Love your videos. Only discovered your channel a month ago. But I’m already a big fan. I have had my Derwent intense for years and thought I needed more different brands. But you’ve got me reaching for them again instead of forking out more money. I appreciate it.
Those were out before Kuretake ... I bought a set that is labeled Boko Undo long before a Kuretake set was born. The original name was Boko Undo. It's a long standing Japanese ink manufacturer for hundreds of years. Those are the same ink that is in their bottles.
I love your “rambling” Pete. I noticed I tend to deliberately seek out and enjoy UA-cam videos from peeps who talk a lot and do so in a similar flow of consciousness way. I don’t really enjoy the super slick, super edited stuff, personally. That’s not why I go on UA-cam (there is TV for that). My brain works in a similar fashion so I find it super comforting. It’s good to have different kinds of voices here on UA-cam. Also you are really funny (at least to me).
Thank you! 🙂 I agree. UA-cam is so overproduced now. I never liked that. People are trying so hard to be professional that they come off as fake. Well, there's nothing professional about me. I'm just having fun. 😂
1:43 I don't think that it's necessarily copied design. Not in any way different to Western watercolour pans being the same sizes between brands and different western brand sets having a very similar colour selection and packaging. I don't know much but from what I have found, gansai is traditional Japanese paint, it's in wider pans because it's traditionally used with larger calligraphy brushes. The alternative ways I have seen it presented is set in larger individual ceramic bowls (little but larger than the rectangular pans), and in powdered pigment jars to be mixed with a binder and water in individual ceramic bowls.
That's interesting. I understand where you're coming from. I think there is a "scarcity clause" or an "established recognition" clause (it's not called either of these things) that might apply. So since most manufacturers use the same size standardized pans they do not infringe on each other. But, even though traditional Japanese pans are bigger, in the market place of each country there can be an established packaging that is synonymous with a certain brand, then a case can be made. However, I am usually wrong about most things in life and I am definitely not trained in trademark law so I could be 100% wrong.
Loved the piece! This set of inks are interesting. I already have the Kuretake set, now these have been added to my wishlist. P.S. I can’t believe contrasty is a word! Never heard of it before. Your channel is so educational, lol. Keep Rambling!
Yak on. Lol. I like the sumi part best. It's richer looking. I know nothing about them. I own Kura take paints but haven't tried other brands. Your colors are very pretty in this painting.
I love these paints, and you know I thought these exact paints a couple years ago, but then they were called Boku-Undo! They’ve either changed their name or were bought out. You’re going to want the other set too!
I also saw a black set that had blue-black, red-black, etc. I think that set has a brown-black in it. They show the two sets together on the same page so I think they consider the black set and the shadow set different sets.
The company that makes these is Boku-Undo. They have been around a while. I think the pan size and presentation is just a japanese style. Like how different brands of paint come in half pans.
That is my understanding now. I prefer these huge pans for what I do. Someone else mentioned they are so big because they use large quill brushes for traditional work so that makes sense too. Thanks! 👍🏻
Yeah, when you add black to yellow, it turns green. But, at least when diluted it starts to look more yellow. These really are nice looking colors! Thanks for another great video. There are a lot of different companies making Japanese style paints and the packaging all looks pretty similar, so not sure who copied whom, but I get what you're saying. Keep on yapping. We love ya! And ignore the art gatekeepers. It must be miserable to be so wound up that someone feels like they have to gatekeep a stranger in their art journey. Please don't stop sharing your art and wit. I love your humor and watching your videos. It's the best virtual coffee break of my week. (Work has been especially, overwhelmingly stressful the past two months, so your videos, along with a few other artists I follow, are my grounding and my touchstone to the art world right now. It means more than you may know.) Cheers!
Thank you so much for your kind words and support. I'm glad you get something out of these that raises your spirits. I'll keep going as long as there are people who keep enjoying what I'm doing. Have a great rest of your week! 🙂
I'm getting so confused on what to buy with the Inktense blocks or pencils, etc. or graphitint blocks or pencils or charcoal blocks or pencils. Arghhh. I got the Kuretake Graphitint paints which are pretty good, just don't know if the rest are worth it or not. Do you have an opinion on the best? I don't want to use the Sumi ink products as they have animal bone and skin in them and I'm Vegan. Cool painting.
Ok, I hate saying "best" because it really depends on what works with your style or at least how you work. I have a video coming up comparing the 2. The reason I own all those things is because I enjoy all those things but I bought them over many years. The ink is bright and pops. If that is your preference then I would buy a small set of inktense blocks (12 or 24) and then buy a small set of their pencils (same colors as the blocks). I would do the same with the graphitint set if you like a softer more velvety look. The reason why I say this is because you can always do your first layers painting with the blocks and then go back in with the pencils and create more fine detail. They are designed to work together. Whatever way you decide, I would get a small set to make sure you like using them and then you can always buy individual colors as you find you need them. Derwent is good in that they offer open stock. I hope this helps. 🙂
Many Japanese watercolors come in this size pan. And Boku-Undo (the manufacturer, has been in business for 974 years with their sumi ink products being around for over 200 years. Not sure who is copying who and I don't really care but I love many of their sets and appreciate that they are an eco friendly company making fun art supplies for a very affordable price! Keep the great videos coming! I use them like watercolor paints as well with the sumi set being my favorite (E03-E08) which are the 'blackish' colors
came here to say the same! Also that shadow palette is a palette of traditional Japanese watercolour/ink hues(which is also why there are only certain colours), not Kuretake’s invention either. Kuretake were just the company that marketed these traditional products to the West, they are not the originators!😂 I mentioned this in another comment on a different video but I have spent part of my childhood in Belgium and still have family there and this reminds me of how the Belgian company Lotus rebranded their version of Speculoos biscuits as Biscoff for the international market and now everyone outside of Belgium thinks that Lotus invented Speculoos and call them Biscoff. Speculoos are a traditional Belgian biscuit (and similar biscuits also exist in neighbouring countries) that has existed for a very long time and continues to be made by many different brands and bakers in Belgium. It’s really kind of clever of these brands to have spotted and exploited an opportunity, but it’s kind of irritating to people from those cultures when it happens. On the plus side, it means that if you do your research sometimes you can get those same things at much higher quality than the internationally branded items if you buy local brands from the source country or eBay. E.g. I much prefer Kissho to Kuretake gansai paints.
PS - Pete, the rectangular pans are gansai pans, the large round pans are teppachi. The paint is the same. Since you like very large pans you may enjoy teppachi. Kissho also sell teppachi. You may want to check them out!
Imagine if say, Daniel Smith intensely marketed watercolour paints in your average western 12 colour split primaries plus green/earth etc tin set to Mars(have to use Mars because Western culture is so pervasive) and were the first to do that intensely, and in a way that gave the impression this was exclusive to them, so they became popular there, and Martians called them the branded name of “Daniel Smith Watercolour. Now imagine the Martians suddenly came across a set from Winsor and Newton and accused them of copying DS for selling (and manufacturing) watercolour paints and using DS’s “proprietary” half pans, tin set and similar hues! Clever branding…
All very good points. I especially like the ignorant point above since it is exactly what I asked for in the video. 😂 But one of my points is, I just replied to someone else's comment who also mentioned this. I have no idea about trademark law but I seem to remember reading something about an "established packaging" clause (it's not called that) which is established in each market. So even though other companies in Japan may do that, it doesn't mean it would be allowed here if one brand established that packaging for years without anyone else using it in this country. While the standard full or half pans have been used by every company here without any challenges so it's accepted as "standard". But again, I don't know I'm just guessing based on what I remembered reading about a while ago. 👍🏻
I'm here for the rambling but the comment about you never getting to the point made me laugh so hard. Also commenting takes more energy than I have had lately but I'm always watching 👀 Always. Watching.
There are quite a few colors I don’t care for, why does that upset people? Use what you like and HOW you like, yea? Pete, that green reminds me of baby poop. UGH, however in the painting it looks good. I am one of those people who LOVE THE RAMBLE. Keep it up….on please no soft music….keep up the rants and rambles. We who are in the know, KNOW. 😊
@@denisebiely5998 PS - jk obviously! I thought that green dried out to a hue much closer to that on the package eventually. Or was that just my impression?
Its like when a brand name becouse synonymous for the product like take a Tylenol or take an aspirin...its not the brand they care about its the product
It's a mossy green to me but it's fair to say it's a yellow green. It's not what I think of when I think of representing the yellow family of colors but I also think people can decide that on their own. People used to think blue was a shade of green.
I understand, that's why I was hoping for a little more of a warm slightly orange yellow like a gamboge or yellow deep color, or even a yellow ochre color would work for me. 👍🏻
the paint size actually isn't that unique to the other paint company btw. Pretty much all japanese watercolor comes in those sizes. Just like how western watercolors only have 2 variations for the most part. Full and half pans. It's not stealing lol. If anything it's just handy for people to have standard sizes between brands.
I do think that is an interesting point. I just replied to someone else's comment who also mentioned this. I have no idea about trademark law but I seem to remember reading something about an "established packaging" clause (it's not called that) which is established in each market. So even though other companies in Japan may do that, it doesn't mean it would be allowed here if one brand established that packaging for years without anyone else using it in this country. While the standard full or half pans have been used by every company here without any challenges so it's accepted as "standard". But again, I don't know I'm just guessing based on what I remembered reading about a while ago. 👍🏻
Haha Pete, can you imagine the folks making cave paintings thousands of years ago, being told “no, you can’t grind up that rock or flower, or charred bone to paint, because that’s not how we do it. Meh, charleton.” 🙂↔️. 🤣
I am confused by the fact that these are considered inks... Inks for me must be liquid... not solid. If is solid, then it would be an "ink stick"... but those need to be rubbed against a stone with water to create liquid ink...
I have no idea what they do but somehow they solidify the ink, they make it water soluble, but after you put it on the page it's permanent, but the block or pan are still watersoluble even though it was wet and dried also. It's alien technology, that's all there is to it. 😳
Listening on Monday morning with coffee. Lovely way to start the day. ❤️❤️❤️ have a great week!
Thank you Linda! You too! 🙂
Love your videos. Only discovered your channel a month ago. But I’m already a big fan. I have had my Derwent intense for years and thought I needed more different brands. But you’ve got me reaching for them again instead of forking out more money. I appreciate it.
Thank you! Welcome to the channel. I'm glad these videos help you. You can do so many things with them. They are quite amazing products. 🙂
Those were out before Kuretake ... I bought a set that is labeled Boko Undo long before a Kuretake set was born.
The original name was Boko Undo. It's a long standing Japanese ink manufacturer for hundreds of years. Those are the same ink that is in their bottles.
Very interesting. Thanks for the info. 👍🏻
@@IllustrationsByPeteA good idea is a good idea, imo. Don't forget they are mixed with Black Sumi-e ink.
I like listening to you ramble while I paint.
Thank you! I appreciate you. 🙂
i like to watch your vid while doin the dishes, so i appreciate the yap sesh lol
I watch videos when I do the dishes too! You know what they say about great minds. 🙂
I love your “rambling” Pete. I noticed I tend to deliberately seek out and enjoy UA-cam videos from peeps who talk a lot and do so in a similar flow of consciousness way. I don’t really enjoy the super slick, super edited stuff, personally. That’s not why I go on UA-cam (there is TV for that). My brain works in a similar fashion so I find it super comforting. It’s good to have different kinds of voices here on UA-cam. Also you are really funny (at least to me).
Thank you! 🙂 I agree. UA-cam is so overproduced now. I never liked that. People are trying so hard to be professional that they come off as fake. Well, there's nothing professional about me. I'm just having fun. 😂
1:43 I don't think that it's necessarily copied design. Not in any way different to Western watercolour pans being the same sizes between brands and different western brand sets having a very similar colour selection and packaging. I don't know much but from what I have found, gansai is traditional Japanese paint, it's in wider pans because it's traditionally used with larger calligraphy brushes. The alternative ways I have seen it presented is set in larger individual ceramic bowls (little but larger than the rectangular pans), and in powdered pigment jars to be mixed with a binder and water in individual ceramic bowls.
That's interesting. I understand where you're coming from. I think there is a "scarcity clause" or an "established recognition" clause (it's not called either of these things) that might apply. So since most manufacturers use the same size standardized pans they do not infringe on each other. But, even though traditional Japanese pans are bigger, in the market place of each country there can be an established packaging that is synonymous with a certain brand, then a case can be made. However, I am usually wrong about most things in life and I am definitely not trained in trademark law so I could be 100% wrong.
Love your painting!
Thank you! I appreciate you. 🙂
Loved the piece! This set of inks are interesting. I already have the Kuretake set, now these have been added to my wishlist. P.S. I can’t believe contrasty is a word! Never heard of it before. Your channel is so educational, lol. Keep Rambling!
Thank you Cherice! I appreciate you. 🙂
Well I learned a new word today! Contrasty 😂😂 Love your rambling videos Pete❤
Thank you! I appreciate you. 🙂
Yak on. Lol. I like the sumi part best. It's richer looking. I know nothing about them. I own Kura take paints but haven't tried other brands. Your colors are very pretty in this painting.
Thank you. I agree, I enjoy the Sumikundo inks more. Although I can get similar results with both they are much easier to work with. 👍🏻
Sumikundo does have additional 6 color set, try15429 Pale Black Tan and 15452 shadow black. I love these for painting
I did see that other set but I haven't bought it yet. It's on my list. I'm glad you enjoy it. 👍🏻
I love these paints, and you know I thought these exact paints a couple years ago, but then they were called Boku-Undo! They’ve either changed their name or were bought out. You’re going to want the other set too!
On the back in small letters I did see that same name but they are marketed as Sumikundo. I already want the other set. 😂
New named set has an orangish. My set has the brown. Time to order the new set😊
I also saw a black set that had blue-black, red-black, etc. I think that set has a brown-black in it. They show the two sets together on the same page so I think they consider the black set and the shadow set different sets.
@@UJB123 Absolutely. It’s the only fair thing to do! 🤭
I love this video. Love this style of painting too! Thank you so much :)
Thank you! I appreciate you. 🙂
Contrasty…..my new word of the day.
😜😂
The company that makes these is Boku-Undo. They have been around a while. I think the pan size and presentation is just a japanese style. Like how different brands of paint come in half pans.
That is my understanding now. I prefer these huge pans for what I do. Someone else mentioned they are so big because they use large quill brushes for traditional work so that makes sense too. Thanks! 👍🏻
Wow! Love these colors!
They are very nice to look at and even better to work with. 👍🏻
Yeah, when you add black to yellow, it turns green. But, at least when diluted it starts to look more yellow. These really are nice looking colors!
Thanks for another great video. There are a lot of different companies making Japanese style paints and the packaging all looks pretty similar, so not sure who copied whom, but I get what you're saying.
Keep on yapping. We love ya! And ignore the art gatekeepers. It must be miserable to be so wound up that someone feels like they have to gatekeep a stranger in their art journey. Please don't stop sharing your art and wit. I love your humor and watching your videos. It's the best virtual coffee break of my week. (Work has been especially, overwhelmingly stressful the past two months, so your videos, along with a few other artists I follow, are my grounding and my touchstone to the art world right now. It means more than you may know.)
Cheers!
Thank you so much for your kind words and support. I'm glad you get something out of these that raises your spirits. I'll keep going as long as there are people who keep enjoying what I'm doing. Have a great rest of your week! 🙂
Ha! Soft music, indeed. Meh, I can listen to music whenever, but to hear someone ramble... I'm here! lol
Thanks Carmen! I appreciate you. 🙂
I'm getting so confused on what to buy with the Inktense blocks or pencils, etc. or graphitint blocks or pencils or charcoal blocks or pencils. Arghhh. I got the Kuretake Graphitint paints which are pretty good, just don't know if the rest are worth it or not. Do you have an opinion on the best? I don't want to use the Sumi ink products as they have animal bone and skin in them and I'm Vegan. Cool painting.
But kuretake also is not vegan
Ok, I hate saying "best" because it really depends on what works with your style or at least how you work. I have a video coming up comparing the 2. The reason I own all those things is because I enjoy all those things but I bought them over many years. The ink is bright and pops. If that is your preference then I would buy a small set of inktense blocks (12 or 24) and then buy a small set of their pencils (same colors as the blocks). I would do the same with the graphitint set if you like a softer more velvety look. The reason why I say this is because you can always do your first layers painting with the blocks and then go back in with the pencils and create more fine detail. They are designed to work together. Whatever way you decide, I would get a small set to make sure you like using them and then you can always buy individual colors as you find you need them. Derwent is good in that they offer open stock. I hope this helps. 🙂
@@IllustrationsByPete Thank you, appreciate it.
@@NinaQueena Yeah, used to be.
Many Japanese watercolors come in this size pan. And Boku-Undo (the manufacturer, has been in business for 974 years with their sumi ink products being around for over 200 years. Not sure who is copying who and I don't really care but I love many of their sets and appreciate that they are an eco friendly company making fun art supplies for a very affordable price! Keep the great videos coming! I use them like watercolor paints as well with the sumi set being my favorite (E03-E08) which are the 'blackish' colors
Sorry to say it but this you tuber is the most ignorant art tubers I've ever seen , the amount of stupid comments and things he does is ridiculous.
came here to say the same! Also that shadow palette is a palette of traditional Japanese watercolour/ink hues(which is also why there are only certain colours), not Kuretake’s invention either. Kuretake were just the company that marketed these traditional products to the West, they are not the originators!😂 I mentioned this in another comment on a different video but I have spent part of my childhood in Belgium and still have family there and this reminds me of how the Belgian company Lotus rebranded their version of Speculoos biscuits as Biscoff for the international market and now everyone outside of Belgium thinks that Lotus invented Speculoos and call them Biscoff. Speculoos are a traditional Belgian biscuit (and similar biscuits also exist in neighbouring countries) that has existed for a very long time and continues to be made by many different brands and bakers in Belgium. It’s really kind of clever of these brands to have spotted and exploited an opportunity, but it’s kind of irritating to people from those cultures when it happens. On the plus side, it means that if you do your research sometimes you can get those same things at much higher quality than the internationally branded items if you buy local brands from the source country or eBay. E.g. I much prefer Kissho to Kuretake gansai paints.
PS - Pete, the rectangular pans are gansai pans, the large round pans are teppachi. The paint is the same. Since you like very large pans you may enjoy teppachi. Kissho also sell teppachi. You may want to check them out!
Imagine if say, Daniel Smith intensely marketed watercolour paints in your average western 12 colour split primaries plus green/earth etc tin set to Mars(have to use Mars because Western culture is so pervasive) and were the first to do that intensely, and in a way that gave the impression this was exclusive to them, so they became popular there, and Martians called them the branded name of “Daniel Smith Watercolour. Now imagine the Martians suddenly came across a set from Winsor and Newton and accused them of copying DS for selling (and manufacturing) watercolour paints and using DS’s “proprietary” half pans, tin set and similar hues! Clever branding…
All very good points. I especially like the ignorant point above since it is exactly what I asked for in the video. 😂
But one of my points is, I just replied to someone else's comment who also mentioned this. I have no idea about trademark law but I seem to remember reading something about an "established packaging" clause (it's not called that) which is established in each market. So even though other companies in Japan may do that, it doesn't mean it would be allowed here if one brand established that packaging for years without anyone else using it in this country. While the standard full or half pans have been used by every company here without any challenges so it's accepted as "standard". But again, I don't know I'm just guessing based on what I remembered reading about a while ago. 👍🏻
Very interesting. I’d love to see you use Inktense more!
I will do that. I love your profile thumbnail. It reminds me of a painting I did years ago. I need to paint a little more like that again. 👍🏻
@@IllustrationsByPete Thank you! And great, I look forward to it.
I'm here for the rambling but the comment about you never getting to the point made me laugh so hard. Also commenting takes more energy than I have had lately but I'm always watching 👀 Always. Watching.
I'm always glad to hear from you. I hope everything is going well. 🙂
There are quite a few colors I don’t care for, why does that upset people? Use what you like and HOW you like, yea?
Pete, that green reminds me of baby poop. UGH, however in the painting it looks good.
I am one of those people who LOVE THE RAMBLE. Keep it up….on please no soft music….keep up the rants and rambles. We who are in the know, KNOW. 😊
Thank you Denise! I appreciate you and all you do. 🙂
@@denisebiely5998 if you don’t like quin violet we cannot be friends. Period. 😆
I almost typed “quin violent” 😆
@@denisebiely5998 PS - jk obviously! I thought that green dried out to a hue much closer to that on the package eventually. Or was that just my impression?
I think it looked a little closer as it dried. 👍🏻
Seen these same tone paints called graphite
Yeah, that was last week's video. They are great too!
(eyeroll) What's not to like? Really. Keep at it!
I sure will. 👍🏻
I do not believe in “art rules” unless you are saying Art Rules!😎🤪
😎😂 That's great!
Its like when a brand name becouse synonymous for the product like take a Tylenol or take an aspirin...its not the brand they care about its the product
That's a good point.
Looks yellow to me id say maroon yellow green bluegreen
It's a mossy green to me but it's fair to say it's a yellow green. It's not what I think of when I think of representing the yellow family of colors but I also think people can decide that on their own. People used to think blue was a shade of green.
I don't think a true yellow is possible with shadow or graphite colors because of the black. Yellow mixed with black is green.
I understand, that's why I was hoping for a little more of a warm slightly orange yellow like a gamboge or yellow deep color, or even a yellow ochre color would work for me. 👍🏻
@@IllustrationsByPete it would be nice to have that option. Maybe the manufacturers are listening.
Could be. You never know. 👍🏻
the paint size actually isn't that unique to the other paint company btw. Pretty much all japanese watercolor comes in those sizes. Just like how western watercolors only have 2 variations for the most part. Full and half pans. It's not stealing lol. If anything it's just handy for people to have standard sizes between brands.
I do think that is an interesting point. I just replied to someone else's comment who also mentioned this. I have no idea about trademark law but I seem to remember reading something about an "established packaging" clause (it's not called that) which is established in each market. So even though other companies in Japan may do that, it doesn't mean it would be allowed here if one brand established that packaging for years without anyone else using it in this country. While the standard full or half pans have been used by every company here without any challenges so it's accepted as "standard". But again, I don't know I'm just guessing based on what I remembered reading about a while ago. 👍🏻
Haha Pete, can you imagine the folks making cave paintings thousands of years ago, being told “no, you can’t grind up that rock or flower, or charred bone to paint, because that’s not how we do it. Meh, charleton.” 🙂↔️. 🤣
I can imagine that and it's hysterical! 😂
@@IllustrationsByPete 🤣😂😆
Peter👏👏👏👍✌️🙏
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed this. 🙂
broken? lol
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Talk more. You don't talk enough. 😅
😂
I am confused by the fact that these are considered inks...
Inks for me must be liquid... not solid. If is solid, then it would be an "ink stick"... but those need to be rubbed against a stone with water to create liquid ink...
I have no idea what they do but somehow they solidify the ink, they make it water soluble, but after you put it on the page it's permanent, but the block or pan are still watersoluble even though it was wet and dried also. It's alien technology, that's all there is to it. 😳
@@IllustrationsByPete 😅😂
Thank you!
Thank you! 🙂