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Bro... If u don't have a Mistake Tracker then... how are you supposed to make progress???? remember: "You only learn when you stop making the same mistake twice"
We learn and progress by fault. It is from our mistakes that we learn. The bigger the mistake the more you learn. While winning and success is a great healer, failure is a great teacher. It takes courage to risk failure, in fact fail, learn from the failure, and then try again. Do this and you will be a man my son.
@smhollanshead I've discovered more Beauty during failure personally.
Sam makes the same mistakes over and over and over again. If only millions upon millions of kids had died during COVID I WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT.
Sam is an example of someone whom wants “experts” to be in charge. In reality, he is little more than the reincarnation of Trofim Lysenko and 100’s of millions to billions would perish in his quest to descend into the depths of darkness to reach a higher point of “good”
@@thegoatstore7814 you are a lucky man.
@@smhollanshead exactly, I talk about this in detail in my video, and on the many variables a mistake tracker should have
No, it is a practice… it’s easy to do what’s wrong, it’s hard to do what’s right… unless you practice good, then it’s your nature… the “there are 2 wolfs in you, the one you feed wins”
“Easy to do what’s wrong”
Like leaving your husband so you could sleep around with guys like Andrew Tate. Like his daughter did.
Jordan Peterson should give advice to his street walker of a daughter and spare me. My father is 1000x better man than this guy could ever dream of… he may not have as much money, but at least my dad doesn’t have a prostitute for a daughter.
@PatRisberg agreed… I think, if I understand correctly, then yeah…
If good is a myth...wouldn't bad also be a myth? If that's the case, nothing is off limits. I think we are hard wired to know good from bad. Sometimes the wires get crossed and we cross the line between good and bad. Everyone crosses the line from time to time. Try as we might to stay on the good side of the line.
It's a tough pill to swallow but i sincerely believe there are some lessons you just have to learn first-hand, and that requires you to step over the line. Whether you knew it was there is less relevant at that point.
That being said, there are some lessons you just kinda know, isn't there?
I never understand why people comment on videos without watching them.
That's the point being made. If good is a myth, their is no "line to be stepped over." No God, no good...@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489
If “good” and “bad” are both “myths,” as you put it… why would it make a difference? Why would “nothing be off limits?”
Myths are truths with a metaphorical and/or narrative bent. We are also “hard wired” to respond to myths and archetypes… to such an extent that we actually structure our lives to resemble or reenact them.
Everything written in words is a myth. What I'm saying right now is a myth, only feelings are part of reality (but only an illusion of reality becuse I'm saying it in words)
Sometimes it seems like part of the usefulness of the religious framework for morality acts as an antidote to potentially going insane trying to define precisely what good is.
If you want to define Good on the Aspect of God's words look at the Ten commandments.
@@codylarkhart261Even then. That was to a specific people, in a specific place, in a specific time, for a specific purpose. If you don’t know those things, they can cease to be applied correctly. One of the main issues is that the remedy and system of adjudication on those was very specific. Which was sacrifice so one can be clean again, and a hundred other things in those lands and times. Then you have to square the gospel against that if you are Christian. Which is fine, but it alters the practice. Or go with one of the hundred Judaic exceptions to that Doctrine.
I mean. The Ten Commandments are a good start. Frankly.
I agree with the initial proposition: your qualification seems to be ingenuous.
@@chickenmonger123 If I remember correctly, It was not Only Jews that escaped Egypt with Moses. I don't consider myself a follower of a specific religion But I do believe we are all Children of God, which is outlined time after time. The story of the Disobeying of God rules (Ten commandments) and the people's worship of idols(Golden bull) and materialistic things is prevalent and evident to this present day and age. Marriage has no meaning to many people, Adultery and divorce is at an all time high, Killings with no second thought and of gruesome Nature run rampant, Lies are considered truths. The Commandments are good in creating foundation and principles for one's own self in determining the truth about Good and Evil. Some people are raised thinking Doing Bad is all there is and do not know any better. Some are raised with the misconception that doing bad is the only way to live on this earth.
@@codylarkhart261 For those of you who may have forgotten what 10 commandments are, here's an updated version:
#1 No gods before me.
#2 No graven images.
#3 Don't use god's name in vain.
#4 Take 1 day off per week, and honor god, again.
Is it just me or has god used 40% of this list to talk about himself? Seems a little narcissistic to me.
#5 Be respectful to your parents. Sounds good as long as your old man isn't a drunk who beats you up when he's drinking.
#6 Thou shalt not kill. Yeah, this one sounds pretty good.
#7 No cheating. Sounds pretty good if you want to keep the family unit intact.
#8 Don't steal. This one sounds pretty good, too.
#9 Don't lie. Yeah, that one is also good.
#10 Don't covet. Hmm, sounds a bit like a thought crime. Where's my Minority Report?
I don't know what you guys think, but it seems to me that god missed a pretty big opportunity to lay down a few more clear rules, in addition to numbers 6-9, on what good and bad look like, instead he decided to babble about himself, your parents(abusive or otherwise), and a thought crime.
Sam trying to rebuild his career after saying it was necessary to subvert democracy so Trump would not win the election. #TDS
he has too much faith in central planning... but he seems to be learning.
Sam 'Wow, the Communists really have some smart ideas, let's give them a try' Harris?
I love hearing Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris have these sorts of discussions. ❤
"Goodness is the only investment that never fails" ~ Henry David Thoreau
It only doesn't fail if you're being good in a good environment, I've genuinely received nothing but torture for exhibiting my goodness.
@@dominusbalial835 I’m sorry that happened to you. I wonder if deeds goodness are like seeds, soul seeds that take a long time to mature, in ourselves, and others. Though I’m not involved with any one denomination, I read Job years ago and it’s now starting to make some sense. I also wonder about why Steven Kings novels are so popular. Perhaps because they, albeit unconsciously, allow us to have a sense of gratitude.
Anyway, hang in there man! Keep doing good regardless. The caldron of hate full up these days. 😜🙏🥂
I could be wrong but I think there was a misunderstanding between these two. I believe Jordan sees our current religious models as good approximations for a universal truth that can be seen amongst all lifeforms throughout the universe. Sam sees our moral models as potentially singularly unique to Earth and this dipping into the valley to reach a higher peak would lead us to stripping away our humanity for something entirely foreign and alien but potentially better than what we currently have
You nailed it.
that's the thing, jordan always leaves us speculating, i never understand precisely what's his position because he jumps between topics and tries to use indirect approachs with a logic that's hard to follow, most of the times i get what he means (i believe) but i don't finish to understand how religious he is
Sam, your arrogance is always stunning to me when I hear you speak about religion.
Yeah, I think Sam is suggesting we should let go of some things that hold us back as a species, like religious dogma. Once we're 'freed' from those shackles, what we find could be beyond imagination. Not sure I'm buying what he's selling there, but there's something to letting go of some of the thinking that holds us back as a species. I still think the problem is that there' appears to be a massives difference in the definitions of good and evil depending on where you are, culturally speaking, in the world.
The reason why I don't agree with Sam's take though is that, how would we be able to rank something as better, as humans, if it's outside of the human experience? As in, if we strip ourselves of our humanity, as humans, what remains? Isn't it just a processing unit, and what's beautiful to a computer? He should at least clarify how the minds we have are beyond human because that's the only way his idea seems to work.
I believe the reason why Sam could come up with such a point of view is because he probably doesn't think that the best outcome is always the most beautiful one, which I heavily disagree with, because the best must always be justified as such. Either that or he's not convinced humans can tell what true beauty is because it's not found within us/amongst us, such that we would have to escape the human experience to identify it which is entirely inconceivable, as in, how do we understand this experience without having it first broken down into human sensations? If we can't perceive it how do we tell it's beautiful?
Sam is making it clear that inherited wisdom including that of religion has great metaphoric value, but it is not clear from this that JP agrees with him totally or that he has a more literal interpretation of for example the bible.
Way too westernized philosophy; go East as Jesus did during the 18 years He was absent from the Bible. Relativity is our comparative existence. Go within as Christ stated, the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. God, Truth and Beauty cannot be intellectually understood in the mind. It must be experienced in the heart. From the black mud of the river bottom, the Golden Lotus blooms.
I both agree and disagree with Sam. 1,000 books may contain great value but the holy books also have such focus from some of the greatest minds across time so that one or those few books will contain vast wisdom absorbable on countless levels. Not to mention the peripheral reading that it invites.
Dr. Peterson, I’m an atheist and I’d love to get your opinion on 1 specific topic: Animal suffering
The reason I’m an atheist is because I can’t imagine that a good God would create predation as a form of population control of sentient beings.
All it takes is one google of
“Zebra getting it’s face bitten off by crocodile” or
“Zebra having it’s genitals eaten off by hyenas” or
“Impala getting eaten alive immediately after birth”
To realize that reality is HORROR for every sentient being that wasn’t born human. They’re eaten alive gruesomely for hours on end while they’re conscious and if a God exists - it’s his plan that they suffer and die like that. Quintillions of sentient beings have died on our planet by getting eaten alive. And in my opinion claiming that a good god exists is basically ignoring the reality of nature.
you have a very loose definition of sentience.
@@matthewfurlani8647 Sentience is subjectively experiencing the world.
I have a problem with thousands of animals that are alive and subjectively experiencing the world getting eaten alive daily in unending agony as “God” intended.
Do you care at all about their suffering?
The problem of suffering (human or animal) is a very common objection.
I believe there are a few things which must be spelled out first.
When it comes to Christianity humans are made in the image and likeness of God. Animals are not. This makes humans infinitely more valuable than any animal. It also means that, unlike other animals, humans have a unique ability to rationalize and use their will either to server God or to disobey him. God also appoints humanity to be the steward over nature.
Unfortunately, humans have chosen to disobey God and which ends up damaging the relationship between God and man, man and woman, man and nature, and man and animal. From this we can also see that disobedience to God/doing wrong has consequences not only personally and immediately, but also communally and into the future. From that point forward we live in a fallen world where there exist natural disasters, cruelty, etc
I would say claiming this is "God's Will" is not an accurate assessment. It's His will in the sense that He desired humanity have free will, but it is not His Will that we abuse this freedom to do evil and it is ultimately the result of choosing disobedience over obedience
@@definitelynotsarcasm Wow… You just put the value of your existence and the people you love over EVERY other living thing in the world.
And then you basically ignored the fact that animals are getting eaten ALIVE in absolute agony in the TRILLIONS as…
“Well Eve ate a piece of fruit so…. Now we live in an imperfect world.”
I’m dead serious, go WATCH the UA-cam video of a zebra having his face bitten off by a crocodile and tell me how “God is good”.
@king… animals are not humans. Your problem is that you think that a Zebra cares. They don’t. A Zebra doesn’t have a traumatic breakdown and pops 47 painkillers when something bad in their life happens. Animals know their place on this planet, humans are probably the only living things that don’t know their place. Zebras don’t have the brain power you believe they do. You believe a Zebra is equal to a human in every single way, you look at wild animals like they are from that movie Madagascar. You think they are human-like. They aren’t. Nothing goes through their brain but survive and procreate. That goes for the Zebras and the Lions, but they both have to do it in different ways. Domesticated animals are NOT the same as wild animals. Your dog and a wolf are nothing alike, no matter what dog food commercials say.
Good brings peace.... Evil brings suffering.... It ain't rocket science boys...
God is the origin of love, truth, goodness, and beauty. We all seek these things because it’s a good thing. Love, truth, beauty and even happiness is obtainable if we appreciate what we have instead of focusing on what we don’t have. Each soul is a diamond in the rough. Thank you both. Will continue listening later. Ciao ✝️❤️
This whole conversation is lost on me. Between all this metaphor, analysis of stories and Sam Harris' slow, inconcise method of speech that I don't even see when the "is good a myth" question was even answered.
Have you met a middle-aged philosopher with no hobbies and a menopaused woman?
Omg perfectly described “slow inconcise method of speech” always found it so confusing and plain annoying
well jordan didn't make it easy either by pushing so much with old stories, you see that the more people advance through their path the more narrow they become in a sense, it's very difficult to get them out of their boxes, even when they seem to be wise and open minded, their tendencies gravitate towards their interests and beliefs. i didn't watch it completely but i enjoy the back and forth, i see good points in both of them, and i don't ever end to understand just how religious jordan is, does he go to church? does he believe in the miracles of jesus? because i always see him arguing for the wisdom of the stories and for the divine and transcendent nature of reality that's all around us, which doesn't seem religious necessarily, a buddhist could hold the same views, a random psychedelic person could hold the same views, so i don't see where the religion part intersects his narrative beyond his obsession (which i don't critique) with ancient biblical stories and their interpretations. i didn't hear him refute sam's critique of dogma, so i assume he kinda agrees? i'm not sure
@@OP-lk4tw Has it ever occurred to you that they aren't talking to one another, but at one another? Stop deifying these mental midgets.
No, good is not a myth. But a good man or woman is indeed a myth. Even Jesus said " Do not call me good, only the Father is good." While Jesus was in the bodily form of man, He inherited our sin and that is how He took that sin to the cross and saved us. If Jesus himself is not good while in the form of man, how is anyone "good"? Our righteousness is as filthy rags without Christ, never forget that.
I see two things in the way of Harry's illumination.
The idea that the Bible talks about God (it doesn't)
And the fear to get lost.
In order to find God, you must get lost.
The bible (old testament) does not talk about God.
William Lane Craig demonstrated the logical incoherence of Sam Harris’ moral landscape in their debate over a decade ago. Jordan Peterson and others seem unaware, or are pretending that it never happened. That’s deeply annoying.
Too dismissive
@@marcognudi664 what is too dismissive?
@@marcognudi664 Do you think you've provided anything of value with such a meaningless statement?
@@tchristian04He doesn't actually know, he just wants to pretend he debunked you with only a two-word sentence about nothing
Depends on what side your on.
The other question is, how do you know is right?
You do not, or is it?
God given free will, you can be led only to the door. What`s after that, is up to you.
Good luck.
Take care.
God bless you.
I found the evidence for goodness only in the face of evil.
Thats exactly why both exist.
Beauty, truth and goodness need each other or they become anomalies and eventually monsters. An eternal divine mind is the glue that holds them together.
Evidence please
What a question, Sir . The opposite applies too so. Good prevails no matter what but it needs to be more dominant because Evil is dominant nowadays , that a all, we need to be good. At least it gets to a balance, wouldn t be perfect but we need more good of course. And good is being good to people simple as that, emotions are emotions
Complicated discussion
If good is a myth then having a preference is a myth.
No thanks. Don't need this in my timeline. Don't waste the time, effort or thought on Sam.
Great content! The wilderness can be a scary place to be if your lost, alone and have no sense of direction. Thank you Lord Jesus, for being the light of the world and showing us the way. 🙂
Perception!!!!
@@lincolnstovall9471JC personifies the methaphorical jewel talked here.
I didn't enjoy this Interview so much. I felt like Sam was looking at all of Christianity as a Catholic Dogma, he might benefit talking to Jonathan Paguea about Orthodox Symbolism.
Ehh... Orthodoxy in the places where it's supposed to be most sacred- exists with no honor
And thus means nothing in this world
Even orthodoxy. Maybe not the religion itself, but the church, 100%. I am a serb from herzegovina krajina and Montenegro, my mom is from sarajevo. We didn't have shit, our people are selling eachother out and selling their own blood out as a result of this money and material world. I have been on the hook my whole life bro. When I tell you it means NOTHING because there is no honor behind it that is a fact... Maybe not the holy trinity.. That's something which exists I think with or without the Bible the church and even orthodoxy itself.. Because it's just one part of the mathematical understanding of life.. From one perspective..
My dad always told me, it was the Greeks who poisoned Car Dusan. I think it was women or them yes, or both. He said they were the first wave of enemies. They wanted to keep the church in power and they wanted us out of it BECAUSE we are brave and don't give a damn and give a damn at the same time care and not care and never ever changed, and have sight and honor because we are special because we are serbs, falcons. The same homosexual bastards who instead of living a life of not giving a fuck and believing in yourself and never forgetting what joy is, and killing for the littlest things too mind you.. And being BRAVE!!!!!!!
Sam doesn't even know that another religion besides Catholicism and Islam exists. he thinks he heard someone say 'jewey' something or other a while back, but he couldn't investigate it further because he saw a man wearing a red hat and the pee running down Sam's leg told him that THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY so he ran weeping back to his Biden basement where he does nearly all of his 'interviews' now.
Such concise elegance in philosophy... It is soothing to me.
Colossians 2:8 KJV
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
@@timetravelcaptain "See to it that no one TAKES YOU CAPTIVE by philosophy and EMPTY DECEIT, ACCORDING TO HUMAN TRADITION, according to the elemental spirits of the world, AND NOT ACCORDING TO CHRIST."
You seem to be suggesting that everything regarding and/or associated with philosophy should be immediately thrown away upon its identification, which is an extremely radical claim and must be thoroughly defended
My view is God=Love, and Love is that which connects us to each other…whenever we are able to reach out and connect with other beings, even only for brief moments. “Satan” = Evil, that which seeks to separate or isolate us from other beings. So, certain attributes of our behavior can fall into one category or the other…selfishness vs altruism. Things can influence us one way or the other, does one’s accumulation of wealth cause you to be paranoid and selfish and mistrusting or does your wealth encourage you to share and assist and take care of others. Finally, there are individuals who bring us together or works to divide us. Perhaps this is too simplistic but it is how I can understand the presence of Good and Evil in the world.
Wich God ?
@@dodumichalcevski The God that is beyond human attempts to describe the Divine…for for some humans, their very attempts to define and own God, their (false) claims to Truth, turning books of wisdom into False Idols (worshipping the Bible, for example)…all this is a form of evil and a bastardized Christianity or bastardized Islam or Hinduism or Jewish tradition…whereby dividing humanity into Us vs Them is the main goal. Scripture tells us that God will separate the wheat from the chaff, but far too many “religious” humans are stepping up with pointed fingers and killing in God’s name for their own human reasons.
DUDE YOU GUYS JUST HIT ON THE BEST SHARED ANALOGY IVE BETWEEN YOU TWO IVE SEEN YET, THIS IS PROGRESS, what a beautiful metaphor for life
We need Jesus to go before us into the darkness. Jesus walks with us , so in our weakness His strength is seen
If we went into darkness alone, the evil would engulf us
That stern look in your thumbnails transmits a wrong impression of your personality.
You are a softy, an emotional guy, not a hard man.
Not your fault and not a fault at all- who gets to chose ones personality traits anyhow? but those thumbnails are simply misleading
Five minutes of Sam rambling and I'm just fazed. What's he talking about. If he thinks that's deep then nah.
The common denominator is their positive input. They share positive, harmonious and productive qualities.
The quality of qualities is experienced either positively negatively. Hamoniously or dissonantly. Beautiful or ugly. True or false. The problem is always with our distorted and imperfect points of view. Theoretically there has to be an ultimate viewpoint. The perfect place of wisdom and perspective from which ultimate reality can be perceived, but by definition, this is God's own viewpoint, and will always be far beyond our own lowly viewpoints. We as a species seem to know that no matter who or where we are, or how clearly we think we can see things, there's always going to be a higher, truer, more objective perspective than our own human limits will ever allow us to glimpse.
Have you seen the way you see? Have you viewed the way we view? Have you looked at the way you look? Have you perceived perception?
Then you mention sum of all, its a big difference, then you brutally calculate together numbers like apples. For there is a fixed amount of apples you can pour into a bucket. If you would add the same way liquids you should also mind their density, because they have space between itself as well. So filling different kinds of fluids, you can get a different number, based on how much you poured in and how much is the end result. Because some of the space inside the fluids was used multiple times. Its perhaps better expressed with the Yo Ho Ho Ho meme of Three circles. One Circle being the pirates; the other being rappers and the third being Santa-Claus. God could be the same kind of concept/reality/Identity for us. The same is true about the concept of Good.
The moral landscape cannot be modeled without empathy on one ridge of the saddle and wisdom on the other ridge. The valley (a nescessary descent) is best described as, the shadow of death.
Yeah and that has nothing to do with a god
Lol. Jordan just doesn't get it. I don't know if he ever will.
God is Good. That's a given. As in, all goodness proceeds from God. Therefore, even Self Control proceeds from God, and is a gift given by Him. The point of the Christian Doctrine, is that the LORD is the one Who makes us good through sanctification. We're fallen into sin, and need redeemed by God, through the sanctification of His Holy Spirit. That's the power of the ministry, is that we are enabled to do good.
An atheist, the best they can do is only given to them by God's authority. So, even if they do manage to do Good, it was a gift from God all along, therefore, by not acknowledging God's enabling Spirit for the good work, you reject the Spirit, and that is blasphemy.
Yes, God enables people who aren't Christian to do good... but as Christ says, anyone who doesn't enter through the narrow gate, is a thief and a liar.
But, that is what hell is, is the total depravity of a man, and the insufferable pain one would have when separated from Him. Hell is not just physical or mental pain, but moral pain as well. It's the human being, separated from all good. Be it love, joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, self control, goodness, faithfulness, patience... all good things in a man proceed from God and His Holy Spirit, that by rejecting His Son, you reject His Spirit, and therefore, can only diminish and wane into more depraved states, or remain stagnant. And thereby, when you die, to be separated from God altogether, because you rejected His power, and He'll give you up into the state you so chose.
A discussion with Prof. Sam Harris about God makes as much sense as asking a deaf person about music or a blind person about colors. His knowledge of basic spiritual issues is not zero. It is well below. What I mean is. -This man, created a spiritual Chooch in his mind and sells them to the curious public as God. And since the audience of the vast majority is not interested in spiritual matters on a daily basis, like a pelican it swallows this nonsense as truth and claps. Prof. Harris, along with other spiritual brethren such as Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and the late Christopher Hitchens, have collected these Himalayas of nonsense about God, put them together in the shape of a Chooch and are selling them as God. -They dig and box this mystification mercilessly until sparks fly. In the process, they think they are killing God. And God as He was is, and always will be.
IMO Good is the absence of Evil. Any religion may have elements of both good and evil. Religions are a human construct that should be for the purpose of leading to a closer personal relationship with (Good) God, Allah, The Creator, Supreme Being, on and on. And through this relationship there is learning the path toward Good and the path away from Evil. Given that Religions are a human construct they develop certain Dogmas that may or may not help identify the path to Good. For this reason these Dogmas may become a distraction from the path to a better relationship with The Creator (Good). Therefore Religion should be viewed as a means to an end rather than an end in itself. Focus should be on a personal Spiritual relationship with God/The Creator.
Any person can make malice out of any written word, tradition, or culture. Where do we derive our morals and ethics from, in this present time in history? From religion? From opinion...indoctrinated into our minds from parents, friends, or academic institutions? How do we know the difference between right and wrong? Is it prevalent in the movies we watch, the games we play, or the news we digest?
I believe that without religion, 'good' is a myth. With no Heaven of Hell, premising the dichotomy of good and evil, both become mythical and open to interpretation of each individual, at specific interactions or scenarios. How can we discern good and evil with no reference to either? The short answer...we make up our own.
So after a millennia of deciding what we discern as being good or evil, others join our tribe, adopting those same discernments. And as the tribe grows, this discernment is passed on from generation to generation, not knowing that point in time where this discernment was made. Consensus of good and evil are accepted through more generations until someone decides to document them...to write them down...to teach others of their believed discernments.
And out of these writings forms a semblance of organization, institution...religion. Writ by men, from long ago, passed on from others who are merely myth and/or legend themselves. To me, this is a better story of how we enlightened ourselves, through these 'religious' teachings...to be who we are today...and we are losing that part of our moral and ethical makeup now.
If there is no God, good or bad are just a matter of opinion. Good or bad are not a matter of opinion, they are a fact of reality. Therefore, God does exist.
Now, when I say God, I'm not speaking of a religious portrayal of God which contains much errors: unloving teachings and illogical statements. I believe God to be different than that, in my experience God is a much more loving and perfect being.
It always seems like Sam thinks the issue of religious thought cheapens intellectual endeavours especially when it comes to the judeo Christian worldview.
He refers to the possibility of other species and possibility of higher consciousness that are yet to be discovered. And tells us to focus on our own neighbourhood ( the here and now) and we will eventually evolve and get better as we go on so we should stop worrying oursleves with the subject of God.
Only problem is its the subject of God - that seems all else is defined through. God is the pinnacle of all existence, there really is nothing that pushes our limits like the issue of God
Sam Harris is superior intelectual to many but he just does not have intrinsic understanding for universal values and I think thats his personal trait, thats the reason for his antropocentrism. Advantage Jordan Peaterson has iover him s his enormous experience with people and his natural universalism combining those two oposites he creates space for inter play of ideas. hes basically using two different brains for development of his ideas, Harris inst able to do this because his personal trait overlaps with his experience in some kind of infinity loop which blocks his inteligence in certain manner hes to antropocentric and thats basically a limitation most simillar to any ideology. Peterson is rethinking Ideas all the time and hes pushing the narative because whit out it he would imediatly loose all arguments. How is that different to religious dogma. In the same manner a religious person is bound to idea that god exsist, he is bound to the oposit one that god does not exist. I always wonderd if he recognises the irony of the term Atheist, it basically does not exist whitout God, so if you paradoxally base your identity on something that you dont belive to exist is bad place to be.
Concerning the subject of good and bad behavior by humans ... they are not myths.
The dogmatic subjects of humans being tainted with evil or with holiness ... ARE myths.
"Good" is subjective. We think it's good to use the huntings system to regulate the grizzly population. And perhaps it is. But for the grizzly who is being hunted just so his head cam hang on a wall....
Well, if you want to go down that rabbit hole… the moose that would have hit its head ripped off by that bear now gets to live… so whose life is more important? The bears or the moose? If it’s bad to kill a bear, but the bear would kill the moose, is it bad to kill the moose?
If I’m bad for killing a bear, wouldnt that make the bear bad for killing a moose? So if the bear is bad, that makes me good for killing the bear… but killing is bad. Vicious circle.
@@josephsmith2417 I think that ultimately, there really is no such thing as good or bad. It's all about survival in the end
It Is easy to understand that God exists.
What is life?
Life is an algorithm that tries to overcome all the dangers in the universe. That means the goal of life is an Almighty being ruling over the universe. Revelation 1:8 explains the goal of life.
Atheism means to be against life.
Atheists make no sense to me😅
This was a waste of time. It should go as such. "Is GOODa myth?" Answer: "No." Have a nice day. Don't believe me? Live like it. Bet you won't. Done.
The concept of good can be subjective or various. However do Palestinian life matter for Christians or for Jordan Peterson? Or this issue alone is rationalized by foreign policies?
There will always be bad people that use powerful things as weapons to commit evils. A powerful enough word is not much different than a sword. To critique religion on its ability to be used as a weapon is not a well informed argument.
Yes, Sam that's right, King Arthur doesn't affect people like the bible. Correct.
Where did Sam get his intuitions about what is good, I wonder?
🤣🤣🤣that the new exciting word myth. Absolutely blinking hilarious. God is nothing but a myth. Even my not the brightest mind let's say knows that's bs
Actually Sir it's a good question ..but it's simple it's the fury of God
A better question. God predominates/dominates in women or men?
As soon as he starts using terms like higher and lower, ascending and descending, in relation to values and ethics, he steps into the Religious world.
There is no higher and lower in a purely material world, surely?
How can we determine what is worth doing when we don't put things into value?
@@lightborn9071 Exactly!
But you can't get those values from a materialist viewpoint.
"You can speak of the ethical foundations of science, but you cannot speak of the scientific foundations of ethics."
Sorry Jordan you can't help Sam his mind is closed to truth.
😂😂😂
@@dodumichalcevski I agree, Harris is hilarious. His takes on Trump align intellectually right with Kathy Griffin. Have fun defending your little tin god.
The library of Alexandria has been mentioned so many times not here specifically. I smell BS. There aren’t any lost or new ideas.
I do not see or define God as being all Good , it is a myth that God is Good , it comes from Plato and is continued by the pope , there is great danger in God and it is demonstrated via extremism
Good is not a myth
What was the function of the protein that was first coded by RNA or DNA from which a selection could be made?
Not a vital one😂
...the 'good' of our existence, is no myth, He is just out of our physical reach, for now.
People taking things from the Bible out of context to do evil is a common reason for atheist to say who is this evil God? We are commanded not to evil in God's name for this very reason.
Are things evil because God dislikes them, or are they evil and thus God dislikes them?
@@garrettvantiem4637 Always. Keep in mind that love always protects. This is why there's judgement and punishment. That's why manslaughter (accidental killing) is not the same as murder. (Planned killing)
@@garrettvantiem4637 God hates evil.
@@suggesttwo So, evil is something entirely separate from god?
@@garrettvantiem4637 cold is the absence of heat, darkness is the absence of light and evil is the absence of God.
Whom Can We Trust If No One Is Trustworthy?
One of my favorite quips from Mark Twain’s The Adventures of Tom Sawyer is when Tom is defined as “a glittering hero…the pet of the old, the envy of the young,” and there were “some that believed that he would be President, yet, if he escaped hanging.” With these few words, Twain captured the essence of leadership in our world. Those who get to the top are the fiercest, most determined, and most ruthless. Today, the latter quality has become so intense that we can no longer believe our leaders, and certainly not trust them to have our best interest in mind.
I am not accusing any leader in particular, or even leaders as a whole. It is simply that in an egoistic world, where people vie to topple one another on their way to the top, the one at the top is clearly the one who trampled over and knocked down more people than anyone else. Concisely, to get to the top in an egoistic world you have to be the biggest egoist.
So how do we know whom to trust? We don’t know and we cannot know. All we know is that we are in the dark.
In a culture of unhinged selfishness, any conspiracy theory seems reasonable, while truth is nowhere to be found. When every person who says or writes something is trying to promote some hidden agenda, you have no way of knowing who is right, what really happened, or if anything happened at all.
The only way to get some clarity in the news and goodwill from our leaders is to say “Enough!” to our current system and build something entirely independent. The guiding principle of such a system should be “information only,” no commentary. Commentary means that information has already been skewed. Information means saying only what happened, as much as possible, not why, and not who is to blame and who we should praise.
Concurrently, we must begin a comprehensive process of self-teaching. We have to know not only what is happening, but why we skew and distort everything. In other words, we have to know about human nature and how it inherently presents matters according to its own subjective view, which caters to one’s own interest. To “clear” ourselves from that deformity, we must learn how to rise above our personal interest and develop an equally favorable attitude toward others. This is our only guarantee that our interpretation of things will be even and correct.
Once we achieve such an attitude, we will discover that the bad things we see in our world reflect our own, internal wickedness. Our ill-will toward others creates a world where ill-will governs, and so the world is filled with wickedness and cruelty. Therefore, all we need in order to create positive leadership-and to generally eliminate ill-will from the world-is to generate goodwill within us. When we nurture goodwill toward others, we will fill the world with goodwill. As a result, the world will fill with kindness and compassion. By changing ourselves, we will create a world that is opposite from the world we have created through our desires to govern, patronize, and often destroy other people.
Confronting the evils of the valley to acheive a greater good doesn't make one evil; it makes them righteousness confronting evil. The greatest task one can aspire to.
_Being_ the evils does.
It's the same shit, whether you guys like it or not. Humans are made of greed
Jordan, you're adopted the Rogan model. Get a guest on to interview then you talk all the time.
The eastern mindset does not hold God as the highest category , in Taoism for example they have the idea of the TAO which they claim is Older than God , beyond good and evil . The Buddhist’s idea that captures me in my eastern learning was the idea of if you see the Buddha on the road kill him , taken as a mental state of experience to conflate that vision with a God would be deemed detrimental to someone who desires to attain Tao , No thing
I find Peterson to be terribly lope-sided when it comes to his heavy leaning on western Philosophy and religion at the expense of the eastern philosophy and religious systems .
I fully agree that truth is to be found in the place where we least want to go. I suspect if men spent much more time with their hands in dirty dishes, dirty laundry, and dirty diapers they would come to very different conclusions about what is important in life.
If a person doesn't help others or even thinking other people just his self its bad
Remind of the name of this one movie where Death speaks to his granddaughter.
About grace, mercy, love, justice. "You must believe in these lies to be true; how else could they become?"
I’m sorry…this just isn’t helpful…
Classic psycho babble
THOSE OF GOD WILL TAKE TO HEART WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THE FATHER:
Jesus said “He that heareth my word, and believeth on *him that sent me, hath everlasting life,* and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” In Isaiah 45:22, God the Father says to “Look unto me, and be ye saved…for I am God, and there is none else.” Jesus said I can do nothing of my own self (John 5:30), meaning WITHOUT God. In Isaiah 44:24, God said “I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth by MYSELF.”
However, Jesus said the Father that lives in him, HE does all the works (John 14:10). In Isaiah 44:6, Jesus speaks on behalf of the Lord of hosts, which is the Father…and the Father says through Jesus that “I am the first and I am the last, and beside me there is no God.” Jesus also said in Revelation 1:8 that both him and the Father are alpha and omega, and both are called ‘Lords’ but for different reasons, just like they have different roles. The Father is the only God and Jesus is our only savior; we must know them both (John 17:3).
Harris’ neck has grown by around 15%. Dude is jacked.
Forget the books for a second. What does your heart tell you about God?
Myth makes it possible to believe in solution without necessarily fully realising the solution in one's own life. Myth builds a world. In contrast, critique aims to undermine myth: myth proposes, critique disposes. The fallacy of our time is to think that critique can take on the role of myth. It can't. Critique never makes the breakfast. It can only frame judgments about the quality of the breakfast. Nobody lives outside myth.
Jordan B Peterson and Sam Harris really should read the Quran.
It was just getting good! Where’s the continuation???
Sam is actually talking about the holy spirit with the peaks and valleys. Its sort of a sinewave between 4 poles the top and bottom of it heaven and hell, and the alpha and omega as left and right brain or christ consciousness and sacred heart as the other. Jung knew this in Aion. Hey Sam welcome to a religious plausibility with the bible as your operator's manual. Starting to like the guy more. Great convo
🧙♂️🪄💨 Most things are perspective based.
It’s always funny when I hear “using our 21st century view” like we don’t do way worse things to way more people, just for the next generation to see the clear flaws in our own generation
Propaedeutic:
(of an area of study) serving as a preliminary instruction or as an introduction to further study.
You can have a Propaedeutic Myth.
That will be a preliminary introduction to the concept of Good and Evil.
He talks about collective wisdom over the ages, while at the same time denying any collective wisdom, it's just endless "conversations" that lead in endless directions.
I said once, that everything that happen could be broken down too good, it just depends how deep you can go before you cut your limits
4:30 I understand this point to mean that maybe because the evolutionary path another lifeform in a galaxy far away, for example, took was different from ours, they may have ended up with a different shape that allowed for a different understanding of morality to emerge in them. The thing is though, that would have to open up a conversation into whether that which made humans more competitive here on earth, in essence, is or isn't what makes life forms more competitive in general. Also though, maybe this only covers the issue of life forms that got to this point through evolution.
"Good"... :) Миллиард китайцев вполне так считают и не волнуются так.
In order for progress and growth to happen, destruction has to happen.
Destruction and growth go hand in hand at any scale on any spectrum
This weed is squirming. He's been ousted big Time
he is using machine learning local optima analogy
We really haven’t gotten anywhere since Plato
Can a narcissist believe in the Christian God?
Who is this and where is the full interview?
JP is tangling and entangling the story so much , it is almost as his word fighting is a means to an end to confuse you.
Wasnt that hard to follow.... He was exploring the idea and investigating another thoughts. If you are going on a journey, you cant travel in a straight line the whole time -> that would be plane ride not an adventure.
@@aaronlatif52 not a problem with the adventure but all we got is utter suffering where there is no answer to anything.
There might be a kingdom of God , no one can say for sure. There might be a reason to suffer in this plain , no one knows exactly why.
We exercise in gyms to become stronger , we all die decrepit and fucked up.
We learn only to forget everything.
Humans inherently have no future.
One stupid shit could land us into dark ages again.
Maybe the AI should take over and find a way to incorporate us into global neural network.
@@lovelife1867 I dont have that much suffering around me. I work hard and support those around me. There is abundance and the miracle of life - watching my neices and nephew grow up and develop brings me much joy.
Sure their is suffering but there is not only suffering. Fuck the budda, fuck the dao, fuck christianity. You gotta find what works for you and I think you can find better then bitching and being all doom and gloom on the internet.
The answer to everything is simply experience and awareness. There is nothing of value that we can tell outside of it, so maximize it -> which in my opinion means developing relationships and providing value to others -> we seem to be social creatures and for the most part feel more secure and happy being with and being for others.
Im good on being an infant (at least for the moment) so take your AI dystopian away from me.
@@aaronlatif52 You suck because your explanations are just polyanna and you follow that light school of no thinking ,just enjoy .
If you were born behind the iron curtain like me , you would see the gloom and would be ready for the new war at any time.
"You gotta find what works for you."
Motherfucker DEATH works for me, but I will make sure I don't go alone or for no reason.
You got money ? I want it. I want to take it and not let you enjoy it. Or your kids. You understand ? It came to the point I hate anyone that has fun or anything because of the disbalance. There is no fairness and fair game in this life so I will play as dirty as possible.
This is why your pov won't work. Because there are people like me . And we are coming for answers.
The large Meteor or a Supernova, them wiping us out entirely those 2 things aren't evil.
If G-D is “good” then how could he not only create evil but also promulgate it?.
Isaiah 45:1-7,
A “good” person who stands by watching the atrocities of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol-Pot, Et cetera who says & does nothing Not only consents by their silence to such atrocities but also *PARTICIPATES* in it as well.
Not so much a fan of the evil side but the other side? Isn’t really selling its side as something that I want to adhere to, advocate or follow-on as well
Sam is unpersuaded because Sam doesn't want anyone including God to tell him how to live... And don't throw Islam into the same box as Christianity or people who call themselves Christians ither... You can call yourself a Christian and still live like the devil... Jesus said you will know them by their fruits, not by what they call themselves...
There is a thin Line between Good and Evil, In a society where Bad behaviour is excused and rewarded, And Good behaviour is dismissed as being dull and unflavoured without reward as the social narrative would make one to believe.
yet interestingly, it takes a villain to manifest the need for hero.
Like leaving your husband so you can sleep around with guys like Andrew Tate… objectively evil.
Didn't Sam die an intellectual death?
Cell Phones are Bad😢
Polarity- good bad god devil. Balance,equilibrium is sought!
Good and evil are discerned. Our senses must be trained to discern them. On the other hand, God IS love. Perfect love. Understanding this will take every one of us our lifetime into eternity.
The marvel lies in the creation of values, emphasizing their inherent significance. The challenge arises when we perceive them as diminished merely because they are constructed. However, the true miracle rests in the initial act of value creation, highlighting the profound nature of human capability in shaping meaningful principles and beliefs
The "World" and the "Universe" are not the same. God created the World, the world is where we live in.
I should be helped, I do not want to do bad things, but being killed over and over again makes me want to do bad to people, society should give me what I want, but they want me to solve it all on my own after being put into pain and misery, repeatedly punished and told I am very bad, no one wants to confront suffering or horrible people, they only want to tell me to be better
That’s the only option you got sometimes, better or worse. Don’t hold on too tight
no one "should" help you society shoudlnt give you what you want.
You learn to negotiate first, then the answer is ... maybe.
Sam Harris isnt an intellectual.