The Strange History of WEEZER (they were never “emo”)

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  • Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
  • Weezer are one of the biggest influences on emo music, especially the blue album and "Pinkerton." But Weezer were never really emo, and didn't want to be.
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    0:00 Intro
    1:17 Early years of Weezer
    4:48 "Pinkerton" & hiatus
    6:53 Green album, "Maladroit" & "Make Believe"
    10:42 Red album & "Raditude"
    13:35 Was Weezer ever emo?
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  • @HimothyBurton
    @HimothyBurton Місяць тому +262

    I will never forget about 6 years ago, telling my coworkers I would go to a Weezer concert. And my coworker goes "Weezer makes music for selling HP computers." And it makes me laugh to this day lol

    • @the_kombinator
      @the_kombinator Місяць тому +5

      Compaq... Compaq computers.

    • @HimothyBurton
      @HimothyBurton Місяць тому +5

      @@the_kombinator I just like the thought of Hash Pipe playing while looking at a HP Pavilion 6835 for sale

    • @JayBigDadyCy
      @JayBigDadyCy Місяць тому

      This is... Incredibly accurate 😂😂

  • @leelermakesmusic
    @leelermakesmusic Місяць тому +148

    I loved that Buddy Holly was hidden in Windows 95.

    • @RatelHBadger
      @RatelHBadger Місяць тому +10

      How many people discovered them through that install CD?

    • @kage6613
      @kage6613 Місяць тому

      ahhhh memories.

    • @schwazelbacher
      @schwazelbacher Місяць тому

      Yup

    • @the_kombinator
      @the_kombinator Місяць тому

      I think I may have it on an OEM CD still - Retrogamer.

    • @JWickyJr13
      @JWickyJr13 19 днів тому

      That's exactly how I discovered them. I was a big fan of watching old Happy Days reruns on Nick at Nite and I remember being confused as a kid because I thought it was a clip from the show. Imagine my surprise when i saw this band named Weezer had a new song out. I was like, wouldn't they be really old? Haha

  • @My_Naginta
    @My_Naginta Місяць тому +93

    "Get down party anthems for agoraphobics." I would love if someone described my music like this

    • @torstenscholz6243
      @torstenscholz6243 Місяць тому +3

      That would actually be a pretty great title for a Weezer album, describes them rather perfectly.

    • @My_Naginta
      @My_Naginta Місяць тому +1

      @torstenscholz6243 it reminded me of Nine Inch Nails after thinking about it lol

    • @CIA_Gnome_Patrol
      @CIA_Gnome_Patrol Місяць тому

      That review excerpt could've been positive lol

  • @DrProfessorMD
    @DrProfessorMD Місяць тому +91

    I saw Weezer and No Doubt at the same show. It was pretty neat.

    • @Sasquatch10
      @Sasquatch10 Місяць тому +5

      Don't speak.

    • @shodai2054
      @shodai2054 Місяць тому

      Love coldrain

    • @RudieObias
      @RudieObias Місяць тому +1

      I saw that tour too. We also got Civ as the opener in Cleveland, Ohio

    • @girthquake9655
      @girthquake9655 Місяць тому +1

      How neat is that...

    • @DrProfessorMD
      @DrProfessorMD Місяць тому

      @@girthquake9655 Pretty. It was pretty neat.

  • @QueLoKevin
    @QueLoKevin Місяць тому +48

    That SNL skit spoke so much to basically all band fandoms

    • @Driver8takeabreak
      @Driver8takeabreak Місяць тому +9

      Outside of Van Halen, I'm not sure any band has quite the division of its fans that weezer does.
      That skit nailed it. I was so impressed and shocked they aired it, given the likely small slice of the audience that would really get it.
      And that's a Todd original.

    • @Mitchthemysteryman
      @Mitchthemysteryman Місяць тому +5

      I guarantee you they did it because “hey, with glasses, Matt Damon looks a little like Rivers Cuomo.”

    • @Dick_Weapon
      @Dick_Weapon Місяць тому

      "Weezer died when Matt Sharp left!"
      I waited for years to hear someone else say that.

  • @restlessapprentice
    @restlessapprentice Місяць тому +60

    I get wanting to keep the video short, but neglecting to talk about their comeback with EWBAITE and The White Album and chalking everything past Raditude as more of the same feels a bit disingenuous. Weezer had fallen out of popularity pretty hard and are now consistently prominent with most of their newer albums. Pacific Daydream (while not an album I care for personally) was all over the radio when it came out, which had not been the case for the band in the 5-6 years prior. Would have been interesting to at least mention their comeback and transition into a mainstay legacy band.

    • @theblan1k0ne
      @theblan1k0ne Місяць тому +5

      fr though, and the absolute jump in popularity at around mid to late 2023

    • @elicash233
      @elicash233 Місяць тому +7

      Right!!! EWBAITE and the White Album are tremendous and can’t be glossed over. Cant make a video like this and then be like “yea the last 15 years aren’t important enough to talk about”

    • @clarkarussell
      @clarkarussell Місяць тому +6

      You just made my heart happy. I thought the White album was just my guilty pleasure. I didn't know anyone out there loved it like I love it. I found my people

    • @robbygotshall
      @robbygotshall Місяць тому +9

      I damn near thumbs-downed the video for this reason. White Album and OK Human are generally considered great even by old school fans, while I personally have loved everything since White Album. It’s a shame to omit that.

    • @alvadrive42
      @alvadrive42 2 дні тому

      Preach

  • @shiko098
    @shiko098 Місяць тому +146

    I remember when Emo wasn't associated with fringes, eyeliner and My Chemical Romance.
    It was all stripy jumpers, thick rimmed glasses, Dashboard Confessional, Death Cab for Cutie and Jimmy Eat World.

    • @Bassmanhill84
      @Bassmanhill84 Місяць тому +6

      Right? Same here

    • @xenos_n.
      @xenos_n. Місяць тому +18

      90's emo was way better for sure.

    • @yuckytails7729
      @yuckytails7729 Місяць тому +10

      I remember the word “emo” doesn’t even exist and it was just hardcore punk in the 80s

    • @SconnerStudios
      @SconnerStudios Місяць тому +8

      Saves the Day too. Nobody ever gives credit to Saves the Day even though they were the most influencial band of creating that whiny pop punk nasal vocals you hear in simple plan or new found glory.

    • @SconnerStudios
      @SconnerStudios Місяць тому +45

      @@yuckytails7729 I remember when "punk" didn't exist in the 1100s and it was just Greogorian monk chanting. Good times, smoked a ton of weed.

  • @bt0694
    @bt0694 Місяць тому +82

    When I was a sup at a call center I had this 19 yr old hipster kid (maybe a prototype hipster it was 2001) named Shane on my team. He LOVED Weezer so much! We became friends quickly discussing music in our 1-1s instead of his stats. He DEMANDED I listen to Pinkerton, he said it was the best album that had ever been made. That was how I felt about I brought you my bullets, so we traded albums for a week… sadly he died in a car wreck that week… I still have his Pinkerton album.

    • @KasCalwein
      @KasCalwein Місяць тому +26

      That story turned dark very quickly

    • @FreddyFunderbunz
      @FreddyFunderbunz Місяць тому +15

      Did u get ur cd back?

    • @kage6613
      @kage6613 Місяць тому +5

      not a prototype that was like the peak of hipsters 1998-2003 before that it was called "scenester" and they were usually actually involved in a music scene and not just trying to be fashionistas cosplaying as band members. sorry about your friend

    • @bt0694
      @bt0694 Місяць тому +5

      @@FreddyFunderbunz yeah his mom gave it back to me, she told me to keep his since it was just “noise”

    • @capnjames
      @capnjames Місяць тому +1

      @@kage6613they were represented in various media of the time too like in king of the hill, usually the butt of a joke but funny nonetheless

  • @jazzmasterbator
    @jazzmasterbator Місяць тому +102

    I taught myself guitar by playing blue album songs every day. Pinkerton is one of the most important albums to me. Those first two albums did a lot to shape my highschool years. Pinkerton is the fucking best.

    • @KageMorghulis
      @KageMorghulis Місяць тому +2

      Me too! What part of the world do you live in? Wanna start a band? (Edit) I realized that sounded kinda ‘bot-ish’ I swear I’m real and I wanna play rock music.

    • @rychier6994
      @rychier6994 Місяць тому

      Agreed 🤘🤘

    • @BackStreetMan
      @BackStreetMan Місяць тому

      Yes

    • @SuperStrik9
      @SuperStrik9 Місяць тому

      I remember watching the music video for Buddy Holly on Windows 95. At the time I was blown away that you could watch music videos on a computer lol. Things have changed slightly since then lol.

    • @dethkev
      @dethkev Місяць тому +1

      I had no idea Pinkerton was so reviled back then. El Scorcho is one of my favorite songs :(

  • @JerryLantz
    @JerryLantz Місяць тому +16

    I love "Heart Songs" because he talks about how Nevermind got him more interested in making music. Also, you should do a video on Bright Eyes. Conor Oberst is a genius and their music is so varied that it's insane

  • @TikkiNikki
    @TikkiNikki Місяць тому +25

    Man, Weezer' Hash Pipe was my "Stairway to Heaven" when I showed my friends that I play guitar lmao I don't mean to brag, but I can play them 3 chords like a champ 👊

  • @mcwildstyle9106
    @mcwildstyle9106 Місяць тому +152

    I think i remember that I called weezer “the Beatles if they make depressing shit sometimes”

  • @JeffreyMcLain
    @JeffreyMcLain Місяць тому +39

    Jesus man, I really appreciate this channel. I don't have the time or brain space lately to really be in the music scene the way that I once was and how I ideally would want to be. Enjoying listening to stuff about bands and history etc, shit just hits the spot and helps me make space in the ol' grey matter for shit I actually care about. Thanks for the work man.

  • @golfboy83
    @golfboy83 Місяць тому +32

    I didnt really listen to Pinkerton until about 2004. I was in college and I think I could relate a bit more to the darker themes. But I basically only listen to Pinkerton, Blue, and Green.

    • @say12thebear
      @say12thebear Місяць тому

      I feel like college is the perfect time to listen to Pinkerton haha.
      Them and bands like Dinosaur Jr and Pavement

    • @slashtrio
      @slashtrio Місяць тому

      Always loved the blue album but wasn’t really following them when Pinkerton came out. Gave a listen around 2002 and thought it was awesome. Pinkerton and Blue are far and away my favs, green is okay. I can’t say I like anything after that for some reason. Those first couple of albums just work for me.

    • @amandathemystic1828
      @amandathemystic1828 Місяць тому

      The Blue Album and Make Believe for me ✨👍

  • @YamiVT
    @YamiVT Місяць тому +55

    Weezer is the Tailor Swift of lonely dudes

    • @robertgerow670
      @robertgerow670 Місяць тому +11

      A while ago there was a viral tweet asking if guys had someone who understands them like Taylor swift understands girls and I responded with Rivers Cuomo lol

    • @Sasquatch10
      @Sasquatch10 Місяць тому +1

      That's a kinda accurate assessment tbh.

    • @kaomatic
      @kaomatic Місяць тому

      stahp

    • @bangujangID
      @bangujangID Місяць тому +1

      Am a huge fan and I approve this. its actually quite TRUE. Hear hear

    • @7Lace77
      @7Lace77 26 днів тому

      ​​@@robertgerow670I don't get it, he just seems whiny. Or is that it with Miss Swift?

  • @superheard1980
    @superheard1980 Місяць тому +64

    Weezer added the element of what’s now called, “Nerd Culture” to Music. Something I didn’t know that I needed. I thought Nirvana completed my 14 year old self. 😅 Love this band.

    • @torstenscholz6243
      @torstenscholz6243 Місяць тому +6

      Weezer were the perfect nerds before that even was a thing. I always loved their nerdy personas and that they were the perfect anti-rockstars that looked so normal and didn't even try to seem cool, but managed to be anyway.

    • @MrBeen992
      @MrBeen992 Місяць тому +1

      But you are not a nerd, right ?

  • @cjklemonski1938
    @cjklemonski1938 Місяць тому +25

    When Pinkerton was still near universally disliked, it was probably the most played CD in the Death Threat tour van

    • @noneofyourbusiness1114
      @noneofyourbusiness1114 Місяць тому

      Howso?

    • @cjklemonski1938
      @cjklemonski1938 Місяць тому +1

      @@noneofyourbusiness1114 I'm not quite sure what the confusion is. It was playing in the van CD player on tour more than anything else

    • @jgdn-ow5mh
      @jgdn-ow5mh Місяць тому

      Say what?! That’s awesome Hahahaha

    • @kage6613
      @kage6613 Місяць тому +2

      those were the LAST DAYZ that Weezer was actually cool... lol ;P

    • @noneofyourbusiness1114
      @noneofyourbusiness1114 Місяць тому +3

      @@cjklemonski1938 oooo you are in death threat!
      I just was confused thinking how would this mofo even know that

  • @elosoguapo8137
    @elosoguapo8137 Місяць тому +4

    I appreciate Finn bringing up the beginnings, because they’ve been largely forgotten. I was around 18/19 when Weezer arrived and they were 100% seen as a borderline comedy rock group steering into the alternative rock trend. First the band’s name was Weezer. Then we have sweater song, buddy Holly…was this really going to be received like Nirvana? What amazes and astonishes me now is that we’re still talking about Weezer and people do talk about them in the same breath as Nirvana. Not only that, the reigning champions of alternative rock music the Pixies toured and opened for them! It’s like some alternate reality was created. Some have woken up from this fever dream with questions posed like…was Weezer ever good?…I think these folks weren’t around when the blue album came out and was received similarly to the bloodhound gang, but that’s what it was millennials and Gen z.

  • @ceejluige4816
    @ceejluige4816 Місяць тому +12

    You know, while I liked the Blue album a lot, when Pinkerton came out it instantly became one of my favorite albums of all time. It's still in my top 3 for sure 30 years later. I honestly had no concept that everyone universally hated it until years and years later. Makes me wonder what the fuck my psyche was up to back then as a 15 year old, depressed, punk "freak". And truthfully, it did pave the way for me to get into bands like The Get Up Kids and Saves The Day. So if you want to say Weezer isn't emo, that's fine, but Pinkerton was a perfect gateway into emo music.

  • @lcourni
    @lcourni Місяць тому +8

    As a 46yo WEEZER fan I have to mention the very good "Everything Will Be Alright in the End" album that seems like a bit of a redemption in recent years (2015 ?)

  • @RudieObias
    @RudieObias Місяць тому +4

    I was 16 when Pinkerton came out. I was a big fan of the Blue Album and I immediately bought Pinkerton at the Target across the street from my high school on release day. I remember feeling how different it was when “El Scorcho” was released as the first single prior to the album’s release and I still felt it was different and weird when I listened to the album for the first time, especially with the first track “Tired of Sex.” However, I didn’t come around to it until the second or third listen and then I fell in love with it.

  • @Andelaz
    @Andelaz Місяць тому +13

    Old Weezer ftw.
    Nr. 1 definetely Pinkerton.
    Nr. 2 Blue Album
    Lost interest after the green Album.
    Sh*t, i'm old...

    • @theblan1k0ne
      @theblan1k0ne Місяць тому +7

      Please listen to EWBAITE, White, and OK Human. They're no Blue and Pinkerton, but they sure as hell are close in terms of quality.

    • @Chucknorrisatemybaby
      @Chucknorrisatemybaby Місяць тому +2

      @@theblan1k0neI fully endorse this.

    • @ferdusmohamad1438
      @ferdusmohamad1438 Місяць тому +1

      Same. Old. I only trust myself with Blue and Pinkerton.

    • @warmsignal
      @warmsignal 28 днів тому

      @@ferdusmohamad1438 Maladroit is legitimately great and I consider it as part of "old Weezer". It's a very overlooked album. I think a lot of people who wrote them off after green album, didn't bother to listen to it.

  • @bsncoleman5341
    @bsncoleman5341 Місяць тому +8

    Can we please talk about how the music video to “Pork and Beans” is the perfect love letter to the early days of the internet? Seriously, if you haven’t watched it since it first debuted, go watch it right now and tell me that it doesn’t make you yearn for “the good ol’ days”. It seriously makes me tear up, wishing to live those early, younger years again, because you never really know how great things were until it’s in the past.

    • @suqadiqniwa
      @suqadiqniwa 6 днів тому

      Its like if youtube rewind was a mv

  • @dabigdawg42042
    @dabigdawg42042 Місяць тому +10

    I had no idea Pinkerton ever had a bad rep. I absolutely loved hearing it for the first time

    • @bltvd
      @bltvd Місяць тому +1

      Yeah I still have my original vinyl record from when it came out.

    • @volumecorps8086
      @volumecorps8086 Місяць тому +2

      I think Pinkerton caught a lot of people off guard. Much like Nirvana and Nevermind three years prior, everyone I knew at the time owned the blue album no matter what their musical preferences usually were. It was the perfect pop album for it’s time when it was released.
      Pinkerton, with its harsh production and uncomfortable themes was a shock to anyone expecting another blue album. It was an acquired taste for a lot of people, me included.
      I’ll put it this way…I appreciated Pinkerton much more in my 30’s than I did when I first heard it at 19.

    • @ggmorgan7
      @ggmorgan7 Місяць тому

      I was also surprised to hear that Pinkerton was unpopular. I was in high school when it came out and my friends and I played it on repeat for months. Pinkerton will always be my favorite Weezwr album, followed by the Blue album.

  • @ramblingsunglassesguy
    @ramblingsunglassesguy Місяць тому +5

    I completely disagree with your point on their albums after Raditude, while Hurley may have disappointed, EWBAITE and White are considered to be huge returns to form, and while there have been disappointing albums like Black or Pacific Daydream, most people agree from what I've seen love their newest stuff like OK Human and SZNZ.

  • @aaronstreet2744
    @aaronstreet2744 Місяць тому +3

    I just found your channel and I am really enjoying your videos. Here's a list of bands I'd love to see you cover in your videos: Fugazi, At The Drive-In, The Get Up Kids, Cursive, Hot Water Music, Thursday, Braid, and The Velvet Teen. Thx!

  • @lougaru2445
    @lougaru2445 Місяць тому +2

    Excellent closing thoughts about Pinkerton being a one-off and not the identity of Weezer. More on that later.
    Fans could rejoice that Rivers Cuomo's solo albums (Alone I and II) featured demos from Songs From The Black Hole, which were essentially Pinkerton rejects.
    Original bassist Matt Sharp was important to the beginning of Weezer. His post-Weezer band The Rentals had some success, and for a little while their keyboard player was Maya Rudolph (Saturday Night Live).
    Weezer's subsequent bassist Mikey Welsh passed away at 40. He was released from the band at the time.
    I think there are two kinds of emo bands: Bands that are power-pop bands disguised as emo bands, and bands that are hardcore/punk disguised as emo. I thought I loved emo for decades, but now I understand I truly love power pop, so I listen to a lot of 1st Wave late 70s early 80s stuff now.

  • @charstrong9822
    @charstrong9822 Місяць тому

    I appreciate that you did a Weezer video ❤ I hope you cover more bands like them!

  • @imalright2837
    @imalright2837 Місяць тому +11

    Beverly Hills is a guilty pleasure of mine. I really hated it at the time but now every time I hear it it brings me back to the summer of 2005. I had to sit through it to get to listen to System of the down’s BYOB.

    • @noneofyourbusiness1114
      @noneofyourbusiness1114 Місяць тому

      My elementary school always played it before the school news ❤

    • @the_kombinator
      @the_kombinator Місяць тому +1

      I heard the song in Poland in 2005 at my grandmas on a visit, coming out of her Unitra radio. I recall hearing so many iconic songs from that radio in the 90s - Blur (boys and girls), a bunch of Greenday songs, and what was going on in Poland, France, and Europe at that time, as well as some 80s classics that brought me back to my early childhood.
      I wish I kept that radio after her death. It had a Kolorofon output!

  • @Chucknorrisatemybaby
    @Chucknorrisatemybaby Місяць тому

    Great video. I highly recommend their later albums, Everything Will Be Alright In the End and The White Album. The later of which has strong Pinkerton vibes. Also, their album OK Human, which is all orchestral, is really fucking great and worth digging into. It’s different but man is it good.

  • @brupkin1177
    @brupkin1177 Місяць тому +2

    Listened them for real in a 90s indie night on a nightclub early this month, they played say it ain't so and everyone was exited singing alone, i loved the energy at that moment, been thinking about it for weeks, it was really something special, i have heard of them but had not payed attention and lived in the moment like i did that time

  • @loompy1440
    @loompy1440 Місяць тому

    Really enjoyed this one fint. I’ve still never listened to Pinkerton, but you’ve gotten me close a couple times. lol

  • @jamesmotiv8989
    @jamesmotiv8989 Місяць тому +2

    My sister gave me the blue album when i was like 11 and it changed my world. At 13 I bought Pinkerton (2003) and it fit right in with my punk/emo/post hardcore taste nicely. 2 of my fav albums of all time.

  • @themusicofwerewolfbickensd8847
    @themusicofwerewolfbickensd8847 Місяць тому

    GREAT video, amazing work. ❤

  • @GunDrummer
    @GunDrummer Місяць тому +1

    “Tired of s*x” from Pinkerton is the first song I ever played on drums when I was 14.

  • @DavidAllenMD
    @DavidAllenMD Місяць тому +14

    pink triangle was a great song

  • @patrickwade757
    @patrickwade757 Місяць тому +1

    good vid Finn! thanks man

  • @gnilssrof3483
    @gnilssrof3483 Місяць тому +12

    Weezer was the band, that was like your friend, that never scored. You keep him along, cause you like him, but you really dont wanna be seen with him. You laughed at him, but you felt the pain.

    • @torstenscholz6243
      @torstenscholz6243 Місяць тому +3

      So true. They were the perfect nerd personas before being a nerd became cool. They really were the perfect normal-looking guys next door that seemed a bit nerdy and sometimes a bit awkward, but were great guys with a big heart.

    • @suqadiqniwa
      @suqadiqniwa 6 днів тому +1

      Yeap, being a great musician is rooted on being a great nerd. About time

  • @ottomattix86
    @ottomattix86 Місяць тому +2

    I saw them in winnipeg a few years ago. They played tight and were heavy with energy for me. They just played the hits and that's all we needed.

  • @dylan_monument
    @dylan_monument Місяць тому

    Great video Finn. Love the first Weezer album and then kind of just songs here and there on each record but I actually do think Pinkerton was a cool unique record that was under appreciated at the time but for that record to follow up the blue album with that I kind of get it haha

  • @tomascox8748
    @tomascox8748 Місяць тому +3

    To be fair, after the stinkers that were Make Believe and the albums that followed, they did release a couple of gems that are regarded among their fans as some of their very best, reminiscent of the Blue Album era with "Everything Will Be Alright In The End" (2014) and the "White Album" (2016).
    They have such a vast discographt that there's bound to be a lot of bad albums, but also some good ones in between.

  • @whatistau
    @whatistau Місяць тому +2

    I remember seeing Hash Pipe on mtv and i loved the guitars on that so much i wnwt and bought the album the same day i wanted to hear the song again. Simple pages, Glorious days, Island in the sun among the best was such a vibe, felt like a fever dream like Nirvana went on a Spring break.

    • @devenscience8894
      @devenscience8894 Місяць тому +1

      "Photograph" is my favorite song on the Green Album.

    • @whatistau
      @whatistau Місяць тому

      yeas definetely @@devenscience8894

  • @Textile_Courtesan
    @Textile_Courtesan Місяць тому

    Great video! I am a die hard Weezer fan since I really started listening a decade ago. They were that band on the radio but I finally bought a few albums and I was hooked. My frequent saying is "Weezer has a song for that" because Rivers is so prolific in his content. In a sad mood and want to stay sad? Weezer has a song for that. In a sad mood and want to feel better? There's a song for that! Can't tell someone something, there's a song for that, too! My personal favourite album is 'Make Believe' and I think the whole thing is well paced and solid. Can't wait to see them in September! =w=

  • @Shaigorath
    @Shaigorath Місяць тому +1

    The first time I found out about Weezer was I when I first installed Windows 95. The video for Buddy Holly was included to test Windows media player in the original win95 cd.

  • @SMJSmoK
    @SMJSmoK Місяць тому +2

    Ok that intro with the hardcore music with pinch harmonics accompanied by the Island in the Sun video was pure genius lol.

  • @skakirask
    @skakirask Місяць тому +1

    My band is doing a 30th anniversary tribute for the Blue Album in May. One of the greatest albums of all time, unironically.

  • @U570
    @U570 10 днів тому

    Great video, agree with most considerations, well thought

  • @MrNavidad
    @MrNavidad Місяць тому +5

    I enjoyed Raditude, but that was during my high school years so maybe that's why

  • @gringogreen4719
    @gringogreen4719 Місяць тому +3

    The "Blue Album" and "Pinkerton" is really more like Radiohead's "The Bends" and "Pablo Honey" respectively. Moments in time that the bands and artists moved away from.
    If you do like "The Bends" check out a band named kent (yes, kent) in their album "Isola" as that is pretty much the spiritual successor of that album. Also check out Gene's "Olympian" as well as it definitely touches that same vein of Alternative music.😉👍✨

  • @TheRareVideosXL
    @TheRareVideosXL Місяць тому

    Great video as always.

  • @torstenscholz6243
    @torstenscholz6243 Місяць тому

    Great video as usual. I also never thought of Weezer being emo, or even pop punk, as some others claim. I never even considered them any specific genre, other than alternative rock. To me, they were always their own, unique thing that had pretty much created their own genre no one ever tried to copy. Also, I always loved that they seemed to be the nerdy, normal-looking, glasses-wearing anti-rockstars, who were a bit the US equivalent to Blur in the UK in that regard. But with that said, I'm rather surprised that they were actually rooted in the hardcore and metal scene and that they never aspired to be the funny nerd band, but actually tried to be serious. I never knew that and it changes my picture of the band completely.

  • @ibidoofd9293
    @ibidoofd9293 Місяць тому +7

    I love all of Weezer. Do i like their older stuff more? Yes. But their newer stuff? The white album? All my favorite songs? FUCKING INCREDIBLE! Thanks Weezer. Thanks Rivers!

    • @robertgerow670
      @robertgerow670 Місяць тому

      White album rules

    • @theblan1k0ne
      @theblan1k0ne Місяць тому +1

      hell yea, and EWBAITE

    • @robertgerow670
      @robertgerow670 Місяць тому +1

      @@theblan1k0ne I don’t like EVERYTHING they’ve done but I like at least some stuff from every album. And I honestly think SZNZ was some of their best work in years

    • @theblan1k0ne
      @theblan1k0ne Місяць тому

      @@robertgerow670 wait wat I was just saying that everything will be alright in the end is as amazing as white

    • @robertgerow670
      @robertgerow670 Місяць тому

      @@theblan1k0ne I got you, sorry if I worded that confusingly 😛 I was kind of re-responding to your original comment that you love all of Weezer
      I used to love white and EWBAITE pretty equally, but over time I still really like white but I don’t quite like EWBAITE as much anymore 🤔 I dunno why

  • @shanevalcich9208
    @shanevalcich9208 Місяць тому

    I saw weezer right before the green album came out, got to hear Hash Pipe and Island in the sun before release - drove through a blizzard to get there it was a top 10 shows of my life and I have seen thousands.

  • @Codycreek
    @Codycreek Місяць тому

    Love the new intro!

  • @GardenParkWV
    @GardenParkWV Місяць тому

    Finn, you should check out the album everything will be all right in the end. It may be their best work with that blue album, pop, and a little bit of darkness.!

  • @younganton6405
    @younganton6405 2 дні тому

    My first concert was Weezer in 1996. Pinkerton tour at La Luna in Portland Oregon. I was what.. 10 years old? Absolutely lit. GOAT’d band

  • @shortlivedglory3314
    @shortlivedglory3314 Місяць тому +20

    I never at any point until now ever heard of Weezer being called emo. Have I just been living under a rock?

    • @savedbythebelldeepdives
      @savedbythebelldeepdives Місяць тому +5

      Nah, it's just that Pinkerton was so "dark" and "edgy" that it gets lumped in to the fray. Rivers may have been self deprecating, but that's not the only hallmark of emo music.

    • @Skywohka
      @Skywohka Місяць тому +6

      They def influenced a lot of emo bands

    • @zackzallie8735
      @zackzallie8735 Місяць тому

      Probably cuz Weezer influenced bands like Sunny Day Real Estate and even MCR, consider even covering My Name is Jonas with them on stage together.

    • @Kain128
      @Kain128 Місяць тому

      @@zackzallie8735Where did you hear about them influencing SDRE? I've never heard of that connection and I don't hear any similarities between their music.

    • @patmakein4709
      @patmakein4709 Місяць тому +1

      They were called emo as long as I’ve listened to them going back to the blue album. Also sunny day has been around just as long as weezer

  • @larsFTW5
    @larsFTW5 Місяць тому +2

    Surprised no mention of Matt Sharp as the reason the first two albums have a different sound about them than the rest

  • @SelfReassuringTitle
    @SelfReassuringTitle Місяць тому +4

    I remember freaking out when I found out when the blue album was released, I figured because of “Beverly Hills” coming out when I was a teenager they were younger lol

  • @DrNutbag
    @DrNutbag Місяць тому +1

    Island In The Sun is not my fav song but was the hit of the spring & summer of 2001 and gives me all the vibes of going from jr high to high school and saying goodbye to many friends at a grad party I went to while it played in the background. So there's something to be said about that I suppose.

    • @torstenscholz6243
      @torstenscholz6243 Місяць тому +1

      Island in the Sun may not be their best song, but it's still beautiful and catchy as hell and one of the best chill-out ballads in rock history.

  • @modestalchemist
    @modestalchemist Місяць тому

    I remember hearing the sweater song for the first time. It was a cold, rainy day, and i was getting ready to go to school, 2nd grade.
    And still a huge weezer fan.
    I didnt really follow any of the news or reviews, just liked what i liked. I think blue album will always be my favorite, but i actually love raditude, make believe, and red as well.

  • @ShaneLibrarian
    @ShaneLibrarian Місяць тому +3

    I remember that the install disk for windows 95 had the video for buddy holly on it.

    • @ShaneLibrarian
      @ShaneLibrarian Місяць тому +1

      pinkerton is my favourite weezer album.

  • @Blinkptx
    @Blinkptx Місяць тому

    Rise Against video?
    Also, never was a big Weezer fan, but they played a great show when I saw them with Fallout Boy and Green Day.

  • @maxpalmer3212
    @maxpalmer3212 Місяць тому +7

    I got into weezer this year they are really good

  • @sabourovartem7304
    @sabourovartem7304 Місяць тому

    I think you're underestimating Island In The Sun - yeah, it's kinda mellow ballad, but is is also an odd remnant of the Blue/Pinkerton era in 2000s: it's a catchy pop song, quite Beach-Boys'y, and there's a mass of guitar distortion and feedback boiling just under the surface, but never quite break, but you know it's there if you listen carefully, and it's kinda beautiful.

  • @titusbc
    @titusbc Місяць тому +1

    Oh Pitchfork… its all good as they have now polished off the practice to returning to old reviews and giving new scores where often in hindsight they magically lift the rating lol.

  • @ameralameddine
    @ameralameddine Місяць тому

    I discovered them from a windows 95 CD way I found in my cousin's drawer well after it had come out. There was the video of Buddy Holly on it, such a cool and random thing to put on there.

  • @FractalRaver
    @FractalRaver Місяць тому +1

    I got my hash pipe! (Very strange lyrics in that one lol, not about hash, but the other lines lol). But it gives me a Metal-ish vibe. Also In Utero is great

  • @stephaniemccracken4850
    @stephaniemccracken4850 Місяць тому

    I think one detail worth mentioning is their original bass player Matt Sharp left after Pinkerton to form his own band, the Rentals. I feel like that's why their first 2 albums are very different, he helped write them.

  • @Punxatowny
    @Punxatowny Місяць тому

    I’m very much in the “Blue album and Pinkerton were the best things they ever made” category, but their song “memories” coupled with the Jackass music video is triple S tier. It makes me so sad and happy and nostalgic at the same time.
    Also when Modest Mouse strange history video?

  • @jcwareham81
    @jcwareham81 Місяць тому

    That part about him being disappointed the “Buddy Holly” video resulted in them being looked at comedically while instead hoping to have the same kind of impact as Nirvana makes me wonder if they took inspiration for the “Buddy Holly” video from the video for “In Bloom”.

  • @theblan1k0ne
    @theblan1k0ne Місяць тому +6

    Ok, to say that all the albums they released did well commercially but disappointed fans is almost misinformation depending on who you ask. Hurley was a commercial flop and had middling reviews across the board. Everything Will Be Alright In The End was a commercial flop despite being a return to form. It was only with the White Album where they had a return to form that not only did well critically, but commercially as well. What you’re thinking about are albums like Pacific Daydream, which were actual disappointments. If you want an actual summation of their sound, the SZNS series of EPs is probably what you’re looking for.
    Personally, this video was just alright. Would’ve loved if there was any mention of Ric Ocasek, Rick Rubin, Karl Koch, or Jake Sinclair.

    • @paisleepunk
      @paisleepunk Місяць тому +1

      wait, the video didn't even mention RIC OCASEK???

    • @theblan1k0ne
      @theblan1k0ne Місяць тому

      @@paisleepunk Surprisingly not, Ric is a crucial piece in the Weezer lore. Same with Karl Koch.

  • @lewisclark1122
    @lewisclark1122 Місяць тому

    From the later albums - The White Album, Everything Will Be Alright In The End and OK Human are really good.

  • @sammyuel7329
    @sammyuel7329 Місяць тому

    I just recently decided to start getting into Weezer, I absolutely love the blue album cause it’s a part of my childhood and my dad introduced me to it, I’ve been listening to it my whole life and I wanna start listening to their other stuff now too

  • @AlexHodgesYT
    @AlexHodgesYT Місяць тому

    another great video

  • @bobzmuda3456
    @bobzmuda3456 Місяць тому

    kinda surprised there was no mention of river's leg surgeries/complications and subsequent drg usage between the blue album and pinkerton which is why its angrier/'sloppier'

  • @BlastBeatBreakdown
    @BlastBeatBreakdown Місяць тому

    I'm glad a went to a concert where they perform they played the Pinkerton album in its entirety.

  • @gabrielalvarez7046
    @gabrielalvarez7046 Місяць тому +1

    Listening to Pinkerton for the first time right now. I’m 40.
    It just sounds more like a demo than an album.

  • @ChicoBlanca6977
    @ChicoBlanca6977 Місяць тому

    10:26 does everyone agree that's the dude from Loudwire who has the most amazing job interviewing our rock and metal idols for segments like Wikipedia: Fact or Fiction? Pretty sure his nickname or whatever is Gruhammed. I forget his actual name. I'd look for it but I'm trying not to be late for work.

  • @BeardedAvenger-hn9cf
    @BeardedAvenger-hn9cf Місяць тому

    Haven't had time to read through every comment but has anyone pointed out that emo(core) goes back to mid-80s DC: Embrace, Rites of Spring, etc.

  • @rychier6994
    @rychier6994 Місяць тому +4

    Pinkerton is their best album by far, it's incredible. Blue album and Pinkerton are still by far their best works....they lost something when they reformed.....

    • @b.w.22
      @b.w.22 Місяць тому +1

      I know it’s a really tired take, but Matt Sharp leaving really altered the balance of things. This isn’t so much because Matt had some secret sauce but because Matt seemed most able to identify and promote the Weezer in Rivers, a man who was shredding Yngwie licks a year prior. While Pat really opened River’s mind musically, it was Matt who singled out the “Weezer” songs in the 50 or so Rivers had written as demos and I think Matt always had a better sense of Weezer’s appeal than Rivers.
      Had Matt stayed, I think there may have been less Weezer albums and possibly a shorter lifetime as a band, but those albums would have likely hewed closer to what made Blue and Pinkerton so appealing, leaving the orchestral pieces and party anthems as Rivers solo work or music for a different band. It became all Rivers and I’m not sure that was always for the best.

    • @rychier6994
      @rychier6994 Місяць тому +1

      @@b.w.22 yeah Matt sharp was very important, it might be a tired take but it's def true. 🤘🤘

  • @user-mn5wk7hw9n
    @user-mn5wk7hw9n Місяць тому

    loved the blue album and pinkerton ... green album was a nice change , little 2 1/2min. songs ... some of the rentals stuff is pretty cool as well

  • @yabbadabba2887
    @yabbadabba2887 Місяць тому

    Take a listen to California Kids. I think they still can do a Blue album sound. Still, is a relative term though as Their white album came out in the mid teens. I just discovered the album after years of disenchantment following Beverly Hills

  • @St33vr
    @St33vr Місяць тому +1

    Rivers did a video series called "let's write a sawng" It was a really interesting experiment in song writing via his fans. If I remember he never finished the song, but if you are a fan, it's worth checking out.

    • @decentsleep
      @decentsleep Місяць тому

      Ackshually, he did. It's called “Turning Up the Radio” and is pretty mediocre, imho.

    • @St33vr
      @St33vr Місяць тому

      ​@@decentsleep I didn't say the song was called that. Before there was a song and a name, the video titles were called "Let's write a sawng" part 1 through 16. That is why I said he did a "Video Series" in my original comment.

  • @forgetaboutit1069
    @forgetaboutit1069 Місяць тому

    I saw Weezer in January 97’ in Columbus, OH at the Newport Music Hall a few months after Pinkerton released. I personally COULD NOT STOP listening to Pinkerton when it came out. It wasn’t as “radio friendly” as the Blue Album but I was in college and couldn’t care less! They were phenomenal live in such a small place and Matt Sharp really stole the show!

  • @dryker7085
    @dryker7085 Місяць тому

    The Angel and the One from the Red Album might very well be my favorite Weezer song. My brother's, too, who primarily listens to underground hip hop.
    I always make time to check out what Weezer puts out, but don't always care for it. I was surprised to hear Make Believe was their biggest album. Not a fan. The last album I really enjoyed of theirs was the one with the weird giant furry sloth-like creature on the cover. That had some epic shit on it. Never knew Rivers had Metal roots; after hearing that album, kinda makes sense.
    The latest albums (same cover with alternate colors, I believe) on are my Latest and Greatest playlist, and I must say, some have stuck in my head pretty bad, though I don't know if any of the tracks will make it on to my All Quality playlist.

  • @MedalionDS9
    @MedalionDS9 Місяць тому +3

    Weezer was always geek rock to me... that had a weird diversion into what some call emo on Pinkerton but were never an emo band

  • @Pabzneiz
    @Pabzneiz Місяць тому

    Please do an Everclear video. Probably one of the most compelling and real backstories I've ever heard about

  • @subparnaturedocumentary
    @subparnaturedocumentary Місяць тому +1

    i honestly didnt remember critics hating pinkerton back in the 90s when it came out i was like 14 in 96 i remember getting the cd as a gift from my aunt it was definitely popular with teenagers at the time.

  • @ghost_to_a_ghost
    @ghost_to_a_ghost Місяць тому +1

    I loved that the Windows 95 install CD rom had the vid for buddy holly in like 144p 😂👊

  • @nickkorea5850
    @nickkorea5850 Місяць тому

    im looking up all those demos Finn mentioned from Make Believe. Rivers really was meticulous

  • @madjock-ig5bv
    @madjock-ig5bv Місяць тому

    I seem to remember buying the green album at the same time as "Bridge Across Forever" by Transatlantic. I found it quite funny that Weezer's 10 songs combined was shorter than 1 of Transatlantic's (their album had 4 songs on it and lasted over 70 minutes). Both albums cost about the same which was slightly annoying though.

  • @styeiwehdeisfdo
    @styeiwehdeisfdo Місяць тому +2

    Weezer is Indie Rock because they swiped their sound and look (see the band Pavement for their look) mostly from Indie bands. The fact they're major label is immaterial because they formed in a time when majors were rampantly signing Indie bands from the jump and they were already a great accessible band. They're definitely not emo although they influenced it in the way Indie Rock did.

    • @torstenscholz6243
      @torstenscholz6243 Місяць тому +1

      They certainly also had a huge influence on the garage rock revival in the late 90s to mid-00s, as bands like The Strokes, The Hives, The Killers, etc., certainly had a lot of inspiration from Weezer.

  • @DeadPhish812
    @DeadPhish812 Місяць тому

    I would love to see you do a deep dive into They Might Be Giants a weird band with a weird history.

  • @wafteers7080
    @wafteers7080 Місяць тому

    "Keep Fishin'" will forever be a top 5 of my favorite songs of all time. I don't ever remember being disappointed by anything they did. I was honestly surprised that this video is made, because I was oblivious to their ups and downs. I guess I only ever noticed the ups.

  • @DaFort1985
    @DaFort1985 Місяць тому

    Later into their career they released Everything Will Be Alright in the End and The White Album. Both of which are phenomenal albums and are up there with Blue and Pinkerton.

  • @davei6452
    @davei6452 Місяць тому

    Props on starting a video and going right into it. Was not into waiting 4 minutes of ads and crap. Thanks. Now do a beatdown video

  • @klausherrmann3054
    @klausherrmann3054 Місяць тому

    Speaking about emo: you have never made a deep dive on Sunny Day Real Estate or Mineral. I think that these bands (which never really considered themselves as being emo) are the main contributors for the bands that came after them and clearly were thought of being emo. These bands were the main drivers of the sad harmonies and melodies (the longing feeling) in that kind of music genre in the 90s. Of course they were influenced by rites of spring etc. but they took it to another level. So please cover them, it would be great.

  • @MichaelCarroll-xo2zq
    @MichaelCarroll-xo2zq Місяць тому

    You made a Weezer video without talking about Matt Sharp? The changes in their sound seem so connected to his departure. Love most of your vids, but this is a pretty big oversight.

  • @samuelmartens2269
    @samuelmartens2269 Місяць тому

    devoted punk rock fan asking for finn's take on "SAVIORS" album from green day especially bobby sox