Hi just to let you know the Orbea D50 has £500 off at the mo at Pure Electric at £1.999 bargain www.pureelectric.com/products/orbea-gain-d50-electric-road-bike?Klaviyo&July%20Sale%20-%20e-bike%20%28Xj57vK%29&_kx=zu1nBttqn5pHkub9gsXlZPqVQJ-6vD_lhbQFPSe_lQ51EdpETEnKPZlIjz4xVWQx.LDR5zm
Thanks for your honest review! I’ve seen all your comments on other videos, as well. I’ve just done a 21 mile loop around Kirkby Stephen, Warcop, Bleatarn and Great Asby. 18 months ago I did the climb from Great Asby to Soulby ( tough!!) on my regular road bike . I’ve been avoiding certain routes because of the climbs. Today , on my Orbea Gain it wasn’t easy but very manageable. I know, now, that my choice of rides in the Eden Valley and the Lakes is going to be increased. Thank you so much 👍
Great video. I have carbon and aluminium bikes both with 105s. I also bought a orbea d50 off the back off getting a tad older and the impact of not doing too much excessive in the first year of lock down. To be honest I can’t really tell the difference between the Claris and 105s Other than the 105s seem a bit smoother when changing gears. But as I am not racing it makes no difference. All the best and really impressed on what you have achieved in under a year.
Nice review! Have you thought about buying slightly older spec 105 derailleurs, cassette, chain and shifters from eBay? People are always upgrading, sometimes within weeks of buying a bike and 5700 10speed is cheap, 5800 11sp not bad…even if you buy it new. The range of gears will likely be the same as your Claris, but it’s easier to find the right gear without big gaps affecting your cadence… Your cable discs shouldn’t feel spongy as they are all mechanical. Might need a look over…Hydraulic I’m finding is a bit of faff; lots of stuff online making a case for cable over hydraulic discs unless you have issues with grip…
Thanks Yako, yes been looking on eBay keeping my eye out, Claris is fine just wanted to get the next level as now I’m going on longer rides. Yes heard a lot of bad things about Hydraulic so will have a think but thank you and I love your channel 😬👍
I find all this group set snobbery incomprehensible. All Shimano group sets will do a perfectly good job, even the bottom end models work well. You could easily do 100 mile rides on Sora or Claris, particularly with pedal assist to help with the limitations of the gearing, but even Claris will give you 24 gears with a triple up front for the worst hills. In fact you could do a 100 mile ride using the Tourney groupset if that's what you had. What do you think we did in the old days when we were riding five/six/seven speeds? When I joined my first club nobody used derailleurs, it was all fixed wheel riding and rides of 100 miles plus over all terrains were the norm. I would have thought using a modern e-bike would render the use of the more expensive group sets uneccesary.
Spot-on review / comments. Being 66 with a slightly dodgy knee from a football injury back in the day, I decided to buy a Gain. Outstanding bike. I have a D20 and that's the version you want if doing any serious climbing. My routes involve long 6% average climbs with some 8-10% stretches and a few 10%+ ramps. The Ultegra groupset does the job well. Hydraulic disc brakes also handy for on the way down.....
Nice video, I think you have hit the nail on the head ref categories. I really dont know why they sell with an 8 speed group set or 9 for that matter. I guess its kind of for the commuter rider or something. I always said you would be amazed what an 11 speed will do especially if you have a bigger front ring option. Have you asked you local bike shop how much it would cost for the 105 conversion? That would be cheaper than buying a new bike. I would suggest that going to a carbon frame for us heavy riders would potentially be a mistake for you. I have had a full carbon in the past when I was lighter (16 stone) and even then found it very skittish on the road and loss confidence in it a sold it on. You have made fantastic progress over the last 9 months and I have tried to give you my best advise with every video you published so I would stick to an Ali frame and Carbon front fork as the price difference is not a massive saving and is more of a must have type of thing. You could always ask on other forums about it or test ride some carbon bikes. Have you thought of a Titanium frame? Dont be offended just giving you some ideas and 'gear lust' is an actual thing. Save your money and upgrade to a 105 set with a 34 speed cassette at the back. Keep up the good work matey and your subs will steadily go up.
Thank you for that, you have been great with your advice and yes I will look into seeing how much the 105 will cost to fit as never thought of doing that. Yes I was worried about the carbon full frame due to my weight, but it prob take me 3 years to save up so I’m hoping to be lighter 😬. But I will look into upgrading to the 105 as that sounds a very good idea.
@@LakeDistrictcyclist Yes I do but I have always had them even on my gravel bike so cant say for sure what yours are like. Mine dont suffer from brake fade or feel spongy and put doubt in your mind.
105 on the D30 is fantastic - 1:1 ratio of gearing plus the assist will get these bikes up most slopes with enough battery. It still is a heavy bike though and without the assist it’s like riding a heavy ladder bike which for me is where it’s limitation is on flats or 2% slopes. Slower unless you can put in more power. The 25 km/h limit is silly for bikes like this.
Great video with useful information.👍 I have the Shimano 105 drive train on my Ribble CGR e bike and I've found them quite excellent with smooth shifting. The cassette is 11 - speed (11-32} with a 50 -34 crank set, so can get up pretty much anything. Also, I'm well pleased with the hydraulic disc brakes - feel safe on those steep downhills! So, yes, go for the 105 system ,
Great video as always @Lake District cyclist I agree, a few more gears would be really useful, as I have found in certain situations gears slipping, especially on not so steep hills, maybe I'm not getting the gear to engage properly. I would say I'm definitely in category 1, thanks
Yes I sometimes get similar Paul but my last ride worked fantastic. After talking to a few on here I’m going to upgrade to a 105 instead of getting a new bike as I love bike
First I would not bother with carbon frame unless you compete in events. Plenty of you tube videos about don’t discount aluminium frames but with carbon forks and the weight saving from all carbon is not all that great. I can vouch that 105 is a great group set and today’s 105 is as good as the previous Version of Ultegra. I have a Giant Defy 1 from 2014 with 105 and a Giant Road e from 2021 again 105. I always thought the 2014 - 105 was good but the later one is much better. I looked at the Orbea Gain and the Ribble ale but delivery times were around 9 months and I was able to buy the Road e from stock. The motor gives 80 NM torque which is more than I need (nearly 66 Yrs old) with 5 levels of assist. The bike does weigh 19kg so I do need the lowest level from around 2 to 3 % gradient and level 2 from 6% plus. Last week I did a 60 mile ride with 1760 mts climbing with 50 % battery left. I have to admit I did try it at full assist on a 3.5 km climb and I was laughing instead of the usual grimace when I reached the top. Keep the videos coming and thanks for sharing your adventures.
If you are in category 3 apart of the group set 105 will be enough, I will be looking for a bigger battery. I did with my gain 7000 miles in a year, now the range of my bike if I do a lot of climbing it is about 25 miles.
Orbea M20 also at Pure Electric - they are closing down and shifting everything. I got £950 off mine last week. Comes with full Ultegra 11 speed. Great bike at £3759 but at £4699 itis pricey
@@LakeDistrictcyclist Absolutely loving theM20. I require electric assist after snapping my foot off and it not being right when they bolted it back on. This lets me ride with my fit friends as an equal. I love the gentle assist rather than the electric motorbike feel. Definitely better than my Alu Cannondale Topstone Neo I had before
Fair play to you great post as normal, but i have to disagree with you. The claris groupo works perfect if set up right, had mine for over a year never had a gear slip. I would check the chain for kinks, and the rear derailleur make sure its stright, and all running free. I agree its the cheapests and heaviest but it will work. I have Ultegra on my race bike and it is much faster, smoother and lighter, but they both work well, Claris just a bit slower and not as smooth. Take you time, set it up right, you will get so much more from the machine. God bless you, keep you the great posts.
Think I was just unlucky that I couldn’t get it set right, even though I took it in the bike shop to sort it. Now have the 105 and love it. Thank you for watching 😊
Highly recommend, my bike is basically a D30 now as upgraded to 105 groupset and it’s fantastic. Size I’m 5.10 and take a look at how high seat is, would say medium should be fine. 👍
Great bike Christian you will love it. Im a fairly regular 100 mile rider and this bike makes it an absolute pleasure, pretty much only use the lowest level of assist as most half decent riders would find to be the case but its great. Mines the M20 so carbon frame and its lovely and comfortable. With regards to the size you may want I agree with the Lake District cyclist that you may well find the medium is a good fit. I am just around 6ft 2 and was fitted to an XL as I have relatively long arms for my height. My other not assist bike (a Bianchi Aria) is an L and any other road bike Ive ever ridden was a large and the gain in XL fits perfectly so think they may be slightly smaller than most. Happy riding!!
On the bike it gives you assist until 15.5mph then it’s your own power but I can easily get to 25mph on flat usually stay around 20mph on flat without to much effort
Thanks for the video, just ordered a D40 as my first eBike. I’m between categories 1 & 2. Can’t imagine I’ll end up in cat 3…. But then again neither did you 😁. Is it not possible to upgrade the group set? Sorry if that’s a daft question, I’m only just getting started.
I’ve just upgraded my groupset to a Shimano 105 from a Claris making my D50 a D30 so it’s possible, if you look through my latest videos I go through the groupset change. Once you get bike if you need to know out message me 👍
Thank you, yes the good thing about the Orbea Gains you can upgrade to dura Ace if you wanted to but if like me a 105 does everything that does. Your D40 comes with tiagra so come with hydraulic breaks already so you might find that is good enough for you. Enjoy 👌
Hi can anyone tell me how to attach the mini computer you get with the bike to the stem please as I don’t seem to have the right parts supplied only can attach via the front bracket
Hi Dean I had same problem that’s why I’ve got it rubber ringed around stem. Think it’s same as a garmin computer so would need the connector think you can get them on eBay. Think if in future you are getting a navigation computer maybe think about how I’ve got mine 😊
It’s perfect for using on a 10 mile ride once in a blue moon… that’s bloody overkill .. get a £300 bike for once in a blue moon.. you’d have to be seriously unfit or injured to need an ebike for casual use Personally I’m doing 100 miles on a road bike sora £500 bike. Bike weight 12kg. The extra spending on bikes makes it just a bit easier… and more luxurious if you can afford to pay. I’m also looking for 105 carbon flat bar gravel
You go carbon for comfort more than weight plus losing weight of your body is cheaper. You can lose one kilo in 1 week easily use my fitness pal and a fitness watch . Also if you do a couple of fasted morning rides have a sensible breakfast then go for a little walk so you don’t raid the kitchen like i do 😂
shimano groupsets are garbage in general, shifters force the cable to make 90 degree turns in the shifter, destroys cables and on rare occasions destroys the shifter itself. Happens to all of their modern road bike shifters. On top of numerous other issues. Avoid.
The whole point I sat the channel up was to help people not spend 2000 if the bike wasn’t right for them, as I couldn’t find any support when I bought mine, mate
Hi just to let you know the Orbea D50 has £500 off at the mo at Pure Electric at £1.999 bargain www.pureelectric.com/products/orbea-gain-d50-electric-road-bike?Klaviyo&July%20Sale%20-%20e-bike%20%28Xj57vK%29&_kx=zu1nBttqn5pHkub9gsXlZPqVQJ-6vD_lhbQFPSe_lQ51EdpETEnKPZlIjz4xVWQx.LDR5zm
Thanks for your honest review! I’ve seen all your comments on other videos, as well. I’ve just done a 21 mile loop around Kirkby Stephen, Warcop, Bleatarn and Great Asby. 18 months ago I did the climb from Great Asby to Soulby ( tough!!) on my regular road bike . I’ve been avoiding certain routes because of the climbs. Today , on my Orbea Gain it wasn’t easy but very manageable. I know, now, that my choice of rides in the Eden Valley and the Lakes is going to be increased. Thank you so much 👍
Thank you, it’s an amazing bike 😊
Great video. I have carbon and aluminium bikes both with 105s. I also bought a orbea d50 off the back off getting a tad older and the impact of not doing too much excessive in the first year of lock down. To be honest I can’t really tell the difference between the Claris and 105s Other than the 105s seem a bit smoother when changing gears. But as I am not racing it makes no difference. All the best and really impressed on what you have achieved in under a year.
Thank you Mike, got some great support on here 👍
Nice review! Have you thought about buying slightly older spec 105 derailleurs, cassette, chain and shifters from eBay? People are always upgrading, sometimes within weeks of buying a bike and 5700 10speed is cheap, 5800 11sp not bad…even if you buy it new. The range of gears will likely be the same as your Claris, but it’s easier to find the right gear without big gaps affecting your cadence…
Your cable discs shouldn’t feel spongy as they are all mechanical. Might need a look over…Hydraulic I’m finding is a bit of faff; lots of stuff online making a case for cable over hydraulic discs unless you have issues with grip…
Thanks Yako, yes been looking on eBay keeping my eye out, Claris is fine just wanted to get the next level as now I’m going on longer rides. Yes heard a lot of bad things about Hydraulic so will have a think but thank you and I love your channel 😬👍
I find all this group set snobbery incomprehensible. All Shimano group sets will do a perfectly good job, even the bottom end models work well. You could easily do 100 mile rides on Sora or Claris, particularly with pedal assist to help with the limitations of the gearing, but even Claris will give you 24 gears with a triple up front for the worst hills. In fact you could do a 100 mile ride using the Tourney groupset if that's what you had. What do you think we did in the old days when we were riding five/six/seven speeds? When I joined my first club nobody used derailleurs, it was all fixed wheel riding and rides of 100 miles plus over all terrains were the norm. I would have thought using a modern e-bike would render the use of the more expensive group sets uneccesary.
I agree, but I would draw the line at Tourney, its brutal, I would pay a bit more and get the excellent Sora groupo.
Spot-on review / comments. Being 66 with a slightly dodgy knee from a football injury back in the day, I decided to buy a Gain. Outstanding bike. I have a D20 and that's the version you want if doing any serious climbing. My routes involve long 6% average climbs with some 8-10% stretches and a few 10%+ ramps. The Ultegra groupset does the job well. Hydraulic disc brakes also handy for on the way down.....
Thank you Bill, yes love Hydraulic breaks 😊
Nice video, I think you have hit the nail on the head ref categories. I really dont know why they sell with an 8 speed group set or 9 for that matter. I guess its kind of for the commuter rider or something. I always said you would be amazed what an 11 speed will do especially if you have a bigger front ring option. Have you asked you local bike shop how much it would cost for the 105 conversion? That would be cheaper than buying a new bike. I would suggest that going to a carbon frame for us heavy riders would potentially be a mistake for you. I have had a full carbon in the past when I was lighter (16 stone) and even then found it very skittish on the road and loss confidence in it a sold it on. You have made fantastic progress over the last 9 months and I have tried to give you my best advise with every video you published so I would stick to an Ali frame and Carbon front fork as the price difference is not a massive saving and is more of a must have type of thing. You could always ask on other forums about it or test ride some carbon bikes. Have you thought of a Titanium frame? Dont be offended just giving you some ideas and 'gear lust' is an actual thing. Save your money and upgrade to a 105 set with a 34 speed cassette at the back. Keep up the good work matey and your subs will steadily go up.
Thank you for that, you have been great with your advice and yes I will look into seeing how much the 105 will cost to fit as never thought of doing that. Yes I was worried about the carbon full frame due to my weight, but it prob take me 3 years to save up so I’m hoping to be lighter 😬. But I will look into upgrading to the 105 as that sounds a very good idea.
Hi do you think hydraulic breaks are better?
@@LakeDistrictcyclist Yes I do but I have always had them even on my gravel bike so cant say for sure what yours are like. Mine dont suffer from brake fade or feel spongy and put doubt in your mind.
I haven’t got them mine a mechanical breaks so just wanted to know if it was worth the upgrade?
105 on the D30 is fantastic - 1:1 ratio of gearing plus the assist will get these bikes up most slopes with enough battery. It still is a heavy bike though and without the assist it’s like riding a heavy ladder bike which for me is where it’s limitation is on flats or 2% slopes. Slower unless you can put in more power. The 25 km/h limit is silly for bikes like this.
Great video with useful information.👍 I have the Shimano 105 drive train on my Ribble CGR e bike and I've found them quite excellent with smooth shifting. The cassette is 11 - speed (11-32} with a 50 -34 crank set, so can get up pretty much anything. Also, I'm well pleased with the hydraulic disc brakes - feel safe on those steep downhills! So, yes, go for the 105 system ,
Thank you Michael 😊
Great video as always @Lake District cyclist I agree, a few more gears would be really useful, as I have found in certain situations gears slipping, especially on not so steep hills, maybe I'm not getting the gear to engage properly. I would say I'm definitely in category 1, thanks
Yes I sometimes get similar Paul but my last ride worked fantastic. After talking to a few on here I’m going to upgrade to a 105 instead of getting a new bike as I love bike
Thanks for your video, really interesting!!! I love this bike in carbon version M30 with 105.
Agree beautiful bike 😊
Another excellent video, well done…..I used to be category 3, but now 1 lol😊
Thank you 😊
First I would not bother with carbon frame unless you compete in events. Plenty of you tube videos about don’t discount aluminium frames but with carbon forks and the weight saving from all carbon is not all that great. I can vouch that 105 is a great group set and today’s 105 is as good as the previous Version of Ultegra. I have a Giant Defy 1 from 2014 with 105 and a Giant Road e from 2021 again 105. I always thought the 2014 - 105 was good but the later one is much better. I looked at the Orbea Gain and the Ribble ale but delivery times were around 9 months and I was able to buy the Road e from stock. The motor gives 80 NM torque which is more than I need (nearly 66 Yrs old) with 5 levels of assist. The bike does weigh 19kg so I do need the lowest level from around 2 to 3 % gradient and level 2 from 6% plus. Last week I did a 60 mile ride with 1760 mts climbing with 50 % battery left. I have to admit I did try it at full assist on a 3.5 km climb and I was laughing instead of the usual grimace when I reached the top. Keep the videos coming and thanks for sharing your adventures.
Yes I’m going to get a 105 groupset instead of new bike, some great advice on here so thank you all
If you are in category 3 apart of the group set 105 will be enough, I will be looking for a bigger battery. I did with my gain 7000 miles in a year, now the range of my bike if I do a lot of climbing it is about 25 miles.
Thanks for the video, appreciated
No worries hope it helped 😊
Orbea M20 also at Pure Electric - they are closing down and shifting everything. I got £950 off mine last week. Comes with full Ultegra 11 speed. Great bike at £3759 but at £4699 itis pricey
Full carbon too which is much more comfortable
Good price for that bike I never new Pure electric where shutting though, enjoy the M20 ☺️
@@LakeDistrictcyclist Absolutely loving theM20. I require electric assist after snapping my foot off and it not being right when they bolted it back on. This lets me ride with my fit friends as an equal. I love the gentle assist rather than the electric motorbike feel. Definitely better than my Alu Cannondale Topstone Neo I had before
Thank you! This helps me make a decision
Thank you, I’ve done plenty of videos on the Gain if need to know out else 😊
Fair play to you great post as normal, but i have to disagree with you. The claris groupo works perfect if set up right, had mine for over a year never had a gear slip. I would check the chain for kinks, and the rear derailleur make sure its stright, and all running free. I agree its the cheapests and heaviest but it will work. I have Ultegra on my race bike and it is much faster, smoother and lighter, but they both work well, Claris just a bit slower and not as smooth. Take you time, set it up right, you will get so much more from the machine. God bless you, keep you the great posts.
Think I was just unlucky that I couldn’t get it set right, even though I took it in the bike shop to sort it. Now have the 105 and love it. Thank you for watching 😊
Thanks, this has helped me a lot.... it’ll be a 105 for me.
Yes I love the 105 👌
I’m looking at getting a d30 would you recommend I’m 5ft 7 would you say medium or small would be a better fit thanks
Highly recommend, my bike is basically a D30 now as upgraded to 105 groupset and it’s fantastic. Size I’m 5.10 and take a look at how high seat is, would say medium should be fine. 👍
Great bike Christian you will love it. Im a fairly regular 100 mile rider and this bike makes it an absolute pleasure, pretty much only use the lowest level of assist as most half decent riders would find to be the case but its great. Mines the M20 so carbon frame and its lovely and comfortable. With regards to the size you may want I agree with the Lake District cyclist that you may well find the medium is a good fit. I am just around 6ft 2 and was fitted to an XL as I have relatively long arms for my height. My other not assist bike (a Bianchi Aria) is an L and any other road bike Ive ever ridden was a large and the gain in XL fits perfectly so think they may be slightly smaller than most. Happy riding!!
on a flat plane, how fast are you able to achieve with this bike? 20+ mph? can it get to 25 mph sustainably?
On the bike it gives you assist until 15.5mph then it’s your own power but I can easily get to 25mph on flat usually stay around 20mph on flat without to much effort
Thanks for the video, just ordered a D40 as my first eBike. I’m between categories 1 & 2. Can’t imagine I’ll end up in cat 3…. But then again neither did you 😁. Is it not possible to upgrade the group set? Sorry if that’s a daft question, I’m only just getting started.
I’ve just upgraded my groupset to a Shimano 105 from a Claris making my D50 a D30 so it’s possible, if you look through my latest videos I go through the groupset change. Once you get bike if you need to know out message me 👍
@@LakeDistrictcyclist thanks for the reply. I’ve been watching a few of your videos and really enjoying your content. Will check it out, all the best.
Thank you, yes the good thing about the Orbea Gains you can upgrade to dura Ace if you wanted to but if like me a 105 does everything that does. Your D40 comes with tiagra so come with hydraulic breaks already so you might find that is good enough for you. Enjoy 👌
can't you fit a different 8 speed cassette with a bigger range ?
Yes imagine you can I’m happy with the 11-36 on it 😊
👍
bought one
but I only use it for a commute to work!
Yes it’s fantastic for that, I love the bike don’t get me wrong it’s I just want more gears 😬 thanks for watching
Hi can anyone tell me how to attach the mini computer you get with the bike to the stem please as I don’t seem to have the right parts supplied only can attach via the front bracket
Hi Dean I had same problem that’s why I’ve got it rubber ringed around stem. Think it’s same as a garmin computer so would need the connector think you can get them on eBay. Think if in future you are getting a navigation computer maybe think about how I’ve got mine 😊
The bike you have is fine, groupset fine, 105 not make a lot of Dif , stick with what you have, just enjoy
Thank you
It’s perfect for using on a 10 mile ride once in a blue moon… that’s bloody overkill .. get a £300 bike for once in a blue moon.. you’d have to be seriously unfit or injured to need an ebike for casual use
Personally I’m doing 100 miles on a road bike sora £500 bike.
Bike weight 12kg. The extra spending on bikes makes it just a bit easier… and more luxurious if you can afford to pay. I’m also looking for 105 carbon flat bar gravel
SHIMANO 105 R7000 CASSETTE £46.75, SHIMANO 105 CN-5801 BICYCLE CHAIN £26.49, SHIMANO 105 R7000 CHAINSET £115.99, SHIMANO 105 R7000 REAR DERAILLEUR £39.99 from Probikekit. Hydraulic brakes not easy to maintain, don't thick they are worth the hassle.
Thank you for this Emyr will go and have a look 😬
You go carbon for comfort more than weight plus losing weight of your body is cheaper. You can lose one kilo in 1 week easily use my fitness pal and a fitness watch . Also if you do a couple of fasted morning rides have a sensible breakfast then go for a little walk so you don’t raid the kitchen like i do 😂
shimano groupsets are garbage in general, shifters force the cable to make 90 degree turns in the shifter, destroys cables and on rare occasions destroys the shifter itself.
Happens to all of their modern road bike shifters.
On top of numerous other issues.
Avoid.
I’ve heard there’s something called the rhinos pass, you should give it a go 😂😂😂😂
Hi already done a few time here was my latest time up there 😊 ua-cam.com/video/ukCCGtSiE5U/v-deo.html
Two thousand quid for occasional cyclists? aye ok mate.
The whole point I sat the channel up was to help people not spend 2000 if the bike wasn’t right for them, as I couldn’t find any support when I bought mine, mate