Are gated communities bad for cities?
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"My daughter feels very threatened when she sees poor people." Jesus christ...
She is weak she must take extra care to keep safe. As an adult man I can fight or run if things go sough a little girl can not. Also adult men are the group most likely to be victims of violent crime so clearly the paranoia works.
I've had a girlfriend like that; she grew up in a very intellectual environment and didn't want to be exposed to lower class people. It was a shock to her that I had friends who are nurses and truckdrivers and it stressed her so much to be in the presence of these people.
@@stephans1990 then it was not an intellectual environment but braincase fiesta environment
@@stephans1990 idiot environment maybe lol
@@stephans1990 Nurses? How did she get medical care?
I lived in a gated community for 6 years. It had guards, free food, free health services, workout areas, basketball courts, the works. It was an all male community and many of them were literally killers, not to mention I wasn't allowed to leave when i wanted, but hey, take the good with the bad I suppose.
Was it in far upstate New York?
that's called a cult
prison
Sounds like a jail but I could be wrong 😂
Lol original joke
"People who live in gated communities don't know the people who live on the outside." Why do you think they pay extra to live in a gated community?
Jup, ppl living outside gated comunities dont know others too.
They are just exposed to way more ppl from all social groups.
@@kvakerbillduck9500 So what you’re saying is gated communities are racist because they don’t like diversity.
@@glasss-o-water5186 Go cry. Yes, they don't like diversity, so what? People have natural inclinations to live with those that are similar to them. Somali's live with other Somali's, Indians with Indians, Koreans with Koreans. If they want to be with their own it's okay.
But when white people or upper-middle class people want to live with others who are like them, now it's suddenly racist?
People who overuse the word, 'racist' are effectively nullifying the meaning of the word, so the word becomes a buzzword.
Being racist is not the worst thing in the world. Yes, you might hurt someone's feelings, but it's not the same as being physically attacked. Let me guess, you yourself probably live in a safe white neighborhood, don't you? If you want diversity, why don't you go live in a black neighborhood? Plenty of diversity there!
@@LemmingwayArk frankly when it comes to gated communities and the topic of this just causes isolation and distances people from the outside world few seem to ask maybe that's what they want .... Lord forbid you surround yourself with people you share common interests and beliefs the dark reality is the only way white people can survive in South Africa today is a gated community
@@glasss-o-water5186 Diversity? Don't you mean anti white?
In Brazil, you can live in a "open" neighborhood with walls and fences around your house, or you can live in a gated community with walls around an entire perimeter and a lot of freedom on the inside. That, or you can live in a favela. You don't get much of a choice, if you can afford to live in a gated community, you are going to
Yeah, and our gated communities aren't all fancy as gringos may think. I live in one which is basically "the projects". I lived in another one that was way worse and it was gated too. Security is very lax btw
Do any people live in rural areas and commute to the city for work in brazil? I've never been, but in the US that is common for very small cities (Like between 10,000 and 100,000 population cities).
@@elijahhmarshall yeah, that is common. There are normally many small cities surrounding a large city where you will drive a 2-3 hour commute to work
@@davigurgel2040 lol 2 3 hours. Fail
@@peregrimus you're right, that't a pretty big stretch now that i think about it.
6:27
“mommy, why do the people in that truck have wires on their air pods”
Afrofrenchtoast come child, this neighborhood isn’t safe.
Afrofrenchtoast lol
honestly really sad. this is kind of what's wrong with america in general
she must've been terrified 😆
Gated communities are not exclusive to rich people. I live in an apartment complex that’s gated. Many ordinary people in central Florida live in gated communities that make far less than 100k a year.
This reminds me of that episode of SpongeBob where Squidward finds that gated community with like minded squids. And he ends up hating it lol.
I'll have to check out that episode!
@@CityBeautiful Its one of the early episodes from season 1 or 2
12345678910bigal Patrick (talking to a hydrant): Are you Squidward? That’s okay, take your time.
@@CityBeautiful That episode is called "Squidville" (episode 26b, season 2)
Are you squidward, now?
let's talk about Urban settings not having gated communities but technically they do. if you live in a skyscraper you live in a gated community it's just vertical instead of sprawled
The thing is though is in gated communities most activities you do are in the gates community, but in a city most activities you do are outside of your apartment or condo. For example if you go to a park In a gated community you stay within the walls, but in a city when you go to a park you go out into the public. You leave the "saftey" of your skyscraper. Also people in skyscrapers come from different backgrounds and have different mindsets unlike what'd typically see in gated communities. So your logic doesn't make much sense.
@@Jz-vz8ky I think this is a specific case, this is like a full on military base kind of gated. Most gated communities I see are just homes and maybe a pool house and some other sports amenities.
Was waiting for someone to suggest they were racist…..did not disappoint
@@CelloandAnayaJ
well they can appear to be but it depends on your intentions. If you want to live in a gated community for the sole purpose of getting away from the Mexicans or Blacks well then thats you and that makes YOU the racists but NOT the concept of gated communities.
I guess everyone in my city, Hong Kong, lives in gated communities then. Lmao
The point about gated communities' paranoia is too real for me. The officials in our gated community just started bribing the local police to do night patrols(a very unnecessary thing to do as there has never been any incident to begin with) depriving the outsiders of normal police services. I'll be moving out to a mixed-use neighborhood soon
Everybody gangsta till a secret murderer moves in to a gated community
Haha I was thinking about that too
Or if the guards are the helper of robbers.
Everyone gangsta til a jogger goes for a jog in your gated community
And he loves hand
Probably more likely to be killed by an associate or relative anyway
I think of military bases like gated communities only with a much more powerful HOA.
stuckOnDom bases are wack! No public urination no walking on grass uniformed... no PDA
You don't own your home on a military base. MP's can enter with out a warrant. Few plant trees or flowers as they don't own it.
@ Never seen a officer using both hands to carry anything. OCS teaches them to keep one arm free.
And if you go 1mph over youre getting pulled over. But I also believe the air Force just likes to power trip on marines. Gotta love Luke AFB.
Edit: Changed live to love
I heard the American military forbids umbrellas too British.
"My daughter feels threatened by poor people" yikes. Literally sounds like a line from evil rich people in a movie
Well as someone who grew up poor, I’d rather not go back to living in those conditions
@Ryan Alex its easy to be nice when you dont have to struggle to survive everyday
I feel threatened by rich people. Meanest sons of bitches ever, and they do it just for fun. At least everytime a poor person stole from me, they actually had a reason. Rich people steal your stuff so they can destroy it in front of you and watch you cry as they laugh in your face because they can buy a million more for themselves. This has been my personal experience anyway. I was the kid who got made fun of in school for not having the latest stuff, but who’s to say those kids parents don’t secretly have mountains of debt?
I'm not a parent nor am i child Psychologist, but I think that fear might her imitatting her parents.
and besides, families don't choose to move because a kid asked them to.
also 'she didn't have enough exposure so we relocated far far away and now she won't be exposed to them again'.
I have friends whose girlfriend almost got kidnapped into a car until her dad come out shooting in the air. This probably would be harder to do in a gated community. It is probably the cheaper way out than having police everywhere to catch all the bad people.
To the person who feels threatened leaving their gated community to go downtown… that’s just plain sad
People who lock their front doors....... are just plain sad
@@vectormwendwa8513 Haha epic man isolating yourself from your fellow man is totally the way to go haha
@@mfitzburger5137 bold assumption, u don’t even know which continent I’m from. Also how can I be isolated when I live with a big family??
@@vectormwendwa8513 how is locking your door sad? Why is prohibiting unwanted people from entering your home sad?
@@LoboLakerGamingwas replying to @Gayvn.
I am pretty sure gated communities exist for thousands of years. They were just called "fortresses"
Fortress were usually like an army base, like a Military base, it was never intended to keep people away, also living in gate community, people tend to be more entitle
MrMundo3d cringe
And everyone who didn't farm lived in them
@@MrMundo3d That's not true, there's loads of walled cities you can see in history. That's just a big fortress with folk in as well as soldiers.
My town was originally a fortress where a village was established in the walls of the castle, then expanded beyond its walls.
@@MrMundo3d monasteries during the the Middle Ages were fortified, walled off areas to protect records and books about the Roman Empire and before so that the people living there could keep away bandits, Vikings, and such from destroying with little History they had left. If it weren't for those monasteries turned fortresses, we probably wouldn't know anything from before 500 ADE
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Kind of
@@Game_Hero It's just a joke. I enjoyed the video, and Skillshare is probably a great service. Just found it ironic to advert for it in this video.
@@johnvanzwieten8869 I wasn't talking to you John :)
We went to go see some friends in Honduras a few years ago, trust me they are VERY necessary in some areas.
Yeah, in Honduras they are extremely common and not just for rich people.
Places like that yes, I would live in a gated community. Now , I live in in Mesa, AZ yeah no.
@@Lzrdman91 in Mesa and Gilbert there's a gated community like every other block lol
Honduras is a third world country. USA isn't.
@@Ablequerq the places with diversity are
My sister lived in a gated community. I remember when I visited, I had to drive 2.3 miles to her house. Every time we needed to go out we had to drive these 2.3 miles out to the gate each and every time. And the closest shopping center was 4.6 miles from the gate. She doesn’t live there anymore but I would never live in a place like that. All I felt was isolation from the rest of the outside world. It literally felt like an optional prison.
To me, if i was gonna live in a gated community that large, i would rather move to a rural area and take the half hour drive to the city.
@@elijahhmarshall so your solution to isolating yourself in a gated community, is to isolate yourself in a rural area that is most likely shittier then a gated community?
@@nogoodgod4915 I don't see how that's isolating yourself when all your shopping, recreation, and work has to be done in a city. And idk where you are from, but rural area is beautiful where I live. As opposed the suburbs where you can live, work, and shop in the suburbs.
@@nogoodgod4915 well yeah because you can do whatever you want meanwhile gated community has hoa and all that other crap and you have to live by their rules.
You got the idea. These people want to isolate themselves from the plebs. They don't normally have to worry about driving long distances because that's someone else's job.
Mayor: "I want you in my gated community"
Annaise: "Is that some kind of euphemism for prison?"
Mayor chuckles: "Yes, but all the criminals are on the outside."
-The Amazing World of Gumball
I love that show
Rich people bad amirite
ah i see you are a man of culutre as well
detector de mentiras Yes they are
@@raptor_boquita Yes.
South Africa has tonnes of really small gated communities because of massive crime rates, although, nearly every middle to upper class house has it's own gates and fencing around it to protect the houses.
You got here before I could, as far as I can tell, SA is the only country to have the development needed for gated communities to be mainstream and the crime rate for them to be needed. Oh how I love living in this country...
A country ravaged by apartheid and massive inequality will have that
So do hovels in Nigeria. It's a sign of a country's dysfunction - the more gates, the more dysfunction.
sean li *Ehem* Mexico.
True, but the ones in the gated communities aren't the ones affected by the crime. Its the poor people who can't afford to live in gated communities such as the farmers who are affected.
“My daughter feels threatened when she sees poor people” I’m sorry that HAS to be fake lmao
I work in the suburbs while living downtown in the nearby city (Richmond, VA), and I can tell you that these people exist.
@@liokin229 Richmond VA was our halfway point when we drove up the coast to our vacation destination, and let me just say, it was the worst city I've been to so far.
We were in a hotel in a fairly poor area where our entire hotel smelled like weed and the floors were all damp. I actually had a crackhead encounter when I went to the gas station where a lady harassed the only gas station clerk for like ten minutes to give her change for $100 so she could give him $5 to watch her car out front. Staying in Emporia on the way back was trashy too. I feel bad for anyone who lives in those parts of VA.
@@samneibauer4241 I’m gonna assume you were staying at one of the hotels by Arthur Ashe Blvd near 95. Yeah those ones are ass. They’re used to house homeless people most of the time. I’ll recommend the hotels closer to the Capitol if you come back to our city. I’ll tell you that most interactions in this city aren’t like that. Sorry that happened to you.
The whitest thing ever
Yeah.
What do poor people look like?
I live in a “secluded” community,
No poor around here
But I can’t tell, around poor areas.
I grew up in Georgia and didn’t see many gated communities at all. When I relocated to California for my job, it was a culture shock. Gated communities were everywhere from trail parks to million dollar home. I just relocated again to Texas and I see them more here than in Georgia but nothing like in California.
Well, looks like Georgia could benefit from some of those to keep Putin's orcs out XDDDDD
People with money want privacy and space. I live in Texas. We don't want strangers or their kids on our property. It's like that.
@@DIVISIONINCISION Some People nowadays wants to put their noses on everything even your choices of living
Someone wanted to build one in Denmark a few years ago.
Lots of people were hating on it, calling it un-Danish. It ended up not being build
I don't see them happening in Scandinavia any time soon, no. Good thing, too. You're supposed to work to solve crime and other social issues, not wall yourself off from them.
but the money...
@Luís Andrade Not what I said, but I understand that you felt like building a strawman so you had something to lash out on.
Denmark is not America. It's different.
I live in the Netherlands and i’ve seen some gated communities in a sense that the houses are along a private road and there is a barrier (which you could walk around) at the entrance but no walls. Although one was surrounded by a side channel
My friend lives in gated community and I always feel strange while entering it
I think that's the point, outsiders not welcome.
You have to behave a certain way as well. Like a hermit since everything you do will get noticed. I much prefer meeting them at the nearby train station.
mixererunio mine does too and they’re golf courses are for “golfers only” and people there genuinely believe we are going to cause harm just by driving on the golf cart paths next to the golf cart
mixererunio I’d feel safer
I hate them cause if I don't want to cycle on a stroad they are the only choice in sometimes but I can't really get in unless I jump over something.
I know of a "gated community" in Myrtle Beach, SC.
It's a campground called Ocean Lakes Family Campground. They have their own restaurant, grocery store, police department, fire department, garbage collection system, etc.
I know it's a campground, but I would still call it a gated community.
They all have the common interest of grilling and having cold ones with the boys
This stuff only exists in countries with great wealth disparity. As someone coming from a third world country these type of communities just lead to further disparity.
gated community is extremely common in Indonesia, basically where the rich live to separate from the poor
Nyasar bro
Emang ada di kota mana ya? Kok aku baru denger
@@_____________3823 Di Tangerang banyak sih ya,cuma gatau kota lain.
wow how do those rich people think? like just because there poor doesn't mean they wanna steal something from you
@@_____________3823 Di jakarta banyak, apalagi daerah yg banyak cinanya
Americans: "America is the greatest country on Earth"
Also Americans: live in gated communities because they are scared of America
The people who say the first thing usually aren’t the people who live in gated communities. A lot of the people living in gated communities hate America despite them getting rich entirely due to America.
The thing that doesn't make sense about this video is that just because you live in a gated community it doesn't mean you don't stay within its walls most of the time. I mean why can't you live in a safe gated community AND *GASP* GO OUT of your community on a daily basis to interact with the people of the rest of the city or area you live in?
UzuMaki NaRuto Why live in a gated community if you’re going to do that though?
@@jeremynewcombe3422
Because a gated community is usually meant to keep people OUT, not to keep you in. Its suppose to be a safe haven from the outside world of sorts where you come home to a sanctuary that hopefully keeps bad people out.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ And who are these bad peopleM
I typed in directions for the nearest CVS in MA and it took me to a gated community. I was told the cvs is only for the people that lived there. A private Cvs, wow.
The guard was nice enough, apparently it happens often.
That's dystopian as fuck mate Jesus christ..
That concerns me. What would happen if the local hospital was inside the gate?
I almost can’t believe that’s even legal, but then again…
@@Jonas-Seiler CVS located in Hingham, MA is located within a private community and closed to the general public.
Good for them!!!
I hope it's open 24/7.
Do you leave all your doors in your house open all day long, or do you lock them to prevent intruders? Yeah that's why they keep their gates shut.
If you need gates around communities and even city's to feel safe, then id say there is a bigger problem that needs solving.
Yes the Urban environment produces criminal behavior. In turn it produces urban sprawl which in turn produces gated communities where rich assholes retire. Fix the urban cores of cities by fixing the education system, better parenting, and actually allowing the next generation to properly prepare for the real world.
Yep, the need for gated community is a clear indication of higher crime level in the society
Isn't the general decline of violent crime something he pointed out in the video? Cities are the safest they've ever been. All the "danger" of public neighborhoods is just in the heads of these rich, paranoid weirdos
vlogo well not all of them are of course some have actually been robbed or were victims of a crime at some point and I’d say that in those specific cases the desire to live in a gated community is a bit more understandable as to have a sense of security
Obviously, but what is an individual person who just wants to live a calm life going to do about such a huge issue? People are just going to chose the simplest option.
youtube bullied me into watching this
You gotta just accept it. This is the person UA-cam has chosen for you to be. It could have chosen drama channels, late night tv hosts or fortnite streamers. Instead, in it's infinite grace and mercy, it chose for you a mild interest in city planning.
Yeah it was continuously appearing in my recommendation finally I watched it.
@@prabinneupane850 if you see something in your recommendation that you dont want to watch, you can just click right top and say "not interested"
HahahHaa
Are you from estonia?
When the DA does not even prosecute shop lifting and your have poops on your street, gated community would be a cheap way to isolate the problem to a smaller part of the area. I don't live in CIC but I don't blame people who want to. Let's be honest, it is expensive to police a high crime area and people just want a cheap way out, and gated community is the cheapest way out.
Sounds like the last 40+ years of neoliberal capitalism have been an abject failure which destroyed the social fabric of the U.S.A.
Who woulda thunk it?
Which is why “housing first” solutions and strong social programs are the only way to fix those problems because the natural free market solution is to have those with the capital move away from the problems and then end up ignoring them altogether in their bubbles.
@@August-Willich People generally became indifferent about politics and corrupt politicians took advantage with the media’s help selling us out. Cronyism.
Anti-American “progressives” dominating mainstream culture destroyed the social fabric.
Exactly, crimes can not be justified. Criminal should be same in eye of justice department irrespective of financial, racial, ethnic, or religious background. People have right to life and property. If govt. cant provide it, they create gated communities.
And people who are saying first create a socialist utopia and then we will not commit crime, are just fooling all and upcoming generations. Yes their should be free basic and necessary public services, but envy of wealth will get no one anywhere.
I’m confused that he hasn’t mentioned gated apartments because a lot of those are cheap and can be very diverse. When I think of a gated community I usually think of apartments, probably because I’ve been looking for one… I kinda forget that gated neighborhoods exist, too.
probably didn't mention it because gated apartments don't usually have their own parks, don't maintain their own roads, and the residents don't own any property. i've seen and lived in some huge sprawling apartment complexes, some with gates and some without, but it's not in any way an insular experience like a gated community is, because you are very close to your neighbors all the time and people are constantly moving in and out. gated apartment and even condominium complexes aren't really comparable to gated communities in the ways that he was focusing on in the video.
Yeah in Florida even the apartments in the hood are gated communities
@@picksey4736 Public housing projects are highly insular lol you're definitely not from the hood.
You’re conflating gates w/ gated communities.
Yeah, Cabrini Green; those were the days...
There were so many gated communities in southern Las Vegas. It made getting around sorta difficult because they are essentially roadblocks unless you hop the gates.
Trav in the Box I did deliveries today there and got frustrated with the gates!
Lived in Vagas in the mid 70's and thought the walls were for wind and sand control, cus it didn't stop people from entering, maybe my youth was right, then things changed .
I’m a truck driver in Vegas. Guess how many gated community living assholes don’t get their shit?
I live in Brazil, and the first time I went to a gated community, I was impressed. I never saw houses without walls around them, like in the US.
One time a friend of my parents went to a trip for some weeks, and we were asked to take care of home and pets on their house. They live in a gated community.
I never felt this free, the streets feel safer and you aren't scared of walking at any time, day and night.
And I finally managed to play pokemon go without fear of getting robbed lol
I live in Nigeria, and I'll pick a gated community anytime of the day. They're just cleaner and have well maintained amenities.
It's too bad I'm too broke to afford it
Jesus, if you fear walking outside in your own country, there is an obvious problem.
@@mr.p215 welcome to latin América dude
@@mr.p215 Welcome to third world, where crime is not punished.
Only in America are people suppose to feel bad for wanting to live and raise their family in a safe community and get to know their neighbors
You can do both of those things without blocking public access.
Nobody who isn't an ignoramus suggests that Americans should feel guilty about raising their families in a gated community. Informed people understand why some Americans choose to do so, just as they understand why South Africans also choose to do so.
Gated communities are racially enforced in many places in the US, at least in history and on a defacto level today since it's not technically legal. Renting, leasing and housing discrimination.
Not to mention, infrastructure for walking and cycling often sucks. Experiences come from delivering to many gated community residents and trying to navigate the mazes of unidentifiably identical buildings, winding roads, and random, confusing, narrow sidewalks.
This comment needs to be higher up so more can see
America: we have the best gated comunities
North Korea: hold my rocket
Juche is unironically a ideology that cuts off all imperial monetary ties with other nations. Too bad kim is fucking stupid and refuses to do it in the way his fathers have done it
The ruling classes have gated comunities everywhere in the USA they are common for commoners.
South Africa: hold my ****
The DPRK doesn't have the problem of hating on outsiders tho, they just hate imperialists and capitalists c:
‘Self reliance’ sounds almost RepubliKKKlan haha
I live in a gated community in the United Arab Emirates.
Keeping in mind that this country has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, I think the security and the walls that we have around our compound are just a status symbol and a psychological differentiation method between 'us' and the 'others'. It comes off as elitist and in my opinion is a barrier to forming healthy ties inside and outside the community.
If you think it's bad, why do you live there?
@@leandrog2785 Pros and cons
then MOVE OUT since you disapprove
@@deathlarsen7502 exactly
rich people are picky with who they want to hang out with because everyone is after their money. this isnt about gated communities as it was created for demand. the issue is classism. its almost natural.
My family and I are relocating for my wife’s job. When house hunting a fantastic house at a reasonable price went on the market. It was in a gated community. When we went to see it, we couldn’t even get in at first. We had to go to a special gate. When inside, we saw tons of giant houses but zero people. It felt empty and dead. We both said oh hell no.
That's in most upper income neighborhoods, people are IN their homes enjoying the A/C, space, quiet. What were you expecting?
"We couldn't even get in at first. We had to go to a special gate." You went to look at a house in a gated community ffs, what did you expect? That is the POINT of a gated community.
Would you like to live next to skid row were it always bustling with people?
@@D3xterJettster that’s the only other option?
@@daleviker5884they always give you codes to get in the niebghrood usally
In some countries gated communities are essential to maintaining a reasonable level of security against home invasions and violent crime.
Bingo!
I once lived in a smaller gated community nothing wrong with the small ones but once you move into the larger ones with the own internal infrastructure it’s like a cult it messes with your mind man
MidNight DarkChocolate first thought in my head was “What kind of gated community cult did you live in?” I grew up in one, there’s only one guard house and a playground inside. But we still need to go outside like the supermarket or local shops and interact with the people.
This reminds me of Cyberpunk’s Megablocks where everything and everything is inside your gigantic block. You work there, eat there, live there, marry, have kids and all your life only being inside that single block. Maybe go out a couple times but that’s “The outside”. Pretty cool premise
Yeah I agree. If it’s small, like a cul-de-sac, it’s not much. But a whole block, or larger is something that feels off
The Chopsticks like a fish tank
Jim Jones Type Beat
To me ,large gated communities that offer no incentive too spend time outside are liable to become real life echo Chambers, where people become as detached as Buddha was during his childhood
I'm a delivery driver for a supermarket over here in the UK, and we have a couple of gated communities in our area. I always let my hair down and scruff up my beard whenever I see I have one of them on my route just for kicks
I respect the hustle
I didn't even know we had them in the UK!
We have gated communities here in the UK???? This is news to me
Lady Dee
I live in Surrey and Ive Seen one, the houses are huge as heck omg
@@nameslesss a gated community = nothing more than a huge sign above a neighbourhood hinting to would-be burglars that the homes within are worth the effort of breaking into
I live in a gated flat in Brazil, it's always nice to know you can sleep without fearing burglars murdering you while you sleep.
You must be rich
Wouldn’t Skillshare qualify as a gated community since admission is limited only to those with access?
LOL nice
Another downside you didn't cover, gated communities create issues to legitimate visitors.
Tradespeople, builders, gardeners, etc might be less likely to service gated communities.
Family members or friends that live outside the gates, are less likely to drop by.
Totally. The isolation of living in a gated community touches all aspects of life.
station240 true
Builders and gardeners just crank up the prices. And this also happens in cities. An electrican in london has costumer where he does not have a parking space (so he has to move is car every 60 minutes or he gets towed) and the house owner associtation does not allow him to use the elevator. What does a sane person do? Increase the hourly rate, add the parking tickets directly to the bill. Not as in cheating the costumer - the quotation already has explained that in detail. Costumer complains? No worries - let him ask the competition that has to charge pretty much the same rates.
@@sarowie exactly. And people in those communities alert security to their guests or give them a passcode. It's not that serious at all.
Where is the other downside? Wouldn't your family and friends text or phone you before coming over. You should know who is coming to your home. Maybe if you enjoy surprise visits, this would be a bummer. I may be biased though as i do not enjoy being put upon to suddenly entertain guests without knowing prior that they were coming over. Builders and tradespeople can get in just fine. Stay in contact with your servicemen and let them in if it's really a members only access. A lot of communities have a list of preferred vendors to work regularly on their properties if you live in a high end community. These aren't issues.
Correlation =/= causation The fact that people in the gated community are overly cautious doesn't prove the gated community made them that way. People who are overly cautious are more likely to move there in the first.
Most sensible comment on the thread.
No. In one of the interviews, the child, who didn't make the decision, was overly cautious!
@@Anonymous-df8it one anecdote
Rich people have always secluded themselves from the poor. It's been said that the worst part of being poor is having to live next to poor people.
That is so true. When I was poor, I bought some tools to make money fixing cars (back in the old days when car repair was fairly easy). They immediately got stolen. As time went on, I realized the reason everyone was poor was because nobody could invest in anything without it being stolen or vandalized. Even the drug dealers were ripping each other off.
@@adamzouko5884 The rich don't want to pay a lot of taxes. If the rich want to help the poor, they give to charities. No one thinks of their tax bill as a form of charitable giving.
Always funny when poor people complain about living with other poor people and high crime rates while at the same time criticizing anyone who has enough money to stay away from that. As if upon making money they wouldn't do the exact same as soon as possible.
@@DJ_Force Doesn't matter what they think of it, what matters is what it is.
@@MintyLime703 The problem is, that's not what it is. Welfare doesn't help people escape poverty, it keeps them there.
Gated Community countries:
USA
Brazil
Mexico
Nigeria
No Gated Community countries:
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
Holland
Germany
Canada
New Zealand
Weird, wonder why that is....
huh, you seem to have forgotten about over 180 countries and selected the ones that just fit your point, interesting
Your false equivalencies aren't working. Even if we wanted to take you as valid, all those countries listed have thousands of gated communities
Because non gated community countries are freedom hating socialist societies who want everyone to not have any real assets or basic civil liberties like privacy
@@blueglass1163 Nailed it. Enjoy utopia.
technically speaking, 90% of online communities are gated communities
Not UA-cam
Not UA-cam
😂
Not at all
I wish they were
I live in a "normal" (mixed race, lower middle income, not gated) community. My dad lives in a gated community with a golf course. I've never had any problems with my neighbors and never experienced any major crimes. My dad on the other hand has a know drug dealer living 2 doors down. I didn't know this and parked my car in front of his house while my dad moved around his work truck so I could park at his house. I was parked at his neighbors for maybe 5 minuets and he came out from his house and was in my face threatening me and my girlfriend getting closer and closer to me trying to provoke a fight. My dad stepped in and told him to get his "drug dealing (rear end) back in his house" the guy didn't want to fight with my dad and me and went inside. My dad has no recourse. No police to call. He can call the community security. But they have done nothing about the drug house, and my dad and his neighbors have called on that house many times. My personal experience shows that crime can exist anywhere, and when you live in a place where the police don't go because its gated, maybe the gate is providing safety for the criminal element not the other way around. I feel much much safer at home with my neighbors who are the "scary" workmen.
@1000 Subscribers With No Videos wtf do you mean by mixed isnt normal?
@@miaflores9446 Means that is not common.
1000 Subscribers With No Videos mixed is pretty normal, there’s lots of non-white people in the us
Dude you can call police, they still have jurisdiction if a crime is committed. You don’t call security for drug deals, murders or any real crimes. You call security cause somebody’s dog is barking to loud.
jacob edgy
My girlfriend lives in Canyon Lake! Having a home there really seems more like buying into a big club or something. Great place though!
Many people in gated communities still had alarms on their homes?!?!?! it's almost like you should protect your property no matter what. A gated community isn't an end all be all to the problem of crime. It's an extra layer of protection.
Gated communities are such a common sight in South Africa, but I really can't blame people for living in them.
@Mellivora Capensis or the crime.......
When a large part of the population wants to kill you for your skin colour, gated communities start to look pretty ideal I guess.
@@MrBlancify A large part of the population does not want to kill anyone for their skin colour here.
@@falsum2701 I have multiple friends who have fled South Africa because of this so yes, there is.
Erik Le Blanc Pleym on both sides, ZA is messed up
Ive lived in a gated community for the majority of my life and I can vouch for everything he says about gated communities not being secure. In my gated community we had a a big metal gate and then a unguarded sidewalk right next to it where anyone could walk in and because of how slow the gates open and closed a lot of people would just tailgate the actual residents.
Then it wasn't a proper gated community.
I live in a "gated community" like the one you describe but yea, pretty much anyone can get in....
On the other hand I know someone who lives in another where security is really tight and you are not getting in without proving you live there or have someone's invitation...
It all depends on how much money people pay for all the ammenities ….
This channel is probably heavily biased against gate communities as privatizing neighborhoods would really change cities but I can understand why people would prefer them.
I live in a gated community.
To get in, there is a “resident” lane and a “non-resident” lane. Residents have a little sensor they put on their car which opens the gate. You can only open the gate with that sensor and the gate is only open long enough for 1 car to get through.
In the non-resident lane, there is a security officer on the side 24/7. They check if the visitor has a valid drivers license. The visitor has to tell the officer what address they are going to in the community. Then, the officer calls the home the visitor wants to go to to confirm if they are expecting someone.
Burglaries and break ins do happen, but they are very very rare
@@Digital111This is what i don’t understand lol 😂
This is true.. Why i know this.. My husband parents gated community in Mexico.. Imagine being the only minority that is american. That is brown skin that is none Mexican inside the gates lol. Ignorance, curiosity etc.. I remember once we was walking at night this security guard car was driving in the back just probably watching us walk.. My husband like.. i live here like defensive but in my mind I’m like it probably me lol 😂They arent use to seeing other skin colors besides light skin, especially someone thats is none-Mexican so it’s “How did this happen ?” “Do she belong here?” Yeah someone going to sneak in and get through a guarded private community with high walls that is brown lol ignorance i tell u. Oh yes the guards change every so often so it new ignorance’s and shockness. The only brown skin people inside during the day is the workers that leave at a certain time a day.. I’m use to it lol.. People stare out if curiosity, hate, intimidation etc. You have to get use to it and have a thic skin because people are cruel and hate anyone different..
@@soupballoon1363Yep my husband gated community in Mexico
What’s funny is... My husband parents gated community in Mexico.. Imagine being the only minority that is american. That is brown skin that is none Mexican inside the gates lol. Ignorance, curiosity etc.. I remember once we was walking at night this security guard car was driving in the back just probably watching us walk.. My husband like.. i live here like defensive but in my mind I’m like it probably me lol 😂They arent use to seeing other skin colors besides light skin, especially someone thats is none-Mexican so it’s “How did this happen ?” “Do she belong here?” Yeah someone going to sneak in and get through a guarded private community with high walls that is brown lol ignorance i tell u. Oh yes the guards change every so often so it new ignorance’s and shockness. The only brown skin people inside during the day is the workers that leave at a certain time a day.. I’m use to it lol.. People stare out if curiosity, hate, intimidation etc. You have to get use to it and have a thic skin because people are cruel and hate anyone different..
I lived in a gated residential area for my my whole life and i love it here, fucking everyone here is friendly af except the manager
2019: "crime in the US has been dropping for decades"
2021:
I have a few friends here in Sacramento that live in gated communities, or gated apartment complexes. I can only think of a couple of times out of the dozens I've visited them in which I couldn't just walk right in, or follow a car in. They really don't provide extra security, just extra annoyance.
I work at a job where I have to visit HOAs and neighborhoods all the time to survey the properties and often times the gate code they provide on my paperwork doesn't open the gate. That never stops me from getting into the neighborhood though. It's easy to just follow a car or just get someone walking by to let me in.
If you have a yellow vest and a clipboard you can almost go anywhere too.
Have you ever lived in a crime infested cities, pererau? My take is a no.
Intel & Nvidia SUXXZZZ!!! sacramento has crime lmaooo it has tons of gangs just that the violence has been going down lately, but areas like oak park and meadow view still have violenc. plus not to mention the homeless people all over the city. Still not a third world country tho
Funny, I was going to comment on the last time I went back to Sacramento for the holidays. I see gated communities as a deterrent for the many homeless in the area, but a gated community will never stop a determined intruder.
pererau You’re not wrong about the extra annoyance. I lived in one before. The gate actually break pretty often. About 3-12 times a year for the place I leaved at.
Many of the stable neighborhoods in Detroit-proper have become gated, and no, they aren't enclaves of rich white people (who left the city already) they are communities of black middle class families who just want a safe place to live and raise their kids, who want to pay for their own private security patrol because the police response time in Detroit is hours, and who want to take care of their neighborhood because the city government has failed to provide basic maintenance (city had no working streetlights for decades until 2017). These gated communities were mostly formed by neighbors who organized when crime started to approach. These residents also help the rest of the city by paying property taxes. If you took away the extra security, the neighborhood would be abandoned and burned down in 5 years.
Other gated communities in Detroit have age-restricted covenants (55+) so that senior citizens who don't have a lot of money can enjoy a quiet and safe place to live, they aren't glamorous places just regular houses without stairs and doctors offices nearby.
@Provocateur in what way? I live near one of the gated communities in Detroit and can ensure that the people take pride in who they are and assist the other black people of neighboring communities
The people arguing against this are pro-crime.
Xavier P
Didn't you know? These days, not wanting to raise your kids in a s***hole is racist. ;) LOL
I left California years ago for the same reason; where I lived, if you weren't in a gated community, you were likely to have gangbangers or drug dealers on your front lawn half the time, police were completely overwhelmed, and the schools were more like prisons than actual learning institutions. And that's in areas with people of every color. It makes me sick every time I see videos like this, that act like people who want a quiet, crime-free area to live and work in are somehow the problem.
@T REX Yea sort of like doors, locks, walls on a building, roofs, etc. Basic physical security. One layer in many of a multilayered defense. Are you on the side of the Free Shit Army?
@Xavier P list these communities.
Honestly, it's a really good choice in third world countries (I'm from India). If you're a home owner especially, it removes the headaches of worrying about security for your home and regular cleaning/sweeping/trash collection in your neighborhood.
The thing is: The US can have people who have the mentality of people from third world countries. We have private neighbourhoods in the UK too, and they are designed so that life is much harder for thieves, trespassers and other crime.
People just don't understand how difficult it is to live while rich. You're target number 1 when the poor people want a way to get a quick thrill. "It doesn't matter if i destroy his car, he can afford a new one".
@@KiLLJoYUA-cam where did you get this from? Most crimes are committed by and against poor people. Idk why you framed it like rich people have it so bad
@@bruhbutwhytho2301 I can only assume they meant to make fun of the kind of people defending the rich, but failed to be obvious enough about it.
@@bruhbutwhytho2301 you're clearly one of those BLM dudes
I have lived in a gated community for 35 years. We go out of our community and shop at Walmart. My kids went to public schools. We go to church. We are not isolated behind our gates. In my 35 years I have never heard of a car stolen, or a house broken into in my community of almost 1000 houses. This is why I live in a gated community. I can walk my dog at 11pm and not worry about getting mugged.
Praise God 🌟
"not worry about getting mugged" = "not worry about having to cross paths with a poor person"
If that's what outside a gated community is like you must be really active to try to make the outside safer. Finding out why it's like that and fixing the problem. Isn't that what any good Christian would do?
Feels good to have all that while not living in a gated community. You Americans have it rough.
@@mfitzburger5137 Except in high density urban areas, people do get mugged. Nobody in the city i used to live in would take there dogs out to walk after dark because statistically crime happens at a higher rate at night. Now outside of the city in suburbia (Even poor suburbia) People could for the most part safely walk outside at night, but not in the city. I could see in some areas though gated communities might be comforting to some people for safety reasons.
Gated communities are also quite bad for walkability, acting as barriers in the urban landscape. Sure they can be walkable inside but to the wider community they further exacerbate car dependence
Not really, most gated communities are located where people aren't really walking anyway, mostly in the suburbs.
@@s.n.9485 "walkability isn't an issue because walkability isn't an issue because walkability isn't an issue"
back to your CUV
The "wider community" is not entitled to any particular outcome.
i live in one that's surrounded by other gated communities. there's walking paths between the neighborhoods but they're also blocked off by small person sized gates you need codes for
My neighborhood is partly gated and you're right about it
It took 7 minutes only to reach the nearest bus stop from my house
Type "package thief" into the search bar and you will quickly understand the appeal of gated communities.
Totally worth it...
I know what you mean. I grew up in California. If I were still living there, I wouldn't live anywhere BUT a gated community. Just because I have this thing about NOT having a drug using piece of trash shouting sexual obscenities at my kids from the section 8 house next door. Every. Day. Clearly that makes ME the bastard in this equation. LOL
Luckily, I live in a good neighborhood in a different states now, so I don't have to be in a gated community.
can’t you still be robbed though? as long as you don’t live without any other people that YOU don’t allow yes you can still be robbed.
@@4our31 Gated communities don't stop crime altogether, but if done properly, they significantly reduce it. Even this video tacitly admits to it.
Absolutely!
Lived in a gated community but full of condos. Wasn't any safer, cars still got broken into and the main gate pw was #0000 if you wanted an override.
*puts on ski mask* where exactly was this gated community?
Looks like the tvs are broken and the gold plated chairs too mind if i borrow them for a little inspection
Time to find this place and change the gate passwords :troll:
A better question: are unsafe streets, vandalism, theft, rape, murder, mugging and unchecked vagrancy bad for cities?
That seems very much like a shitty city problem, you don't have crime problems if your city is well designed
@@Suuhls A "shitty" problem it is, no argument there (particularly if you live in San Francisco). You also won't have crime problems if you don't have unchecked criminals at large. But, I'm curious to know how a well-designed city would prevent this.
@@MrRezillo The better the social programs are, the lower the difference between income groups is and the less need for survival based crime is, the less the crime rates are from a social aspect. Basically, don't have poor people, give them money and job opportunities and prevent rich people from shutting themselfs off, that leads to richer neighborhoods because these people have an interest in a better standard of living
Second, from a city planning perspektive, have less cars and more public transport, crime rates in pretty open neighborhoods are significantly lower as in shitty suburbs. People in cars won't stop a crime, but 20 people around you in a walkable neighborhood will, I mean, that is nothing new, many European Cities are exactly that, we have the lower crime rates in the world, there is a reason why the top 50 safest cities have 0 from the US and like 4 from Germany and like 3 from the Netherlands in the Top 100 despite also being people of millions of people.
The less economic disparity you have, the less crime you have, don't kick out poor people, give them jobs and security so they don't need crime. Crime is nearly always a thing people do to satisfy a demand problem, it is the answer to a supply issue.
that crime is largely caused by income and social inequıalities, which gated communities significantly provoke. providing safety nets, public care and mental assistance to the poorest and the vulnerable is the number one thing you have to do to curb crime. but this all requires funding which, as is pointed out in the video, is very unlikely to be voted in by people living in gated communities, or faux gated suburbia. the "us vs them" mentality that this divide creates only accelerates the issues.
@@bubberlad In the U.S., during the Great Depression in the 1930's, there was extreme widespread poverty. Shanty towns calles "Hoovervilles" sprung up everywhere. People had trouble getting enough to eat. Yet, the crime statistics remained low: few burglaries, muggings, assaults, etc. The poor in that era were much poorer than the poor are today.
Back to U.S. history. When the country entered WW II, it suddenly went from massive unemployment to an urgent need for workers, in defense plants, shipyards and elsewhere. Anyone who wanted a job could have one. And, yet there were still some people who chose to remain in poverty and live in shacks when they had alternatives. No simple explanations.
To think that all crime is the result of poverty is simplistic. Certainly poverty is a factor in crime, but only one and probably not the most important one. Cultural factors play a larger roll.
My cousins live in a gated community, and every time we go in I feel like I’m being watched 24/7.
I feel the same every time I visit the city, it's so different from the town I live in (not gated by the way)
Don't.
We are
Because we are!
@Chris Christian ouch
In New Delhi and most other major cities in India, literally everyone who is from a middle income and above background lives in a gated community.
They are called apartments. American type gated communities with villa type of houses exist in Gurgaon or outskirts of cities like Delhi bec. land availability is not as high as in vast countries like America.
@@commanderofkesariyaknights you username 😂
My grandparents lived in the Villages, Florida, a city of many gated communities comprised of mostly old people. Every time I visited, there was sense of uneasyness, like something was eerily wrong with the place. Gated communities are just creepy to me.
I (European/German) have never heard of 'private communities' or even 'gated communities'. I think I can feel what people find appealing about these but I also feel like they divide society on a whole new level which doesn't sound good.
It's always crazy to find out that such things are normal in a culture that is in many ways quite similar to mine!
Es gibt auch die einen oder anderen gated communities in Deutschland...
I live in a gated community and I’m really surprised by the amount of negativity and bias in the comments,sure it costs a bit extra but people are more close,it’s more peaceful and relaxed way of life and there’s no crime.
What about the People outside?
Jasc Random what about them?
@@malacki6554 Usually "close communities" tend to have more contempt for those from the outside. So how do people in your community view or consider the people living right out side?
Jasc Random In my community we have good relations with the outside,we have a small shopping centre and farmers market and many people from the outside come and go so it’s alright
Live in one and not a fan.
If people want to live in gated communities, that's fine. But they are nowhere near as prevalent as the comments on this video make it seem. The vast, vast majority of America does not live in gated suburbs.
And the idiots wonder why those few who do live in one want to. Maybe because the urban core is filled with crime because no one in the city is properly raising there children.
LuckyLag Returns If you live in the suburbs you don’t need to live in a gated community. The urban core is far enough away to be safe from the crime.
But non gated suburbs aren't that different because many of them were built to live socially excluded and segregated
Mostly envy
This is true, what is (or was, since the practice is now illegal) more common was “redlining”, where banks and real estate developers would designate districts of towns and cities that they would consider “unsafe” (read: black), and would not develop or offer mortgages in, and discourage whites from moving there. You can still see the consequences of the today, where in many areas there will be well-off, majority whites areas and poor minority areas within walking distance, with the only thing separating them being a main road or highway.
I'll be honest, if I lived in Los Angeles, I'd want to live in a gated community too.
Bel Air is the only one I know of.
Most rich aren’t gated there.
Same.
The downsides on this video were a stretch.
Is it really a "GATED COMMUNITY "
OR
A Self-Funded Mental Asylum
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From the perspective of a European, these kinds of communities immediately signal a high inequality in society, like in certain developing countries in Latin-America. I've traveled many Central and Western European countries, and though we also have richer neighbourhoods, I've never seen them physically closed to the outside like this. This physical manifestation in such communities is quite unsettling, like people willingly embracing a overtly stratified class society. I thought Americans always valued the American dream where everyone can be part of the middle class, and the idea that everyone should get an equal shot in life...
How are these types of communities compatible with such values?
they're not.
Don't worry. Soon when we're truly multicultural, we will build gated communities too and we'll probably even have to flee our homes.
@@Roel93 I do not understand your comment
@@Azknowledgethirsty Europe is in the middle of replacing its native poulation with low IQ people to pay for pensions, to do the monotone production/logistics jobs and to cut spending on welfare for children by not encouraging reproduction. (And no, this isn't fearmongering. These are publicly stated facts by the UN.)
Soon we'll be minorities in our own countries. We'll be forced into safe communities for native Europeans only while the rest of our land gets trashed by dozens of different cultures that can't form a cohesive whole whatsoever.
@@Roel93 what? Minorities? We don't care about race! We care about culture and it seems that they're are perpetuating ours quite well in fact they are more European than many of them as they tend to be more federalist, in France after one generation only 33% of Muslim background people still practice it, secularism one of the most important European values is more supported by immigrants than by some natives (Poland for example) and they learn more than the native population régional languages like catalán or alsacien
You are care about race and are a racist, we have no problems here with that, the problem you have with a western civilization is stupid as they should incorporate into the American culture much faster, if they aren't then it's you who don't do a great job.
I live in a gated community and it’s great. It feels awesome when you arrive home.
Lame
@Jade Kilgallon probably. I live in the suburbs and it's not expensive and I've never had a single problem, mostly because I mind my own business and am not bothered by the presence of others.
@Nutrition Facts that's really sad and I'm sorry to hear that. I guess it reallg just depends on where the suburbs in question are. Some are fine and others are not.
Nice man
@Jade Kilgallon And then (sorry I cannot help this) you have, across the Atlantic, people like me, that live in a housing area for poor people, but have left their door unlocked for years on end with nobody stealing my shit.
Ah, its good to not like in your part of the world. You are still less safe despite being behind a gate
Seeing Pawnee, Indiana’s (actually Pasadena’s City Hall) City Hall at 7:17 was a nice touch.
😂 that's fantastic
They’re somewhat common in Buenos Aires, Argentina, mainly because of the level of crime and the lack of green spaces in the city
Perhaps places like that have more social inequity.
You're just not diverse enough 👱♀️
I’ve only ever lived in “that” part of town. The part of town that when you tell people where you live, they visibly cringe and sometimes ask how I’m alive. Short answer is that it’s cheap. I’ve seen a lot of things, and heard a lot of things. If I had the money to live in a gated community, I 100% would and it has nothing to do with prestige or lifestyle.
honestly normal neighborhoods are safe enough, just have a dog or a gun to deal with the few burglaries or something.
Burglaries are generally rare and basically never happen when you're home. If you buy a gun you're way more likely to kill yourself in a sad moment than use it for protection.
As a Brazilian I can't agree more. This video looks more like a complain about someone that has more than you than anything else to me.
@@moraesclaudinho Brazilian gated communities are way different from American gated communities. I'd live in a gated community if I lived in Brazil and could afford it. Here, it's all just scared old white people. My Great Grandmother lives in a gated community in suburban Ohio and it doesn't make any sense. Her town is so nice, you could walk down the street loudly counting $100 bills and nobody would bother you (unless you're black). Try doing that on the streets of São Paulo. No shade intended, eu gosto muito do Brasil mas é diferente da América.
@@tim..indeed and who's to say you won't just intentionally crash your car in a "sad moment". You don't just up and kill yourself because you had a bad day. It's continued depression that builds and builds. If you are genuinely scared about hurting yourself then by all means remove weapons from your house and seek treatment, but don't act like owning a gun is going to cause your to kill yourself
Gated communities mostly exist in countries that have huge problems with poverty and crime. Guess it makes sense they are so popular in the US.
Crime rate has been decreasing over the last few decades. There’s a perceived massive crime rate but it’s not as bad as people think.
Quiet, poor.
@@alexmoore9580 I think the point was that Americans have a "huge problem" with the poor and the idea of crime. One of those has been steadily on the rise, especially because of the sentiment these communities proliferate.
If you think that. You've never been to america. Not every city in america is like Detroit my guy lol
Well actually crime rates are even lower in China, and the government, from local to above are known for doing a pretty decent job in upkeeping public infrastructure like roads, transit, pipelines, etc. Yet gated communities are pretty much standard practice there. I swear I never saw a single community, whether that's an apartment complex, a condo/co-op complex or suburban houses complex, having lived there 18 years. You always need to access from 'main gate'.
"Not the cities job to maintain roads" LMAO like they would do it anyways
Exactly.
I think the biggest pain in the ass with gated communities is that you need to walk around them. When I used to visit a friend who lived in an area with quite a few of those thing I eventually learned the code to 3 and was able to take shortcuts.
I really appreciate it when you analyze the sociological elements of urban development! We are not building a nation for numbers, but people, and I think one of the most important elements to consider when designing a city is how it will psychologically effect the population in practice. Good on you for the deep dive!
gated communities were mainly built to combat the busing of the underclasses into middle class neighborhoods
I saw another comment mentioning the gated communities in South Africa. I lived in one and I actually found that it helped build a sense of community because you weren't scared of your neighbors. A lot of suburban homes in South Africa have big walls for protection against crime, so driving along in suburbs can be a bit bland because its mostly just the street lined with walls and fences with trees poking out above them. In that situation, a gated community is still people hiding from the big, scary outside world, but they're doing it communally. At least it feels a bit more social and friendly.
I am curious at how diverse gated communities are in South Africa, and what is the skin color and wealth makeup of them.
As someone whose lived in a crappy British suburb my whole life the concept of a gated community is baffling
According to that google maps trick, Germany is one giant CIC...
I've really enjoyed video. But I would like to ad one point. From my experience ( I live in poland) gated communities inside the cities are hudge problem for all pedestrians and cyclists. In gated areas it is quite common that you can't make a shortcut through the yard. That may be not a problem when you have one gated community but if you have like 10 in your neighbourhood it can lenghten your path to the nearby post office or shop even twice. I also think that walking next to the fence or brick wall is less plaesureble experience than walking surounded by facades or grenery. My last point is that as a kid in my neighbourhood it was quite common to visit nearby residental areas that were equiped with football pitch or playground. There together with my friends we've could play with ourselves or other children. With gated communities there is less ability for such interactions. To sum up gated communities in my country are bad for pedestrians. I think that they encourage more people to go by car. They are also really bad for social interactions.
Yeah, I think he brought up the mildly valid points against them of "oh no, it's an echo chamber" and "it's not actually safe", but I think more pertinent is just the fact of the gate and walls themselves. A gated community on the edge of town is mostly fine, ja, but then what's the point of the gate? If you're on the edge of town, you're away from people. One in the middle of town, however, is going to be cutting off any through routes for any kind of traffic. It's basically a big tumor of rich people in the middle of the city that can't be integrated. Not to mention how they often retain the same problems normal cities do in layout and planning, wasting more. I'm actually fine with the idea of a CIC, it essentially allows someone to live within a new municipality, but when you can't move through one municipality to the other, or even just across one to the other, it creates problems. Most countries, even, allow you to simply move past them with a slip of paper, you can't do that with a gated community. In that way, they actually are similar to countries like north korea. So, basically, they suck.
Good points. I watched some video on youtube highlighting these concerns you mentioned. Also residents are forced to take a longer route as they have to pass through the gates in stead of going the shortest distance to places outside the community. It really is not a good solution for society. If crime and safety are issues it's better to address those problems so everybody can be safe.
...nearly all private homes have literal fences around them with a guard dog in Poland...fencing yourself off is ingrained in the very social fabric of Poland...you seem confused...
@@puzer1 Fences around houses and gated communities are two different things. Fences around houses don't prevent you from using roads or sidewalks that are next to the houses, while gated communities do, because the whole community of houses - along with the roads, sidewalks, paths - is gated off from non-residents.
@@xxnario7286 you clearly missed my point...in the US private homes for the most part have no fences even inside private communities...it's silly to complain about private communities when you live in a society where walling yourself off individually is the norm...
I’m in a gated community in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico has a lot of crime problems so upper middle class people live here.
I used to live in a gated community in Bayamón, we got multiple robbery incidents (a few even in broad daylight) throughout the neighborhood and we suspect that it was most likely shady neighbors who did it. Outside of the San Juan metro area and perhaps Ponce, I don't feel they're necessary or effective for the purpose of deterring crime.
en que parte ?
Lucario Boricua yo soy del campo en aguada
@@LucarioBoricua You know the Metro Area isn't the only urban area in Puerto Rico. Do you think Ponce, Mayagüez and even Humacao are rural towns?
Yo vivo en Humacao en Palmas Del Mar
Gated communities can be great for all rich and poor. If you have a city of a million people it is difficult to control crime. But if you split the city of a million into a thousand gated communities with a thousand each, you have a thousand small villages where crime is far easier to deal with.
If someone within the gated community steals your lawn ornament (the video's example) and there are only a thousand people in the community you start with a thousand suspects. It was probably a guy so now we are down to 500. It was probably someone from the high crime years, now we have about 150 suspects. It was probably a young man from the group that has the worst record. Now we are down to 15 suspects. The police can actually talk to most, perhaps all of the 15. If we were in a community of a million, that would not be 15, it would be 15,000.
Gated communities allow us to combine the advantages of a city with the advantage of a small village.
Gated communities can reduce urban sprawl and protect the environment. Instead of protecting yourself by putting miles of agricultural fields between you and the underclass you can use a tall wall. A tall wall works as artificial distance.
Gated communities can bring diverse people together. Instead of people living in distant suburbs and exurbs, they can live closer together. This means diverse people can meet each other in person without traveling long distances.
Furthermore, because gated communities can make it easier to control crime within their walls there are more police to control crime outside the walls.
Finally, gated communities can allow the rich to live in the same cities and the poor and pay taxes that will support the poor. Without gated communities, they will disperse into suburbs and exurbs where they will not pay taxes that help the city.
That's the problem - There's little evidence to suggest that gated communities do anything to reduce crime as a whole.
"Risk of crime in gated communities" by Taylor & Francis (2013) finds that while it's true burglaries are reduced, the rates of most other crimes remain unchanged. Some crimes, such as violent assaults and domestic abuse, surprisingly increase in rate within gated communities.
The idea that if someone commits a crime in a community must mean it _has_ to be someone from that community is flawed as well. None of these communities are impossible to get in to. Any average adult can climb the fences or walls.
Your suggestion that there's more police to control crime outside the walls doesn't work either. According to my previously cited source, it's believed that the reduction in burglaries are actually pushed to homes outside of the communities. Overall, the amount of burglaries that happen doesn't go down, they're just less likely to target your house. This means the amount of police needed remains the same.
In Mexico it totally makes sense. I don’t think I’d go back to not living in a gated community, or at least not in this country. We can leave the bikes outside and unlocked, walk on the community park at 10:00 pm with the children without any fear, leave the car unlocked, etc. The neighbors on our street are extremely friendly and trusting. It’s the first time in my life that I know some of my neighbor’s names! A completely different world compared to living outside. I love it.
De que parte de México eres?
Most don't talk to their neighbors at all in the states. Doesn't matter the type of housing. But I did fine it easier to make friends in apartment complexes than gated or single family housing communities when I was a kid.
Well yeah but Mexico is very classism lol 😂but u also are 100% mexican lol.
Why i know this.. My husband parents gated community in Mexico.. Imagine being the only minority that is american. That is brown skin that is none Mexican inside the gates lol. Ignorance, curiosity etc.. I remember once we was walking at night this security guard car was driving in the back just probably watching us walk.. My husband like.. i live here like defensive but in my mind I’m like it probably me lol 😂They arent use to seeing other skin colors besides light skin, especially someone thats is none-Mexican so it’s “How did this happen ?” “Do she belong here?” Yeah someone going to sneak in and get through a guarded private community with high walls that is brown lol ignorance i tell u. Oh yes the guards change every so often so it new ignorance’s and shockness. The only brown skin people inside during the day is the workers that leave at a certain time a day.. I’m use to it lol.. People stare out if curiosity, hate, intimidation etc. You have to get use to it and have a thic skin because people are cruel and hate anyone different..
Funny that you specifically show Alphaville (a gated community in Barueri, São Paulo metro) give an example of a gated community inspired by fear of crime. Here in Brazil, they are veeeeeery common. There are even many ones devoted specifically to the lower middle class, which have very small houses and are located in the farthest edges of the city; but, hey!, people there feel safe as hell.
There are many types of gated communities, I live in a small gated community and it is great, the one I live in has 22 properties, 2 gate entries, a central park where it has a children playground, picnic ground, play field, public toilets...so nothing really over the top compared to the elitist gated communities. Everyone knows everyone and the residents are generally middle class of mixed professions...every household is family focused and orientated, so it has a positive family vibe to the area.
Is it in texas?
No one stealing your packages from your front porch is a plus.
@@samuelthestranger12 Australia
@@solflare101 well yeah, well we don't have hardcore security where I live just 2 Electronic gates, Entry is just a swipecard or pin entry no security person, 8 foot concrete fence. The Richer gated communities not far from me have 3 double gate entries, 3 security guards 24/7, 10 foot fence, cameras and sensors everywhere...that there is overkill, but I can understand some places in this world that may need such security.
Here in Brazil it's a need to live like this. Mine is small too. We have 106 properties, playgrounds, pools, parks, a soccer field, and security by guards, electric fences and cameras. At least I feel safe when I am at home because outside things are not so good. I really want to visit Australia one day. Whenever I travel abroad it's so nice to feel safe out in the city, being able to use my phone, camera in public streets or parks, it's sad I can't feel like this here in Brazil.
What's the problem with likeminded people creating a micro community to live together with each other? As a libertarian I see no problem with this.
You will see everyone else as outsiders of your way of thinking
@@XevenYT143 Everyone dont have to think alike. I dont want to pish my beleifs apon others. But that seems like exactly the thing people who critizise these communities want to do.
Safety. I live in Africa and our gated community has armed guards and a high voltage electric fence around it. Also respect. In America, I lost track of number of times I was harassed by police. Here, the guards treat me with dignity.
Cities are full of shared communities that dont interact with others, their just taller and closer to everything else. Try entering the courtyard, parking and pools in some city highrises
cities can be made to have shared communities which interact with each other, but it would require a different ethos of making cities structure, aswell a change in culture so people who live in gated communities, destroy theirs, and interact with people of different backgrounds and economic classes.
Where I live living behind fence is like putting a target on your back - that means you *do* have something worth stealing
Facts
i take it there's not many people with guns where you live
@@OnTreader Guns didnt stop crime in America, that much is for sure.
Which is why they make gated communities.
@@OnTreader guns don't defend your home when you're away at work.
In Washington there’s like 10 gated communities in a single backwoods town and it’s just a gate, no fence, no security, just a camera and a number pad and some openers for your car, it’s a big flex max I also think people like the community aspect, everyone tends to know each other very well
Pretty much all of them.
You could get into our community real easy.
Point is to keep unnecessary traffic out.
@@og-greenmachine8623 yeah like tourists or people looking for turnarounds, or just random people being nosy
I lived in a gated community in a rural area of Ohio, Hideaway Hills. It is much different from any of the communities described in this video. There is a mix of tiny cabins that cost very little up to a handful of multimillion dollar homes. Yes, there is small golf course. There are also horse stables, a shooting range, a place to keep very small planes and a grass airstrip for landing small planes. The very low middle class live happily with retired wealthy folks. A third of the homes are owned for vacationing.
The security provided is obviously a plus. But for any poor people out there, think about when you needed snow plowed from your streets by the city and it just wouldn’t get done and there was no one to call. In these communities, everything that the government is supposed to do and doesn’t or takes forever to do gets done IMMEDIATELY. You can literally call the guard shack or maintenance and say, hey I have to go to work can you swing by and plow my street; they’re there in MINUTES. Another aspect of a rural gated community is hunting. Unfortunately, people will hunt on private property knowing it’s illegal. The likelihood of people hunting in a gated community is almost nonexistent. Add to that the convenience of the various amenities, I forgot to mention the small lake and boat dock as well. The cost of docking a boat, paying to golf, paying for a shooting range, all of those things, would be so much more expensive than the association fees at most gated communities. I also cannot stress enough how bad too many local governments are when it comes to construction, fixing roads, plowing snow, etc. Just because they’re supposed to do these things doesn’t mean they do.
Do people walk more where you lived or did they still drive? Cause i feel like if they still drived for everythingit would be bad still
Gated communities are great because of the security, but when they rot, they rot completely and is hard to give them life again. Neighborhoods change and have diferent lives through the years.
Most neighborhoods in China are gated but they are only to manage the parking. You can walk in and out freely, just cars need to get a parking pass or ticket before entering.
that doesn't sound like a gated community, just an area or building with resident-only parking. i don't think that has the same problem.
@@harktischris It looks like one though, there are fences (you cannot see them because of the trees) and guards at the entrances, and little red and white bars at the guardhouses. Although, in some neighborhoods, a shopping centre about 2-3 floors high replaces a fence. It still sounds like the one described in the video.
I have seen this in Shanghai recently and I must say I liked it. It provides labor to many people too which is great.
You mean the appartment block has its own security? Not really seen entire neighourhoods like that, just flat blocks.
I've only visited around Guangzhou, Shenzen and Hong Kong though, different parts of China may be very different.
@ Yeah, there will be 保安 (Baoan) stationed at the gates in smaller neighborhoods, in bigger ones there is a dedicated force that patrols the inside to check for parking violations. They are like police-lite. Maybe I have confused "neighborhood" with "the collection of apartment buildings under a single name".
I noticed Shenzhen does not have as many of these styles neighborhoods. They are more common in midEast/north China.
You can use street view to enter gated communities. Maybe not all of them. I can street view through mine without any problems.
The biggest reason for gated community IMO is to keep out unknown randos from walking the neighborhood i.e safety and it reduces foot and driving traffic as well as keeping the lawns and housing and communal areas looking good.
The worst part is the HOA fees and the usual wasted funds.
i remember as a kid seeing that in the cities in baja california the middle and upper class families would have walls around their individual properties, like small compounds. but this is another level.