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Transgender treatment: Puberty blockers study under investigation - BBC Newsnight
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2019
- England's only NHS youth gender clinic lowered the age at which it offers children puberty blockers, partly based on a study now being investigated.
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The study's full findings have not been published - but early data showed some taking the drugs reported an increase in thoughts of suicide and self-harm.
The clinic said data was from a "small sample" and so no "meaningful conclusion" could be drawn from it.
Children as young as 11 are now being offered these hormone-blocking drugs.
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The fact that we don’t know the studied outcomes of long-term effects of this treatment, yet we willingly give it to very young children, is so concerning.
@Purple Mudkipz and what about them done right? not that long ago . and it is now shut down. it isn't a good idea
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@Purple Mudkipz purple, actually that's again not true. There will actually be more than bone loss. And it's not quite mental health. Not to mention longtime effects are not fully known not just the body , but the brain.
Children should not be potentially sterilizing themselves plenty of people are trying to detransition.
This can harm more than help.
It's almost a fad, some might even just really be gay.
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@Purple Mudkipz oh, mitigation is not prevented, because males are supposed to have a higher bone density. I avoid pseudoscience
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@Purple Mudkipz also investigation is in order, perhaps this was a case of kickback on meds etc. not just gay shame ua-cam.com/video/zTRnrp9pXHY/v-deo.html
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@Purple Mudkipz Sorry but you are wrong. you may like to make things up, but that's you not the rest of us. they are bot made for trans kids. 85 percent who don't get on them sort themselves out , the ones that take them ted to go the other way with cross hormones potentially causing permanent damage. do more research not just confirmation bias . Kids should also not be making these decisions without a full waning on what it can do to them . and they do not tell the parents any of the health risks
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37 staff resigned in 3 years. Clearly something going wrong there.
NHS bosses too woke to care
Worked in health for close to 40 years, much in mental health. I'm convinced if I have an average life expectancy - I've got about another 30 years (I hope!) - I will see many of the senior staff at the Tavistock struck off, their methods largely discredited and perhaps a few in prison. They will go the way of the prefrontal leucotomists (lobotomy) and the Electro-Convulsits; the former totally discredited the latter now confined to a tiny group of patients - and even there controversial. Psychiatry has suffered far too much from pseudo-science (e.g. psychoanalysis) since first recognized as a specialty in medicine just over 100 years ago. Everything I hear about this program seems to repeating the scandals of psychiatry's checkered past.
Science, Reason and Reality are our only hope. Those who seek to subvert any of the above, especially from within deserve no less than what you have outlined.
Go get 'em mate.
Psychiatry IS a pseudo-science!
Please speak up! People (and the politicians who are supporting this) tend to listen to health professionals more!
As someone who experienced psychiatric abuse as a child, I agree with you. Theories are presented as facts.
We in fact know a lot about Lupron, because it has other uses - and side effects are horrifying. It's like cutting off your child's hands to cure their nail biting. Not to mention stopping - or rather, distorting - super important process of puberty itself.
Preach
As and adult, at your own expense, do what you want.
Leave the kids out of it. Leave the taxpayer out of it.
???
*laughs in actual free health insurance*
@lies you Tell It is free. ;)
Agreed. This should not be a service that the NHS provides for free, overly skewing resources to a very small group af people. Never underestimate the 'fashion' effect of woke-ism on film and TV and almost everywhere on the internet.
I believe this to be egregious child abuse and further evidence of sinister, perhaps diabolical influence from transhumanist, paedophilic groups such as PIE back in the 90s and whatever Weinstein, Saville et al. have been operating. Certainly, it is people experimenting using children. I guess the boys from Brazil will have to be re-assigned?
@@kwiiin_ it comes out of your taxes, nothing is free
Leave the kids alone! Why are children suddenly getting the idea that they're the wrong gender? Who giving them these ideas? Kids should even be allowed to legally decide on this until they are of the LEGAL AGE OF 18. the human brain isnt fully developed until 25+. parents PROTECT YOUR DAMN CHILDREN!
They're "suddenly" getting the idea that they're the wrong gender because of 2 things:
- It's becoming less frowned upon to be transgender, so more people can live how it makes them happy without fear of discrimination.
- Better awareness is allowing people to realise what they've been feeling isn't normal and negatively affects them.
No one is "giving" them this idea. For some people, their mind and body just don't match.
No one is forcing this on kids either. They're the ones who have to go to their parents and tell them that they're trans, which is a hard decision for them to make and they don't take it lightly. They've found themselves that they're fundamentally happier as a different gender.
I feel so happier when I am a different animal
Imagine you had anorexia and that therapists affirmed your belief that your were fat and then surgeons offered you gastric surgery.
Exactly.
Imagine that you had paranoid schitzophrrenia then having psychologists affirming the delusions that people trying to get you and offering you a lobotomy as a cure.
That's the same as "gender affirmation" and the unethical chemical and physical mutilation surgery on a body dismorphic person.
these drugs are chemo drugs, all chemo holds toxins, these drugs are usually injected, meaning the toxins can reach your brain easily, this is one of the reasons for "chemo brain" aka chemical alzheimers and dementia, also lack of hormones causes the body to decay, no literally look up "atrophy"
That's right. With anorexia, the therapists all know the problem is with the person's thoughts and feelings; with gender dysphoria, most of them are indoctrinated by the trans lobbyists into believing the person's feelings are more real than their physical condition. And there are more comparisons to be made here - anorexia is almost certainly transmitted by social contagion, where particularly young sufferers in "support" groups, instead of sharing their experiences as problems, sometimes present them as positives, as tips to get away with not eating, fooling the controlling adults, and end up competing for the worst-case spot, and egg each other on. The same is true of other types of self-harm. It is becoming clear that gender issues in children is spreading by social contagion too, particularly in groups of young girls, where girls in the same school class present as trans at much higher rates than would be expected by chance. But instead of the adults having the brakes on, the trans lobby has persuaded the adults of the mythical internal gender, and standing up against that trend risks accusations of being transphobic, cancellation, or in some cases death threats.
@@lettersquash I agree.
Future generations will look back on this mutilation of kids with shame and disgust.
Hopefully we can hold these monsters accountable soon.
Anyone seen the documentary called "the boy who was turned into a girl"
The physical change was done when he was just a baby and they used hormones to grow him girly features aswell, and he had no idea he had been made into a girl.
In his teens he was confused and thought he was gay.. and when he found out he changed back, but that effect it left in his life ended up making him to commit suicide.
Milly KKitty ok boomer
@@calliepiercy2171 you seen the document tho?
It was pretty interesting
@@MillyKKitty Justin doesn't give a shit. I'm a millennial too, just one of a more mature variety than the 'OK boomer' non-thinkers
@@Catlady5385 "gender identity was male"
What a load of bullshit. Biology is neutral and objective. It is not an "identity". There is no such thing as a male or female identity, for fucks sake. Gender is a social construct - a set of ideas that are culturally imposed on each of us in alignment with our biological sex. Feminists have been working for generations to liberate us from these cultural tropes. You come along and say the tropes are real, identity is real and biology is essentialism.
No wonder your regressive ideologues hate feminism. It's undoing all the work and rights feminism has earned us and you're attempting to destroy this through ideological claptrap that spouts biology is just an identity.
I know that story very well.
Greatest medical scandal of our lifetime
@Purple Mudkipz no, it's not.
@Purple Mudkipz
maybe if you provide yourself with some more information inc maybe through a screen that allows you to watch this - ua-cam.com/video/5E7QtK0Qlek/v-deo.html .. you will be in a better position to judge..
@Purple Mudkipz learn to spell.
hard to believe that Jimmy Savile being let loose in hospitals is being put in the shade by this much craziness..
John Money printing money out of "willing" customers
Difficult issue as it cannot be predicted which child will have their gender dysphoria dissolved (desisting) and those that don't (persisting). in the UK and other western countries, these clinics have to be more careful with PB as, b/c of the influence of TG movement and its demand for affirmation only, risks many children's outcome to desisting. More than ever.
I agree for sure, but I also understand the benefits of hormone blockers before puberty. They are massive.
@@elliemay1748 What fucking benefits can come from arresting natural child development?
I bet you see Dr. Frankenstein as the hero AND the victim!
@@elliemay1748 This has always been a difficult issue since treatment with blockers started. It is important that therapists that treat GD children are only basing it in science and do extensive 'vetting'. A Dutch study found almost all child persisters are homosexual, so we need to understand why that is as well. I see so many detransitioners today and it is clear something is going very wrong here.
Thank you so much for pointing out this COULD (as in is likely) be the case. Ppl just want to say we hate trans ppl
@@leafleafleaf9272 they do like to say that. In fact, I get hated on and blocked by TG activists when I talk about the Dutch gender clinic's treatment and approach of dysphoria that is most science based and ethical. How can we be transphobic when we don't reject people with gender dysphoria and want the best treatment for each individual? Irrational movement, really.
As a kid and teen you always "feel" Odd wtf
Exactly, those who experience it are the only ones who truly know.
Odd ? More then odd it's like being in the wrong body and having to see it become even worse every day
These are the kind of people who "disprove" that I'm trans
Its advertised to underage kids as snakeoil/miracle fixitall for periods.
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@@wuttheactual6323 You are probably the same kind of person also who thinks young adults still using bounce houses is okay too
Biology comes before feelings. We should seek to fix these feelings rather than turning society on it's head for the sake a tiny percentage of people.
It's not feelings. It is identity and gender dysphoria which needs treatment and intervention.
Dude Thes are millions of people we can’t just ignore them and besids not everyone wants to have kids also thes are not feelings
@@peaceandtolerance557 Yet Stonewall are moving away from gender dysphoria and now claim to represent the "gender non-conforming" - people are who they say they are based on feelings.
if you don't understand something, don't talk about it.
You cannot "fix" my feeling about who I am without, in essence, killing the person i am and replacing me with someone else.
I don't want to be fixed, i don't need to be fixed, and quite frankly I'd rather die than be "cured" of myself. I like me. I don't want to be anyone else.
This generation's natural insecurities & emerging drives are rendering them guineapigs for science. Just been listening to a detransitioned girl talking about how she & a lot of lgbt dysphoric teens get involved in the kink/S&M scene - which sounds absolutely full of older preditory men.
Sunny Bunny jesus christ how retarded is everyone in the comment system?
what is this bullshit anecdote supposed to prove ?
It would appear you hit a few nerves with this comment
@@brittanydawn2633 Yea I pity them, they are pretty blind to any hint of their supporters maybe being 'a tad' abusive. The level of 'The Man' ie corporate & government backing of transgenderism doesn't seem to provoke any questions in them either. It's becoming more & more clear that the lgbtq collective are being used politically now too.
this comment doesn't prove or add anything lol.
also hardly any trans people detransition
Why they would give teens and pre teens this drug is beyond me. At 12 your bloody anxious about how you tie your shoes, because you want to fit in. I remember desperately wanting a facial piercing. And thank god needed parents permission. Kids do things to make themselves feel less anxious about everything all the time. Doesn't mean we should just let them do those things, especially when the consequences are higher than a mountain. For the Rest of their life
Something u dont under stand is theres a difference between trying to fit in and having gender dysphoria and puberty blockers dont effect u long term but testosterone does but u have to be 15 or 16 and older which is when u can start making decisions for ur self
And by the way I mean puberty blockers ain't as life altering as testosterone so I would rather have a kid use blocker that testosterone
@@leviwilliams7163 They absolutely do. Children who were given Lupron for precocious puberty ended up later in life with osteoporosis, weak bones, crashing teeth, one woman's jaw fell, Lupron's parent company was sued and had to pay giant sum, but for them it's like peanuts. Hell, we have one famous patient who was on PB for trans reasons, Jazz Jennings, and they ended up with micro penis and no real sexual function. Basically an eunuch. If Jazz changed their mind at this point, fat lot of good it would do them. But of course to get used to your real gender, you need to at least try to live as it - which a person without real puberty will never have a chance to experience.
@@leviwilliams7163 lets not make kids lab rats
@@leviwilliams7163 we don't allow 15 16 year olds to drive work give consent to sex. So why in god name what should we allow them to pick their own genders willy-nilly
I think the majority of people feel distressed during puberty with how their body changes... and hair.
Amen to that, when did the time around puberty not suck
And men starting to look at you, an 11year old girl, because you start getting breasts.
The objectification back then disgusts me.
Yup. Only it wasn't medicalising and monetised for most of us. Now people are making money from stunting child development
No, that’s not how gender dysphoria works.
@@robbytherobinson6654 its exactly how it works
"trapped in the *wrong* body - that your biological sex is at odds with what gender you feel"
if that is the case - you simply need to understand that "gender is ultimately no more than a social construct - and you can play any role you wish in society regardless of your biology..
problem is society's assumption that "gender" is real - not that biology is in conflict with that too readily imagined thing..
@@jamesyboy4626
so - you have nothing logical or coherent to contribute then ??
I'm sorry, I'm not clear on whether you're for or against here - it's quite possible we agree. Could you clarify?
@@kadimah1
i thought that i had made myself as clear as i needed to.. but i will try to spell things out a bit more:
while the biology of sex is usually entirely binary and immutable, that is no reason to assume that any individual needs to allow their sex to dictate what role they feel comfortable with or how they wish to express that. thus if a boy or a man wishes to wear a dress or have his hair in curls - that should be fine.. and equally there should be no reason why a girl or a woman should not live out aspects of herself usually associated with male stereotypes..
none of that should in any way necessitate any consideration of "gender" or anyone going out of their way to label themselves as a "man" or a "woman", let alone cutting their body about in order that their anatomy measures up the sex that it has previously been assumed corresponds to a "gender" or role in society..
@@andipandi5641 They may have poorly worded what gender dysphoria is. Gender dysphoria is not specifically related to gender roles. It occurs when the physical body; the primary and secondary characteristics that signal to other people what your gender is, do not align with what they expect. It's not that trans women want to dress as women, they want to physically be women.
@@Cobra0798
you seem to be using the word "gender" again - in a way that confuses the term with sex..
AGAIN - "gender" is a social construct - a set of self-perpetuating social conventions and norms - essentially nothing more than an idea in a person's head..
you will need to either explain how your definition of "gender" differs from mine.. and/or how the feck a person's body can fail to align with any of that .. cos to me that sounds like a sexist theology that went out of date just before the "trans" doctrine came in..
what does "crystalize gender identity" even mean? i always thought identity was a matter of psychollogical _developement_, formed by experiencing and understanding one self and/in the world.
The world is pretty shit for girls, though. It's naive to think that's irrelevant.
It can be shitty in any sex really. If you a boy, but for whatever reason, that’s really distressing for you, you need some kind of treatment. But ppl won’t let us question the treatment method
@@leafleafleaf9272 it's a strange logic of "you can question your biology" but "don't question that person's sanity".
It would be like allowing severely unqualified people lead us... Oh wait.
Jokes aside, when a large number of teenage cases of body and sexual dismorphia outgrow the mental state, why is there such a strong push for irreversible or damaging surgery and treatments?
At the onset she says "a growing number of young people are trans" Why a growing number??
Because less stigma is surrounding it, so people don't have to hide and more can be properly diagnosed. It's like left handedness, we stopped seeing it as a mark of the devil and beating it out of people in schools and suddenly more people became left handed, because it was easier for them to be who they actually were.
Absolutely ridiculous.
What is?
That very same clinic WAS JUST SHUT DOWN!!!!!
Big money in these clinics. These clinics need to make money somehow.
You do understand that the NHS is a public service, don't you?
Or the fact that you have to pay to be treated in America has led you to believe every country has such an idiotic healthcare system?
@@Sebastian_Terrazas The money is coming FROM the NHS TO big pharma, supported by political pressure groups like Mermaids
It’s the opposite. The Tavistock is notorious for overworking staff and not providing adequate therapy for patients. It’s chronicly underfunded, and that’s why so many people are given inadequate care.
Isn’t that a general nhs worker thing? The Tavistock is notorious for allegations of child abuse answers well
that does not help - but i think that like with most atrocities - the most powerful driving forces are some wilful stupidity, cowardly sheepishness and politics using emotive platitudes to over-ride too many people's ability to think straight ..
What's going on in the world where people's gender is all of a sudden seems to be an 8year olds worry, let these kids grow up, stop mucking around with their anatomy
Trans people have an extremely tough existence and are predisposed to suicidality and self harm; this would tend to emerge (increase in the group) as these individuals progress through traumatic teenage years even if they received “ideal” treatment (whatever that might be). The critical issue is whether the outcomes (mental health and wellbeing) are statistically significantly better with the treatment protocol, worse, or neither. This can’t be determined without a control group.
That’s really the only issue here; that this data on outcomes for patients on this protocol is wasted, because there’s nothing to compare it to.
It may be uncomfortable to consider that these children are on an experimental treatment protocol for which there is limited evidence with respect to outcomes, but that’s the nature of clinical trials, without which we’d never find treatments or work out what “the right” thing to do is. Meanwhile sky-high suicide rates of trans people, and gender-questioning teens, mean that gender dysphoria is very often deadly; in this context, often to “do nothing” is to do harm. I’m sure it often feels like a no-win scenario for clinicians as well as deeply traumatic for the patients themselves and their families. Giving these and future generations of trans and gender-questioning people the best chance at healthy lives is contingent on developing the evidence-base for how best to treat and support them, by doing the science properly. Not botching it.
Why not become a eunuch.
@@consgay3801 lets not forget that iasue of sterilization. We are literally destroying the childrens reproductive organs.
True, it turns out that suicidality remains at about 40% regardless of surgery. The biggest predictor for someone to become trans is a major depressive disorder. None of the overwhelming emphasis put on not misgendering trans people is put on not misgendering non-trans who are misdiagnosed trans, or on regret of people who thought they wanted the operation but actually didn't.
Trans is extremely rare but seems to be getting usurped by a political ideology intent on using it as a emotional political weapon, and has little interest in trans people at all - all about illegalising language, forcing weird language, firing people who won't yield, ruining womens sports and giving men the legal right to go into womens toilets and changing rooms if they state they are female... none of these seem like it really help actual trans people and would reasonably make many people resentful.
Yea. Having a control group in this context would mean be denying a dysphoric teen a thing to make them feel less dysphoric. Now THAT seems unethical.
@@msgdGhosty So... assume the conclusion of your experiment in order to justifying not applying scientific rigor to the method of your experiment... sounds completely meaningful. Why not just write the results while you're there too?
I notice that none of you care about the ethics of 'accidentally' transitioning children who mistakenly think or are pressured into saying they are Trans. You care is always one way.
Thank you for inviting me to be part of this story! :D
@@Snaoe: wanker
@@ptesweats8940 I'd rather be labelled a "wanker" than be accused of encouraging and enabling mass child abuse.
Are you an abuser, or just a cheerleader for child abusers?
@@AlanWattResistance omg shut up tho???
I like how there's so many people that know more than medical professionals.
So many armchair doctors who think they know how to treat Gender Dysphoria better than medical professionals and that it's the result of 'left wing propaganda'.
Hannah ... You're fantastic and beautiful.
Your parents should be in prison.
There will be a lot more children who are confused about their gender after the No Outsiders programme is in all schools
What is the no outsider program?
Aurel * negative
@@Aurora146 no trans isn't really biological.
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@@damiannightwalker8461 And yes I use yahoo, I prefer the style, and structure.
@@jackshapiro4668 ?
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How can you feel like a gender you are not?. What does another gender feel like?. Aside gender stereotypes?
It shocks me so many parents find it better for their kids to „be trans“ rather than be gay. Homophobia is still a thing, sadly.
I’m homophobic. Lol
@@notxams2793 you reveal So Much with your words
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@S Y We are brothers
Me too...!!! Lol 🏳️🌈 🇬🇧 💪
Puberty blockers is 100% child abuse
How these drugs haven’t been banned is beyond me. They permanently mess kids up. They’re STOP buttons, not pause buttons.
It's a growing problem because children are being given the idea that it is possible.
Let kids be kids
00:28 *CORRECTION*
'It can be startED at a very young age'
@@hiccup1001 He is incorrectly assuming that kids are "forced" into gender dysphoria.
Robert McCallen its not, parents are the sick bastards that force them into that when they have not enough criteria to ever drive a fucking car
@@mateoandrade3742 k bud have you *met* a trans kid? my mom NEVER forced me into being trans. you can ask ANY trans person:/
@@lievdotpng Ok, groomer kid
Why the annoying, discordant 'music' overlay? This was difficult for me to sit through.
I would recommend it to people I know, but I doubt they will tolerate the noise.
makes PEDs seem like trivial to worry about regulating let alone banning across the board,
International evidence which will provide cultural noise in the data thereby further diluting the study's efficacy.
Have Newsnight or the reporter followed this story up? I'd like to see that.
Let us now if you have a video.
Why can’t children be children!! Like okay yes some kids have gender issues but the rest don’t!! Best thing to do is to wait till 16-18 so a more accurate decision can be made
As bad as this is in England, it's much worse in America.
Canada even worse still
This reminds me of when the lobotomy was praised. The treatment seems so barbaric. Seems like it would alter the body in a negative way.
What a sick society
Thank god Hannah Barnes has taken the time and courage to write her book and raise more awareness of the harm being done to children
Gays don’t outgrow out of being gay, but seeing how a majority of trans people out grow it by 26 this is terrible. They are really trying to equate the two since they are in lgbtq acronym, but you have to take them separately.
I disagree as I was gay and then I turned back to straight and I’ve rejected a gay
William Moore I’ve heard of people thinking they were gay, but actually were bisexual and they could concentrate on the part of their bisexual nature that makes them straight, but it doesn’t appear it’s a choice, just working with what you were one with, now for women it’s kind enough different since they are more emotionally based, if they meet the right man or the right woman it doesn’t matter if they are gay.
Ummm some gay people are straight now?????
Hannah!
idiot
This is inhuman, utterly inhuman.
The High Court said "the end".
Incidentally, are there any plans to allow adults to carry out tattoo procedures on children?
Ear piercing, circumcision, and braces are all allowed on children with permanent effect. Tattooing and other body modification is common in many parts of the world as well. Vaccinations, religious upbringing, sports all affect children's whole lives. Even things like choices in school have permanent lasting effects. It's impossible to wait for adulthood. Some decisions have to be made that affect children.
@@goldenalt3166 Gosh, I wasn't expecting a response to my comment after such a long time!
I suppose this issue is no longer a matter for debate in most of Britain and Ireland (still some lack of clarity regarding Scotland) given that trans gender related puberty/hormone blocker treatments aren't available any more and previous treatments of this nature may soon become subject to a class action lawsuit.
You raise an interesting comparison regarding circumcision: many people regard that procedure, whether practised on little girls or little boys, as genital mutilation and I have to say, I tend to agree with them.
On the subject of tattoos, piercings, braces and vaccinations, it's probably better to stick to comparisons with similarly advanced/developed health and legal jurisdictions around the world although it's ironic that countries where body modifications (whether tattoos or perhaps subcutaneous markings typically denoting an age-related life stage transition) may be still carried out on children are probably the least likely to have health systems sufficiently developed to be able to include trans gender treatments for children.
@@keyboarddancers7751 The problem with puberty blockers specifically is that they can only be tested on children.
@@goldenalt3166 Well, they can't be tested on children in Britain so it's not really a problem, is it.
@@keyboarddancers7751 Sounds like a problem if you still have child suicide as a result.
20 time more, 2000% increase and "the reasons are unclear" ? How about social contagion. Trending, celebrating, pushing...always and only affirming.
I wish someone would have asked these trans kids if they are prepared to use a walker when they are in their 50s due to osteoporosis. They would be clueless cause doctors and psychologists never mentioned this to them.
World is going down hill
Parents have to make decisions about the healthcare their kids need. Doctors have to study these conditions to learn how to help their patients. It is a difficult task. There are no easy answers.
Primum non nocere is always a good start.
I feel like it's important to state that not all trans people realise they are trans at a young age. I realised at 14 meaning puberty had already taken it's affects.
Same happened to me I realize when I was 13 during the puberty
Hi! Sorry I’m a bit late to this video.
I was wondering if you mind answering so questions on trans? As I’m trying to understand why people come to the conclusion that they are trans and no one seems to want to give me answer.
This has lead (from what information I have try to gather) to come to the conclusion that whilst I still; on a one to one bases, have no problem with Trans people. Some of the things many of it’s activists strive for I’m in complete opposition too. Puberty blockers for example.
Hope your interested, if not I wish you all the best!
thomas menezes I’d love to answer, I simply don’t understand fully what you are trying to say.
nataliexdormer thanks for replying, I suppose basically I what to know what define a man and a woman that allows someone to transition between them.
For example when does a man become a trans woman and not just a feminine man.
Hope that makes sense.
Tonya Antony I’m almost 18. I know who I am, I’ve known for 4 years, and I don’t care about your transphobic bullshit. Gender identity and sexuality are separate. You also assume that I want a child.
What happened to this study? It didn’t give the right result?
The crazy thing is, once someone goes through puberty, most of the time gender dysphoria goes away. But people aren't even allowing their kids to go through puberty.
No it doesn't. In childhood most children with gender issues grow out of it, but if it persist in your teens you'll most likely have it through out your life.
Gender dysphoria doesn't go away. If it goes away it wasn't gender dysphoria 😂
@@hilacohennnn studies show that it does go away once a child hits puberty. Lol the definition of Gender dysphoria is not that it lasts forever. lol but funny comment nonetheless.
@@indiego8253 lol in childhood… like you said in your comment it does go away. So let your young “trans” kids go through puberty before giving them puberty blockers and other shit that messes with their chemistry
@@Insulindependantfati gender dysphoria does last forever. In fact, many actual trans people say that even after getting surgeries it doesn’t go away, but you can actually live in your body. I doubt you actually ever felt dysphoria or had been diagnosed with it
I hope the children given these hormones know they will not enjoy intimacy and can't have children.
Nonsense. I can enjoy intimacy far more now I'm not disgusted with my body. The first time in my life I realised what it felt like to feel good about myself was after I had a double mastectomy and phalloplasty. My partner & I love and understand each other and are finally at ease with our bodies and can get on with our lives being productive citizens.
Barbaric!. sex, tattoo's, alcohol, would you give it to your kids? even if they really said they needed this, being a child is confusing, some question their identity as i did when i was little, but with time and proper mental health care, i was able to find out who i was, there should be more emphasis on psychological care of these children, and preparing them for the world into adult hood, chemically changing them without this care, at their will is inhumane and fundamentally wrong.
😲 What The Actual FK!!! 😲
😳 What have I just watched?!?! 😳
I've no idea what's happening here! 🙄
human race within the western world is becoming increasingly divorced both from reality and nature in a crazily self-perpetuating way - which makes huge money for big pharma while those being most f**ked up think that they are being done a favour..
Marxists swept through academia and control majority of media - so they've kept what is going on very hidden.
IT's pretty incredible.
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"Marxists swept through academia and control majority of media"
i don't know if you were to fully define your terms - they would make sense or not or bear any relation to reality.. but none the less - i am very curious to know exactly what you mean when you apply the word "marxist" ??
@@frankzappaspussy7362 Cultural Marxists. Marxism applied to victim causes. Look it up.
@@furqueue9590 stop calling it cultural marxism when this is a product of extreme liberal thinking and neoliberal ideology and economy. Know your enemy!
Child abuse.
Ones again HOW!!?
@@RuthlessDestroyer You are stopping something natural, you will get smarter, your body will change, with puberty blockers it won't happen when it should happen. it isn't healthy
@@ztomoe But did you ask for this something natural to happen? No. Also this is false. As puberty blockers stop male puberty and then you start hormone replacement therapy. Which is puberty but the opposite gender puberty. So you are going through it.
@@artgamer431 Child abuse.
@@matthewlaverty202No. The child chooses themselves to transition. Will you be the one paying for my laser hair removal for my beard? Will you be the one who will pay for my vocal surgery? Will you be the one paying for my Adam’s Apple removal surgery? Exactly, you are not. So mind your own business if you are not trans. It’s up to us to decide. I knew I was trans since 5, I’m now 15 turning 16 and still trans and want to start puberty blockers.
TAVISTOCK ?
In many cases transing of children is intensely related to homophobia and often caused by barriers children deemed "different" face to inclusion by both sexes. Some prefer a trans child over a child that may (or may not) later in puberty become gay or lesbian. As example, in Pakistan and Iran transsexuality has achieved legal recognition, whereas gays are legally punished by death or prison sentences. We are an interconnected world, so these ideas take hold worldwide. Another idea that takes hold is the idea you are who you want to be at any point in time, and not you are who you are and build your life from there. This seems to be particularly popular in the United States and is intertwined with creating business ideas and financial profit out of any topic (some gender clinicians, non-objective psychologists, people politicizing complex and often personal topics etc.). Transgender people naturally deserve respect like anyone else. That does not contradict that when it comes to children/teenagers (who are still in development) we must take caution.
Where are the trans kids for whom puberty blockers were literally life saving? There literally everywhere, but they don't have a platform.
I find it sick that kids are now forced into the wrong body, having the trauma of puberty..and then having the trauma of long grueling surgery at adulthood.
We are taking something so caring and making it so traumatic!
All puberty is a nightmare
Kids want ice cream all the time, candy all the time, does that mean we should always give it to them?
I did not had the opportunity to get puberty blockers since I was 12, when I needed it. I almost killed myself because I could not stand my irreversible voice and body masculinization by puberty!!! Puberty blockers are life-saving medicine!!! But on selected really transsexual children. Not on some like this young person in this video.
Would you have traded orgasming and fertility for it?
@@Lorvina1 You dont understand. My LIFE was extremely endangered. I was absolutely unacceptable abased by ignorance of healthcare providers and every other person on this planet. I think every day about this teenage years, and have so much fears about this. I suffer under post traumatic distress disorder only because of the unwanted male puberty!!! If you realize that it is about LIFE, you will not think about fertility of this person. Of course it is wery important question, but the life of this particular person is absolutely much more important. About orgasming, I think it is not true that transsexual people who have had the puberty blocker therapy have difficulties with orgasming. I have absolutely no difficulties with orgasming. It is about correct hormonal therapy with estradiol, progesterone and testosterone should also be in normal female range, some extremely small dosage may be indicated for many transgender girls and women. I think that some of transgender girls and women do not have good hormone levels.
Not according to what I've been finding out. Pretty clear that they cause more harm than good, & the risks aren't worth it. Glad you didn't die, but you don't know if pbs would've made it better or worse. More likely worse, is how it looks to me.
@@matthewatwood8641 Then you just don't know how important for me would be to have a real female voice. I have so much psychological problems because of male voice I got due unwanted male puberty. I have Addams apple which makes me very sad as often. Many guys and girls bullied me because of male voice and Addams apple to. Many guys rejected to have se*ual relationship with me, as they say, only because of my male voice and Addams apple. So my se#ual life is destroyed only because of unwanted male puberty, and I knew that even back then when I was 12. I knew that it would be like that. It is sad that you don't understand this, but this makes you bad scientist. I vas my whole teenage years into social and psychological vacuum, because I didn't have had a female body and social Identity what I have needed to express myself to socialize myself properly and develop my personality. I only had neverending suffer. There is plenty of girls that have got puberty blockers, and they're doing well.
Much love
WTF
I tried to kill myself a lot before I started taking HRT, HRT has made me feel a lot better in myself and my suicidal thoughts based on my self being has dropped to basically nothing and now any thoughts that come around are from how family treats me. I had nothing growing up that could possibly convince me that this Trans thing is at all a trend. I was NOT persuaded by anyone or anything to be myself, I have always felt this way since birth.
Considering Trans, or non-binary a "trend" is very condescending by those who are unable to properly and intelligently organize their thoughts on the subject. What we can see is that we have a ways to go as a civilization in understanding all the nuanced aspects of this subjects. It's getting better, but the process is slow to show proper results and that's not always easy to accept for a lot of people in very real mental distress. That said I also understand where the ethical dilemma is. I would never suggest that a person did not know themselves or what they wanted in regard to this, but I would say being allowed to properly explore those options to come to their own decisions over time is important without causing irreversible outcomes.
Gender identity is defined at 2-3 years old, not at birth, LOL
@@esval3054 you know what they meant but you chose to be a di k instead.
Is this a joke!?
No
Leave kids alone smfh
just a thought...but could the continuation to hormone therapy be because...all of these kids knew they wanted to transition? like that might...be the common denominator.
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Bbc is becoming filthy gutters....
becoming?
They protected Saville for DECADES
pea-dough-files belong in prison.
okay idk if anyones gonna read this but before you guys have a gut reaction think about the fact that the vast majority of doctors in this area are in favour of it.
This is not true. An increasing number of professionals are starting to speak out against it.
@@aidansevern3134 well there's a massive consensus on it still. If you think there's an anti scientific conspiracy at the centre of this you would have to prove that if you don't want to be called crazy. It's literally been like one guy who raised concerns abt one report
@@aidansevern3134 What about the number of staff who walked out of their jobs at Tavistock after raising concerns?
It brings in more than 100k so? Most have dysphoria cause puberty so..
The patient was "willing" child that wanted to be a girl so..
A very good analysis of a very complicated issue. Bravo BBC.
Look what surgeons did to intersex people just a decade ago..... it is also society has to change too to engage more with supporting more creative thought into when sex is thought of as fluid. Not just being male female and nothing in between.
It's best to see a psychiatrist for a mental problem until they get mentality developed for decision making to deal with it from there without regret! The point a kid being a "Sissy" getting old now going to be a "daddy" but has Impotence from a side effect of the blockers taken! Regret! Can they deal with the changeover? Also what is the age of consent tor a trans to do damage to their selves? Statutory Trans laws needed?
i wish i knew theres a thing called hormone blocker before i hit puberty
Same but now they banned it :(
@@mermaidmimsy its a child abuse
@@Density9 No, its not because one the child needs it to live, two it removes anxiety and depression or at least lowers it. three it stops suicide for most and four child abuse would be to prevent self expression. Your opinion is noted and ignored.
@@mermaidmimsy Well, then, why did evidence come up on the programme that it actually increases suicidal thoughts and self-harm.
@@tetrahedron1000 It does not increase suicidal thoughts. They might of been on anti depressants now those can cause suicidal thoughts.
IMO if I was a dysphoric teen and the option of either:
1. Get blockers and face potential but unlikely side effects and as a result not feel as dysphoric but also know that if my feelings where displaced I could go off them and start my normal biological puberty like nothing has happened?
OR
2. Go through the puberty of my birth-assigned gender and have my dysphoria got through the roof and ACTUALLY HAVE irreversible traits that cannot be changed by hormones like bone structure (this mostly only refers to male to female) and more than likely be depressed as all hell and face a significantly higher risk of self harm or suicide?
I think I would pick option 1 but IDK about you.
That's why we have psychiatrists who understand the significance of clinical trials to stop you making such reckless decisions in lieu of any tangible longitudinal research.
That's not the reality of dysphoria or how these drugs work. Not even close.
They need me mental care
what they need is therapy, not cosmetic surgery, puberty blockers, and hormones.
People should be allowed to be straight,gay,trans and ect. Without anyone trashing on them
sure and no one should drug kids who are confused and uneducated. agreed?
Who's saying people shouldn't be allowed to be gay, trans or whatever? Nobody with any importance.
Giving kids drugs that'll fuck up their whole lives is normal though?
I want to be a dog, going to have my first surgery tonight! Making my skin turn into fur!!
Interesting
This ominous music should give you an idea on media bias against trans people.
are 'young people'... children
Where is Obama
Lol all the right wingers are going crazy in the comments.
I'm leftwing and I oppose transgender ideology and agenda.
Still a right winger
No, transgender ideology has nothing to do with economic theory. But is very much loved by capitalists.
It is in fact supported by many right wing politicians and governments.
I live in the uk where the right wing goverments supports trans ideology. You will never see these crazy ideas spreading in socialist countries!
You think the right wing governments support transgender people. You are so fucking dumb. The toris mostly vote against the reform of the gender recognition act. On top of that it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t fit into economics it’s still a reactionary talking point. You obviously are incapable of having this discussion
@@UnknownUnknown-fl3yx Moron
Arrest any parent for child abuse if they give their kids puberty blockers !!
Based law
BBC take a hint... look at the likes/dislikes. We are bored of your liberal agenda. I expect you will close this comments section soon.
Liberal agenda? The programme was questioning the treatment.
@@tetrahedron1000 yes and we are giving drugs with unknown side effects to kids, man i did'nt know i needed to treat my kids like lab rats
Im upset with the court ruling that people under 16 cant have the blocker, I fight very hard at that age and earlier just to make someone hear me and some ass hat has just made it even harder, I mean sure the doctor didn’t ever listen to me tbh but we need to help trans people earlier on, problem is media puts its focus on detransitioners, i think more studys are needed yes but if i was able to have transitioned earlier my life would be way better
All the people arguing saying its bad don't realise that the effects are safer and more positive the earlier you transition.
@@mermaidmimsy Until you change your mind and realize what a mistake you have made lol
@@matthewlaverty202 very few trans folk regret transitioning, in fact they are usually way happier.
@@mermaidmimsy one who regrets it is enough and it is pretty much irreversible, and there are more than 1 who seem to regret. That's why its better for them to decide when they are older. Everyone has a tough time going through puberty, everyone has different things that are hard to go through in any time of their life. But allowing children to make such life changing decision without knowing the long term effects, and when their brains are still developing, is tbh, child abuse. We don't let little kids drink, drive, work, be in war etc at an early age as a way to protect them, yet we allow them to change their body, injecting drugs into their bodies so "their mind matches their body" knowing there will be long term impacts to their health? This sounds completely irresponsible.
How can you be sure that your life would have been better?
Journalism.
no longer exists
Letting children take puberty blockers is not child abuse. If the child is under distress from their gender and want to take it, then let them take it! I’m 14 and starting puberty blockers soon, so be it.
Because you can cause unknown damage. We know that when you start puberty blockers you set your life on a path of permanent gender dysphoria and a 40% suicide rate. You're too young to get a tattoo, this is 1000x more dangerous than a tattoo. Learn to love your real body, its by far the best solution.
Every person freaks out at puberty, i promise
Electric Blue Well, my life is going to be set on a path of permanent gender dysphoria without puberty blockers. Hell, my life is already set on that path. If anything, puberty blockers will help it. I can’t just magically love my body.
@@unpocolocokid7036 you're 14, give it a few years. Blockers literally just drag it out longer
Letting children do anything permanent to their bodies and make decisions that could affect them in unknown long-term ways are usually illegal. That's why people have a huge problem with this. It's similar to saying that you should be allowed to have a tattoo, become an alcoholic or move in with a 60 year old man all because you feel 'distressed'.
let’s replace therapy with medication
Well these adults just have to ask are they doing the same thing they felt like doing at 16? Plus the constant propaganda from you might be the reason for increase
He will never be an Hannah, that's for sure.
TRANS RIGHTS!!!
@@furqueue9590 Depends where you're talking about but in general:
1. The right to feel safe in gendered spaces
2. The right to feel safe from harassment and violence
3. The right to exists in countries were being gay is illegal nevermind being trans
4. The right to not be murdered by someone using the "trans panic" defense.
5. The right to have their gender recognise it not have to undergo sterilisation to legally change it.
6. The right to be protected from discrimination in the workplace or in housing as it in some places in the US.
7. As is the theme of the video, the right to have access to blockers, hormones or anything else to make them feel less dysphoric.
If you want your child to have a better transition put them on blockers until they are ready for hormones. That's why kids go on blockers first to avoid situations where they end up de-transitioning. Also you can't get surgery till you're 18 so the argument about kids getting irreversible surgery is invalid. Also a control group in this study would basically be denying trans kids the right to block the puberty of the sex they do not want to be. Now THAT seems unethical. Also trans kids being suicidal or self harming? Transgender people have the highest rates of suicide
"Why did all the kids move to cross hormone treatment?" ITS BECAUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME ON THE NHS YOU ALLOWED BLOCKERS TO U16S TO AN AGE THEIR MOST EFFECTIVE TO A BUNCH OF KIDS THAT ARE DYSPHORIC WTF DID YOU THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN!?
Y'all seem to think that blockers are just a limbo period where you actually work out if you want to transition but if you are prepubescent and you want the best transition possible blockers are a part of that and some people fail to fucking consider that. Why do people act like these things just came out of nowhere?
AND FINALLY...FUCK BORIS!
No thanks
Hell yeah trans rights
How about children's right by not injecting life changing blockers and destroying the reproductive organ that they might later find useful? Let alone all the side effects and long term health issues
@@msgdGhosty Who is paying you to say all this?
No magical pill and surgery can make you something you are not and if that's what you are hoping for must be a rude awakening
that's why they still are committing suicide. because they know they will never get what they want. It's literally impossible.
BBC is spinning there progressive propaganda for a very tiny amounts of people. The BBC is now a far left progressive media channel and has been for decades
Maybe they just support trans folks
I think you need to be more alarmed at your poor grammar and spelling.
@@charlesthomas9960 i think you need to be more alarmed at your poor argument and character.
What do you mean? This report is all about questioning the science around puberty blockers. It's hardly pro-trans in the "fare left progressive" sense.
If the BBC is the left then how can it be fare? To be fare the BBC would have to have diversity of opinions from the left and the conservative right which it doesn't have.The mainstream media establishment are all left leaning liberals.
Antichrist is among us.
among us😳😳like sussy imposter among us😱
SUS
Mr Obama
Child abuse.