Fantastic stuff! I see a Brazilian Satellite from Embratel show up (Star One)! That's where I'm from. Anyway, this is really fascinating, as much as we're all used to regular fiber connection and even plain old DSL/copper/whatever else there's something magical about radio telecom / wireless, especially when it goes to space!! Keep up the good work!
Wow. You always seem to blow my mind with these videos. I really like how you show up close and explain the equipment too. Heck even the commercials are in the right spot so they don’t interrupt what’s going on! 😎
I just hope that maybe somewhere in Argentina there's a technician monitoring a control console scratching his head wondering why suddenly there's a faint signal coming through the data stream...
Curious if you changed the codec to a lower bitrate if the audio would be smoother. I know it's going 90,000 miles so there is some data loss. You should try the infinite loop where you make a sound and it goes out and back and is picked up again and goes out over and over. Did the same thing with two repeating toys and the audio got noisier as it went through each of them.
This is a great video! I love the ingenuity! It reminds me of the movie Sneakers when he makes the call to the NSA. Is it possible for you to review that scene and show how accurate it is? That would be awesome!
That is, like, 2-3 seconds? I'm impressed, all things considered. The voice quality is quite bad again though. Did you set both to be using the lower bit-rate codecs? Edit: I'm not sure what transport you are using exactly, but if you're going with the standard RTP over UDP over IP than expect up to 16kbps overhead form that!
@@peterfairlie2296 we se you change the codec on the modem for the norsat antenna, but did you change it on the other one? If not the test seems a bit flawed.
If you plugged in both phones, using low rate codecs, to the same modem, would that also be double hop ? Would the modem or sat be smart enough to bridge the call internally without using the PSTN ?
I would LOVE a video where you explain exactly what is this equipment and how we can replicate this type of setup. Also i have a question for you: to connect to these satellite and use the phone you need some type of subscription? Thanks!
I live in Argentina it blew my mind , I know we have those shitty satelites but never thought I would see someone using it like this , freaking awesome brother
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How do you even have one of these items.. not mentioning it's actually three and functional? :D Jokes aside, thanks for sharing! This is one of those devices I would never have the chance to see in action up close.
They are digital so the quality theoretically would not be worse than a standard call. But he's using a protocol called udp, which means the data will be sent without any further checks (as opposed to tcp which would let the other end confirm the data has been received correctly and resend packets if neccessary). But in this case the available bandwith is very low and the call is using basically all of said bandwith, which basically means sometimes a few bytes "don't fit through the pipe" and get tossed away. That's why the call is so choppy. This could be improved as stated in the video. This is a 32kbit/s connection or 0,032Mbit/s ;)
So iv been watching your videos recently about your phone calls and just had a few questions. You mentioned this has ethernet connection, does that connect you to the regular world wide web, or is it just a local internet hoested on that server now? And if it does connect to the world wide web is it limited to just the satellites field of view or do all these satellites connect to and talk to each other so information can be spread further? I find this stuff so fascinating.
@peterfairlie2296 ok that makes sense, so how would you get more bandwidth then? And how do you know the phone numbers of these machines? Do they come with the numbers programed in the hardware or do you set your own phone numbers from that website you where using, or is it a service provider that gave you those number designations? Also one last question is can the satellite company track you using there signal/service and can they block you from using it in anyway?
@peterfairlie2296 Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. This now connected the last few pieces of info my brain was missing to comprehend all of this lol
It’s pretty cool to see the retro tech…. How do you have access to the sound lights… Are these some kind of testing service connections or are you a paying customer of a service? Are they open like ham repeaters?
Is this free? Do you have to set up some sort of subscriber account and/or pay for bandwidth on whatever satellite you're connecting through? Equipment aside, how does the use of different satellites work for the uninitiated?
@@peterfairlie2296I wonder who wants to be on that voice call? Cue in some cheesy elevator music while we wait in between each other’s reply on the conversation. 😅
How cool is that - when the dish is starting to move I know I want to try that too. Mate can you give me a tutorial how to start - what hardware I need? I want that too. You infected me.
Getting faxing to work over satellite is brutally annoying. Faxing is fairly tolerant of delay, it is not tolerant of jitter (Jitter is quick changes in the delay). Those newertec modems have significant jitter issues. I once had solid faxing working over satellite, but I was using comtech modems in SCPC mode, and had equipment that actually demodulated the analog fax signal at both ends, and sent the digital stream over the network (known as T.38 faxing). It took a lot of work and delicate adjustments to get it working reliably. Thankfully faxing is a dying art.
I guess Starlink really killed the last of these. 1/10 the weight, 1/10th the power, 1/100th the cost. Why are these terminals still active? I want to see if you could bond two or more Starlink dishes. Like with a peplink bonding type of thing. Or if two terminals were close enough would they start to cancel each other out enough to cause dropped packets. Starlink uses a bunch of sats side by side at their ground stations but I don’t know if they’re phased arrays. They’re all under domes so I assume they’re active tracking each bird as it flies overhead. You’d need a very powerful and large phased array to get to the power they’d need. And to defeat heavy rain. I wonder if they’ve done any terminal to user terminal tests yet where it didn’t go through any ground station. Just jumped from sat to sat until it found the other person.
Supposedly they’re working on getting Starlink direct to iPhones with T-Mobile. Phone calls. That will be impressive. Using the internal antenna only. Dealing with the Doppler shifts. Seems like everyone has forgot their iPhone 14 now talks to sats just for text messages and tiny bits of location data.
@@peterfairlie2296 it would also be cool if you use one of those at your house and one in the middle of nowhere then connect back to your house and get some faster speeds
News organizations rarely used this kind of thing, they usually used higher bandwidth so they could send live broadcast quality video in real time. The advantage of doing it over DVB-S or DVB-S2 (in the modern era) is that they could do one feed, and then pull it down at many sites around the states. When I built and supported these things, I knew one guy who had his antenna setup down at that Chilean mine rescue some 10 years ago. He had the only dish there, and was feeding out live video to Fox, CNN, CNBC, Japanese networks, and a variety of others, and they were all picking it up live, and all paying him. You can't do that with an IP based system like StarLink. The two systems fill different needs, and are complimentary to each other.
If you canq do this satlite phone call by hacking satlite phone I request you to make a video about hacking/pirating a vsat satellite to access a free internet. If such thing is possible. And i mean not starlink satellite (Starlink's satellites are in LEO, low Earth orbit while traditional VSAT satellites are in geostationary orbit GEO)just another old vsat satellite by government or other organisations that is specifically designed to give free internet access. Pirating/hacking satellite with $300 worth of tv gear is possible right.
@@peterfairlie2296 lol. Bravo.😂😂😂😂how the hell i dint notice that or forgot that. I dint got it and ended asking questions about it. 👍👍👍👍 You are too good. I can't stop smiling.
working on my self build uplink for ham radio geostationary sat QO100 with up to 20W linear amp (SSB audio) and my biggest prime docus dish is 1600mm @ 2,4GHz Up 📡
20 years ago, I saw a C-band dish just across the street from a TV network. Talk about the long way round! This reminds me of that.
You are absolutely incredible! I have never seen someone do something so complicated ☺️
Fantastic stuff! I see a Brazilian Satellite from Embratel show up (Star One)! That's where I'm from. Anyway, this is really fascinating, as much as we're all used to regular fiber connection and even plain old DSL/copper/whatever else there's something magical about radio telecom / wireless, especially when it goes to space!! Keep up the good work!
Cheers from Benavidez, Argentina. Arsat control center.
Wow. You always seem to blow my mind with these videos. I really like how you show up close and explain the equipment too. Heck even the commercials are in the right spot so they don’t interrupt what’s going on! 😎
I just hope that maybe somewhere in Argentina there's a technician monitoring a control console scratching his head wondering why suddenly there's a faint signal coming through the data stream...
Peter is the real Macgyver 🤣
As a Vsat installer: this is fun, i also do this with iridium freqently
Curious if you changed the codec to a lower bitrate if the audio would be smoother. I know it's going 90,000 miles so there is some data loss. You should try the infinite loop where you make a sound and it goes out and back and is picked up again and goes out over and over. Did the same thing with two repeating toys and the audio got noisier as it went through each of them.
He guaranteed forgot to change the codec on the military style antennas ip-modem.
Lessgooo, this kinda content is unbelievable 😭😭😭, don't stop I beg
Brings back memories of tandem stacking
This is a great video! I love the ingenuity! It reminds me of the movie Sneakers when he makes the call to the NSA. Is it possible for you to review that scene and show how accurate it is? That would be awesome!
That is, like, 2-3 seconds? I'm impressed, all things considered. The voice quality is quite bad again though. Did you set both to be using the lower bit-rate codecs?
Edit: I'm not sure what transport you are using exactly, but if you're going with the standard RTP over UDP over IP than expect up to 16kbps overhead form that!
@@peterfairlie2296 we se you change the codec on the modem for the norsat antenna, but did you change it on the other one? If not the test seems a bit flawed.
Bro these are the most fascinating vids ever
If you plugged in both phones, using low rate codecs, to the same modem, would that also be double hop ? Would the modem or sat be smart enough to bridge the call internally without using the PSTN ?
I would LOVE a video where you explain exactly what is this equipment and how we can replicate this type of setup. Also i have a question for you: to connect to these satellite and use the phone you need some type of subscription? Thanks!
Just curious if you had to pay for subscriptions or they just worked out of box?
awesome, I wish you had brought the two phones closer together and created an infinite echo through space, haha
@@peterfairlie2296 if you made a sound for more than 2 seconds would that not work?
I live in Argentina it blew my mind , I know we have those shitty satelites but never thought I would see someone using it like this , freaking awesome brother
How do you even have one of these items.. not mentioning it's actually three and functional? :D Jokes aside, thanks for sharing! This is one of those devices I would never have the chance to see in action up close.
It's good knowing those satellites are up there and will remain there in SHTF scenarios.
Not only in shtf situations, Vsat is still being used every day where a landline for internet is not available
Love your satcom stuff. The quality of the calls seems to be kinda pants, but it's still really cool doing this.
They are digital so the quality theoretically would not be worse than a standard call. But he's using a protocol called udp, which means the data will be sent without any further checks (as opposed to tcp which would let the other end confirm the data has been received correctly and resend packets if neccessary). But in this case the available bandwith is very low and the call is using basically all of said bandwith, which basically means sometimes a few bytes "don't fit through the pipe" and get tossed away. That's why the call is so choppy. This could be improved as stated in the video. This is a 32kbit/s connection or 0,032Mbit/s ;)
This guy be dropping heat yo.......I'm paying attention.
A fun time making a truly long distance telephone call😂
Bro's going to contact the aliens first rather than the government 💀💀💀
Trying to get ET to return to earth to make a sequel because Hollywood has long run out of original movie storyline plots to use.
So iv been watching your videos recently about your phone calls and just had a few questions. You mentioned this has ethernet connection, does that connect you to the regular world wide web, or is it just a local internet hoested on that server now? And if it does connect to the world wide web is it limited to just the satellites field of view or do all these satellites connect to and talk to each other so information can be spread further? I find this stuff so fascinating.
@peterfairlie2296 ok that makes sense, so how would you get more bandwidth then? And how do you know the phone numbers of these machines? Do they come with the numbers programed in the hardware or do you set your own phone numbers from that website you where using, or is it a service provider that gave you those number designations? Also one last question is can the satellite company track you using there signal/service and can they block you from using it in anyway?
@@peterfairlie2296 So how are you able to get the bandwidth for free?
@peterfairlie2296 Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. This now connected the last few pieces of info my brain was missing to comprehend all of this lol
@@peterfairlie2296 Could those old modems already do the 25Mbit/s?
It’s pretty cool to see the retro tech…. How do you have access to the sound lights… Are these some kind of testing service connections or are you a paying customer of a service? Are they open like ham repeaters?
See if you can change the VoIP audio codec…, G.722.2 is 16kb
this was really impressive.
Lava LIfe lolol. I remember see the ads for that when I was in Middle School, just over 20 years ago.
Is this free? Do you have to set up some sort of subscriber account and/or pay for bandwidth on whatever satellite you're connecting through? Equipment aside, how does the use of different satellites work for the uninitiated?
It was definitely not free for us AR taxpayers who paid for the shitty sat 😆😆
You should try dialing the talking clock at the NRC in Ottawa.
8:27 - Most antennas used for consumer satellite TV are like that: offset antennas.
the ping on this case is 2500
I wonder whats the ping to the Voyager 1 if its still accessible now
@@peterfairlie2296I wonder who wants to be on that voice call? Cue in some cheesy elevator music while we wait in between each other’s reply on the conversation. 😅
How cool is that - when the dish is starting to move I know I want to try that too.
Mate can you give me a tutorial how to start - what hardware I need? I want that too. You infected me.
Warp speed phone call! Now we know!
how much does it cost for bandwidth on those satellites?
When do we play on the Ku band .. got a newtec modem , and a vsat setup , i have LOS between 18w to 100w..
What are you doing today, Peter? 😂😂
Hi from egypt...
Can you get 2 fax machine and send something between them
In the same way
Getting faxing to work over satellite is brutally annoying. Faxing is fairly tolerant of delay, it is not tolerant of jitter (Jitter is quick changes in the delay). Those newertec modems have significant jitter issues. I once had solid faxing working over satellite, but I was using comtech modems in SCPC mode, and had equipment that actually demodulated the analog fax signal at both ends, and sent the digital stream over the network (known as T.38 faxing). It took a lot of work and delicate adjustments to get it working reliably. Thankfully faxing is a dying art.
Super cool!
Very nice Experiment
I guess Starlink really killed the last of these. 1/10 the weight, 1/10th the power, 1/100th the cost. Why are these terminals still active? I want to see if you could bond two or more Starlink dishes. Like with a peplink bonding type of thing. Or if two terminals were close enough would they start to cancel each other out enough to cause dropped packets.
Starlink uses a bunch of sats side by side at their ground stations but I don’t know if they’re phased arrays. They’re all under domes so I assume they’re active tracking each bird as it flies overhead. You’d need a very powerful and large phased array to get to the power they’d need. And to defeat heavy rain. I wonder if they’ve done any terminal to user terminal tests yet where it didn’t go through any ground station. Just jumped from sat to sat until it found the other person.
Supposedly they’re working on getting Starlink direct to iPhones with T-Mobile. Phone calls. That will be impressive. Using the internal antenna only. Dealing with the Doppler shifts. Seems like everyone has forgot their iPhone 14 now talks to sats just for text messages and tiny bits of location data.
Hello man i have a question for you, Aren't you afraid to mess with this whole thing i mean, with the radication and all this stuff
Awesome !
I just want to know how you are getting access on those satellites
@@peterfairlie2296 it would also be cool if you use one of those at your house and one in the middle of nowhere then connect back to your house and get some faster speeds
When you call someone in the other room because you're too lazy to get up
Imagine using dial-up with this 😂😂😂
so you wanna said both system was decommissioned but not deactivated? HOW?
Set up the bitrate this time ?
Where do you get these units because it would be fun to have a unit like this
Do you have a website that you were looking at just wondering
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Would that be a 2500 ping?
do 4 next
With starlink running. Will this technology still be used by news groups or will they move over to starlink
News organizations rarely used this kind of thing, they usually used higher bandwidth so they could send live broadcast quality video in real time. The advantage of doing it over DVB-S or DVB-S2 (in the modern era) is that they could do one feed, and then pull it down at many sites around the states. When I built and supported these things, I knew one guy who had his antenna setup down at that Chilean mine rescue some 10 years ago. He had the only dish there, and was feeding out live video to Fox, CNN, CNBC, Japanese networks, and a variety of others, and they were all picking it up live, and all paying him. You can't do that with an IP based system like StarLink. The two systems fill different needs, and are complimentary to each other.
Which and which country's satellite you pirated. Is it state owned satellite or private company's satellite? Please share this information to us.
Did you watch the video? I said everything you're asking.
@@peterfairlie2296 iam watching
It. Thanks you.
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Mess with EchoStar 110 west and also inmarsat plzzz
This is absolutely crazy lmfao
Talk is cheap on satellite, but all I get is static… 🎶
My brain:🤯🤯🤯
Hello
If you canq do this satlite phone call by hacking satlite phone
I request you to make a video about hacking/pirating a vsat satellite to access a free internet. If such thing is possible. And i mean not starlink satellite (Starlink's satellites are in LEO, low Earth orbit while traditional VSAT satellites are in geostationary orbit GEO)just another old vsat satellite by government or other organisations that is specifically designed to give free internet access. Pirating/hacking satellite with $300 worth of tv gear is possible right.
This was VSAT that I accessed, just at a very low 32Kbps bitrate that was not that noticeable.
@@peterfairlie2296 really? You can browse intern at 32kbps. That's the speed of my internet connection.
I actually did surf the web using the 32 Kbps connection when I first connected: ua-cam.com/video/2njqPpFXhMI/v-deo.htmlsi=OD8sSXDGR4HizgcZ&t=263
@@peterfairlie2296 lol. Bravo.😂😂😂😂how the hell i dint notice that or forgot that. I dint got it and ended asking questions about it. 👍👍👍👍 You are too good. I can't stop smiling.
Where are you located with only 32 Kbps Internet may I ask ?
Marko Polo 😂
Frontline now has Network capabilities over satellite. I think it's a partnership with Cobham. 😊 Still pretty cool!
LAVALIFE LMFAO
Thats what im roughly doing with flipperzero and hack rf
hello
Awsome! vy 73 de DL1LEP
working on my self build uplink for ham radio geostationary sat QO100 with up to 20W linear amp (SSB audio) and my biggest prime docus dish is 1600mm @ 2,4GHz Up
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Do you have a rundown of your Equipment? Because I really want to build my own setup for QO-100.