It won't be, "It runs Linux" isn't a big selling point because the app ecosystem will suck. And then you are paying $700 for the specs of a phome that can't compete with the kind of stuff a $100 phone can do. Only purism fans would buy this.
Henk van het Internet I’ve never had or used a purism device. Nor have i used pureOS. Hell, I barely know how to use Ubuntu. I am definitely getting this phone.
I hope they wait on that til it's actually ready. While the current state is pretty awesome it's a hard sell to linus's audience when a lot of the standout features aren't working yet, and games run at terrible framerates.
@@benjaminschaaf Yeah, you're right. I just hope it doesn't take too long until the librem 5 is "gamery" enough, maybe getting retroarch to run will be a good starting place
@@AlucardaPapere I can't imagine it would take that long. With even just a small team over at Valve I can see this thing running smaller PC games no problem (though you may need a m+kb or controller hooked up). Stuff like darkest dungeon or deep rock galactic wouldn't be too taxing and would be a HUGE selling point for gamers. The fact that this thing runs the same OS as my desktop, just with some phone features on top is a massive selling point for me and if even only a handfull of software developers dedicate the little bit of time needed to port their software to this device it would be a game changer for the entire computing industry.
Lunduke is the Marketing Director for Purism. He is also the person apparently who decided to make a bunch of crude jokes in a commercial about "not looking at your junk". Pro Tip: it was a bad idea.
Lunduke promised to do a 24 hour stream to raise money for a cause and then quit part way through. I don't have a problem with not being able to do a long stream, but I do have a problem with breaking promises.
i love somewhat thicker phones, because it's easier to get those sturdy (more room for thicker backplate, can act as cooling as well), it's why i am interested already. then the non google stuff is important for me too.
Gardiner is going full fanboy on a phone display. I would like to see how his current opinions on the display and comparing it with the pixel will age after another 2-4 years.
There are a lot of things that make a phone display good. A lot of phone manufacturers are probably putting 1440p or 4K displays on phones that absolutely suck, while purism puts in the best 720p LCD they could find. Louis Rossmann even addressed displays in his video on "why do people buy Apple products." The laptop industry has the same problem, Louis pointed out how laptop manufacturers are putting these 4K displays on laptops and people complain about how they are barely legible or dark and Apple comes in with absolutely beautiful 1080p displays, hence the premium feel of Apple products that keep customers coming back even after they found out they paid 475$ to repair a laptop that just had a battery unplugged from the motherboard. That's what I think Purism is doing here, they're throwing the numbers out the window and going the Apple approach putting in products that will be what the average user is caring about, but unlike Apple they're respecting users' rights by giving them sudo privileges and so forth.
@@knightofy333schua8 there is a niche market for good privacy focused enterprise phones which imo purism should focus on first after polishing everything after this "hardware beta test" and "alpha community software development", the thing is this IS a gen 1 product aimed at Linux geeks (or people who want a piece of history, like how the galaxy foldable was the first foldable), my only problem is why that Gardiner cannot last for 0.002 sec without being a shrill or a fanboy when talking about this phone (I'm not saying it's failure but saying a 720p>1080p raises a lot of questions like when to not trust Gardiner with a hardware review)
The librem 5 and maybe even in the future, the pinephone, seem to be the start of a true linux on smartphone movement. Hopefully we can get linux on phone to where tux is on desktop. That librem ui looking damn suave too.
If even one of these projects fails however it can be a big blow to future linux phone developments. I don't expect it to ever become anything that big, but if Librem5 or Pinephone fail, then i doubt many people will take up the challenge after.
I'm not sure we're watching the same video. The UI stutters like crazy, and scrolling is awfully choppy. I'm excited for the future this phone enables, but currently you're basically paying 700 dollars for the equivalent of a raspberry pi zero attached to an LTE modem and a barebones screen. I'd love to see where this goes in a year or two, but right now this is for hardcore early adopters with deep pockets. The Pinephone right now seems to be doing a better job of targetting the tinkerers, the ones who need a disposable linux phone for their DIY project. Purism seems to have invested into becoming the high end linux phone, but the specs are not there and the software is FAR from ready.
@@cesarbretschneider no doubt it was choppy, but what i meant was that visually it looked much nicer than tne other offerings. I will admit, the weird flashing to the desktop wws weird, but if anything else, we'll still have the os to use on other phonee, including the pinephone.
@@cesarbretschneider The software might be far from ready, but so is the software for the pinephone which also happens to be a community endeavor. They should have delayed the librem, no doubt, but i think they were worried of not delivering again and figured it would be better to deliver unfinished software and a early batch of phones missing a few things to feisty backers than to delay another month. I have confidence the issues will be sorted out in the upcoming batches. They will be adding a heatpipe for performance and possibly adding a overclock, better kill switch caps, a moved antenna, and software enablement of the camera and bluetooth as well as another round of bug fixes already in the works (you can watch the patches being worked on). I agree it's not worth $700 dollars if your not a linux fan. But if you are, this is a one of a kind of phone. Even the pinephone isn't quite the same, and doesn't go as deep to try and match FSF requirements. That said i might pick up a pinephone as well for comparison and deciding which one offers a better experience for me (to replace my current phone).
@@in-craig-ible6160 I feel like they shouldn't have announced V2 already. Now the people who have the money to buy it won't buy it because they will wait for V2 and then purism might not have the money to keep up their promisses. I hope that I am not right though. I will buy V2 or V1 if I have the money.
I understand this is the thing we (enthusiasts) want, but the reactions from you on that device were slightly fan-boyish. The phone is not a game-changer at this stage. Yes, this has some potential, but it's not going to influence global market unless it can drag attention of an average regular guy looking for options.
No one's saying it's a game changer in the sense that it's going to become a huge influence, it's a game changer because this is the first time there has really ever been a phone that isn't completely locked down.
reliability is a factor too, yeah it's cool... but i remember when i started running arch linux and blew up my whole system with a single wrong system update command, then spent 3 days to re-install and update everything... now imagine having to do that, in an emergency, when you HAVE TO use the phone? When your phone "blows up" and you have no idea wtf to do, you better have a decent backup... It's not main stream if it cannot be fixed with a few buttons in under 20 minutes, like any and every modern smart phone
Perhaps the CPU & GPU are thermal throttling due to being exposed in the air in aspen. Combine that with early graphics drivers, and wallah, choppiness. I seriously hope it's improved by the time Chestnut (the December batch) rolls out.
The developers have said that there is much more room for optimization, they just did not have time due to having to get a lot of the basics up and running. The performance will improve in the future.
@@cynicist8114 I truly hope they fix it because this isn't a cheap phone and even if we are interested in this product for its possibilities, freedom and security.it should perform better for daily use if they want to attract a lot of new buyers that don't care/don't know why this is an important product
The form factor (like 1.5cm thick) and OS look (like Android 4.0) and pry-off plastic back looks exactly like my old LG G2X phone from 2011. It needs way more work than I thought. Thanks to everyone who pre-ordered though, we may actually get something more advanced by version 3. I love Purism, but this honestly is kind of a disappointment of a product, but its a success as a movement.
I watched the video without sound (for now). But I got to say it : I am genuinely impressed with the quality of the device, especially the number of nits that thing seems to have. Now, this is not to say that there are not things to be improved. I know it, Purism know it, everybody knows it. There is however 5 things that keep bothering me : (1) the windows from the open apps, in the “overview”, should contain a preview of the last state of those open apps when they were left; (2) the AppGrid should not, in my perspective, be completely black but slightly transparent (so to see the wallpaper); (3) not sure if the buttons of the unlocking pad have the same style/size as the buttons of the phone number pad ; (4) the phone is a bit to bulky for nowadays and I hope purism will find a way to shrink it a bit somehow ; (5) 4gb isn’t too demanding, is it? Anyway, congratulations Purism!
I get the enthusiasm and hype but you van definitely tell between 720p and 1080p. I'm not saying that 720p for a fisrt venture is bad but gardener oversold it way too much. 😄
At 1080p we would either have to scale the UI by 2.5, making it blurry, or by 2,making it too small. 720p for a screen that size allows us to scale the UI by 2, keeping it sharp and not too small. Also, it spares the GPU a bit. 🙂 Trust me, choosing the right screen was hard and we did our best to balance everything!
I am sorry but I don't quite understand the technicalities you just mentioned. And I think it is fine that it ships with 720p for now. If they have a justification for the choice, even better. I was just commenting on him not being able to tell the difference between a 720p and 1080p screen. I think that you can definitely tell. That's all. And btw may I ask what do you mean by 'we'? Also Also how why in 1080p 2x scaling is needed, it certainly isn't twice the side pixel lengths (as I said not quite familiar with the technicalities).
@@ChrisD__ oh great, but i have the thinkpad t430 with classic keyboard mod lmao (: altough the thinkpad t450s is also great and it also has much newer processer
Glad to see the phone taking shape. It's what is needed for the open source community in the modern world. A few have worked on this idea ,but has never gotten this far. Including Google. Also, libhybris was a ting, is it still a thing. to run Android apps in a standard libc environment.
Reminds me of Sailfish OS when it launched. Like the headphone jack, love how thick and real it looks. Kinda makes me sigh on how Jolla has been dropping the ball lately.
I’ve never heard a word about how this thing was announced right after the Macafee privacy phone made by MGT with a bank of hard kill switches was shut down. I wonder if MGT had a ton of the units built and Purism bought them and built the OS into it.
I really hope this takes off to become the next major mobile operating system. 🙏🏾 Would like to see it get to 1080p@60FPS and have another colour option for the body. 😉 And for some reason, I also love the thickness of this phone. 🧱
love it. i think we need a proper open source repository for phones. phones are where linux was 20 years ago. getting there slowly but surely. great times ahead
You sound like a seller, not a critical reviewer. No honest reviewer would brag of a what you defined as a 10 fps 720p screen. How much did Purism pay you? The gave you the phone for free right?
we never asked for thin phones, we never asked for thin laptops, we wanted working machines and after 10 years of iCrap revolution, we're finally getting there. nice
I'll just unlock the door in case Todd Weaver wants to visit me too. :P In all seriousness, that device looks great already! Having all those familiar apps, a full terminal experience, and all basic smartphone features is just what I would want! Not going to lie, that black anodized aluminum does give it a very premium look, so i wonder what the molded ones will look like now. All in time I guess ^^
@@knightofy333schua8 Do you know people sell cargo trucks for €100000 euro here, while their top speed is only a bit over one hundred kilometers per hour? How dumb is that, you can literally buy a car for like a thousand dollars that can hit almost 200km/h, literally.
I’m so happy to see this finally out. This is what real Bay Area innovation used to be about. I’ll be seriously looking into this in the future. I want to get off the “data grid “
I think a popular alternative to getting into the market would be drawing tablet alternatives to the likes of iPad pro. This is an area that currently android is really lacking in where there is only one tablet that can compete which is the Samsung Tab S6. If we were to create a drawing tablet that ran on a desktop environment optimized for touchscreens and had a modern interface then that would be cool.
Now we need a Librem Self Driving Car with Free Hardware and Free Software, accessible with the Librem Key and in a DeLorean form factor. Ask Todd for this please.
Oh boi, that performance. I'm willing to do some sacrifices for this, but the performance looks awful. Choosing gnome for a smartphone port makes perfect sense, but without the right hardware to run it you end up with the user experience of early android phones.
The biggest reason it is so laggy right now are the GPU drivers (a big problem for almost all ARM devices running Linux) and the CPU power states. Simply said, the open source drivers for the Vivante GC7000Lite (Etnaviv) are still in the alpha stage and are doing most of the rendering on the CPU and the kernel bits controlling the CPU can either give you 100% of its power (causing overheating and poor battery life) or the lowest power-saving mode. Those are known problems and are being worked on. Once we get a proper 3D acceleration and CPU scaling, the performance will be much better.
I watched this video hoping to get some details of someone's experience using the phone, instead I just got gushing over Todd and how cool it is to have the phone. No walk-throughs of using the apps, except about the graphics of the pre-loaded game, or even using the browser for something that one would otherwise use an app for. Nothing! 14.5 minutes I won't get back, but I'm glad the guy got his fanboy dream of meeting Todd.
You could have talked more about the specs, compared to your actual phone in terms of aspect or performance in loading a page etc. And at some point it would be great that you answer to your mails ^^
I cant wait for the Librem 5 vs Pinephone comparison once the drivers mature a bit. Im getting one when the browser, bluetooth audio and data works. Porting the open source apps i used wont take long they dont depend on anything android specific.
I personally don't mind any of the 'flaws', my expectations are adequately set. I like at the end how he mentions some minor flaws and emphasizes looking at the big picture. I'm not a fan of 1st gen devices and don't like testing things out. I will hopefully jump on the bandwagon further down the line.
Seems like they've gone back to the basics in a sense, but revamped technology wise.. Introducing apps as they perfect the security, privacy I'm assuming.. Sort of reminds me of my Microsoft phone I had. I had to download a different app, in order to watch UA-cam etc. They have their own play store, where new apps were added as they became available. I'd still have it, if it wasn't smashed. Took a while to get used to.
yep. This is EXACTLY what I have been wanting. To be out and about without a laptop lugged around, and be able to have a legit and CLEAN AND EASY way to do terminal work, in the palm of your hand. GG
You are way too enthusiastic with no criticism... I personally use my phone as a mini laptop, and it is easy to see the advantage of 1080p when a non-scaled user interface is able to fit more elements than it otherwise would be able to. My biggest concern with this version is the rounded corners which won't integrate as well with other desktop environments, but apparently the screen will have nice square ones in the future :) .
The best part of it will also be the worst problem sadly. The full open system will be the issue some services will hold against it. Like digital signature things for example. Hope this thing goes so huge that those arguments could not stop support for it though.
One of my biggest concerns/questions regarding this device that would prohibit me from buying it is, are there anything cases for it, either from the company or 3rd party vendors? I have a tendency to drop phones and I'm not going to drop $700 without a strong case.
Yeah, you make a good point. For an obscure piece of hardware like this, I don't think you're going to find any kind of real case at all. The best you can probably hope for is some 3D printed thing, maybe. Not sure how protective that would be though.
Back in the day I had a Compaq IPAQ, that ran OPIE Linux. it was ARM, and things were ported in with the ipkg manager. I thought that's what it was going to be, then the iPhone came out. I'm really hoping the this librem5 works out.
I'm excited that Linux in phones and the Librem 5 are making progress, but this video isn't your best, in my very humble opinion. This isn't a review or anything, so I guess it's fine really, but even "THE dude" behind the thing seems a lot more realistic about the device's current state than you are. I haven't held the thing myself, but from seeing the girth of the thing, and hearing the creaks Todd so honestly demonstrated, I can't imagine that it actually compares to a Pixel 2 in terms of build quality the way you describe. But then again, it's not really trying to at the moment, so that's fine. Still feel like you shouldn't talk it up too much though. You did a much better job with that while talking about the software experience, points for that! Over all, I think the video was a little too much of you just geeking out for my personal taste. It's great that you show your excitement for the project, but if you want to bring more people on board (people who might not yet be living the FOSS life that is), you should probably tone it down a bit. More practical information about how the device is to use, such as battery life for example. But maybe you're planning on a full review with stuff like this once the software gets more polish? (I would love that, a more unbiased look at the whole package.) Lastly, "B-roll" didn't do much for me. I understand that you might not have a very interesting filming set right now (saw the moving video) but honestly, I would have prefered if you just showed the two of you talking. And when you're showing off the phone itself, more angles please, vary your shots. It's not even necessary for your hands to be in all of them, I just wanna drink in every millimeter of the phone. Hope you took no offense, this is just me leaving some feedback. Love the stuff you do, keep at it, and keep improving! Kind regards, the Fastest Doriftor of Lodose.
Nice! I wish Todd had come down to Connecticut to talk to me. The phone isn't as thick as I thought it was going to be. I'm super excited now! 6:46 I'm glad Gardiner asked about ssh.
If the blue tooth doesn't work yet I'm guessing the WiFi doesn't either. I'm sure it will eventually. What I really want to see is someone stick a sim card in it, make and receive actual calls and texts.
The only way this could succeed somewhat is if, and only if Librem is financially independent. Otherwise, this thing will flop harder than Ubuntu touch. If Librem became a replacement rom for flashable android phones that would make a bigger difference tho.
Hey Gardner, it would be great if you make a video of Librem5 and PinePhone... They have to be addressed by someone with a little more knowledge than an average user, but a less expert view than someone like the guys from Destination Linux (who I admire). I think your point of view would be great in that matter...
I understand the appeal of the phone and the vision for a more open platform. However in terms of practicality and convincing average people to buy it this will not cut it. You really need to have an ecosystem of apps that are working well on a phone. In other words this MUST run Android apps and have hardware that is comparable to existing platforms to have any chance in the market.
Absolutely. You're right on the mark, the average person will not buy a prototype phone. However, I think you might be slightly confused with Purism's goal for the Librem 5. The long term purpose of the phone is to create a completely liberated ecosystem, a fresh alternative built from the ground up. This means it can't have Android apps on day one; it's not supposed to be open, it's meant to be liberated. With a liberated ecosystem, some companies might opt to piggy back off of PureOS and the Librem 5's hardware design. Similar to what happens with Android and any available hardware schematics or build instructions for such phones. The very idea of a third wheel in the world of smartphones is a large uphill battle. The very fact this first gen and first batch is shipping with reasonably decent quality for early adopters is a feat in of itself. Especially considering the strict FSF principals Purism wants to follow. Saying a third option can't work, isn't beginning, or isn't even shipping is denying reality. The prototype is here, the early adopters are supporting the R&D with their money, and the Librem ecosystem is in the works. The march forward only continues if the drumbeat keeps steady. Meaning, if early adopters and enthusiasts keep supporting it, provided sufficient and reasonable progress is proven, then the Librem ecosystem will continue development from Purism and others. Ideally the Librem ecosystem could be fully fleshed out in about 10-15 years and even then it'll still be a tough sell due to comfortability, network effect, or vendor lock-in efforts. So despite plausibly becoming a viable alternative in the foreseeable future, GNU/Linux phones like the Librem 5 may still suffer adoption similar to their laptop and desktop counterparts. But since they're smartphones and not laptops, we might see adoption due to a larger audience. You simply can't replace your smartphone with this gen and this batch of the Librem 5. That much is obvious. Regardless of the gen, batch, or how good it is, people should use their iPhones or Android phones as fallbacks just in case.
@@jaymesc4436 I'm saying i dont think they'll have the financial backing to do a version two if this phone doesn't succeed. This launch has already been rough.
Still waiting for mine... and am VERY excited. To me this ain't no phone, It's a server with PSU built in OR a laptop with a tiny screen that can make a phone call / txt.
I know that I'm in the minority, but I LIKE that it's kinda thick. I hate Gnome though so somebody better make a good Plasma port. Or XFCE. Or Mate. Ok pretty much anything BUT Gnome lol.
@@Qyngali I don't know, I think gnome is the best one to fit in a smartphone, personally, I don't like plasma on smartphones, and I don't like XFCE at all. But it is matter of taste ;)
Bring back hardware keyboards in phones like the old Droids. I always still miss this in Android, but a real Linux phone could absolutely shine with one of those.
My problem with Librem Phone right now is that it is an underpowered POC. Even previous gen phones have hardware that it twice as good for half of the price.
@@jack8407 I could pay $1000 for an old desktop with a Core2 duo and get it running reasonably smoothly too... But I won't, because that hardware is only as valuable as the previous metals it contains at this point. When I buy a phone, the hardware is what matters. This is why I don't buy apple. I don't want to buy last gen hardware at current or future gen prices. That makes no sense. Not to mention the fact that this is essentially a proof of concept, and not a complete and polished product. You can have the same experience buying a Nexus 5 for $60 USD and flashing it. A $600 price tag is unreasonably and artificially high for what you get.
This phone is a big deal, this needs to be a success.
It won't be, "It runs Linux" isn't a big selling point because the app ecosystem will suck. And then you are paying $700 for the specs of a phome that can't compete with the kind of stuff a $100 phone can do. Only purism fans would buy this.
Henk van het Internet
I’ve never had or used a purism device. Nor have i used pureOS. Hell, I barely know how to use Ubuntu.
I am definitely getting this phone.
@@thermophile2106 Why this one though over for example the Pine Phone which is similar but 150 dollars instead of 700.
This is the FLAGSHIP Linux phone. And this device will start catching on, not because it's a Linux phone, but because it's a SECURE phone.
@@gardiner_bryant Why is this one the flagship and the pinephone isn't? They seem to be aiming to do the exact same with similar specs.
I hope Linus Tech Tips does a video on this, android and ios users need to understand why this is an important device
I hope they wait on that til it's actually ready. While the current state is pretty awesome it's a hard sell to linus's audience when a lot of the standout features aren't working yet, and games run at terrible framerates.
@@benjaminschaaf Yeah, you're right. I just hope it doesn't take too long until the librem 5 is "gamery" enough, maybe getting retroarch to run will be a good starting place
I've found it! My very own sun!!
@@AlucardaPapere I can't imagine it would take that long. With even just a small team over at Valve I can see this thing running smaller PC games no problem (though you may need a m+kb or controller hooked up). Stuff like darkest dungeon or deep rock galactic wouldn't be too taxing and would be a HUGE selling point for gamers. The fact that this thing runs the same OS as my desktop, just with some phone features on top is a massive selling point for me and if even only a handfull of software developers dedicate the little bit of time needed to port their software to this device it would be a game changer for the entire computing industry.
@@VTlounge I think there is the need of a Steam/GOG equivalent for linux-arm games.
Hater: "This phone is basic..."
Librem5: "Your Mother is basic..."
Me: "But can it run Basic" Hihi.
@@Qyngali sudo apt install bwbasic
and father is pascal
I wasn't aware Purism was associated with Lunduke. "Hello, I'm having an issue with my Librem 5." "I'm sorry sir, comments are disabled."
I think he's responsible about marketing there.
Lunduke is the Marketing Director for Purism. He is also the person apparently who decided to make a bunch of crude jokes in a commercial about "not looking at your junk". Pro Tip: it was a bad idea.
Lunduke promised to do a 24 hour stream to raise money for a cause and then quit part way through. I don't have a problem with not being able to do a long stream, but I do have a problem with breaking promises.
Wow, GNOME on this phone runs just like it does on my PC, 10fps
Gnome literally the glitchiest desktop around for linux.
Lol.
It runs probably everything that any linux-based computer can, for example XFCE or something.
@@knightofy333schua8 Gnome is a DE, just like XFCE. I don't see any problem with that
I won't be getting one until they get the cellular modem working. It's almost false advertising calling it a phone when it doesn't make phone calls.
They fixed audio routing for the Librem 5 Birch batch two days ago, so it can actually make phone calls now.
The device is stuttering on every step
The guy behind channel: the performance is smooth
He also said the screen is gorgeous and that is a lie a 720p screen does not look good especially when it's not an OLED.
i love somewhat thicker phones, because it's easier to get those sturdy (more room for thicker backplate, can act as cooling as well), it's why i am interested already. then the non google stuff is important for me too.
Bigger battery is the bigger selling point IMO.
@skogenburzum The thing is today most apps are web apps. They just have to change a few things in the browser and it can run insta, facebook..
Gardiner is going full fanboy on a phone display. I would like to see how his current opinions on the display and comparing it with the pixel will age after another 2-4 years.
There are a lot of things that make a phone display good. A lot of phone manufacturers are probably putting 1440p or 4K displays on phones that absolutely suck, while purism puts in the best 720p LCD they could find. Louis Rossmann even addressed displays in his video on "why do people buy Apple products." The laptop industry has the same problem, Louis pointed out how laptop manufacturers are putting these 4K displays on laptops and people complain about how they are barely legible or dark and Apple comes in with absolutely beautiful 1080p displays, hence the premium feel of Apple products that keep customers coming back even after they found out they paid 475$ to repair a laptop that just had a battery unplugged from the motherboard. That's what I think Purism is doing here, they're throwing the numbers out the window and going the Apple approach putting in products that will be what the average user is caring about, but unlike Apple they're respecting users' rights by giving them sudo privileges and so forth.
@@albynoson Best of both worlds.
Complete in denial mode for constructive criticism lol
Exactly and without disclosing the payments he recieves.
Corrupt and the opposite of what opensource preaces!
@@knightofy333schua8 there is a niche market for good privacy focused enterprise phones which imo purism should focus on first after polishing everything after this "hardware beta test" and "alpha community software development", the thing is this IS a gen 1 product aimed at Linux geeks (or people who want a piece of history, like how the galaxy foldable was the first foldable), my only problem is why that Gardiner cannot last for 0.002 sec without being a shrill or a fanboy when talking about this phone (I'm not saying it's failure but saying a 720p>1080p raises a lot of questions like when to not trust Gardiner with a hardware review)
Scrolling may be bad but the real problem is that gnome is very VERY ugly.
The librem 5 and maybe even in the future, the pinephone, seem to be the start of a true linux on smartphone movement. Hopefully we can get linux on phone to where tux is on desktop.
That librem ui looking damn suave too.
If even one of these projects fails however it can be a big blow to future linux phone developments. I don't expect it to ever become anything that big, but if Librem5 or Pinephone fail, then i doubt many people will take up the challenge after.
I'm not sure we're watching the same video. The UI stutters like crazy, and scrolling is awfully choppy. I'm excited for the future this phone enables, but currently you're basically paying 700 dollars for the equivalent of a raspberry pi zero attached to an LTE modem and a barebones screen. I'd love to see where this goes in a year or two, but right now this is for hardcore early adopters with deep pockets.
The Pinephone right now seems to be doing a better job of targetting the tinkerers, the ones who need a disposable linux phone for their DIY project. Purism seems to have invested into becoming the high end linux phone, but the specs are not there and the software is FAR from ready.
@@cesarbretschneider no doubt it was choppy, but what i meant was that visually it looked much nicer than tne other offerings. I will admit, the weird flashing to the desktop wws weird, but if anything else, we'll still have the os to use on other phonee, including the pinephone.
@@cesarbretschneider The software might be far from ready, but so is the software for the pinephone which also happens to be a community endeavor. They should have delayed the librem, no doubt, but i think they were worried of not delivering again and figured it would be better to deliver unfinished software and a early batch of phones missing a few things to feisty backers than to delay another month. I have confidence the issues will be sorted out in the upcoming batches. They will be adding a heatpipe for performance and possibly adding a overclock, better kill switch caps, a moved antenna, and software enablement of the camera and bluetooth as well as another round of bug fixes already in the works (you can watch the patches being worked on).
I agree it's not worth $700 dollars if your not a linux fan. But if you are, this is a one of a kind of phone. Even the pinephone isn't quite the same, and doesn't go as deep to try and match FSF requirements. That said i might pick up a pinephone as well for comparison and deciding which one offers a better experience for me (to replace my current phone).
@@cesarbretschneider It's GNOME so it was expected.
This makes me want to buy one
hands down. if i had the cash i would. perhaps in the future.
same
Wait for Version 2 in Q4 2020. Better CPU and a lot of the software should be better by then too.
@@in-craig-ible6160 I feel like they shouldn't have announced V2 already. Now the people who have the money to buy it won't buy it because they will wait for V2 and then purism might not have the money to keep up their promisses. I hope that I am not right though. I will buy V2 or V1 if I have the money.
@random dude aren't they 300$?
@random dude nice
I hope it comes "fast" to Brazil, eating my nails while I wait.
Yeah, prepare 1500 bucks at least
You have no idea how big my grin was when I saw this thumbnail. 😄
I can tell is like having a mini crush with todd...
so true, so cute :)
I understand this is the thing we (enthusiasts) want, but the reactions from you on that device were slightly fan-boyish. The phone is not a game-changer at this stage. Yes, this has some potential, but it's not going to influence global market unless it can drag attention of an average regular guy looking for options.
No one's saying it's a game changer in the sense that it's going to become a huge influence, it's a game changer because this is the first time there has really ever been a phone that isn't completely locked down.
reliability is a factor too, yeah it's cool... but i remember when i started running arch linux and blew up my whole system with a single wrong system update command, then spent 3 days to re-install and update everything... now imagine having to do that, in an emergency, when you HAVE TO use the phone? When your phone "blows up" and you have no idea wtf to do, you better have a decent backup... It's not main stream if it cannot be fixed with a few buttons in under 20 minutes, like any and every modern smart phone
I am an average regular guy, and since the track and trace Covid bull crap came about I was pointed in this direction. Covid May make this phone
3:43 scrolling is REALLY choppy...
Perhaps the CPU & GPU are thermal throttling due to being exposed in the air in aspen. Combine that with early graphics drivers, and wallah, choppiness. I seriously hope it's improved by the time Chestnut (the December batch) rolls out.
The developers have said that there is much more room for optimization, they just did not have time due to having to get a lot of the basics up and running. The performance will improve in the future.
@@cynicist8114 I truly hope they fix it because this isn't a cheap phone and even if we are interested in this product for its possibilities, freedom and security.it should perform better for daily use if they want to attract a lot of new buyers that don't care/don't know why this is an important product
@@izaicslinux6961 *voila
@@agustinreyero264 *its possibilities (possessive)
it's = contraction of "it is/has"
born too late to explore the world, born too early to visit the stars, born just in time to watch android get gnomed
The form factor (like 1.5cm thick) and OS look (like Android 4.0) and pry-off plastic back looks exactly like my old LG G2X phone from 2011. It needs way more work than I thought. Thanks to everyone who pre-ordered though, we may actually get something more advanced by version 3. I love Purism, but this honestly is kind of a disappointment of a product, but its a success as a movement.
It depends on your expectations. I think it’s a great product.
I watched the video without sound (for now). But I got to say it : I am genuinely impressed with the quality of the device, especially the number of nits that thing seems to have. Now, this is not to say that there are not things to be improved. I know it, Purism know it, everybody knows it. There is however 5 things that keep bothering me : (1) the windows from the open apps, in the “overview”, should contain a preview of the last state of those open apps when they were left; (2) the AppGrid should not, in my perspective, be completely black but slightly transparent (so to see the wallpaper); (3) not sure if the buttons of the unlocking pad have the same style/size as the buttons of the phone number pad ; (4) the phone is a bit to bulky for nowadays and I hope purism will find a way to shrink it a bit somehow ; (5) 4gb isn’t too demanding, is it? Anyway, congratulations Purism!
I get the enthusiasm and hype but you van definitely tell between 720p and 1080p.
I'm not saying that 720p for a fisrt venture is bad but gardener oversold it way too much. 😄
At 1080p we would either have to scale the UI by 2.5, making it blurry, or by 2,making it too small. 720p for a screen that size allows us to scale the UI by 2, keeping it sharp and not too small. Also, it spares the GPU a bit. 🙂
Trust me, choosing the right screen was hard and we did our best to balance everything!
I am sorry but I don't quite understand the technicalities you just mentioned.
And I think it is fine that it ships with 720p for now. If they have a justification for the choice, even better.
I was just commenting on him not being able to tell the difference between a 720p and 1080p screen. I think that you can definitely tell. That's all.
And btw may I ask what do you mean by 'we'?
Also Also how why in 1080p 2x scaling is needed, it certainly isn't twice the side pixel lengths (as I said not quite familiar with the technicalities).
@skogenburzum I have a Samsung s3 and s5 one 720p other 1080. Cannot tell the difference. I like the s3 better because it's more vibrant.
Dude, 1080p still looks fine on a 13" laptop. On a 5" phone you don't see any difference between 720p and 1080.
@@noenkenagain, the same thing. I am not saying it won't blook fine nor I am bashing them for it. I just said you can tell the difference.
Peace.
Finally a video on Librem 5 after it has been shipping for ages it feels like now even though it only has been a week or 2
This phone looks so sturdy. Reminds me of my days with the 53rd Panzer division back in 1943, gut times ja
youre way too positive about a ridiculously thick phone with a low fps OS at only 720p with a price tag that high
I see a big future for Linux Smartphones, but definitely not this $700 raspberry pi with a screen. Hyped for the PinePhone.
Hey it's linuxer the garden g'nome
After switching my pc to linux my life changed. I became more productive. More alive.
This phone is what i've been searching for all my life.
Wow first half hour after the upload.
Wow the linux gnome-son gardner is officially important to linux. Contrast
Now I know I have a Thinkpad phone edition because this phone is f****** thicc
I got a T450S with a touch screen and it's amazingly chunky.
@@ChrisD__ oh great, but i have the thinkpad t430 with classic keyboard mod lmao (:
altough the thinkpad t450s is also great and it also has much newer processer
5:29 "And soon we'll have file browsing" Midnight Commander would like to speak with you
it's not that hard to port some decent file explorer from sources, and the phone already has gtk
NNN or Ranger
700 USD for phone that lags when scrolling simple layout.. there should be a way to install it on Android phones
Awesome!! This is such a needed project, I am so hyped about this!
For such impossible odds they did a fantastic job with the device. Leaves one hopeful for an open source future.
I won't be jumping in at this stage, but I hope that people take the plunge on this. It looks promising and I look forward to seeing where it goes.
Finally! Great job Gardiner!
The phones shape reminds me of the Zune HD
I have been hoping for a phone like this for so long! Thank you to everyone involved in creating this. I hope it does really well!
Glad to see the phone taking shape. It's what is needed for the open source community in the modern world. A few have worked on this idea ,but has never gotten this far. Including Google. Also, libhybris was a ting, is it still a thing. to run Android apps in a standard libc environment.
As a Java developer who (just like linus himself) couldn't make a nice looking UI to save my life, I really hope it can run java programs
As long as you have the correct JRE, there is no reason for it not to work. 🙂
Of course it can.
@Tor or just install openjdk from repos. It is there.
It runs EVERYTHING. Even Minecraft Desktop Edition, because why not? :P
Reminds me of Sailfish OS when it launched.
Like the headphone jack, love how thick and real it looks.
Kinda makes me sigh on how Jolla has been dropping the ball lately.
This makes me so happy to see. Finally. I was upset after the Ubuntu phone project died. I think this will be so much better.
ubports.com
I’ve never heard a word about how this thing was announced right after the Macafee privacy phone made by MGT with a bank of hard kill switches was shut down.
I wonder if MGT had a ton of the units built and Purism bought them and built the OS into it.
Hey, guys! Remember Ubuntu for Tablets? Anyone?
ohmygodineedthisphoneinmyfacenownownownownow!!!!!!!!!!!
Ubuntu Touch is still alive (thanks to UBPorts!), and it will support this phone!
I saw this in the YT sidebar while in the middle of a Lunduke vid ...and immediately clicked.
I really hope this takes off to become the next major mobile operating system. 🙏🏾 Would like to see it get to 1080p@60FPS and have another colour option for the body. 😉 And for some reason, I also love the thickness of this phone. 🧱
love it. i think we need a proper open source repository for phones.
phones are where linux was 20 years ago. getting there slowly but surely. great times ahead
You sound like a seller, not a critical reviewer. No honest reviewer would brag of a what you defined as a 10 fps 720p screen. How much did Purism pay you? The gave you the phone for free right?
He bought it with his money
we never asked for thin phones, we never asked for thin laptops, we wanted working machines and after 10 years of iCrap revolution, we're finally getting there. nice
Looks like two phones glued together
My response when I saw this video come up in my feed “ you’re f ing joking”
I'll just unlock the door in case Todd Weaver wants to visit me too. :P
In all seriousness, that device looks great already! Having all those familiar apps, a full terminal experience, and all basic smartphone features is just what I would want! Not going to lie, that black anodized aluminum does give it a very premium look, so i wonder what the molded ones will look like now. All in time I guess ^^
@@knightofy333schua8 Do you know people sell cargo trucks for €100000 euro here, while their top speed is only a bit over one hundred kilometers per hour? How dumb is that, you can literally buy a car for like a thousand dollars that can hit almost 200km/h, literally.
I’m so happy to see this finally out. This is what real Bay Area innovation used to be about. I’ll be seriously looking into this in the future. I want to get off the “data grid “
iPhones and Android handsets are phones with computers. Now I can finally get a computer with a phone.
I think a popular alternative to getting into the market would be drawing tablet alternatives to the likes of iPad pro. This is an area that currently android is really lacking in where there is only one tablet that can compete which is the Samsung Tab S6. If we were to create a drawing tablet that ran on a desktop environment optimized for touchscreens and had a modern interface then that would be cool.
Now we need a Librem Self Driving Car with Free Hardware and Free Software, accessible with the Librem Key and in a DeLorean form factor. Ask Todd for this please.
Oh boi, that performance.
I'm willing to do some sacrifices for this, but the performance looks awful.
Choosing gnome for a smartphone port makes perfect sense, but without the right hardware to run it you end up with the user experience of early android phones.
The biggest reason it is so laggy right now are the GPU drivers (a big problem for almost all ARM devices running Linux) and the CPU power states. Simply said, the open source drivers for the Vivante GC7000Lite (Etnaviv) are still in the alpha stage and are doing most of the rendering on the CPU and the kernel bits controlling the CPU can either give you 100% of its power (causing overheating and poor battery life) or the lowest power-saving mode. Those are known problems and are being worked on. Once we get a proper 3D acceleration and CPU scaling, the performance will be much better.
Promising. I'd like to see how this develops.
I watched this video hoping to get some details of someone's experience using the phone, instead I just got gushing over Todd and how cool it is to have the phone. No walk-throughs of using the apps, except about the graphics of the pre-loaded game, or even using the browser for something that one would otherwise use an app for. Nothing! 14.5 minutes I won't get back, but I'm glad the guy got his fanboy dream of meeting Todd.
You could have talked more about the specs, compared to your actual phone in terms of aspect or performance in loading a page etc.
And at some point it would be great that you answer to your mails ^^
KDE Plasma PinePhone beautiful I can't wait
I cant wait for the Librem 5 vs Pinephone comparison once the drivers mature a bit. Im getting one when the browser, bluetooth audio and data works. Porting the open source apps i used wont take long they dont depend on anything android specific.
I personally don't mind any of the 'flaws', my expectations are adequately set. I like at the end how he mentions some minor flaws and emphasizes looking at the big picture.
I'm not a fan of 1st gen devices and don't like testing things out. I will hopefully jump on the bandwagon further down the line.
I hope the future versions are a bit more affordable. if around 499 I would buy it right now.
Seems like they've gone back to the basics in a sense, but revamped technology wise..
Introducing apps as they perfect the security, privacy I'm assuming..
Sort of reminds me of my Microsoft phone I had. I had to download a different app, in order to watch UA-cam etc. They have their own play store, where new apps were added as they became available. I'd still have it, if it wasn't smashed.
Took a while to get used to.
yep. This is EXACTLY what I have been wanting. To be out and about without a laptop lugged around, and be able to have a legit and CLEAN AND EASY way to do terminal work, in the palm of your hand. GG
You are way too enthusiastic with no criticism...
I personally use my phone as a mini laptop, and it is easy to see the advantage of 1080p when a non-scaled user interface is able to fit more elements than it otherwise would be able to.
My biggest concern with this version is the rounded corners which won't integrate as well with other desktop environments, but apparently the screen will have nice square ones in the future :) .
I like rounded corners.
The best part of it will also be the worst problem sadly. The full open system will be the issue some services will hold against it. Like digital signature things for example.
Hope this thing goes so huge that those arguments could not stop support for it though.
F__k'n amazing. I am definitely going to get one. Thank you so much for this video. Actually I'm going to get two,one for my wife too.
This is by far one of the most fanboyish video I've seen.
🦛☝️🦛☝️🦛
One of my biggest concerns/questions regarding this device that would prohibit me from buying it is, are there anything cases for it, either from the company or 3rd party vendors? I have a tendency to drop phones and I'm not going to drop $700 without a strong case.
Yeah, you make a good point. For an obscure piece of hardware like this, I don't think you're going to find any kind of real case at all. The best you can probably hope for is some 3D printed thing, maybe. Not sure how protective that would be though.
at the end I think this phone is more interesting than I thought . I would like to have one ..
Back in the day I had a Compaq IPAQ, that ran OPIE Linux. it was ARM, and things were ported in with the ipkg manager. I thought that's what it was going to be, then the iPhone came out. I'm really hoping the this librem5 works out.
Wow! I'm so jealous!!
Thanks for the amazing video and shout-out!
I'm excited that Linux in phones and the Librem 5 are making progress, but this video isn't your best, in my very humble opinion.
This isn't a review or anything, so I guess it's fine really, but even "THE dude" behind the thing seems a lot more realistic about the device's current state than you are. I haven't held the thing myself, but from seeing the girth of the thing, and hearing the creaks Todd so honestly demonstrated, I can't imagine that it actually compares to a Pixel 2 in terms of build quality the way you describe. But then again, it's not really trying to at the moment, so that's fine. Still feel like you shouldn't talk it up too much though. You did a much better job with that while talking about the software experience, points for that!
Over all, I think the video was a little too much of you just geeking out for my personal taste. It's great that you show your excitement for the project, but if you want to bring more people on board (people who might not yet be living the FOSS life that is), you should probably tone it down a bit. More practical information about how the device is to use, such as battery life for example. But maybe you're planning on a full review with stuff like this once the software gets more polish? (I would love that, a more unbiased look at the whole package.)
Lastly, "B-roll" didn't do much for me. I understand that you might not have a very interesting filming set right now (saw the moving video) but honestly, I would have prefered if you just showed the two of you talking. And when you're showing off the phone itself, more angles please, vary your shots. It's not even necessary for your hands to be in all of them, I just wanna drink in every millimeter of the phone.
Hope you took no offense, this is just me leaving some feedback. Love the stuff you do, keep at it, and keep improving!
Kind regards, the Fastest Doriftor of Lodose.
I hope they work on that input lag a bit
Yay
The librem 5 is a nice concept but we need more Performance in Hardware.
It currently just sucks and many People care for Hardware specs
Not entirely true I have a nexus 4 that I used to run ubuntu touch on it had the UI running much more smoothly.
Finally u got it. Was waiting for your video since long.
So what's really good about this phone? The software?
Undoubtedly a very good product, but 699 is a hard price to swallow.
Nice! I wish Todd had come down to Connecticut to talk to me. The phone isn't as thick as I thought it was going to be. I'm super excited now! 6:46 I'm glad Gardiner asked about ssh.
If the blue tooth doesn't work yet I'm guessing the WiFi doesn't either. I'm sure it will eventually. What I really want to see is someone stick a sim card in it, make and receive actual calls and texts.
Brilliant! I hope this takes off!
I'm opening a store in El Paso, TX. I want to sell these phones
The only way this could succeed somewhat is if, and only if Librem is financially independent. Otherwise, this thing will flop harder than Ubuntu touch. If Librem became a replacement rom for flashable android phones that would make a bigger difference tho.
I thought It lags. But if it weren't for the animation, I think it's quite snappy.
Hey Gardner, it would be great if you make a video of Librem5 and PinePhone... They have to be addressed by someone with a little more knowledge than an average user, but a less expert view than someone like the guys from Destination Linux (who I admire). I think your point of view would be great in that matter...
I understand the appeal of the phone and the vision for a more open platform. However in terms of practicality and convincing average people to buy it this will not cut it. You really need to have an ecosystem of apps that are working well on a phone. In other words this MUST run Android apps and have hardware that is comparable to existing platforms to have any chance in the market.
Absolutely. You're right on the mark, the average person will not buy a prototype phone. However, I think you might be slightly confused with Purism's goal for the Librem 5. The long term purpose of the phone is to create a completely liberated ecosystem, a fresh alternative built from the ground up.
This means it can't have Android apps on day one; it's not supposed to be open, it's meant to be liberated. With a liberated ecosystem, some companies might opt to piggy back off of PureOS and the Librem 5's hardware design. Similar to what happens with Android and any available hardware schematics or build instructions for such phones.
The very idea of a third wheel in the world of smartphones is a large uphill battle. The very fact this first gen and first batch is shipping with reasonably decent quality for early adopters is a feat in of itself. Especially considering the strict FSF principals Purism wants to follow.
Saying a third option can't work, isn't beginning, or isn't even shipping is denying reality. The prototype is here, the early adopters are supporting the R&D with their money, and the Librem ecosystem is in the works. The march forward only continues if the drumbeat keeps steady. Meaning, if early adopters and enthusiasts keep supporting it, provided sufficient and reasonable progress is proven, then the Librem ecosystem will continue development from Purism and others.
Ideally the Librem ecosystem could be fully fleshed out in about 10-15 years and even then it'll still be a tough sell due to comfortability, network effect, or vendor lock-in efforts. So despite plausibly becoming a viable alternative in the foreseeable future, GNU/Linux phones like the Librem 5 may still suffer adoption similar to their laptop and desktop counterparts. But since they're smartphones and not laptops, we might see adoption due to a larger audience.
You simply can't replace your smartphone with this gen and this batch of the Librem 5. That much is obvious. Regardless of the gen, batch, or how good it is, people should use their iPhones or Android phones as fallbacks just in case.
It looks a lot better than I expected. Thick, but for a replaceable battery I can swallow that. And wow is that tty tiny, lol.
Wow! I am amazed.
Back to iPhone 2G performance
Why is the USA version $2k?!
I forgot about the m.2 slot for wireless communications upgrades! sweeeeet!
It still needs time to get developed maybe a year and a half away
in that time frame it will feel extremely outdated, hardware wise
@@Y.M... And with the mess this launch has been, i don't think they will be able to pull off version two of this phone.
@@izaicslinux6961 nah I hope v2 is better because it will have had time for devs to make apps for it
@@jaymesc4436 I'm saying i dont think they'll have the financial backing to do a version two if this phone doesn't succeed. This launch has already been rough.
Still waiting for mine... and am VERY excited. To me this ain't no phone, It's a server with PSU built in OR a laptop with a tiny screen that can make a phone call / txt.
Kinda thick, but hell, it looks great!!!!!
I know that I'm in the minority, but I LIKE that it's kinda thick. I hate Gnome though so somebody better make a good Plasma port. Or XFCE. Or Mate. Ok pretty much anything BUT Gnome lol.
@@Qyngali I don't know, I think gnome is the best one to fit in a smartphone, personally, I don't like plasma on smartphones, and I don't like XFCE at all. But it is matter of taste ;)
Bring back hardware keyboards in phones like the old Droids. I always still miss this in Android, but a real Linux phone could absolutely shine with one of those.
Nice! I hope it takes off when they're ready for release.
From what I understand, it has already been released, They started shipping a week or two ago.
i am making plans to buy one in January or so
:D
My problem with Librem Phone right now is that it is an underpowered POC. Even previous gen phones have hardware that it twice as good for half of the price.
But you can potentially make it run a wm and walla You got 300mb idle
@@jack8407 I could pay $1000 for an old desktop with a Core2 duo and get it running reasonably smoothly too... But I won't, because that hardware is only as valuable as the previous metals it contains at this point. When I buy a phone, the hardware is what matters. This is why I don't buy apple. I don't want to buy last gen hardware at current or future gen prices. That makes no sense. Not to mention the fact that this is essentially a proof of concept, and not a complete and polished product. You can have the same experience buying a Nexus 5 for $60 USD and flashing it. A $600 price tag is unreasonably and artificially high for what you get.