NYC is one of many cities with ageing infrastructure that really needs to be upgraded before it becomes a serious problem. I've always been a fan of road tunnels, though they are slow and expensive, and I like that proposal here. I would prefer more encouragement of public transport and cycling, but I'll take what i can get.
Investing tons of money in car infrastructure? No! Just removing the street without a replacement is cheaper and as good for pedestrians as a tunnel replacement
@@jan-lukas you're saving on the construction but essentially nuking all the local businesses reliant on trucking for delivery from orbit and increasing traffic volumes on local streets. nice plan smartass
As someone who owns a copy of Cities Skylines and occasionally plays it, I am seriously disappointed that no one has sought my advice about this complex and difficult problem.
at the time, it was something like, state-of-the-art, innovative civil engineering (1950's), but now it became a smoggy, dank, rusty, and a noisy entity that stands out so much few loved it, and many residents hated it. (idk whether if Triple Cantilever is actually like that tbh)
As a Dutch urban designer, i can hardly believe what im looking at. A TRIPLE Cantelever? And support pillars eroded to the point of 0:36!? WHAT? It's a miracle no part of it has collapsed yet.
In defence of America, it's a very big country - to bring their roads up to modern standards would cost at least two aircraft carriers and they need those to defeat Canada.
@Johnny Wednesday Funny comment, but an Aircraft carriers costs $5-10 billion. Repairing all the roads in the US has an estimated cost of $100-500 billion. So even using the most exspensive aircraft carrier we would have to trade atleast 10-50... I feel like Europeans forget just how freaking big America is.
As a European, I drove in NYC for the first time last year. Drove along the FDR Dr. around Manhattan and on to the Brooklyn Bridge to get across. I was surprised by how all the infrastructure appears to be crumbling down, it's old, rusty and dirty, lots of potholes, no road marks etc.
As a city that claims to be the greatest city in the world we are terribly poor potholes don't get fixed infrastructure is left to rot and rust until and accident happens or a piece if debris fall onto the road only then do they take action to fix something. They just invested 10's of millions of dollars to repair two bridges that go over the staten island expressway over on bradley Ave by gannon ave and that's only after 2 separate incidents happened were large chunks of debris fell on to the expressway one of which happened during rush hour traffic. The bridge is a tiny little thing just to get cars over the expressway and it will only be completed by 2024. They work on it for like 2-3 hours a day in the mornings and that's it. Currently traffic only goes one way on the bridge instead of two ways trucks arnt allowed yet they drive over the bridge constantly anyways. And the detours cause even more traffic. It's a fucking nightmare tryna drive around this city sometimes the traffic alone is ridiculous during rush hour I can probably ride a bike faster to my destination then driving a car. The staten island expressway needs to be atleast 6 lanes wide in both directions and even then I'm sure there will still be traffic even with a HOV lane it does nothing to drain the flow of traffic between the people coming from jersey and Brooklyn the expressway becomes a parking lot everyday and there's nothing to be done about it. But we can spend all the money to put speed cameras on every corner and red light cameras at every intersection. They have even gone as far as put speed cameras at exits on the expressway so godforbid you enter the exit at highway speeds and you haven't reduced your speed to a crawl by the time your passing the exit sign your fucked. And to put the cherry on top they have reduced all local street speed limits from 35 to 25mph. 25MPH!!!! It's a fucking joke your driving on roads that in jersey are 45-40mph but not in new york here you have to drive like a fucking turtle to get anywhere and godforbid you go 11mph over the speed limit you'll see a lovely flash in your rear view mirror after your get caught by 1 of the 20,000 speed cameras they have set up. They don't even have cops sitting around clocking anyone because the cameras will just get you. And if it was the daytime and you didn't notice the flash your in for a lovely surprise a week or 2 later when you get a nice photograph of yourself in the mail for 50 fucking dollars. Get more then 400 dollars worth without paying and they'll boot your car in the middle of the night then you have to pay the 400 dollars plus the 200 dollar fee for the boot removal and then you have to return to your local gas station like some delivery boy. I'm telling you these motherfuckers have got it all figured out how to suck every dollar out of you. But we still can't repair the millions if potholes the plague the city to the point where I only use my daily driver and can't even take my nice car out because I'll get a flat or a dented rim just from driving down the block. Honestly don't know why I still live in this city fucking expensive but at the same time we have the infrastructure of a third world country and even then I'm sure a third world country has better roads then we do.
@@XxMidnightToker420xX jesus.... please please learn to format your posts and use paragraphs. I cant even read this because it look like a giant block of text.
Having lived most of my life in Brooklyn and now Staten Island I can honestly say that every major highway from New Jersey to queens is in need of replacing. None of these roads were designed to carry the amount of truck and vehicle traffic they now handle. As for the section of the BQE highlighted here I can pretty much safely say if it is not totally replaced and soon there’s gonna be a disaster of proportions never seen before.
Agreed. But it’s all about making people “feel” good about whatever the proposal ends up being. Hey, they’ll be a world class waterfront park but meanwhile the new road carries half the traffic of the old and everyone has to drive through the neighborhoods at 2mph. No, they need road experts that can build a world-class road to handle the throughput of NYC and let the chips fall where they may.
Agree. Eliminating the rail system that brought food into Hunts Point in Bronx was the most inefficient idea in the 20th century. "Yeah... let's use thousands of gas guzzling, polluting, traffic creating and road destroying trucks instead".
@@tylermacconnell217 Its not about making people feel good. It's about the value of the property that is adjacent. Property that was mostly low income when they built the BQE has now gotten gentrified in a lot of areas.
Imagine a time of about 2 years when many people worked from home and didn't need to use these roads for a while, this would be the perfect time during which to restore or replace all this!
People are not the problem! The highway was designed to handle vehicles and light trucks not over weight semi trucks. They should have implemented weight stations, if possible restrict most truck deliveries between the hours of 4 to 6am during the summer and fall months (Weather). Allowing only those larger semi that must deliver to do so during business hours. Or charge these larger heavier trucks a dollar a day to used this highway based on delivery routes to that area. This highway on average has 129,000 commuters 15% of that traffic is trucks, that $19,350 a day $7,062,750 annually! Let the ones who are destroying the highway pay to fix it!
Born and raised NYC, I don’t even want to think about how much of my life I spent sitting in traffic on the BQE. Honestly might be years. The cantilever section in Brooklyn been reduced to 2 lanes from 3 because it’s simply falling apart.
I remember on my first visit to NYC seeing the cantilever section. I took the train to the city so I did not arrive by car and simply stumbled across it while exploring the Dumbo neighborhood of Brooklyn. It is both impressive and terrifying at the same time.
Long Island which includes Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau and Sulfolk counties and 6 million population are served by only a small amount of expressway lanes that trucks can use to supply that population. The BQE is one of the main supply routes. I drove tractor trailer trucks in the NYC metro area and all the expressways are running at maximum 24 hrs.
I’m the guy that increasingly wonders if the badly lacking number of reliable trucking corridors between Long Island/NYC & literally the rest of the mainland USA noticeably affects the price of literally everything down to bare essentials at the grocery stores throughout NYC & Long Island compared to Jersey, Connecticut & the Mid-Hudson. And I wouldn’t exactly call I-95 or I-278 in general reliable. I reckon I-87/Major Deegan isn’t too severe compared to other routes; same with I-295/Clearview or I-678/Van Wyck, but one still has to use the most troublesome routes to get to said routes…
An idea for a future video: The Zuidasdok project in Amsterdam. Burying a very busy highway to expand a train station to create an international station and lengthen a subway line. All in the finacial district in Amsterdam.
Are you a ducthy that is cheering on the destruction of family farms to make the United Nations slavery city? All done under the guise of climate activism against cow farts.
When I worked in the film industry many of the jobs I was on required me to do runs through the BQE, usually multiple times a day. The absolute hatred I have for this expressway is impossible to put into words hahaha
@@jamie.777 Unfortunately, my father has a few relatives in Queens so we have to go there every so often. I despise NY traffic. Some of the worst in the world. It's so bad that I feel like paying freight to bring my Marin 14-speed with me but I'm afraid of it getting stolen. It's easy to ride it fast but that performance doesn't come cheap.
@@stevenlitvintchouk3131 Who said anything about mass transit being a "substitute" for the road network? Do European countries not have commercial truck drivers or roads? 🤔 When people have other ways to get around, it decongests the roadways for the people who actually need them (such as truck drivers.) Coming from someone who personally spends hundreds of hours per year sitting in Atlanta traffic, ANY moves to relieve pressure from these roadways would be highly appreciated by millions of people, ESPECIALLY our commercial truck drivers.
@@driley4381if there was only a system designed to move freight from city to city without using roads. Just wonder what it might be called. Oh that’s right it’s called a train. The highways weren’t designed to handle all this traffic and nothing destroys highways faster then having 80,000lb vehicles driving on it.
IMO the first problem is cramming too many people into one area at the same time in the first place. Im not just making excuses for more roads but even the walkable urban areas have rush hour traffic jams just of people instead of cars. Even when most people are using transit the transit then just becomes congested. Rush hour itself needs to be somehow eliminated which remote work is kind of doing for a few people but all the jobs that need to be done in person should be dispersed around the city instead of all downtown and start times could be varied by just 5 minutes to try and not have everyone leaving home at near the exact same time. Myself I cant live in any city the way they are now. The whole style and pace of life there gives me extreme claustrophobia. Everyone in a city is affected by the whims of the millions of random people around them whether they are aware of it or not and so day to day life is too unpredictable.
My mother was a secretary working for the NY State DOT back in the 1990's. She wasn't an engineer, but she had to write up and edit all kinds of reports for the engineers, and she used to talk about all the different plans for this particular stretch of road. That was all 30 years ago. A lot of work has been done on the approach to the BQE, up to the Battery Tunnel (which, technically, is the Gowanus Expressway, which connects the Belt Parkway & Verazzano Bridge to the BQE) and most of the elevated section of that roadway has been rebuilt, taking at least 20 years. My impression is that they can tear down and build a new roadway faster than they can repair the old one. It would be more painful and inconvenient in the short run, but probably would end up with a cheaper and better built highway.
Exactly what I thought. I think with most very old things, such as buildings and infrastructure, it's probably better to build it back better than to continue renovating things and just building on the existing structure (buildings, such as shopping centers with multiple parking decks and malls). I don't think we realize how aged or out of current standards everything is because of the renovations or "fixes" on a structure (most of which are probably cosmetic, to make it look pretty and new). I bring up especially shopping malls and centers with tiered parking because we have one here that was around since 1959 and the upper decks still leak into the street level/basement parking, it's like it's raining indoors while it's raining outside (heavily). They just keep building new stuff on it rather than focusing on the elephant in the room the water ingress into the upper parking deck, sealing is just a band aid solution until the main structure gets addressed, while it has good bones, those bones might also be deteriorating. (bones = concrete rebars)
I agree about tearing it down and building a new one, similar to when they built the new bridge over at the old Kosciusko bridge. The new bridge was built extremely quickly. It took it less than 4 to 5 years because they left the older bridge open while they constructed the newer one.
Driving along that triple cantilever is an amazing experience. Some of the best views of the skyline, and I enjoy the twists and turns that get you above and below other bridges and roadways.
After moving to NYC a couple months ago I would be surprised if we don't see some major collapse (like the Manhattan bridge) or one of the elevated train lines in the next decade
I live by the BQE and hate it. Such an eyesore and noisemaker. It seems like it’s infeasible to tear it down, but I love the idea of submerging the BK Heights section and connecting the promenade to the park. More walking and biking = better, safer, more beautiful, quieter city experience.
The walks and the bikes are not keeping this city alive. The focus of this video is how important this one highway is to the city. And you’re talking about “beautiful parks” …….
@@GeorgeSargashian any utility a highway provides to a major urban area can be provided orders of magnitude more efficiently and with fewer negative externalities by rail and easy pedestrian + cycle access to said rail, no exceptions. Maintaining an intraurban highway is just deliberately kneecapping your own economic growth and quality of life for no reason.
@@GeorgeSargashian he said submerge the d@mn thing, not get rid of it and dump it in NY Harbor. He meant build a tunnel to replace it, like Boston's Central Artery & Third Harbor Tunnel. The triple cantilever stays open until the tunnel is ready for traffic. Then switch the roadways over. Easy as pie but expensive as hell!
The tunnel plan has already been studied and deemed unfeasible due to some very large utilities that run under the site that would be extremely difficult and expensive to relocate. There was a very reasonable rebuilding plan that was shot down by wealthy bklyn heights because it temporarily routed traffic through the promenade during construction for a few years. Whatever is finally done will now cost at least 3 to5x more and still route traffic through the heights as there aren't any other options. NIMBY wins again.
i travel on this portion of the BQE frequently and the proposal you mentioned about rerouting the traffic on the promenade was created years ago. the repairs of the BQE, if they moved ahead at that time, could already have been COMPLETED, but as you said, the rich shot it down and now the BQE section is worse than ever and even more years away from being repaired. hopefully it doesn't collapse before then.
@@filanfyretracker Moses was a disaster for New York, all about cars, nothing else. He destroyed many, many neighborhoods out of sheer arrogance. More NIMBYism forcing introspection and creativity on Moses' part would have avoided some of the decisions that ruined many parts of that city.
I think the government should just tell the rich to take a holiday and ignore their voices…but they pad the government worker pockets. If it isn’t fixed before collapsing, then the rich should be the ones held accountable
This section of the BQE has fascinated me since I was a kid, and then when you learn the story of Robert Moses and how he cut up neighborhoods, it’s an intriguing story.
I grew up in a house on the Promenade and drove on NYC roads, daily on the BQE, for years. Returning to NYC a few weeks ago I was amazed at how bad all of the roads were, not just the BQE.
They had 4 years to plan and could have executed new construction or completed repairs during the pandemic. If the construction of new buildings didn't seize then road work could have been completed as well.
You can't just be against freeways to keep up with the trends either. I love freeways more than anyone here, if they are designed well and don't serve as bottlenecks.
but also crucial. Even some of the minor changes these people are recommending like removing on-ramps to the bridge (Brooklyn Bridge) will massively shift the flow of traffic into the abysmally knotted and congested downtown brooklyn area. 🤪 I fear that some of these urban planners while admirable in their pursuits, lack critical knowledge of the traffic in Brooklyn. I live in that area and use the BQE fairly regularly, everyone agrees it needs to be rebuilt, but everyone also knows that limiting its usefulness for vehicles will only push those vehicles into our neighborhoods.
The BQE is one of my favorites as a motorcycle driver. Simple. Direct. To the point. The roads aren't in the worst shape compared the death trap that is Belt or Van Wick.
I don’t recall you mentioning it, but the Kosciusko Bridge (which was recently re-done) has been a godsend in improving traffic on the BQE. So it seems like they’re at least improving some of it. Edit: I know the focus was on the triple cantilever part of the road but I just wanted to make an example since the bridge is city-maintained as well
I don't know how old you are but I listened to WABC radio in the early 60s and heard 'Fearless Freddie Feldman" the helicopter traffic guy call it the Kos-Kee-Oskow bridge. I thought that was how it was pronounced but it's not.
I used to drive from my home in Connecticut to NYC and would take this road and it always terrified me. See both NYC and Connecticut roads are always in a constant state of repair. You should talk about the Merritt Parkway a disaster of a highway lol
As usual, another outstanding presentation! I was born and raised in Brooklyn, and although I no longer reside there, it will always run through my veins. The time has come for this matter to be addressed without fail or delay! The only thing that I would change is somehow incorporating subway into the design as opposed to a tram to service the waterfront and Red Hook area that currently do not have service. These areas are developing and we need to develop a transportation network now, while in the planning stages, to get people out of their cars.
Lived and worked in Brooklyn Heights for twenty years and I’ve seen the BQE falling apart. I’ve seen and heard all the plans to repair/ fix/ replace it, and all I can say is. I’m glad I’ve retired and moved. I cannot imagine what the traffic on the streets like Clinton, Atlantic and the others will be. Good luck to my former neighbor and friends.
I used to drive a tractor trailer down to Atlantic several times a week. The traffic was bad then, can't imagine what it would be like with diversions lol. Because of the way that the cantilever was constructed, 13'6" trucks can't use the right lane as is, gonna be a mess when they divert the entire thing.
@@4149stonepony So... you want to live and work in a dystopian city with all concrete, and where over half of all the space in the city is for storing or moving cars? You'd rather have sky scrapers of parking lots (or apartment/office buildings where half the height is a parking lot) than more apartments, which would ultimately make apartments more expensive as there'll be less of them. Sounds smart.
Reminds me of the "ALASKAN WAY VIACUCT" located off the Shore of Downtown Seattle, that was "falling apart/sinking" and nobody (including state/city) wanted to repair... So, 3 years ago, the entire 3 mile stretch was torn down!
The Brooklyn Promenade is a great place for a leisurely walk, but like many other waterfront parts in NYC (South Street Seaport, Little Island and other places along the Hudson and West Side Highway), the noise from the highway is annoying to say the least. There are loads of human activity around the area, and more space for people/bikes would definitely invite more people to get out and better enjoy the area.
The highway in South Street seaport is elevated so it's not noisy at all (at least if you're visiting, idk about living right there). Maybe an eye sore at the most, but it at least provides shade/shelter from rain.
@sonicboy678 maybe it's just me but it seems that the big dig; albeit expensive and having taken longer than it should is a great addition to Boston removing traffic going to BOS airport and surrounding areas from the surface level and submerging them. And British thought has a great point in regard to the construction method.
they've been repairing the BQE for at least 40 years. It's a steady source of income for construction companies. It crazy that residents can't get it repaired
Yes!! I moved to Bklyn in 1990 and they've always closed off certain intersections on the Gowanus Expressway for repair and nothing seemed to come out of that. And they've stopped these repair work for the past 17 years.
Fantastic video as always. I remember flying down the BQE at 4AM in the back of an overloaded tour van hauling a woefully overweight trailer full of music gear. Every pothole felt like a car crash. Sleep was simply impossible. Good times.
I grew up in NYC, in the early 60's, until the mid 80's, when I moved to the UK. Even back when I was growing up in the 70's, the BQE was a potholed mess. I can only imagine how dilapidated it is now, over 30 years later.
As a truck driver of 20+yrs, I've traveled the bqe several times in the past and yes, the the drive is always...an experience. Most roads in new england are very old and are not equipped to handle the traffic of the present but the bqe is the worst of the worst. My days of driving in nyc are over but definitely unforgettable. I hope Mr. Adams and the new your dot takes the infrastructure of the roadways seriously and fix them.
If you haven't discovered them already, you guys might enjoy the channels of Strictoaster, Fluxtrance, and Akruas. Sadly, of those three only the last one is still active, but the other two have done great stuff in the past and have been a great source of inspiration for my own cities.
This feels quite similar, albeit in a much bigger scale, to one of the projects I'm working on which is the remdial repairs to a viaduct section of the M8 motorway that runs through the North of Glasgow. Questionable construction methods, when it was built, has resulted in the connections between the piers and the bridge deck severely corroded up to the point that the existing 4 lane viaduct is considered safe if it only support 2 lanes of traffic or less. The solution consists of a series of propped structure that transfers the load from the bridge deck and down to the existing foundations, which are in pretty good condition. However the works have severely affected traffic in that neck of the woods and it seems to have a prolonged construction programme which will likey to cause further delays. Even though its a much smaller and less glamorous project, a brief video highlighting the solutions, and issues with construction, I reckon would be pretty interesting.
It's crazy to think this was designed and built in the 1950s. Back before computers, simulations, and without the last 70 years of advances in building materials. And it was designed to support a fraction of the load it has received over the decades - the BQE has taken an absolute beating, and it's still standing 70 years later! Truly amazing.
A helpful addition to this video discussion might have been a brief recounting of how the city handled the 'replacement' of the West Side Highway. That goes back a ways, so younger viewers might have no real idea of what happened to that 'highway upgrade"
@@johnathin0061892 As I remember, at the time the estimates were running about 3 billion and NYC was a bit short on cash in those days. I do remember driving on it before they took it down. I remember a Village Voice article at the time where they interviewed one of the major potential contractors and he said "I don't care what they want If they want a pyramid we'll build it." Funny how some things stick in one's head over the years.
If they had rebuilt the West Side Highway as a highway, it would have stop and go traffic for miles down to lower Manhattan. What they did works rather well. Ed Koch was right.
Americans don't necessarily love their cars, its just that the alternatives aren't great. Precisely because of infrastructure like this, people choose to have cars and live further from work and school. They compete with rail projects which limits the growth of the public transit network which again makes having a car a more convenient option. With more car ownership, there is more demand for car infrastructure. Its basically a self perpetuating prophecy.
Very much agree. "Americans love their cars" is an odd justification for a massive infrastructure project. Especially striking for a city where only half of residents own cars and many of those use public transit when they can. The 10 to 15% of traffic that is freight does need a solution, but fortunately that doesn't require 3 lanes in each direction. The car commuters would be much better served by transit, whether that is is rail, bus, bike, etc. New York has the best rail infrastructure in the country, with the subway, 3 commuter rail systems as well as Amtrak. Car infrastructure competes with transit for funds and space and often makes better alternatives less safe and convenient, slowing busses and endangering pedestrians and cyclists.
And all this ageing, crumbling highway infrastructure was built and public transit completely neglected when Americans did love their cars. Now in most cities we're stuck with single-mode transportation: cars only.
@@dlazo32696 I'm sure there are people in prison who love same sex intercourse, but there are also those who would prefer the opposite sex if they could have it.
At 8:28, you show an aerial view of Interstate Route 280 in Newark, NJ (not the BQE). The historic Broad St. Station (Lackawanna RR, later Erie-Lackawanna, now NJ Transit) to the left of the highway and the 1710 Plume House to the right, which is where is celluloid film was invented.
epoxy coated rebar has been banned by many dot's because it actually corrodes much faster than uncoated. the problem is little nicks in the coating become nucleation points where the rebar corrodes super fast. galvanized rebar may be the answer since zinc is much tougher coating and is actually self healing where it gets nicked.
In the Netherlands a sort of project is finished in the city of Maastricht in the South. There an highway artery through the city (A2), was replaced with a double deck tunnel, with on top local road with trees and grass.
@@k_schreibz3 trillion dollars in 55 years is incredible when you consider the fact that the military budget was increased by $700 billion between 2021 and 2022. Without assuming the growth in the budget that will happen in 55 years, with the current 1.5 trillion dollar budget, we will have wasted 82.5 trillion dollars on death and suffering, whereas 3 trillion to improve domestic life sounds quite nice
@@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd I mean, I don't want to defend the military industrial complex but it's not correct to say that 82.5 trillion dollars are wasted on death and suffering. The money doesn't just disappear. It pays peoples salaries and makes it back into the private economy as well.
I really appreciate the effort you put in to covering the nuances of things like this instead of just defaulting to "government bad" like so many others
One of the worst things about America is how we want the government to be weak in public services while we want to continue to strengthen harmful institutions like the military and such
I always thought that NYs biggest long term concern will be infrastructure. With millions of people and no room to grow, it’ll be very difficult for any sort of road, subway repairs, rebuild/restore projects. Good luck with this.
Great vid! Voice is good to listen to, and good, story-telling footage (Even if the edits are a bit harsh, and too frequent, in places) ... Roads are one of my interests.
NGL I love driving along that Central section of the BQE, such incredible views of the Manhattan skyline. BUT, at most times of the day the traffic is brutal, and the potholes and bumps are even moreso. Pretty sure my suspension is outta whack bc of the BQE.
Best option is 3rd or 4th Avenues to get to the Brooklyn or Manhattan bridges. You can access the BQE heading East at Tillary Street. Crazy traffic but not much else can be done until the construction is done.
It sucks so badly. It used to be faster to take side streets until everyone got GPS in their phones. Plus the city taking away lanes on major streets for busses and bicycle lanes makes it even that much worse
And if anyone wants to drive a private automobile on it, they ought to pay at least a $50 toll because that urban space is extremely valuable and cars are already subsidized to no end
Do you actually understand the economic damage and traffic consequences of the idea that you are proposing? Like did you think about it for even 5 seconds?
@@vice.nor.virtue you know there are other ways of getting around a city than just a car right? Busses, trams, trains, bikes, walking. We destroyed our cities in pursuit of making them accessible as possible to the car. We need to start redesigning cities to a more human scale, not a city built for cars. A car is the least space efficient way of getting around a city.
@@pjcanfield8 Are you ACTUALLY joking me? I'm actually shocked that you missed the basic problem of the whole situation which is the millions of metric tons of freight that are carried along this route every day. There is clearly no other way of transporting all of this without causing paralysing gridlock for miles around. My friend, you are the small-minded one here, and I declare this easily because I'm a Europian born in London and living in Berlin,- I don't even have a drivers license, yet i can see how important this highway is for transit of goods.
The cantilever is not the only problem with the BQE. Flooding is a major issue as well. The BQE is Brooklyn's other roller-coaster. Of the many ideas proposed, the BQP is the most attractive but also the least likely to succeed. Obviously inspired by the High Line, it would be a project on a scale the borough has probably never seen. It would be more difficult to produce than BB, MB and WB combined. The cost would be staggering, and even if it were to succeed, accidents and other problems in the tunnels would stress city resources in a way Brooklyn has not experienced. That said, taking a bold move to redesign the cantilever in this way would help future generations. And Brooklyn would get another park, though I loved the old waterfront. Gritty, dirty, abandoned. An eye sore. Beautiful.
Brooklyn as a whole would actually make a great topic for a video... I recently visited for the first time in a while and was quite surprised at how much it's changed and developed in just a couple years. It's finally starting to recover not just from COVID but from decades of bad urban planning. For example, there are tons of new properly dedicated bike lanes and a number of streets have been fully switched to one way a la Barcelona. I'm not sure if this is an intentional policy or more of a happy accident but I'd love to know more.
@@realtalk6195 That's good, I think money makes for a better place. If you can not afford it, you aren't welcome. That's how it is and how it should be. We don't want poor people making the cities unsafe and dirty! Cities full of people with money makes for a much more beautiful and safe place. I am all for it, to push poor people out and bring people with money in, so that the city can be revived, by investing in it, you know restoring the crumbling buildings and replacing the dirty spaces with beautiful parks, streets, little shops/cafés and homes. Where I live, it is quiet, safe and beautiful with parks all around, I don't want to change that for the worse.
Hey B1M, would you consider doing perhaps a mini series on some new traditional architecture being built around Europe and North America? Anything in some traditional style, art deco, nouveau, classical, federal, etc. It would be interesting to see some new builds in these styles. Cheers, dude!
I really do like the idea of the multi-level roadway, it turns a geographic feature hard to utilise into an elegant solution to the necessities of traffic. However the state it is in leaves certainly A LOT to be desired. If this section can be rebuild to contemporary standards, I can see it being great.
@@matrixman8582 The BQE should be 20 lanes wide and it would still generate more taxes and numerous benefits for the public than any little bike person could ever complain about.
I actually drove on the cantilevered section for the first time in my life this year. I usually go North (or, as it is maddeningly called, East) from the bridges, but accidentally went the other way. Getting turned around was a serious hassle.
The central section reminds me of the old Seattle Viaduct, which is now removed and replaced by a tunnel. Of course that project had it’s fair share of hiccups also. But the final results have been positive.
The cantilever portion is even worse now that they have changed it to two lanes instead of three. It's always bumper to bumper. Most people going Eastbound usually exit at Hamilton avenue to avoid all that crappy traffic that just keeps getting worse.
Without this expressway, majority of our supplies will never reach the 5 boroughs. The only other way into New York will be through the Cross Bronx. This would disrupt logistics in Staten island, to how supermarket shelves are stocked in Brooklyn. The surprising part is that a faction of people want to demolish it, and the city still has no plan to fix it now.
honest question: can't trucks be partly replaced by water modals of transport in nyc and then use those small cargo trucks to make deliveries throught the neighborhoods?
@@ext4sy.r1der27 it can not as those goods are delivered from out of state (NJ and further south or north) and it would not make sense for logistics companies to invest huge (and i can not stress it enough - HUGE) amounts of money into alternative modals. Also NYC would have to create the infrastructure to handle this new loads and oh boy that's gonna cost them dearly.
@@tomassakalauskas2856 You'd have to understand the geography of NYC. Nobody wants tractor trailors on local streets trekking up to Hunts point distribution to the Bronx. Nor can the bridges support or the city have room for slow moving freight rail.
@@ext4sy.r1der27 Most trucking comes from Distributors In Western Jersey and Pennsylvania. Of whom then have truck routes going to straights to New York. Please tell me where the water is in those regions and where are the ports in NYC to build it. The interstate highway system made the U.S. the biggest industrial powerhouse in the world. Why regress?
1:48 I have spoken to quite a few of my friends and they would not be driving if the public transport and zoning laws in this country weren't a joke. Not everyone loves cars, many of us are using them out of necessity.
I drive a truck on this road everyday m-Friday closing some ramps would help traffic immensely! Hopefully they get it back to three lanes sooner then expected.
There has been so much development going on in that area that I'm surprised the BQE has not been part of the "plan". Everyone wants to develop there but at the same time they don't want to accommodate for the regular people.
Before I discovered the B1M and Tomorrow's Build, I never thought I'd be interested in watching videos about construction. But these are all so well made and they highlight the good and the bad. They help show just how important these projects are. They help explain why it always feels like construction takes longer than it should. And hopefully, it helps people realize the need for these projects. So many European countries seem to have a better handle on these things while here in America, many leaders would rather not spend money on the things this country really needs. It would be nice if we could learn to prioritize better. More infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc. and less military spending and corporate tax breaks. We don't need trillions of dollars of new weapons every year.
The military budget only accounts 3.7% of the US gdp. To put that into perspective the UK is at 3.2% France 2.8% China 3.1% the US military budget is massive and grows because the US economy is massive and grows. But where I see the problem is simply lack of investments and to many ways money manages to disappear into the pockets of businessman etc. the system we have of fixing our infrastructure needs to be streamlined and updated to operate at full potential. The infrastructure bill is a great start too.
get your head out of youras and go look up actual statistics We spend huge amounts on education and healthcare We spend more amount per capita on education than many western european countries We rank above many western european countries in road infrastructure rankings You should seriously consider getting your head out of youras dude
Any plans for a Boston Big Dig style to replace segments of the BQE should also include provisions for a freight/commuter rail tunnel under the Narrows. You need to move the trucks off the road and have the cargo shipped in by rail. That would dove tail with plans for the Interborough Express to be extended into the Bronx cause you’ll need that new span into The Bronx so you avoid capacity issues with the Hell Gate Bridge. Voila!
An option could be building tram lines in the center town streets so that folks take public transport to get into the city. That allows the subway some breathing. Also, we got to expand the rainlines so that folks from outside can go to the city by train instead of car. This will lower the pressure on the roads.
Most of the BQEs traffic isn't local to the point that a tram line would help. I should know, I travel almost everyday on it. A lot of travelers on the BQE head to LIE or Staten Island.
@@vokay staten island needs some more subway access. They should connect the SIR to Perth Amboy on the NJ Transit Jersey Cast line, bring back SIR north of St. George and maybe even connect that to 8th street on the Hudson Bergen line in Jersey City. That way the island can have some more direct rail connections to manhattan that dont require a massive tunnel or bridge to brooklyn/manhattan. Of course the island just needs more rail or BRT/LRT service in general to get these people off the roads
@@seanharan9521 lol "some more" as if they have anything worthwhile now. Honestly, idk wtf is going in with Staten Islands Bureaucracy and politics that positioned themselves as such an outcast, but they need to start connecting themselves with Brooklyn and Manhattan (and not through an overpriced and slow ferry/bridge, as it'll boost local economy, and provide more housing.
Agreed. NYC needs to transition from personal vehicles to mass transit. And MAKE IT NICE AND SAFE so that people actually look forward to using it. With all the people spending $40,000 every 5 years on a car, if that were spent on mass transit this should be achievable. Cars should be reserved for emergency/gov't, commercial uses, or taxis (which are expensive enough to not make it a problem). A huge chunk of metal for 1 person is such a waste of space and pollution.
@@vokay We’re talking about Staten Island. You really think all those people living in their bastion of single family homes want to be more connected to the rest of the city? They like it that way, they want to remain isolated on their island. They don’t want transit because they feel undesirables/poor people will have easier access to Staten Island.
This is not a problem unique to NYC, it's a nationwide problem and it goes far beyond roads. It's also water systems, sewage systems, electric grid, dams, levees etc... Much of what america has built is nearing the end of its life cycle. The road system in general wasn't built to handle current traffic loads, as a result American cities have congestion issues, it's not just that it's deteriorating.
I drive on the BQE everyday. Its always congested now after they took away a lane around the Brooklyn Promenade stretch of the hwy. It went from 3 lanes down to 2. The idea was, it would ease the weight and congestion. So there’s 2 lanes now and a very wide right shoulder. This is NY, the shoulder is always used as another “driving lane”
Born and raised in Brooklyn and this is truly one of the WORST things about it. Tear this monstrosity down and build the park. NO TUNNELS EITHER. Invest in public transit and bike lanes.
Where would all the vehicles go off that proposal onto the narrow streets above. There will always be a need for highways for trucking thats how goods are transported from the port/freight yards to the warehouse to the grocery stores/restaurants to feed you and the rest of the city. Public transit only moves people around. There needs to be a balance on all forms of transportation.
@@matrixman8582 Ah yes the age old tradition of “punish the poor for being poor” and “the poor are to stupid to make their own choices so FORCE whichever choice you want on them” All the poor people with cars will be forced to sell them for an extreme mark down. Either that or go bankrupt from tolls. They did it when they removed street cars by jacking the rates all the way up and letting the oil industry buy large shares of streetcar companies and self sabotage the industry into bankruptcy. And they do it again. Forcing the price of using the method of transport the poor are used to. Then become exorbitantly expensive.
I hope that cantilevered structure doesn’t fail like the Cypress Structure did in the 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake. All but two of the lives lost in that quake were on the Cypress Structure when it collapsed, it was horrible and so tragic.
Was just going post a comment about how nature took out the two tiered section Cypress freeway structure, damaging the Oakland side of the Bay Bridge, the hideous San Francisco Embarcadero (also two tiered) and central freeways. The replacements a a huge improvements and added such beauty to what was previously there. Sad about the loss of lives. 🙏💜🙏
Do you even realize that NY could have had the best public transport based on how dense this city is... While fixing the road you could put a double track for trains alongside or above or under (whatever)... But ... imagine Americans taking a public transport... Based on what I read, Americans don't want to take public transport because it is used only by poor and homelessness...
The subway is generally used only by those who don't have a choice ...so to answer most people's inevitably next question, yes, there are several million people in NYC who don't have a choice.
SF did something similar when replacing Doyle drive with the presidio parkway. Tunnels that allow for uninterrupted green space above and traffic partially covered for a good portion of the roadway.
It's interesting people are considering restricting trucks, but not doing the reverse - making it truck-only. People driving personal vehicles can use alternative modes for the most part (it's brooklyn and queens. trains and buses are absolutely a viable option, as are other arterial roads), but freight is tougher to reroute. If 10% of the traffic on the BQE currently is freight, is it reasonable to assume that restricting to freight-only means you would only need about 10% of the existing right-of-way? Narrowing the right of way would make the "Brooklyn-Queens Park" concept much cheaper to implement and still preserve the freight connection
People who live jn Brooklyn and Queens still want a viable way to get out of the city. In a realistic perspective, putting all that traffic onto local roads will just be diverting the traffic somewhere else. But in a utopia, I would support this idea!
@@ramenmcminecraft190 It sounds like a good temporary solution they can use while reconstructing and fixing up the urgent issues, definitely not permanent though
The MTA is a joke, I waited 2 hours for the bus on Sunday and it never came, so I had to take the car and drive to another stop the subway is the same service is horrible, it smells like rats 🐀 they never clean them, I have been here 20 years and zero advancement in transportation mode and they make insane money. I will drive my car until my wheels fall off lol.
I agree with you, but most NYers (both city residents and commuters)do take public transportation. However, the city lacks freight train connectivity of other cities, so you have heavy truck traffic on the streets and highways. Plus, the pandemic and issues with the aftermath of subway crime threw more cars onto the roads.
The option of a tunnel seems expensive, but might pay for itself if tolling or some other system of road pricing were introduced. It's amazing really that NYC doesn't have even a simple congestion pricing scheme yet! This must be inducing traffic and causing a hit to potential transit revenue.
Great video again B1M, but one thing that is so upsetting about all this is no talk of building other forms of infrastructure to alleviate highway congestion, something that is apart of literally almost every European city. You're right America has such a car-brained culture. America cannot continue its affinity for car infrastructure, it is the most inefficient, expensive, and sprawling form of transit, it displaces millions every year. It benefits absolutely no one as much as other alternatives like train, bus, bike, or walking do. No one is saying to return to horse and buggy days, with the learned failures of highways that robert moses built during the 1930's-1960's we can much better design our future. The car infested infrastructure that Moses left and the millions of new yorkers he displaced can be overhauled to a much people-friendly future. I saw someone in the comments suggest that Americans and automotives go hand in hand, they don't they are a product of American capitalism and insane billions of dollars of lobbying from car companies in the 1st half of the 20th century. The US can change its repetitive detrimental planning habits. How about funding the MTA better, taking note from cities like Seattle, and demolishing the freeway in its entirety, it frees up space for public parks and more affordable nonmarket housing that new york desperately needs at least 50% of so private rentals have to compete with non market housing, take a look at vienna. There is a concept called induced demand that people mainly apply to freeways in the way that "adding another lane" to a freeway does not fix traffic it only induces demand. That concept relates to all other types of infrastructure from trains to bikes. If we build cheap-to-build quality biking infrastructure then more people would bike. If we build more subway lines that connect more people like highways do more people would take transit, freeing highway space for those that truly have to use a car.
I used to be scared af to travel thru the BQE. Now I’m even more scared knowing that this has not being maintained to keep safe for commuters and commercial traveling. This would be something they need to address immediately. So I would vote to shut it down. This will temporarily force commuters to seek other transportation methods and reroute the commercial freights. But it’s for the good of the travelers thru BQE in the future.
I got a change to cycle on part of the BQE as part of the annual TD Five Boro Bike Tour. That is an event where roughly 30,000 cyclists travel through all 5 boroughs in a full loop starting near the World Trade center complex, up 6th Ave. Through the park, through parts of the Bronx, Queens. Over the Verrazano Narrows bridge, across Staten Island and back with the ferry. Sign up is in early January and sells out super fast, with the ride in early May. It's a once in a lifetime way to see the city. You get to ride on sections of roads and bridges to take in views that are normally only accessible by car. It's interesting to take in the sites from these structures at cycling speed vs. heavy NYC traffic. When I did it, we got in line around 6 am, and passed roughly the same spot in the evening around 6pm. I like to joke that it's actually at times a terrible bike ride, but the worlds best cycling experience. When 30K cyclists are all trying to get going, massive slowdowns happen. Seeing this video brought back the amazing memories of riding on it 15 odd years ago. Thanks for the informative video
I had decades of traveling from points south to visit family in Eastern Long Island. Occasionally I used the BQE, but it was much less nerve racking to go out by JFK, using Southern States parkway, and then cut across up to the North Shore. Just driving in normal circumstances on the BQE was more stress than I needed.
NYC is one of many cities with ageing infrastructure that really needs to be upgraded before it becomes a serious problem. I've always been a fan of road tunnels, though they are slow and expensive, and I like that proposal here. I would prefer more encouragement of public transport and cycling, but I'll take what i can get.
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Investing tons of money in car infrastructure? No!
Just removing the street without a replacement is cheaper and as good for pedestrians as a tunnel replacement
In Germany we have all of that in cities. In the Netherlands even more so
Would love to see you do a video on Elon's ideas for traffic tunnels
@@jan-lukas you're saving on the construction but essentially nuking all the local businesses reliant on trucking for delivery from orbit and increasing traffic volumes on local streets. nice plan smartass
As a SimCity engineer I am shocked and appalled at the state of this infrastructure
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As someone who owns a copy of Cities Skylines and occasionally plays it, I am seriously disappointed that no one has sought my advice about this complex and difficult problem.
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As a Tropico (google it) dictator I say let it rot.
NYC has many sketchy stretches of highways, but the cantilevered portion of the BQE is on a different level all together.😖
Nice pun. I mean it's on 3 different levels altogether really....
omg stop it you two
If you think the BQE is bad, you haven’t been on the Cross-Bronx Expressway.
at the time, it was something like, state-of-the-art, innovative civil engineering (1950's), but now it became a smoggy, dank, rusty, and a noisy entity that stands out so much few loved it, and many residents hated it.
(idk whether if Triple Cantilever is actually like that tbh)
@@AllMustJump - You think the CBE is bad? try the Birmingham Spaghetti Junction
As a Dutch urban designer, i can hardly believe what im looking at. A TRIPLE Cantelever? And support pillars eroded to the point of 0:36!? WHAT? It's a miracle no part of it has collapsed yet.
Some of Americas infrastructure is shocking compared to Europe. Highways crumbling there.
They need more public transit insted of more new highways
In defence of America, it's a very big country - to bring their roads up to modern standards would cost at least two aircraft carriers and they need those to defeat Canada.
As they say "Only in NYC".
@Johnny Wednesday Funny comment, but an Aircraft carriers costs $5-10 billion. Repairing all the roads in the US has an estimated cost of $100-500 billion. So even using the most exspensive aircraft carrier we would have to trade atleast 10-50... I feel like Europeans forget just how freaking big America is.
As a European, I drove in NYC for the first time last year. Drove along the FDR Dr. around Manhattan and on to the Brooklyn Bridge to get across. I was surprised by how all the infrastructure appears to be crumbling down, it's old, rusty and dirty, lots of potholes, no road marks etc.
As a city that claims to be the greatest city in the world we are terribly poor potholes don't get fixed infrastructure is left to rot and rust until and accident happens or a piece if debris fall onto the road only then do they take action to fix something. They just invested 10's of millions of dollars to repair two bridges that go over the staten island expressway over on bradley Ave by gannon ave and that's only after 2 separate incidents happened were large chunks of debris fell on to the expressway one of which happened during rush hour traffic. The bridge is a tiny little thing just to get cars over the expressway and it will only be completed by 2024. They work on it for like 2-3 hours a day in the mornings and that's it. Currently traffic only goes one way on the bridge instead of two ways trucks arnt allowed yet they drive over the bridge constantly anyways. And the detours cause even more traffic. It's a fucking nightmare tryna drive around this city sometimes the traffic alone is ridiculous during rush hour I can probably ride a bike faster to my destination then driving a car. The staten island expressway needs to be atleast 6 lanes wide in both directions and even then I'm sure there will still be traffic even with a HOV lane it does nothing to drain the flow of traffic between the people coming from jersey and Brooklyn the expressway becomes a parking lot everyday and there's nothing to be done about it. But we can spend all the money to put speed cameras on every corner and red light cameras at every intersection. They have even gone as far as put speed cameras at exits on the expressway so godforbid you enter the exit at highway speeds and you haven't reduced your speed to a crawl by the time your passing the exit sign your fucked. And to put the cherry on top they have reduced all local street speed limits from 35 to 25mph. 25MPH!!!! It's a fucking joke your driving on roads that in jersey are 45-40mph but not in new york here you have to drive like a fucking turtle to get anywhere and godforbid you go 11mph over the speed limit you'll see a lovely flash in your rear view mirror after your get caught by 1 of the 20,000 speed cameras they have set up. They don't even have cops sitting around clocking anyone because the cameras will just get you. And if it was the daytime and you didn't notice the flash your in for a lovely surprise a week or 2 later when you get a nice photograph of yourself in the mail for 50 fucking dollars. Get more then 400 dollars worth without paying and they'll boot your car in the middle of the night then you have to pay the 400 dollars plus the 200 dollar fee for the boot removal and then you have to return to your local gas station like some delivery boy. I'm telling you these motherfuckers have got it all figured out how to suck every dollar out of you. But we still can't repair the millions if potholes the plague the city to the point where I only use my daily driver and can't even take my nice car out because I'll get a flat or a dented rim just from driving down the block. Honestly don't know why I still live in this city fucking expensive but at the same time we have the infrastructure of a third world country and even then I'm sure a third world country has better roads then we do.
@@XxMidnightToker420xX jesus.... please please learn to format your posts and use paragraphs. I cant even read this because it look like a giant block of text.
@@ML-yn9yu I am sorry for your inability to read.
@@XxMidnightToker420xX Yea I have seen the cameras right off exits, it is even better now since they have the cameras work 24/7. 🙃
Nobody wants to read that
Having lived most of my life in Brooklyn and now Staten Island I can honestly say that every major highway from New Jersey to queens is in need of replacing. None of these roads were designed to carry the amount of truck and vehicle traffic they now handle. As for the section of the BQE highlighted here I can pretty much safely say if it is not totally replaced and soon there’s gonna be a disaster of proportions never seen before.
I don't get why they are allocating so much community consultation time when it seems so hazardous. People pushing that should be held responsible.
Agreed. But it’s all about making people “feel” good about whatever the proposal ends up being. Hey, they’ll be a world class waterfront park but meanwhile the new road carries half the traffic of the old and everyone has to drive through the neighborhoods at 2mph. No, they need road experts that can build a world-class road to handle the throughput of NYC and let the chips fall where they may.
Agree. Eliminating the rail system that brought food into Hunts Point in Bronx was the most inefficient idea in the 20th century. "Yeah... let's use thousands of gas guzzling, polluting, traffic creating and road destroying trucks instead".
@@tylermacconnell217 Its not about making people feel good. It's about the value of the property that is adjacent. Property that was mostly low income when they built the BQE has now gotten gentrified in a lot of areas.
You're right but none as much as the bqe portion of the 278
Imagine a time of about 2 years when many people worked from home and didn't need to use these roads for a while, this would be the perfect time during which to restore or replace all this!
That would have been too much like right
@@TdotFunk they didn't plan it and a strong government always should plan ahead 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They would have to accelerate the whole process and they did not have the funds allocated for it at the time
People are not the problem! The highway was designed to handle vehicles and light trucks not over weight semi trucks. They should have implemented weight stations, if possible restrict most truck deliveries between the hours of 4 to 6am during the summer and fall months (Weather). Allowing only those larger semi that must deliver to do so during business hours. Or charge these larger heavier trucks a dollar a day to used this highway based on delivery routes to that area. This highway on average has 129,000 commuters 15% of that traffic is trucks, that $19,350 a day $7,062,750 annually! Let the ones who are destroying the highway pay to fix it!
@@kkrobertson1 and in turn they charge consumers more
Born and raised NYC, I don’t even want to think about how much of my life I spent sitting in traffic on the BQE. Honestly might be years. The cantilever section in Brooklyn been reduced to 2 lanes from 3 because it’s simply falling apart.
I thought AOC was elected to fix shit there.
@@KB-ke3fiaoc is fixing her bank account.
@@KB-ke3fi That's not her district
I remember on my first visit to NYC seeing the cantilever section. I took the train to the city so I did not arrive by car and simply stumbled across it while exploring the Dumbo neighborhood of Brooklyn. It is both impressive and terrifying at the same time.
Great view. Got to see the twin towers
Driving it is also sketch as hell
Long Island which includes Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau and Sulfolk counties and 6 million population are served by only a small amount of expressway lanes that trucks can use to supply that population. The BQE is one of the main supply routes. I drove tractor trailer trucks in the NYC metro area and all the expressways are running at maximum 24 hrs.
I’m the guy that increasingly wonders if the badly lacking number of reliable trucking corridors between Long Island/NYC & literally the rest of the mainland USA noticeably affects the price of literally everything down to bare essentials at the grocery stores throughout NYC & Long Island compared to Jersey, Connecticut & the Mid-Hudson.
And I wouldn’t exactly call I-95 or I-278 in general reliable. I reckon I-87/Major Deegan isn’t too severe compared to other routes; same with I-295/Clearview or I-678/Van Wyck, but one still has to use the most troublesome routes to get to said routes…
@@schwenda3727 and I'm the guy wondering why all those trucks are not replaced by some sort of train...
@@AmauryJacquot This is America not Europe
@@zerohero5753 the US could start thinking ahead, instead of just doing the same stupid thing over and over again...
@@AmauryJacquot the US literally has the largest freight train system in the world.
An idea for a future video: The Zuidasdok project in Amsterdam. Burying a very busy highway to expand a train station to create an international station and lengthen a subway line. All in the finacial district in Amsterdam.
And it works amazingly well
The Lelylijn is also a nice Dutch topic, lot's of design studies have already been done, so lot's of video material if you get your hands on it.
Are you a ducthy that is cheering on the destruction of family farms to make the United Nations slavery city? All done under the guise of climate activism against cow farts.
Or the double deck highway tunnel through the city of Maastricht in The Netherlands.
Does Netherlands have high speed rail 🚅🚝?
When I worked in the film industry many of the jobs I was on required me to do runs through the BQE, usually multiple times a day. The absolute hatred I have for this expressway is impossible to put into words hahaha
Yes, especially when most of the vehicles don't take the Hugh Carey tunnel and creates a bottleneck continuing onto the BQE.
I despise driving 🚗 Through NYC. I seem to get lost every time with a GPS. Absolute garbage city
@@jamie.777 Unfortunately, my father has a few relatives in Queens so we have to go there every so often. I despise NY traffic. Some of the worst in the world. It's so bad that I feel like paying freight to bring my Marin 14-speed with me but I'm afraid of it getting stolen. It's easy to ride it fast but that performance doesn't come cheap.
Who knew that trying to cram as many automobiles as possible into areas designed to be human-scale would come back to bite us in the rear?
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@@LongIslandCityLayout it’s trucks it’s cars and any all single person auto motives
@@stevenlitvintchouk3131 Who said anything about mass transit being a "substitute" for the road network? Do European countries not have commercial truck drivers or roads? 🤔
When people have other ways to get around, it decongests the roadways for the people who actually need them (such as truck drivers.) Coming from someone who personally spends hundreds of hours per year sitting in Atlanta traffic, ANY moves to relieve pressure from these roadways would be highly appreciated by millions of people, ESPECIALLY our commercial truck drivers.
@@driley4381if there was only a system designed to move freight from city to city without using roads. Just wonder what it might be called. Oh that’s right it’s called a train. The highways weren’t designed to handle all this traffic and nothing destroys highways faster then having 80,000lb vehicles driving on it.
IMO the first problem is cramming too many people into one area at the same time in the first place. Im not just making excuses for more roads but even the walkable urban areas have rush hour traffic jams just of people instead of cars. Even when most people are using transit the transit then just becomes congested. Rush hour itself needs to be somehow eliminated which remote work is kind of doing for a few people but all the jobs that need to be done in person should be dispersed around the city instead of all downtown and start times could be varied by just 5 minutes to try and not have everyone leaving home at near the exact same time.
Myself I cant live in any city the way they are now. The whole style and pace of life there gives me extreme claustrophobia. Everyone in a city is affected by the whims of the millions of random people around them whether they are aware of it or not and so day to day life is too unpredictable.
My mother was a secretary working for the NY State DOT back in the 1990's. She wasn't an engineer, but she had to write up and edit all kinds of reports for the engineers, and she used to talk about all the different plans for this particular stretch of road. That was all 30 years ago. A lot of work has been done on the approach to the BQE, up to the Battery Tunnel (which, technically, is the Gowanus Expressway, which connects the Belt Parkway & Verazzano Bridge to the BQE) and most of the elevated section of that roadway has been rebuilt, taking at least 20 years. My impression is that they can tear down and build a new roadway faster than they can repair the old one. It would be more painful and inconvenient in the short run, but probably would end up with a cheaper and better built highway.
Exactly what I thought. I think with most very old things, such as buildings and infrastructure, it's probably better to build it back better than to continue renovating things and just building on the existing structure (buildings, such as shopping centers with multiple parking decks and malls). I don't think we realize how aged or out of current standards everything is because of the renovations or "fixes" on a structure (most of which are probably cosmetic, to make it look pretty and new).
I bring up especially shopping malls and centers with tiered parking because we have one here that was around since 1959 and the upper decks still leak into the street level/basement parking, it's like it's raining indoors while it's raining outside (heavily). They just keep building new stuff on it rather than focusing on the elephant in the room the water ingress into the upper parking deck, sealing is just a band aid solution until the main structure gets addressed, while it has good bones, those bones might also be deteriorating. (bones = concrete rebars)
Well they pretty much are, Brooklyn bridge park will be absorbing that section and the cars will be sent underground, they are favoring the Rich
No Its a dense city. Most ppl could use public transport & bikes instead, if they are doing deliveries or disabled there are small roads..
@Platypus Paws naaaa I like my car.. I'd rather sit in traffic than take public transport
I agree about tearing it down and building a new one, similar to when they built the new bridge over at the old Kosciusko bridge. The new bridge was built extremely quickly. It took it less than 4 to 5 years because they left the older bridge open while they constructed the newer one.
Driving along that triple cantilever is an amazing experience. Some of the best views of the skyline, and I enjoy the twists and turns that get you above and below other bridges and roadways.
Yeah. So very sharing of a common space.
It is pretty scenic.
Shouldn't you be focusing on driving not the view?
Wouldn't it be great if you could stop & enjoy it rather than driving straight thru?
That’s the thing, the BQE needs help no doubt but it is quite dramatic and beautiful driving north… and trust me I am not fan of Robert Moses……..
After moving to NYC a couple months ago I would be surprised if we don't see some major collapse (like the Manhattan bridge) or one of the elevated train lines in the next decade
The Manhatten Bridge is never collapsing
None of the elevated lines will collapse
unless if the mta is an idiot
I live by the BQE and hate it. Such an eyesore and noisemaker. It seems like it’s infeasible to tear it down, but I love the idea of submerging the BK Heights section and connecting the promenade to the park. More walking and biking = better, safer, more beautiful, quieter city experience.
And more gang activity in a new park.
The walks and the bikes are not keeping this city alive. The focus of this video is how important this one highway is to the city. And you’re talking about “beautiful parks” …….
Jeez… I didn’t think that these comments above me could be any more ignorant on how cities actually work.
@@GeorgeSargashian any utility a highway provides to a major urban area can be provided orders of magnitude more efficiently and with fewer negative externalities by rail and easy pedestrian + cycle access to said rail, no exceptions. Maintaining an intraurban highway is just deliberately kneecapping your own economic growth and quality of life for no reason.
@@GeorgeSargashian he said submerge the d@mn thing, not get rid of it and dump it in NY Harbor. He meant build a tunnel to replace it, like Boston's Central Artery & Third Harbor Tunnel. The triple cantilever stays open until the tunnel is ready for traffic. Then switch the roadways over. Easy as pie but expensive as hell!
The tunnel plan has already been studied and deemed unfeasible due to some very large utilities that run under the site that would be extremely difficult and expensive to relocate. There was a very reasonable rebuilding plan that was shot down by wealthy bklyn heights because it temporarily routed traffic through the promenade during construction for a few years. Whatever is finally done will now cost at least 3 to5x more and still route traffic through the heights as there aren't any other options. NIMBY wins again.
I mean NIMBY had defeated Robert Moses nearly 100 years ago the city would not have this problem to begin with ;)
i travel on this portion of the BQE frequently and the proposal you mentioned about rerouting the traffic on the promenade was created years ago. the repairs of the BQE, if they moved ahead at that time, could already have been COMPLETED, but as you said, the rich shot it down and now the BQE section is worse than ever and even more years away from being repaired. hopefully it doesn't collapse before then.
@@filanfyretracker Moses was a disaster for New York, all about cars, nothing else. He destroyed many, many neighborhoods out of sheer arrogance. More NIMBYism forcing introspection and creativity on Moses' part would have avoided some of the decisions that ruined many parts of that city.
I think the government should just tell the rich to take a holiday and ignore their voices…but they pad the government worker pockets.
If it isn’t fixed before collapsing, then the rich should be the ones held accountable
And the working taxpayer loses again.
This section of the BQE has fascinated me since I was a kid, and then when you learn the story of Robert Moses and how he cut up neighborhoods, it’s an intriguing story.
Yeaahhh the second I saw that the neighbourhood got divided up I was like "I bet that was a job for a very big pair of racist scissors"
@@vice.nor.virtue You know most of these neighborhoods got cut up before blacks move in there...
I grew up in a house on the Promenade and drove on NYC roads, daily on the BQE, for years. Returning to NYC a few weeks ago I was amazed at how bad all of the roads were, not just the BQE.
"Yes a report from 2016"
I don't know what's more surprising, 2016 being considered urgent or 2016 being _that_ long ago
They had 4 years to plan and could have executed new construction or completed repairs during the pandemic.
If the construction of new buildings didn't seize then road work could have been completed as well.
As a New Yorker, I have to agree, the BQE is hated
You can't just be against freeways to keep up with the trends either. I love freeways more than anyone here, if they are designed well and don't serve as bottlenecks.
@@shanekeenaNYC exactly
@@apluto12-z3e Just walking so the next Robert Moses can run.
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but also crucial. Even some of the minor changes these people are recommending like removing on-ramps to the bridge (Brooklyn Bridge) will massively shift the flow of traffic into the abysmally knotted and congested downtown brooklyn area. 🤪 I fear that some of these urban planners while admirable in their pursuits, lack critical knowledge of the traffic in Brooklyn. I live in that area and use the BQE fairly regularly, everyone agrees it needs to be rebuilt, but everyone also knows that limiting its usefulness for vehicles will only push those vehicles into our neighborhoods.
cheers to the B1M for sharing s uch an important local issue!
You're welcome!
The BQE is one of my favorites as a motorcycle driver. Simple. Direct. To the point. The roads aren't in the worst shape compared the death trap that is Belt or Van Wick.
huh belt was actually repaired a lot recently
Goddam Van Wick has nothing on the Cumberland hwy ;)
I don’t recall you mentioning it, but the Kosciusko Bridge (which was recently re-done) has been a godsend in improving traffic on the BQE. So it seems like they’re at least improving some of it.
Edit: I know the focus was on the triple cantilever part of the road but I just wanted to make an example since the bridge is city-maintained as well
@@MrMikeh21 which means the Brooklyn-Queens might take itself out! 😨😱
I don't know how old you are but I listened to WABC radio in the early 60s and heard 'Fearless Freddie Feldman" the helicopter traffic guy call it the Kos-Kee-Oskow bridge. I thought that was how it was pronounced but it's not.
Named after a polish war hero who fought for the USA!
@@PD-we8vf Along with Casimir Pulaski.
@@lawrencelewis2592 my parents honestly thought that that was how it was pronounced for the longest time!
Realistically, nothing will get done until something goes wrong.
very true🤣🤣
You just know the costs of the inevitable lawsuits are being factored into the budget of whatever replaces the BQE.
Sounds like a common theme
Yep
And then everyone will be shocked 😳 completely predictable
I used to drive from my home in Connecticut to NYC and would take this road and it always terrified me. See both NYC and Connecticut roads are always in a constant state of repair. You should talk about the Merritt Parkway a disaster of a highway lol
The aerial shot at 8:26 is not the BQE. It is Route 280 in Newark.
As usual, another outstanding presentation! I was born and raised in Brooklyn, and although I no longer reside there, it will always run through my veins. The time has come for this matter to be addressed without fail or delay! The only thing that I would change is somehow incorporating subway into the design as opposed to a tram to service the waterfront and Red Hook area that currently do not have service. These areas are developing and we need to develop a transportation network now, while in the planning stages, to get people out of their cars.
Big thing happened today!! i started reading your video titles in your voice in my head!!! Congratulations you've done it!!!
Lived and worked in Brooklyn Heights for twenty years and I’ve seen the BQE falling apart. I’ve seen and heard all the plans to repair/ fix/ replace it, and all I can say is. I’m glad I’ve retired and moved. I cannot imagine what the traffic on the streets like Clinton, Atlantic and the others will be.
Good luck to my former neighbor and friends.
Where'd you go?
I used to drive a tractor trailer down to Atlantic several times a week. The traffic was bad then, can't imagine what it would be like with diversions lol. Because of the way that the cantilever was constructed, 13'6" trucks can't use the right lane as is, gonna be a mess when they divert the entire thing.
thanks we’ll f-in need it. I hope i’m in the burbs and out of the area before that mess starts.
Liberals think the answer is parks and burying highways and of course removal so they can make the city even more expensive gotta love these assholes.
@@4149stonepony So... you want to live and work in a dystopian city with all concrete, and where over half of all the space in the city is for storing or moving cars?
You'd rather have sky scrapers of parking lots (or apartment/office buildings where half the height is a parking lot) than more apartments, which would ultimately make apartments more expensive as there'll be less of them. Sounds smart.
Reminds me of the "ALASKAN WAY VIACUCT" located off the Shore of Downtown Seattle, that was "falling apart/sinking" and nobody (including state/city) wanted to repair...
So, 3 years ago, the entire 3 mile stretch was torn down!
San Francisco, too.
The Brooklyn Promenade is a great place for a leisurely walk, but like many other waterfront parts in NYC (South Street Seaport, Little Island and other places along the Hudson and West Side Highway), the noise from the highway is annoying to say the least. There are loads of human activity around the area, and more space for people/bikes would definitely invite more people to get out and better enjoy the area.
The highway in South Street seaport is elevated so it's not noisy at all (at least if you're visiting, idk about living right there). Maybe an eye sore at the most, but it at least provides shade/shelter from rain.
The park with the tunneled highway looks awesome!
New York infrastructure is just crazy but also very fascinating!😮
It’s retarded what u talking about. It’s catering to the wrong crowd. The structure will still be horrible. Just another patch job
Hello imoeratur. Thanks for giving me ideas for builds
Finally a practical approach to the BQE. It can not be underestimated how valuable the greenspace to the Brooklyn residences...
I'm concerned that it'll be (roughly) another Big Dig.
@@sonicboy678 That was bored tunnels rather than "cut and cover" which are as simple as placing conrete tubes and covering them with dirt.
Downtown Brooklyn is super depressing. So much concrete, so many large streets filled with cars.
@sonicboy678 maybe it's just me but it seems that the big dig; albeit expensive and having taken longer than it should is a great addition to Boston removing traffic going to BOS airport and surrounding areas from the surface level and submerging them. And British thought has a great point in regard to the construction method.
@@sonicboy678 Exactly. Because when the taxpayers foot the bill there's no such thing as a "budget" or a "deadline".
they've been repairing the BQE for at least 40 years. It's a steady source of income for construction companies. It crazy that residents can't get it repaired
Yes!! I moved to Bklyn in 1990 and they've always closed off certain intersections on the Gowanus Expressway for repair and nothing seemed to come out of that. And they've stopped these repair work for the past 17 years.
Fantastic video as always. I remember flying down the BQE at 4AM in the back of an overloaded tour van hauling a woefully overweight trailer full of music gear. Every pothole felt like a car crash. Sleep was simply impossible. Good times.
Did that have any impact on the filming of the following day's episode of your late night show?
@@pianoman47 the dark circles around my eyes could not be hidden with any amount of concealer.
I grew up in NYC, in the early 60's, until the mid 80's, when I moved to the UK. Even back when I was growing up in the 70's, the BQE was a potholed mess. I can only imagine how dilapidated it is now, over 30 years later.
You don't want to know. You were so smart to leave like I did
As a truck driver of 20+yrs, I've traveled the bqe several times in the past and yes, the the drive is always...an experience. Most roads in new england are very old and are not equipped to handle the traffic of the present but the bqe is the worst of the worst. My days of driving in nyc are over but definitely unforgettable. I hope Mr. Adams and the new your dot takes the infrastructure of the roadways seriously and fix them.
New England? Thats not a state, so they have no roads, each state handles its own roads. Learn geography and try finding new England on a map.
@@Thebrothaisback hush
the rest of us appreciate your non-sharing. Thanks!
NY government officials using tax payers money for what it is intended?
Never gunna happen.
@@Thebrothaisback 😂😂😂😂 there ya go. Gave you the attention your looking for. Moving on.....
As a New Jersey driver I find easier to use gwb to rfk to get to Brooklyn. Don’t go past prospect expressway coming from Staten Island.
I studied during my St. Francis college breaks there sitting on the promenades. It's a beautiful spot.
As a long time fan of this channel and a recent fanatic of Cities Skylines, this video is fantastic.
That game man, just discovered it myself.
Ye so much fun and gets very addicting especially with a few of the DLCs and mods
If you haven't discovered them already, you guys might enjoy the channels of Strictoaster, Fluxtrance, and Akruas. Sadly, of those three only the last one is still active, but the other two have done great stuff in the past and have been a great source of inspiration for my own cities.
@@lonestarr1490 city planner plays and biffa are also very good and still active
NYC is playing the same way I do... Highway in the way? Bury it!
This feels quite similar, albeit in a much bigger scale, to one of the projects I'm working on which is the remdial repairs to a viaduct section of the M8 motorway that runs through the North of Glasgow.
Questionable construction methods, when it was built, has resulted in the connections between the piers and the bridge deck severely corroded up to the point that the existing 4 lane viaduct is considered safe if it only support 2 lanes of traffic or less. The solution consists of a series of propped structure that transfers the load from the bridge deck and down to the existing foundations, which are in pretty good condition. However the works have severely affected traffic in that neck of the woods and it seems to have a prolonged construction programme which will likey to cause further delays.
Even though its a much smaller and less glamorous project, a brief video highlighting the solutions, and issues with construction, I reckon would be pretty interesting.
That triple cantilever section is crazy!! The engineering for that in the 50s/60s is astounding to me.
It's crazy to think this was designed and built in the 1950s. Back before computers, simulations, and without the last 70 years of advances in building materials. And it was designed to support a fraction of the load it has received over the decades - the BQE has taken an absolute beating, and it's still standing 70 years later! Truly amazing.
Kicking the important things down the road...so often what humans do to the detriment of safety and good economics...
Thank you, Fred and B1M.
A helpful addition to this video discussion might have been a brief recounting of how the city handled the 'replacement' of the West Side Highway. That goes back a ways, so younger viewers might have no real idea of what happened to that 'highway upgrade"
They should have built the Westway replacement for it, the WSH is such an obsolete deathtrap is is ridiculous.
@@johnathin0061892 As I remember, at the time the estimates were running about 3 billion and NYC was a bit short on cash in those days. I do remember driving on it before they took it down. I remember a Village Voice article at the time where they interviewed one of the major potential contractors and he said "I don't care what they want If they want a pyramid we'll build it." Funny how some things stick in one's head over the years.
It went from mostly elevated to ground level.
@@nathanieldaiken1064 It also went from a limited-access highway to a regular arterial.
If they had rebuilt the West Side Highway as a highway, it would have stop and go traffic for miles down to lower Manhattan. What they did works rather well. Ed Koch was right.
Americans don't necessarily love their cars, its just that the alternatives aren't great. Precisely because of infrastructure like this, people choose to have cars and live further from work and school. They compete with rail projects which limits the growth of the public transit network which again makes having a car a more convenient option. With more car ownership, there is more demand for car infrastructure. Its basically a self perpetuating prophecy.
Very much agree. "Americans love their cars" is an odd justification for a massive infrastructure project. Especially striking for a city where only half of residents own cars and many of those use public transit when they can. The 10 to 15% of traffic that is freight does need a solution, but fortunately that doesn't require 3 lanes in each direction. The car commuters would be much better served by transit, whether that is is rail, bus, bike, etc. New York has the best rail infrastructure in the country, with the subway, 3 commuter rail systems as well as Amtrak. Car infrastructure competes with transit for funds and space and often makes better alternatives less safe and convenient, slowing busses and endangering pedestrians and cyclists.
And all this ageing, crumbling highway infrastructure was built and public transit completely neglected when Americans did love their cars. Now in most cities we're stuck with single-mode transportation: cars only.
Oh trust me, we love our cars! 🚗💨
@@dlazo32696 I'm sure there are people in prison who love same sex intercourse, but there are also those who would prefer the opposite sex if they could have it.
@@Basta11 yooo! Haha
At 8:28, you show an aerial view of Interstate Route 280 in Newark, NJ (not the BQE). The historic Broad St. Station (Lackawanna RR, later Erie-Lackawanna, now NJ Transit) to the left of the highway and the 1710 Plume House to the right, which is where is celluloid film was invented.
epoxy coated rebar has been banned by many dot's because it actually corrodes much faster than uncoated. the problem is little nicks in the coating become nucleation points where the rebar corrodes super fast. galvanized rebar may be the answer since zinc is much tougher coating and is actually self healing where it gets nicked.
In the Netherlands a sort of project is finished in the city of Maastricht in the South. There an highway artery through the city (A2), was replaced with a double deck tunnel, with on top local road with trees and grass.
Perfect place for your imported diversity to conduct “peaceful” operations.
Would be nice, but in NYC that would take over 55 years to complete and cost 3 trillion dollars
@@k_schreibz3 trillion dollars in 55 years is incredible when you consider the fact that the military budget was increased by $700 billion between 2021 and 2022. Without assuming the growth in the budget that will happen in 55 years, with the current 1.5 trillion dollar budget, we will have wasted 82.5 trillion dollars on death and suffering, whereas 3 trillion to improve domestic life sounds quite nice
@@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd I mean, I don't want to defend the military industrial complex but it's not correct to say that 82.5 trillion dollars are wasted on death and suffering. The money doesn't just disappear. It pays peoples salaries and makes it back into the private economy as well.
@@twrecks6279 The entire point of a military is death and suffering, either threatening it, or carrying it out.
I really appreciate the effort you put in to covering the nuances of things like this instead of just defaulting to "government bad" like so many others
For real, especially since we have a culture of “govnemrnet shouldn’t be powerful or do anything”
The simplistic "Government Bad" attitude often ends up being a self fulfilling prophecy in America.
@@phyein4815 not by accident, either. There are a lot of powerful interests very determined to show government doesn't work by sabotaging it.
One of the worst things about America is how we want the government to be weak in public services while we want to continue to strengthen harmful institutions like the military and such
@@avacadomangobanana2588 the government shouldn't be too powerful though.
I always thought that NYs biggest long term concern will be infrastructure. With millions of people and no room to grow, it’ll be very difficult for any sort of road, subway repairs, rebuild/restore projects. Good luck with this.
Great vid! Voice is good to listen to, and good, story-telling footage (Even if the edits are a bit harsh, and too frequent, in places) ...
Roads are one of my interests.
Morning blessing Thank You B1M
You're welcome - good morning!
NGL I love driving along that Central section of the BQE, such incredible views of the Manhattan skyline. BUT, at most times of the day the traffic is brutal, and the potholes and bumps are even moreso. Pretty sure my suspension is outta whack bc of the BQE.
Best option is 3rd or 4th Avenues to get to the Brooklyn or Manhattan bridges. You can access the BQE heading East at Tillary Street. Crazy traffic but not much else can be done until the construction is done.
It sucks so badly. It used to be faster to take side streets until everyone got GPS in their phones. Plus the city taking away lanes on major streets for busses and bicycle lanes makes it even that much worse
I like the park idea. Also just make it two lanes for freight and small business trucks like plumber, repair, construction, etc
So you want to spend billions on shit only few can use? Elitist pricks rejoice!
And if anyone wants to drive a private automobile on it, they ought to pay at least a $50 toll because that urban space is extremely valuable and cars are already subsidized to no end
Do you actually understand the economic damage and traffic consequences of the idea that you are proposing? Like did you think about it for even 5 seconds?
@@vice.nor.virtue you know there are other ways of getting around a city than just a car right? Busses, trams, trains, bikes, walking. We destroyed our cities in pursuit of making them accessible as possible to the car. We need to start redesigning cities to a more human scale, not a city built for cars. A car is the least space efficient way of getting around a city.
@@pjcanfield8 Are you ACTUALLY joking me? I'm actually shocked that you missed the basic problem of the whole situation which is the millions of metric tons of freight that are carried along this route every day. There is clearly no other way of transporting all of this without causing paralysing gridlock for miles around.
My friend, you are the small-minded one here, and I declare this easily because I'm a Europian born in London and living in Berlin,- I don't even have a drivers license, yet i can see how important this highway is for transit of goods.
The cantilever is not the only problem with the BQE. Flooding is a major issue as well. The BQE is Brooklyn's other roller-coaster. Of the many ideas proposed, the BQP is the most attractive but also the least likely to succeed. Obviously inspired by the High Line, it would be a project on a scale the borough has probably never seen. It would be more difficult to produce than BB, MB and WB combined. The cost would be staggering, and even if it were to succeed, accidents and other problems in the tunnels would stress city resources in a way Brooklyn has not experienced. That said, taking a bold move to redesign the cantilever in this way would help future generations. And Brooklyn would get another park, though I loved the old waterfront. Gritty, dirty, abandoned. An eye sore. Beautiful.
BQE might be falling apart but B1M quality is definitely not...
Haha, thanks!! 🙌🔥
One of the things I found fascinating, when I worked at a building on it, was that 42nd street is repaved *every year*
Brooklyn as a whole would actually make a great topic for a video... I recently visited for the first time in a while and was quite surprised at how much it's changed and developed in just a couple years. It's finally starting to recover not just from COVID but from decades of bad urban planning. For example, there are tons of new properly dedicated bike lanes and a number of streets have been fully switched to one way a la Barcelona. I'm not sure if this is an intentional policy or more of a happy accident but I'd love to know more.
gentrification maybe
It's also priced out a lot of the locals and is being demographically replaced by newcomers alone.
@@realtalk6195 That's good, I think money makes for a better place. If you can not afford it, you aren't welcome. That's how it is and how it should be. We don't want poor people making the cities unsafe and dirty! Cities full of people with money makes for a much more beautiful and safe place. I am all for it, to push poor people out and bring people with money in, so that the city can be revived, by investing in it, you know restoring the crumbling buildings and replacing the dirty spaces with beautiful parks, streets, little shops/cafés and homes. Where I live, it is quiet, safe and beautiful with parks all around, I don't want to change that for the worse.
Hey B1M, would you consider doing perhaps a mini series on some new traditional architecture being built around Europe and North America? Anything in some traditional style, art deco, nouveau, classical, federal, etc. It would be interesting to see some new builds in these styles. Cheers, dude!
I really do like the idea of the multi-level roadway, it turns a geographic feature hard to utilise into an elegant solution to the necessities of traffic. However the state it is in leaves certainly A LOT to be desired. If this section can be rebuild to contemporary standards, I can see it being great.
It could be easily rebuilt but big cities love giving
public money to real estate developers that would easily cover the cost of a new bqe.
However, the country* it is in leaves A Lot to be desired. -ftfy
@@4149stonepony Just one more lane bro
@@matrixman8582 The BQE should be 20 lanes wide and it would still generate more taxes and numerous benefits for the public than any little bike person could ever complain about.
@@4149stonepony Yes, less land for property tax paying business and residents would totally generate more taxes.
I actually drove on the cantilevered section for the first time in my life this year. I usually go North (or, as it is maddeningly called, East) from the bridges, but accidentally went the other way. Getting turned around was a serious hassle.
The central section reminds me of the old Seattle Viaduct, which is now removed and replaced by a tunnel. Of course that project had it’s fair share of hiccups also. But the final results have been positive.
The underground tunnels idea reminds me of the Big Dig in Boston. Has the B1M ever done a video on that?
Thank you for sharing this city problem. I have to ask my family about the BQE.
The cantilever portion is even worse now that they have changed it to two lanes instead of three. It's always bumper to bumper. Most people going Eastbound usually exit at Hamilton avenue to avoid all that crappy traffic that just keeps getting worse.
Without this expressway, majority of our supplies will never reach the 5 boroughs. The only other way into New York will be through the Cross Bronx. This would disrupt logistics in Staten island, to how supermarket shelves are stocked in Brooklyn. The surprising part is that a faction of people want to demolish it, and the city still has no plan to fix it now.
honest question: can't trucks be partly replaced by water modals of transport in nyc and then use those small cargo trucks to make deliveries throught the neighborhoods?
See the other two replies. You're wrong I'm afraid. Would you not prefer a rail line and mixed use development along this alignment?
@@ext4sy.r1der27 it can not as those goods are delivered from out of state (NJ and further south or north) and it would not make sense for logistics companies to invest huge (and i can not stress it enough - HUGE) amounts of money into alternative modals. Also NYC would have to create the infrastructure to handle this new loads and oh boy that's gonna cost them dearly.
@@tomassakalauskas2856 You'd have to understand the geography of NYC. Nobody wants tractor trailors on local streets trekking up to Hunts point distribution to the Bronx. Nor can the bridges support or the city have room for slow moving freight rail.
@@ext4sy.r1der27 Most trucking comes from Distributors In Western Jersey and Pennsylvania. Of whom then have truck routes going to straights to New York. Please tell me where the water is in those regions and where are the ports in NYC to build it. The interstate highway system made the U.S. the biggest industrial powerhouse in the world. Why regress?
1:48 I have spoken to quite a few of my friends and they would not be driving if the public transport and zoning laws in this country weren't a joke.
Not everyone loves cars, many of us are using them out of necessity.
Tear it down! Replace it with bike paths, a metro line, and one/two lane for cars each direction. Green medians in between the roads as well.
Communist!
@@Evemeister12 No i’m just Dutch
I drive a truck on this road everyday m-Friday closing some ramps would help traffic immensely! Hopefully they get it back to three lanes sooner then expected.
There has been so much development going on in that area that I'm surprised the BQE has not been part of the "plan". Everyone wants to develop there but at the same time they don't want to accommodate for the regular people.
I'm a simple man, I see a new B1M video and i press like
Haha, thanks so much!
Before I discovered the B1M and Tomorrow's Build, I never thought I'd be interested in watching videos about construction. But these are all so well made and they highlight the good and the bad. They help show just how important these projects are. They help explain why it always feels like construction takes longer than it should. And hopefully, it helps people realize the need for these projects. So many European countries seem to have a better handle on these things while here in America, many leaders would rather not spend money on the things this country really needs. It would be nice if we could learn to prioritize better. More infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc. and less military spending and corporate tax breaks. We don't need trillions of dollars of new weapons every year.
The military budget only accounts 3.7% of the US gdp. To put that into perspective the UK is at 3.2% France 2.8% China 3.1% the US military budget is massive and grows because the US economy is massive and grows. But where I see the problem is simply lack of investments and to many ways money manages to disappear into the pockets of businessman etc. the system we have of fixing our infrastructure needs to be streamlined and updated to operate at full potential. The infrastructure bill is a great start too.
get your head out of youras and go look up actual statistics
We spend huge amounts on education and healthcare
We spend more amount per capita on education than many western european countries
We rank above many western european countries in road infrastructure rankings
You should seriously consider getting your head out of youras dude
Fascinating!
Would love to see you do one on the Cross Bronx Expressway!
That's bad too...but at least it's straighter and a bit wider.
Any plans for a Boston Big Dig style to replace segments of the BQE should also include provisions for a freight/commuter rail tunnel under the Narrows. You need to move the trucks off the road and have the cargo shipped in by rail. That would dove tail with plans for the Interborough Express to be extended into the Bronx cause you’ll need that new span into The Bronx so you avoid capacity issues with the Hell Gate Bridge. Voila!
I was gonna mention the IBX too!
Would they get a Bill Buckner Bridge too?
I'm not convinced that we shouldn't just get rid of it.
An option could be building tram lines in the center town streets so that folks take public transport to get into the city. That allows the subway some breathing. Also, we got to expand the rainlines so that folks from outside can go to the city by train instead of car. This will lower the pressure on the roads.
Most of the BQEs traffic isn't local to the point that a tram line would help. I should know, I travel almost everyday on it. A lot of travelers on the BQE head to LIE or Staten Island.
@@vokay staten island needs some more subway access. They should connect the SIR to Perth Amboy on the NJ Transit Jersey Cast line, bring back SIR north of St. George and maybe even connect that to 8th street on the Hudson Bergen line in Jersey City. That way the island can have some more direct rail connections to manhattan that dont require a massive tunnel or bridge to brooklyn/manhattan.
Of course the island just needs more rail or BRT/LRT service in general to get these people off the roads
@@seanharan9521 lol "some more" as if they have anything worthwhile now. Honestly, idk wtf is going in with Staten Islands Bureaucracy and politics that positioned themselves as such an outcast, but they need to start connecting themselves with Brooklyn and Manhattan (and not through an overpriced and slow ferry/bridge, as it'll boost local economy, and provide more housing.
Agreed. NYC needs to transition from personal vehicles to mass transit. And MAKE IT NICE AND SAFE so that people actually look forward to using it. With all the people spending $40,000 every 5 years on a car, if that were spent on mass transit this should be achievable.
Cars should be reserved for emergency/gov't, commercial uses, or taxis (which are expensive enough to not make it a problem). A huge chunk of metal for 1 person is such a waste of space and pollution.
@@vokay We’re talking about Staten Island. You really think all those people living in their bastion of single family homes want to be more connected to the rest of the city? They like it that way, they want to remain isolated on their island.
They don’t want transit because they feel undesirables/poor people will have easier access to Staten Island.
Why not ban road salt? We didn’t use it in Montana and don’t here in Colorado and both get more snow.
As a New Yorker I did not know that it was hated, I thought it was cool.
Think of the weight and the pounding this road receives on a daily basis it's unreal that it has gotten to this point.
This is not a problem unique to NYC, it's a nationwide problem and it goes far beyond roads. It's also water systems, sewage systems, electric grid, dams, levees etc... Much of what america has built is nearing the end of its life cycle. The road system in general wasn't built to handle current traffic loads, as a result American cities have congestion issues, it's not just that it's deteriorating.
I drive on the BQE everyday.
Its always congested now after they took away a lane around the Brooklyn Promenade stretch of the hwy.
It went from 3 lanes down to 2. The idea was, it would ease the weight and congestion. So there’s 2 lanes now and a very wide right shoulder.
This is NY, the shoulder is always used as another “driving lane”
Born and raised in Brooklyn and this is truly one of the WORST things about it. Tear this monstrosity down and build the park. NO TUNNELS EITHER. Invest in public transit and bike lanes.
Where would all the vehicles go off that proposal onto the narrow streets above. There will always be a need for highways for trucking thats how goods are transported from the port/freight yards to the warehouse to the grocery stores/restaurants to feed you and the rest of the city. Public transit only moves people around. There needs to be a balance on all forms of transportation.
@@branplore Urban freight rail. It's been done before. Dedicated lanes for commercial vehicles/buses. Congestion tolls for private commuter vehicles
@@matrixman8582 Ah yes the age old tradition of “punish the poor for being poor” and “the poor are to stupid to make their own choices so FORCE whichever choice you want on them”
All the poor people with cars will be forced to sell them for an extreme mark down. Either that or go bankrupt from tolls.
They did it when they removed street cars by jacking the rates all the way up and letting the oil industry buy large shares of streetcar companies and self sabotage the industry into bankruptcy.
And they do it again. Forcing the price of using the method of transport the poor are used to. Then become exorbitantly expensive.
@@AG-yc7vt Ok so no tolls and bring back the streetcars. Happy?
@@matrixman8582 the population is to big for street cars as the main option of public transportation
Would love to se some infrastructure projects happening in South Africa
They are too busy building graveyards.
Sorry, it isn't 1991 anymore, South Africa can't even manage to get enough water and electricity for their populace.
Is that even a country still?
I hope that cantilevered structure doesn’t fail like the Cypress Structure did in the 1989 Loma Prieta Earthquake. All but two of the lives lost in that quake were on the Cypress Structure when it collapsed, it was horrible and so tragic.
Was just going post a comment about how nature took out the two tiered section Cypress freeway structure, damaging the Oakland side of the Bay Bridge, the hideous San Francisco Embarcadero (also two tiered) and central freeways. The replacements a a huge improvements and added such beauty to what was previously there. Sad about the loss of lives. 🙏💜🙏
3:38 The top cantilever level is called the Brooklyn Heights Promenade, not the Brooklyn Promenade.
One More Lane Will Fix It.
The cantilever looks dope to me lmao if they updated it it would look even better it’s one of the most unique highways ever
Do you even realize that NY could have had the best public transport based on how dense this city is...
While fixing the road you could put a double track for trains alongside or above or under (whatever)... But ... imagine Americans taking a public transport... Based on what I read, Americans don't want to take public transport because it is used only by poor and homelessness...
The subway is generally used only by those who don't have a choice ...so to answer most people's inevitably next question, yes, there are several million people in NYC who don't have a choice.
Do you also realize that NYC already has one of the largest subway systems in the world 😅
SF did something similar when replacing Doyle drive with the presidio parkway. Tunnels that allow for uninterrupted green space above and traffic partially covered for a good portion of the roadway.
Fred Mills - the UK's version of Morgan Freeman. Such a calm and soothing voice!
It's interesting people are considering restricting trucks, but not doing the reverse - making it truck-only. People driving personal vehicles can use alternative modes for the most part (it's brooklyn and queens. trains and buses are absolutely a viable option, as are other arterial roads), but freight is tougher to reroute. If 10% of the traffic on the BQE currently is freight, is it reasonable to assume that restricting to freight-only means you would only need about 10% of the existing right-of-way? Narrowing the right of way would make the "Brooklyn-Queens Park" concept much cheaper to implement and still preserve the freight connection
People who live jn Brooklyn and Queens still want a viable way to get out of the city. In a realistic perspective, putting all that traffic onto local roads will just be diverting the traffic somewhere else. But in a utopia, I would support this idea!
I will never understand why you'd need to drive in NYC considering how interconnected and dense everything is.
@@ramenmcminecraft190 It sounds like a good temporary solution they can use while reconstructing and fixing up the urgent issues, definitely not permanent though
@@dauf69 if there was better transportation from outside of the city into Queens and Brooklyn then restricting cars would make sense
The MTA is a joke, I waited 2 hours for the bus on Sunday and it never came, so I had to take the car and drive to another stop the subway is the same service is horrible, it smells like rats 🐀 they never clean them, I have been here 20 years and zero advancement in transportation mode and they make insane money. I will drive my car until my wheels fall off lol.
Maybe they can reduce their car dependence?
Lol this is new york
@@Distress. Yes, the city with the most extensive subway network in the US. Which also is underfunded and crumbling away.
@@opalyankaBG People can, but material?foot?really?
I agree with you, but most NYers (both city residents and commuters)do take public transportation. However, the city lacks freight train connectivity of other cities, so you have heavy truck traffic on the streets and highways. Plus, the pandemic and issues with the aftermath of subway crime threw more cars onto the roads.
The option of a tunnel seems expensive, but might pay for itself if tolling or some other system of road pricing were introduced. It's amazing really that NYC doesn't have even a simple congestion pricing scheme yet! This must be inducing traffic and causing a hit to potential transit revenue.
Great video again B1M, but one thing that is so upsetting about all this is no talk of building other forms of infrastructure to alleviate highway congestion, something that is apart of literally almost every European city. You're right America has such a car-brained culture. America cannot continue its affinity for car infrastructure, it is the most inefficient, expensive, and sprawling form of transit, it displaces millions every year. It benefits absolutely no one as much as other alternatives like train, bus, bike, or walking do. No one is saying to return to horse and buggy days, with the learned failures of highways that robert moses built during the 1930's-1960's we can much better design our future. The car infested infrastructure that Moses left and the millions of new yorkers he displaced can be overhauled to a much people-friendly future. I saw someone in the comments suggest that Americans and automotives go hand in hand, they don't they are a product of American capitalism and insane billions of dollars of lobbying from car companies in the 1st half of the 20th century. The US can change its repetitive detrimental planning habits. How about funding the MTA better, taking note from cities like Seattle, and demolishing the freeway in its entirety, it frees up space for public parks and more affordable nonmarket housing that new york desperately needs at least 50% of so private rentals have to compete with non market housing, take a look at vienna. There is a concept called induced demand that people mainly apply to freeways in the way that "adding another lane" to a freeway does not fix traffic it only induces demand. That concept relates to all other types of infrastructure from trains to bikes. If we build cheap-to-build quality biking infrastructure then more people would bike. If we build more subway lines that connect more people like highways do more people would take transit, freeing highway space for those that truly have to use a car.
I used to be scared af to travel thru the BQE. Now I’m even more scared knowing that this has not being maintained to keep safe for commuters and commercial traveling. This would be something they need to address immediately. So I would vote to shut it down. This will temporarily force commuters to seek other transportation methods and reroute the commercial freights. But it’s for the good of the travelers thru BQE in the future.
I got a change to cycle on part of the BQE as part of the annual TD Five Boro Bike Tour. That is an event where roughly 30,000 cyclists travel through all 5 boroughs in a full loop starting near the World Trade center complex, up 6th Ave. Through the park, through parts of the Bronx, Queens. Over the Verrazano Narrows bridge, across Staten Island and back with the ferry. Sign up is in early January and sells out super fast, with the ride in early May. It's a once in a lifetime way to see the city. You get to ride on sections of roads and bridges to take in views that are normally only accessible by car. It's interesting to take in the sites from these structures at cycling speed vs. heavy NYC traffic. When I did it, we got in line around 6 am, and passed roughly the same spot in the evening around 6pm. I like to joke that it's actually at times a terrible bike ride, but the worlds best cycling experience. When 30K cyclists are all trying to get going, massive slowdowns happen. Seeing this video brought back the amazing memories of riding on it 15 odd years ago. Thanks for the informative video
Great video ❤️👍
Thanks!
I had decades of traveling from points south to visit family in Eastern Long Island. Occasionally I used the BQE, but it was much less nerve racking to go out by JFK, using Southern States parkway, and then cut across up to the North Shore. Just driving in normal circumstances on the BQE was more stress than I needed.