsty and tired. Or go through the awfulness of the plot of the Revenant and look like you're having an awful time. It sounds mean and I again, I don't mean to denigrate them (it is surely on the directors in most cases)... But they could just actually act it without having to actually bear the pain of it. Leo didn't die of hypothermia and drowning in Titanic, but then if he did tbf maybe he would've won an Oscar then? You're right that this system just leads to more and more actors flagellating themselves for roles and then for awards prestige which then leads to more roles and prestige. For example, Christian Bale's body must be a wreck! Reminds me of how Henry Cavill has to dehydrate himself for days in the same way as Hugh for his shirtless scenes in The Witcher. It's not healthy and doesn't it kind of ruin it on rewatches to know that they were suffering? Let them act!
@@richardbourton4523 I don't see anything wrong with suffering for your art. The Revenant will be remembered as one of Leo's best roles and for good reason. I do think the Oscars is a joke though. Some of what makes certain actors so damn impressive is their dedication to their craft. It comes down to the question of, would you rather be healthy or interesting.
@@Daniel-cw5yv Healthy and interesting should be rewarded by the Oscars, not just interesting. They're the Oscars for a reason, they should be able to find a film which can do both.
I mean, I still have respect for Tom Hanks' preparation for Castaway, and some people say that playing Joker lead to Heath Ledger's death (personally I would say unless you're a psychologist don't make claims like that), but the thing is, no one should be _forced_ to do anything like that. Sure, it lead to some great performances, but part of that was it being at least somewhat voluntary.
In reference to water I once had a voice teacher who said, “If you wanna sing right, you gotta pee white.”
Healthy pee is 1 to 3... 4 to 8, you must hydrate.
My marching band in high school was very competitive, and my director used to tell us that if our pee wasn’t clear we weren’t drinking enough and were letting the other members down lol
When I used to sing stuff the vocal teacher I want to said 'sing wet, pee clear'
WHITE?
@@jirachisob5633 prolly means "clear" or as close to clear as possible
Hearing the actors _actually_ singing makes me wish they got a director who respects musicals. We could've had so much!
I understand the show is LITERALLY called Les Miserables, but that's doesn't mean EVERYONE INVOLVED HAD TO BE ACTUALLY MISERABLE 😣 So much respect to everyones sacrifice to make this movie, seriously hats off
Also I never knew the tearing of the paper was supposed to go with the orchestra beats but that hits SO MUCH HARDER when it does! My god that was exhilarating to see for the first time in this video
Finally, somebody who appreciates the sacrifices of those who created this fabulous production.
@@happinesstan. The film is still bad.
Watching the Les Miserables 25th anniversary show is such a revelation. They do everything so perfectly in that show.
I didn't understand how bad this was until he compared it to how bad the orchestra was treated, I play saxophone, and can barely handle one hour of constant play
They will have had worse, that’s what orchestras do. They play music hours on end. That’s what they are paid to do.
pros are trained for long days but for wind players (i’m a clarinettist) i can’t imagine that their embouchure will have held up perfectly. they train for stamina though!
@@xx_izzyxx2250 you sound like my HR.
@@xx_izzyxx2250 But for 10 hours straight?? Constantly, to the point where they are begging for a 2 minute break? That could have crippled their professional music career. They were not paid enough for that.
@@xx_izzyxx2250 Orchestras are NOT paid to play 'performance' level for multiple hours on end. Sure, they may PRACTICE for hours on end, but its often at a significantly reduced strain. They had to go all out for hours.
This is like a horror movie for vocalists. I audibly gasped in horror when he mentioned DEPRIVING HIMSELF OF WATER FOR 36 HOURS. Like, holy shit
When I'm doing an hour of PRACTICE I drink at least 4 bottles throughout to keep myself sounding even vaguely presentable. I also gasped and clutched my throat in solidarity
To quote Joseph Joestar : OH GOOOOODDDD!!
this video is what got me back intodrinkign water. Hearing Davis like that, I couldn't imagine that much damage or what it might feel like
im a vocalist, it aint.
You Can't sing, CAN'T sing with so little water very well. That was terrifying to find out. Plus so little water hurts everything else!
As a vocalist and a clarinet player, the fact that anything in this ever happened is horrifying
So it was basically a method acted musical movie called"The Miserables"?
@@erikbihari3625method acting isn't always good, unless you think a death in a movie should be real
@@joedav67 the largest r/wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh you will ever have
Having the band going so many hours without breaks is terrifying. Ive only ever played lighter instruments (my specialties are flute and violin) and going for a few hours in band practice without breaks kills my muscles. *EIGHT HOURS* is insane I feel so bad for them especially those with heavier instruments. Their whole bodies would be in serious pain for literal days.
Their fingers/hands/wrists/shoulders, and the throats/mouths/lips of any wind players, must’ve been in such intense pain. The longest I’ve ever played my clarinet in one sitting was about 3 hours and by the end of it the only parts of me that weren’t tired and sore were my legs lol
@@shammyturtle9741 exactly. It’s insane to imagine going for eight whole hours. Three is insanely painful. I can’t even picture how much pain those guys were in.
I'm sure Tom Hooper had a thing for overworking his employees.
Like, he gets a kick out of it.
String instruments aren’t bad to play long. I play for 4 hours at a time on guitar just for fun
I have actually played for 8+ hours in high school for honor bands, but I had breaks in between. I play clarinet, and even that little thing had me in pain. My hands ached and my thumb was rubbed so raw I had to ice it on break. My lips were so damn puffy from constant playing, and my jaw was off for a week. Even my back and chest hurt. When we got the chance to get up and walk around I bolt up almost immediately. I've also sang for ridiculously long rehearsals and even that sucks. Breaks are needed if you want top quality performances.
The clips of the director saying "no one asked him to do it" to hugh jackman saying "he asked me to look unrecognizable" are hilariously next to each other
it honestly kinda makes everyone look SUPER suspicious
at this point, i'm not gonna rule out tomothy here doing some super weird pressuring on his actors to do harmful shit (like what happened with anne hathaway's weight loss and on-camera haircut)
@@flamepunk8683 What’s harmful about getting a haircut? Don’t be such a baby
@@ohwellwhateverr There's nothing inherently harmful about getting a haircut, yes, you're right. Congrats. But it does make it very demanding for the sake of "realism". It's kinda degrading, lasts for (obviously) a lot longer than just doing it fake, and means you basically get one take which is a lot of pressure on everyone involved. All in all, while it's not the worst thing by a mile, it's just... not necessary?
@@Charbified fucking THANK YOU
it's also on camera, meaning whatever degradation would be there is gonna be shown around in theatres and shit, it's not something you'd just *do* on a whim, and i doubt it was against her will or anything, but it really just highlights the way the producers saw their actors in that movie.
Especially when beauty standards and shit in hollywood, mainstream media, etc, for women especially, and concerning their hair, i doubt it would have been all that pleasant, and there's a hundred ways to get the same effect without degrading your performers.
Maybe he could have lost some weight, jacked himself up and not dehydrated himself? Prisoners back in those days would have been drinking water. And there's a difference between the look of a bodybuilder's body and a guy who does a lot of hard labour on low rations all day, so it probably didn't even look that accurate.
They made the orchestra play for 10 hours straight?? That could have ruined any of those musicians careers. I feel sorry for the conductor.
I'm sure they were handsomely rewarded for their efforts.
@@jimmunster57 a-and? For a professional musician, getting hurt permanently as a result of playing music (which often results in never being able to play that instrument at a professional level again) would be a death sentence for their career and rob them of a skill they've built up with thousands of practice hours over the course of decades. How many millions per member of the orchestra would the company have to dish out to sufficiently compensate for that risk? I don't think there's any amount of money in the world that can make up for such a loss.
And the music in Les Mis is one of the hardest musicals' music to play.
@@jimmunster57 Lol, musicians getting paid. That's something new
I think they only had one pianist playing while they sung, not the entire orchestra
Hugh Jackman’s “All I did was STEAL SOME BREAD” has lived rent free in my head since I saw this in cinemas.
He sounds like he’s getting punched in the gut with every word. XD
@@Dreigonix with how dehydrated he was, he might as well have been punched. It mightve been a better performance
He was trying to sing like someone who was loosing his temper
Thank you for including that brief clip of Jackman and Crowe singing live together! I appreciate the redemption and proof they're so much better than what ended up in the film.
I like Jackman’s singing… when it’s directed well. He has a nice voice, but like every instrument it needs to be directed well
@@voguishthrone5887 Not to mention, properly hydrated. Still not over that water thing.
@@jbvader721 yeah- that is such a *bizarre* thing to do to yourself, *especially* in a singing role
@@voguishthrone5887 An experienced singer like Jackman should've known better and Tom Hooper shouldn't have encouraged him. But Hooper isn't musically inclined to know how dangerous that was.
I came across this video where Crowe was singing with Jeff Leyton (who played Valjean on stage before and was one of the Valjean actors who sang "Do You Hear The People Sing?" in the "Les Mis: The Dream Cast in Concert" back in 1995) where they sing "The Confrontation". And honestly, Crowe sounds a lot better. Aside from the fact that he was thankfully not overworked and dehydrated during this time, I have a feeling he asked Leyton for vocal help and he end up singing the song the way it's supposed to be sung, which explains why he sounds a lot better.
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The way Hollywood treats its actors health and weight is DISGUSTING. The reason Jackman was so casual about literally dehydrating himself is probably because he was USED TO DOING IT in work on other movies. Any time you see an actor with razor sharp cut abs-theyre most definitely dangerously dehydrated. The body needs fat and water.
Off topic, but I love your pfp. It's adorable.
I would much rather watch a movie with blatant practical/computer effects than know the talent put themselves in serious danger to achieve a particular look, I tell you what. And Ann Hathaway immediately going on record saying "*This was not impressive, I did to look like I was dying, don't do this*" and directors still demand dangerous crap... disgusting.
I would agree but you can also give up the roles for YOUR own health. As adults we like to blame other things for issues we’ve caused for ourselves. I don’t think ANYONE should starve themselves, dehydrate themselves, harm themselves FOR ANY REASON let alone a role but if you do it anyways… knowing better… uhhhh I think both the actor and the directors are to blame, not just one. This does not go for child actors though.
@@bunniesinatrenchcoat1809 under a certain amount of duress, your choices are not entirely your own
@@bunniesinatrenchcoat1809 Since it's currently an industry norm, actors don't really have a choice with this. It's like poor conditions for factory workers in sweatshops or the industrial revolution, if you're unwilling to put up with this treatment someone else will be more than willing to take your place and your paycheck.
Seeing Hugh Jackman go from a dehydrated, yellow-eyed raggety pink skeleton covered in hair, to transforming into The Greatest Showman full of smooth melodies and charisma, shows why hydration, rest and rehearsal breaks are important!!! For the love of god, Hollywood, never do this again! xD
Agreed, it was awful how they were treated, but I didn't really like The Greatest Showman either. Imo, they took an awful man who was literally very abusive and turned him into a hero.
@@420catboi It's all about the perspective from the context. The whole world was abusive towards the 'freaks,' and in that world he was a shining light of acceptance, opportunity and respect. He offered them jobs, gave them a family, etc etc. That there were wage disputes or he teased them for what made them unique and caricaturized them for the sake of the show, may make him something evil in the modern day, in a world where 'weirdos' automatically have more than he offered, thus he would only be taking away. But at the time, all of it was better than what they would have gotten from anyone else, and what more can you ask for besides improvement from where you are now? And they stayed because there wasn't anything better for them- he was peak human rights for them. So to those people, he was their hero, and if we have to polish what he did to make him come across that way to us, so be it.
@@420catboi I see what you mean but it see these kinds of films as fictional works. Like the Conjuring films, I really like them but the warrens in real life were frauds
@@frde2190 I agree. Fictionally, they're stunning pieces of work. But at the same time, I think it's important for people to know the real history behind these stories and why they're so impactful as well. But that's just my opinion. I totally see where you're coming from tho.
@@frenchbreadstupidity7054 I recommend watching Jenny nicholsons video on greatest showman
the fact that this train wreck was Redmayne’s first vocal performance and years later he was cast as Emcee in Cabaret and slayed it so hard he won Olivier in Best Actor in Musical for it is mind blowing to me
He got better!
He probably had singing classes in drama school.
He was so good that when he first appeared I was like, “Oh, finally! At least they brought *someone* in from musical theatre!” (I had never heard of him before).
I remember when it was just released people were questioning the non famous names in the cast, if they could perform. And then there was a video of just a sound of Eddie Redmayne singing Ave Maria and it was so good and people were like yup, I think he would be a good Marius. I try to search it again around here but I couldn't find it anymore.
Russell Crowe singing as an eighties post punk boy is not something i knew i needed in my life.
I think Tom Hooper just wanted to make everyone miserables.
I see what you did there
Lmaoo
Ah, very thematic.
The true Miserables was the crew all along
The Second French Revolution took place in 1832, when Victor Hugo published the Hunchback of Notre Dame. It's kind of thematic to Hugo's life, as he wrote Les Mis almost 30 years after he wrote Hunchback, and set it to the same time when he published the latter book. Hunchback is actually pretty miserable, and even though Les Miserables had a happy ending, I think it would have worked better if it was published in 1832 instead of Hunchback.
"We just sing at each other on an otherwise deathly silent set" God....how awkward...
Reminds me of that wrestling video with the empty arena where Bray Wyatt monologues at John Cena and it's dead quiet, and suddenly wrestling taunts turn into a soliloquy from a conceptual play, and John looks sooo uncomfortable
Let's talk about how incredibly painful this must have been. This is so sad. Les Mis is a beautiful and heartbreaking musical they didn't have to torture the cast & crew to get this shitty performance.
This UA-cam channel has a video about the same Director and how horribly he messed up the music in Cats (2019). After this nightmare production, I'm surprised he was allowed to continue in his profession. I can't imagine he ever had the best interest of the actors and their health on his priority list. Not to mention the orchestra. You can imagine how he treated the camera crew and everybody else on set if he's that horrible with star actors.
I really recommend the Cats analysis. It's one hour and five minutes, but if you start around the 50th minute, the narrator goes into overdrive.
There are a lot of comments on that video saying how many times they have watched it because of how good the analysis is, and how much passion the UA-cam creator has.
Considering the name, story and meaning of the name of Les Mis, torturing the cast and crew netted a remarkably more realistic performance than they would have otherwise.
@@sorashirogami1729. Wow, so you think the real world is a piece of turd. Why do you think clean places exist? Because people built and keep them tip top!
@@erikbihari3625 Your reply has the faintest of relations to my comment, juuust enough for me to be unable to say that it has nothing to do with my comment at all. Well done.
Just so we're clear here, I was making a joke about how the cast and crew were miserable when making a production titled, you guessed it, The Miserable People. That's what Les Miserables mean. That's all there is to it. Evidently, it flew over your head, although considering how this joke is so lowbrow it's a tripping hazard in hell it is actually impressive how fucking stupid you have to be to miss my point so hard. Well done, you dingus.
@@sorashirogami1729 Still, I'd argue that the entire performance could've benefited if the 'musical' part of the entire production didn't have to be the one to compromise when everything quite literally originates from a musical. It's one thing to make a good normal dialogue-heavy film, but it's another to make a musical act like a dialogue-heavy film with all the sacrifices of a dialogue-heavy film. It just doesn't work to serve the same purpose, and if Hooper wanted that he could've done that - but instead he opted for a half-assed gimmicky setup. They told the story of Les Mis but didn't bother trying to do it the way Les Mis wanted it to be done.
Was the performance in the movie itself great? It was emotionally riveting, so of course it wasn't bad. But it's more of a luck of the draw that the cast itself was just competent and lucky enough to have at least made it into what it was. Had they been 1% less lucky, the performance would have toppled, and they wouldn't have gotten at least a half-decent musical film out of it. They shouldn't have risked that and should've opted for the more secure and more impactful decision of just keeping the musical's integrity as a musical, and to have allowed their actors to facilitate that by ensuring that the production kept their eye on the integrity of their vocal performances. But they didn't, because Hooper couldn't care less.
The fact no one received permanent vocal damage because of this is a mother fucking miracle.
“Compare this-“ Hugh Jackman singing plays
“To this-“ UA-cam shoving an old spice ad in my face
Great timing youtube
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OLD SPICE IS POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Terry creys is better
Same except a Navy ad lol
POWAAAAAAAAH
I love the fact that the pianist is in a cage. Naughty pianists go to piano jail
Piano jail! 😂
C A G E T H E P I A N I S T
So they don't run away from this movie
Bonk
Go to piano jail B O N K
Just to correct something: Eddie Redmayne did musical theater when he was younger and was in tons of school productions.
Yeah I also thought this- he was a choral scholar through school and then also at Trinity college Cambridge, so he actually had a pretty rigorous background
makes sense, because he is the only one who acts like he is in a musical and knows how to sell it (besides Barks obviously)
@@writerintherye
And Aaron Tveit! He’s so good
I remember watching half of the Les Mis movie on Netflix and I thought it was pretty good. A few months later I watched Les Mis at a huge theatre near me and I was blown away, I loved it and it was actually great. Then I finished the Les MIs movie and I felt disappointed because the musical was just so so good I couldn’t watch the movie and pretend it was decent. Like the musical was so good to me at the end I started clapping so hard my mom thought i was clapping for one of the hot actors. When that kid died I teared up, when the kid died in the movie I just felt nothing. The musical is 1000x better than the movie and now I understand why people trashed on the movie so much.
To this day I have never watched the full movie, even though I love Les Miserables; it was the first musical I ever saw. I read the book as well and watched the BBC film adaptation multiple times. This movie just offends my sensibilities. Of course, Samantha Barks knocks it out of the park but she is the only thing I can appreciate in this disaster.
the movie was my first exposure to Les Mis. when I saw it, my first reaction was "so this is the musical that everyone loves so much? it's kinda meh"
then I went and saw a stage production at a local theater. it BLEW ME AWAY. I was so touched by the story and emotion. I cried so hard at multiple points, that after it was done, the person I saw it with had to ask if I was ok.
I haven't seen the movie again since then, but I have seen this video about a dozen times, and that's about enough for me lol.
this was me with the into the woods Disney movie versus the 1980 broadway musical on UA-cam I can't even get through the movie anymore LMAO
I actually watched the movie first, and was like meh about it, couldn't see why it was an award winning musical. Years later I watched the 10th anniversary theatre version and was blown. Away. It made me, an atheist, have a religious experience at the line 'to love another is to see the face of God'. And this video laid it all out so clearly why the disparity is huge! Phantom of the opera (25th anniversary) and Les Mis (10th anniversary) are now my top two musicals ❤️
They made a "mehvie"
"This just sounds like the ravings of a dying woman."
*Scene shows the ravings of a dying woman*
I know right? I laughed there, but I guess she’s not suppose to sound like she’s dying. Forfeiting the nice singing for some acting and starving/dying of thirst for “authenticity” is dumb, cause the singing is the hallmark of the show
@@TicklishCrown I disagree on that one. On film we are way closer to the actors and actresses than in a theatre, so for me the acting has to be more important than the singing. In music theatre you have singing with acting and in this film it is acting with singing.
@@blauespony1013 Yeah, but the music itself is the narrative device. I'd get it if you said "acting first and stunt work after", but the emotions and impact of the scenes literally rely on the quality of the singing voice. That's what a musical is. And that's why musicals are so hard to make into movies. On stage, the emotions have to be big, and the songs make those emotions big. Film is a medium from which audiences expect subtler performances, therefore, making emotions big through songs work usually to a fault.
@@PabloLopez-rp7lq but the whole point was to try something different with this musical and put the acting first. It was experimental and I think it worked. It put you in the scene much more than if they were to sing flawlessly no matter the circumstance. But that's just my opinion. That's why I prefer the movie version of the soundtrack rather than the stage version (though I'm sure saying that is straight up heresy on this channel).
TicklishCrown choosing to have the musical performance be less “ethereal” than the stage performance is a choice; you can like or dislike it, but it’s not an inherently invalid one. Personally, I like the effect of having the characters sing in a way that reflects their physical performance.
If singing for 8 hours a day can ruin your voice box, then playing a stringed instrument for the same amount every day will absolutely shred your wrists. The bass and cello players must have been on fire
I played violin from late elementary to early high school. The wrists won't just be on fire, so will the entire goddamn hands, backs, and rears. Oh and arms! Playing for 2 consecutive hours was always hard for me but I managed to push through. I can't imagine 3 without breaks in between. Those poor musicians most likely had something damaged by the end of their recording
@@sunchasericeserawings7166 The butt and back was worst for me. Literally no breaks in between playing to lay back made my back try to kill itself. Worse was we sat on those metal folding chairs so our tail bone and hips literally die inside. I think I’ll die at 30 because a clot that built up from my performances will come loose and block my heart.
@@themanwithallthewrongopini3551 oof. Yeah as I'm older with a back and tailbone injury I think those would kill me more nowadays. Good goddess... I feel so bad for all these musicians
@@sunchasericeserawings7166 I was lucky to have a front row seat to see Ben Folds performing with YMusic. The violinist played with her whole body so much so that her hair was swinging about. She must have gotten completely exhausted but she gave that violin LIFE!
@@starkman78 oh yeah, that would be exhausting but worth it
Hugh. Hun. Why are you giving a better performance at a god damn karaoke night than in the actual movie
Probably because he didn't go into the karaoke performance after not drinking water for 36 hours
@@elsie8757amazing what you can sound like when you're not torturing yourself
@@jplayzowI want to laugh but this is legit what happened
@@stellarluna1834 Yeah go figure doing literally everything the wrong way to get a good product doesn't get a good product
Well because he wasn't drinking water and...did you watch the video?
i’m a classically trained vocalist. when i got to the part where jackman admitted to NOT DRINKING WATER BEFORE SINGING i really did have a stroke lol
Did you recover by the time he explained why was it wrong? 😂
I bet you needed more time than that.
tbh i don't even care about the music anymore, the abUSE THEY PUT THE ACTORS THROUGH OMYGOD
@@xx_izzyxx2250 every worker has their limits, no matter what profession they are in.
@@xx_izzyxx2250 yes but you check out the behind the scences of this movie , the actor were made to do some hard stuff
They probably got paid for it too lol
I feel like the director wanted to be like Kubrick, but came to the conclusion that if Kubrick's actors were abused, then that is what makes a director good. The end result or overall quality of product seemed secondary to "being seen as a creative visionary"
@@thenonsenseguy2364 watch the fucking video
or just listen to it at least, jesus
Jackman: I didn’t drink water for 36 hours before preforming
Me: *franticly drinks water in secondhand pain and panic*
I'm feeling mighty thirsty right about now
Hydrohomies spotted
Saaaaaaaame
Same
Man, I literally got up and went to drink water after that part, that sounds painful
It also doesn't help that the 10th Anniversary Dream Cast in Concert was as perfect as they come. Seriously, just incredible.
Yessssss! It is the best!
I almost exclusively listen to the original London recording because it’s what I grew up on, but I make an exception for the 10th anniversary concert because it’s amazing
@@shammyturtle9741 I get that entirely.
fr the comparision cuts made it seem like the movie was a 10th grade school production
@@writerintherye And it had NO RIGHT to be that way. Realism comes when you focus on developing your characters, stories and plots, not from developing "The right feeling."
I'm glad you pointed out the health thing. That kind of thing is very dangerous and it's disgusting any production would make anyone go through that.
Or outright refuse to allow the actors to abuse themselves like that. If it were me, I’d insist on hydrating. Oh my goddddd
As a clarinet player, it’s absolutely horrifying that they made the orchestra play full force for 10 hours, what in the absolute FUCK
As a violinist and flutist I completely agree. That shit would hurt
@@caithemburrow5569 tendinitis galore
That’s legit abuse, like marching band performers barely have to play and March for 4-5 hours at a time but at least we’re granted plenty of breaks
The director is crazy and uneducated, that's all lol
Brass commiting suicide in the back row
I just realized that Anne Hathaway mage herself cry and sing each take for 8-10 hours my God the fact that she can still talk is insane to me
And THAT is why she won the Oscar!
@@OmniphonProductions Are they awarding the effort instead of the actual end result of the performance?
Actors are professional vocalists...and speech arts is a real discipline of study. I once saw Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen perform a play without amplification, and I could hear everything from the back row. They are pro stage actors who know how to project without injury.
Similarly, Audra McDonald did a show as Billie Holliday, in vocal fry for the whole show run. No injuries. She's a master, who knows how to manage the task in a healthy way for her voice.
My guess is that Anne Hathaway has this type of skill. She makes the sounds in that song without straining her voice like a layperson would...said layperson would probably do far more vocal work than was necessary to produce those sounds. Likewise, a professional pianist isn't really working all that hard, physically, because they've taught themselves a certain economy of motion while accomplishing physical tasks which amateurs haven't internalized yet and thus overdo.
@@ivorytickler7777 Audra McDonald is a _goddess!!!_ Knowing how she usually sounds, when I saw the Billie Holiday performance, I couldn't help wondering whether (metaphorically) making a clarinet sound like a muted trumpet...caused her discomfort. However, as you say, there are techniques by which professionals avoid discomfort (or damage) that laypersons might otherwise incur. Death Metal vocalists and professional voice actors would all have very short careers without such tricks of the trade.
Having said that, not all professional actors are _singers_ (or dancers for that matter), especially if they have specifically focused their attention on film. (I'm lookin' at you, Russell Crowe!) There's is an added degree of difficulty in Musical Theater that most people simply don't appreciate, largely because people like Audra McDonald make it look so easy. With all this in mind, I think your final paragraph is spot-on; especially considering that Anne Hathaway nailed _I Dreamed A Dream_ on the fourth take.
@@OmniphonProductions She also grew up watching backstage while her mom sang that same role!
Even for my shows in high school we were constantly told to break for water and talked through when in the performance we could have a drink, we didn't have dairy or sugar (where possible) in the weeks leading up to the show, and we were marking in our dress rehearsals. Everyone did fifteen minutes of warm-up together, and leads were encouraged to do some in their own time. We had honey-lemon drinks and the best sleep possible. Dehydrating yourself before shows is the most stupid thing I've ever heard - even the nine and ten year olds joining from the junior school were looking after themselves better than professional singers in professional productions. Holy shit.
I'm in shock that anyone could think that 36 hours of dehydration could ever be a good thing BEFORE A LIVE VOCAL PERFORMANCE. Were there no music directors or vocal coaches nearby to say, "Actually, no, Hugh. Please don't do that" ??
The fact that Hugh Jackman went from THIS to his performance in The Greatest Showman is one of the best points to be made here! That jump in quality is what happens when your performers are actually HYDRATED AND HEALTHY!
Right? When I was so surprised by his performance in this film because I knew he started in musical theater.
Hugh's passion gets the better of him when it comes to musicals. When they did the rehearsal for investors he wasn't supposed to sing due to surgery but he ended up doing it anyway because he got caught by the energy in the room. He needs a good director to nudge him on the right path.
and not singing full blast for 8 hours straight every day!
@@SquareViking I read about that. Apparently he ripped stitches. Like... calm down, Hugh?
@@SquareViking I don't think he understands that there's a difference between sacrificing and putting your all into a role and just being void of logic.
It needs to stop being considered okay, let alone admirable, for actors to abuse their bodies (or more likely, directors to push for actors to abuse their bodies) for the sake of a movie.
Its the Actors/Actress decision nobody forces them, if they dont want to do it, they shouldnt take the job.
@@Hesher93 ah yes... and if an actor decides to jump off a building to recreate a character's physical ailments, its ok because its their decision, and noone forced them to. It shouldn't matter if it was their decision or not. someone needed to have told them that if they do this they have a chance of seriously harming themselves. Imagine a world where hugh jackman or anne hathaway did get serious vocal damage. (thank goodness they didnt) We would be shorted of these actors and the future performances they might give.
Please, actors do it to serve their own interests. By showing that they can/will do/learn something for a specific project, they are showing everybody (from the Academy to the general audiences) how much committed they are to their art. That makes them more bankable, respectable, recognizable and award-worthy. It's the same with athletes who keep pushing their physical limits by repeatedly winning medals/trophies and breaking records.
@@allywatchstation As if they didnt know that, they are adults for gods sake, they know what they are doing. They know what eating an Apple a day would/could do to them, they are adults, its their decision, there is something like personal responsibility. At the end of the day, they do it because they love it or for the pay check, nobody forces them. Espacially actors like Hughe Jackman who can handpick their roles.
OP: "This bad thing needs to stop being the norm."
Reply 1: "no one's FORCING them. If they don't want to be abused, someone else will be abused instead." Yes. That's the problem.
Reply 3: "the actors do it because they benefit/profit from it." Yes. That's the problem.
Reply 4: "well it's always been like this, so..." Yes, that's why OP said it needs to STOP.
Shout out to reply 2 for understanding what OP's words meant in the order OP put them in. It was apparently a pretty monumental achievement.
I had the great, great pleasure of seeing Alfie Boe (the guy potraying Valjean in the 25th anniversary edition you see clips from in this video) portray Valjean on Broadway in 2015 and I was devastated to hear he auditioned for the same part in the movie and didn't get it. I guess star power->vocal power in a MUSICAL.
While I completely agree that it's criminal he didn't get the part, I'm at the very least relieved to know he dodged a bullet given the conditions all of the musicians in this movie endured pfpff
@@TheTrueTurtlegirl Heh. Somehow I doubt he would have needed more than one take. Or given up drinking WATER. Jeez, I can't over how stupid that is.
@@jippy33 Honestly, the idea of intentionally depriving oneself of water for the sake of a performance is bad enough, worsened significantly by the idea of someone SINGING under those circumstances. The fact that they say that all so casually and with proud smiles on their faces is HORRIFYING.
not giving hugh jackman the prompts for ripping the paper is stupid enough... even dumber when you see he first tears it _as he starts singing the note_ - mate, if you have watched literally ANY OTHER VERSION of this scene you will know to wait before that. it doesn't start there. hugh, what are you - oh - hugh, no, you - he - he has his set deafened, he can't hear us!
In a graham norton interview Hugh Jackman admitted that when he played Gaston on broadway he literally peed his pants live on stage so he could hit his final note. Hearing he dehydrated himself for valjean is insane. This man once valued both hydration and vocal performance so much that he PISSED HIS PANTS IN FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE.
He had that much blatter control ?!?!
@@PutBoxOnMe “bladder” 🙄🙄
@@tose917 Who cares man? Seriously. Someone might criticize you for using emojis, and you’re out here critiquing incorrect spelling? Hypocrite; didn’t even spell “forever” right in your own name.
To me it seems his dedication is still there, it just went into prioritizing the acting visuals (often at the expense of vocal performance, as the video shows).
@@CaptPhiI yeah true, I actually think that the movie had good acting, with good facial expressions that added depth to the story. Despite that, the singing is clearly not up to standard, as are a few…other things (cough cough-Javert’s suicide-cough cough).
i am SO over this narrative of the more you “suffer” for a performance, the “better” it is. like working through pain = working hard, or something. it reminds me of the narrative that u have to “suffer” through something awful-grief, mental illness, etc-in order for your art to be good, so people should lean in to pain or not seek help, when that is the opposite of productive. UGH
Agreed. Stanislavsky is rolling in his grave.
I think it's a dangerous idea, that pain=greatness. Not to mention, kind of stupid. By this logic torture victims should be topping the bestsellers and awards lists. Oddly enough, no one has tried to test out my "Being tortured makes you a great artist theory." It reminds me of the make work fallacy, that people used to be better because they suffered more. Oddly enough not many people are volunteering to live medieval in the western world.
Y'all seen the Revenant? Lol.
@@niallreid7664 Leonardo put himself in hell and sat there like
🔥🔥🐶☕🔥🔥
You might want to check out this great video essay on Method Acting by Broey Deschanel, it goes into a lot the problems with the suffering = art mentality
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33:56 the fact Amanda Seyfried was not cast for the “snow white” live action remake by Disney is as criminal as Disney doing these live action remakes in the first place….
Seyfried is 38, and Snow White is supposed to be 14
@@ad-sd-vids5332 You talk as if actors can't play roles that aren't their age.
West Side Story '21 also did a lot of live singing on set, so whatever you think of the casting, Zegler's chops are not in question.
@@TheSoulCalledZuziaYou talk as if a 38 year old actress could ever believably play a 14 year old.
@@lordfarquaad8601 Good actress could believably play a 14 year old. She may not look at one, though.
so, like, I know Sideways dosen't really do content anymore, which sucks but if that's what's healthy, I'm glad, but I wanted to say that I'm an engineering student who knows NOTHING about music to the point where I have trouble identifying a leitmotif because I don't always hear when music is simaler. I'm getting better at it but it's ONLY because Sideways helped show me the importance of music in storytelling. My mom worked in the opera and ballet but 30 years, and although my artistic talent went into design work and mechanics rather than hair and makeup, I still think theater is REALLY COOL! so I showed her this and it was the most fun I've had with her in ages. She convinced me to Le Mis and we ended up watching the concert version because I'd only ever seen the movie (my sister insisted on watching it during her musical phase). it was amazing, I know this is about to sound like "STEM major discovers musical theater is good actually" but I know, I've watched musicals before, and I understand that they're really good, I'd just never seen this specific show before lol. anyways, the music was beautiful, the emotional beats hit so much harder when they were reinforced by the musical backing and build up of the uhhh leitmoteifs also Ruthie Henshall's come to me was.... one of the most impressive things I've ever heard, she ends the song by like.... I don't know how to describe it, she like..... gets louder and higher pitched and like quieter at the same time?? like it geneuanly sounds like a trick of the audio or like she's stepping away from the microphone, but she's not, she's doing it with her VOICE and it's HAUNTING, I asked my mom and she kinda laughed at my awe, and said it was "talent" Look, from a pure acting standpoint Come to me might be better in the move, with the tears and emotion and weakness, but that haunting last note will stay with me for a lot longer.
This director's actions were bordering on criminal. My sister's singing teacher could only speak in a whisper. His voice was completely destroyed by doing one performance with a slight cold. Damaging your voice is a real thing.
Damn that’s tragic
see this is what broadway does to actors too though. making them work through colds and shit because it’s tony season, it shocks me how little vocal damage has happened…
Brian Molko did this at Cardiff CIA a few years ago, tried to perform Placebo's greatest hits with essentially the middle aged man level of freshers flu. I was there. It was sad. He spent months with an ENT having surgeries afterwards... we're going back to see them again soon and hoping the battle to save his voice was worth it.
I've had my voice completely collapse during a stage performance... it turned me off of musical theatre forever honestly.... all because I was forced... FORCED into singing in a register that my voice wasn't made for at all, I'm a low tenor, higher end bass singer, they expected me to hit notes meant for a female vocalist and I did and it hurt so much that my voice died on stage, completely, in the middle of the show, couldn't make a sound, couldn't speak a word and somehow that was MY fault.
Right?! Wtf was MacIntosh thinking trusting THIS ONE to do this.
"I didn't tell Hugh to do it, he wanted to do this for himself"
"Hooper told me he wanted me to look unrecognisable. He said if someone does recognise you, I want them to think you're physically ill."
Hmmm. Someone's lying here. I wonder who has greater motive to lie about risking his employees health for no reason?
I don't think anyone's lying, I think they were just approaching it from different angles. The director probably wanted him to look unrecognizable through makeup and costume and acting. Hugh probably decided to make himself more unrecognizable by changing his body.
@@laurencummings9560 I'm inclined to think Hooper lied. Simply because he's shown as egotistical in trying to completely remodel two beloved highly successful musicals. Maybe i'm creating non existent threads here, but it does seem far off from something he'd do.
@@laurencummings9560 Well. At the end of the day, it's the director's job to direct the actors.
So, I still say it would've been his responsibility at the end of the day.
So. If Hooper isn't lying. He could've still told him not to do it. He is the director, and Jackman would've had to listen.
So, no matter how you look at it, Hooper looks incredibly bad and incompetent as a director for allowing this to happen.
@@laurencummings9560 That's entirely possible, but honestly, even if he's not lying I don't know how much it matters. The fact that Hooper found out his lead in a musical was deliberately dehydrating himself, and he DIDN'T respond "I appreciate your dedication but that's a massive risk to your health, and also your livelihood because you're an actor and if you ruin your voice that'll be bad for your career, and even if I'm just being completely selfish it will also do terrible things to your singing, so PLEASE make sure you're drinking plenty of water" is bad enough.
I was in pit orchestra for a local production of the show, and the recurring motifs were so fun to play! They're weird rhythms, but they reoccur so many times that you can recognize them on sight and know how they'll fit with the rest of the ensemble.
Also the teenagers playing Valjean and Javert absolutely crushed it, The Night was one of my favorite pieces to listen to during the performances- I had almost entirely rests during the song, but the way the lead actor sang it was so gorgeous. I HATED the belting when I finally watched the movie because I was so used to how delicate our actor made the vocals.
As a professional singer and voice teacher, I deeply appreciate the discussion of vocal function.
It's literally called _Les Miserables_ and people didn't know it was French???
Well I’m sure a lot of people knew it was a book originally but I was surprised to hear that the musical itself was written in French first
Plus, some Americans probably didn't know it was French and thought it was pronounced "less mi-zur-ah-bels" ;)
zxKAOS1 that’s how this video started lol
I think people think that the novel by Victor Hugo was written in French but maybe assume that Claude-Michel Schoenberg wrote the songs in English.
@@antoinettea6179 Pretty much this. There's the distinction that it takes place in France, or has a French theme, vs. the lyrics itself being in French (language). People are aware _Miss Saigon_ takes place in Vietnam, but wouldn't think that its original adaptation is in Vietnamese (it isn't). Or _Cats_ is about a bunch of cats, but its original language isn't some "feline language" (which it also isn't).
The problem with crying in film is: you can tell if there are no tears. If you cry on stage, not even the first row will be able to tell if there are actual tears streaming down your face. However, in film you can always tell, bc the camera is obviously much closer to the face than an actual audience would be. So while fake crying on stage might work, it will look really artificial and fake in film. The solution to this is easy. JUST PRERECORD THE DAMN SONGS!
@Louis Kirkwood I'm fine with a sequel or prequel if it at least has decent damn singing.
Louis Kirkwood the thing is, recording it live does not have am single advantage. I get that the idea of a musical is to be seen live, but this is not the stage adaption. As someone who is quite familiar with the theater world: Things that work on stage usually don’t work out in film, and singing live is just one of those things. If you’re approaching a movie adaption the same way you’d approach a stage adaption you will fail. It’s a shitty experience for the actors, bc singing 10-12 h a day can damage your vocal chords immensely, wich is something that was described in this video over and over again. The actors can’t show their full potential, bc they have to hold back so they can do the next 20 takes just as well (wich just doesn’t work). Also just bc another director/producer would do it just as badly as what was done here, doesn’t make it any better. Overall this is just overcomplicating things with out having any positiv effects on the movie, the crew or the cast
@Louis Kirkwood It isn't just that the actors had discomfort (which is bad) but that it didn't produce a better product but actually dragged it down. In theatre they make concessions to the performance for the sake of music by getting them to just stand in front of a microphone so it sounds better. In the film they made the opposite concession, making the music worse to get a movie performance with full crying and facial expressions and so on. The thing is if they had studio recording they could have had both. That's what is disappointing for me, that when the goal was "a transcendence to the traditional forms" it instead felt like it was bogged down and stuck in the mud somewhere in between those forms.
@Louis Kirkwood lol no, it genuinely sucked.
+Rebecca W. If the "fake crying is too obvious" thing were true, why does Samantha Barks prove that false?
The way he said "Les Miserables" in a completely American accent killed me so quickly
I thought he was being ironic/witty because it sounds like it was very very miserable for the actors and the orchestra.
I would be surprised if this UA-camr doesn't know how to pronounce it properly given that he seems to be highly educated.
PS. Your name is Internet Ghost and you said his pronunciation killed you. Were you already a ghost before you saw this video, or did this video actually cause your death?
Please don't answer if that is too personal a question. Hope you're doing well wherever you might be! 👻
He pronounces it properly every other time on the video, the inaccurate pronunciation was done as a joke.
You know... It's funny. I actually loved the fact that she's actually crying. I felt like it actually punched for me. I do have it on my Spotify list because I love that there is real emotion there. I feel like I'm actually sitting with her as she cries and it really helped me immerse. That's just me though. 🤷
Me too.
L opinion
I feel like one underrated problem with recording the movie like this is like... I don't care how good of an actor you are, you CANNOT escape the inherent, crushing awkwardness of singing at another person passionately on a silent set. Like. In the theatre there are people in the audience, the orchestra is with you etc etc. I cannot imagine just singing in a vaccuum, that sounds like a horrible experience.
thats not really a problem tbh, there are more awkward acting scenerios than that which is why it isn't really acknowledged thats literally the norm
Im learning to get better at it and it feels 100x harder to do it without a backing track, I cant imagine how hard it was for them at least give them an ear piece.
I can’t remember if this is shown in the video but the actors had earpieces where they could hear the piano backing being played, so it wouldn’t have been singing in a vacuum to them, it’s in another BTS video
@@Justice237 Piano is just one instrument and depending on what other instruments are playing you might have have to project more (ik they have throat mics and it's mixed in post, but you still don't get the same effect from just editing it louder) and you can still miss cues like the jobert scene.
Lmfaoooo that was not uncommon in early rehearsals in high school drama. Ahh painful memories 😂😂😂.
👏Stop👏giving👏Tom👏Hooper👏musicals👏
*(Unless it’s Cat’s 2: The Search for More Money)*
YES
Cats 2: This Time, We Left The Buttholes In
Cats 2 does exist! I hope they ain't making it a movie though
Hal, it’s about cats
Do I hear “Starlight Express” off in the distance?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
okay let me just say, while Eddie’s singing surely sounds a lot better than the older characters in the show, his jaw is not supposed to shake like that whatsoever. it means that there is a lot of tension in his face and his vocal teacher just let that happen I guess
Agreed. The jaw thing is what lazy people do to achieve "vibrato." They should be able to oscillate between two notes without needing to move their jaw at all.
Yeah, Eponine was amazing, she stood out a mile I thought. I thought Jackman was better in 'The Greatest Showman'. Part of me wonders whether the problem was the same conflict that afflicts all musical to film transistions. Do you want to make a musical that's a film or a film based on a musical? Do you want actors who can sing? Or singers who can act? Is the acting more important or the music? Maybe the issue with Les Miserables is that nobody really sat down and defined hard, 'We're going for X over Y, focus on the X'. Maybe as a film it would have been better translated from the book directly and done as a non-musical. But maybe as a musical it would have been better casting ALL experienced vocalists who were familiar with the material, then lower the emphasis on traditional aspects of film acting and simply have the performers perform their songs with the added magic of film quality sets and cinematic camera work? I think the most magical scene in the film is Eponine singing 'On my Own' and that's exactly what it is. She does a bit of acting, but never at the expense of the music. She seems to be completely comitted to keeping the musical performance at the top of the hierarchy of importance.
What’s wild is most of the cast had experience, they were just put in such awful conditions that their performances suffered.
*Tom Hooper:* I need you to look sick for this musical!
*Hugh Jackman:* Okay, I gonna make myself actually sick in a way that'll definitely impact my singing ability!
*The whole make-up department:* ... Are we a joke to you?
Also, how is being super buff sick?
@@Ociloc exactly! I wouldn't think he's sick if I saw him, however, I would be concerned he's not eating/drinking enough. To make actors have that extreme muscle definition, it's not just Hugh depriving himself of water. Most male actors do that for movies to look leaner and it's SO BAD. Being buff doesn't mean you have to have 0% body fat. That's majorly unhealthy. An example of someone being absolutely ripped but also having a healthy amount of body fat would be Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, although he is an extreme example because he's so tall. But yeah. The guys in the movies look as shredded as they do because they're starving and dehydrating themselves and it's SO NOT GOOD. It's unrealistic body standards for dudes and is causing people to hurt themselves.
Music nerd rages for 38 minutes and 36 seconds because actors get paid millions to do their jobs
@@sarahturner4148 like you know how you can tell it's not healthy? They never maintain that physique. As soon as the shoot is over it's back to hotdogs and dad bod city baby.
@@sarahturner4148 I mean, if they wanted to make Hugh look realistic as a convict of 20 years- malnourished all the time, then... They did a good job. The main problem here is that they put the acting performance before singing and it really shows
What’s sad is that if they were all actually hydrated and healthy, and properly vocally trained they all could’ve blown this thing out of the water. It’s incredible the difference you hear with Crowe, Hackman and Hathaway when they are in a proper state of health. Too bad it wasn’t filmed that way
To be fair i guess they ALSO took the received critics and tried to work on it after the movie was aired
“hugh jackman may be dead, but i’m his brother....kip..hackman.”
Hathaway especially! It’s not that her voice itself is bad during the movie, it’s that her singing voice barely makes an appearance. It’s honestly so sad that she has such a pretty voice but ended up doing the weird half-spoken sob-singing thing.
Hehe mcrmy
Polly Sage i never said I hated it lmao. I like the movie lmao. I said the singing sucked in many parts. But the performances from the holy trinity is really what made it for me. Of course, I was only ten during the movie and was star struck regardless so I mean I didn’t really look deeper into this until seeing this video
Crowe was in the original Australian cast of Blood Brothers. He has more musical theatre experience than you give him credit for.
I mean, either way he still mentions how Crowe's singing in the film isn't even representative of what his real capability is. I mean the whole point of giving Crowe credit for anything music-related at all is to show just how good he 'should've' been had the production not compromised him, and the rest of the cast's singing ability.
But yeah it would be cooler to have further noted just how even more musically competent these people have been, because then it just makes it even sadder when they're not performing up to expectation (less to their own accord, and more because of the production).
Eddie Redmayne was a choral scholar at Trinity?! Why are you saying he had no experience? He probably had WAAAY more experience than Russel Crowe.
Y'all be sleeping on one of Sideways' best lines:
"There's this thing that vocalists do, that I absolutely hate, and it's when they're right."
🤣🤣🤣
What does that even mean?
@@infinitusfinitus It means that they're good enough to pull off cry-singing, even though by crying they're risking a dozen moments of screwing over their own entire performance. It's like being able to race a VWBeetle. Yeah it takes a bunch of skill, props for doing it twice, but please don't make it your primary mode of performance
@@QuikVidGuy - nah I think Sideways' comment is in reference to the not-so-subtle but friendly competitiveness between those who play instruments and those who sing. The orchestra conductor would always joke with us when we, the chorus, would join the orchestra for rehearsal and he'd say "Musicians!" but only in reference to the orchestra and he'd call the rest of us "singers" implying that singers were not actual musicians. It's a joke that continues with every generation.
Are we gonna ignore "and he's all like 'no, all lives matter! Nya!'"
as a vocalist, i agree. we suck.
I feel bad for Russell Crowe getting so much criticism when everyone else’s singing was also shit
I disagree with you. Not every one was bad. I love this film, but can't say the singing is bad in here. Samantha Barks has a perfect voice in here, and doesn't get enough credit for doing this film.
I think it’s because a lot of the cast already had actual Broadway(or musical or just stage acting or singing) experience.
Hugh Jackman, Anne Hathaway, girl who plays Éponine, Asron Tveit.....
Yeah, just from hearing these clips, Jackman sounds so much worse than Crow, which is bad when you know he can sing amazingly outside of this.
Like at least he sounds worst to me 😅
so shit that millions of people loved this movie and it made huge amounts of money because yuo and the video creator apparantly know better than them..
@@redcardinalist funny how you neglected the millions of people who hated the infamously divisive movie
Thank you for pointing out Valjean and Javert switching power. I have always argued that they are co-protagonists.
Annie’s acting performance is fab. I was so angry when I heard her, because her voice (or her vocal choices) was soooo rough-and I know she can sing!
As a vocalist, listening to the physical shit the actors put themselves through for the sake of 'realism' and 'grittiness' is horrifying.
As an audio engineer, the number of work arounds those poor idiots had to use in order to get a decent, workable track sounds like a god damn nightmare
Simon Hayes is one of the greatest production sound mixers of all time and the live soundtrack he recorded on Les Mis is one of the greatest technical achievements in a film ever (earning him an Academy Award that year). His work will be remembered in the same way Jack Foley and Ben Burt are for sound design. A live musical should be performed live and just because it's hard doesn't mean it's not worth it. It's insulting that all the lengths they went to on set to record this sound track are played for laughs instead of hailed for the absolute genius they are. Simon hasn't even perfected the art yet. He's still got a couple decades of this left in him.
And truthfully, all the "headaches" shown in the recording of a film soundtrack are just more dramatic versions of what production sound mixers are doing on shows and movies every day. Recording a sound track is difficult stuff regardless of if there's singing.
Whether or not the actors were prepared for the level of demand they would face in producing this movie, or even if the right performers were cast in the first place, is another matter entirely. It's clear that the only way the studio was willing to finance the movie was with name actors instead of classically trained musical stage performers.
Im not a good recording artist but I do go to collage with a lot of them (my study is kinda broad) and seeing what goes into a professionl recording in a regular studio setting is already insane. Thinking of people doing thát on a film set makes me cry.
Yes yes yes yes yes
And in all honesty, you don’t have to hire Hollywood actors for this kind of thing. There’s theatre actors who can sing effectively and give grit and realism within vocal delivery and acting chops. Lmao I don’t understand why people think musical theatre actors all learn is campiness and jazz hands 😂😂 both Anne Hathaway and Hugh Jackman started out in theatre lmao
@@BluesClues2s And to add onto your topic of Simon perfecting the craft.
The stage production has had over 25 years (as of 2012) of trial and error (notes from other productions, of what worked and did not work etc.) to nail down the musical. Also, stage productions are doing more than one performance, so they know by the end one night 1, what worked and did not worked, so they can correct it for the second night, and so forth.
The movie is lucky to have 2 years tops with all their main players, and the actors are coming in from other projects, or are splitting their time between projects. And they have no redos.
Jackman's dehydration and Hathaway's weight loss reminds of what Laurence Olivier said to Dustin Hoffman when Hoffman told Olivier that he (Hoffman) was depriving himself of sleep for the filming of "Marathon Man" (1976) -- "Why not try acting? It's much easier."
Yeah, actors shouldn't have to sacrifice their health for a performance. If anything they should make sure to be well rested, fed and hydtrated so that they can do their job to the best of their ability.
Anne is a good actress though, and not usually a method gal.
@@henrikibsen6258 She is, but losing a lot of weight in a short amount of time is just incredibly dangerous. It's affects not only your physical health but also your mental health. This upsets me personally because I had an ED in the past and I know what it's like to be severely underweight. I can't condone anyone putting themselves in that kind of state on purpose, no matter how professional they are.
I was thoroughly baffled when you said Cameron Mackintosh approved this movie. I didn't know he held the film rights, and never would have thought he would want anyone unqualified in the cast. Also I was definitely disappointed with Hugh Jackman, given he's got actual musical theater experience. I'm also shocked anyone LET him not drink water.
Am I the only one who enjoys Anne Hathaways “I dreamed a dreamed”? The crying and gasping really sold it for me and the other performances just don’t have the same pain in the voice
That performance was the first time I ever cried during a movie (and the whole movie theater was crying with me). I will remember it forever and yes I *loved* her performance best. You're not alone, plenty of people do :) Now, I haven't seen this movie since it ...er...came out in 2012. Take with a grain of salt. But I remember not enjoying the rest of the movie as much and it took me a while to figure out why. I think it's because it was...too much? Too much gritty breathy sobbing back to back half-singing-half-talking with like, every single character? Personally, I don't think "acting over music" is always a bad thing but it also robs us of hearing how the actors actually CAN sing. Like, I remember wanting to see/hear at least *some* of that in the movie and being disappointed. Looking back it was ALL "acting over music". Course, given the insane conditions and circumstances of the film, I doubt it could have been anything else.
It may not have served the music, but yes, it was an incredible performance. It's challenging for me to think of many/any performances that come close to what she did there.
I agree with you. What I think is a really big limitation of musicals is that sadness and dying and death has to be pretty. Like even in the examples shown here yes the music in the stage version sounds prettier but I think it loses the emotion and ugliness of pain
yeah, i enjoyed it to and i think in that scenario it worked to put the acting before the vocal performance. a movie is a different medium than a stage production, and i think it would be harder to sell the scene if anne hathaway did prioritize signing it “pretty” rather than committing to the reality and context of the song. on a stage, that sense of reality is somewhat suspended, and i feel like that kind of emotional acting performance would seem too… grounded i guess? it wouldn’t serve the production in the same way a stellar (and still emotional in its own right) vocal performance would, and i think a stellar vocal performance at the expense of the powerful acting performance wouldn’t have necessarily served the film. of course, we’re talking about an incredibly raw scene, and i definitely don’t think EVERY performance should prioritize acting over vocals simply because it’s a film and not a stage production - i can understand how that approach applied throughout the entirety of the musical is going to hurt the adaptation rather than help it.
the film was kind of my first exposure to the musical - maybe the fact that i had sung on my own in choir helped, but i had no trouble hearing that what fantine was singing in her dying moments returned at other points in the musical, and in seeing the clips he provided side-by-side, i do again think that the broken singing of a dying woman worked to sell the reality and emotion of the scene for film rather than the pretty vocal performance of stage. maybe there could have been a “better” balance of singing the melody versus selling the emotion and whole on-her-deathbed thing, but regardless i was able to hear the music enough to pick up on it. but again, i totally understand the other criticisms presented of adapting this musical to film, i just agree that i can give that particular decision a pass in those specific scenes. i don’t need it to be a vocal performance that i would listen to on spotify, as long as i can pick up on the music enough to recognize it later and i’m connecting with the weight of the character’s emotions being delivered in a particularly intense moment. if i were a bigger musical theater fan, i would probably have a different opinion, and if i were seeing that kind of performance on a stage versus in a film then i would also probably be of the opinion that it doesn’t work.
@@ErikaCartet couldn’t have said it any better, like I had said in a previous comment I feel it’s unfair to compare the musical and the film seeing as they are 2 different forms of art and media. And yeah I agree at some spots the singing should’ve been more of the focus but all in all I saw it as a really good performance and it got me into musicals back in high school and I’ve never watched a better performance than Anne Hathaways, even in cinema it’s one of the hardest hitting scenes and it’s because she’s just absolutely broken but is singing such a beautiful and powerful song
it actually physically hurt me to hear him say les miserables in a full american accent
Lezz Mizurabulls
i assumed he was being funny. now i’m not so sure. hardly a great way to yknow. launch an authoritative statement. jesus h
I think he was joking.
Boo hoo
To be fair even when English speaking people try saying it correctly it inevitably comes out with some accent
Eddie Redmayne is a wonderful singer. But it's clear that he's in no way a natural Tenor. More like a Baritone, maybe Bass-Baritone. But the key wasn't changed, and now everyone's made fun of him so much that, despite his music background, he's scared to do another musical. Poor guy.
marius... isn't even a tenor. he's a high baritone (i think his range is like... a2 to g or a4 which is entirely doable for a sufficiently high baritone - i'm a baritone and that's doable for me), but he's definitely a baritone. if eddie IS a baritone then he's definitely one who's scared of high notes but you see that A Lot with not hugely trained baritones.
Michael Ball is one of the most beloved Mariuses and he is a high baritone
Thank you! I was going to comment it, but you beat me to it.
yes truth. Its the same as Russel Crowe. Javert is a bass to seem menacing. Look at phillip quast performance. Those low notes cant be hit by a tired Crowe
@@sungod1384 yeah, crowe certainly kind of gets the low f in the confrontation but not with any sense of like. confidence or gravity. i get that javert isn't usually cast on the strength of his low range but at least make sure he CAN do it
I know you’re on a long term hiatus, but if you end up coming back, it could be super interesting to analyse the recent Mean Girls movie vs the musical. They did a lot of weird stuff with the music.
Anyways, great video, this is like my 5th rewatch!
the le mis 2012 perfection trio honestly wouldve made me realise i was bisexual if i had just a tiny bit more self-awareness
Luckily I was ignorant of how the movie should have been so I enjoyed it.
Same. But I enjoyed it for the sole fact of it being Les Miserables - book, movie, musical, I cry every time.
I watched the movie first and thought it was pretty bad and didn’t understand what the hype was about. Then I saw this vid and was like ☹️. Figured out why lol
Saw stage first then film and didn't think the film was that bad yes Hugh and Russell didn't sound great but if u pull any film apart like this your bound to find issues
Big mood.
Although I believed I had watched the Liam Neeson non-musical version first but to hell if I ever retained any from it.
Same, but now I’m doing a production of Les Mis and they didn’t do very well.
can we also talk about the fact that for some reason Jackman is doing like 4 different accents in this movie?
Was one of them Wolverine?
And then the greatest showman is good?!? H o w
@@thatpitter He is a good singer, for some reason everything went wrong with this, look up him in Oklahoma
right?? why does he start off irish and end up english and occasionally wander into french?
I think it’s because he decided to not drink water for 36 hours.
19:20 not only is the melody really warped, but you can also hear the orchestra (the harp especially) STRUGGLE to keep Hathaway’s tempo.
This is the film that introduced me to Les Mis. At the theater, I was impressed. When I listened to the recording after, I was appalled. I stand by all the Act II singers and I actually kinda liked Crowe.have forgiven most of those in Act I, except Jackman, because every time he sang it ruined the moment. I know it's probably mostly due to Tom Hooper, but man, did those to get me not to root for Jean Valjean.
So ready to confirm all my negative biases about Les Mis the movie
Haha in 2012 people would fight you if you said Tom Hooper sucks, in 2019 we were vindicated finally. Thank you for Cats, Tom.
My high school did a toned down rendition of Les Miserables, cutting out stuff "not appropriate" for school. I was so excited to see this in theatres.
I remember feeling so depressed after watching it. Not because of the subject matter, but because the music was worse than my high school performance.
Yes! After years of telling people the things I think it did wrong!
Feel this. I've always subconsciously disliked the movie even though I've never seen it, but now I have enough information to give a ted talk on why this movie is bad
I’m not even a vocalist, but hearing about Hugh Jackman not drinking water for 36 hours before shooting actually put me into shock! How did anyone on set let that happen? I can’t even imagine how that must have felt trying to sing with his throat being that dry!
That's one and a half days - you can die from not drinking any water for a period of over 2 days!
I keep thinking about the massive kidney pain in his lower back. Ouch!
I'm not surprised if his kidneys are broken
Well the thing with specifically Jackman is that it isn’t new to him- actors playing superheroes are often asked to dehydrate for a stupid amount of time because it makes the muscles pop out better or something. Doesn’t excuse it and actually is emblematic of some bigger stuff, but for him specifically it wasn’t super new.
could've (& probably did) seriously damage his voice
They apparently wanted to capture the energy of a live performance but doing take after take after take to get it perfect is so fundamentally against the philosophy of live musical theater? Like in a live performance either mistakes happen or they don't but you just have to keep rolling with the punches no matter what
Like yeah you practice over and over again to get it as good as you possibly can but then at least everyone gets a full night's sleep before opening night, and then once the curtain rises there's no stopping or starting over
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Your stay away from UA-cam is so tragic, I would literally auction parts of my soul off to hear your thoughts on the oppenheimer soundtrack
“No one forced him to do it it was amazing”
3 seconds later
“Hooper made me do it”
YEAH. I was kind of thinking he would speculate on that a little bit, maybe he didn't think it right to. But I'm going to. I find it really suspicious that he kept acting like all these actors just really wanted to put themselves through absolute agony, but it still slips out that he told them to be "Unrecognizable". Like, to me that implies that Hooper is legit just lying.
The deranged laugh that came out of me 😭😭 poor Mr Jackman
@@PeriwinklePangolin24 Hooper does 100% give off the vibe of a director who just tells an actor to lose a fourth of their body weight by next week and presumes they just go home and press a button and it's done, and the starving and self-harm needed to fulfill a request like that is just ✨inspirational method acting✨
hooper made me "DO IT"
@@aurora5481 that’s just abuse
Hot take: I actually don't mind Anne Hathaway's phlegm juice. There's something about ppl actually crying and trying to sing that makes it hit for me. I get what Sideways is saying , but I still really like it.....
someone just holding back from crying i find far more powerful
i actually really agree.
I agree. I get that it's not as technically good, but I can feel it more when the tears are real. Consider Ben Platt in Dear Evan Hansen. He was a snotty mess through the whole show and it was good enough to get him a Tony.
He did win a Tony as a snotty mess, but he also worked with professional vocal coaches really really extensively to figure out how to technically fit the crying and singing together in a puzzle, and he was on a crazy strict vocal care regimen throughout the entire run. Which is why his performance is so different from Hathaway's (although I totally agree that emotionally/acting-wise her performance was stellar)
Yeah like someone tell that to Ben Platt, he cried for half of the Dear Evan Hansen
My only issue with this video is how he says that Jackman didn’t drink water for 3 days, but 36 hours is a day and a half.
Back again because this video IS comfort. See you soon Sideways!
Sweet God, the story behind what happened to the actors is legitimately horrifying. They're lucky no one got badly hurt.
They’re lucky no one dropped fucking dead
This video made me drink a glass of water and I'm not even a vocalist
I used to sing a ton and this made me go grab several cups of water.
jesus fuck that's utterly horrifying to me. It's the same thing as taking a hammer to a brass instrument, you just don't fucking do it.
SAME
I drank 24 oz and I still feel thirsty. Why would Jackman agree to that?! My throat is sore just thinking of it. Whyyyyyy
not a vocalist at all but my throat is screaming at the very thought
I drank a cup of jizz!!
Samantha Barks absolutely blows this whole movie out of the waters. Absolutely amazing performance from a consummate professional.
"I'm literally looking at my vocal tech textbook and it's contradicting Wikipedia. What are you supposed to do with that?" I've watched/listened through this video so many times and this gets me every time. Like, teachers in elementary school tell you to not use Wikipedia as a resource for a reason. You can use it as a jumping off point to find some links to decent sources, but that site on its own means so very little because of the way people have the ability to change the info on a page at any time unless it gets locked down by someone with a higher level of authority. Heck, he probably could have just changed the info himself if it pleased him.
I get what he means, but it still kinda silly.
You have clearly never edited or knew someone who talked about editing a Wikipedia article. It is actually not easy to change a Wikipedia article all of a sudden and have it stay. Like I've heard of someone getting kicked from getting a boats measurements slightly wrong by a few inches or something. You can certainly try to edit a Wikipedia, but I assure you it won't stick for long. People keep an eye on them to at least TRY to make sure the info is accurate. Most of the time, anyways. 😅
The only people who say that have no idea how Wikipedia actually works and have never tried to edit it and have it stick. It's an encyclopedia, it's a collection of information, not original creation. Every bit of info in there has to be properly referenced. The point made in this video just means whoever (likely multiple people) who wrote the article used their vocal technique textbook as a reference that had incorrect information, all to highlight that there is sooooo much variety in the terminology. Studies have shown that Wikipedia has the same accuracy rate as Encyclopedia Britannica. Also, fun fact - the vast majority of people who regularly contribute to Wikipedia hold Master's or Doctorate degrees in their field of contribution. Sure, you get some trolls occasionally, but at least the English-language wiki has so many active admins that any vandalism or unreferenced claims are deleted within minutes. It is admittedly a bit of a bigger problem in smaller wikis, because they have smaller communities and less admins, but even then everything is actively monitored. If the article is lacking resources, it gets flagged on the header so it's very clear to the reader.
When I heard what Hugh Jackman dehydrated himself for his performance, I was genuinely horrified. As a vocalist myself, drinking water is SUPER important to me. I've been in a few productions and several concerts, and each time, I go on vocal rest the day before and only drink water. Otherwise, my voice hurts after my performance. I can't imagine performing for hours on end without proper hydration. Given the circumstances, Hugh Jackman is lucky his performance was as good as it was (and let's be honest, it was awful) and that his vocal chords weren't permanently damaged
He could've lost his voice, right?
@@dmen7280 he could’ve definitely lost his voice. i’m surprised he didn’t, honestly.
@@dmen7280 I don't know about losing his voice but he definitely could've done irreparable damage to it
And the worst part is, as Sideways pointed out, that he did it all to look ripped in a film where he never takes his shirt off, so he just risked permanently ruining his voice for nothing.
it's a MUSICAL after all
For those saying that the mediocre singing is okay because it "sounds more realistic" or "fits the characters more", here's a friendly reminder: IT'S A MUSICAL!! Having people suddenly start singing to express their feelings just throws the whole realism aspect out of the damn window!
I think it’s down to balance. The film could have been realistic without completely sacrificing music too, if only they just prerecorded the songs with, y’know, actors who could sing. This film is an excellent example of realism done wrong. Realism done so badly it interferes with the story and the music.
It's not realistic for a slave during this era to be able to sing like a musical theatre performer. It's also not realistic for him and the entirety of everyone around him to also know the words to all these songs. It's ALSO not realistic for them to be on camera, cameras didn't exist back then. So yeah maybe realism shouldn't be how we judge quality
right but they obviously wanted it to be more realistic than the average musical. you can’t just complain every time people try different things
@@imsadlol4528 but trying to be "realistic" here made the musical significantly worse. There's a difference between trying new things out and just... making bad choices
Yeah, if they really don't give a shit about the music, then DON'T include it at all. Would Les Mis work as a normal, singingless movie? Who knows, but it would've been better than this.
Thanks for making this video!! I love singing and acting, but I’ve never had a professional vocal coach, and I’m scared that I’m too far off the train. Watching this video took in the botched version of my favorite musical, and taught me some things about singing that I never knew before. So thanks!
Damn, it's almost as if theater and film are two different things. Who would've thought?
“If sitting doesn’t let you project, someone forgot to tell Ali Stroker.” MIC FREAKING DROP!
YES!!!! She's so awesome!
I truly had to pause the video and just STARE for a moment after that
I mean, it's hilarious that he says that, and then plugs Lindsay Ellis's "Why Cats" video... when she uses that "It's hard to sing/project while sitting down" argument, WHILE USING THAT ANNE HATHAWAY CLIP FROM LES MIS.
Well I felt the clip he cut to there sounded horrible, much less enjoyable to listen to then what Hathaway did in this movie.
There's a UA-cam reaction channel that has a guy who gives singing lessons and plays in a band react to music videos. In the video that I saw, which was him and his guitarist reacting to Global Warming by Gojira, he was sitting the entire time and was giving examples of projecting vocals. He had to back away from the mic every time because he would peak the mic when he would sing.
So yeah, whoever said you can't project while sitting is lying.
sideways: yeah so they didn’t drink water three days before and sang for 10-12 hours straight lol
me, a training opera singer: 👁👄👁 they wot
Like fr I don't even sing and I'm still like on what fucking planet is that a good idea.
Having done Ramadan once I could hardly get through 12 hours (in reality much less) without water. THAT gave my headaches, let alone 3 days!
The fact that they actually could sing under such conditions is amazing. But f*cking stupid.
Jesus I wouldn't even HAVE a voice to sing with if I did that.
I have to chug four glasses of water before I feel ready to sing like 20 minutes of pop songs and this guy was singing LES MISERABLES for 12 hours every day with no water in his system at all,,,, how did this happen
"Let's record all the singing live on set" is the kind of idea that sounds bold and interesting for about... three seconds before you actually start thinking about it. And then you realize that at best you'll get the same results as the studio recording, but way more expensive, and at worst you'll jeopardize the entire production. And all for what, for being able to brag about recording it live in the commentary track? Bleh.
Fitzcarraldo comes to mind. "Let's actually drag a real ship over a real mountain, in the heart of a real rainforest!" 😂
OH MY GOODNESS THIS VIDEO ANALYSIS WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!! You explained literally EVERY issue I had with the film when I was watching it that I didn’t know how to articulate other than wincing and out loud saying “this sounds so off!” when the wrong notes were being sung!!
I remember when I saw the Greatest Showman, I thought to myself: "Huh. Hugh Jackman sounds way better than in Les Mis." I guess now I know why. ;-;
I don't even like The Greatest Showman for a bunch of reasons. However, I will wholeheartedly agree.
He totally redeemed himself in Greatest Showman. (Mostly "From Now On") I mean, autotune and such but my friend saw The Man, The Show live and she said he was great. So he was obviously just not meant for Les Mis.
He was meant to be 'rawer', grittier here than in The Greatest Showman and this music was recorded directly as performed which I don't think The Greatest Showman was so you can't really compare the two.
@@northernlights9814 but as Sidways pionts out in the video (35:55 is when the part starts), all of the actors were able to do better performances hydrated. Jackman did a better performance outside in the cold rather than what got put in the film.
@@fairyflight8436 I saw that in the video, but I always presume the end product is the choice of the Director of the movie, be it 'artistic' choice or his preferred 'take'. This Director had so much experience from making movies and tv-series that he would not overlook a better 'take'. He made his choice, his preferrance, and we can like it or not.
I can't believe the cast were even permitted to sing for so long in those conditions/ without any water. As you said, someone could have been seriously hurt. I'm so sick of hearing about actors abusing themselves for roles. There are other, healthier methods of acting than this
That's the sort of thing that gives an actor the role of his lifetime. And it shows on screen, which means that effort is more likely to be rewarded with awards (is it a surprise that DiCaprio got his Oscar with The Revenant rather than with more "comfortable" roles he's had before?).
"Healthier methods" just don't make films that are quite as poignant.
@@MadManchou The movie literally would've been better if he had drank water in the day and half before filming though...
Unfortunately, it is very expensive to be on set. Even more so if you're recording everything live and have a huge number of extras.
Franz Patrick as Said by someone who sint an actor
Exactly. If filmmakers could use makeup, trick photography, and computer effects to make a horse look abused and emaciated without ever actually hurting the horse (as in the case of Black Beauty, in 1994, in believe), they should be able to do the same to achieve realistic appearances for actors in a major blockbuster in 2012.
I’m not kidding when I say that that clip from “Stars” physically hurt me. I’m so used to hearing Philip Quast absolutely crushing the role of Javert that anything different is just… wrong. But that? Holy shit
The way I gasped when he said he didn’t drink water for 36 hours