We just got an hsd from you guys about a month ago and are loving it! It has seriously changed our life! Anyway, I still enjoyed watching this review because I’m all about e-bikes now 😊Thanks, New Wheel!
I've always been interested in a Stromer ebike but I feel for how expensive they are that they should definitely come with a handlebar that should be able to be adjusted to a more upright position, a front suspension fork and a suspension seatpost because here in the US the roads are not always phenomenal and when you're on those long rides these accessories are what make the ride smooth, comfortable & good
You can spec yours with front and seatpost suspension no problem. The handlebar is set on the st7 but can be adjusted on Stromers other models like the ST3 and ST2
This bike has 750W and 52 Nm motor, which does not seems very high. How is it going perform on steep San Francisco hills with many streets being around 20-24 grade, not to mention the Bradford street near your San Francisco store which crazy 41% grade!
Great question. Hub motors can get a bit bogged down on super steep hills if the rider is not able to put in extra power to keep momentum which is different from a mid drive engine. That being said, I think you will be quite impressed by performance. There is more to on road performance than the simple specs of the motor: it comes down to battery voltage, controller specs and more. A test ride is the best way to be able to fully appreciate the performance and know how it will work work for you. Please stop by!
Hello, thank you for the detailed explanation about this Stromer e-bike. What a fantastic bike this is. Love from holland. The best country for biking in the whole world. No Cars only cycle paths
How heavy is it? What is the actual range? What brand of battery is used? What is the motor torque? What is the motor brand? What is the wheel size? What is the suspension travel? Who makes the fork? What frame sizes are available? What class is the bike? What is the warranty? Where is it made? Who retails it in the GVRD?
Hi @jjlad5037 , * 75 lbs bike weight * 70+ miles range at maximum assist. 100+ miles if you turn down motor assistance. * Battery - Tier 1 supplier. For reference, our 7yr old ST2 with 4k+ miles has over 90% capacity. * Motor has 52 Nm torque. It's a rear hub motor so if you maintain momentum it will take you up hills. * Motor will quickly get you to 28 mph with little effort. This thing flies fast. * Wheels - 27.5 x 35 * Suspension - Made by Wren. I don't remember the exact travel, but it's been a game changer for us here in San Francisco. Almost every customer purchases and are glad they did. Pavement quality isn't always great here. * Frame size - (M) 44.9cm, (L) 50.6cm, (XL) 55.4 cm * Class III * 2 year warranty (10 year frame warranty) * Global supply chain to Bern, Switzerland to our San Francisco service center for final assembly. * Can you elaborate on GVRD?
Hi! Nice video. I would have liked a little more emphasis on the Pinion SmartShift innovation. Low maintenance is great. Huge range is great. Shift at standstill. But an explanation of the automatic downshift when one comes to a standstill, the different modes (comfort, sport and auto) would be great. Hopefully you'll get to it in a future video. BTW my full option Dark platinum should arrive sometime in February! Can't wait!!
Great video, very informative! I have a few question about the bike. How do you change the oil on the bike? I got different answers from pinion. The technical product manager told me it's the same as the C-line but their social media said it different and there are specific for the smart shift system. Can you clarify how it's done and what those steps are? What bike locks do you recommend to go with the bike?
We’d recommend an Abus bordo in most places but perhaps an Abus dual bolting u-lock in higher theft areas. As for oil changing on the Pinion, our techs have not gotten their hands on the new bike or tech manuals so we can’t tell you this yet. There is a way though!
Looks incredible. The Pinion gearbox is very intriguing. I wish my Multicharger had that option. Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be a true car replacement, for me, given the limited cargo capability. I might have missed, but did you state the payload?
Stromer has upgraded the rear rack to take up to 55 lbs. You can hold two x-large Ortlieb with so much stuff! Not quite as spacious as the Multicharger but honestly extremely capable for most of the time. And if you need more space you can add a trailer!
Thanks. I saw the rack capacity is 22.5kg (50 lb) on their site, but I still have the question re: total payload the bike can support. For example, the rack on the Multicharger supports 65 kg (140 lb), but the bike payload (GVWR) is 175 kg (385 lb). After accounting for bike weight (70 lb) and my own weight I’m left with a max of 65 lbs to add on. No doubt the ST7 is a capable performer!
@the new wheel - It looks like the specs on the motor is 940W on the Stromer site. However, depending on what page you look at, it says 940w (US 750w) in some places. Is the motor being de-tuned to the 750w, or is this a different motor, not the SYNO Sport II, or is it just 940w and no need to worry. The ST5 on the Stromer site also indicates a US 750w rating. Thanks for your help... and great video!!
Good question. Wattage is a funny thing to measure as it is all over the place depending on how you are riding. In the US our regulations don't really specify peak wattage versus nominal wattage. So when companies advertise wattage they will often make it higher or lower depending on marketing versus compliance. The truth is that Stromer motors continually offer wattage of around 500-600watts but they peak much higher. But 750watts sounds better - since that is the legal maximum in the USA - and 940watts sounds even better in Europe since their legal maximum is undefined as far as I know. The truth is that the motors probably peak at around 940watts but run at a lower wattage most of the time.
Great video. I currently ride Aventon (upgraded from a previous brand). I just found out about Stromer today and probably like so many other people my thoughts were. "Wow, this thing looks insane, I love every aspect of this... except the price." I cannot for the life of me justify that price with the salary I make.
02:02 I'm sorry to brake the news, but Stromers aren't particularly made for hilly terrain. Their motor is not made for hill climbing, they are made for riding at high speeds on flat terrain. It can surely do that, but it is also the reason why three quarter of all motor failures happen. If you wanna climb hills, you'd better look for something with a Bosch motor, those are much more suitable for that purpose.
You are right that extreme hills are not where Stromer is strongest. That being said, most hills are not all that extreme and if you are a relatively strong cyclist, a Stromer is fantastic. But if you'd like to ride super easy up very steep hills, a Bosch bike may be more of the ticket.
This new bike seems insane, however I'm concerned about the efficiency in low temperatures. That's what happen to me right now in Switzerland with my ST3. Basically the power output in winter is considerably lower. That's at least my personal experience. When you ride more than 30kms to work it's a huge downside in the winter.
I live in Colorado and my commute is 30 miles round trip. I commute year round and have ridden in as low as 17 degrees and my ST2 (Gates) performs no differently that it does in summer. The range takes a hit but not the performance.
At that price and apparently the one “we all have been waiting for”, I will be ordering one for each and everyone of my close and extended family. Just hoping that the sale of my car and apartment goes through to finance this purchase. Yes and to rephrase again “kind of insane”. And last but not least, the anti theft system is so great, that this bike had been stolen from one of the presenters.
These are incredible machines. If I had the dough burning a hole in my pocket, I'd be on one. I feel though, when I'm riding my human-powered-only bike strictly for pleasure & training on the bike trail on the lake front in Chicago -- I feel like the ebikes shouldn't be on those bike trails, but increasingly they are. I'm not at the point where I want a spike strip thrown down in front of them, but I forsee a time when ebikes/speed-limited-motorcycles & non-ebikes will need some mutually exclusivity, at least on the lake front in Chicago and I suppose elsewhere.
@@snorttroll4379 Yeah. Normal bike brakes wear out super fast and are sensitive to dirt/contamination. And you have to use force to use the brakes. Regen is loke infinity brake boost. Barely any force (a button or magnetic switch) and you have strong braking.
Take 2. I'm looking at Karen riding this Stromer in this aggressive posture. I notice, it doesn't seem relaxed and fun, like I saw her riding the Specialized Turbo Vado SL a few years ago. A couple of more things. Because this Stromer is 'a pretty penny,' and fluorescent in color, wherever you ride it in The City, it's going to attract the wrong attention. What's also noteworthy, the likelihood of getting a flat tire somehow, always exists. Especially in The Bayarea. Though this is the finest location in the world, for some reason designated bike lanes tend to accumulate all kinds of debris. So if you get the ST7, be prepared to change that rear tire. Unless of course, it's perfect.
Sports mode broke after 16kms in 32 ambient today and I was being SUPER slow, as if that's possible. This thing is over-torqued (52nm) and its motor "air-cooling" (!) flaw is now getting very effin annoying. After 2300kms I expect it to have run-in and all firmware limiting to be cancelled. To my mind it's not even fixable. You cannot drill disc-brake type air-holes in the motor casing cos of the rain. You either live with it or stop every 20 mins for a 30 to 60 minute wait with battery out of bike to cool down. Those illegal (in Switz) Revolution XX and Stealth bikes now seem quite attractive. 15000 francs for 20 minutes of fun and then 70 more of struggling (when you get to MY age) because S-Mode is not available is commonly known as a con. I have a new name for Sports Mode:- 'Crippled Mode'
What a beautiful bike, this would be my dream bike... But I'll never buy it, very expensive and where I live, this bike is considered moped (like anything over 250 Watts and 25kmh pedal assist only) and requires insurance, road tax, motorcycle helmet and is not allowed to use in bicycle lanes (just a stupid law, what can I say)... for now, Im ok with my cheap ebike, Im already breaking the law when the 250 Watt motor is helping me up to 30kmh 😅😮
Hello. Not hey. Thank you. Rude way to open a discussion. I’m in my mid seventies. I was taught to not say hey. When I said hey I would get a reply straw. Straw is cheaper than hay. Corny I know. Excellent videos. Best on the BoobTube.
We just got an hsd from you guys about a month ago and are loving it! It has seriously changed our life! Anyway, I still enjoyed watching this review because I’m all about e-bikes now 😊Thanks, New Wheel!
How many miles can you get range this bike?
I've always been interested in a Stromer ebike but I feel for how expensive they are that they should definitely come with a handlebar that should be able to be adjusted to a more upright position, a front suspension fork and a suspension seatpost because here in the US the roads are not always phenomenal and when you're on those long rides these accessories are what make the ride smooth, comfortable & good
👌🏼👍🏼
You can spec yours with front and seatpost suspension no problem. The handlebar is set on the st7 but can be adjusted on Stromers other models like the ST3 and ST2
Why would you build a ‘super bike’ without an adjustable handlebar height?
This bike has 750W and 52 Nm motor, which does not seems very high. How is it going perform on steep San Francisco hills with many streets being around 20-24 grade, not to mention the Bradford street near your San Francisco store which crazy 41% grade!
Great question. Hub motors can get a bit bogged down on super steep hills if the rider is not able to put in extra power to keep momentum which is different from a mid drive engine. That being said, I think you will be quite impressed by performance. There is more to on road performance than the simple specs of the motor: it comes down to battery voltage, controller specs and more. A test ride is the best way to be able to fully appreciate the performance and know how it will work work for you. Please stop by!
Hello, thank you for the detailed explanation about this Stromer e-bike. What a fantastic bike this is. Love from holland. The best country for biking in the whole world. No Cars only cycle paths
So jealous! Someday it will be like Holland here!
Having lived there I agree! What concerns me is the rampant bike theft, especially with a super expensive bike.
@@thenewwheel Yes, but then you will have a beard in about 60 years. And ladies then have a lot of wrinkles.
How heavy is it? What is the actual range? What brand of battery is used? What is the motor torque? What is the motor brand? What is the wheel size? What is the suspension travel? Who makes the fork? What frame sizes are available? What class is the bike? What is the warranty? Where is it made? Who retails it in the GVRD?
Hi @jjlad5037 ,
* 75 lbs bike weight
* 70+ miles range at maximum assist. 100+ miles if you turn down motor assistance.
* Battery - Tier 1 supplier. For reference, our 7yr old ST2 with 4k+ miles has over 90% capacity.
* Motor has 52 Nm torque. It's a rear hub motor so if you maintain momentum it will take you up hills.
* Motor will quickly get you to 28 mph with little effort. This thing flies fast.
* Wheels - 27.5 x 35
* Suspension - Made by Wren. I don't remember the exact travel, but it's been a game changer for us here in San Francisco. Almost every customer purchases and are glad they did. Pavement quality isn't always great here.
* Frame size - (M) 44.9cm, (L) 50.6cm, (XL) 55.4 cm
* Class III
* 2 year warranty (10 year frame warranty)
* Global supply chain to Bern, Switzerland to our San Francisco service center for final assembly.
* Can you elaborate on GVRD?
@@thenewwheel ...GVRD...Vancouver Canada. Thx for the replies.
Reckless Shipyards e-bikes in North Vancouver, BC is one retailer in the GVRD.
Hi! Nice video. I would have liked a little more emphasis on the Pinion SmartShift innovation. Low maintenance is great. Huge range is great. Shift at standstill. But an explanation of the automatic downshift when one comes to a standstill, the different modes (comfort, sport and auto) would be great. Hopefully you'll get to it in a future video.
BTW my full option Dark platinum should arrive sometime in February! Can't wait!!
Noted. We do think a pinion specific video is in order.
Is the battery removable so that it can be charged at home? (5th floor)
Yes! It has a keyless lock to to remove the battery.
Great video, very informative! I have a few question about the bike. How do you change the oil on the bike? I got different answers from pinion. The technical product manager told me it's the same as the C-line but their social media said it different and there are specific for the smart shift system. Can you clarify how it's done and what those steps are?
What bike locks do you recommend to go with the bike?
We’d recommend an Abus bordo in most places but perhaps an Abus dual bolting u-lock in higher theft areas.
As for oil changing on the Pinion, our techs have not gotten their hands on the new bike or tech manuals so we can’t tell you this yet. There is a way though!
how much does it weigh please ?
It is around 70 pounds.
Hoping mine arrives soon!
Us to! They are on their way from Switzerland we are told
How much you paid
Looks incredible. The Pinion gearbox is very intriguing. I wish my Multicharger had that option. Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be a true car replacement, for me, given the limited cargo capability. I might have missed, but did you state the payload?
Stromer has upgraded the rear rack to take up to 55 lbs. You can hold two x-large Ortlieb with so much stuff!
Not quite as spacious as the Multicharger but honestly extremely capable for most of the time. And if you need more space you can add a trailer!
Thanks. I saw the rack capacity is 22.5kg (50 lb) on their site, but I still have the question re: total payload the bike can support. For example, the rack on the Multicharger supports 65 kg (140 lb), but the bike payload (GVWR) is 175 kg (385 lb). After accounting for bike weight (70 lb) and my own weight I’m left with a max of 65 lbs to add on. No doubt the ST7 is a capable performer!
Too bad that the locked handlebar design prevents the use of innerbarends for an aero position or any change of handlebar :(
@the new wheel - It looks like the specs on the motor is 940W on the Stromer site. However, depending on what page you look at, it says 940w (US 750w) in some places. Is the motor being de-tuned to the 750w, or is this a different motor, not the SYNO Sport II, or is it just 940w and no need to worry. The ST5 on the Stromer site also indicates a US 750w rating. Thanks for your help... and great video!!
Good question. Wattage is a funny thing to measure as it is all over the place depending on how you are riding. In the US our regulations don't really specify peak wattage versus nominal wattage. So when companies advertise wattage they will often make it higher or lower depending on marketing versus compliance. The truth is that Stromer motors continually offer wattage of around 500-600watts but they peak much higher. But 750watts sounds better - since that is the legal maximum in the USA - and 940watts sounds even better in Europe since their legal maximum is undefined as far as I know. The truth is that the motors probably peak at around 940watts but run at a lower wattage most of the time.
@@thenewwheel Thank you so much for the quick reply. You are awesome. !!!
"If you're a person who enjoys sporty sports." Adorable and accurate at the same time!
Great video.
I currently ride Aventon (upgraded from a previous brand). I just found out about Stromer today and probably like so many other people my thoughts were. "Wow, this thing looks insane, I love every aspect of this... except the price."
I cannot for the life of me justify that price with the salary I make.
There are nice upgrades - and really nice Stromers - that are not nearly as spendy as the ST7. If you are in the area come in and test ride.
02:02 I'm sorry to brake the news, but Stromers aren't particularly made for hilly terrain. Their motor is not made for hill climbing, they are made for riding at high speeds on flat terrain. It can surely do that, but it is also the reason why three quarter of all motor failures happen. If you wanna climb hills, you'd better look for something with a Bosch motor, those are much more suitable for that purpose.
You are right that extreme hills are not where Stromer is strongest. That being said, most hills are not all that extreme and if you are a relatively strong cyclist, a Stromer is fantastic. But if you'd like to ride super easy up very steep hills, a Bosch bike may be more of the ticket.
would love this in a mini cargo bike version like the tern with the same drive train. will add more practicality. will be the perfect bike!
That's a very interesting idea!
That is such a cool bike 👍🏻
Could not agree more
Mine is ordered.
In dark titanium
This new bike seems insane, however I'm concerned about the efficiency in low temperatures. That's what happen to me right now in Switzerland with my ST3. Basically the power output in winter is considerably lower. That's at least my personal experience. When you ride more than 30kms to work it's a huge downside in the winter.
I live in Colorado and my commute is 30 miles round trip. I commute year round and have ridden in as low as 17 degrees and my ST2 (Gates) performs no differently that it does in summer. The range takes a hit but not the performance.
At that price and apparently the one “we all have been waiting for”, I will be ordering one for each and everyone of my close and extended family. Just hoping that the sale of my car and apartment goes through to finance this purchase. Yes and to rephrase again “kind of insane”. And last but not least, the anti theft system is so great, that this bike had been stolen from one of the presenters.
Indeed my ST2 was stolen, but I got it back thanks to the integrated GPS tracking.
Great choice! We would recommend keeping your apartment though. You can do pretty much everything on your ST7 but you definitely can’t sleep on it!
These are incredible machines.
If I had the dough burning a hole in my pocket, I'd be on one.
I feel though, when I'm riding my human-powered-only bike strictly for pleasure & training on the bike trail on the lake front in Chicago -- I feel like the ebikes shouldn't be on those bike trails, but increasingly they are.
I'm not at the point where I want a spike strip thrown down in front of them, but I forsee a time when ebikes/speed-limited-motorcycles & non-ebikes will need some mutually exclusivity, at least on the lake front in Chicago and I suppose elsewhere.
Very nice, but it's hard to understand the value proposition. Seems like it's overpriced by around 40-50%.
Especially since they’re leaving the US market
front fender is useless. it should extend all the way to the ground. also a totally enclosed fender/ wheel works better.
regen is huge. must have for any EV/ebike.
remind me again why it is important? is it because you dont have to change pads often?
@@snorttroll4379 Yeah. Normal bike brakes wear out super fast and are sensitive to dirt/contamination. And you have to use force to use the brakes. Regen is loke infinity brake boost. Barely any force (a button or magnetic switch) and you have strong braking.
@@snorttroll4379 Also with basic regen, the wheel cannot lock since the braking force drops with decreasing wheel speed.
$13,20O US dollars for that bike in that color. OMG. Message me if you buy one.
Beautiful bike
This bike is 13 GRAND. Cool though.
Take 2.
I'm looking at Karen riding this Stromer in this aggressive posture.
I notice, it doesn't seem relaxed and fun, like I saw her riding the Specialized Turbo Vado SL a few years ago. A couple of more things. Because this Stromer is 'a pretty penny,' and fluorescent in color, wherever you ride it in The City, it's going to attract the wrong attention. What's also noteworthy, the likelihood of getting a flat tire somehow, always exists. Especially in The Bayarea. Though this is the finest location in the world, for some reason designated bike lanes tend to accumulate all kinds of debris. So if you get the ST7, be prepared to change that rear tire. Unless of course, it's perfect.
Sports mode broke after 16kms in 32 ambient today and I was being SUPER slow, as if that's possible. This thing is over-torqued (52nm) and its motor "air-cooling" (!) flaw is now getting very effin annoying. After 2300kms I expect it to have run-in and all firmware limiting to be cancelled. To my mind it's not even fixable. You cannot drill disc-brake type air-holes in the motor casing cos of the rain.
You either live with it or stop every 20 mins for a 30 to 60 minute wait with battery out of bike to cool down.
Those illegal (in Switz) Revolution XX and Stealth bikes now seem quite attractive.
15000 francs for 20 minutes of fun and then 70 more of struggling (when you get to MY age) because S-Mode is not available is commonly known as a con.
I have a new name for Sports Mode:- 'Crippled Mode'
is one the coolest if is not the best i ever seen but the down set of the baike is two expensive that’s all
14,000.00 $$$ 🤦🏼♂️
If you don’t have the budget we’d recommend an ST2 or ST3. Still fantastic, useful bikes but without some of the bling.
Buy 2 Vespa 300cc GTS
What a beautiful bike, this would be my dream bike... But I'll never buy it, very expensive and where I live, this bike is considered moped (like anything over 250 Watts and 25kmh pedal assist only) and requires insurance, road tax, motorcycle helmet and is not allowed to use in bicycle lanes (just a stupid law, what can I say)... for now, Im ok with my cheap ebike, Im already breaking the law when the 250 Watt motor is helping me up to 30kmh 😅😮
It's a great bike, but way too expensive for the American market. At 14,000 USD, there are far better options like Himiway or Biktrix.
It's not for everyone, for sure. The ST1 or ST2 are the entry models but still offer incredible performance and ride dynamics versus lower end models.
This bike is hideous.
Hello. Not hey. Thank you. Rude way to open a discussion. I’m in my mid seventies. I was taught to not say hey. When I said hey I would get a reply straw. Straw is cheaper than hay. Corny I know. Excellent videos. Best on the BoobTube.