HP Nargeolet said once in an interview: the deep see is the most dangerous, as soon as there is the slightest problem, you're dead, gone before you realise that there had been a problem! With todays safety thinking, we wouldn't fly, use electricity, drive cars etc. etc. Nikola Tesla says hallo!
Agreed. Safety is never pure waste. I think what he was talking about is the safety ideas that don't actually add safety. Like the rail road crossings that sit there and stay closed for half a minute after the train passes. How could anyone possibly hit the train after it has passed and is moving away at speed? He's probably talking about safety policies that are outside the realm of adding actual safety. He should have said "at some point, safety ideas don't actually add any additional safety." But I really have no idea anyway. I wasn't there.
“There are a lot of engineering rules that didn’t make a lot of sense to me.” Last words of a man who took 4 lives including his own. Ego is a dangerous beast
Calm down. What happened is still a tragedy. I'm also fascinated how no one wants to mention the diversity hires that worked on this sub. From what I remember the CEO himself got rid of Who Aight Male employees that had experience in the field because he didn't want his crew to be "a bunch of old Who Aight Men".
@@fyfyi6053that just makes me wonder whether experience and qualifications were secondary to hitting the diversity boxes. Be seemed to want yes men, firing those who raised concerns. That's a dangerous man
Just like all the working class deaths from rock falls in mines to miners and factory fires to weavers and spinners. And the list goes on. unsafe working conditions are always avoidable but the rich just want to get richer. Glad there are 5 less rich people alive to continue making the world unsafe.
Rich people arent very good at being told no. Usually its some wagie that dies or is permnantly injured to make some billionaire richer...glad it went the other way for once.
He surrounded himself with yes men. Even the reporter was nodding his head in agreement during the interview. He fired the person that said it’s not safe. He refused to have it certified because he knew they were going to say no.
This CBS might as well be complicit with their vid from six months ago promoting them but good luck convincing tribe journalists they did something wrong LOL
Chills & disgust! Considering some of the cheap materials that were used to go on a fatal sightseeing deep dive. SR was a gambler of sorts, & worse off he had people pay big bucks for his BS of how safe Titan still was.....SMH 😢🤬
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
The biggest problem I have with Rush is his mocking of the potential passengers who questioned the safety and his lack of testing over time. That shows his true character. The sub had sensors on the walls to let them know if the outside pressure became too much. I have to wonder how long it was between the first pressure alarm and implosion. Hopefully not long because that had to be terrifying especially for the 19 year old that did not want to be there.
That's a good question, one that not many people have asked. Here's what Stockton Rush told me: "The warning is about 1,500 meters. It’s a huge amount of pressure from the point where we’d say, “Oh, the hull’s not happy” to when it implodes. And so you got a lotta time to drop your weights, to go back to the surface, and then say, “Okay, let’s find out what’s wrong.”"
Exactly. I can’t believe the customers allowed him to mock them. Won’t even allow any constructive criticism and or pushback. Glad karma got him. Now he can’t get others killed.
As David Cameron has stated, just the fact that the hull needed to be monitored showed it was not sea worthy as that proved it had the potential to fail. He said hull integrity is the last thing you should be worried about in a properly engineered submersible.
Stockton Rush is the kind of person all Americans adore: enterprising, enthusiastic, optimistic, good speaker, self-confident and innovative. The problem is that all these virtues coexisted with a serious defect: an unhealthy confidence in his own ignorance to the point of rejecting any honest warning from his peers.
He seems like a mad scientist and car salesman all rolled into one, but the crazy part is he was using rich people and flying around in experimental planes as well to convince them to sign up for the Titan expedition... in the clip a voyage to RMS Titanic length 10 min here on UA-cam... he said that he used up gas worth a million to get to location alone, before even starting the expedition.
This is extremely frustrating. When Rush said “people who think outside of the box are called crazy” I do actually agree with him. But there’s a difference between innovating and ignoring the science. He ignored the science and thought he knew better. That’s where a man’s ego becomes dangerous. There’s no other word for him, he’s a criminal
Although ego wasn't really a part of it, the uglier side of "out of the box thinking" (and also medical quackery) reminds me of Rich Man Eben Byers' death of Radiation-induced cancers (and also, he had holes in his skull from the radiation removing and replacing the Calcium in his bones.) Eben was born in 1880. He lived near Pittsburgh, fell out of his train bunk and hurt his arm at the age of 46 or 47, then his Doctor advised him to take *"Radithor."* Well, he liked it, believing it to benefit him. After about 1400 doses (when it stopped "pepping him up," so to speak,) he stopped taking it in 1930. He then ended up having his jaw fall off, and only some front teeth in the upper jaw remained. He died in 1932 at the age of 51.
The dude compared going out of bed to diving 3km in the ocean for fck sake!!. No light no air and water pressure so big that it will crush a human and even military submarines and he said safety wasn't important 🤦
Yeah but his analogy doesnt make sense because captain Smith on the Titanic didn't do anything wrong going full speed against the ice field.. that was the standard practice at those times and he had that done numerious times with previous ships also without any accidents.. I mean, people praise the captain of Carpathia for saving the people from Titanic that were on the lifeboats but he also sailed his ship at full speed against the ice fields - but thankfully for him, his ship didn't hit an iceberg so because of that he is held as a hero.. Smith wasn't so lucky so now people like Cameron blame him for the disaster even though again, he didn't do anything what other captains did at that time and in situations in which he was
@@wes8723 I understand your perspective, but allow me to provide some additional context to address your points. While it is true that the practice of sailing at full speed against ice fields was not uncommon during that era, it is important to note that the actions of Captain Smith on the Titanic have been subject to scrutiny due to the tragic outcome of the voyage. While previous ships may have engaged in similar practices without incident, it is crucial to acknowledge that each situation at sea presents its own unique set of circumstances. The fact that previous ships had successfully navigated through ice fields does not absolve Captain Smith from the responsibility of exercising due caution and adhering to established maritime protocols. Furthermore, the heroism attributed to the captain of the Carpathia is primarily based on the successful rescue of Titanic's survivors, rather than the manner in which his ship approached the ice fields. The absence of an accident does not automatically confer hero status; it is the ability to effectively respond to a crisis and save lives that distinguishes exceptional leadership. The analogy presented by James Cameron regarding the actions of Captain Smith on the Titanic serves to emphasize the importance of accountability and the examination of failures when they occur. It is indeed true that people tend to overlook or dismiss instances where things go smoothly, as they do not carry the same weight as incidents with adverse outcomes. However, when incidents result in tragedy, it becomes imperative to analyze the details and hold individuals accountable. The severity of the consequences in situations where something goes wrong cannot be understated. In the case of the Titanic, the wrong decisions made and the lack of adequate measures resulted in the loss of numerous lives. Thus, it is essential to prioritize the identification of shortcomings and the implementation of corrective measures to prevent future disasters. To make a comprehensive analysis of James Cameron's analogy, it is necessary to consider the logical premise underlying it. Logic dictates that when dealing with matters of life and death, any occurrence that leads to death or harm carries significantly more weight than those that do not. Consequently, the focus on accountability and criticism is warranted when examining instances where preventable failures have resulted in tragic consequences. In relation to the submersible Titan and its numerous successful explorations (12) of the Titanic, I understand that these instances without incident may seem to support your argument. However, it is crucial to distinguish between routine operations and exceptional circumstances that demand heightened scrutiny. In conclusion, it is important to approach discussions surrounding historical events and accidents with the goal of learning from past mistakes and preventing future tragedies. By acknowledging the importance of accountability and the necessity to analyze failures, we can strive for continuous improvement and the prioritization of safety and well-being in similar contexts.
@@dawidmalan8727 Simple translation: Captain Smith messed up on the Titanic and Stockton Rush messed up with the Titan. Learn from mistakes, be accountable, prioritize safety. Avoid tragedies.
I’m just glad a lack of care for safety finally ate the rich. How many times are working class people like miners, weavers, Amazon factory workers killed or maimed in the work places neglected by the very class of people who imploded?
The sub was not avoidable, allowing them to function as a business should not be allowed..the sub was going to implode regardless... If the company acted on its own testing and using the sub..the news would of been less interesting..
Titan submersible was in our university (Marine Institute, Memorial University of Newfoundland) for maintenance at 03/24/2023. I saw it in person, checked its parts, took some pictures and asked questions to the staff. The thing is nobody forsee such disaster. I'm a second year Naval Architecture student, I took courses including materials processing and ship hull geometry. All my professors seem confident about what they do all the time and non of them showed any sign of disagreement about Titan's structure or materials it made of. Are we really getting a good education at this university? I don't wanna be a future designer of such coffins!
Yeah, definitely. A lot of people are far too conclusive just because of hear say. The sub made several trips and had no issues. A lot of people like to cast blame, without verification. No one really knows what happened to the sub. It's still possible that it didn't implode at all.
@@rrace002 "The sub made several trips and had no issues" - yep. And with every trip, it was getting weaker. It was simply a matter of time before it failed catastrophically. You only have to look at Stockton Rush's public pronouncements to know that he was cavalier with not just his own safety, but that of his paying customers. Not sure where you're getting "It's still possible that it didn't implode at all" - how else did it break into all those pieces under that amount of external pressure? There was nothing inside it that could have caused an internal explosion that would have weakened the pressure vessel enough to allow the pressure to crush it.
@@dunebasher1971 Where are the pictures or any proof of the pieces that were claimed to be sitting on the bottom of the ocean? Mysteriously, no pictures of that anywhere…..
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
I can understand taking your life into your own hands and rolling the dice with something you built, but not with others. I hope the families and friends affected find a way through the madness.
They signed waivers, they knew the risk... If you're getting in that little underwater death trap you're the one to blame for your death. Condolences to the families of course though, sad situation regardless, but maybe the experience to them was worth the consequences.
The Submarine captain explained exactly what probably happened. The Titanium parts were epoxied to the Carbon fibre body, because of the different expansion coefficients, the epoxy glue probably cracked eventually after so-many dives and pressure cycles. The other possibility was the plexi glass viewing port cracked, it was only rated to a depth of 1300
@@rrace002 I believe it was the window. If you look at what is left of the Titan, the plexiglass window is missing, because it wasn't designed to go to depths that deep.
To be honest I feel bad mostly for the 19 years old kid, he's the only one who didn't really want to be there, or really willing to sacrifice his life for his father's hobby. As tragic as it might be, their deaths would probably serve as a good lesson to what happens when you ignore regulations, opinions of experts around you, or the need for your vessel to be certified. As humans, for the most part, we really understand things only when others lose their lives. Hopefully, this loss will bring more good.
Your own personal risk is your own freedom to explore but when it involves the safety of others, you cannot be so cavalier and inconsiderate of the ones that put their trust in you.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
it's a fake story...never happened. they're probably just trying to bring in more regulations on people and they'll use to make a movie if they think it will continue to distract people.
I remember my grandfather telling me that from the start he knew that titanic will sink, he told me that he informed everyone multiple times but no one listened until the security pulled him out of the cinema!
That’s what you say when you’re trying out a new method for a pinewood derby (model)car, not a submarine with passengers going 4000m down going to the bottom of the ocean in a homemade death trap.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses.
The crazy thing is Rush ignored warning signs that hull failure was imminent. I saw an interview of an engineer that claims he was on the Titan during an early dive and heard noises indicative of hull failure. Carbon Fiber is woven in layers and the hull of the Titan was 5” thick I believe.even though it made several successful dives, the constant exposure to the extreme pressure at the depths they dove and the pressure fluctuations could have caused tiny fissures or even delamination of the carbon fiber which eventually led to catastrophic . This was a largely untested design and they did little or no post or pre dive safety inspections
Carbon fiber is a stupid material to use in this fashion imo It’s strong and lightweight but as you said, it’s woven, and starts life as a cloth, I don’t care how strong it is at these depths and under this pressure it’s going to fail
That was in 2019 and the tube was removed cut into pieces and subject to testing. A new tube was manufactured. I do not know if the engineering for the new tube was changed.
Why this sudden boost to godlike status for a Hollywood director? You like what he said? Big deal. Remember he's a Hollywood director, probably prepping the world for his next movie.
I think Stockton Rush had the confidence, charm and presentation skills to convince other people of anything and he himself genuinely believed the Titan was safe.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses.
Rush was arrogant and irresponsible. The facts concerning his substandard views and actions relating to quality controls and safety are well known. The results now provide proof of just how derelict Rush was.
Not to mention his lies about involvement of parties like NASA and Boeing in the design and build process. Lesson learned: always do your own due diligence instead of trusting someone’s word blindly.
@@tahoe-hx5sq I don't think so, you can not get a pilot license with mental illness, they will check it, you know? I think he really hubris of his "safety standard" from aviation protocol, which is not suitable in marine design...
Three things. Stockton Rush is evidence that a person's ego can be their downfall. Secondly, go with your instincts! Many people are sales people, trying to convince you to invest or buy something and can come across as patronising, don't listen! Thirdly, despite the tragedy of this situation, this goes to show that the dead (i.e. those who perished on the Titanic) should be respected. Let them rest in peace!
@@thechampionn8149t was absolutely his ego. He had wayyyy too much pride to get the sub certified and have it fail, which he absolutely knew would happen. He had SO many people telling him he was wrong and he’s definitely not the type of guy to admit he was wrong. His pride and ego killed those people, not the sub or pressure of the ocean. If he had 100% confidence in his engineering then he wouldn’t have had any issue in getting it inspected. I don’t believe he was ignorant at all. He had too much experience in building subs to just be ignorant to the fact he has a sub with bad engineering. He was willing to not only risk his life, but the lives of others just to prove a point.
Well said, I felt the exact same way, why would you pay to see tragedy, it's like the titanic was telling Rush your so interested about the titanic and want to see it, why don't you join us in death, and that's just what happened.
"If we lose the lights and the rudder and everything else, you're still safe!" he says. In a container, at the bottom of the ocean with no lights or even a beacon. This man was DELUDED
@@Cwgrlup It's not an adjective. It's a noun. Not that I care what it is, but if you are going to harangue some random commenter for their choice of words, you should at least be accurate.
@@Cwgrlup Maybe you should learn the difference between an adjective and a noun, before you can lecture others about the English language. I suggest elementary school. That's where you learn what adjectives and nouns are.
I'm sure Tesla thought that way, the first people who tried to fly, or those building combustion engines for us to drive and hundreds of "dangerous" innovations during the last ~150years.
@@coveredee sorry but one does not need to invent something new to be innovativ. All those who started flying with birdlike wings on their arms, where the forthinkers for those who came after. Or the inventors of the different kind of motors on which others could build upon. Or that german ingenieur who developed the first "computer" on which all other inventors build on. Or Tesla with his experiments with electricity. He surely could have killed himself many times over. I mean how many small privately owned submarines do you know about? The few which could really go down at more than -3000m were all government/navy owned, they having unlimited resources. I think this man Rush build his sub first of all to still his own hunger of curiosity. Then finding out that there are more people around who were like him. You can look up a mexican guy, Alan Estrada, who went to the Titanic in 2022 on the Titan and who took videos, which you can find here. Rush was a genius with his flaws and its easy for all those coming forward now, as he is dead, to denounce him. But I think that he gave impulses and ideas, which somebody in the future will take up and will probably make it more successfull. Those people who went with him every time did it on their own free will and I'm sure, they knew of the dangers. P. H. Nargeolet went with him 3 times, and I don't reckon him being mentally deficient, having dived to the Titanic 35 times, mostly on the Nautile of which he was the captain.
“The ocean is the universe. That’s where life is.” That is an eerie last quote from a guy who now lives down in the ocean. I just feel sad for the innocent once’s who were duped into thinking they were in safe hands
they were adult men, had 8 days prior to inspect the sub extensively, listen also to Mr. Nargeolet, who was a distinguished deep see explorer, having been down to the Titanic 35 times, once on the Titan. Why should they question anything? They knew also any descent to -4000m is more than dangerous! I cannot blame Mr. Rush as so many do here. Everybody was responsible for their own fate!
Mr. Nargeolet once said in an interview, there needs to be only a nano problem, then you're gone without realising that there had been a problem. (he also said that death was his constant companion and that with 50+y of deep see diving experience).
Everyone on board knew what they were getting themselves into...the FIRST page on the contract mentions death THREE times The 19 yo didn't even want to go he was scared of it but did it bc of his dad in order to spend time during fathers day Every one of them payed 250.000$ knowing how cheap everything was So what did you really expect from the internet?
The whole world is talking about it and how tragic it is. I think they're getting plenty of respect. They made the choice themselves to go on a dangerous trip and died from it. Stuff like that happens all the time, but most of the time nobody hears about it or cares about it, because it's not rich and famous people.
"...The risk of dying gives meaning to living -- I think Stockton Rush was among them." But Rush's adventurousness led to the death of four others! That is extremely different than dying while trying to climb Everest on your own. OceanGate's hubris was not that they dived to the Titanic, but they led others to dive (for considerable money), without protecting them. That's a father not caring for his children. And that is irrevocably wrong.
Everest is actually no different. This insane obsession with climbing has ruined the local Sherpa population. Not to mention the absurd amount of both trash and bodies from people climbing.
I get your point. I think that 4 passengers believed that it is same risk as driving a car. Or safer. But there wasnt "if it happen" but "when it will happen".
Always remember that rich kids who have impressive degrees may not have exactly earned said degrees. Also, aerospace is a different beast from submarine engineers. Keep in mind that, in an airplane, the greater pressure is inside the plane but, in a sub, the greater pressure is outside the sub. It matters which direction the forces are acting on where the people are in a craft.
I always hate when people say stuff like that- if you want to be safe then never get out of bed. Or if someone says- ya you could die, but you could die any day getting hit by a bus. Like that’s just supposed to get you to ignore how dangerous a situation is.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
The most concerning was the court documents by an ex employee. Lochridge: "The document claims he became concerned about a “lack of non-destructive testing performed on the hull of the Titan”, and that he “stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths”.
The viewport of the Titan submersible was only built to a certifiable pressure of 1,300 meters (4,265 feet). The CEO refused to upgrade it. The Bathyscaphe Trieste had a 5-inch thick steel hull and reached the Mariana Trench in 1960. It weighed 50 long tons. Most of the Trieste had thinner steel, but it wasn’t pressurized. Metals can corrode when they're next to other metals. Pick only one, such as either steel or titanium, and stick to it. That's already a superior design than the Titan submersible, and the Trieste was made over 70 years ago. When it comes to strength, aluminum alloys have ultimate tensile strengths ranging from 10,000 psi to 75,000 psi. Titanium alloys have ultimate tensile strengths ranging from 25,000 to 220,000 psi. Steel has ultimate tensile strengths ranging from 35,000 to 350,000 psi. There's your winner. Delamination is when layers of carbon fiber begin to unbond due to stress. Steel returns back to its original shape. Damage to carbon fiber remains and accumulates. Carbon fiber is horrible for a sub. James Cameron designed his Deepsea Challenger sub out of syntactic foam and 2.5-inch steel beams. It was tested for its ability to withstand the required 114 megapascals (16,500 pounds per square inch) of pressure in a pressure chamber at Pennsylvania State University.
How do you know the viewport is certified to that depth? He has been down well past that depth many times. Carbon fiber was the problem. All this talk of off the shelf components was overblown. He is correct that the hull is the key, but he made a huge mistake there.
@@henrylee8510luke is right saying.. the sub was certified for max. 2.000.m.did you know that its name of sub isnt.. titan? and stockton had severals subs not just one to disposal for undersea journeys, but material is not suitable for that depth. i know steel and titan are best mat. for subs or capsule.
As a non-engineer, I’d go with a spherical design, made of steel much thicker than required and with viewports certified for well below that depth. I’d still be in operation. One could make it large enough to seat 5 ppl, tho the walls might be ridiculously thick….so be it. I wonder if they heard any cracking just prior to the implosion? We’ll never know.
We witnessed one of the most historical "fail" moments in history. It's absolutely fascinating. Obviously tragic. A rare thought provoking moment. Really wanted to see a rescue. But to learn about the science in such a short time. Is really interesting.
OceanGate's CEO was *delusional.* The thing I don't understand is *why nobody warned* his customers earlier... You don't want to go to deep ocean in a cylinder with a video game controller!
All of this is fine when he’s only risking his own life. To be so cavalier about the lives of others is inexcusable and disgusting. He got what he deserved, but I’m sorry that he took four others (especially the 19 year old) with him to his inevitable watery grave.
it's a fake story and they didnt do a good job selling it as real. In an interview with daughter and she is smiling and smirking, in another shot they showed an underwater field of debris but caught the frame of the viewing window showing they had set boxes in a big water holdint tanke with a window and filmed from outside the window, they keep mentioning "international certification" to get you comfortable with the idea that you need the one-world govt to tell you where you can go in this world and what happens if you don't listen...but, the one-world govt actully kills tons of people so they are the last people you want telling you what to do. anyways, it's a fake story, no sub was submersed, nobody died, there is not a debris fields, they are using a holding tank in a building to film underwater scenes.
@@vade137 Actually Putin had this sub destroyed. Stockton was a Russian double agent who was returning to Moscow with a cover story that he captured 4 American POW's. The plan was that once Stockton was safely back in Russia the 4 Americans would escape in the sub and rendezvous with an American aircraft carrier and safely return to the US. When the sub never show up to the rendezvous point a search began. The sub was confirmed destroyed after intercepting a Russian intelligence message indicating they destroyed a sub filled with American spy's.
I think what happened is the doomed passengers trusted the Owner and CEO too much, which was misplaced. They probably thought if the CEO was willing to risk his own life by going with them, along with the previous successful trips the sub had had, they likely thought it was 'Safe' which was an easily but fatal mistake to make - along with that expensive price tag. A billionaire and the second richest man in Pakistan on board, yet all their millions and billions could not save their life.
Agree. I wouldn't go there, but that's because I have no guts to ride a rollercoaster. I can understand why some people just jump in as if it was safe.
yep! I even hesitate on a specific coaster ride in the Adventuredome in Vegas and that other one in the New York New York Hotel.....I admit, also afraid of heights.
"For them, the danger is the point." I've heard Pogue say this repeatedly this week, and it's a ridiculous, simplistic lie. I've never heard a climber, diver or explorer list danger as their goal. It's a side-effect of doing something rare, or achieving something new. There's a huge difference between making calculated risks to accomplish something special... and simply being a daredevil for the thrill of tempting fate.
It might not be the goal but be for real. The reason people get adrenaline rushes from these activities is because they’re naturally dangerous and could be life-threatening. Rather you believe it or not, you're seeking out danger when you engage in such activities.
@@bretagnejean2410 and the captain of the Nautile was for many years Paul-Henri Nargeolet! A renowned explorer concerning deep see diving. That he went on the Titan as its pilot, on which he had been once before, speaks for itself. He dived to the Titanic 35 times, in more than 50y of experience!
I believe Stockton’s comments about safety are criminal at the least. I also believe the reason he did not seek certification is he knew it would fail and if it did no one would ever get on the submersible. What is the saying? It is better to ask for forgiveness than for approval. So, he apparently choose to take a chance with the lives if his passengers.
I have the same opinion. I came from novel rigs and ships designs. The process of certification is long and rigorous. The analyses are relentless. So are the risk assessments. This kind of novel submersible wouldn’t pass any class certification. I also believe Rush was financially desperate and that’s why he aggressively chased customers even to Vegas. That desperation was probably also a reason why he got into Titan.
David, I hope you are doing okay now. I'm glad you got to meet Stockton and at least see what it was all about, even if your mission was scrubbed that day. I'm really sorry you lost some friends, but glad you are here to tell the story. I'm not sure the hull failed at all. I agree with James Cameron. It was the use of three different materials (which constrict/expand at different rates, the titanium, the Plexiglas portal, and the carbon fiber all worked against each other. If it had been constructed of all steel or all titanium with a hatch vs. a portal, and also a round vs. tube shape, those 5 souls may have had a chance. RIP.
I feel badly for those left behind that loved these people-they’re the ones that suffer. I’m saddest for the 19 year old because he only went to make his father happy.
@@knowingtruthisbliss2717The mother of the 19 year old has spoken of her loss in an interview. Christine described how both father and son were excited for their expedition. Her son had even applied to the Guinness book of records for the fastest Rubik cube solve for the deepest depth. Apparently it's been done in space many times. Christine and her daughter Alina were both on deck while it was unfolding, along with other families. So about him being scared and only doing as he was told, it's completely false. Rest in peace brave ones
this was a REALLY good reflection over that catastrophic event. As James Cameron said, the same arrogance that led Titanic to that doom night is the same that led Titan to that implosion. Perhaps danger is the point. The risk of dying gives meaning to living. Amazing, let's celebrate life today
The risk of dying absolutely gives meaning to life but it also assigns to it great respect and responsibility. Life is precious. Absolutely keep living to the utmost and with all the reverence it deserves. Great Interview.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
Thank you for doing this piece. I remember seeing David on the original piece and when news came out a few days back that the submersible imploded, it made me think of the story you did. So very sad.
Man, Stockton Rush really messed up big time with his dive into the Titanic wreck. Ignoring all the warnings, his arrogance caused a total disaster. It's a harsh reminder that when you think you know it all, things can go horribly wrong.
This is a case to be studied not for the technical causes that occurred but rather the implications from a social perspective. This project was not the result of erroneous individual choices but of collective choices executed against all technical logic, leading to the creation of a situation of apparent reliability based on steps: Stockton convinced many technicians to follow him, which convinced many affluent but clueless people to trust the project, eventually creating a solid foundation of a product conventionally accepted as safe.
This is why we have consumer protections and regulations. If Rush himself, and other Engineers want to take personal risks and innovate thats fine. This happens in many different fields and is often times successful. The problem is when you sell to the general public and risk peoples lives. The 19 year old that went with his Dad shouldn't have to be an expert in Submersibles to know not to go on the trip. Oceangate slipped through the cracks probably because of the location of the wreck. (im not expert on this topic myself) But I image now, some kind of international laws are going to be made to avoid this happening again.
More or less the same like the Covid vaccine. Most people got vaccinated not only for medical reasons but more of a social pressure on individual choices. So you are correct
Please don’t romanticize this guy, CBS. He was clearly a narcissist that mislead laymen adventurers into trusting him, leading them straight to their tragic deaths.
The passengers knew what they were getting into. They had to sign a release stating they were aware the sub had not been approved by any regulatory agency and death could result from the expedition.
9:19 Yes, but don't lie to others about security protocols, much less expose them to unnecessary risks for your own ambition. Stockton Rush and his entire team is a clear example of human stupidity. You are lucky to be alive. My condolences to the families of the deceased.
The ocean isn't just where life is. It's also where Rush and his four passengers of the Titan will be forever entombed along with the passengers of the Titanic.
Good riddance! I don’t give a crap about anyone who has hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on their rescue. It’s time we have equality in this world, and they were treated way better by our own government then anyone of us have ever been treated by our governments. The US government has never once tried to save me. So again GOOD RIDDANCE.
"There were a lot of rules out there that didnt make engineering sense to me" Mr. Rush's words are beyong chilling, I am surprised he lived as long as he did😨
I agree, if he wanted to take the risk with his life, please be my guest. But when you take the responsibility of someone else's life literally in your hands, you damn well better have something more iron clad than a damn signed waiver. He was arrogant and used the oldest line in the book" of course everything is safe, I wouldn't go down there if it wasn't safe." now look what happened!
It’s so sad because if I was the 19 year old and was scared or didn’t want to go down, most parents would think you were being a brat and are being ungrateful for the opportunities you have.
@@ihatespam2807 anyway his mother has confirmed that he had wanted to go to break a record with his Rubik cube. He went happily, exited and laughing with his father, who had taken a small camera to film it all. The young man had even applied for this record at the Guinness book of records! The mother had been, together with her daughter, on the mother ship! She understood as soon as there were no more pings coming!
@@newhorizon4066 sure in todays world Drama is so much more to the taste, that this "poor boy" was dragged down by this criminal of a father! And a "drugged" mother! Fyi, the mother is german and she gave an interview together with her daughter in german, and let me tell you, they both confirmed, that he wanted so much to go, to break that Rubik cube record. They had been on the big ship to see them off, and father and son left exited for this adventure! The mother said, if there had been the slightest fear in her son, both her husband and she would never ever have forced him! You can believe what you want!
2:45 "Stockton Rush had the credentials: He majored in Aerospace engineering at Princeton" As a lay consumer, I wouldn't believe his word over literally everybody else in the community, even if he had a PhD. I know that we love maverick CEOs who crap on the establishment here in America, but even an extremely smart individual does not know more than everybody else in the community over all of human history. There's a reason why we respect the Einsteins of the world. Yes, they were geniuses, but they published their results within the system and convinced the establishment to change their ways. People like Rush choose not to do the hard work of getting the community to trust their novel design. That's the lesson behind this disaster. If literally everybody else within a given community thinks something is a bad idea, it's a bad idea unless definitively proven otherwise.
I served in the United States Navy as an Auxiliary Mechanic between 2010-2014. I qualified in Submarine Warfare and am quite literally an expert on this case. The following is my take on this catastrophe which I stand by and would testify to in a court of law. I will omit and/or censor information that is likely classified and could reveal places, depths, and locations and do a lot of bad in the wrong hands. First, The USS San Francisco hit an underwater mountain in 2005 and only one person was killed in the crash. With a crushed forward compartment the ship still surfaced and saved everyone on board (except MMA2(SS) Ashley RIP) Secondly, Every system that involved operation outside the ship had a haul valve and two backups. And the last chance backup was using *,000 PSI hydraulics. Even our backups had backups so we make it home safe. Thirdly, Our United States Ship hull was made of **-*0 steel and would not make it to 13,000 feet. It wouldn't even make it to 1/(omitted) of that before being crushed due to the pressure put on the hull. Fourth, in the movie Titanic they don't even send people down in their underwater explorer to see the Titanic. The movie creators, actors, directors, and producers themselves took more care of human lives than the Titan CEO did. Fifth, the Titan didn't have an Emergency Air Blow system which is the reason the *****fe system was instituted after the USS Thresher got water in their emergency air system, failed to surface when actuated, and crushed under the pressure of the depths of the ocean. Sixth, I am not sure of the CEO's net worth but I have been told billions. I do not know how much it would cost to buy a decommissioned sub and employ a crew but from the sound of it this guy could afford it. Why was he cutting costs? In my personal, and professional opinion the Titan CEO committed gross negligence. He was warned by multiple parties and ignored it. It is my personal, and professional opinion that every member of the jury would have done a better job with this venture. Thank you for your time, Former MMA2(SS) Stephen C. Goldsmith USS Ohio SSGN726 (Jan. 2010-Nov. 2010) USS Alabama SSBN731 (Nov. 2010-Jun2014)
I was disappointed this segment didn’t go harder into how this could’ve been avoided, specifically previous instances where something went wrong on the Titan other than on Pogue’s own journey, what exactly the deep sea exploration community said/expressed about the Titan over the years, and bringing in governmental figures on how the search and rescue (now recovery) operation went. It seemed like they presented this tragedy as an inventor unfortunately killed by his own “innovation” rather than a hubristic and careless individual flying too close to the sun for vain glory.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses
I don’t understand why you all are hating so bad on this guy. He was an “innovator” and there will probably be additional submarine designs in the future based off of his that will take tourists to underwater destinations. If now one ever tested engineering limits in the past our would would be a different place.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses.
Last few days when driving I was trying to find a straight road that I could see 2.5 miles down to see how far the distance is by eye. Well I just passed a few cops that had someone pulled over, I hit the trip reset and drove to the next traffic light that was up hill and soon as I got to the light my trip hit 2.5 miles and I looked back to see how far away the police lights were (it’s dark out) and man it’s hard to believe how far that really is. It’s really amazing that anyone was able to go down there at all and find them. People laughed when they heard how Titan was lost trying to find titanic but when you visually see how far 2.5 miles is it really changes ur perspective, I think without visually seeing 2.5 miles and not knowing the ocean floor has mountains and all kinds of stuff people have the concept of looking at the ocean like a pool. I also gotta say after seeing 2.5 miles I would never consider going down that far and if the men were still alive, the sub didn’t explode it would have been next to impossible to raise them up if needed.
Carbon fibre has _tensile_ strength, but the forces from water pressure acting on the Titan were _compressive._ It is likely that the binder alone gave the hull its compressive strength with fibre holding it together to prevent cracking. The junction of the carbon fibre, titanium and the glue that bonded them was a weak point with different rates of expansion and contraction. Glue that is elastic at room temperature is likely brittle at near freezing temperatures. These materials were bound to detach from one another. What is surprising is not that the vessel failed, but that it managed to hold together for as long as it did.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with a cylinder design with hemisphere ends, although in the submersible it was employed in a situation that is the reverse of the gas container concept under which it evolved where gas pressure is exerted outward. Forces acting upon it merely need to be analyzed correctly. That will likely be the shape of future crafts, not spherical designs. Had the hull of this vessel been constructed of a single material, titanium, properly analyzed as to the forces acting upon it, possibly cast as a unit, this craft might have successfully completed this and many other trips to the ocean floor and back.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
could not have said it better, a totally homogenized hull of metal that does not fray and bend so willingly to the oceans pressure, what an assanine way to go, rip
The problem here is that the most important part is what failed ultimately. There was no redundancy for that, especially after studying how implosions happen with submarines. Many times too much intelligence blinds us to the simple flaws. This is why we need our peers to evaluate protocols. I give a huge applause to his engineering but do let other people help you find flaws in your design. If it was just your life, go right ahead. You are in charge of not 1 but 5 passengers. Think about them.
Damn , David,your report and concerns were so prescient in hindsight 😢. So glad you lived another day to tell this cautionary tale of poor design- combined with man's hubris in thinking the vast unknown of the ocean 🌊 is something to take lightly 😢😢
Thank you so much... yeah, I've got some COMPLICATED emotions going on this week. There were only 2 dives between our dive and the fatal one... I feel like a guy who survived Russian roulette..
@@DavidPogue I'm sure the feelings/emotions are complicated and let me say from another person who came into this world 🌍 the same year as you ,glad you're still in it 😉🙏🙏 And no more 'submersibles' for you!😭❤️🙏😉
@@DavidPogueI can imagine your emotions being all over the place, if I met Stockton Rush, I would find it also difficult to see him being vilified seeing as though he lost his life as well, he comes across as someone who has his heart in the right place and as someone who believes what he is saying wholeheartedly, even though that belief is flawed. Its so tragic all round. May they all Rest in peace
David, are you doing all right? You certainly seem ok, but it's a tough thing you went through and I'd just like to point out that there's no shame in talking to someone about it if you need to. Same goes for anyone who recently went on the Titan before the disaster.
So, no recognition of how incredibly lucky David is to be alive and no recognition that CBS should never have promoted this company through its very flattering piece on this venture.
OMG I can't think of ANYTHING ELSE but how lucky I am. There were only 3 dives between our dive and the fatal one!! On the other hand, I'm not sure "flattering piece" is the right term. The original story is the one that focused on the cheap, off-the-shelf components and radical design. I can tell you that OceanGate was VERY unhappy with our story.
"nature cannot be fooled" as Richard Feynman famously said at the 1986 Space Shuttle fatal explosion inquiry. 'O-ring' pressure seals then, carbon fibre/epoxy resin composite hull with this. Deepsea marine engineers warned OceanGate years ago that this was a very possible scenario and one had asked him directly to stop using the material. Rush's response was to threaten legal action! Only simple basic physics is needed to understand that a high quality steel or titanium continuous structure is required to reliably withstand water pressures of 5 to 6,000 PSI.
Taking risk is EXACTLY what thinking outside the box means. Stay inside the box and never grow. As a serial entrepreneur I assure you that staying inside the box is wrong. Do what everyone else does and get what everyone else gets.
@@wacobeer6469 You dont want to be outside the box if the box is meters deep in the ocean. taking risks can be great sure, never means you can abandon reasoning though. engineers dont just throw out unplanned technology thats more efficient with the risk of blowing up anytime randomly.
Are you joking? A culture of safety is when you cancel the dive when THREE things are off? This is deep diving not trekking. We cancel the dive if ANYTHING is slightly wrong, full stop. For cave diving, at 50m not 4000, you need to have three functioning lights. One to use, other two in case it breaks. Divers bring four lights with them, so even if one breaks they still have three and are not forced to resurface. Three lights at all times for 50m. And these kids were cancelling only when they had 3 problems together?? 😂 this journalist needs to accept he was fooled by a con artist CEO like many others before him.
A Mexican UA-camr did a vid. They went down 2.1 km and had a comms failure. They released a ballast but upon restoring comms they acted like nothing happened...it's insane really.
Are you really ignorant? Pogue wasn't "fooled", he was told everything that was going on, and like most that are interested in this kind of stuff, probably had the same mentality "yeah, some risk, but won't happen to me" Same risk and thoughts skydivers or mountain climbers probably have.
Yes. Rush was had a good sales pitch and this reporter obviously bought it hook line and sinker..all his reports are also to cover the fact tht he was conned too.
“At some point, safety just is pure waste”……the moment you hear the captain say that, you give that trip a hard pass
HP Nargeolet said once in an interview: the deep see is the most dangerous, as soon as there is the
slightest problem, you're dead, gone before you realise that there had been a problem!
With todays safety thinking, we wouldn't fly, use electricity, drive cars etc. etc. Nikola Tesla says hallo!
Agreed. Safety is never pure waste. I think what he was talking about is the safety ideas that don't actually add safety. Like the rail road crossings that sit there and stay closed for half a minute after the train passes. How could anyone possibly hit the train after it has passed and is moving away at speed? He's probably talking about safety policies that are outside the realm of adding actual safety. He should have said "at some point, safety ideas don't actually add any additional safety." But I really have no idea anyway. I wasn't there.
That’s the part that got me!!!
“There are a lot of engineering rules that didn’t make a lot of sense to me.”
Last words of a man who took 4 lives including his own. Ego is a dangerous beast
It's either 5 lives, or 4 EXcluding his own
This tragedy reeks of the normalization of deviance in the worst possible way.
Calm down. What happened is still a tragedy.
I'm also fascinated how no one wants to mention the diversity hires that worked on this sub.
From what I remember the CEO himself got rid of Who Aight Male employees that had experience in the field because he didn't want his crew to be "a bunch of old Who Aight Men".
@@fyfyi6053that just makes me wonder whether experience and qualifications were secondary to hitting the diversity boxes. Be seemed to want yes men, firing those who raised concerns. That's a dangerous man
the same situation with the 21 story building collapse in Lagos in 2021 which went down with the owner
negligence!!!!!
Anyone who had done research on maritime accidents would know this accident is *insultingly* avoidable
Just like all the working class deaths from rock falls in mines to miners and factory fires to weavers and spinners. And the list goes on. unsafe working conditions are always avoidable but the rich just want to get richer.
Glad there are 5 less rich people alive to continue making the world unsafe.
honestly anyone that spent 10 mins into looking into this company could tell
People die in unroad worthy vehicles everyday in the USA but they don't get a mention
Rich people arent very good at being told no. Usually its some wagie that dies or is permnantly injured to make some billionaire richer...glad it went the other way for once.
@@stievboyo636this fella was just wanted to make money
"At some point safety is a waste" is a haunting quote!
He surrounded himself with yes men. Even the reporter was nodding his head in agreement during the interview. He fired the person that said it’s not safe. He refused to have it certified because he knew they were going to say no.
This CBS might as well be complicit with their vid from six months ago promoting them but good luck convincing tribe journalists they did something wrong LOL
Chills & disgust! Considering some of the cheap materials that were used to go on a fatal sightseeing deep dive. SR was a gambler of sorts, & worse off he had people pay big bucks for his BS of how safe Titan still was.....SMH 😢🤬
Reminds me of Elizabeth Holmes. She also fired people who were doing their job and were trying to make things better.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
Exactly. The reporter nodded along when he said "Carbon is actually stronger than Titanium." NPCs afraid of speaking up, basically.
The biggest problem I have with Rush is his mocking of the potential passengers who questioned the safety and his lack of testing over time. That shows his true character. The sub had sensors on the walls to let them know if the outside pressure became too much. I have to wonder how long it was between the first pressure alarm and implosion. Hopefully not long because that had to be terrifying especially for the 19 year old that did not want to be there.
Not to mention the OceanGate employee who Stockton fired for raising safety concerns
I think I saw that they were ascending when it imploded. So perhaps the sensors did warn and they were retreating. Sad for the kid more than anything.
That's a good question, one that not many people have asked. Here's what Stockton Rush told me: "The warning is about 1,500 meters. It’s a huge amount of pressure from the point where we’d say, “Oh, the hull’s not happy” to when it implodes. And so you got a lotta time to drop your weights, to go back to the surface, and then say, “Okay, let’s find out what’s wrong.”"
Exactly. I can’t believe the customers allowed him to mock them. Won’t even allow any constructive criticism and or pushback. Glad karma got him. Now he can’t get others killed.
As David Cameron has stated, just the fact that the hull needed to be monitored showed it was not sea worthy as that proved it had the potential to fail. He said hull integrity is the last thing you should be worried about in a properly engineered submersible.
Stockton Rush is the kind of person all Americans adore: enterprising, enthusiastic, optimistic, good speaker, self-confident and innovative. The problem is that all these virtues coexisted with a serious defect: an unhealthy confidence in his own ignorance to the point of rejecting any honest warning from his peers.
Also all the traits of a con man.
probably the best thing anyone has said about this guy
@@Lovelyone1Wouldn’t a conman fill the sub and not ride in it?
He seems like a mad scientist and car salesman all rolled into one, but the crazy part is he was using rich people and flying around in experimental planes as well to convince them to sign up for the Titan expedition... in the clip a voyage to RMS Titanic length 10 min here on UA-cam... he said that he used up gas worth a million to get to location alone, before even starting the expedition.
In shorter terms: america has a narcissism problem
This is extremely frustrating. When Rush said “people who think outside of the box are called crazy” I do actually agree with him. But there’s a difference between innovating and ignoring the science. He ignored the science and thought he knew better. That’s where a man’s ego becomes dangerous. There’s no other word for him, he’s a criminal
Kind of sounds like something another narcissist said....... Elizabeth Holmes.
@@KaYuLa1I was thinking the exact same thing.
Not only is criminally liable also civilly. He is an example of an entitled little twit with an ego the size of king Kong
Although ego wasn't really a part of it, the uglier side of "out of the box thinking" (and also medical quackery) reminds me of Rich Man Eben Byers' death of Radiation-induced cancers (and also, he had holes in his skull from the radiation removing and replacing the Calcium in his bones.)
Eben was born in 1880. He lived near Pittsburgh, fell out of his train bunk and hurt his arm at the age of 46 or 47, then his Doctor advised him to take *"Radithor."* Well, he liked it, believing it to benefit him. After about 1400 doses (when it stopped "pepping him up," so to speak,) he stopped taking it in 1930. He then ended up having his jaw fall off, and only some front teeth in the upper jaw remained. He died in 1932 at the age of 51.
The dude compared going out of bed to diving 3km in the ocean for fck sake!!.
No light no air and water pressure so big that it will crush a human and even military submarines and he said safety wasn't important 🤦
james cameron is a really well-spoken guy. his analogy about the titanic was so true.
He's said that like 5 times on 5 different shows
@@dawidmalan8727That’s what a professional guy does.
Yeah but his analogy doesnt make sense because captain Smith on the Titanic didn't do anything wrong going full speed against the ice field.. that was the standard practice at those times and he had that done numerious times with previous ships also without any accidents.. I mean, people praise the captain of Carpathia for saving the people from Titanic that were on the lifeboats but he also sailed his ship at full speed against the ice fields - but thankfully for him, his ship didn't hit an iceberg so because of that he is held as a hero.. Smith wasn't so lucky so now people like Cameron blame him for the disaster even though again, he didn't do anything what other captains did at that time and in situations in which he was
@@wes8723
I understand your perspective, but allow me to provide some additional context to address your points. While it is true that the practice of sailing at full speed against ice fields was not uncommon during that era, it is important to note that the actions of Captain Smith on the Titanic have been subject to scrutiny due to the tragic outcome of the voyage.
While previous ships may have engaged in similar practices without incident, it is crucial to acknowledge that each situation at sea presents its own unique set of circumstances. The fact that previous ships had successfully navigated through ice fields does not absolve Captain Smith from the responsibility of exercising due caution and adhering to established maritime protocols.
Furthermore, the heroism attributed to the captain of the Carpathia is primarily based on the successful rescue of Titanic's survivors, rather than the manner in which his ship approached the ice fields. The absence of an accident does not automatically confer hero status; it is the ability to effectively respond to a crisis and save lives that distinguishes exceptional leadership.
The analogy presented by James Cameron regarding the actions of Captain Smith on the Titanic serves to emphasize the importance of accountability and the examination of failures when they occur. It is indeed true that people tend to overlook or dismiss instances where things go smoothly, as they do not carry the same weight as incidents with adverse outcomes. However, when incidents result in tragedy, it becomes imperative to analyze the details and hold individuals accountable.
The severity of the consequences in situations where something goes wrong cannot be understated. In the case of the Titanic, the wrong decisions made and the lack of adequate measures resulted in the loss of numerous lives. Thus, it is essential to prioritize the identification of shortcomings and the implementation of corrective measures to prevent future disasters.
To make a comprehensive analysis of James Cameron's analogy, it is necessary to consider the logical premise underlying it. Logic dictates that when dealing with matters of life and death, any occurrence that leads to death or harm carries significantly more weight than those that do not. Consequently, the focus on accountability and criticism is warranted when examining instances where preventable failures have resulted in tragic consequences.
In relation to the submersible Titan and its numerous successful explorations (12) of the Titanic, I understand that these instances without incident may seem to support your argument. However, it is crucial to distinguish between routine operations and exceptional circumstances that demand heightened scrutiny.
In conclusion, it is important to approach discussions surrounding historical events and accidents with the goal of learning from past mistakes and preventing future tragedies. By acknowledging the importance of accountability and the necessity to analyze failures, we can strive for continuous improvement and the prioritization of safety and well-being in similar contexts.
@@dawidmalan8727 Simple translation: Captain Smith messed up on the Titanic and Stockton Rush messed up with the Titan. Learn from mistakes, be accountable, prioritize safety. Avoid tragedies.
He was a good salesman and that’s it. Horrible that what real engineers predicted ended up happening.
imo if he were a mere salesman, he wudn't ve been in d submersible. seems he was reckless, arrogant, naive. he underestimated d power of oceans..
I’m just glad a lack of care for safety finally ate the rich. How many times are working class people like miners, weavers, Amazon factory workers killed or maimed in the work places neglected by the very class of people who imploded?
This was apparently the 4th trip.
@@apackofhoboeshow was it the fourth trip when it's has been to the titanic over 12 times
The word is swindler... not salesman. The country chose a self promoting "rich guy" as president who used the same tactics.
A completely avoidable tragedy
I’m sure you know a lot about submarine technology all of a sudden huh?
Defensive aren’t cha?
@@marciano9882a 10 year old could see the red flags. Don’t be stupid.
@@marciano9882 And what? So do you?
The sub was not avoidable, allowing them to function as a business should not be allowed..the sub was going to implode regardless...
If the company acted on its own testing and using the sub..the news would of been less interesting..
6:42 "A former employee says when he raised safety concerns to Stockton, he was fired." That SAYS IT ALL, folks.
Never EVER trust an organization that goes out of its way to eliminate dissenting voices. Every voice is important, including the so called naysayers.
Titan submersible was in our university (Marine Institute, Memorial University of Newfoundland) for maintenance at 03/24/2023. I saw it in person, checked its parts, took some pictures and asked questions to the staff. The thing is nobody forsee such disaster. I'm a second year Naval Architecture student, I took courses including materials processing and ship hull geometry. All my professors seem confident about what they do all the time and non of them showed any sign of disagreement about Titan's structure or materials it made of. Are we really getting a good education at this university? I don't wanna be a future designer of such coffins!
This comment needs to be pinned at the top of the page!
Yeah, definitely. A lot of people are far too conclusive just because of hear say. The sub made several trips and had no issues.
A lot of people like to cast blame, without verification. No one really knows what happened to the sub. It's still possible that it didn't implode at all.
@@rrace002 "The sub made several trips and had no issues" - yep. And with every trip, it was getting weaker. It was simply a matter of time before it failed catastrophically. You only have to look at Stockton Rush's public pronouncements to know that he was cavalier with not just his own safety, but that of his paying customers. Not sure where you're getting "It's still possible that it didn't implode at all" - how else did it break into all those pieces under that amount of external pressure? There was nothing inside it that could have caused an internal explosion that would have weakened the pressure vessel enough to allow the pressure to crush it.
@@dunebasher1971
Where are the pictures or any proof of the pieces that were claimed to be sitting on the bottom of the ocean? Mysteriously, no pictures of that anywhere…..
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
When it comes to safety, no shortcuts. May they all rest in peace.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
They exploded
I can understand taking your life into your own hands and rolling the dice with something you built, but not with others. I hope the families and friends affected find a way through the madness.
$250000 A PIECE, NOT BAD
They signed waivers, they knew the risk... If you're getting in that little underwater death trap you're the one to blame for your death. Condolences to the families of course though, sad situation regardless, but maybe the experience to them was worth the consequences.
@@coleholden8241 as the idiot ceo swears up and down that it's safe.
Defying the deep is madness!!! The ocean floor is not the place for titanic!!!
@coleholden8241 Some others will come later, thinking they 'd do it better. Just wait and see!!!
The Submarine captain explained exactly what probably happened. The Titanium parts were epoxied to the Carbon fibre body, because of the different expansion coefficients, the epoxy glue probably cracked eventually after so-many dives and pressure cycles. The other possibility was the plexi glass viewing port cracked, it was only rated to a depth of 1300
@reneealexander7899 all of them actually
Is it probable that the window imploded before the carbon fiber hull though? The hull wouldn't have a rating at all because it was never tested....
@@rrace002 I believe it was the window. If you look at what is left of the Titan, the plexiglass window is missing, because it wasn't designed to go to depths that deep.
To be honest I feel bad mostly for the 19 years old kid, he's the only one who didn't really want to be there, or really willing to sacrifice his life for his father's hobby. As tragic as it might be, their deaths would probably serve as a good lesson to what happens when you ignore regulations, opinions of experts around you, or the need for your vessel to be certified. As humans, for the most part, we really understand things only when others lose their lives. Hopefully, this loss will bring more good.
Same about the 19 year old. Very sad
@@marytheresejacksonlutz2533his life was just starting
If I was Suleman, I’d have been checking dad’s will and saying, “have fun, Dad!”
Exactly my sentiments about the 19yrs old. The rest....not soo much...🤷🏽♀️
@@MalEvansUSA
What is wrong with you? He was just a kid wtf
Your own personal risk is your own freedom to explore but when it involves the safety of others, you cannot be so cavalier and inconsiderate of the ones that put their trust in you.
Exactly
Exactly,that's what I was saying.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
Agreed … but they are adults taking their own decisions
it's a fake story...never happened. they're probably just trying to bring in more regulations on people and they'll use to make a movie if they think it will continue to distract people.
"Didn't make engineering sense to me".... yeah Rush, we DEFINITELY got that.
I remember my grandfather telling me that from the start he knew that titanic will sink, he told me that he informed everyone multiple times but no one listened until the security pulled him out of the cinema!
Lolz brilliant 😂
🤣🤣🤣
HahHHhahahhahha
“I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules” - sadly these are words that he and his customers died by
He is stubborn, wreckless, arrogance & irresponsible! With his lies & arrogance some people lives were lost.
That’s what you say when you’re trying out a new method for a pinewood derby (model)car, not a submarine with passengers going 4000m down going to the bottom of the ocean in a homemade death trap.
Literally “famous last words”
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses.
The crazy thing is Rush ignored warning signs that hull failure was imminent. I saw an interview of an engineer that claims he was on the Titan during an early dive and heard noises indicative of hull failure. Carbon Fiber is woven in layers and the hull of the Titan was 5” thick I believe.even though it made several successful dives, the constant exposure to the extreme pressure at the depths they dove and the pressure fluctuations could have caused tiny fissures or even delamination of the carbon fiber which eventually led to catastrophic . This was a largely untested design and they did little or no post or pre dive safety inspections
Carbon fiber is a stupid material to use in this fashion imo
It’s strong and lightweight but as you said, it’s woven, and starts life as a cloth, I don’t care how strong it is at these depths and under this pressure it’s going to fail
That was in 2019 and the tube was removed cut into pieces and subject to testing. A new tube was manufactured. I do not know if the engineering for the new tube was changed.
@@leonardcollings7389 that's fake information. Hull was never tested or renewed
It's called "cyclic fatigue". Responsible engineers use test data to predict material lifespans. Stockton Rush was not a responsible engineer.
@@kshepard52 no he seemed more interested in seeing how much he could profit from it.
Listening to James Cameron doing interviews and he does a good job of explaining the flaws of this Titan disaster
James Cameron really is such a kind and inspirational director and person, in real life.
Why this sudden boost to godlike status for a Hollywood director? You like what he said? Big deal. Remember he's a Hollywood director, probably prepping the world for his next movie.
@jojopuppyfish: Common sense...I don't need James Cameron.
@@waitaminute2015He's a Hollywood director and a scholar.
@@waitaminute2015 cynical and incorrect. he is also an engineer who helped design a successful deep sea sub. you're just sowing bs.
I think Stockton Rush had the confidence, charm and presentation skills to convince other people of anything and he himself genuinely believed the Titan was safe.
It's one thing to risk your own life, it's another to risk the life of others, especially a 19 year old with his whole life ahead of him.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses.
@@Jesus_not_God_he_worship_him alright bible man, so you're saying they had it coming?
No the 19 yr old was forced on the sub that’s the only man I feel bad about
@@xxliaz9068 did his dad goad him into it?
Rush was arrogant and irresponsible. The facts concerning his substandard views and actions relating to quality controls and safety are well known. The results now provide proof of just how derelict Rush was.
Not to mention his lies about involvement of parties like NASA and Boeing in the design and build process. Lesson learned: always do your own due diligence instead of trusting someone’s word blindly.
@@tahoe-hx5sq I don't think so, you can not get a pilot license with mental illness, they will check it, you know? I think he really hubris of his "safety standard" from aviation protocol, which is not suitable in marine design...
@@tahoe-hx5sqExactly.
@@tahoe-hx5sq lol how so wtf.
@@tahoe-hx5sq A sociopath wouldn't have gone down with the sub
Three things. Stockton Rush is evidence that a person's ego can be their downfall. Secondly, go with your instincts! Many people are sales people, trying to convince you to invest or buy something and can come across as patronising, don't listen! Thirdly, despite the tragedy of this situation, this goes to show that the dead (i.e. those who perished on the Titanic) should be respected. Let them rest in peace!
Okej ❤️
Exactly
@@thechampionn8149t was absolutely his ego. He had wayyyy too much pride to get the sub certified and have it fail, which he absolutely knew would happen. He had SO many people telling him he was wrong and he’s definitely not the type of guy to admit he was wrong. His pride and ego killed those people, not the sub or pressure of the ocean. If he had 100% confidence in his engineering then he wouldn’t have had any issue in getting it inspected. I don’t believe he was ignorant at all. He had too much experience in building subs to just be ignorant to the fact he has a sub with bad engineering. He was willing to not only risk his life, but the lives of others just to prove a point.
Well said, I felt the exact same way, why would you pay to see tragedy, it's like the titanic was telling Rush your so interested about the titanic and want to see it, why don't you join us in death, and that's just what happened.
They have the rest of their deaths To be left in silence. I think we’re allowed to mock rush for his lack of awareness.
"If we lose the lights and the rudder and everything else, you're still safe!" he says. In a container, at the bottom of the ocean with no lights or even a beacon. This man was DELUDED
Does this give anyone else chills. How can anyone think it’s safe to go that far under the ocean while joking about his off the shelf cheap parts. 😢
Thanks to Stockton Rush, the price of Logitech's stock -ton- rush downwards because a Logitech games controller was used to control the Titan.
The word chills is grossly overused. Just drop it as an adjective and educate yourself on the English language.
@@Cwgrlup It's not an adjective. It's a noun. Not that I care what it is, but if you are going to harangue some random commenter for their choice of words, you should at least be accurate.
@@Cwgrlup Maybe you should learn the difference between an adjective and a noun, before you can lecture others about the English language. I suggest elementary school. That's where you learn what adjectives and nouns are.
murcans
7:00 “at some point safety is a pure waste “ just wow 😢
I'm sure Tesla thought that way, the first people who tried to fly, or those building combustion engines
for us to drive and hundreds of "dangerous" innovations during the last ~150years.
Right how ironic!
@@coveredee sorry but one does not need to invent something new to be innovativ. All those who started flying with birdlike wings on their arms, where the forthinkers for those who came after. Or the inventors of the different kind of motors on which others could build upon. Or that german ingenieur who developed the first "computer" on which all other inventors build on. Or Tesla with his experiments with electricity. He surely could have killed himself many times over.
I mean how many small privately owned submarines do you know about? The few which could really go down at more than -3000m were all government/navy owned, they having unlimited resources. I think this man Rush build his sub first of all to still his own hunger of curiosity. Then finding out that there are more people around who were like him. You can look up a mexican guy, Alan Estrada, who went to the Titanic in 2022 on the Titan and who took videos, which you can find here.
Rush was a genius with his flaws and its easy for all those coming forward now, as he is dead, to denounce him. But I think that he gave impulses and ideas, which somebody in the future will take up and will probably make it more successfull.
Those people who went with him every time did it on their own free will and I'm sure, they knew of the dangers. P. H. Nargeolet went with him 3 times, and I don't reckon him being mentally deficient, having dived to the Titanic 35 times, mostly on the Nautile of which he was the captain.
This aged like milk and a fine wine at the same time
“The ocean is the universe. That’s where life is.” That is an eerie last quote from a guy who now lives down in the ocean. I just feel sad for the innocent once’s who were duped into thinking they were in safe hands
they were adult men, had 8 days prior to inspect the sub extensively, listen also to Mr. Nargeolet, who was a distinguished deep see explorer, having been down to the Titanic 35 times, once on the Titan. Why should they
question anything? They knew also any descent to -4000m is more than dangerous! I cannot blame Mr. Rush as
so many do here. Everybody was responsible for their own fate!
Mr. Nargeolet once said in an interview, there needs to be only a nano problem, then you're gone
without realising that there had been a problem. (he also said that death was his constant companion
and that with 50+y of deep see diving experience).
Thank you for humanizing these passengers with your documentary. It's disappointing how people have responded to their demise.
what's disappointing is society rejecting white men
we will laugh every time you die from incompetence
Everyone on board knew what they were getting themselves into...the FIRST page on the contract mentions death THREE times
The 19 yo didn't even want to go he was scared of it but did it bc of his dad in order to spend time during fathers day
Every one of them payed 250.000$ knowing how cheap everything was
So what did you really expect from the internet?
The whole world is talking about it and how tragic it is. I think they're getting plenty of respect. They made the choice themselves to go on a dangerous trip and died from it. Stuff like that happens all the time, but most of the time nobody hears about it or cares about it, because it's not rich and famous people.
@@selma9450I feel bad for the son who Just wanted to make his dad happy
The TikTok are out of line
"...The risk of dying gives meaning to living -- I think Stockton Rush was among them." But Rush's adventurousness led to the death of four others! That is extremely different than dying while trying to climb Everest on your own.
OceanGate's hubris was not that they dived to the Titanic, but they led others to dive (for considerable money), without protecting them. That's a father not caring for his children. And that is irrevocably wrong.
Pogue romanticized and seemed to have defended Rush yet again. I liked his reporting but this ...
Well, they each paid a lot to be on that thing. If you want to risk the money and your life, that's your business... same as Everest.
Everest is actually no different. This insane obsession with climbing has ruined the local Sherpa population. Not to mention the absurd amount of both trash and bodies from people climbing.
he went on every trip as a pilot, unless the argument is that he was suicidal or something after 10 trips
I get your point. I think that 4 passengers believed that it is same risk as driving a car. Or safer. But there wasnt "if it happen" but "when it will happen".
Always remember that rich kids who have impressive degrees may not have exactly earned said degrees. Also, aerospace is a different beast from submarine engineers. Keep in mind that, in an airplane, the greater pressure is inside the plane but, in a sub, the greater pressure is outside the sub. It matters which direction the forces are acting on where the people are in a craft.
Just ask Lori Loughlin!
Not to mention there’s ~ 14.7 psi of internal pressure inside an airplane. There is 6,000 psi of external pressure at the depth of Titanic.
This guy wasn't a kid, he was 61.
🤦♂️^^^
@@kylek.3689 He was already rich while being a kid.
I always hate when people say stuff like that- if you want to be safe then never get out of bed. Or if someone says- ya you could die, but you could die any day getting hit by a bus. Like that’s just supposed to get you to ignore how dangerous a situation is.
Gaslighting technique at it's finest.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
The most concerning was the court documents by an ex employee.
Lochridge: "The document claims he became concerned about a “lack of non-destructive testing performed on the hull of the Titan”, and that he “stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths”.
The viewport of the Titan submersible was only built to a certifiable pressure of 1,300 meters (4,265 feet). The CEO refused to upgrade it. The Bathyscaphe Trieste had a 5-inch thick steel hull and reached the Mariana Trench in 1960. It weighed 50 long tons. Most of the Trieste had thinner steel, but it wasn’t pressurized. Metals can corrode when they're next to other metals.
Pick only one, such as either steel or titanium, and stick to it. That's already a superior design than the Titan submersible, and the Trieste was made over 70 years ago. When it comes to strength, aluminum alloys have ultimate tensile strengths ranging from 10,000 psi to 75,000 psi.
Titanium alloys have ultimate tensile strengths ranging from 25,000 to 220,000 psi. Steel has ultimate tensile strengths ranging from 35,000 to 350,000 psi. There's your winner. Delamination is when layers of carbon fiber begin to unbond due to stress. Steel returns back to its original shape. Damage to carbon fiber remains and accumulates.
Carbon fiber is horrible for a sub. James Cameron designed his Deepsea Challenger sub out of syntactic foam and 2.5-inch steel beams. It was tested for its ability to withstand the required 114 megapascals (16,500 pounds per square inch) of pressure in a pressure chamber at Pennsylvania State University.
How do you know the viewport is certified to that depth? He has been down well past that depth many times. Carbon fiber was the problem.
All this talk of off the shelf components was overblown. He is correct that the hull is the key, but he made a huge mistake there.
Luke.. like your statement few folks have this clue.. bravo! well explained and concret.
@@henrylee8510luke is right saying.. the sub was certified for max. 2.000.m.did you know that its name of sub isnt.. titan? and stockton had severals subs not just one to disposal for undersea journeys, but material is not suitable for that depth. i know steel and titan are best mat. for subs or capsule.
Well written this should be pinned
As a non-engineer, I’d go with a spherical design, made of steel much thicker than required and with viewports certified for well below that depth. I’d still be in operation. One could make it large enough to seat 5 ppl, tho the walls might be ridiculously thick….so be it.
I wonder if they heard any cracking just prior to the implosion? We’ll never know.
Exploration is a must. But safety always has to come first.
that is todays world and any innovation will be killed by this overstretched safety thinking!
Nikola Tesla is laughing!
We witnessed one of the most historical "fail" moments in history. It's absolutely fascinating. Obviously tragic. A rare thought provoking moment. Really wanted to see a rescue. But to learn about the science in such a short time. Is really interesting.
I’ve learned so much about submarines!
It's morbidly interesting how all this could have been avoided
OceanGate's CEO was *delusional.*
The thing I don't understand is *why nobody warned* his customers earlier... You don't want to go to deep ocean in a cylinder with a video game controller!
U Got That Right.
Sometimes it’s best to leave things alone! 😢
All of this is fine when he’s only risking his own life. To be so cavalier about the lives of others is inexcusable and disgusting. He got what he deserved, but I’m sorry that he took four others (especially the 19 year old) with him to his inevitable watery grave.
Not surprised he went to an ivy league school (Princeton) probably always had a huge ego
Others had the right to say
“No thx”
I like your take on things..
@@manager4409Ivy league schools don't guarantee smart students. I'll bet there are smarter people in Community college..
And they became fish food in an instant.
Nice of Stockton to name his company after the controversy he created. This is absolutely inexcusable; negligence of the highest order.
it's a fake story and they didnt do a good job selling it as real. In an interview with daughter and she is smiling and smirking, in another shot they showed an underwater field of debris but caught the frame of the viewing window showing they had set boxes in a big water holdint tanke with a window and filmed from outside the window, they keep mentioning "international certification" to get you comfortable with the idea that you need the one-world govt to tell you where you can go in this world and what happens if you don't listen...but, the one-world govt actully kills tons of people so they are the last people you want telling you what to do. anyways, it's a fake story, no sub was submersed, nobody died, there is not a debris fields, they are using a holding tank in a building to film underwater scenes.
@@vade137 Actually Putin had this sub destroyed. Stockton was a Russian double agent who was returning to Moscow with a cover story that he captured 4 American POW's. The plan was that once Stockton was safely back in Russia the 4 Americans would escape in the sub and rendezvous with an American aircraft carrier and safely return to the US. When the sub never show up to the rendezvous point a search began. The sub was confirmed destroyed after intercepting a Russian intelligence message indicating they destroyed a sub filled with American spy's.
@@vade137 lol
Thats unbelievable. A submersible goes that deep without any safety certificate.
I can't with this I can't believe people still went on it
I think what happened is the doomed passengers trusted the Owner and CEO too much, which was misplaced. They probably thought if the CEO was willing to risk his own life by going with them, along with the previous successful trips the sub had had, they likely thought it was 'Safe' which was an easily but fatal mistake to make - along with that expensive price tag. A billionaire and the second richest man in Pakistan on board, yet all their millions and billions could not save their life.
Agree. I wouldn't go there, but that's because I have no guts to ride a rollercoaster.
I can understand why some people just jump in as if it was safe.
So true
Spot on!
totally! I was also thinking that!
yep! I even hesitate on a specific coaster ride in the Adventuredome in Vegas and that other one in the New York New York Hotel.....I admit, also afraid of heights.
got to be one of the most legendary interview of all time...
thank you David...
This was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the lost sub. I’m so glad David made it out alive. Prayers for the 5 lost souls.
"The ocean is the universe, that's where life is" famous last words.
"For them, the danger is the point." I've heard Pogue say this repeatedly this week, and it's a ridiculous, simplistic lie. I've never heard a climber, diver or explorer list danger as their goal. It's a side-effect of doing something rare, or achieving something new. There's a huge difference between making calculated risks to accomplish something special... and simply being a daredevil for the thrill of tempting fate.
Exactly
Agreed. A friend of mine does dangerous stunts but he doesn't enjoy pain or tempting fate. A common misunderstanding.
You are right. The point was to explore the titanic not hope they don’t die. That is mental.
He's a journalist.
It might not be the goal but be for real. The reason people get adrenaline rushes from these activities is because they’re naturally dangerous and could be life-threatening. Rather you believe it or not, you're seeking out danger when you engage in such activities.
Not gonna lie.. I'm impressed that this ship made the trip a single time.. Best I can tell it had been down around 20 times. Each trip, a miracle.
When u know the "nautile" have 2000 dives and no accident since 1985. 😅
Issues are what say the old man in the video.
@@bretagnejean2410 and the captain of the Nautile was for many years Paul-Henri Nargeolet!
A renowned explorer concerning deep see diving. That he went on the Titan as its pilot, on which
he had been once before, speaks for itself. He dived to the Titanic 35 times, in more than 50y of
experience!
@@juttaweise All the more that tells me "PH" playing the "window-dressing" bait to lure in more investors. Just wondering how much Rush paid him...
I believe Stockton’s comments about safety are criminal at the least. I also believe the reason he did not seek certification is he knew it would fail and if it did no one would ever get on the submersible. What is the saying? It is better to ask for forgiveness than for approval. So, he apparently choose to take a chance with the lives if his passengers.
I have the same opinion. I came from novel rigs and ships designs. The process of certification is long and rigorous. The analyses are relentless. So are the risk assessments. This kind of novel submersible wouldn’t pass any class certification. I also believe Rush was financially desperate and that’s why he aggressively chased customers even to Vegas. That desperation was probably also a reason why he got into Titan.
@@mdmgreenyup. He had to call his own bluff by being a passenger.
@@lennybrewster4673he was the captain
@@dins5066 and the pilot no other than Paul Henri Nageolet!
David, I hope you are doing okay now. I'm glad you got to meet Stockton and at least see what it was all about, even if your mission was scrubbed that day. I'm really sorry you lost some friends, but glad you are here to tell the story. I'm not sure the hull failed at all. I agree with James Cameron. It was the use of three different materials (which constrict/expand at different rates, the titanium, the Plexiglas portal, and the carbon fiber all worked against each other. If it had been constructed of all steel or all titanium with a hatch vs. a portal, and also a round vs. tube shape, those 5 souls may have had a chance. RIP.
I feel badly for those left behind that loved these people-they’re the ones that suffer. I’m saddest for the 19 year old because he only went to make his father happy.
When the implosion must have started on the ship, I wonder if his father regretted his decision in that second.
@@knowingtruthisbliss2717The mother of the 19 year old has spoken of her loss in an interview. Christine described how both father and son were excited for their expedition.
Her son had even applied to the Guinness book of records for the fastest Rubik cube solve for the deepest depth. Apparently it's been done in space many times. Christine and her daughter Alina were both on deck while it was unfolding, along with other families.
So about him being scared and only doing as he was told, it's completely false.
Rest in peace brave ones
From titanic to titan history repeats itself 😮 hundred years later
this was a REALLY good reflection over that catastrophic event. As James Cameron said, the same arrogance that led Titanic to that doom night is the same that led Titan to that implosion. Perhaps danger is the point. The risk of dying gives meaning to living. Amazing, let's celebrate life today
So much for the culture of safety, checklists, inspections and 3 strike rule.
The risk of dying absolutely gives meaning to life but it also assigns to it great respect and responsibility. Life is precious. Absolutely keep living to the utmost and with all the reverence it deserves. Great Interview.
As far as I am concerned, shouldn't the global pandemic have taught humanity that the meaning of life is to not take survival for granted?
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
At some point, safety goes out the window . So did 5 lifes .
Well, less thrown out the window, mire squished by the ocean
Thank you for doing this piece. I remember seeing David on the original piece and when news came out a few days back that the submersible imploded, it made me think of the story you did. So very sad.
So tragic but informative 😢
Man, Stockton Rush really messed up big time with his dive into the Titanic wreck. Ignoring all the warnings, his arrogance caused a total disaster. It's a harsh reminder that when you think you know it all, things can go horribly wrong.
"Safety is a pure waste".... he actually said that!!!
I would never pay $250,00 when it says you might die in the contract
Rush: ...the ocean, that's where life is."
Me: ...." yeah and death"
This is a case to be studied not for the technical causes that occurred but rather the implications from a social perspective. This project was not the result of erroneous individual choices but of collective choices executed against all technical logic, leading to the creation of a situation of apparent reliability based on steps: Stockton convinced many technicians to follow him, which convinced many affluent but clueless people to trust the project, eventually creating a solid foundation of a product conventionally accepted as safe.
Something like a cult where everyone or almost everyone dies in the end!
Very astute observation- similarly, I believe it's more a psychological circumstance than actually a scientific
The way you phrased that made an image of Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos scam infamy flash into my mind.
This is why we have consumer protections and regulations. If Rush himself, and other Engineers want to take personal risks and innovate thats fine. This happens in many different fields and is often times successful. The problem is when you sell to the general public and risk peoples lives. The 19 year old that went with his Dad shouldn't have to be an expert in Submersibles to know not to go on the trip. Oceangate slipped through the cracks probably because of the location of the wreck. (im not expert on this topic myself) But I image now, some kind of international laws are going to be made to avoid this happening again.
More or less the same like the Covid vaccine. Most people got vaccinated not only for medical reasons but more of a social pressure on individual choices. So you are correct
Both captain's of titanic and titan avoided signs to avoid the disaster. Both refused the warnings.
Please don’t romanticize this guy, CBS. He was clearly a narcissist that mislead laymen adventurers into trusting him, leading them straight to their tragic deaths.
This guy is the man. How many submarines have you built? Shut uo
Narcissist is being too kind.
The passengers knew what they were getting into. They had to sign a release stating they were aware the sub had not been approved by any regulatory agency and death could result from the expedition.
Lol did you watch the video? Far from it
Industrial Revolution redux, still making the same mistakes 100+ yr later.
5:24 I have seen many videos on Titan recently and everyone comments on Rush's lax attitude to safety
"The ocean is the universe and that's where life lives."😢. What a great quote to end the interview. May they all rest in peace 🙏
9:19 Yes, but don't lie to others about security protocols, much less expose them to unnecessary risks for your own ambition. Stockton Rush and his entire team is a clear example of human stupidity. You are lucky to be alive. My condolences to the families of the deceased.
The ocean isn't just where life is. It's also where Rush and his four passengers of the Titan will be forever entombed along with the passengers of the Titanic.
Not really entombed. There is nothing left of the sub or the passengers from such an implosion. At least it would have been instantaneous.
May Allah provide them with peace and protection
More like fish food, they got turned to goo
Good riddance! I don’t give a crap about anyone who has hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on their rescue. It’s time we have equality in this world, and they were treated way better by our own government then anyone of us have ever been treated by our governments. The US government has never once tried to save me.
So again GOOD RIDDANCE.
Not really buried. The human body dissolves very quickly in waters like that so you won't find any human remains.
What a shame....
"There were a lot of rules out there that didnt make engineering sense to me"
Mr. Rush's words are beyong chilling, I am surprised he lived as long as he did😨
I agree, if he wanted to take the risk with his life, please be my guest. But when you take the responsibility of someone else's life literally in your hands, you damn well better have something more iron clad than a damn signed waiver. He was arrogant and used the oldest line in the book" of course everything is safe, I wouldn't go down there if it wasn't safe." now look what happened!
They paid for the Titanic experience , they got the full Titanic Experience.
It’s so sad because if I was the 19 year old and was scared or didn’t want to go down, most parents would think you were being a brat and are being ungrateful for the opportunities you have.
Sadly the law states he'd reached his majority and can enter into legally binding contracts
@@ihatespam2807 anyway his mother has confirmed that he had wanted to go to break a record
with his Rubik cube. He went happily, exited and laughing with his father, who had taken a small
camera to film it all. The young man had even applied for this record at the Guinness book of records!
The mother had been, together with her daughter, on the mother ship! She understood as soon as there
were no more pings coming!
@@juttaweise I wouldn't believe anything mom said at this point, she looks all drugged up!
@@newhorizon4066 sure in todays world Drama is so much more to the taste, that this "poor boy" was dragged down by this criminal of a father! And a "drugged" mother!
Fyi, the mother is german and she gave an interview together with her daughter in german, and let me tell you, they both confirmed, that he wanted so much to go, to break that Rubik cube record. They had been on the big ship to see them off, and father and son left exited for this adventure! The mother said, if there had been the slightest fear in her son, both her husband and she would never ever have forced him!
You can believe what you want!
The heartbreaking constant is 5 people lost their lives, especially the young man.
Rest in Peace to all that have perished under the Atlantic Ocean. 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
More like rest in pieces
@@mmoonnkkeeyymore like mist
@@mklightemup3567 Not even mist. Their entire molecular makeup vanished into the sea.
...or any body of water. RIP to any soul that was lost due to the ignorance of mankind.
@@charlesmiv3842the fish are like hey did you taste something new in the water today? 😅
2:45 "Stockton Rush had the credentials: He majored in Aerospace engineering at Princeton"
As a lay consumer, I wouldn't believe his word over literally everybody else in the community, even if he had a PhD. I know that we love maverick CEOs who crap on the establishment here in America, but even an extremely smart individual does not know more than everybody else in the community over all of human history. There's a reason why we respect the Einsteins of the world. Yes, they were geniuses, but they published their results within the system and convinced the establishment to change their ways.
People like Rush choose not to do the hard work of getting the community to trust their novel design. That's the lesson behind this disaster. If literally everybody else within a given community thinks something is a bad idea, it's a bad idea unless definitively proven otherwise.
Some call it innovative strength and a spirit of discovery. Others call it risk, greed, and disturbing a seabed resting place.
I served in the United States Navy as an Auxiliary Mechanic between 2010-2014. I qualified in Submarine Warfare and am quite literally an expert on this case. The following is my take on this catastrophe which I stand by and would testify to in a court of law. I will omit and/or censor information that is likely classified and could reveal places, depths, and locations and do a lot of bad in the wrong hands.
First, The USS San Francisco hit an underwater mountain in 2005 and only one person was killed in the crash. With a crushed forward compartment the ship still surfaced and saved everyone on board (except MMA2(SS) Ashley RIP)
Secondly, Every system that involved operation outside the ship had a haul valve and two backups. And the last chance backup was using *,000 PSI hydraulics. Even our backups had backups so we make it home safe.
Thirdly, Our United States Ship hull was made of **-*0 steel and would not make it to 13,000 feet. It wouldn't even make it to 1/(omitted) of that before being crushed due to the pressure put on the hull.
Fourth, in the movie Titanic they don't even send people down in their underwater explorer to see the Titanic. The movie creators, actors, directors, and producers themselves took more care of human lives than the Titan CEO did.
Fifth, the Titan didn't have an Emergency Air Blow system which is the reason the *****fe system was instituted after the USS Thresher got water in their emergency air system, failed to surface when actuated, and crushed under the pressure of the depths of the ocean.
Sixth, I am not sure of the CEO's net worth but I have been told billions. I do not know how much it would cost to buy a decommissioned sub and employ a crew but from the sound of it this guy could afford it. Why was he cutting costs?
In my personal, and professional opinion the Titan CEO committed gross negligence. He was warned by multiple parties and ignored it. It is my personal, and professional opinion that every member of the jury would have done a better job with this venture.
Thank you for your time,
Former MMA2(SS) Stephen C. Goldsmith
USS Ohio SSGN726 (Jan. 2010-Nov. 2010)
USS Alabama SSBN731 (Nov. 2010-Jun2014)
I was disappointed this segment didn’t go harder into how this could’ve been avoided, specifically previous instances where something went wrong on the Titan other than on Pogue’s own journey, what exactly the deep sea exploration community said/expressed about the Titan over the years, and bringing in governmental figures on how the search and rescue (now recovery) operation went. It seemed like they presented this tragedy as an inventor unfortunately killed by his own “innovation” rather than a hubristic and careless individual flying too close to the sun for vain glory.
And don't forget that $250,000 a head he collected.
Now it's nothing but blood money.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses
Rush’s arrogance killed him and 4 people. Hope this company is faced with every lawsuit imaginable
I don’t understand why you all are hating so bad on this guy. He was an “innovator” and there will probably be additional submarine designs in the future based off of his that will take tourists to underwater destinations.
If now one ever tested engineering limits in the past our would would be a different place.
it's a fake story, didn't happen.
They became an ink spot in the ocean at about 10,000 ft depth last Sunday at approx 9am.
RIP ❤
Terrible Terrible Way To Die. And Especially At The Titanic Wreck RiP
@@michaellomeli8096 I know, right? What if it's full of angry ghosts x_x
@@ix12 The ghosts sank it :O
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses.
The fact that the pressure systems seemed to be the one thing Rush was concerned with making sure was safe and it still imploded.
Omg this!!
Last few days when driving I was trying to find a straight road that I could see 2.5 miles down to see how far the distance is by eye. Well I just passed a few cops that had someone pulled over, I hit the trip reset and drove to the next traffic light that was up hill and soon as I got to the light my trip hit 2.5 miles and I looked back to see how far away the police lights were (it’s dark out) and man it’s hard to believe how far that really is. It’s really amazing that anyone was able to go down there at all and find them. People laughed when they heard how Titan was lost trying to find titanic but when you visually see how far 2.5 miles is it really changes ur perspective, I think without visually seeing 2.5 miles and not knowing the ocean floor has mountains and all kinds of stuff people have the concept of looking at the ocean like a pool. I also gotta say after seeing 2.5 miles I would never consider going down that far and if the men were still alive, the sub didn’t explode it would have been next to impossible to raise them up if needed.
7:00 - Poor words coming from a man who not only killed himself, but also the four passengers who trusted him.
and the “reporter” nodding his head in agreement
Carbon fibre has _tensile_ strength, but the forces from water pressure acting on the Titan were _compressive._ It is likely that the binder alone gave the hull its compressive strength with fibre holding it together to prevent cracking. The junction of the carbon fibre, titanium and the glue that bonded them was a weak point with different rates of expansion and contraction. Glue that is elastic at room temperature is likely brittle at near freezing temperatures. These materials were bound to detach from one another. What is surprising is not that the vessel failed, but that it managed to hold together for as long as it did.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with a cylinder design with hemisphere ends, although in the submersible it was employed in a situation that is the reverse of the gas container concept under which it evolved where gas pressure is exerted outward. Forces acting upon it merely need to be analyzed correctly. That will likely be the shape of future crafts, not spherical designs. Had the hull of this vessel been constructed of a single material, titanium, properly analyzed as to the forces acting upon it, possibly cast as a unit, this craft might have successfully completed this and many other trips to the ocean floor and back.
Thank you! This is a sound, well-informed analysis.
The verse of God is repeated again, just as people built a gigantic ship before and challenged God with it that he could not sink it. God accepted the challenge and sank it today, drowning a submarine that came to it and took the same name. And just as God made the whole world talk about ships And he makes movies and songs for it to make it famous and teach people his verses He made the world talk about the submarine and became famous so that they could know his verses More fame for the first incident and a reminder of it so that people can remember its verses
Exactly. Because 12 trips was A LOT for this craft to withstand. It was just a matter of time before the weaknesses became fatal.
could not have said it better, a totally homogenized hull of metal that does not fray and bend so willingly to the oceans pressure, what an assanine way to go, rip
@@aaishasingh3565 --- where can you find 12 trips other in this piece. It's 3. And the 4th never came back.
The problem here is that the most important part is what failed ultimately. There was no redundancy for that, especially after studying how implosions happen with submarines. Many times too much intelligence blinds us to the simple flaws. This is why we need our peers to evaluate protocols. I give a huge applause to his engineering but do let other people help you find flaws in your design. If it was just your life, go right ahead. You are in charge of not 1 but 5 passengers. Think about them.
Excellent reporting perspective on a really tragic incident.
The sad part is....they were warned. So many times. So many malfunctions...and they just kept pushing
Hopefully something positive comes out of this tragedy; glad Dave is here to tell the tale.
Damn , David,your report and concerns were so prescient in hindsight 😢. So glad you lived another day to tell this cautionary tale of poor design- combined with man's hubris in thinking the vast unknown of the ocean 🌊 is something to take lightly 😢😢
I really am glad this didn't happen while he was on the sub
Thank you so much... yeah, I've got some COMPLICATED emotions going on this week. There were only 2 dives between our dive and the fatal one... I feel like a guy who survived Russian roulette..
Honestly, coverage of this disaster would've been far more boring without the great report they did. What remarkable timing.
@@DavidPogue I'm sure the feelings/emotions are complicated and let me say from another person who came into this world 🌍 the same year as you ,glad you're still in it 😉🙏🙏 And no more 'submersibles' for you!😭❤️🙏😉
@@DavidPogueI can imagine your emotions being all over the place, if I met Stockton Rush, I would find it also difficult to see him being vilified seeing as though he lost his life as well, he comes across as someone who has his heart in the right place and as someone who believes what he is saying wholeheartedly, even though that belief is flawed. Its so tragic all round. May they all Rest in peace
6:59
It speaks for itself.
David, are you doing all right? You certainly seem ok, but it's a tough thing you went through and I'd just like to point out that there's no shame in talking to someone about it if you need to. Same goes for anyone who recently went on the Titan before the disaster.
So, no recognition of how incredibly lucky David is to be alive and no recognition that CBS should never have promoted this company through its very flattering piece on this venture.
@@dancdruff lol, that comment wont last long. (:
I can't believe that CBS repeated the lie that NASA consulted on the project.
He's not lucky, had he gone down at that point in the sub he would be ok as the structural integrity had not been compromised enough yet
OMG I can't think of ANYTHING ELSE but how lucky I am. There were only 3 dives between our dive and the fatal one!!
On the other hand, I'm not sure "flattering piece" is the right term. The original story is the one that focused on the cheap, off-the-shelf components and radical design. I can tell you that OceanGate was VERY unhappy with our story.
@@DavidPogue Fair enough, I am so very happy for you and your loved ones that you survived to tell us about it.
“There were a lot of rules that didn’t make engineering sense to me.”
That’s just says it all.
"This is my steering wheel at the bottom of the ocean !" - Shows a Logitec controller
"nature cannot be fooled" as Richard Feynman famously said at the 1986 Space Shuttle fatal explosion inquiry. 'O-ring' pressure seals then, carbon fibre/epoxy resin composite hull with this. Deepsea marine engineers warned OceanGate years ago that this was a very possible scenario and one had asked him directly to stop using the material. Rush's response was to threaten legal action! Only simple basic physics is needed to understand that a high quality steel or titanium continuous structure is required to reliably withstand water pressures of 5 to 6,000 PSI.
Thinking outside the box, should never mean risking human health and safety.
Exactly. Think outside the box should never mean abandon sound reasoning and responsibility.
Taking risk is EXACTLY what thinking outside the box means. Stay inside the box and never grow. As a serial entrepreneur I assure you that staying inside the box is wrong. Do what everyone else does and get what everyone else gets.
@@wacobeer6469 You dont want to be outside the box if the box is meters deep in the ocean. taking risks can be great sure, never means you can abandon reasoning though. engineers dont just throw out unplanned technology thats more efficient with the risk of blowing up anytime randomly.
Everyone will die, its okay to take any risk
Are you joking? A culture of safety is when you cancel the dive when THREE things are off? This is deep diving not trekking. We cancel the dive if ANYTHING is slightly wrong, full stop. For cave diving, at 50m not 4000, you need to have three functioning lights. One to use, other two in case it breaks. Divers bring four lights with them, so even if one breaks they still have three and are not forced to resurface. Three lights at all times for 50m. And these kids were cancelling only when they had 3 problems together?? 😂 this journalist needs to accept he was fooled by a con artist CEO like many others before him.
A Mexican UA-camr did a vid. They went down 2.1 km and had a comms failure. They released a ballast but upon restoring comms they acted like nothing happened...it's insane really.
Are you really ignorant? Pogue wasn't "fooled", he was told everything that was going on, and like most that are interested in this kind of stuff, probably had the same mentality "yeah, some risk, but won't happen to me"
Same risk and thoughts skydivers or mountain climbers probably have.
Wokeness killed these people Also.
Yes. Rush was had a good sales pitch and this reporter obviously bought it hook line and sinker..all his reports are also to cover the fact tht he was conned too.
@@beavis8167 deregulation killed these people.
Guess what the right-winger's favorite ideology is.
3:58 poor guy trusted Rush😢