Ah the study he is referencing, please go and look at it, the subjects all ate a standard diet and, yes their LDL was high. But the damage was being done by the high carb and high fat diet. Laymen's terms: The high carb creates damage in the arteries, tears, ripping etc. The high cholesterol travels to damage and repairs it. Leaving scarring, damage continues scarring builds up and creates blockage. This is not the fault of cholesterol, this is the fault of high carb. For Layne to ignore the the FULL diet the participants where on, is disingenuous at the least.
Correct. Sugars morphs a small percentage of ldl into almost like a piece of glass. I forgot what they call it. But basically it creates tears in your vascular system and the ldl patches it up. We’ve got to stop the excessive sugar/carbs in this country. Also excessive calories from carbs increases your triglycerides. So many people have NAFLD. I have early fatty liver disease. Let’s also note Vitamin K2 (mk4) and (mk7) help prevent calcium from attaching to this plaque in our vascular system and brain. I take it now. Even .gov sites show k2 is an amazing nutrient we all need to be taking. I work in health care, soooo many people have calcium deposits every where and hardened arteries. Vitamin d, Magnesium Glycunate, Vitamin K2 (mk4) & (mk7), fish oil with high epa and dha and “possibly” Cayenne pepper. These supplements are great starters for people that want to know. All super cheap.
I saw this short - is he honestly saying nit to eat carnivore?? I've never felt better and I had pain like child birth from gallstone attack - I now feel calm and peaceful without carbs!!
Glucose is a carb, correct? Well, when on carnivore your body produces glucose through glucogenesis. So you are stil getting carbs. Inuit mummies had high rates of atherosclerosis. If carbs cause athersclerosis, why does the tsimane tribe have the healthiest hearts known to science? They eat a diet primarily based on carbs. But their diet is low in fat as well, as wild game and fish are low in carbs.
@@AnthonyLee-dj1xothey travel 11 miles a day on foot to hunt their food. Nor is their plants and carbs nearly as processed or lab-created as what we have access to. Their workload alone burns enough of the carbs where they don’t worry about insulin resistance. Your comparing 🍎 🍎 to 🍊 🍊
LDL through the roof. Zero plaque, zero calcium score based on CT Angiogram. Cardiologist advised to CONTINUE lifestyle based on overall health benefits
A carnivore diet is like a bandaid. Of the 6 Blue zones in the world none of them are carnivores. Their diets are high on plants. The only blue zone in the USA is Loma Linda , CA and they are vegetarians. That is enough proof for me.
I have migraines, endometriosis, adenomyosis, pelvic adhesive disease and fibroids. Every month felt like I was in labor. Started carnivore. No more pain. Also, my blood work is normal. Maybe carnivore doesn't work for everyone but it damn sure works for me 🙃💜
You are making his point for him. He’s saying you might feel great now, but you won’t know the long term effects until they come knocking on your door. If you’re feeling happy with it and happy with the risk then good for you, it’s your life. But the way you feel now is no indication of the long term impact it could have. Many similar cases with other lifestyle choices.
Yes , nobody was talking about any other health conditions but heart disease . He’s saying be careful because what good are those other things being remedied if you are going to have a heart attack soon ? Plus , the age old argument is whether it was all the other things that were eliminated out of your diet that enabled you to be free of these ailments . Im sure it wasn’t an occasional piece of fruit or vegetable that led to those diseases / health conditions . Meaning , if you eliminated all those detrimental foods and still had fruits vegetables , you would be in even better health .
@elizabethburns1449 I'm glad it helped you! Endo is no joke and I feel like doctors are like here's pain meds and birth control and send us on our way. 😑. Changing my diet has helped more than any medication did
He's under the influence of the old school, these doctors are worried about loosing customers and that's it. I wish they would stop pushing information that's outdated or straight up not true. I have heard plenty doctors saying high ldl isn't a issue.
@@rebekahann6070 It’s a relatively new fad . Give it time . Where are all the carnivores into the upper 90’s in perfect mental and physical health ? At least the plant based , juicing advocates proved it . 1) jack lalanne 2) Elaine lalanne 3) Charlotte gerson 4) Jay kordich 5 Dr Norman w.walker To name a few . According to you carnivores and your scare tactics regarding healthy food , these people would have keeled over upon their first sip of carrot juice or their first bite of a banana . OH NO , SUGAR !!!!! Lol
@Iconic3509 that response is weak homie. There are plenty of long term carnivores who share their medical history. Plenty of them have been carnivore over 20 years. The vegan lifestyle made me very sick in many ways. Carbs absolutely make me sick. Those names you commented are probably all border lining diabetic.
@@KevinsKontentKornerIt's a joke. He is referring to a study published by Nick Norwitz that showed a higher LDL drop when consuming Oreos vs taking statins.
@@KevinsKontentKorner no. It’s evidence from another video made about his LDL and carnivore and the guy literally ate the exact same carnivore diet and simply added in Oreos everyday and lowered his LDL.
Anthony Chaffee? HAAAAAAAAA! The plants are trying to kill you guy? All the best longevity diets have mostly plants. I eat plenty of meat but Chaffee is a total joke, scam artist.
@@GraemeSmith-kd5ebDoctor Mathew Nagra only says 'study says this' or 'study says that.' He doesn't use any logical reasoning in his arguments. Can he explain how the Maasai and Inuits survive on a meat-based diet? No, he can't.
My heart attack came when I ate the standard recommended diet with LDL level below 100 for the first 59 years of my life. Now 65, been carnivore for 5 years and every single marker, inflammation, weight, Triglyceride/HDL ratio, lipid distribution and size, A1C, had moved to little to no risk of future heart attack. LDL alone moved up to 270. Why on earth would I be afraid of that? I am at my high school weight, active, sleeping, feeling better than I ever have since high school. Maintaining muscle while dropping most body fat. BMI below 23. It was cardiologists, lipid specialists, PhD researchers, and MDs that convinced me to become carnivore in the first place. My results are proving them correct. Not ignorant statements or misinterpretation of research like these doctors are doing. Stay the course, it will improve and or save your life.
You feel healthier because you lost 100 pounds NOT because of carnivore. You started eating less because you had less access to food choices which cured your obesity. Carnivore is still an overly restrictive, nutrient deficient and unoptimized way of dieting.
I am personally at a point where a don’t even care anymore. I feel 20 times better so I couldn’t care less if I die 20 years earlier, assuming he is right. I feel absolutely amazing.
@@Macgee826 He already is because the longest lived people are raw foodist’s who consume fruits , vegetables, nuts , seeds and the associated juices and milks . It’s just fact . No long term carnivores in their late 90’s in perfect health . Until they can produce those results , cant hop on board of a fad .
Cholestorol does not cause heart disease per surgeon Dr Chaffee.... You MUST check PARTICLE SIZE!! I, being 2 year carnivore have the GOOD LARGE cholesterol PARTICLES and per the blood lab chart advisements based on particle size am at VERY LOW RISK of any cardiovascular issues! It is seed oils and sugar combined with protein that causes small sticky particles and leads to heart issues!
@@irishshamrock3025 First of all , nobody is detailed enough to make a distinction between a cold pressed , highly nutritional oil like flax and Wesson vegetable oil . One (the flax) has not been adulterated, boiled to death /refined , stored for exorbitant amounts of time (leading to rancidity ) , and denatured . You could write a book on each one of those things I just mentioned . The oils found in raw nuts /seeds / avocados , coconuts are all highly beneficial and are the best forms of EFA’s.
@@strategicsage7694 there are a plethora of ways to lose weight. I’d rather choose the method that cures everything else too. I want more for my buck you might say.
I’m a lay person trying to educate myself about the risks and benefits of this diet pattern. Would you be able to share these studies? Are they public info?
I knew of a lady who was somewhat overweight - she was always on a different diet and would buy tons of treats that were low fat and sugar free and do fad diets and diet sodas etc... she then started doing some diet drink and became a salesperson for this product. Soon after (and she was only in her 50s) she began to exhibit signs of dementia. It was the most tragic story. They were young grandparents and had just moved in with their daughter to help with her 3 kids. She soon had to be put in a nursing home where she loved for almost 15 years in deep dementia. Meanwhile her husband was completely heartbroken and succumbed to cancer- passed away before her. I always thought there was a connection with the food- she was extremely anti-fat yet never lost weight. Now hearing evidence of keto/carnivore possibly reversing dementia is mind boggling. The poison that has been pushed on us by big food is criminal.
I was plant based when I got a stroke at the age of 33. An obese lady dietician came to my room in a hospital to talk about my EXTREMELY High cholesterol and that I needed to change my diet, while I was eating oatmeal only while in an ICU.The doctors and nurses saved my life, but the true healing began when I found and switched to keto and animal based diet. Now I am eating all the meat, eggs, fish and dairy my heart desires and go for an annual MRI - I have healed on a carnivore diet, I am 37 now.. The fact that I not only survived, but also fully recovered still boggles the doctors, and they remind me all the time that it is a miracle. BTW, I have never been overweight, when I was on the operating table a nurse looked at me and said - "You are way too young to be here". Thanks universe I found this way of eating.
@@GraemeSmith-kd5eb Plants don't contain cholesterol, that is correct. BUT cholesterol is also produced by our liver, and when there is a lot of inflammation, we produce more cholesterol, as it actually helps with healing. My cholesterol went through the roof right after surgery, all while I was eating oatmeal only. None of the medical personnel told me this about cholesterol. I learned it myself much later when I embarked on learning about nutrition and supplements. Yet, they sent a dietician to talk about my cholesterol..
It couldn't be the trillion dollar industry the meat and dairy industry spreading these lies could it? Nah there infallible they cant lie to promote there products that's not allowed in the meat and dairy industry. lol sure
So let me get this straight. My engine was making funny noises and getting terrible mileage. I went to a mechanic and he said nothing was wrong, keep doing what I'm doing cause every-bodies car runs rough. He suggested some air fresheners, pouring bleach into my gas tank to clean the engine, and "Move it more to burn out the gunk because driving 200 miles per day is better for your engine than 50 miles per day." I took it home and my neighbor said after he watched a UA-cam video, changed his oil, spark plugs, and a sensor that his scanner said was bad and his car runs great now. I went back to the mechanic and told him about my neighbor. The mechanic flew into a rage, insulted my intelligence and that of my neighbor saying, "He's not a mechanic, what does he know? Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Don't you know bleach cleans things?" Two years later, I stopped seeing that mechanic, and I have over 350K miles on that same car. But hey, I guess one random day the engine will just blow up? Weird.
"Lol" Really? I love the confidence of the Carnivore Dunning Kruger crowd, that dismisses all the research by experts in the nutrition research as being unethical and financially motivated. Yes people across the academic research space are all money grubbing liars, unlike their nutrition space heroes who don't do peer reviewed research but sell popular books like Ken Berry ,and Anthony Chaffee. Kinda of silly.
Dr. Ken Berry is a scam artist. All the peer review research shows a higher mortality rate for people on the carnivore diet or who eat a lot of red meat. Even Dr. Atkins had tons of blockage in his arteries. Saturated fats are inflammatory and inflamation is what gives cholesterol tissure to grab onto and start building up in the first place. Add in a crap load of LDL cholesterol to inflamed arteries from saturated fat and you are on the road to an early death.
Half of all people who die of heart attacks have "normal" cholesterol levels. You need an advanced lipoprotein test to determine the type of ldl. The larger, fluffier ldl particles are less dangerous. Triglycerides are a better indicator of heart disease. The d dimer and calcium artery scan are also good tests to get.
They very much do. Your lack of integrity in personal life does carry over to professional and its even worse if you are looking to act as a guide for others.
Am 88 - enlarged heart with systolic murmur since aged five, been offered statins for many years but declined. High LDL (though the guidelines for high cholesterol changed radically in order to push statins) and I take zero meds and have been high fat carnivore for nearly a year. I question your statement.🙄🤔😘
The absolute IRONY of someone who lived EIGHTY SEVEN YEARS and apparently is still quite mentally coherent on non-carnivore diet claiming carnivore is the key. LOL
@@KevinsKontentKorner I forgot to mention that the chronic left hip and right knee pain, both hands fingertip inflammation (doctor could find no cause or cure - we tried a lot of tropicals), chronic right side of neck pain, lumbar pain from 2010 car wreck (totaled when was t-boned in intersection by a suspended licensed driver) and a lifetime of tension headaches are all GONE since I started on carnivore nearly a year ago - to fight breast cancer, when a quiescent 59-year tumor became fungated (you die in six months to a year) in September of 2022. I only found out about carnivore healing last year and gave it a shot. I became (and still am) co-caregiver for my terminally ill son-in-law in Feb of 2022 when my exhausted daughter asked. She has been 24/7 caregiving him for 8 years and is spent. I am so grateful that carnivore eating has wiped clean all my long time prior ailments (doc said were inevitable aging issues). Now I just have to rout the cancer. Maybe sometimes you should hold back on your solid convictions?
@@KevinsKontentKorner Whoops - forgot to mention that my blood panel last month showed I no longer (since blood draw last year) have Stage 3 kidney disease or elevated liver enzymes. My young PCP was stunned, a little overweight and looking into carnivore diet herself. The rest of my bloodwork is all normal ranges.👌😊
@@KevinsKontentKorner Right. And acquired a multitude of problems - if you saw my long list in an earlier response - and it wasn't censored the minute I posted it. Initially went carnivore to fight cancer, and incidentally reversed stage 3 kidney disease, elevated liver enzymes, normalized all my comprehensive metabolic blood panel tests, healed years of chronic fingertip inflammation (doctor tried, failed), stopped stress headaches, left hip, right knee pain, arthritic toes. And more. All acquired by believing in the food pyramid (which upended itself every few years). Butter, no butter. Eggs, no eggs, etc. I ate the standard American diet and had a multitude of maladies my PCP said were just concomitant with aging. All gone now while I try to reverse cancer with carnivore and an integrative metabolic protocol. Did you not see my earlier answer, or was it immediately wiped away?🤔🙄💖
yes the associative studies don’t prove causation. I’d love to see a study on healthy ppl without pre existing conditions who are carnivores with elevated LDLs get angios to see if they really do have CVD - until then it’s just an association
🤦🏻♀️ carnivore diet doesn’t cause heart disease, processed food and seed oils does those!! My papa ate only meat, eggs, cheese and butter, and he had very healthy life until he died at the age of 98
@@Ai_Mindz my parents ate all the above,died with COPD, dementia, anaemia, atherosclerosis,low B12.aged 86/87 in care homes for the last part of their lives,confused with the dementia.
@ what processed foods or carnivore diet? It couldn’t have been the carnivore diet that caused their unfortunate decline, it’s rich in vitamins and B12, contains everything the human body needs, but iodine, you would need to source more iodine rich foods.
wow this triggered so many carnivores. Ex carnivore here due to developing heart disease while on it. High LDL & ApoB puts us at risk. There are too many studies world wide to ignore but do want you want. Its your body and your choice.
LDL levels have been falling thanks to those marvellous statin drugs but CVD continues to rise so obviously there is an issue with that equation perpetuated by big money.
Exactly!! The studies I have seen carnivore doctors and others share can't show that LDL on it's own correlates to increased heart disease. I have been carnivore almost 3 years and this May my LDL went down from 128 to 90!! So the doctor recommended statins, but I told him in the past that statins increased my chronic pain, so he said it was up to me. Even with the decrease he wanted to put me on the meds!! BIG PHARMA!!
The individual is deeply indoctrinated, having undergone an intense process of indoctrination, which eventually led to obtaining a doctoral degree. LDL cholesterol has no direct connection with heart disease; this link was established by a doctor supported by the pharmaceutical and sugar industries, with the goal of profiting from the sale of cholesterol-lowering medications and selling sugars...
@@Gnosis2078 Sure don't believe me just research:Early research focused heavily on total cholesterol levels as a predictor of heart disease, without distinguishing between LDL and HDL cholesterol. All cholesterol was bad.For decades, guidelines encouraged people to avoid foods high in cholesterol, like eggs(super food), due to the belief that dietary cholesterol would significantly raise blood cholesterol levels. New research showed that dietary cholesterol has no effect on Ldl.Another blunder is the intense focus on reducing dietary saturated fat to lower LDL cholesterol, which led to the promotion of low-fat diets. Many low-fat products were made with high amounts of refined carbohydrates, leading to increased triglycerides, insulin resistance, and obesity,inflamation. This oversimplified "fat is bad" approach to diet is idiotic and harmfull .Use logic-Around 100,000 years ago, early humans were hunter-gatherers, meaning their diet was based on what they could hunt, fish, forage, or gather from their environment...thats our diet.
I used to have a stupid headache,sometimes I had to stop driving park somewhere to take a nap ,now on carnivore no more headache less pain on my back and feet …no more snoring,I sleep like a baby I love carnivore
It said that the connection of heart disease and LDL are positively correllated, and he mentioned that everyone he has seen on the carnivore diet has higher LDL. ( high LDL=bigger risk of heart disease)I don’t know if they’ve done studies on if carnivore diet has more incidences of heart disease, but he is saying that it likely will because of the increase in LDL.
@@norfolk1865 I know what he is saying, I’m saying taking a sample of high LDL and graphing it isn’t enough. If it’s carnivore their triglycerides are like 60, HDL is like 90 and VDLDL is like 8. Those people are not the same as the average person with high LDL and high everything else including sugar
@@norfolk1865and the arguments is a bs and tbf disgusting. They ignore the fact that higher ldl is generally corelated with better longevity (they call it a 'paradox'), then they intentionally ignore the fact their data is based (exclusively) on people gouging on 'normal' ultra processed food diet. There's nothing that indicates that a diet human kind has been eating for 99% of their existence, we have evolved on, that has enabled us to evolve (grow brain etc), is bad for us (because ldl or whatever).
@@norfolk1865 they’ve refused to study carnivores after the 2020 Harvard study showed its efficacy at treating disease and improving bio markers without the need for medicine. There is no connection with heart disease and the diet. There is no money to be made by big pharma for virtually anyone eating along the carnivore guidelines but there are plenty of shills out there trying to convince you not believe your lying eyes.
I am surprised that a health scientist like Rhonda Patrick show such ignorance of the big studies recently showing with enough strenght that high LDL is NOT a sure indication of indreased CDV risk and especially not of ditto ACM!
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans Some of them mentioned in this video, ua-cam.com/video/cUkAjIl5JrE/v-deo.html , and same guy has also other videos on same subject, then mentioning also other studies.Notable is what he mentions at the end of the video, where he refers to studies showing that what I wrote in foregoing comment is especially valid for elders, over 60 years!
This guy doesn’t know his stuff. When you stop consuming carbs the body produces good LDL to transfer the fat stores around the body. You need a Lipoprotein Fractionation test to break down the LDL in its component parts.
Could you break this down in easier wording for me? I started the carnivore diet to help lower my A1C levels but I get scared when I see videos like this. Thanks!
@siopulutua There are two kind of LDL, small dense and large fluffy. The small dense causes the build up of plaque near your heart and that is caused when LDL gets oxidized by excessive sugar in your blood stream. When you cut out carbs and excess sugar then your body starts to repair and recycle the LDL into the large fluffy kind which helps your immune system fight infections and other things. LDL also takes the trash from your cells back to the liver to be processed while HDL delivers nutrients to your cells.
I don't understand how eating things on the side helps? Essentially I'm just cutting out sides dishes, sweet tea and sodas. I would still be eating some kind of meat for every meal anyway. But with a side of toast, bread, salad, macaroni, or potatoes. I don't see that I'm missing much by not eating the extra crap? Are you telling me I would be healthier eating my cheese burgers with the bun , lettuce and sauce with fries? Or extra milk and sugar with my coffee? If I just ad a piece of toast with my bacon an eggs. Or galic bread and asparagus with my steak at night? I would be healthier? Doesn't make since to me. I do take vitamins. But all I eat is cheese, eggs, meat, seafood, with real butter, I still drink whole milk occasionally, Heavy cream in my black starbucks on the weekend. I just don't load up on sugar and carbs. This is what's going to keep me alive? How?
I truly appreciate hearing this wisdom from an intelligent human being who obviously has common sense. Your observation is obvious to anyone who has the willingness to think outside the box free of the indoctrination we have all slowly undergone for decades. You give me hope in a world overrun by sheeple who lack discernment and common sense. Everyone knows that sugar is unhealthy. Carbs (sides as you mentioned) turn to sugar in the bloodstream. All that is left is meat, eggs and healthy fats (tallow, real butter) and organ meat. Your hypothesis is well written and easily digested. The problem is that most folks can't think for themselves and they can't let go of their indoctrination. ❤❤
I have been a vegan for the last 13 years years and I am learning. My teen son wanted to eat meat after being a vegan for the last 11 years, and I researched it for few months and put him on it. He is much happier and enjoying his journey with this life choice. I am pleased for him. 😊
@@yellowrose803that’s good. Nice when vegans aren’t insane people haha. My best friend was vegan for 13 years. She thrived at first and then ended up having a whole host of problems. She did gaps and is doing way better.
If this is true and LDL was causing the heart disease then you would start to see the cac score rise over time. Many people that are carnivore have a 0 cac scare after 5, 7 , 9 and longer years of doing carnivore.
I believe a lot of people that have high LDL are not doing their blood work in a fasted state and not a long enough fasted state. You want to do your blood work with at least a 12-24 fasted state to get the most accurate reading of your blood work. I got my blood work done not fasted and had high LDL. Next year on the same diet did blood work in a 12 hour fasted state and LDL was in the normal good range.
He needs to learn more about LDL. LDL and total cholesterol are not significant indicators of heart health. American Heart Association officially stated this in 2018.
Remnant cholesterol under 2 is supposed to be the number you use. My grandmother and mother both had high cholesterol. I know their numbers because I was the one who took them to the doctor for checkups. Both grew up on farms. Grandmother lived to 104 and mother would still be here if the hospital didn't screw up a simple infection. She was 93. Both are still long lives
@Quixote1818 The vast majority of those studies were done incorrectly. For example, there was a study done about red meats and life span that included food items like lasagna as red meat. I don't know of any study besides one that showed a decrease in potential cardiovascular diseases that have the meat group only eat red meats, most of them don't actually control the diet. Which invalidates the study.
@brennand933 the nuance of most studies is that most of them allow the "meat eating group" to be on your standard american burgers, fries, and large soda every day. Unless the study has them on a red meat only with no exception diet. The study is invalid on determining anything with how a red meat diet affects the body.
I got on Carnivore because of joint pain. It was so bad i was becoming completely useless. That pain is gone now and it it was killing me. So Carnivore might be my only answer to this. I really dont want to do the carnivore diet but it has been my only answer.
The problem comes from Norton’s complete lack of credibility. He’s flat out lying that LDL level alone is a straight line predictor of increased risk of heart disease. Sure, use it as a marker to test and compare other risk factors, but implying causation is sensationalism and dishonesty.
@@chrissyyankee That evidence is not particularly strong. The biggest, longest studies show a definite causal relationship. There are other factors of course. Health is complex but high LDL must be dealt with.
@@chrissyyankee Yes, you can have high LDL if you don't have inflamation but the problem is, saturated fat from eating a lot of meat causes inflamation so not only are you increasing LDL by a lot you are giving it inflamed tissue to grab onto.
There is just too much nuance to continue to trust LDL as the Gold standard. Especially with all the research done on the lean mass hyper responders by David Feldman, it's time to cut the LDL cord. Not saying high LDL shouldn't be addressed when in the appropriate context, but we shouldn't blame the LDL for what the inflammation does to damage epithelial linings of the catdiovasculature caused by an unhealthy diet. Meat does not cause inflammation. But there are many culprits in the SAD diet and lifestyle choices.
“You’re not as healthy as if you your cholesterol was lower.” Do we know this? No, we don’t . We have evidence suggesting this for people who are eating a western diet. There is no evidence, none, for those following the type of woe we advocate for. If you, Rhonda and Layne are so smart, I have my doubts, you should be looking into the real world examples like the Inuit pre western diet. You should be closely following the work of Nick Norowitz and company. You should be asking yourself, why Jordan Peterson and his daughter are in far better health than ever before with no deleterious side effects. You should be asking yourself where the massive spike in cardiac issues are given the amount of individuals parading around with sky high LDL. Am I being rude? Absolutely, the paradigm is changing and you’re still trying to convince folks who could get healthy to follow a failed formula. Your murderers.
People are bragging about having 'outrageously high LDL' (up to 500!) while having ZERO total plaque scores! This stuff matters to all of us. Please stop obsessing over the occasional dumb stuff people say dumb stuff as a strategy to avoid discussing this very important data. You and Layne and others will look foolish until you finally take the LMHR study seriously, which you clearly have not done, as your critique of the paper sounded like it came from someone who hadn't bothered to read it. (For example, you criticized the use of CAC, completely missing the use of CTA.) When need you fully critically engaged, with the blinders off.
@ElizabethMillerTX you need to stop watching "doctors" who tell you what you want to hear and look at actual peer review research. Red meat is inflammatory, so not only are you increasing your LDL to insane amounts, but the inflammatory response is going to give the cholesterol inflamed tissue to latch onto. You may not see a lot of plaque buildup over a year or two, but over time, it's going to nail you hard. There's rock solid proof that the Mediterranean Diet is the best for longevity. The more red meat in a persons diet, the higher the risk of heart disease. Please spend more time looking at the peer review science and less time listening to scam doctors trying to get clicks.
@@Kubaaano With CTA! No significant diff b/t LMHR and Mi Heart in either soft or calcified plaque. And that is after an average of 4.5 yrs on the diet with a wacky lipid profile. Within LMHR group, they looked at all the things and there was ZERO correlation significance between apob, sdLDL, or LPa and the total plaque score. None, zip, zilch.
@@Kubaaano Matt Budoff helped design the study. Good luck finding someone with more normie skins on the subject. Respectfully it is time for Dr. Patrick, you, and others to open your eyes and start reading what you are allegedly commenting on, and join the conversation legitimately. (The answer to your question - "CTA" - was in my comment. And the study. Please read it.)
Everything on my labs improved dramatically after 17 months on Carnivore and I no longer have anymore health issues or disorders. Total cholesterol 224, LDL 140, HDL 84, Tryglycerides 115. I'll take high cholesterol over everything else! It's about what I'm not eating! Lost 81 pounds in the first 5 months. No supplements and no meds! If I die being a carnivore, then so be it! Better than dying eating the SAD diet, aka the Standard American Diet!❤
What urks me about Lane is his delivery. Its always "i have a phd, so im right and youre wrong." I highly recommend the channel physionic. Very in depth breakdowns of different drugs, diets etc. Check him out.
@zzzz-zu5mv body is designed to be carnivore. Only eat plants when you can’t get any game. Look at the life of the caveman. Been on it 6 months and I will NEVER go back. My health has greatly improved. Off all my meds, arthritis down 80%, more energy and cognitive function up over 100%. Have family members that have far more spectacular results. Nope not going back.
Unfortunately Layne does not yet know that it is not the LDL itself, the lipoprotein is irrelevant. It carries cholesterol which is absolutely essential to our life. It is the backbone for our sex hormones. Having low triglycerides is what is important.
This may or may not be true as there are no studies on people who eat Carnivore or Paleo i.e. healthy diets and have super high LDL except for a recent one going on right now which shows so far excellent results… I myself a 100 ldl carnivore with insanely high for four years at age 68 had zero plaque before and after.
All the online drs and so called influencers are full of it. Shawn Baker who started this carnivore community seems to be the only legit one. The rest imo have bs in them.
“You don’t feel heart disease till it comes knocking on your door” Is absolutely. High blood pressure can be unnoticed for a time but heart disease has many warning signs.
I'm one of those carnivores with sky high LDL. Even my doctor was chill about it when he understood what I'm doing. You have to view LDL levels in context. If I was eating a standard diet, it could be a warning signal. But on a super-high fat carnivore diet, is it normal.
Analogy for cholesterol. LDLs are like carts carrying rocks(fats). If the road is bumpy(inflammation), rocks will fall out and accumulate. If the road is smooth it doesnt matter if you increase the carts, because no rocks will fall out. Its better to have more carts on a smooth road, than less carts on a bumpy road
Lane would rather rant to people that can’t talk back than exchange ideas with a true scientist like Nick Norwitz who is in a different class of science than Lane
It's called LMHR Lean mass hyper responder. This goofball needs to read up on the science. The elevated LDL is a phenomena occurring with high levels of ketosis, since actual blood ketones (fat molecules) needs to feed the entire body with ketone energy, in the complete absence of glucose (not factoring in gluconeogenesis) It's not unhealthy
Sure your ldl goes up.... but if you aren't gonna test the ldl don't assume it's bad.. there is 2 ldl types and the test is expensive . So don't just assume it's bad.
I don't need too... Because there is not 1 carnivore advocate who made it past 85yo. They're all dead. Point me a link of a carnivore influencer that's 90yo - 100yo. There are none. Whilst there are lots of 100yo who are NOT on a carnivore diet.
So seed oils, carbohydrates, sugars would be a better diet than a natural animal fat and protein diet? Please don't say vegan that's a joke... I do acknowledge that some veggies are good and I have a select few i eat as well as berries. I personally will take my chances and avoid statins at all costs. I'm sure somewhere the statin fairy will come in.. ( I say that because my brother is a doctor and he loves statins.) At the end of day do what you want, I personally will eat the way I do and physically compete with people half my age and feel good.
@@bobbyj731 I agree and understand that I think most people willing to think and research things would agree it's more complex than A and B. The problem is that people have been so trained to believe that if you eat and live this way you as a good as dead. We need to eat vegan or be morbidly obese and live on insulin and statins... it's sad really, people should understand that you dont have be keto, vegan or whatever just stop eating all the crap and eat a more natural way of eating, not that difficult really.
If you also have enough HDL, your LDL cholesterol can be high and you can still be perfectly healthy. The role of HDL is to transport access LDL out of the blood stream and to the liver for disposal. What matters is your HDL/ LDL ratio and a healthy functioning liver, and if your liver isn’t functioning properly you have other issues to deal with.
So you go on a diet that improves insulin function and you cut calories to lose 30-40-50 lbs by mobilizing stored lipids and using them as energy. How do you think they're traveling around in the blood stream? LDL. Start eating enough fat daily so you don't need to use stored fat and guess what happens to your LDL?? Yeah, it goes down. They blame LDL because it transports cholesterol and they find crystalized cholesterol in the plaque formations. The problem is, LDL transports a cholesterol ester that can't crystalize. Meaning, that the cholesterol cannot be coming from LDL... When fat adapted, high levels of LDL while dieting mean you are very effectively mobilizing and utilizing your stored energy and burning fat.
Lame can't see beyond the next corner. He's so entrenched in ancient dogma. LDL is vital to health as long as it's not oxidized. So his take is, "You're healthy until you're dead."
Featuring what? Or you mean she'll be featured? If you have a channel I'd advise proofreading your comments, then you could avoid looking like a fool. Take care!
if your LDL is high but your HDL is low it more than likely just means your body is high in "healthy" fats. Especially if you have a good HDL to Triglyceride ratio, don't sweat this video.
Ah the study he is referencing, please go and look at it, the subjects all ate a standard diet and, yes their LDL was high. But the damage was being done by the high carb and high fat diet. Laymen's terms: The high carb creates damage in the arteries, tears, ripping etc. The high cholesterol travels to damage and repairs it. Leaving scarring, damage continues scarring builds up and creates blockage. This is not the fault of cholesterol, this is the fault of high carb. For Layne to ignore the the FULL diet the participants where on, is disingenuous at the least.
Correct. Sugars morphs a small percentage of ldl into almost like a piece of glass. I forgot what they call it. But basically it creates tears in your vascular system and the ldl patches it up. We’ve got to stop the excessive sugar/carbs in this country. Also excessive calories from carbs increases your triglycerides. So many people have NAFLD. I have early fatty liver disease. Let’s also note Vitamin K2 (mk4) and (mk7) help prevent calcium from attaching to this plaque in our vascular system and brain. I take it now. Even .gov sites show k2 is an amazing nutrient we all need to be taking. I work in health care, soooo many people have calcium deposits every where and hardened arteries. Vitamin d, Magnesium Glycunate, Vitamin K2 (mk4) & (mk7), fish oil with high epa and dha and “possibly” Cayenne pepper. These supplements are great starters for people that want to know. All super cheap.
I saw this short - is he honestly saying nit to eat carnivore?? I've never felt better and I had pain like child birth from gallstone attack - I now feel calm and peaceful without carbs!!
Glucose is a carb, correct? Well, when on carnivore your body produces glucose through glucogenesis. So you are stil getting carbs.
Inuit mummies had high rates of atherosclerosis.
If carbs cause athersclerosis, why does the tsimane tribe have the healthiest hearts known to science? They eat a diet primarily based on carbs. But their diet is low in fat as well, as wild game and fish are low in carbs.
Have you gallbladder issues settled since you've been on carnivore I've had my own gallbladder trouble and can agree it's very painful
@@AnthonyLee-dj1xothey travel 11 miles a day on foot to hunt their food. Nor is their plants and carbs nearly as processed or lab-created as what we have access to. Their workload alone burns enough of the carbs where they don’t worry about insulin resistance. Your comparing 🍎 🍎 to 🍊 🍊
LDL through the roof. Zero plaque, zero calcium score based on CT Angiogram. Cardiologist advised to CONTINUE lifestyle based on overall health benefits
Calcium is not your problem. It is the soft plaques that don't show up.
@@ClayTallStories he also stated a CT angiogram was performed, which would show both soft and hard plaques, if any. He said zero plaque was found.
@@ClayTallStoriesZero plaque was found.
A carnivore diet is like a bandaid. Of the 6 Blue zones in the world none of them are carnivores. Their diets are high on plants. The only blue zone in the USA is Loma Linda , CA and they are vegetarians. That is enough proof for me.
@@ClayTallStoriesBit embarrassing
I have migraines, endometriosis, adenomyosis, pelvic adhesive disease and fibroids. Every month felt like I was in labor. Started carnivore. No more pain. Also, my blood work is normal. Maybe carnivore doesn't work for everyone but it damn sure works for me 🙃💜
You are making his point for him. He’s saying you might feel great now, but you won’t know the long term effects until they come knocking on your door.
If you’re feeling happy with it and happy with the risk then good for you, it’s your life. But the way you feel now is no indication of the long term impact it could have. Many similar cases with other lifestyle choices.
Yes , nobody was talking about any other health conditions but heart disease . He’s saying be careful because what good are those other things being remedied if you are going to have a heart attack soon ?
Plus , the age old argument is whether it was all the other things that were eliminated out of your diet that enabled you to be free of these ailments . Im sure it wasn’t an occasional piece of fruit or vegetable that led to those diseases / health conditions .
Meaning , if you eliminated all those detrimental foods and still had fruits vegetables , you would be in even better health .
GIRL SAME!!! Literally the only cure for endometriosis and all the other junk!!!
It also cured my heart murmur!!! 🎉
Also, my brother had afib, cured him too!
@elizabethburns1449 I'm glad it helped you! Endo is no joke and I feel like doctors are like here's pain meds and birth control and send us on our way. 😑. Changing my diet has helped more than any medication did
So where are all the carnivores dying of heart disease?
Where do you see that carnivores are dying of heart disease!?
He's under the influence of the old school, these doctors are worried about loosing customers and that's it. I wish they would stop pushing information that's outdated or straight up not true. I have heard plenty doctors saying high ldl isn't a issue.
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It’s a relatively new fad . Give it time . Where are all the carnivores into the upper 90’s in perfect mental and physical health ?
At least the plant based , juicing advocates proved it .
1) jack lalanne
2) Elaine lalanne
3) Charlotte gerson
4) Jay kordich
5 Dr Norman w.walker
To name a few . According to you carnivores and your scare tactics regarding healthy food , these people would have keeled over upon their first sip of carrot juice or their first bite of a banana . OH NO , SUGAR !!!!! Lol
@@Iconic3509 You just assumed my diet... I'm not carnivore.
@Iconic3509 that response is weak homie. There are plenty of long term carnivores who share their medical history. Plenty of them have been carnivore over 20 years. The vegan lifestyle made me very sick in many ways. Carbs absolutely make me sick. Those names you commented are probably all border lining diabetic.
I guess I'll only eat oreo cookies for 16 days, drop my LDL and be considered healthy?
It works lol
That’s the conclusion you drew from this video? Bud, don’t ever become a detective
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@@KevinsKontentKornerIt's a joke. He is referring to a study published by Nick Norwitz that showed a higher LDL drop when consuming Oreos vs taking statins.
@@KevinsKontentKorner no. It’s evidence from another video made about his LDL and carnivore and the guy literally ate the exact same carnivore diet and simply added in Oreos everyday and lowered his LDL.
This guy is a joke😂 he’s had multiple interactions with Anthony Chaffee and looks like a clown Each time they argue on media
Because he is a clown
Check Dr Matthew Negra schooling Chaffee,then stfu
Anthony Chaffee? HAAAAAAAAA! The plants are trying to kill you guy? All the best longevity diets have mostly plants. I eat plenty of meat but Chaffee is a total joke, scam artist.
@@GraemeSmith-kd5ebDoctor Mathew Nagra only says 'study says this' or 'study says that.' He doesn't use any logical reasoning in his arguments. Can he explain how the Maasai and Inuits survive on a meat-based diet? No, he can't.
@@danishqureshi9350 You know they have a short lifespan,right.Average 60 and 70 years respectively.
My heart attack came when I ate the standard recommended diet with LDL level below 100 for the first 59 years of my life. Now 65, been carnivore for 5 years and every single marker, inflammation, weight, Triglyceride/HDL ratio, lipid distribution and size, A1C, had moved to little to no risk of future heart attack. LDL alone moved up to 270. Why on earth would I be afraid of that? I am at my high school weight, active, sleeping, feeling better than I ever have since high school. Maintaining muscle while dropping most body fat. BMI below 23. It was cardiologists, lipid specialists, PhD researchers, and MDs that convinced me to become carnivore in the first place. My results are proving them correct. Not ignorant statements or misinterpretation of research like these doctors are doing. Stay the course, it will improve and or save your life.
Carnivores: "I feel amazing, got off meds, and lost 100lbs"
Health influencers: "No, you just don't notice that you're sick 😡"
You feel healthier because you lost 100 pounds NOT because of carnivore. You started eating less because you had less access to food choices which cured your obesity. Carnivore is still an overly restrictive, nutrient deficient and unoptimized way of dieting.
@@thetruth9816 Nope, I was already at 12% body fat before turning carnivore. Still feel much better 😊
@@codinginflow if you had to lose 100 pounds there is no way you were 12% bf
@@thetruth9816 I didn't lose 100 pounds, I was quoting a common carnivore dieter experience.
@@codinginflow yeah well there’s the rebuttal up top
I am personally at a point where a don’t even care anymore. I feel 20 times better so I couldn’t care less if I die 20 years earlier, assuming he is right. I feel absolutely amazing.
He wont be!
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He already is because the longest lived people are raw foodist’s who consume fruits , vegetables, nuts , seeds and the associated juices and milks . It’s just fact .
No long term carnivores in their late 90’s in perfect health . Until they can produce those results , cant hop on board of a fad .
Hes not.
Cholestorol does not cause heart disease per surgeon Dr Chaffee.... You MUST check PARTICLE SIZE!! I, being 2 year carnivore have the GOOD LARGE cholesterol PARTICLES and per the blood lab chart advisements based on particle size am at VERY LOW RISK of any cardiovascular issues! It is seed oils and sugar combined with protein that causes small sticky particles and leads to heart issues!
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First of all , nobody is detailed enough to make a distinction between a cold pressed , highly nutritional oil like flax and Wesson vegetable oil .
One (the flax) has not been adulterated, boiled to death /refined , stored for exorbitant amounts of time (leading to rancidity ) , and denatured .
You could write a book on each one of those things I just mentioned .
The oils found in raw nuts /seeds / avocados , coconuts are all highly beneficial and are the best forms of EFA’s.
If they lose 30-40 pounds as Lame says, doesn’t that decrease their risk of having a cardiac event?
Absent the huge increase in ldl, I suppose it would. Losing weight is great. Avoiding fruits, veg and fiber is not correlated with good health
Yes, and he covered that specifically? I.e. carnivore isn't the only way to lose weight by a long shot.
@@rockyevans1584 just because it’s not correlated does not mean that it doesn’t provide good health.
@@strategicsage7694 there are a plethora of ways to lose weight. I’d rather choose the method that cures everything else too. I want more for my buck you might say.
@@rockyevans1584based on what observational studies or the fake blue zones. Were they actually eating meat.
He clearly havent seen the last 3-4 studies on cholesterol 😢
I’m a lay person trying to educate myself about the risks and benefits of this diet pattern.
Would you be able to share these studies? Are they public info?
@@cclausen3same here
of the people I follow on YT Layne is probably the first person to be reading new studies
Exactly what I was thinking!
If cholesterol causes heart disease, you could say firefighters are the cause of the fires they put out
I knew of a lady who was somewhat overweight - she was always on a different diet and would buy tons of treats that were low fat and sugar free and do fad diets and diet sodas etc... she then started doing some diet drink and became a salesperson for this product. Soon after (and she was only in her 50s) she began to exhibit signs of dementia. It was the most tragic story. They were young grandparents and had just moved in with their daughter to help with her 3 kids. She soon had to be put in a nursing home where she loved for almost 15 years in deep dementia. Meanwhile her husband was completely heartbroken and succumbed to cancer- passed away before her.
I always thought there was a connection with the food- she was extremely anti-fat yet never lost weight.
Now hearing evidence of keto/carnivore possibly reversing dementia is mind boggling.
The poison that has been pushed on us by big food is criminal.
Lady, you are talking rubbish….again.
Lane Norton conveniently forgets to mention the HDL triglyceride ratio. The guy is a fool.
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Hdl doesn't protect that much against heart disease, studies have shown this.
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An utter buffoon
Hdl doesn't protect against atherosclerosis.
There are no studies with people are carnivore levels of ldl showing long term they are healthy.
I was plant based when I got a stroke at the age of 33. An obese lady dietician came to my room in a hospital to talk about my EXTREMELY High cholesterol and that I needed to change my diet, while I was eating oatmeal only while in an ICU.The doctors and nurses saved my life, but the true healing began when I found and switched to keto and animal based diet. Now I am eating all the meat, eggs, fish and dairy my heart desires and go for an annual MRI - I have healed on a carnivore diet, I am 37 now.. The fact that I not only survived, but also fully recovered still boggles the doctors, and they remind me all the time that it is a miracle. BTW, I have never been overweight, when I was on the operating table a nurse looked at me and said - "You are way too young to be here". Thanks universe I found this way of eating.
Were you vaccinated?
@@LiveFreeuniversity No I was not. Very much against it
@@yuliamarynik Plants don't contain cholesterol,so respectfully,you're a liar .
@@GraemeSmith-kd5eb Plants don't contain cholesterol, that is correct. BUT cholesterol is also produced by our liver, and when there is a lot of inflammation, we produce more cholesterol, as it actually helps with healing. My cholesterol went through the roof right after surgery, all while I was eating oatmeal only. None of the medical personnel told me this about cholesterol. I learned it myself much later when I embarked on learning about nutrition and supplements. Yet, they sent a dietician to talk about my cholesterol..
@BeardedViking412 Thank you so much
People do a diet and lose weight and improve almost every metric. But it's bad. Lol. 🤡
People lose weight on cocaine, stupid.
Brought to you by Pfizer
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that's literally just not what he said
Love you Rhonda but really,? This guy is a proven clown puppet
so is she
Newsflash. She's also a clown.
Ldl isnt unhealthy. Thats a bs conclusion made by ancel keys
What's next, sugar in unhealthy?
decades of academic fraud and corruption
lost all respect for this channel when she became a mrna cheerleader
It couldn't be the trillion dollar industry the meat and dairy industry spreading these lies could it? Nah there infallible they cant lie to promote there products that's not allowed in the meat and dairy industry. lol sure
You are sooo right! Mr Keys also stated that fats were bad and sugar was good. Boy, he really got that one wrong.
@@ddee3190 he wasnt wrong
He was intentionally lying
So let me get this straight. My engine was making funny noises and getting terrible mileage. I went to a mechanic and he said nothing was wrong, keep doing what I'm doing cause every-bodies car runs rough. He suggested some air fresheners, pouring bleach into my gas tank to clean the engine, and "Move it more to burn out the gunk because driving 200 miles per day is better for your engine than 50 miles per day."
I took it home and my neighbor said after he watched a UA-cam video, changed his oil, spark plugs, and a sensor that his scanner said was bad and his car runs great now. I went back to the mechanic and told him about my neighbor. The mechanic flew into a rage, insulted my intelligence and that of my neighbor saying, "He's not a mechanic, what does he know? Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Don't you know bleach cleans things?"
Two years later, I stopped seeing that mechanic, and I have over 350K miles on that same car. But hey, I guess one random day the engine will just blow up? Weird.
Too true. Doctors should be required to take a simple psychology course to understand how their emotions cloud their judgment.
lol cholesterol has zero to do with heart disease
100%. But it is a myth with a lot of history and a lot of money and vested interests behind it.
"Lol" Really? I love the confidence of the Carnivore Dunning Kruger crowd, that dismisses all the research by experts in the nutrition research as being unethical and financially motivated. Yes people across the academic research space are all money grubbing liars, unlike their nutrition space heroes who don't do peer reviewed research but sell popular books like Ken Berry ,and Anthony Chaffee. Kinda of silly.
Its Like saying fire fighters are the cause of fires
WrongDa Patrick and Layme Norton😂
One could possibly implicate damaged VLDL cholesterol, but we'd have to run another citizen study- the only ones that can be trusted in 2024.
I really wish people like Dr Ken Berry would Counterpoint videos like this.
Dave Feldman is making very polite, thorough responses.
Dr. Ken Berry is a scam artist. All the peer review research shows a higher mortality rate for people on the carnivore diet or who eat a lot of red meat. Even Dr. Atkins had tons of blockage in his arteries. Saturated fats are inflammatory and inflamation is what gives cholesterol tissure to grab onto and start building up in the first place. Add in a crap load of LDL cholesterol to inflamed arteries from saturated fat and you are on the road to an early death.
It's simple. In these studies are they eating only meat? Or are they eating other stuff with it?
Check out Bart Kay. He goes after this foolishness.
Blaise V does
WHY DOES LOW LDL HAVE A HIGHER MORTALITY RATE THAN HIGH LDL in a 60 thousands person gold standard study this was shown
Because comparing whole food vegans to a person on a highly processed see food diet is not a fair comparison...
You would have to take a look and look at the potential confounding factors.
Half of all people who die of heart attacks have "normal" cholesterol levels. You need an advanced lipoprotein test to determine the type of ldl. The larger, fluffier ldl particles are less dangerous. Triglycerides are a better indicator of heart disease. The d dimer and calcium artery scan are also good tests to get.
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They both are full of shi. It's just that simple.
Never take advice from a guy who’s own life is in shambles
Weren't most of the great scientists lives i shambles?
I think not consider all forms of information is just silly
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And it's been that way FOR YEARS.
Didn't he cheat on his pregnant wife very publicly?
@@browserboy1984 So did Einstein! Personal life and ad hominem attacks have no place in science.
They very much do. Your lack of integrity in personal life does carry over to professional and its even worse if you are looking to act as a guide for others.
Am 88 - enlarged heart with systolic murmur since aged five, been offered statins for many years but declined. High LDL (though the guidelines for high cholesterol changed radically in order to push statins) and I take zero meds and have been high fat carnivore for nearly a year. I question your statement.🙄🤔😘
The absolute IRONY of someone who lived EIGHTY SEVEN YEARS and apparently is still quite mentally coherent on non-carnivore diet claiming carnivore is the key. LOL
@@KevinsKontentKorner I forgot to mention that the chronic left hip and right knee pain, both hands fingertip inflammation (doctor could find no cause or cure - we tried a lot of tropicals), chronic right side of neck pain, lumbar pain from 2010 car wreck (totaled when was t-boned in intersection by a suspended licensed driver) and a lifetime of tension headaches are all GONE since I started on carnivore nearly a year ago - to fight breast cancer, when a quiescent 59-year tumor became fungated (you die in six months to a year) in September of 2022. I only found out about carnivore healing last year and gave it a shot. I became (and still am) co-caregiver for my terminally ill son-in-law in Feb of 2022 when my exhausted daughter asked. She has been 24/7 caregiving him for 8 years and is spent. I am so grateful that carnivore eating has wiped clean all my long time prior ailments (doc said were inevitable aging issues). Now I just have to rout the cancer. Maybe sometimes you should hold back on your solid convictions?
@@KevinsKontentKorner Whoops - forgot to mention that my blood panel last month showed I no longer (since blood draw last year) have Stage 3 kidney disease or elevated liver enzymes. My young PCP was stunned, a little overweight and looking into carnivore diet herself. The rest of my bloodwork is all normal ranges.👌😊
@@devaapurna608 right, but the previous 87 years you were NOT carnivore, right?
@@KevinsKontentKorner Right. And acquired a multitude of problems - if you saw my long list in an earlier response - and it wasn't censored the minute I posted it. Initially went carnivore to fight cancer, and incidentally reversed stage 3 kidney disease, elevated liver enzymes, normalized all my comprehensive metabolic blood panel tests, healed years of chronic fingertip inflammation (doctor tried, failed), stopped stress headaches, left hip, right knee pain, arthritic toes. And more. All acquired by believing in the food pyramid (which upended itself every few years). Butter, no butter. Eggs, no eggs, etc. I ate the standard American diet and had a multitude of maladies my PCP said were just concomitant with aging. All gone now while I try to reverse cancer with carnivore and an integrative metabolic protocol. Did you not see my earlier answer, or was it immediately wiped away?🤔🙄💖
Can they please cite a study showing that ldl causes CVD when other lipids are in check?
They can’t lol 😂
It's a lie.
Can’t be done. Lie lie lie statin statin statin money money money money money money!
Exactly!!!!
They won't and they can't 😂😂😂
Heart disease from high LDL in 20-30 years? I'll take it, as a trade of how many other health issues carnivore healed.
yes the associative studies don’t prove causation. I’d love to see a study on healthy ppl without pre existing conditions who are carnivores with elevated LDLs get angios to see if they really do have CVD - until then it’s just an association
🤦🏻♀️ carnivore diet doesn’t cause heart disease, processed food and seed oils does those!! My papa ate only meat, eggs, cheese and butter, and he had very healthy life until he died at the age of 98
Blaming cholesterol is like blaming the bandage for the wound 😉
@@peterpan408 yeh I like that one, when I tell people that we should actually have high cholesterol they think I’m crazy lol!!
@@Ai_Mindz my parents ate all the above,died with COPD, dementia, anaemia, atherosclerosis,low B12.aged 86/87 in care homes for the last part of their lives,confused with the dementia.
@ what processed foods or carnivore diet? It couldn’t have been the carnivore diet that caused their unfortunate decline, it’s rich in vitamins and B12, contains everything the human body needs, but iodine, you would need to source more iodine rich foods.
Mine did the same and had multiple heart attacks and a stroke 😂
If your CACScore is zero on the carnivore diet, why would high LDL cause a heart attack?
Exactly.
Think you also gotta do another test that looks for soft plagues or something but if both show zero what’s the problem?
Softs plaquest do not contains calcium, and that's what the cacscore is about.
Soft plagues are actually more dangerous than hard plaque.
High protein Carnivore Diet and High protein Fiber Vegetable diet 50/50 .
wow this triggered so many carnivores. Ex carnivore here due to developing heart disease while on it. High LDL & ApoB puts us at risk. There are too many studies world wide to ignore but do want you want. Its your body and your choice.
How do you eat now?
Not a carnivore here, just curious what you’ve found to work.
You developed heart disease before you were on carnivore.
No your not lol you just mirrored the argument.
"Why can't you just eat the bugs, own nothing and be happy?"
LDL levels have been falling thanks to those marvellous statin drugs but CVD continues to rise so obviously there is an issue with that equation perpetuated by big money.
@@jonathanmagic5633 could be that is worth investigating
Exactly!! The studies I have seen carnivore doctors and others share can't show that LDL on it's own correlates to increased heart disease. I have been carnivore almost 3 years and this May my LDL went down from 128 to 90!! So the doctor recommended statins, but I told him in the past that statins increased my chronic pain, so he said it was up to me. Even with the decrease he wanted to put me on the meds!! BIG PHARMA!!
CVD risk per person years has decreased. See "Nutrition Made Simple" who did go over the evidence and published scientific literature.
The individual is deeply indoctrinated, having undergone an intense process of indoctrination, which eventually led to obtaining a doctoral degree. LDL cholesterol has no direct connection with heart disease; this link was established by a doctor supported by the pharmaceutical and sugar industries, with the goal of profiting from the sale of cholesterol-lowering medications and selling sugars...
Truth well spoken
@@zaplanar wow! So this is the place where you just pass along conspiracy theories? Got it and good luck, you’re gonna need it!
@@Gnosis2078 Sure don't believe me just research:Early research focused heavily on total cholesterol levels as a predictor of heart disease, without distinguishing between LDL and HDL cholesterol. All cholesterol was bad.For decades, guidelines encouraged people to avoid foods high in cholesterol, like eggs(super food), due to the belief that dietary cholesterol would significantly raise blood cholesterol levels. New research showed that dietary cholesterol has no effect on Ldl.Another blunder is the intense focus on reducing dietary saturated fat to lower LDL cholesterol, which led to the promotion of low-fat diets. Many low-fat products were made with high amounts of refined carbohydrates, leading to increased triglycerides, insulin resistance, and obesity,inflamation. This oversimplified "fat is bad" approach to diet is idiotic and harmfull .Use logic-Around 100,000 years ago, early humans were hunter-gatherers, meaning their diet was based on what they could hunt, fish, forage, or gather from their environment...thats our diet.
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Put your tin foil hat back on.
I used to have a stupid headache,sometimes I had to stop driving park somewhere to take a nap ,now on carnivore no more headache less pain on my back and feet …no more snoring,I sleep like a baby I love carnivore
Where's that study of Italians from the mountains that have raging super high LDL?? Yet very little heart disease
Exactly. The “blue zone” in Italy had crazy high LDL.
Was that line he drew through carnivore people or general population that have high LDL along with high other stuff
It said that the connection of heart disease and LDL are positively correllated, and he mentioned that everyone he has seen on the carnivore diet has higher LDL. ( high LDL=bigger risk of heart disease)I don’t know if they’ve done studies on if carnivore diet has more incidences of heart disease, but he is saying that it likely will because of the increase in LDL.
@@norfolk1865 I know what he is saying, I’m saying taking a sample of high LDL and graphing it isn’t enough. If it’s carnivore their triglycerides are like 60, HDL is like 90 and VDLDL is like 8. Those people are not the same as the average person with high LDL and high everything else including sugar
@@norfolk1865and the arguments is a bs and tbf disgusting. They ignore the fact that higher ldl is generally corelated with better longevity (they call it a 'paradox'), then they intentionally ignore the fact their data is based (exclusively) on people gouging on 'normal' ultra processed food diet. There's nothing that indicates that a diet human kind has been eating for 99% of their existence, we have evolved on, that has enabled us to evolve (grow brain etc), is bad for us (because ldl or whatever).
I thought the mighty layne himself would understand correlation doesn’t equal causation
@@norfolk1865 they’ve refused to study carnivores after the 2020 Harvard study showed its efficacy at treating disease and improving bio markers without the need for medicine. There is no connection with heart disease and the diet. There is no money to be made by big pharma for virtually anyone eating along the carnivore guidelines but there are plenty of shills out there trying to convince you not believe your lying eyes.
I am surprised that a health scientist like Rhonda Patrick show such ignorance of the big studies recently showing with enough strenght that high LDL is NOT a sure indication of indreased CDV risk and especially not of ditto ACM!
Link the study
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyansno kidding. People see one crap study and are ready to preach to everyone about how stupid we all are now. Also, vegeta rules
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans Some of them mentioned in this video, ua-cam.com/video/cUkAjIl5JrE/v-deo.html , and same guy has also other videos on same subject, then mentioning also other studies.Notable is what he mentions at the end of the video, where he refers to studies showing that what I wrote in foregoing comment is especially valid for
elders, over 60 years!
This guy doesn’t know his stuff. When you stop consuming carbs the body produces good LDL to transfer the fat stores around the body. You need a Lipoprotein Fractionation test to break down the LDL in its component parts.
Could you break this down in easier wording for me? I started the carnivore diet to help lower my A1C levels but I get scared when I see videos like this. Thanks!
@siopulutua There are two kind of LDL, small dense and large fluffy.
The small dense causes the build up of plaque near your heart and that is caused when LDL gets oxidized by excessive sugar in your blood stream.
When you cut out carbs and excess sugar then your body starts to repair and recycle the LDL into the large fluffy kind which helps your immune system fight infections and other things. LDL also takes the trash from your cells back to the liver to be processed while HDL delivers nutrients to your cells.
@@batulsi Thank you!
💯 (different fuels, different rules) 👍🏻💪🏻🥩
@@batulsi thank you!
I don't understand how eating things on the side helps? Essentially I'm just cutting out sides dishes, sweet tea and sodas. I would still be eating some kind of meat for every meal anyway. But with a side of toast, bread, salad, macaroni, or potatoes. I don't see that I'm missing much by not eating the extra crap? Are you telling me I would be healthier eating my cheese burgers with the bun , lettuce and sauce with fries? Or extra milk and sugar with my coffee? If I just ad a piece of toast with my bacon an eggs. Or galic bread and asparagus with my steak at night? I would be healthier? Doesn't make since to me. I do take vitamins. But all I eat is cheese, eggs, meat, seafood, with real butter, I still drink whole milk occasionally, Heavy cream in my black starbucks on the weekend. I just don't load up on sugar and carbs. This is what's going to keep me alive? How?
I truly appreciate hearing this wisdom from an intelligent human being who obviously has common sense. Your observation is obvious to anyone who has the willingness to think outside the box free of the indoctrination we have all slowly undergone for decades. You give me hope in a world overrun by sheeple who lack discernment and common sense. Everyone knows that sugar is unhealthy. Carbs (sides as you mentioned) turn to sugar in the bloodstream. All that is left is meat, eggs and healthy fats (tallow, real butter) and organ meat. Your hypothesis is well written and easily digested. The problem is that most folks can't think for themselves and they can't let go of their indoctrination. ❤❤
@@74GenX Spot on!
I have been a vegan for the last 13 years years and I am learning. My teen son wanted to eat meat after being a vegan for the last 11 years, and I researched it for few months and put him on it. He is much happier and enjoying his journey with this life choice. I am pleased for him. 😊
@@yellowrose803that's great you allowed him
@@yellowrose803that’s good. Nice when vegans aren’t insane people haha.
My best friend was vegan for 13 years. She thrived at first and then ended up having a whole host of problems. She did gaps and is doing way better.
So eating meat and eggs, some raw dairy and no sugar or processed foods is bad bc it raises you LDL? How’s that sound right Rhonda?
I predict this won’t age well.
😂😂😂literally 😂😂😂😂
Well, there'll be no crapivores around in 20 years to find out.
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It would be nice if these clips had a link to the longer videos
@@Itsme-e5j Skip it, Lame Norton is lost.
They do above the description
@@Skatelifecrisis_ ok thanks
How do I block your channel?
If this is true and LDL was causing the heart disease then you would start to see the cac score rise over time. Many people that are carnivore have a 0 cac scare after 5, 7 , 9 and longer years of doing carnivore.
Where are the 90yo - 100yo carnivore influencers at?
There are none.
Whilst there are plenty of 100yo who are NOT on a carnivore diet.
@@A.I.- What a silly thing to say. There are extremely few influencers of that age in any field, and living to be 100 is mostly genetics.
Can't take much away until there are long term studies.
Some people don't experience increasing cac scores. Definitely not most. ApoB is a better approximation but the data are clear on this relationship.
I believe a lot of people that have high LDL are not doing their blood work in a fasted state and not a long enough fasted state. You want to do your blood work with at least a 12-24 fasted state to get the most accurate reading of your blood work. I got my blood work done not fasted and had high LDL. Next year on the same diet did blood work in a 12 hour fasted state and LDL was in the normal good range.
Completely untrue. LDL gets capped at the perfect level. You can eat 30 eggs a day, it will give you the same LDL as if you ate 5.
He needs to learn more about LDL. LDL and total cholesterol are not significant indicators of heart health. American Heart Association officially stated this in 2018.
I'm beginning to think these two are click bait artists because they cannot be that blind not to see emerging science with the LMHR's.
Remnant cholesterol under 2 is supposed to be the number you use. My grandmother and mother both had high cholesterol. I know their numbers because I was the one who took them to the doctor for checkups. Both grew up on farms. Grandmother lived to 104 and mother would still be here if the hospital didn't screw up a simple infection. She was 93. Both are still long lives
Cholesterol is protective especially in the elderly.
It’s literally like Layne completely ignores the new science and studies coming out about LDL.
A study was done that found that long-term high dietary colesterol intake does not increase the likelihood of having a cardiac event.
Long term dietary cholesterol intake is in no way the same thing a long term blood LDL levels. Take another look at studies on the topic
Typical carnivore not being able to interpret the nuance of the specificity of studies at all
A lot more studies have been done showing that high red meat intake shortens lifespan and that saturated fat is inflamatory.
@Quixote1818 The vast majority of those studies were done incorrectly. For example, there was a study done about red meats and life span that included food items like lasagna as red meat. I don't know of any study besides one that showed a decrease in potential cardiovascular diseases that have the meat group only eat red meats, most of them don't actually control the diet. Which invalidates the study.
@brennand933 the nuance of most studies is that most of them allow the "meat eating group" to be on your standard american burgers, fries, and large soda every day. Unless the study has them on a red meat only with no exception diet. The study is invalid on determining anything with how a red meat diet affects the body.
I would love to see this same discussion with Dr Philip Ovadia, heart surgeon.
I got on Carnivore because of joint pain. It was so bad i was becoming completely useless. That pain is gone now and it it was killing me. So Carnivore might be my only answer to this. I really dont want to do the carnivore diet but it has been my only answer.
My LDL was perfect while I ketosis. Why would it skyrocket? I’ll take my chances with that because my a1c went down to 5.4 at the same time!
The problem comes from Norton’s complete lack of credibility. He’s flat out lying that LDL level alone is a straight line predictor of increased risk of heart disease. Sure, use it as a marker to test and compare other risk factors, but implying causation is sensationalism and dishonesty.
Keep telling yourself that. Lol
There's mounting evidence that we've been misled about LDL being a good indicator of cardiovascular health. Use better markers!
@@chrissyyankee That evidence is not particularly strong. The biggest, longest studies show a definite causal relationship. There are other factors of course. Health is complex but high LDL must be dealt with.
@@chrissyyankee Yes, you can have high LDL if you don't have inflamation but the problem is, saturated fat from eating a lot of meat causes inflamation so not only are you increasing LDL by a lot you are giving it inflamed tissue to grab onto.
There is just too much nuance to continue to trust LDL as the Gold standard. Especially with all the research done on the lean mass hyper responders by David Feldman, it's time to cut the LDL cord. Not saying high LDL shouldn't be addressed when in the appropriate context, but we shouldn't blame the LDL for what the inflammation does to damage epithelial linings of the catdiovasculature caused by an unhealthy diet. Meat does not cause inflammation. But there are many culprits in the SAD diet and lifestyle choices.
Spoken exactly like someone who has never been a carnivore
“You’re not as healthy as if you your cholesterol was lower.” Do we know this? No, we don’t . We have evidence suggesting this for people who are eating a western diet. There is no evidence, none, for those following the type of woe we advocate for. If you, Rhonda and Layne are so smart, I have my doubts, you should be looking into the real world examples like the Inuit pre western diet. You should be closely following the work of Nick Norowitz and company. You should be asking yourself, why Jordan Peterson and his daughter are in far better health than ever before with no deleterious side effects. You should be asking yourself where the massive spike in cardiac issues are given the amount of individuals parading around with sky high LDL. Am I being rude? Absolutely, the paradigm is changing and you’re still trying to convince folks who could get healthy to follow a failed formula. Your murderers.
These two are ABSOLUTELY among the last people I would consider advice from credible
People are bragging about having 'outrageously high LDL' (up to 500!) while having ZERO total plaque scores! This stuff matters to all of us. Please stop obsessing over the occasional dumb stuff people say dumb stuff as a strategy to avoid discussing this very important data. You and Layne and others will look foolish until you finally take the LMHR study seriously, which you clearly have not done, as your critique of the paper sounded like it came from someone who hadn't bothered to read it. (For example, you criticized the use of CAC, completely missing the use of CTA.) When need you fully critically engaged, with the blinders off.
@ElizabethMillerTX you need to stop watching "doctors" who tell you what you want to hear and look at actual peer review research. Red meat is inflammatory, so not only are you increasing your LDL to insane amounts, but the inflammatory response is going to give the cholesterol inflamed tissue to latch onto. You may not see a lot of plaque buildup over a year or two, but over time, it's going to nail you hard. There's rock solid proof that the Mediterranean Diet is the best for longevity. The more red meat in a persons diet, the higher the risk of heart disease. Please spend more time looking at the peer review science and less time listening to scam doctors trying to get clicks.
How are plaque scores measured? Also, are they measuring apob?
@@Kubaaano With CTA! No significant diff b/t LMHR and Mi Heart in either soft or calcified plaque. And that is after an average of 4.5 yrs on the diet with a wacky lipid profile. Within LMHR group, they looked at all the things and there was ZERO correlation significance between apob, sdLDL, or LPa and the total plaque score. None, zip, zilch.
@@Kubaaano Matt Budoff helped design the study. Good luck finding someone with more normie skins on the subject. Respectfully it is time for Dr. Patrick, you, and others to open your eyes and start reading what you are allegedly commenting on, and join the conversation legitimately. (The answer to your question - "CTA" - was in my comment. And the study. Please read it.)
Everything on my labs improved dramatically after 17 months on Carnivore and I no longer have anymore health issues or disorders. Total cholesterol 224, LDL 140, HDL 84, Tryglycerides 115. I'll take high cholesterol over everything else! It's about what I'm not eating! Lost 81 pounds in the first 5 months. No supplements and no meds! If I die being a carnivore, then so be it! Better than dying eating the SAD diet, aka the Standard American Diet!❤
This guy is a clown.
It would be awesome to get Dr Robert Cywes, Dr Ken Berry, Dr Westman, Dr Anthony Chaffee together like this.
How much money is this guy getting from big pharma?
I don't care what this man has to say,does he deserve a Nobel prize!!!
This guy has the audacity to call animal based eating unhealthy, when he's on mountains of steroids😂
@nicolasgirard2808ad*. Your diet clearly isn’t helping you with your hand eye coordination.
What urks me about Lane is his delivery. Its always "i have a phd, so im right and youre wrong." I highly recommend the channel physionic. Very in depth breakdowns of different drugs, diets etc. Check him out.
You're ignoring the triglyceride ratios. Smh. You're so missing data.
I have high LDL and zero blockage. People need to get heart scans.
All my cholesterol level have been super good since starting carnivore
Same here! And mine was so high precarnivore my doc wanted me on a statin.
Of course I said no even b4 discovering carnivore.
@zzzz-zu5mv body is designed to be carnivore. Only eat plants when you can’t get any game. Look at the life of the caveman.
Been on it 6 months and I will NEVER go back. My health has greatly improved. Off all my meds, arthritis down 80%, more energy and cognitive function up over 100%. Have family members that have far more spectacular results. Nope not going back.
Been carnivore omad two years
Honestly felt the worse when adding vegetables or carbs
Mine were never bad in the first place
It won’t harm you unless you’re mixing in bad shit like sugar, carbs and seed oils
BS! This is vLDL from Oreos and ice-cream not meat!!!
Unfortunately Layne does not yet know that it is not the LDL itself, the lipoprotein is irrelevant. It carries cholesterol which is absolutely essential to our life. It is the backbone for our sex hormones. Having low triglycerides is what is important.
Explain the oreo cookies study then lol lean people always have high ldl , ldl has nothing to do with heart disease
This may or may not be true as there are no studies on people who eat Carnivore or Paleo i.e. healthy diets and have super high LDL except for a recent one going on right now which shows so far excellent results… I myself a 100 ldl carnivore with insanely high for four years at age 68 had zero plaque before and after.
Same! Mostly Carnivore here with mid-high ldl and no plaque.
Please watch Paul Saladino's video on cholesterol, LDL, and HDL...
Paul Saladino is a supplement salesman
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_SuitAnd Layne Norton is a nutritionapp salesman.
All the online drs and so called influencers are full of it. Shawn Baker who started this carnivore community seems to be the only legit one. The rest imo have bs in them.
@@forextrader2464 Frank Tufano is also good but he’s paranoid and has bad customer service
His products and most of his advice are great tho
All influencers are salespeople. The question is, do they have integrity?
“You don’t feel heart disease till it comes knocking on your door” Is absolutely. High blood pressure can be unnoticed for a time but heart disease has many warning signs.
Funny how they never discuss the difference between type a and type b and discuss oxidation and what it comes from glycation
Every time an MD wants me to take a statin, I simply point to my coronary artery calcium score..which is zero.
Let me see... life long pain or potential heart disease 😂 I'll take my chances!
I'm one of those carnivores with sky high LDL. Even my doctor was chill about it when he understood what I'm doing. You have to view LDL levels in context. If I was eating a standard diet, it could be a warning signal. But on a super-high fat carnivore diet, is it normal.
My guy is on all types of PED’s and talking about health
Analogy for cholesterol. LDLs are like carts carrying rocks(fats). If the road is bumpy(inflammation), rocks will fall out and accumulate. If the road is smooth it doesnt matter if you increase the carts, because no rocks will fall out. Its better to have more carts on a smooth road, than less carts on a bumpy road
He should talk to Norwitz
Lane would rather rant to people that can’t talk back than exchange ideas with a true scientist like Nick Norwitz who is in a different class of science than Lane
Yep
Came for the comments and I am so proud of you guys!! 👏🏻🥩🖤
Guarantee this guy prescribes statins on the regular 🙄 🤣
Keep coping
He isn't a medical Dr..
He can’t prescribe, he’s not a medical doctor.
You’ve embarrassed yourself and invalidated your opinion. Bravo 👏
If he could though he definitely would ,big pharmas top kiddie!
Rhonda was GREAT in the Road Warrior as that little kid with the boomerang!
i want to see how LDL kills when most heart disease if from ppl who have "great" Cholesterol numbers.
The women's voice makes me want to have another beer!
Layne is chubby.
It's called LMHR
Lean mass hyper responder.
This goofball needs to read up on the science. The elevated LDL is a phenomena occurring with high levels of ketosis, since actual blood ketones (fat molecules) needs to feed the entire body with ketone energy, in the complete absence of glucose (not factoring in gluconeogenesis)
It's not unhealthy
Sure your ldl goes up.... but if you aren't gonna test the ldl don't assume it's bad.. there is 2 ldl types and the test is expensive . So don't just assume it's bad.
I don't need too...
Because there is not 1 carnivore advocate who made it past 85yo. They're all dead.
Point me a link of a carnivore influencer that's 90yo - 100yo. There are none.
Whilst there are lots of 100yo who are NOT on a carnivore diet.
all types of LDL are atherogenic
So seed oils, carbohydrates, sugars would be a better diet than a natural animal fat and protein diet? Please don't say vegan that's a joke... I do acknowledge that some veggies are good and I have a select few i eat as well as berries. I personally will take my chances and avoid statins at all costs. I'm sure somewhere the statin fairy will come in.. ( I say that because my brother is a doctor and he loves statins.) At the end of day do what you want, I personally will eat the way I do and physically compete with people half my age and feel good.
It's the ApoB on ldl that is bad. So all ldl, lp(a), vldl, and triglycerides contribute.
@@bobbyj731 I agree and understand that I think most people willing to think and research things would agree it's more complex than A and B. The problem is that people have been so trained to believe that if you eat and live this way you as a good as dead. We need to eat vegan or be morbidly obese and live on insulin and statins... it's sad really, people should understand that you dont have be keto, vegan or whatever just stop eating all the crap and eat a more natural way of eating, not that difficult really.
If you also have enough HDL, your LDL cholesterol can be high and you can still be perfectly healthy.
The role of HDL is to transport access LDL out of the blood stream and to the liver for disposal.
What matters is your HDL/ LDL ratio and a healthy functioning liver, and if your liver isn’t functioning properly you have other issues to deal with.
So you go on a diet that improves insulin function and you cut calories to lose 30-40-50 lbs by mobilizing stored lipids and using them as energy.
How do you think they're traveling around in the blood stream? LDL.
Start eating enough fat daily so you don't need to use stored fat and guess what happens to your LDL?? Yeah, it goes down.
They blame LDL because it transports cholesterol and they find crystalized cholesterol in the plaque formations. The problem is, LDL transports a cholesterol ester that can't crystalize. Meaning, that the cholesterol cannot be coming from LDL...
When fat adapted, high levels of LDL while dieting mean you are very effectively mobilizing and utilizing your stored energy and burning fat.
Lame can't see beyond the next corner. He's so entrenched in ancient dogma. LDL is vital to health as long as it's not oxidized. So his take is, "You're healthy until you're dead."
i like my steak medium👍👍
Just saying a bunch of non sense based on a bad study
Unfortunately Rhonda, you will be featuring publicly (this time) on my channel due to this. Womp womp.
Featuring what? Or you mean she'll be featured? If you have a channel I'd advise proofreading your comments, then you could avoid looking like a fool. Take care!
Go all Bart Kay on her!
if your LDL is high but your HDL is low it more than likely just means your body is high in "healthy" fats. Especially if you have a good HDL to Triglyceride ratio, don't sweat this video.
Lame Norton making his rounds again I see. 🤣
Yeah, most smart folk are lame as can be. I'm surprised he didn't mention some lifting record he hit to shit on carnivore haha
I find it funny that people try to debunk the carnivore diet while almost every one who has tried the diet has good results 👌💪