Phil mickelson was the tour’s golden boy for 20 years when he got them ratings. Strange as soon as he joins LIV Tour, his skeletons come out of the closet. 🤔
Didn't you see he was being investigated by Sec . It's also been known he gambles too much for years . He WAS loved because he signs autographs more than Tiger .
@@vbeard5887 Exactly!! So why the hysteria over this one? This should be like any other tour that players can choose to play. It’s the money. The PGA has the monopoly on the big money and prestige. Not a true textbook monopoly but you know what I mean. They Own golf, and this reaction is 100% due to greed unless I can understand what else it could be.
God you guys are stupid. They are suspending players bc all pga tour pros are members of the pga and they all sign rules and regulation’s. Just like pros that play on the European tour and other events.. They all get releases from the pga signed to play on the other tours. If they don’t get approved and play. They get in trouble. Same thing with LIV. And those who went. Went for one reason. Money. The pga has declined any waivers from the start and people playing in the league. So they all knew what was coming. The pga has made it clear what will happen. And I’m glad they are doing it. LIV is rookies golf with no true competition to be the best. All who went threw their pga legacy away
Love the PGA Tour talking points being spewed everywhere…”Sportwashing is my favorite.” What did they call it when the PGA Tour threw all sorts of money at players around the world to lure them to play on the PGA Tour, basically relegating the European tour and others to second rate tours…
There is the PGA Tour, PGA of America, European Tour, The Asian Tour, and now there is the LIV Golf. Hope they all compete for the best talent with both money and innovative approaches. Golf needs change to grow as it has been declining for a decade. PGA Tour is threatened because 6/8 tournaments are in the US.
Worst thing. Some people are too steeped in the "kool aid" or lack basic critical thinking skills. and will actually regurgitate this garbage in real life. Thinking the PGA "talking points". they got from the "PGA owned network". Could in some bizzaro universe, accurately and objectively illuminats whats REALLLYYY going on. In a multi faceted issue. That requires the distillation of many perspectives and viewpoints. Hmmm. What reason could they possibly have to tell you a tory that makes them look good. and the others bad... hmmm. what motivation indeed? As for silly poeple regurgitating this trash. Happened to me the other day. someone kept saying. "philanthropy" "History" to which i responded woth. you mean tax write offs and racism? cool my guy.... high five... it was... simply Dissapointing.
Golf Channel Proper Response -- WE have a financial interest in ensuring the PGA Tour does not go bankrupt, therefore we will be biased in our reporting in favor of the PGA Tour
@@googplunger Keep dreaming ... Top 15 players in the WORLD are still on and most likely staying . They are MEN with a set of balls these other girls don't have . Go play a 3 round , shotgun start , team oriented pussy game . The last guy they have that won on PGA tour is a 52 yr old . That says everything ...
He might have creditability if he actually won a few more tournaments himself. He was an also ran all of his so called career. He criticize players that have out played his pathetic results by a wide margin. Another useless talking head.
This just sounds like a Monopoly that feels threatened by its competition. For players that are struggling to make TOP 50, why not allow all of them to join another league to get their confidence back along with some monetary gains. You think players want to go play in the minor leagues (Korn Ferry Tour)?. By allowing players to go overseas, it would expand the games popularity and grown the game of golf exponentially.
@@lucasquinn5344 Unless you're spending your morning protesting at your local Wal-Mart, I would save your breath. You say you don't want them taking blood money, why not hold anyone accountable that does? Why just 1099 contractors? You do realize PGA has granted releases to players to play in S.A. before, don't you? Any outrage their, or does the fact that they're making more money now bother you? Like any other glut, PGA hates what they can't control.
Listening to the golf Channel along with the PGA commissioner make me want to see LIV Golf succeed. They say it's a sad day and that tells me it's a very bad day for them. Get over yourselves and let's celebrate the game of golf. Bunch of haters you all are.
Agreed, the more this gets blasted all over the media and trashing these players for going where the money is makes me want to watch only the liv tournaments and the majors. I've played golf since I was 12 and am now 63, the only thing I watch on TV is golf. I'm done with anything PGA. Long Liv Liv......
@@kc72186 agreed they are so desperate to trash the league and call it irrelevant as more.and more golfers are leaving. 5 solid us golfers have signed on for the second event per reports
Yep, it's Brandel's job to protect his employers interest, investment and association with the PGA Tour. Of course he has nothing good to say about LIV Golf and will do everything within his power to trash it so he remains gainfully employed with the Golf Channel.
Brandel is probably pissed they didn't come to him for a 40 to 70 percent pay increase. Let's just keep there moral standards in perspective. I choose freedom of choice. PGA needs to get their house in order. The commissioner is in way over his head. Damn I could do his job. Sheez
@@markrolofs8866 alot of players wanted to see what it was like and how it would do. The rave reviews the players their are giving it more and more will be joining. Pga tour will be changing there tune once more leave.
This guy is so upset because Liv jeopardizes his job as a sleepy golf reporter for pga. I honestly don’t see any higher moral on this person than on Phil.
Brandel doesn't work for the PGA Tour, he works for the Golf Channel, who are free to talk about any golf event on any tour. Don't think is job is in too much jeopardy.
Yes, it was nice to have it on youtube. And the team format was a breath of fresh air. Felt like it gave it a bit more pace to the whole viewing experience. Something always seemed to be happening.
@@65g4 "The best" in your opinion. I'm not here to debate that but I am here to say that LIV is exciting because its streamed on UA-cam. So, essentially free to watch. Plus its a much needed overhaul for the game. That's my opinion. LIV appears to be taking away the "pompous" from golf and making it fun for everyone. Because if Tiger is not winning then it's just not exciting for me.
Disappointed in the PGA. They should not be threatening players period. It shows weakness and desperation on their part. LIV tournaments do nothing more than add some variety for the fans and financial opportunities for the players. Making them make a choice between the two is wrong because they are all free agents not owned by the PGA or anyone else.
Stop the BS , the PGA tour has rules you sign up with . Break them and there are fines and suspensions . ASK DJ , he had to sit out 6 months for his coke problem .
That's a big word that I hope means the pga is crappy. How much of the clothes they wear are made by slave labor? How much equipment is sold via pga being involved to everyone made with slave labor. Def not every club is a scotty Cameron. The pga is going to lose fan, and lose the fans they would have gained had they bot been so corporohypocrtically (I know that's not a real word) immature.
Seriously? The PGA has done nothing but work tirelessly for decades to provide a platform to succeed. They turned their backs on the PGA, not the other way around.
They want to play golf, and the pga has every opportunity to take the high road yet refuses. The days of rich businessmen only being allowed to play the game are long gone..the age of the "player" is in. Where as, the only thing we care about is hitting the ball sweet and scoring low. Pga has one way of doing business, and can't handle any changes, liv is changing things up. I dont think its as bad as the xfl is to football, but it sure will draw in a lot more viewers who enjoy the excitement of competition.
@@karenberries546 I'm 1000% sure that these professional athletes will partake in charity work and hold high values outside the LIV Events. They are still the same people they have always been. Money up front with a prize to be won vs earning your entirety as a prize is no different. You should still tell your kids to get their heads out their asses and work hard to make something of themselves because we sure as shit ain't getting $150m to play in the events. You have to be good to be paid and they paid their dues and got great before collecting that pay cheque. LIV is still early so you won't see every top name jumping ship for the first ever event. It will develop as will the future players and you will see the great competition on both sides. Every sports league has expansion teams and you cannot argue that it muddies the waters. Those athletes compete just as well as everyone else because there is such a miniscule difference between the best on the leaderboard vs the last. Especially in golf, I haven't seen one person as dominant as Tiger since his fall and that was a many years ago. One golfer will take the prize in one event and then place 10th at the next one a weekend after. Working hard and being a good person shouldn't be a hard thing to do outside the game, but, you got bigger problems if it is for you.
Loving LIV Golf as a fan. Stop appealing to fans about protecting your assets from competition like the rest of the world has to. Will continue to watch It especially if you keep crying about it.
You're not a real fan if you don't get it. Players play for glory, for legacy, for history. LIV is all about pure greed and blood money. It's really not that hard.
Would you say the same if a competition was coming from Putin of Russia, poaching old timers out of the PGA with enormous amount of money just to kickstart its market share?
@@TheTerryE if you like golf you will like LIV golf. Great day for golf fans. was much faster paced and much better viewing experience with more access to the players. not a surprise so many more players are coming for the first U.S. trny.
@@TheTerryE Nothing worse than these PGA Tour fans that talk about the PGA Tours great heritage, storied history and tradition. Wake up. Those days are long gone. The PC woke creeps have taken over. Are you gonna boycott RBC and UPS? They both do business in Saudi Arabia. Are you going to boycott Jack Nicklaus next? He is building a course in Saudi Arabia. That's why the Saudis came to him first before Norman. The PGA Tour broke away from the PGA Tour of America in the late 60’s for larger purses!! This is simply history repeating itself. The PGA Tour isn’t the big boy anymore and trying to position itself as the “Conscience of golf” is hysterical. The PGA Tour does business with China. China violates someones human rights every minute.
Its whats going to kill the pga. Rich old dudes have money, but the dipshit poor folk spend their money too, and will support the lively liv tournament.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
@@humfreycollins2422 the problem with your purity test is that America is by far the most evil regime on the planet. Putin didn’t lie about WMD’s and starve over a million Iraqis. Putin didn’t murder Gaddafi for no reason and wreck the most prosperous country in Africa. The United States and it’s partners did, Saudis are just one of those sleazy partners. If we sell them weapons and buy their oil, why would golfers be held to a higher standard than the President. The whole morality argument is phony.
You my friend, are clueless. If you didn’t know, Greg Norman has been trying to create a league since the 90’s. This guy said it perfect. LIV is a joke to golf and all about money. That’s it. It’s the rookie league to the pga. The pga will not suffer to LIV.
The fact that you said this proves that you know absolutely nothing about the PGA tour whatsoever, or what it actually does for the world. How do sheer bone heads like you survive outside of the womb without the help of machinery and hospice care… It’s beyond me
Bury my head? hahah. There’s no competition in LIV. Over half the field are no name bums and the big names did it only for money. The pga pros that went besides dj couldn’t hack it in the pga anymore and are washed up. There is no tradition or true competition. No cuts, teams bullshit where they will trade players? That’s not good golf. No one will care to win when they all get paid no matter what. The pga, you have to earn your spot to shine. LIV is a joke
The PGA made a big mistake today. Should have taken the higher road. I for one really enjoyed the LIV Golf coverage and format. And look forward to innovations in golf coverage LIV Golf will bring in the future.
@@TheTerryE Any products in your house made in China? Are you aware of what they’ve done to the Uyghurs? How about how they treat their people who disagree with the communist party? PGA, NBA, etc. seem to have no problem overlooking all sorts of human rights issues for the sake of $$$ and yet we still watch…
Blood money??? Did you type that on your made in China cell? Didn't our capital hill police kill an unarmed protestor who was let into the capital by the police themselves? Don't cast stones.
LIV Golf is more of a high paying exhibition league. The PGA shouldn't see it as competition, but a way to put more eyeballs on golf and it's players. Very bad look for the PGA.
Both tournaments run in the same season. The two are in direct competition for players. How is LIV not competition for the PGA? Best players will stop player PGA tour events and play LIV events for the money. They will still play the MAJORS though. PGA has to make a stand.
It isn't a exhibition no one who watched today's would think that. With the prize pool and how good the course is and the coverage it's a legit league that isn't going anywhere
@@StoriesbyDAF by your logic every other tour not funded by the PGA tour is competition. Since the PGA tour “season” is basically year round, when could another tour possibly schedule events that wouldn’t conflict? The top players generally play only a handful of events outside the majors anyway. I don’t see a valid reason, beyond a obsession with control and maintaining a status quo, that the PGA should choose to bar the LIV Golf players from their tour. In doing so, I think they will receive the opposite of what they desire and force many fans to look elsewhere to follow their favorite players.
@@StoriesbyDAF The PGA forced the players to make a decision. They would play both if they were allowed. Liv hosts 8 tournaments throughout the year. 7 of which are in the US. Disagree with your argument about the PGA Tour having to act because Liv conflicts with their "season." The Tour hosts a tournament just about every weekend of the year since they went to that wraparound season. It's not like football or basketball where there is a well defined off-season. The players create their own off-season after the Tour Championship, but the Tour itself doesn't miss a beat.
Hey Chamblee it’s their first event and you state that 14 out of 48 were top level. Wait until the 4th event. Media are so delusionnal. And also they switch their point of view in a heartbeat, so give me a break, we as fans loved it today.
Bang on…why is that joker even on TV….his station pays lots and lots of money for the PGA tour coverage so he is COMPLETELY BIAS…of course he is going to slag it off
I respectfully disagree with Brandel Chamblee. First of all, I looked at the leader board of the Canadian Open and there were about 75 names that I've never heard of. And beyond the major championships what do I care if a no name golfer wins the Valero Open? I've never heard of most of these people. Until this year I'd never heard of Scottie Scheffler and he's the number one ranked player in the world. And he's winning everything out there, but unless he continues to play like he has, well, he's just the flavor of the month. Chamblee also forgets that these players are professional golfers. That means that playing golf is their occupation. They play for a pay check. Half of these players each and every week don't make a dime. If they don't make the cut there is no pay. In fact, the top players on the PGA Tour make far less than the top players in other professional sports such as baseball and football. If reports are correct and Dustin Johnson was paid over 100 million to walk in the door, that's more than he's made in his entire PGA Tour career and not long ago he was ranked number 1. Yes, this is a big threat to the PGA Tour. If LIV can peel off four or five more well known players and can find a TV deal then I'm watching. And here's another thing: Why the hell are these pundits continuing to pontificate about human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia? Do they really believe that anyone gives a flying fuck about what's going on in Saudi Arabia or Yemen? I think the biggest mistake the PGA Tour made was by essentially firing these guys for playing in LIV Golf. That wasn't wise. The PGA Tour needs these guys. They need the names that we recognize because if not enough of them are playing then no one will watch anything other than the majors. Look, this really presents a real danger to the PGA Tour. It really is all about the money. We've seen the first wave of players that have defected. There are more coming.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
@@humfreycollins2422 you bring up some very fair and salient points. I can't argue against what you are saying. Each of these players will have to make their own decisions. But let me point out a couple things. These golfers are not politicians. They are not human rights activists. They play golf, so I doubt that most of them particularly care about what's going on in Saudi Arabia. Maybe they should, but I'd bet that most of them have little awareness about what's going on there. I don't know if you're English or American. My guess would be English. In the US the most powerful sports league is the NFL. Over the years there have been several noted attempts to create rival leagues to the NFL. All of them have failed within a year or two of their inception. And they failed because they didn't have the money to compete. None of the top NFL stars defected to rival leagues simply because they could earn only a fraction of what they could in the top professional sports league. I believe the LIV golf series is a major threat to the PGA Tour. They have the money and they have time for their tour to take root. They have already removed 17 members from the PGA Tour. And there will be more defections to come. This new tour is just too lucrative for these golfers to ignore. Phil Mickelson was paid 200 million dollars to walk in the door, That's more than he earned in prize money during his entire career. Same for Dustin Johnson, Ian Poulter, Lee Westwood and others. Your comments were certainly fair and your points are well made. I would also say that there are other issues involved too. I think it's quite clear that Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman have issues with the PGA Tour. I think that's clear. There's something there. What that might be, well, I couldn't speculate. So, while money and plain old fashioned greed are probably at the heart of the matter, I'm sure there are other factors. This will play out over time but at the end of the day I think the PGA Tour will be greatly diminished.
You obviously dont watch the pga tour much if you had never heard of Scheffler before this year the best players are on the pga tour and the pga tour is the best product. LIV golf is going to be a joke and over before the end of the year you just watch
@@65g4 but isnt that the point though, Liv has got the more recognized names in their lineup and that would attract views. Chambeu dude is playing in the 2nd round, big hitter. Looks like Liv is slowly pulling in the attractions. In time, more younger players might also prefer to play there as well as it looks more savvy with the team drafts formats, fast paced, no cuts which guarantee u take home money, concerts, party which are all quite appealing to younger gen. But as u said, time will tell....
@@65g4 I watch the PGA Tour quite often. And you're right, the best players are on the PGA Tour. But I think LIV Golf will have more staying power than you might think. As you know, most professional sports leagues that have emerged to compete with the established powers just don't have a chance. And they fail primarily because they lack money. The notable exception was Major League Soccer which was different because there was no other league in this country. Obviously, it's clear that an upstart league like the USFL can't lure away players like Tom Brady or Christian McCaffrey. They don't have the money. But LIV Golf does have the cash. The only question is whether or not they have the willpower to endure the losses that they are going to take for several years. That's the unknown.
This is just a HUGE blunder by the PGA if they would have just given these guys the releases the players would have played a couple of these tournaments a year and it would go by the wayside after a few years.
@@TheBrindleBoxer The PGA Tour broke away from the PGA Tour of America in the late 60’s for larger purses!! This is simply history repeating itself. The PGA Tour isn’t the big boy anymore and trying to position itself as the “Conscience of golf” is hysterical.
The PGA Tour has just about as much blood on their hands as the next organization. I don't see why players have to get lambasted for their decisions when monopolistic orgs are never held accountable.
This. No one seems to critique the PGA/European Tour when they hold events in Dubai and Saudi Arabia every year. So much for morals and growing the game lol
What about all the events PGA Tour holds in the USA ?? It ain't like the USA hasn't spilled innocent blood in the likes of Vietnam Afghanistan Iraq Etc let alone what about all the human rights violations in the USA Tuskegee Experiment MK Ultra etc
Brandel is wrong. Authoritarian. The asset which golfers have is the ability to play golf. It is their right and freedom to use their talent. The golfers do philanthropy with the money they earn, as they wish.
LIV tour is solely an exhibition of golf, not competition of the game. No cut, everyone receives a $120,000 ‘trophy’ for participating. Certainly don’t blame some players for joining, but stop the nonsense that by joining LIV, they are promoting the game. Admit it, it’s a money grab
@@shooterjones7031 yes a money grab but very hypocritical of the PGA tour…it was fine when all of the European players go over for the money…mclroy comes to mind?..just the beginning…GOLF DOESNT JUST RESOLVE AROUND THE USA
Of course they have the right. And now they can use that right to either play the PGA tour and see how they stack up with the best or admit they’re not that good and grab some easy cash. Only has beens, never will be, or the greedy will play Greg’s participation trophy joke of a tour.
So happy to see LIV and the drama happening. Who knows what will happen in the years to come. I suspect that LIV will peel off some PGA talent in the coming years as LIV grows and develops. You will always have your traditionalists and loyal fans. As new generations come into golf, that will be the telltale sign of what happens. If the human rights thing was such a problem, America should have found their oil elsewhere after all these decades. Lord knows that we have enough in the country. I just think the human rights thing is being used in a pawn of this game of chess. Golf is golf. Nothing more, nothing less. The PGA allows golfers from some of our political enemies and not-so-friendly nations to play. The PGA was one of the last to accept ethnic minorities to play. So, the PGA has dirty hands too throughout their history. Not to mention, if look at the politics and social agendas of some of their sponsors and even members in their leadership, I bet you could find many faults. I can almost guarantee that much of the products they support are not all "Made in the USA". Let the media and the activists have their day. In time, we will see how this works itself out. One day, there will be new leadership in the PGA and perhaps they will have a different view of things. Everyone talks about money. The PGA, the players, the sponsors, and all involved in the organization are knee deep in the money. The PGA is a business. It is not a charity.
Let players play where ever they want. Let them choose. No need to ban them. If PGA TOUR is the best tour of all, why they need to punish players who want to go and play some tournaments elsewhere?
Why do you think the best players never playing against each other is good for golf? What LIV offers is certainly not good golf. Just a bunch of overpaid guys taking a money grab.
I love golf, playing, practising, watching, the history, the majors all of it. Competition is good and IMO there's room for additional tours - LIV won't replace the PGA, DP etc. Nobody agrees with or condones the human rights issues, but I hope (maybe naively) that LIV can be a catalyst for change. We can't change the past, but we can change the future and some may need to look in the mirror when it comes to playing morality cards, given the arms and petrol deals currently being brokered. Certainly a divisive topic, but hopefully good things will come for golf and more importantly positive change for humanity.
Arabian oil barons have owned football clubs like Manchester City and PSG for like 10-15 years now. If football, the world's most popular sport, can't be a catalyst for change in those regions, golf has no shot.
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Just watched all of the new LIV Golf 1st round as live in the UK. Awesome to see these players here and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not a clue what Chamblee was ranting on about. He needs to get into 'today' and 2022 as well as a lot of other people for that matter. The PGA seems like a controlling dictatorship to me.
Bank on my friend…your telling me that the PGA tour have never been sponsored or taken money directly or indirectly from the Saudis or wherever ….The PGA TOUR do have a monopoly!!!!! It is fine when all the best European golfers go to the PGA tour…wonder why that is….and for that dinosaur chamblee what a ??????? Question for you Americans do any of you actually listen to chamblee seriously…he is one horrendous golf analyst..every time I hear him I want to turn over
While LIV Golf may not have the lions share of the best players in the world at this time, the quality of golf I saw today was better than the Korn Ferry and Champions Tour and the players geniunely seemed to be enjoyig themselves out there and like the guys on the PGA Tour, still get upset when they hit bad shots and bad putts. Brandel acts as though they're just there to get a check and nothing more. I disagree and found the golf and nuances of the broadcast surprisingly good, as I expected this first tournament to be a train wreck. I plan to continue to watch with the understanding that the product is only going to get better.
Don’t golfers pick and choose which events they enter and which they don’t in their respective tours based on prize money? Let’s not forget golf is their job, and like most of us, work for a pay check.
@@tomw9480 You have the freedom to join or not join. I believe you can be in a different tour and get an okay to play some tournaments like the European tour members.
Brandel had one career win but now he’s an expert who is elite. We know he’s in the back pocket of the PGA Tour cause he is afraid of them. This guy is a Joke
If ever a bloke was up himself it’s shamblee, not much of a golfer and has too much too say for my liking …obviously worried about his own job , should have been sacked years ago
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
i am an IndyCar fan, and I lived through most of our Split, and here are my takeaways from it that Golf needs to listen to or else the same fate will happen. 1. Fans will pick a side, and then they will become apathetic as the sides change drastically. 2. If The New Organization gets a Major Tournament from the Old one, the new group earns the leverage. 3. One tour will have the better golfers, but the other will have closer competition. 4. Sponsors will decide who wins, because No sponsor wants to support two rival organizations. 5. In the end, nobody wins, ratings will decline, and fans will find something else to do. The majors will be fine, but smaller events will be in trouble. Buckle Up, and be respectful to the other side you disagree with, because if this split resolves within 5 years, most of the damage can be avoided. If not, It will be bad. Sending my best wishes to every person in the industry, from a fan of IndyCar
Ha , Let me see , most of the good players LOST sponsors ... And all 48 thousand on you tube were watching poor golf . Real exciting when the team competition was won by 14 shots
@@johnb2905 The PGA created the Champions tour to give their past champs a way to earn money while all other sports forget their past champs. They not only do that they also do the developmental tours and the LPGA. The current suspended players are no longer eligible for the Seniors tour. That might end up shocking them.
Brandel, often right, dead wrong here. No way are you counting Jack’s Tour winnings as the bulk of his wealth. It’s not. Same with Jordan. The bulk of their money came from their businesses, not their leagues. It’s truly a sad day for golf. Golfers stopped supporting each other over where they play. Bottom line, money. Exactly the same for the PGA. They’re upset about losing money for these “old” players.
I really enjoyed the LIV streaming on UA-cam. I had it playing in the background on my computer while I worked. Started it at 8:00 am (local) and was done right about the time lunch came around. Brillant!! I guess I would make the intro a little less "nascar-ish" but otherwise I liked the format, onscreen scoring and the announcer staff was knowledgeable. And seriously, if you are listening to and believing that blockhead Chamblee talk about golf, you need to get out a bit more. I've been golfing for 53 years, attend a couple PGA events each year, and that goofball always says something that is trying to "wax nostalgic", but comes out as PGA diarrhea. So there. Hoser
“One of the saddest days in the history of golf.” How dramatic. I really don’t have a dog in this fight but the more I here these PGA Tour loyalists speak the more I want LIV to succeed. I still don’t understand what’s wrong with players choosing to go with a more financially secure tour.
@@jamesboyd361 Earth to james. There are multiple tours but the PGA is the pinnacle where you have to be the top to get on it. I thought you conservatives loved meritocracy.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
Can't wait until the "Shell Houston Open" comes around again and the PGA tries to tell Shell Oil who and who they can & cannot invite to their tournament. Talk about a company that has nepotism with the Saudis.....that's a story I can't wait to see play out!
FYI: if you go to the PGA Tours own website and go to their “partners” page you’ll see a litany of businesses many of which are connected and do business in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. These same corporate sponsors and TV contracts are what pay the current purses at PGA Tour events. Brandle, get off your self righteous ass, these players cut the “middle man” out and grabbed $$ directly from Saudi Arabia. Everyone has an opinion, but christ you are obnoxious. No wonder so many tour players can’t stand you!
@@tomzimmerman4841 So now the tournament is sponsored by Vivint. Blackstone owns Vivint. The Saudis invested tons of money in Blackstone and Blackstone has a huge office in Saudi Arabia.
Well, who brings in the most viewers? Obviously, Tiger is number 1. Then I’d say Phil is still a clear cut 2, and Dustin Johnson would certainly be around the top 5. This is a very bad move by the PGA. There aren’t all that many individuals that people care to watch and they just got rid of 2 of their best.
Brandel, what a hollow argument. Do you think the calibre of player on LIV has anything to do with the threats made (and followed through) by the PGA Tour? What LIV have done is create more opportunities for golfers to compete on a world stage. That SHOULD be the mantra of the PGA Tour but they're too butt-hurt by the "competition" to get on board. What we've seen is a poorly orchestrated PR campaign to try and discredit golfers and shut this format down before it's even started, using employing such poorly thought out phrases such as "BlOOD moNEy" to try and "cancel" those who have joined the tour. It's pathetic. Stop trying to cancel everything, and stop being offended because some guys decided to get paid to play golf. Weirdly, if the aim of professional golf is to get paid for playing, then these guys literally just won. Get off your high-horse!
WOW!! Brandel Chamblee is obviously speaking as a mouthpiece of the PGA!! It's as if HE has some personal axe to grind AGAINST the LIV Golf League! Sad to hear him speak SO negatively on the subject! Certainly, he's entitled to his opinion, but it's a sad opinion to blast so loudly...
Dumb example. Greg Norman Jack and Arnie all made their fortune from their personal businesses after the game, not from pga tour checks. Brandel has no case he’s a pain pga tour shill
I read Billy Casper's book he won 50 plus times....... he made more money on the Champions tour in like 5 years than he made his entire career on the PGA. Talents like this made the PGA and they worked for like nothing. I went to college with his daughter. Billy had 11 kids he traveled out of of a trailer!!!!!!!! These stars made money for the PGA. It took Billy years to pay back his starter loan so he could try to play living out of a trailer. The PGA made money while others worked for them and then only half get paid.
I am interested to see if/when one of the players legally challenges their suspension. The answer to all the issues surrounding the law and the PGA rules/control etc. will be put to bed. Good stuff. BTW...I don't blame the players who "jumped ship". Follow the $. It isn't complicated...they were lured by the prospects of huge $ and made their choice. Their interviews are filled with "its good for the game of golf etc"....whether true or not, I would respect them more if they would be more open that it is about the $. This is no different than businesses poaching talented executives. These players all got a "raise" and arguably better working conditions to "play". The difference is there are rules that all players on the PGA agreed to when the enrolled; again similar to non competition clauses business executives sign. Often those competition clauses if they go too far are struck by courts. Let's see what the courts have to say about the contractual terms of golfers and their PGA association. All good.
It's interesting that the PGA Tour is headquartered in Florida and non-compete agreements are legally enforceable there under certain conditions. However, most events are played outside of FL, so I'm not sure what the result would be. Will just have to wait and see how things go.
@ArnoldFine most of the interviews I’ve watched have mentioned doin it for money, more time with family, and excitement. I’d say more will go and pga will kick themselves looking back. They should’ve just kept ther head up high and looked over this. Definitely wouldn’t have recommended having Brandel opened his overpaid uppity bird lipped cake hole about it
@@shadowjohns I believe that's PGA of America that's moving to TX. Those are the guys with all the teaching pros and they host the PGA Championship. PGA Tour is a separate entity.
No Masters... no Fed Ex Cup.... these guys will end up playing 8 tournaments a year... maybe. And yes the PGA is a private entity... they can deny membership to whomever they want.
I watched the First round of Liv Golf and it was really fun seeing the players have a shot gun start and seeing the team aspect of it. I think the younger players are not jumping straight over because they want to see if Liv will work. In a few years if Liv is still going I think more younger players will be going over there.
Brandel once again shows that he doesn't "get it." Liv golf in its current state is closer to the various matches being played by celebrities than a PGA Tour event. That's the point. It's about golf as entertainment. Brandel acts like Phil and DJ don't move the needle in golf. The PGA Tour themselves acknowledge Phil as the 2nd most influential player in golf over the past year with their own PIP rankings. DJ was 7th. Brandel has to act outraged here, but he could've come up with some better arguments.
I watched for five minutes and turned it off. Terrible product. I get to watch exhibition golf every time I play…I don’t need to waste my time watching others play it.
Exactly!! I will enjoy and be entertaining to seeing Liv player making a putt for 4 millions and the teams hacking for largest prize money ever!! And Maybe see these young kids from all over the world make life change putt. Also, going to wonder what’s Tiger, Rory and Thomas feeling afterwards….
I feel like the PGA did a mistake to suspend these golfers because I am 100% sure that these golfers would have continue to compete on the PGA tour if only to retain their ranking in the world rankings, because it's important if they want to continue qualifying for majors. Remember LIV only has 8 events leaving plenty of room open for golfers to play on other tours.
@@Gnofg This is not the same thing, in football a player can't play in two leagues at the same time but in golf a player can play events on multiple tours
Wrong, its because instead of going to your company to work during the week you went to work for another company. One of DJ's main sponsors is RBC. The RBC Canadian Open starts today and he is playing in London. Actually RBC WAS one of his sponsors, they terminated his contract.
Wrong, it's like you taking a second job then not showing up for the first without their permission because you went to the second instead on a Monday at 9am. You wouldn't get suspended, you'd be fired for ditching work.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
Agreed I loved the Liv broadcast was way faster paced then pga tour broadcast which shows every move tiger makes and if he can walk. This was rapid fire shots while still following the big names the closest. Was way better then I expected
@@PIP-zf9yb The shotgun start was a fantastic move. Get all the players on the course at the same time so you always have a shot to show. Only really possible with a small field like they have this week, but if this is the model going forward, I think it has a lot of potential.
@@iammars142 I don't see them adding many more players I like this format. although I think alot more will want to join in so maybe they would add a few more
@@PIP-zf9yb Would probably depend on the nature of their contracts with some of the lower ranked players. Those guys are expendable if it means getting a bigger name. Will see if they expand the field when Bryson plays in the next event or if they keep the same size but drop some guys.
@@iammars142 they are not expected to expand the field size per reports for the next event but if more guy join other then Bryson p reed and Fowler I think they would up it a bit. But part of their concept is smaller fields so I don't see it going over say 60 or so maybe add 12 spots and 3 teams or something
The issue is clear. Those in power at the PGA have a vested interested in maintaining their monopoly on professional golf. Furthermore, these professional golfers in the words of Brandel are 'independent contractors'. As such, they get to pick when and where they play and how much. Those in power on the PGA Tour want to restrain those who would like to consider other opportunities to play. I wonder if Brandel considers that perhaps these players of which he speaks are using the LIV Tour as well for their personal benefits? Several of them have made it clear this is a means to and ends and will give them capitol for the next phase in their lives. Yes, the PGA Tour does have the best retirement and pension plan in all professional sport, this is well documented. However, this does not negate these players from forgoing some of those benefits and considering other options to explore in their professional careers.
Just a though, NBA paid players to show up on the game and sit on the bench (not playing the whole game) some time the entire season (as a bench player) versus PGA players (beyond top 100 ranking with tour card) paid for themselves to show up to the tournament not even sure they are going to make any money at all if they miss the cut and potential loss their own money for caddie fee, etc and coming back home to face his/her family with less money in their bank account. PGA paid their tops player well but what about the rest (40%) of the fields who carry the tour card... LIV make that change, if you show up you make money, if you win you win big bonus...you are going to see a lots of beyond top 100 having a break thru, when they dont have to worry about feeding their family, they will play more free, try to make more birdies and the give will be more exciting for everyone... Just a though....
@@rtrichar Please do the research , From google: Do PGA golfers get appearance money? It all comes down to guaranteed cash. European Tour events are allowed to pay appearance fees which they almost comically classify as “promotional services fees." PGA Tour events, on the other hand, are unable to pay “promotional services fees."
They would have paid 1 billion for a 46 year old limping past his prime tiger woods, with all respect to the goat. If that happened Brando would be crapping his pants. And the broadcast for Liv golf would smash PGA tour ratings.
@@Gnofg just give it time, everybody has a price..if u want competitive golf tiger is the last guy u want. It's not about top 10 players, its about who moves the needle like Phil who draws 10 times more than Scottie scheffler and will for years.
the hell are you talking about? The PGA could have treated their players like kings but if you throw millions of dollars are people, it doesn't matter. People will reach for the money. Did you even listen to Brandel? 3 out of the 4 richest athletes of all time from from the PGA TOUR. Tiger, Jack, Arnie. Phil had made more money with the PGA Tour than David Beckham who was in a sport far more popular than golf. PGA tour did a great job and will continue to do a great job.
@@jholden5184 with a little deductive reasoning it’s easy to understand that it’s a cop out argument to say that the career earnings of tiger, jack, Arnie, etc is reflective of the compensation of pga tour players as a whole. Just like Lebron didn’t become a billionaire solely from his nba salary. LIV golf wouldn’t have been as appealing of a transition if the PGA gave its players the freedom to be more selective with their participation. And of course, add that freedom to a larger paycheck, you can’t blame players for finding it appealing.
It's true, as a PGA professional, the working conditions are brutal. Getting paid millions to do what we pay thousands for, on courses we aren't allowed on. All equipment paid with endorsements. If these aren't human rights violations, what are??
This was day 1 for LIV golf. Can only get better. Really enjoyed it considering it was their first day of a start up. Must be open minded to other options. Brandel sounds bias.
Brandel always fashions himself as the smartest guy in the room. The high earners in the PGA tour are a relative handful, that means course income plus endorsements. He names Palmer, Nicklaus, Woods, etc. They are the exceptions to the general rule. The big endorsement income is very narrowly allocated. The average PGA tour pro, one of the best players in the world who made his way to the premier tour in the game, last year GROSSED $1,485,000. That’s before caddies, travel and all related expenses. That means he netted well less than $1,000,000. Add in what the AVERAGE guy gets in endorsements which ain’t much, e.g., 50,000 for a hat and bag logo, and maybe another 100,000-200,000 in outings, etc. means that a guy who is probably in the best 150 players in the world makes a million or so a year, less than a journeyman reliever in pro baseball. All of the endorsement wealth in pro golf that puts golfers up there with guys in other sports is spread among about 10-15 guys on the PGA tour. The other 125 or so are earning only “decent” money for a relatively short career, largely over at 40. And if taking Saudi money is shameful, what about the NBA and China, which is a treasure trove for players and the league?
The "NBA and China" a popular poster example of recent vintage, conveniently overlooks probably 5x as many years of the PGA Tour and brutal South African Apartheid. No need to reference another sport when the game of Golf itself has its own longer history of financial relationships with human rights and atrocities violators.
Watched some of first round on UA-cam, it was pretty awesome. I will be in the gallery for the next event in Portland. Can't wait. I get the impression that the PGA tour and the hypocrites online are a bit salty. 😂😂😂
Exactly. I can’t wait to go see them in Chicagoland…meanwhile when the PGA Tour can go three years without even coming to the Chicagoland area. NBA has multi-billion dollar partnerships with the Chinese government too, whom are still operating concentration camps, child slave labor building LeBron’s $300 shoes, etc. and nobody questioning that.
@@WinstonSmith24 Exactly! Couldn't agree more. Our society in general is a special bunch. They make it sound like these guys are golfing for the exact people that killed the journalist. Couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth, but you know our media... 😉
None of the Top Players he's mentioned on PGA tour currently have more Majors than Phil. Dustin Johnson has third longest rein at #1 plus 2 Majors, he's acting like they're bums. ✌
I went to the Memorial tournament. Love watching golf. That being said, the PGA went woke. I lost all respect for the PGA when they cut ties with Trump. The leadership has made a number of mistakes including this.
It is nice to see LIV golf going to Trump National in Bedminster and Miami. Bedminster was sacrificed on the Altar of Woke by the PGA because Orange Man Bad. Cry more, PGA and Golf Channel.
I can see both sides. Freedom to play where and when i chose is cool. Golf is a business. Oil is a huge business. Its ok for America to buy Saudi oil but not their golf is hypocrtical. Oil money is paying these golfers.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
Why not use China and the NBA? Was it worth it to sell their product to a country like that? Have your League associated with that country? At this point it’s extremely hypocritical to be mad at this but not at that.
@@JohnpaulDejoria666 - The NBA was a Johnny-Come-Lately to China. American Corporations had been in China for Decades prior...hell, Dick Nixon even took time off from his domestic criminality to visit China on their behalf in 1972.
@@humfreycollins2422 how many places have you copied and pasted this sorry argument? Want to feel better about it? Look at it as these guys getting some of the money back all the first world countries around the world give SA for oil and gas
C'mon, money talks, and Brandel is purely a shill for the tour. So, these boys are making in a couple months what it would take them a lifetime; and never guaranteed, to earn on the tour. I mean, you only live twice. Brandel, try and form an argument that does not come out of your backside.
Bramble, I have enjoyed your commentary over the years, but you have sadly succumbed to the new order of blaming and shaming and cancelling , wake up brother, move with times man, come on! You are abusing your platform here and throwing politics into this great new golf tournament. Your fellow Americans do business with Saudi, FI racing is in Saudi, come on where is your logic. You are filled with fear and it is showing. This is great for golf and fans.
The PGA tour does not care about “morals”. They are scared, so stop getting mad at their repetitive talking points. They’re so stupid, suspending these players like this is just gonna make more of the 30+ year old bigger names who already have deep pockets mad and go to LIV.
The PGA commentator's jobs are on the line if they back LIV golf league. Sounds like politics in the US right now, if your not with us your against us, so sad that golf is because of power and control. I'm watching LIV golf now to show my support for those who have choice to be brave and stand against the PGA and now we see the real PGA and its not so nice anymore. The innocents of golf is gone and the days of playing a great game has taken a sad turn.
and all this only came to light when Liv came about. Not saying the Saudi's are the good guys here at all but they are doing a good job of exposing massive hypocrisy surrounding professional golf.
@@darrenhill3514 Lines are being drawn that are revealing the true on both sides. I hope and pray all works out for the game of golf and tfor hose who work hard at making it better than ever.
Yeah 54 hole's and shotgun. Reminds me pga junior state league for young kids. Even high school golf starts off 1st tee generally. LIV is more like a "circus" type of "golf."
The Golf Channel is in for a big surprise once they realize everyone does not agree with them, and when the ratings start coming it. I bet more people tuned in to the LIV event than the Canadian Open.
All the LIV players are locked up by contract, they are "contracted", not independent, and by contract they could not decide to pass on a couple of LIV events and play in some other tournament, you know, for the benefit of their family, or they would be sued.
The golf channel continues to embarrass themselves the more they talk about liv….Chamblee is gonna sit there and talk about the average rank of guys going to play for them as if there bums…why is the golf channel and pga so worried about it then?? I laughed so hard when he said paying the players is gonna cut into the philanthropic money as if the pga doesn’t have enough money
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
The Golf Channel will continue to speak bad about the Liv Tour, or for that fact, any tour that’s not the PGA. They all have jobs that they are afraid of loosing if they say one positive word about Liv. All these people talking about legacy or your dedication to the PGA, are all the people who would leave there jobs in a heartbeat if they were offered much much more money. Stop with the yes men mentality and speak on truth. The Golf Channel is turning into CNN.
Brandel contradicted himself calling these guys selfish and also pointing out they are independent contractors, so which is it? You’re only independent if you stay on the PGA tour? Doesn’t make sense.
If the PGA was truly the pinnacle and took great care of their players, the only players they would lose would be guys who weren't making cuts and making money. DJ, Phil, Bryson, Sergio, and the others didn't ruin their reputations. I have more respect for them for branching out and standing up to the monopoly. If the PGA and their supporters are so concerned with atrocities and human rights violations, they'll quit gassing up their cars, helicopters, and planes. They'll quit having their merch and their gear made in China. That is a very hypocritical statement.
Brandel I think you would find that more people are interested in watching Phil than Sam burns for example. To bring OWGR into the equation doesn’t cater for the majority of golf fans… essentially the more the PGA tour gets try’s to influence LIV the more publicity that LIV gets and the more successful It will become. I bet numerous other players are considering making the switch.
Far from a “sad day” for golf. 😂 😭
A sad day for old dried up sour traditionalists like brandel
Was a great day for golf fans
Any day Brandel Sanctimonious Chamblee speaks is a bad day for golf.
@@robloxvids2233 lol true
"Sad day for golf" if you're the PGA tour. This whole situation is hypocritical and the more people try to stop LIV the more I cheer for it to succeed
Phil mickelson was the tour’s golden boy for 20 years when he got them ratings. Strange as soon as he joins LIV Tour, his skeletons come out of the closet. 🤔
They came out after he negotiated with LIV Tour, before he signed
Didn't you see he was being investigated by Sec . It's also been known he gambles too much for years . He WAS loved because he signs autographs more than Tiger .
@@johnb2905 I know that he participated in insider trading
None of what has been reported isn't anything that hasn't been reported before. I remember back in the later 2000s they were saying the same shit.
If PGA is so awesome then it can handle any competition without worry cause it will attract players based on its own merits.... not forcing
Agreed but they should act like it. Instead of suspending players. Seems like they want to protect their monopoly.
@@JT-LV what monopoly? There are European, Asian, mini, Canadian, tours out there that plenty of people have the opportunity to play.
@@vbeard5887 Exactly!! So why the hysteria over this one? This should be like any other tour that players can choose to play. It’s the money. The PGA has the monopoly on the big money and prestige. Not a true textbook monopoly but you know what I mean. They Own golf, and this reaction is 100% due to greed unless I can understand what else it could be.
@@JT-LV is itnthe greed or are they trying their best to take a stance on the sports washing this Saudi league is really trying to do.
God you guys are stupid. They are suspending players bc all pga tour pros are members of the pga and they all sign rules and regulation’s. Just like pros that play on the European tour and other events.. They all get releases from the pga signed to play on the other tours. If they don’t get approved and play. They get in trouble. Same thing with LIV. And those who went. Went for one reason. Money. The pga has declined any waivers from the start and people playing in the league. So they all knew what was coming. The pga has made it clear what will happen. And I’m glad they are doing it. LIV is rookies golf with no true competition to be the best. All who went threw their pga legacy away
Golf Channel’s endless whining about all this has made them insufferable
Exactly. Just call it the pga channel already. Such hypocrites.
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The Golf Channel has outed themselves...they're not just about golf. Shilling for the PGA is not a good look.
@@butterfly777100 💯💯💯
Love the PGA Tour talking points being spewed everywhere…”Sportwashing is my favorite.” What did they call it when the PGA Tour threw all sorts of money at players around the world to lure them to play on the PGA Tour, basically relegating the European tour and others to second rate tours…
by throwing money do you mean proze money because theres no appearance fees.
There is the PGA Tour, PGA of America, European Tour, The Asian Tour, and now there is the LIV Golf. Hope they all compete for the best talent with both money and innovative approaches. Golf needs change to grow as it has been declining for a decade. PGA Tour is threatened because 6/8 tournaments are in the US.
Worst thing. Some people are too steeped in the "kool aid" or lack basic critical thinking skills. and will actually regurgitate this garbage in real life. Thinking the PGA "talking points". they got from the "PGA owned network". Could in some bizzaro universe, accurately and objectively illuminats whats REALLLYYY going on. In a multi faceted issue. That requires the distillation of many perspectives and viewpoints. Hmmm. What reason could they possibly have to tell you a tory that makes them look good. and the others bad... hmmm. what motivation indeed? As for silly poeple regurgitating this trash. Happened to me the other day. someone kept saying. "philanthropy" "History" to which i responded woth. you mean tax write offs and racism? cool my guy.... high five... it was... simply Dissapointing.
Sportwashing 😂🤣😂🤣 Brandel sounds like CNN praying the sheep believe his BS, and his partner at the studio looks like he is going to cry.
@@gregjonglee What world are you in ? GOLF is at an ALL TIME high . Stop saying your opinion is fact ...
Golf Channel Proper Response -- WE have a financial interest in ensuring the PGA Tour does not go bankrupt, therefore we will be biased in our reporting in favor of the PGA Tour
GC has a 10 year contract . They get paid it come rain or shine .
@@johnb2905 Not if the PGATour goes Bankrupt which is now a very real possibility -- 4 more BIG names signing up soon
@@googplunger Keep dreaming ... Top 15 players in the WORLD are still on and most likely staying . They are MEN with a set of balls these other girls don't have . Go play a 3 round , shotgun start , team oriented pussy game . The last guy they have that won on PGA tour is a 52 yr old . That says everything ...
It's not a sad day for golf, it's a sad day for PGA organizations 🤦♂️😁🤣🤣🤣
WRONG
Like the PGA is going under . WRONG ...
Agree. PGA is acting like a 2nd rate tour instead of the top professional tour.
Love listening to Brandel make a fool of himself.
Thanks Chris Robinson my favorite comment
again...
He might have creditability if he actually won a few more tournaments himself. He was an also ran all of his so called career. He criticize players that have out played his pathetic results by a wide margin. Another useless talking head.
I thought he was going to cry. 🤪
@@butterfly777100 I have a feeling that wont be too long of a wait to see.
This just sounds like a Monopoly that feels threatened by its competition. For players that are struggling to make TOP 50, why not allow all of them to join another league to get their confidence back along with some monetary gains. You think players want to go play in the minor leagues (Korn Ferry Tour)?. By allowing players to go overseas, it would expand the games popularity and grown the game of golf exponentially.
Because there is such a thing as having morals and not accepting blood money, when you're already multi millionares.
I agree, the P.G.A sees dollar signs fading away and they are a lot more threatened than they are putting on.
@@lucasquinn5344 Unless you're spending your morning protesting at your local Wal-Mart, I would save your breath. You say you don't want them taking blood money, why not hold anyone accountable that does? Why just 1099 contractors? You do realize PGA has granted releases to players to play in S.A. before, don't you? Any outrage their, or does the fact that they're making more money now bother you? Like any other glut, PGA hates what they can't control.
@@lucasquinn5344 Then no one would play golf on the PGA tour due to their relationship with China. This is hypocrisy on a quantum level.
@@MG-rg3jo they don't kill people for being gay in China, stoning etc.. list goes on of the atrocities that happen in this disgusting country
Listening to the golf Channel along with the PGA commissioner make me want to see LIV Golf succeed. They say it's a sad day and that tells me it's a very bad day for them. Get over yourselves and let's celebrate the game of golf. Bunch of haters you all are.
Agreed, the more this gets blasted all over the media and trashing these players for going where the money is makes me want to watch only the liv tournaments and the majors. I've played golf since I was 12 and am now 63, the only thing I watch on TV is golf. I'm done with anything PGA.
Long Liv Liv......
@@kc72186 agreed they are so desperate to trash the league and call it irrelevant as more.and more golfers are leaving. 5 solid us golfers have signed on for the second event per reports
Yep, it's Brandel's job to protect his employers interest, investment and association with the PGA Tour. Of course he has nothing good to say about LIV Golf and will do everything within his power to trash it so he remains gainfully employed with the Golf Channel.
@@MikeBodo I get it. The thing is ; it's the golf channel not the PGA channel.
Brandel is probably pissed they didn't come to him for a 40 to 70 percent pay increase. Let's just keep there moral standards in perspective. I choose freedom of choice. PGA needs to get their house in order. The commissioner is in way over his head. Damn I could do his job. Sheez
As a fan and player, it’s a lovely day
agreed it's funny to watch them deny it coverage was amazing and their was alot of fans there and tons watching online. huge success
So much agree!!
@@markrolofs8866 alot of players wanted to see what it was like and how it would do. The rave reviews the players their are giving it more and more will be joining. Pga tour will be changing there tune once more leave.
@@PIP-zf9yb we don’t live in a dinosaur age, young people use UA-cam anyway
@@TheGolfCommunity1 they will let s broadcast deal eventually I'm sure but ya they had tons of people watching today so they are good for now
This guy is so upset because Liv jeopardizes his job as a sleepy golf reporter for pga. I honestly don’t see any higher moral on this person than on Phil.
Brandel doesn't work for the PGA Tour, he works for the Golf Channel, who are free to talk about any golf event on any tour. Don't think is job is in too much jeopardy.
@@davidodonaghue9617 I bet if he was offered a significant raise to cover LIV he would take it and flip sides immediately
There's nothing sad about this. Its frickin awesome. Plus its streamed on UA-cam for everyone to watch. That's amazing.
Yes, it was nice to have it on youtube. And the team format was a breath of fresh air. Felt like it gave it a bit more pace to the whole viewing experience. Something always seemed to be happening.
@@bbadlar3 it was a completely different viewing experience much faster paced and more exposure to the players. Great start
The best golf is in the pga tour end of story. LIV golf will die a death its pure money greed and not good for the game at all.
@@65g4 "The best" in your opinion. I'm not here to debate that but I am here to say that LIV is exciting because its streamed on UA-cam. So, essentially free to watch. Plus its a much needed overhaul for the game. That's my opinion. LIV appears to be taking away the "pompous" from golf and making it fun for everyone. Because if Tiger is not winning then it's just not exciting for me.
WRONG
Disappointed in the PGA. They should not be threatening players period. It shows weakness and desperation on their part. LIV tournaments do nothing more than add some variety for the fans and financial opportunities for the players. Making them make a choice between the two is wrong because they are all free agents not owned by the PGA or anyone else.
the Saudi bots are out in full force....
It's all fun and games til they murder someone and dismember them. In the freakin' US of A for god's sake!!!
@@someguyonthewebyoudontknow no bot just the truth. That Saudi money spends the same.
Stop the BS , the PGA tour has rules you sign up with . Break them and there are fines and suspensions . ASK DJ , he had to sit out 6 months for his coke problem .
Freedom of choice. I wouldn't support LIV if the PGA hadn't acted so disgracefully. I'm kind of sick of the corporatocracy.
That's a big word that I hope means the pga is crappy. How much of the clothes they wear are made by slave labor? How much equipment is sold via pga being involved to everyone made with slave labor. Def not every club is a scotty Cameron. The pga is going to lose fan, and lose the fans they would have gained had they bot been so corporohypocrtically (I know that's not a real word) immature.
Seriously? The PGA has done nothing but work tirelessly for decades to provide a platform to succeed. They turned their backs on the PGA, not the other way around.
They want to play golf, and the pga has every opportunity to take the high road yet refuses. The days of rich businessmen only being allowed to play the game are long gone..the age of the "player" is in. Where as, the only thing we care about is hitting the ball sweet and scoring low. Pga has one way of doing business, and can't handle any changes, liv is changing things up.
I dont think its as bad as the xfl is to football, but it sure will draw in a lot more viewers who enjoy the excitement of competition.
@@karenberries546 I'm 1000% sure that these professional athletes will partake in charity work and hold high values outside the LIV Events. They are still the same people they have always been. Money up front with a prize to be won vs earning your entirety as a prize is no different. You should still tell your kids to get their heads out their asses and work hard to make something of themselves because we sure as shit ain't getting $150m to play in the events. You have to be good to be paid and they paid their dues and got great before collecting that pay cheque. LIV is still early so you won't see every top name jumping ship for the first ever event. It will develop as will the future players and you will see the great competition on both sides. Every sports league has expansion teams and you cannot argue that it muddies the waters. Those athletes compete just as well as everyone else because there is such a miniscule difference between the best on the leaderboard vs the last. Especially in golf, I haven't seen one person as dominant as Tiger since his fall and that was a many years ago. One golfer will take the prize in one event and then place 10th at the next one a weekend after. Working hard and being a good person shouldn't be a hard thing to do outside the game, but, you got bigger problems if it is for you.
Sort of makes Phil’s words ring true now when he accused the PGA Tour of being bullies, doesn’t it!
Loving LIV Golf as a fan. Stop appealing to fans about protecting your assets from competition like the rest of the world has to. Will continue to watch It especially if you keep crying about it.
You're not a real fan if you don't get it. Players play for glory, for legacy, for history. LIV is all about pure greed and blood money. It's really not that hard.
Would you say the same if a competition was coming from Putin of Russia, poaching old timers out of the PGA with enormous amount of money just to kickstart its market share?
@@TheTerryE if you like golf you will like LIV golf. Great day for golf fans. was much faster paced and much better viewing experience with more access to the players. not a surprise so many more players are coming for the first U.S. trny.
@@TheTerryE Nothing worse than these PGA Tour fans that talk about the PGA Tours great heritage, storied history and tradition. Wake up. Those days are long gone. The PC woke creeps have taken over. Are you gonna boycott RBC and UPS? They both do business in Saudi Arabia. Are you going to boycott Jack Nicklaus next? He is building a course in Saudi Arabia. That's why the Saudis came to him first before Norman. The PGA Tour broke away from the PGA Tour of America in the late 60’s for larger purses!! This is simply history repeating itself. The PGA Tour isn’t the big boy anymore and trying to position itself as the “Conscience of golf” is hysterical. The PGA Tour does business with China. China violates someones human rights every minute.
Well said.
This is a sad day for self righteous PGA employees… that’s why you see these geezers acting like the sport will die if the PGA can’t monopolize golf.
Thoughts and prayers to their yachts
Its whats going to kill the pga. Rich old dudes have money, but the dipshit poor folk spend their money too, and will support the lively liv tournament.
@@rh81454 if you weren’t a valueless loser, you’d understand. Go do something notable, then turn down 9 figures and we’ll talk.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
@@humfreycollins2422 the problem with your purity test is that America is by far the most evil regime on the planet. Putin didn’t lie about WMD’s and starve over a million Iraqis. Putin didn’t murder Gaddafi for no reason and wreck the most prosperous country in Africa. The United States and it’s partners did, Saudis are just one of those sleazy partners. If we sell them weapons and buy their oil, why would golfers be held to a higher standard than the President. The whole morality argument is phony.
The PGA would be wise to pay close attention to LIV Golf, and evolve and adapt itself in whatever ways it can, or face certain long-term death.
You my friend, are clueless. If you didn’t know, Greg Norman has been trying to create a league since the 90’s. This guy said it perfect. LIV is a joke to golf and all about money. That’s it. It’s the rookie league to the pga. The pga will not suffer to LIV.
@@GolfisLife44 keep burying your head in the sand.
The fact that you said this proves that you know absolutely nothing about the PGA tour whatsoever, or what it actually does for the world.
How do sheer bone heads like you survive outside of the womb without the help of machinery and hospice care… It’s beyond me
Probably one of the most ignorant comments I have read so far. Well done sir.
Bury my head? hahah. There’s no competition in LIV. Over half the field are no name bums and the big names did it only for money. The pga pros that went besides dj couldn’t hack it in the pga anymore and are washed up. There is no tradition or true competition. No cuts, teams bullshit where they will trade players? That’s not good golf. No one will care to win when they all get paid no matter what. The pga, you have to earn your spot to shine. LIV is a joke
The PGA made a big mistake today. Should have taken the higher road. I for one really enjoyed the LIV Golf coverage and format. And look forward to innovations in golf coverage LIV Golf will bring in the future.
Higher road? Seriously? Greed and blood money and you want the PGA to take the "higher road?" Seriously deluded, dude.
@@TheTerryE Any products in your house made in China? Are you aware of what they’ve done to the Uyghurs? How about how they treat their people who disagree with the communist party? PGA, NBA, etc. seem to have no problem overlooking all sorts of human rights issues for the sake of $$$ and yet we still watch…
Blood money??? Did you type that on your made in China cell? Didn't our capital hill police kill an unarmed protestor who was let into the capital by the police themselves? Don't cast stones.
@@TheTerryE PGA gives permission to its players to play in Dubai every year, if they were concerned that wouldn't grant it, hypocrites
@@TheTerryE US is, and has been in bed with the Saudis forever. Cry me a river with your hypocritical tears
What is funny is I watch a ton of UA-cam amateur golf, and none of them are top 1000 golfers. I just enjoy watching golf.
Exactly. They don’t need to be the best to be entertaining. Otherwise there wouldn’t be any pro-am events.
Watch Danny Duffs. Dude is hilarious
Also very very realistic portrayal of actual average golf
@@DanielSong39 will check him out. I watch not a scratch goolfer, good good golf, claire hogle, Kyle Berkshire.
@@seankennedy152 exactly! I have watched every player hit stinkers as well as good shots. I just enjoy watching the game for sure
If PGA tour gets a cut from LIV, this Chamblee guy wouldn't here talking like this.
LIV Golf is more of a high paying exhibition league. The PGA shouldn't see it as competition, but a way to put more eyeballs on golf and it's players. Very bad look for the PGA.
Both tournaments run in the same season. The two are in direct competition for players. How is LIV not competition for the PGA? Best players will stop player PGA tour events and play LIV events for the money. They will still play the MAJORS though. PGA has to make a stand.
It isn't a exhibition no one who watched today's would think that. With the prize pool and how good the course is and the coverage it's a legit league that isn't going anywhere
@@StoriesbyDAF by your logic every other tour not funded by the PGA tour is competition. Since the PGA tour “season” is basically year round, when could another tour possibly schedule events that wouldn’t conflict? The top players generally play only a handful of events outside the majors anyway. I don’t see a valid reason, beyond a obsession with control and maintaining a status quo, that the PGA should choose to bar the LIV Golf players from their tour. In doing so, I think they will receive the opposite of what they desire and force many fans to look elsewhere to follow their favorite players.
@@StoriesbyDAF The PGA forced the players to make a decision. They would play both if they were allowed. Liv hosts 8 tournaments throughout the year. 7 of which are in the US.
Disagree with your argument about the PGA Tour having to act because Liv conflicts with their "season." The Tour hosts a tournament just about every weekend of the year since they went to that wraparound season. It's not like football or basketball where there is a well defined off-season. The players create their own off-season after the Tour Championship, but the Tour itself doesn't miss a beat.
Exhibition of what? A few has beens and some nobodies that you've never heard of before today? Lmfao
GOLFERS ARE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS BUDDY!!!!
Hey Chamblee it’s their first event and you state that 14 out of 48 were top level. Wait until the 4th event. Media are so delusionnal. And also they switch their point of view in a heartbeat, so give me a break, we as fans loved it today.
Bang on…why is that joker even on TV….his station pays lots and lots of money for the PGA tour coverage so he is COMPLETELY BIAS…of course he is going to slag it off
And also is it Golf Channel or PGA channel ?
I respectfully disagree with Brandel Chamblee. First of all, I looked at the leader board of the Canadian Open and there were about 75 names that I've never heard of. And beyond the major championships what do I care if a no name golfer wins the Valero Open? I've never heard of most of these people. Until this year I'd never heard of Scottie Scheffler and he's the number one ranked player in the world. And he's winning everything out there, but unless he continues to play like he has, well, he's just the flavor of the month. Chamblee also forgets that these players are professional golfers. That means that playing golf is their occupation. They play for a pay check. Half of these players each and every week don't make a dime. If they don't make the cut there is no pay. In fact, the top players on the PGA Tour make far less than the top players in other professional sports such as baseball and football. If reports are correct and Dustin Johnson was paid over 100 million to walk in the door, that's more than he's made in his entire PGA Tour career and not long ago he was ranked number 1.
Yes, this is a big threat to the PGA Tour. If LIV can peel off four or five more well known players and can find a TV deal then I'm watching. And here's another thing: Why the hell are these pundits continuing to pontificate about human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia? Do they really believe that anyone gives a flying fuck about what's going on in Saudi Arabia or Yemen?
I think the biggest mistake the PGA Tour made was by essentially firing these guys for playing in LIV Golf. That wasn't wise. The PGA Tour needs these guys. They need the names that we recognize because if not enough of them are playing then no one will watch anything other than the majors.
Look, this really presents a real danger to the PGA Tour. It really is all about the money. We've seen the first wave of players that have defected. There are more coming.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
@@humfreycollins2422 you bring up some very fair and salient points. I can't argue against what you are saying. Each of these players will have to make their own decisions. But let me point out a couple things. These golfers are not politicians. They are not human rights activists. They play golf, so I doubt that most of them particularly care about what's going on in Saudi Arabia. Maybe they should, but I'd bet that most of them have little awareness about what's going on there.
I don't know if you're English or American. My guess would be English. In the US the most powerful sports league is the NFL. Over the years there have been several noted attempts to create rival leagues to the NFL. All of them have failed within a year or two of their inception. And they failed because they didn't have the money to compete. None of the top NFL stars defected to rival leagues simply because they could earn only a fraction of what they could in the top professional sports league.
I believe the LIV golf series is a major threat to the PGA Tour. They have the money and they have time for their tour to take root. They have already removed 17 members from the PGA Tour. And there will be more defections to come. This new tour is just too lucrative for these golfers to ignore. Phil Mickelson was paid 200 million dollars to walk in the door, That's more than he earned in prize money during his entire career. Same for Dustin Johnson, Ian Poulter, Lee Westwood and others. Your comments were certainly fair and your points are well made. I would also say that there are other issues involved too. I think it's quite clear that Phil Mickelson and Greg Norman have issues with the PGA Tour. I think that's clear. There's something there. What that might be, well, I couldn't speculate. So, while money and plain old fashioned greed are probably at the heart of the matter, I'm sure there are other factors. This will play out over time but at the end of the day I think the PGA Tour will be greatly diminished.
You obviously dont watch the pga tour much if you had never heard of Scheffler before this year the best players are on the pga tour and the pga tour is the best product. LIV golf is going to be a joke and over before the end of the year you just watch
@@65g4 but isnt that the point though, Liv has got the more recognized names in their lineup and that would attract views. Chambeu dude is playing in the 2nd round, big hitter. Looks like Liv is slowly pulling in the attractions. In time, more younger players might also prefer to play there as well as it looks more savvy with the team drafts formats, fast paced, no cuts which guarantee u take home money, concerts, party which are all quite appealing to younger gen. But as u said, time will tell....
@@65g4 I watch the PGA Tour quite often. And you're right, the best players are on the PGA Tour. But I think LIV Golf will have more staying power than you might think. As you know, most professional sports leagues that have emerged to compete with the established powers just don't have a chance. And they fail primarily because they lack money. The notable exception was Major League Soccer which was different because there was no other league in this country. Obviously, it's clear that an upstart league like the USFL can't lure away players like Tom Brady or Christian McCaffrey. They don't have the money. But LIV Golf does have the cash. The only question is whether or not they have the willpower to endure the losses that they are going to take for several years. That's the unknown.
This is just a HUGE blunder by the PGA if they would have just given these guys the releases the players would have played a couple of these tournaments a year and it would go by the wayside after a few years.
@@TheBrindleBoxer
The PGA Tour broke away from the PGA Tour of America in the late 60’s for larger purses!! This is simply history repeating itself. The PGA Tour isn’t the big boy anymore and trying to position itself as the “Conscience of golf” is hysterical.
Wrong. Just wrong.
If you were an employer would you let your employees go work for a rival company to make a little extra cash on the side?
Happens all the time. Thats what INDEPENDENT contractors do. They don't work for just one company.
@@TheBrindleBoxer You are wrong, sorry!
Of course you’re gonna downplay LIV. You’re employed by the PGA tour if you speak against the PGA you will be fired and you will lose your pension
Play 8 tournaments a year with huge prize money and then focus on majors, i'd take it
And get booed like no get out in those majors . And lose the easy money sponsors like they have .
The PGA Tour has just about as much blood on their hands as the next organization. I don't see why players have to get lambasted for their decisions when monopolistic orgs are never held accountable.
This. No one seems to critique the PGA/European Tour when they hold events in Dubai and Saudi Arabia every year. So much for morals and growing the game lol
Or better yet, the PGA holding an event on tour in China a few years back with all of the Human Rights issues it has.
What about all the events PGA Tour holds in the USA ??
It ain't like the USA hasn't spilled innocent blood in the likes of Vietnam Afghanistan Iraq Etc let alone what about all the human rights violations in the USA Tuskegee Experiment MK Ultra etc
accept for all the charity they have done over the years, maybe that should have bought oil fields instead of donated to charity?
@@jholden5184 Charity is little more than money laundering
Brandel is wrong. Authoritarian. The asset which golfers have is the ability to play golf. It is their right and freedom to use their talent. The golfers do philanthropy with the money they earn, as they wish.
He kicked his wife to the curb for a younger woman. He has no standing.
LIV tour is solely an exhibition of golf, not competition of the game. No cut, everyone receives a $120,000 ‘trophy’ for participating. Certainly don’t blame some players for joining, but stop the nonsense that by joining LIV, they are promoting the game. Admit it, it’s a money grab
@@shooterjones7031 yes a money grab but very hypocritical of the PGA tour…it was fine when all of the European players go over for the money…mclroy comes to mind?..just the beginning…GOLF DOESNT JUST RESOLVE AROUND THE USA
@@shooterjones7031 everyone gets paid in baseball, basketball, and football whether they win or lose. Who cares
Of course they have the right. And now they can use that right to either play the PGA tour and see how they stack up with the best or admit they’re not that good and grab some easy cash. Only has beens, never will be, or the greedy will play Greg’s participation trophy joke of a tour.
So happy to see LIV and the drama happening. Who knows what will happen in the years to come. I suspect that LIV will peel off some PGA talent in the coming years as LIV grows and develops. You will always have your traditionalists and loyal fans. As new generations come into golf, that will be the telltale sign of what happens.
If the human rights thing was such a problem, America should have found their oil elsewhere after all these decades. Lord knows that we have enough in the country. I just think the human rights thing is being used in a pawn of this game of chess. Golf is golf. Nothing more, nothing less. The PGA allows golfers from some of our political enemies and not-so-friendly nations to play. The PGA was one of the last to accept ethnic minorities to play. So, the PGA has dirty hands too throughout their history. Not to mention, if look at the politics and social agendas of some of their sponsors and even members in their leadership, I bet you could find many faults. I can almost guarantee that much of the products they support are not all "Made in the USA".
Let the media and the activists have their day. In time, we will see how this works itself out. One day, there will be new leadership in the PGA and perhaps they will have a different view of things. Everyone talks about money. The PGA, the players, the sponsors, and all involved in the organization are knee deep in the money. The PGA is a business. It is not a charity.
Who are you so wise in the ways of golf?
Well said. Saw the 1st day of LIV golf. Quite a refreshing format. Shotgun appears to be much better viewing experience.
@@gregjonglee Thank you. I like being called wise.
Trump made us energy-independent. No more begging cutthroat governments for oil. Then Biden ruins it all. Whose hands are dirtier?
Why is that ? You can only watch one player at a time. Makes zero difference in viewing ho many start at the same time
Let players play where ever they want. Let them choose. No need to ban them. If PGA TOUR is the best tour of all, why they need to punish players who want to go and play some tournaments elsewhere?
PGA are THUGS who benefit from the players, they don't care about struggling players or anyone who doesn't benefit them as a brand.
you can't tell the pga what to do , if they want to ban players they can and if players want to go play for murderers ,they can...
because the devil always pays brilliant at first. But in the end he wants all the money back + interest rates.
schmidt devil? Look you religious fanatic, no devil is creating more opportunities for golfers. What an ignorant thing to say.
@J.P. Menger blood money? We spill blood, the most blood. In that respect they're going with less blood spilt.
Bad day for pga Great day for GOLF! no more pga for me just LIV and majors ! loved the tournament.brandel get real
Why do you think the best players never playing against each other is good for golf?
What LIV offers is certainly not good golf.
Just a bunch of overpaid guys taking a money grab.
I love golf, playing, practising, watching, the history, the majors all of it. Competition is good and IMO there's room for additional tours - LIV won't replace the PGA, DP etc. Nobody agrees with or condones the human rights issues, but I hope (maybe naively) that LIV can be a catalyst for change. We can't change the past, but we can change the future and some may need to look in the mirror when it comes to playing morality cards, given the arms and petrol deals currently being brokered. Certainly a divisive topic, but hopefully good things will come for golf and more importantly positive change for humanity.
Nobody also condones the meaningless killings in America because of their pathetic gun control regulations. Both nations are as bad as each other.
Arabian oil barons have owned football clubs like Manchester City and PSG for like 10-15 years now. If football, the world's most popular sport, can't be a catalyst for change in those regions, golf has no shot.
Not worried about China and the NBA. 😂🤣😂🤣
Well said! I am also here to learn how to invest after listening to a lady on tv talk about the importance of investing and how she made 7 figure in 3 month, somehow the video taught me nothing and left me even more confused, I'm a newbie and I'm open to ideas on how to invest for retirement
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Just watched all of the new LIV Golf 1st round as live in the UK. Awesome to see these players here and thoroughly enjoyed it. Not a clue what Chamblee was ranting on about. He needs to get into 'today' and 2022 as well as a lot of other people for that matter. The PGA seems like a controlling dictatorship to me.
It’s democrat hypocrisy.
Bank on my friend…your telling me that the PGA tour have never been sponsored or taken money directly or indirectly from the Saudis or wherever ….The PGA TOUR do have a monopoly!!!!! It is fine when all the best European golfers go to the PGA tour…wonder why that is….and for that dinosaur chamblee what a ??????? Question for you Americans do any of you actually listen to chamblee seriously…he is one horrendous golf analyst..every time I hear him I want to turn over
@@johnmurray5840 well said
While LIV Golf may not have the lions share of the best players in the world at this time, the quality of golf I saw today was better than the Korn Ferry and Champions Tour and the players geniunely seemed to be enjoyig themselves out there and like the guys on the PGA Tour, still get upset when they hit bad shots and bad putts. Brandel acts as though they're just there to get a check and nothing more. I disagree and found the golf and nuances of the broadcast surprisingly good, as I expected this first tournament to be a train wreck. I plan to continue to watch with the understanding that the product is only going to get better.
@@MikeBodo Better make it quick... golf's version of Arena League football won't be around long👍
Don’t golfers pick and choose which events they enter and which they don’t in their respective tours based on prize money? Let’s not forget golf is their job, and like most of us, work for a pay check.
“…like most of us, work for a paycheck…” 😂😂😂😂
they are not employees. They are members of an organization.
PGA Tour demands they play x-amount of events. The golfers do not have freedom even though independent contractors.
@@tomw9480 You have the freedom to join or not join. I believe you can be in a different tour and get an okay to play some tournaments like the European tour members.
@@tomw9480 15 out of 48. Oh the horror.
Brandel had one career win but now he’s an expert who is elite. We know he’s in the back pocket of the PGA Tour cause he is afraid of them. This guy is a Joke
I actually did watch his one career win, it was at the BellSouth
more hating from Brandel, PGA Tour messed up big time, it was super enjoyable to watch first round of LIV Golf TOURNAMENT
Branded Chamblee reading the talking points is the cherry on this whole “righteous” position the league is taking.
Hahaha I’m glad some people get it. Once again faith in mankind restored.
If ever a bloke was up himself it’s shamblee, not much of a golfer and has too much too say for my liking …obviously worried about his own job , should have been sacked years ago
Brandel acting like if he wasn’t offered a ton of money to be an analyst for them, that he wouldn’t take it 😂
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
i am an IndyCar fan, and I lived through most of our Split, and here are my takeaways from it that Golf needs to listen to or else the same fate will happen.
1. Fans will pick a side, and then they will become apathetic as the sides change drastically.
2. If The New Organization gets a Major Tournament from the Old one, the new group earns the leverage.
3. One tour will have the better golfers, but the other will have closer competition.
4. Sponsors will decide who wins, because No sponsor wants to support two rival organizations.
5. In the end, nobody wins, ratings will decline, and fans will find something else to do. The majors will be fine, but smaller events will be in trouble.
Buckle Up, and be respectful to the other side you disagree with, because if this split resolves within 5 years, most of the damage can be avoided. If not, It will be bad.
Sending my best wishes to every person in the industry, from a fan of IndyCar
Yeah , closer to the gutter . Heck Korn Ferry guys are a better group of players . LIV = Bush league ...
PGA is a monopoly. Let's have some competition. The viewers and sponsors will decide if there will parallel league or only one will survive.
Do you consider all the sports monopolies?
Ha , Let me see , most of the good players LOST sponsors ... And all 48 thousand on you tube were watching poor golf . Real exciting when the team competition was won by 14 shots
@@johnb2905 The PGA created the Champions tour to give their past champs a way to earn money while all other sports forget their past champs. They not only do that they also do the developmental tours and the LPGA. The current suspended players are no longer eligible for the Seniors tour. That might end up shocking them.
Brandel, often right, dead wrong here. No way are you counting Jack’s Tour winnings as the bulk of his wealth. It’s not. Same with Jordan. The bulk of their money came from their businesses, not their leagues. It’s truly a sad day for golf. Golfers stopped supporting each other over where they play. Bottom line, money. Exactly the same for the PGA. They’re upset about losing money for these “old” players.
Exactly what I thot Those figures r coming from palmer and Nicklaus brands/business etc… brandel is a snob anyhow
hey pal ,without the league , nobody would know their names and they would not be rich, talkin about M.J and Jack
@@holdem5180 Players make names for themselves, not the league’s. The world knew Jack at OSU, and MJ UNC-CH. Thanks but please try again, Pal.
All those players he mentioned made their money off of the name they made from sports . get it. This is not a hard concept.
@@insulatoru8817 All those players he mentioned made their money off of the name they made from sports . get it. This is not a hard concept.
I really enjoyed the LIV streaming on UA-cam. I had it playing in the background on my computer while I worked. Started it at 8:00 am (local) and was done right about the time lunch came around. Brillant!!
I guess I would make the intro a little less "nascar-ish" but otherwise I liked the format, onscreen scoring and the announcer staff was knowledgeable.
And seriously, if you are listening to and believing that blockhead Chamblee talk about golf, you need to get out a bit more. I've been golfing for 53 years, attend a couple PGA events each year, and that goofball always says something that is trying to "wax nostalgic", but comes out as PGA diarrhea.
So there.
Hoser
how was the over the hill gang . Did they use carts?
@@Gnofg PGA fanboy much?
“One of the saddest days in the history of golf.” How dramatic. I really don’t have a dog in this fight but the more I here these PGA Tour loyalists speak the more I want LIV to succeed. I still don’t understand what’s wrong with players choosing to go with a more financially secure tour.
Could not agree more man
Well said. Why does the pga deserve to be the only tour
@@jamesboyd361 Earth to james. There are multiple tours but the PGA is the pinnacle where you have to be the top to get on it. I thought you conservatives loved meritocracy.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
@@Gnofg but yet they pay the players like shit
Can't wait until the "Shell Houston Open" comes around again and the PGA tries to tell Shell Oil who and who they can & cannot invite to their tournament. Talk about a company that has nepotism with the Saudis.....that's a story I can't wait to see play out!
It’s not shell anymore, it’s Vivint
@@thomasmccarrick4169 Vivint is owned by Blackstone. Blackstone took funding from and has an office in Saudi Arabia.
FYI: if you go to the PGA Tours own website and go to their “partners” page you’ll see a litany of businesses many of which are connected and do business in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. These same corporate sponsors and TV contracts are what pay the current purses at PGA Tour events. Brandle, get off your self righteous ass, these players cut the “middle man” out and grabbed $$ directly from Saudi Arabia. Everyone has an opinion, but christ you are obnoxious. No wonder so many tour players can’t stand you!
5 years too late
@@tomzimmerman4841 So now the tournament is sponsored by Vivint. Blackstone owns Vivint. The Saudis invested tons of money in Blackstone and Blackstone has a huge office in Saudi Arabia.
Well, who brings in the most viewers? Obviously, Tiger is number 1. Then I’d say Phil is still a clear cut 2, and Dustin Johnson would certainly be around the top 5. This is a very bad move by the PGA. There aren’t all that many individuals that people care to watch and they just got rid of 2 of their best.
Bryson gets plenty of viewers in as well
Patrick Reed not so many
Brandel, what a hollow argument. Do you think the calibre of player on LIV has anything to do with the threats made (and followed through) by the PGA Tour?
What LIV have done is create more opportunities for golfers to compete on a world stage. That SHOULD be the mantra of the PGA Tour but they're too butt-hurt by the "competition" to get on board.
What we've seen is a poorly orchestrated PR campaign to try and discredit golfers and shut this format down before it's even started, using employing such poorly thought out phrases such as "BlOOD moNEy" to try and "cancel" those who have joined the tour. It's pathetic.
Stop trying to cancel everything, and stop being offended because some guys decided to get paid to play golf. Weirdly, if the aim of professional golf is to get paid for playing, then these guys literally just won.
Get off your high-horse!
WOW!! Brandel Chamblee is obviously speaking as a mouthpiece of the PGA!! It's as if HE has some personal axe to grind AGAINST the LIV Golf League! Sad to hear him speak SO negatively on the subject! Certainly, he's entitled to his opinion, but it's a sad opinion to blast so loudly...
Dumb example. Greg Norman Jack and Arnie all made their fortune from their personal businesses after the game, not from pga tour checks. Brandel has no case he’s a pain pga tour shill
I read Billy Casper's book he won 50 plus times....... he made more money on the Champions tour in like 5 years than he made his entire career on the PGA. Talents like this made the PGA and they worked for like nothing. I went to college with his daughter. Billy had 11 kids he traveled out of of a trailer!!!!!!!! These stars made money for the PGA. It took Billy years to pay back his starter loan so he could try to play living out of a trailer. The PGA made money while others worked for them and then only half get paid.
I am interested to see if/when one of the players legally challenges their suspension. The answer to all the issues surrounding the law and the PGA rules/control etc. will be put to bed. Good stuff. BTW...I don't blame the players who "jumped ship". Follow the $. It isn't complicated...they were lured by the prospects of huge $ and made their choice. Their interviews are filled with "its good for the game of golf etc"....whether true or not, I would respect them more if they would be more open that it is about the $. This is no different than businesses poaching talented executives. These players all got a "raise" and arguably better working conditions to "play". The difference is there are rules that all players on the PGA agreed to when the enrolled; again similar to non competition clauses business executives sign. Often those competition clauses if they go too far are struck by courts. Let's see what the courts have to say about the contractual terms of golfers and their PGA association. All good.
It's interesting that the PGA Tour is headquartered in Florida and non-compete agreements are legally enforceable there under certain conditions. However, most events are played outside of FL, so I'm not sure what the result would be. Will just have to wait and see how things go.
@ArnoldFine most of the interviews I’ve watched have mentioned doin it for money, more time with family, and excitement. I’d say more will go and pga will kick themselves looking back. They should’ve just kept ther head up high and looked over this. Definitely wouldn’t have recommended having Brandel opened his overpaid uppity bird lipped cake hole about it
@@iammars142 Have they moved to Texas yet????
@@shadowjohns I believe that's PGA of America that's moving to TX. Those are the guys with all the teaching pros and they host the PGA Championship. PGA Tour is a separate entity.
No Masters... no Fed Ex Cup.... these guys will end up playing 8 tournaments a year... maybe. And yes the PGA is a private entity... they can deny membership to whomever they want.
I think it's a great day for golf, and the as the PGA loses more players they will be forced to un-ban players and beg them to come back.
This is the best thing to happen to golf. Very exciting.
Nut is about right for the statement .
I watched the First round of Liv Golf and it was really fun seeing the players have a shot gun start and seeing the team aspect of it. I think the younger players are not jumping straight over because they want to see if Liv will work. In a few years if Liv is still going I think more younger players will be going over there.
I love shotgun starts it reminds me of a tourney at the local muni.
The coverage was great much faster paced then pga tour definitely.was different
It will still be going they have a $600 billion fund and basically a bottomless pit of money after that. GO LIV 👍
@@MaDMAn-mo2xw ya people are clueless about this league. It's only going to get bigger. 5 more u.s. names are set to join next event
@@PIP-zf9yb Don't bet on it . I'll take that bet btw.... Wait til this weekend when those LIV guys get booed and claps for missed putts happen .
Brandel once again shows that he doesn't "get it." Liv golf in its current state is closer to the various matches being played by celebrities than a PGA Tour event. That's the point. It's about golf as entertainment. Brandel acts like Phil and DJ don't move the needle in golf. The PGA Tour themselves acknowledge Phil as the 2nd most influential player in golf over the past year with their own PIP rankings. DJ was 7th.
Brandel has to act outraged here, but he could've come up with some better arguments.
I watched for five minutes and turned it off. Terrible product. I get to watch exhibition golf every time I play…I don’t need to waste my time watching others play it.
Exactly!! I will enjoy and be entertaining to seeing Liv player making a putt for 4 millions and the teams hacking for largest prize money ever!! And Maybe see these young kids from all over the world make life change putt. Also, going to wonder what’s Tiger, Rory and Thomas feeling afterwards….
I feel like the PGA did a mistake to suspend these golfers because I am 100% sure that these golfers would have continue to compete on the PGA tour if only to retain their ranking in the world rankings, because it's important if they want to continue qualifying for majors. Remember LIV only has 8 events leaving plenty of room open for golfers to play on other tours.
Liv is a competitor. This is akin if there were 2 professional baseball leagues that a player could play in both leagues.
@@Gnofg I'm saying this is bad for the PGA tour because they're losing these golfers who would otherwise have continued competing on the tour
@@Gnofg This is not the same thing, in football a player can't play in two leagues at the same time but in golf a player can play events on multiple tours
@@Gnofg Baseball players get a salary. Golfers do not. If they play good they get paid. If they play bad they dont.
This is the same as my full time employer suspending me because I decide to work at the weekend / work a 2nd job. PGA is wrong here.
If it was a second job with a company who is one of your competitors they deserve to be let go
Wrong, its because instead of going to your company to work during the week you went to work for another company. One of DJ's main sponsors is RBC. The RBC Canadian Open starts today and he is playing in London. Actually RBC WAS one of his sponsors, they terminated his contract.
You voted for Joe Biden.
Wrong, it's like you taking a second job then not showing up for the first without their permission because you went to the second instead on a Monday at 9am. You wouldn't get suspended, you'd be fired for ditching work.
@@4wheelliving132 Exactly
It's a good day for golf! No one should have the monopoly like the pga tour does.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
Do you think all the sports are monopolies? Would you be cool if the Saudi's financed a rival football league? Remember this is the Saudi government?
@@Gnofg yes
Like the NBA , MLB , and NBA ???
Never have watched golf before. Watched 2 rounds of the Liv match and will watch the 3rd. It's really entertaining
Bad golf is NOT entertaining ... You must not play the game .
I usually don’t agree with Brandell. But this was the best explanation behind my anger with this situation.
Relax Brandel, take a chill pill, sit back, and enjoy watching the game of golf. Geez…
Love it! Got to watch both tours this morning. All good for a golf fan. 🇨🇦
Agreed I loved the Liv broadcast was way faster paced then pga tour broadcast which shows every move tiger makes and if he can walk. This was rapid fire shots while still following the big names the closest. Was way better then I expected
@@PIP-zf9yb The shotgun start was a fantastic move. Get all the players on the course at the same time so you always have a shot to show. Only really possible with a small field like they have this week, but if this is the model going forward, I think it has a lot of potential.
@@iammars142 I don't see them adding many more players I like this format. although I think alot more will want to join in so maybe they would add a few more
@@PIP-zf9yb Would probably depend on the nature of their contracts with some of the lower ranked players. Those guys are expendable if it means getting a bigger name. Will see if they expand the field when Bryson plays in the next event or if they keep the same size but drop some guys.
@@iammars142 they are not expected to expand the field size per reports for the next event but if more guy join other then Bryson p reed and Fowler I think they would up it a bit. But part of their concept is smaller fields so I don't see it going over say 60 or so maybe add 12 spots and 3 teams or something
The issue is clear. Those in power at the PGA have a vested interested in maintaining their monopoly on professional golf. Furthermore, these professional golfers in the words of Brandel are 'independent contractors'. As such, they get to pick when and where they play and how much. Those in power on the PGA Tour want to restrain those who would like to consider other opportunities to play. I wonder if Brandel considers that perhaps these players of which he speaks are using the LIV Tour as well for their personal benefits? Several of them have made it clear this is a means to and ends and will give them capitol for the next phase in their lives. Yes, the PGA Tour does have the best retirement and pension plan in all professional sport, this is well documented. However, this does not negate these players from forgoing some of those benefits and considering other options to explore in their professional careers.
on the PGA tour a player has to score to win money while LIV just gives money to show up.
Just a though, NBA paid players to show up on the game and sit on the bench (not playing the whole game) some time the entire season (as a bench player) versus PGA players (beyond top 100 ranking with tour card) paid for themselves to show up to the tournament not even sure they are going to make any money at all if they miss the cut and potential loss their own money for caddie fee, etc and coming back home to face his/her family with less money in their bank account. PGA paid their tops player well but what about the rest (40%) of the fields who carry the tour card... LIV make that change, if you show up you make money, if you win you win big bonus...you are going to see a lots of beyond top 100 having a break thru, when they dont have to worry about feeding their family, they will play more free, try to make more birdies and the give will be more exciting for everyone... Just a though....
There is appearance money on the PGA tour
@@rtrichar Please do the research , From google: Do PGA golfers get appearance money?
It all comes down to guaranteed cash. European Tour events are allowed to pay appearance fees which they almost comically classify as “promotional services fees." PGA Tour events, on the other hand, are unable to pay “promotional services fees."
The PGA tour wants to be a monopoly plain and simple.
I agree 💯
What a fantastic takedown by Mr. Chamblee.
They would have paid 1 billion for a 46 year old limping past his prime tiger woods, with all respect to the goat. If that happened Brando would be crapping his pants. And the broadcast for Liv golf would smash PGA tour ratings.
And did Tiger go?
@@Gnofg just give it time, everybody has a price..if u want competitive golf tiger is the last guy u want. It's not about top 10 players, its about who moves the needle like Phil who draws 10 times more than Scottie scheffler and will for years.
Kneel before Zod, Jack, Tiger, and the golf channel. We own golf forever
Agree
Certainly you felt the same when the PGA Tour - demanding X-amount of events - destroyed the European Tour.
PGA has and always will be the tour of the best players . If you want to play the best it's ALWAYS BEEN PLAY THE PGA TOUR .
@@johnb2905 PGA Tour did not exist in its current form until 1968
Things change sometimes
If the pga had treated their players well enough, they wouldn’t be looking to sign with LIV. Simple as that.
the hell are you talking about? The PGA could have treated their players like kings but if you throw millions of dollars are people, it doesn't matter. People will reach for the money. Did you even listen to Brandel? 3 out of the 4 richest athletes of all time from from the PGA TOUR. Tiger, Jack, Arnie. Phil had made more money with the PGA Tour than David Beckham who was in a sport far more popular than golf. PGA tour did a great job and will continue to do a great job.
@@jholden5184 with a little deductive reasoning it’s easy to understand that it’s a cop out argument to say that the career earnings of tiger, jack, Arnie, etc is reflective of the compensation of pga tour players as a whole. Just like Lebron didn’t become a billionaire solely from his nba salary. LIV golf wouldn’t have been as appealing of a transition if the PGA gave its players the freedom to be more selective with their participation. And of course, add that freedom to a larger paycheck, you can’t blame players for finding it appealing.
It's true, as a PGA professional, the working conditions are brutal. Getting paid millions to do what we pay thousands for, on courses we aren't allowed on. All equipment paid with endorsements.
If these aren't human rights violations, what are??
WRONG
This was day 1 for LIV golf. Can only get better. Really enjoyed it considering it was their first day of a start up. Must be open minded to other options. Brandel sounds bias.
Brandel always fashions himself as the smartest guy in the room. The high earners in the PGA tour are a relative handful, that means course income plus endorsements. He names Palmer, Nicklaus, Woods, etc. They are the exceptions to the general rule. The big endorsement income is very narrowly allocated. The average PGA tour pro, one of the best players in the world who made his way to the premier tour in the game, last year GROSSED $1,485,000. That’s before caddies, travel and all related expenses. That means he netted well less than $1,000,000. Add in what the AVERAGE guy gets in endorsements which ain’t much, e.g., 50,000 for a hat and bag logo, and maybe another 100,000-200,000 in outings, etc. means that a guy who is probably in the best 150 players in the world makes a million or so a year, less than a journeyman reliever in pro baseball. All of the endorsement wealth in pro golf that puts golfers up there with guys in other sports is spread among about 10-15 guys on the PGA tour. The other 125 or so are earning only “decent” money for a relatively short career, largely over at 40. And if taking Saudi money is shameful, what about the NBA and China, which is a treasure trove for players and the league?
The "NBA and China" a popular poster example of recent vintage, conveniently overlooks probably 5x as many years of the PGA Tour and brutal South African Apartheid. No need to reference another sport when the game of Golf itself has its own longer history of financial relationships with human rights and atrocities violators.
They should be allowed to play in whatever competition they like.
Watched some of first round on UA-cam, it was pretty awesome. I will be in the gallery for the next event in Portland. Can't wait. I get the impression that the PGA tour and the hypocrites online are a bit salty. 😂😂😂
Exactly. I can’t wait to go see them in Chicagoland…meanwhile when the PGA Tour can go three years without even coming to the Chicagoland area. NBA has multi-billion dollar partnerships with the Chinese government too, whom are still operating concentration camps, child slave labor building LeBron’s $300 shoes, etc. and nobody questioning that.
@@WinstonSmith24 Exactly! Couldn't agree more. Our society in general is a special bunch. They make it sound like these guys are golfing for the exact people that killed the journalist. Couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth, but you know our media... 😉
Have fun watching Ian Poulter shoot 78 in Portland
There is a mass beheading of gay people in Saudi Arabia next month. Maybe you can attend that also.
I watched 20 min. and was seeing some POOR ASS golf ... Real fun watching Phil shoot 10 OVER ... NOT ...
None of the Top Players he's mentioned on PGA tour currently have more Majors than Phil. Dustin Johnson has third longest rein at #1 plus 2 Majors, he's acting like they're bums. ✌
Love LIV golf! Who the hell do the PGA tour think they are holding players captive
The tone of these recent videos makes me smile. The PGA is right to be worried.
I went to the Memorial tournament. Love watching golf. That being said, the PGA went woke. I lost all respect for the PGA when they cut ties with Trump. The leadership has made a number of mistakes including this.
It is nice to see LIV golf going to Trump National in Bedminster and Miami. Bedminster was sacrificed on the Altar of Woke by the PGA because Orange Man Bad. Cry more, PGA and Golf Channel.
I can see both sides. Freedom to play where and when i chose is cool. Golf is a business. Oil is a huge business. Its ok for America to buy Saudi oil but not their golf is hypocrtical. Oil money is paying these golfers.
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
Why not use China and the NBA? Was it worth it to sell their product to a country like that? Have your
League associated with that country? At this point it’s extremely hypocritical to be mad at this but not at that.
@@JohnpaulDejoria666 - The NBA was a Johnny-Come-Lately to China. American Corporations had been in China for Decades prior...hell, Dick Nixon even took time off from his domestic criminality to visit China on their behalf in 1972.
The US sold Saudi for over $30 BILLION weapons last year. The US got 1 MILLION Iraqis………….hypocracy perhaps ?
@@humfreycollins2422 how many places have you copied and pasted this sorry argument? Want to feel better about it? Look at it as these guys getting some of the money back all the first world countries around the world give SA for oil and gas
What's the PGA gonna do when more players who are ranked in the top 20 in the world leave for the LIV events?
C'mon, money talks, and Brandel is purely a shill for the tour. So, these boys are making in a couple months what it would take them a lifetime; and never guaranteed, to earn on the tour. I mean, you only live twice. Brandel, try and form an argument that does not come out of your backside.
Bramble, I have enjoyed your commentary over the years, but you have sadly succumbed to the new order of blaming and shaming and cancelling , wake up brother, move with times man, come on! You are abusing your platform here and throwing politics into this great new golf tournament. Your fellow Americans do business with Saudi, FI racing is in Saudi, come on where is your logic.
You are filled with fear and it is showing. This is great for golf and fans.
The PGA tour does not care about “morals”. They are scared, so stop getting mad at their repetitive talking points. They’re so stupid, suspending these players like this is just gonna make more of the 30+ year old bigger names who already have deep pockets mad and go to LIV.
No... it won't. Lol!
The PGA commentator's jobs are on the line if they back LIV golf league. Sounds like politics in the US right now, if your not with us your against us, so sad that golf is because of power and control. I'm watching LIV golf now to show my support for those who have choice to be brave and stand against the PGA and now we see the real PGA and its not so nice anymore. The innocents of golf is gone and the days of playing a great game has taken a sad turn.
and all this only came to light when Liv came about. Not saying the Saudi's are the good guys here at all but they are doing a good job of exposing massive hypocrisy surrounding professional golf.
@@darrenhill3514 Lines are being drawn that are revealing the true on both sides. I hope and pray all works out for the game of golf and tfor hose who work hard at making it better than ever.
I love it!!!! Its up to date and I love the shotgun start
Yeah 54 hole's and shotgun. Reminds me pga junior state league for young kids. Even high school golf starts off 1st tee generally. LIV is more like a "circus" type of "golf."
I finally agree with Brandel 100% spot on
The Golf Channel is in for a big surprise once they realize everyone does not agree with them, and when the ratings start coming it. I bet more people tuned in to the LIV event than the Canadian Open.
PGA & Brandel sound like a 'jealous lover', more choices and competition are always good.
All the LIV players are locked up by contract, they are "contracted", not independent, and by contract they could not decide to pass on a couple of LIV events and play in some other tournament, you know, for the benefit of their family, or they would be sued.
...which I'm assuming they knew going in.
liv was letting them complete in both
The golf channel continues to embarrass themselves the more they talk about liv….Chamblee is gonna sit there and talk about the average rank of guys going to play for them as if there bums…why is the golf channel and pga so worried about it then?? I laughed so hard when he said paying the players is gonna cut into the philanthropic money as if the pga doesn’t have enough money
You got to ask yourself if the money was right, is there anywhere you wouldn't play? Would you have played in apartheid South Africa sponsored by the government for example? What if Vladimir Putin had a tournament, would you legitimize his regime by playing there and cashing in millions of dollars? The real question is about decency - are you a moral person or not? Should golfers be held to higher ethical standards than footballers or F1 drivers? My answer is a resounding YES!!! The founding fathers of golf were all gentlemen who played with great honour and a sense of responsibility because they were role models for society. Think of Jack and Arnold who established the PGA. It’s not all about money you know it’s also about history and legacy and being decent citizens of the world.
The Golf Channel will continue to speak bad about the Liv Tour, or for that fact, any tour that’s not the PGA. They all have jobs that they are afraid of loosing if they say one positive word about Liv. All these people talking about legacy or your dedication to the PGA, are all the people who would leave there jobs in a heartbeat if they were offered much much more money. Stop with the yes men mentality and speak on truth. The Golf Channel is turning into CNN.
I totally agree with your comments.
Brandel contradicted himself calling these guys selfish and also pointing out they are independent contractors, so which is it? You’re only independent if you stay on the PGA tour? Doesn’t make sense.
It seems like a lot of pga water carrying in these recent interviews.
I smell bullshit, all bullshit from the golf channel.
And any one of those "non-best golfers" could beat Chamblee like a step child.
If the PGA was truly the pinnacle and took great care of their players, the only players they would lose would be guys who weren't making cuts and making money. DJ, Phil, Bryson, Sergio, and the others didn't ruin their reputations. I have more respect for them for branching out and standing up to the monopoly. If the PGA and their supporters are so concerned with atrocities and human rights violations, they'll quit gassing up their cars, helicopters, and planes. They'll quit having their merch and their gear made in China. That is a very hypocritical statement.
Make no mistake, the PGA Tours greed has created this.
I enjoyed watching LIV golf
Brandel I think you would find that more people are interested in watching Phil than Sam burns for example. To bring OWGR into the equation doesn’t cater for the majority of golf fans… essentially the more the PGA tour gets try’s to influence LIV the more publicity that LIV gets and the more successful It will become. I bet numerous other players are considering making the switch.
Dude there's only 48 spots ... And they are almost full with guys they paid to play .... So it ain't happening .
LIV was great today. much better event than i thought it would be.The PGA should wake up and get with the times.
WRONG
Such a great statement about what the PGA stands for and why this is a sad day for golf
It's a sad day for corporations the PGA is indebted to, boo hoo