You're Wrong About the Valeyard
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The valeyard is not the doctor. He is of the doctor. Initially they were supposed to be a future doctor out to extend their life by any means necessary, but, because of behind the scenes drama he is an amalgimation of the darker sides of their nature, from somewhere between their 12th and final incarnation. And people have lost their sanity in the vain attempt to make that make sense. Heres a video essay where I do exactly that.
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Regardless of his concrete origin, I've always liked the idea that the Valeyard is a self fulfilling prophecy, a sort of self sustaining feedback loop. The Sixth Doctor learning about the Valeyard in the first place plants the seeds of fear and paranoia that eventually sprout into the Valeyard himself. Over half his lifetime fearing that he's destined to become a monster.
The Valeyard and the Lumiat being the repressed “personalities” so to speak of the Doctor and the Master is what makes the most sense to me personally.
People forget the first Watcher we encounter is actually in Planet of the Spiders though Kanpo had the skill to bend it to his will and use it as a dogsbody.
I’ve always just assumed the Valeyard was never a literal incarnation of the Doctor but all his evil just personified as some separate entity somehow.
Like the Lumiat
Like the Dream Lord.
The Dream Lord was created during the Doctor's 12th incarnation as an amalgamation of everything dark in his mind. And since his 11th incarnation had wasted a regeneration without creating a new incarnation, he was the 12th AND final incarnation. At least he was in the timeline where he died on Trenzalore. At which point the Great Intelligence tells us "He will have other names before the end."
I have a video on this.
So the Valeyard (I much preferred "Knacker's Yard') is a character in search of a feasible reason to exist. We never questioned when Anthony Ainley came back from the dead umpteen times with no possible escape. Ill let sleeping Valeyards lie. I dont care where he came from, just wish he'd come back
The Master: there's evil in all of us Doctor, even you. The Valeyard is a amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature. Somewhere between your 12th and final regeneration
Personally I feel the Valeyard begins with the psychic pollen, that spec of it was never gotten rid of. Perfect place for the idea to form and start.
It was gotten rid of. After they escaped the dream worlds, the Doctor collected the pollen, opened the TARDIS door, and blew it out into space.
@@DarkXavenAs if more recent Doctor Who hasn’t made even larger retcons.
I think the Matrix projection idea is the best one. It explains why the Doctor hasn't and won't actually become the Valeyard on the show, because the Valeyard never actually came from the future.
The Master says The Valeyard is a amalgamation of the darker sides of the Doctor. He's not a future incarnation/regeneration of the Doctor. The Valeyard is the darker side of all the Doctor's incarnations in one person
@@leejohnstone4663 No, the Master said he was an amalgamation of the darker sides of the Doctor "somewhere between your 12th and final incarnation". They are not "all of the Doctor's incarnations in one person" as you claim, only the final days.
In the Big Finish audio dramas Daleks Vs The War Valeyard the unanswered questions surrounding the Valeyard are finally answer. We learn about his origins and who created him
As many would know an Amalgamation is a fusion of two things and I actually came to a conclusion after watching Trial of the Time Lord,
The Valeyard is actually from an alternative timeline of the Doctor but the regeneration cycle got corrupted merging both his dark side with his next new form that suffered from post regeneration amnesia and accepted his dark side as the true self.
It's very simple. The Time Lords sifted potential futures of the Doctor to find the one who they thought would give them what they want. So there is very little guarantee the Doctor would become him but he was once the Doctor. He remembers what the Doctor has lived this far. At the end of the story he gains an independent existence. So they both exist despite having the same origin. Like two different branches from the same tree. Only now he is a cutting and can move from forest to forest on little wheels.
I love the way bernice puts it. A twisted up little fragment that fell off the back of a lorry
Holmes' original ending episode was named "Time Incorporated" and Sawards departure force Pip and Jane to rewrite it from scratch into Ultimate Foe without being legally allowed to read the original.
If the Time Lord's can resurrect the Master and give him a new cycle of regenerations and even fix John Sims then why couldn't they give the Valeyard a cycle of regenerations?
They could if they wanted to. If he succeeded in the trial I doubt they would have kept their promise and let him have his regenerations. He's made out of evil. As soon as he's not of use they'd get rid of him
The lumiat could also be used as to why we still have an evil master, during missy's "regeneration" she could have turned in to Dhawan's master and at the same time the Lumait is created, thus making The lastest incarnation of the master his most evil.
Fantastic and thorough video! Tons of interesting references. I had only seen the 6th Doctors trial and admittedly was still waiting to see if we’d ever actually see one.
I imagine the Valeyard is an alternate version of the 11th Doctor who left Trenzalore to rot
I hope we get to see the Valeyard in the RTD2 era.
I always looked at the Valyard as a possible future incarnation of the doctor. Key word being POSSIBLE.
I agree with that. I love the thematically behind it though. It started with a massive cock up and ended in a concept that keeps getting revisited. The doctor on a power kick realising what he could become and amending his ways. Love the way flip puts it. He's the doctors darth Vader.
I personally prefer the thought that it has something to do with The Meta Crisis Doctor, as if after the death of Rose he expanded his life and was searching for more regenerations since it fits well with being in between 12th and final life and it allows for the value to be a separate being from the doctor. Even if you don’t wanna make the Valleyard the Meta-Crisis Doctor, it’s still leads the ground work for his creation. Even though I doubt it was intended.
I've heard this theory before for the Meta Crisis Doctor and it makes sense. He _was_ born in battle, full of blood and anger and revenge. I can't imagine a quiet life on Earth, even with Rose Tyler, would have kept him happy his entre life.
Only problem with that is this:
The Time Lord Victorious is the Valeyard. Not only that, but the Valeyard was described by the Master as an "amalgamation of the Doctor's darkest parts". I think it's more likely the timeline splits after Waters of Mars than it being the Meta Crisis Doctor who magically found a way to exit Pete's world. Sure, it's possible, but not without leaving the universe at risk, and even if Meta Doc is full of anger and revenge and all the bad parts of war, he would _never_ put the whole universe in danger. He is still the Doctor, after all.
Thats what im betting The Valeyard could have something to do with being a future Essance of the Meta Crisis Doctor and The Tardis when the Tardis but most likely a Future tardis only when the Tardis is on the brink of destruction.
@@L1z43vr But the Waters of Mars is when the Doctor realised that the Timelord Victorious was seriously bad after what Adelaide ended up doing, after that he was redeemed which is why he sacrificed himself to save Wilf. You could say up until that point he always had the Timelord Victorious rage within him, meaning that the Meta Crisis Doctor is pre-Waters of Mars, in other words that version of the Doctor hasn't yet realised that the Timelord Victorious is a bad thing.
So the timeline splitting before Waters of Mars still makes sense, meaning the war ravaged/ broken Meta Crisis Doctor could still become the Valeyard.
Well done. I always thought the Valeyard had been wasted as a one-off in the shows.
He definitely was under used. It'd be interesting to see them bring him back
I still theorize that the meta crisis doctor (who stays in Pete's World with Rose) is the Valeyard. A version of the Doctor more prone to anger and hate, less controlled, and without regenerations of his own.
I love the idea but he doesn't look like David Tennant
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan Neither did the ancient version of the doctor in last of the time lords. :-).
@@daphargrave4384 I'd say that's a poor comparison. Everyone looks completely different after they reach old age. The guy who played the valeyard was in his 40s though. He had different cheak bones, a different chin. It'd be a bit of a stretch but if he's not a matrix projection given physical form as described in the last adventure box set, he'd most likely be a metacrisis.
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan my comparison was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. :-)
Doctor Who: Big Finish: Trial of the Valeyard parts 1 and 2 we finally get the Valeyard's origin story and he came into existence.
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Every video I watch of the Valeyard makes me feel like I could be onto something with my personal theory of how they could make the Valeyard work in New Who. Basically, I think that the Valeyard is the amalgamation of Doctor's twelve through 22 (or later depending on how they account for the Timeless Child now) trauma, pain, loss, rage, and hatred throughout his lifetime. You mention that process that Missy went through to get a good almagamation. I'll get onto how I think that works in a second.
The Valeyard clearly despises the Doctor..as in EVERYTHING he stands for. So much so that he's willing to undo the Doctor's history just to try and bring the Valeyard into existence sooner. Now, if the Valeyard is just an amalgamation like you said, then he is perhaps all of the Darkness of Doctor's 1 - 22. Either that, or he is, in fact, at the earliest, the 23rd incarnation of the Doctor. He wants to bring himself into existence sooner than he originally came into existence, so he goes back in time, targeting the incarnations of the Doctor that he thinks has "Cracks" in them, such as the 6th, 7th, and onwwards. However, he fails, and either he dies off and fades away...OR (if he is in fact just another incarnation of the Doctor) he realizes all he did wrong, overcomes his evil, and then regenerates one final time into the purest form of the Doctor that will ever exist...The Curator. Yes, I think that the Valeyard and Curator are linked somehow, and my overall theory is that the Valeyard probably comes in the incarnation right before the Curator (which I say is the Doctor's final incarnation before he finally refuses to regenerate and die of old age, where we would then be buried inside his Tardis on Trenzalore). Good video, man. I enjoyed watching.
Sorry if that was a little hard to follow. It's the end of the day for me, and my brain is cold beans right now XD.
Good comment. You have some really interesting ideas. I like the one where the valeyard is an amalgamation of the Doctor's combined trauma throught all their lives. It makes sense that he would hate everything they stand for because the doctor brings a lot of that suffering and trauma onto them self. Always choosing to fight for the underdog even if it's hopeless. They loose so much and suffer so much in their endless pursuit to help others
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan Thanks. Yeah, they really do, don't they, but that's why being the good guy is always hard. And it would be kinda poetic if they did something like this, as the Valeyard was first introduced in Trial of a Timelord, and in this instance, if the Doctor had to overcome the Valeyard aspect of his persona, that would literally make the Valeyard himself the Doctor's trial. From which he could possibly arise as the Curator, perhaps? Or just as another incarnation that's back on the right track, at least. Either way, I just hope RTD sees some value in the Valeyard as a character. I notice the character was getting mentioned more and more again in the series as Moffat carried on as writer, so I'm hopeful that we'll see some form of return for the character at some point.
@@olympicging1155 personally I like the idea that the valeyard represents what the doctor is capable of becoming. Deep down the doctor is flawed and selfish like the rest of us and to be a good person is to not indulge those impulses. To ignore them and go out of our way to help others because it's simply kind. The 12th doctor embodies this more than most. For him the valeyard is temptation, and he is tempted so much that his very face is reminder of who he really is and what standard he needs to hold himself to. He knows this and he surrounds himself with people who will hold him to that standard.
Fuck the Timeless Child. Every Doctor Who fan should collectively agree it's not canon.
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 I'm not a huge fan of it either but it happened. If it was in the extended media we could ignore it but the show is the arbiter of what is and isn't canon. It happened. All we can do is hope some talented writer makes it into something awesome one day and move on
I always took it as an off spurt, like the Doctor regenerates and then somewhere else the Valeyard appears from the evil thoughts, basically the Meta Crisis Doctor but Michael Jayston and later on
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At 12:07 tears welled up and started falling. Truly touching wrap-up💜
You did good, m8.
You gotta lower the damn piano sound though. It drowns out your voice in several parts on multiple videos.
Wait, I thought we agreed that the Dreamlord was at least an incarnation of the Valeyard. The Valeyard is to the Doctor like Mr. Hyde is to Dr. Jeckyl.
Fun video. Love the tribute to Robert Holmes.
He was one of the greats. Also a canonical doctor thanks to chibnal. If we can get one good thing out of his era I'm glad it's that
The Master says The Valeyard is a amalgamation of the Doctor's darker sides of his nature meaning he's the darker side of the Doctor's incarnations/regenerations combine into one person. No doubt the work of the Time Lord's
Maybe the RTD2 could bring the Valeyard or knackers yard back to the back yard.
This moment when crazy "Tea Time" 13th Doctor make variations of how to spell "Valeyard" in wrong way:
The Valeyard comes between the Doctor's 12th and final regeneration. The Doctor's 12th regeneration was David Tennant's Doctor into Matt Smith's Doctor
The Doctor's twelfth incarnation is technically Tennant playing the Doctor in Journey's End and after until the regeneration
@@uhmyself11111 The Doctor's 12th incarnation is David Tennant where Matt Smith was the 13th incarnation hence why the Doctor was given a new cycle of regenerations in Time Of The Doctor
At least he didn't try to do any evil doctor Kung fu.... but seriously this is prolly the best explination I've heard, to be honest I didn't know th radio drama related stuff but I liked this all.
DAMN! That was really good! and for what its worth - I think you are very right... The Valeyard is The Doctor, Sort of... I would hazard a guess that when certain events have happened that have led to The Doctor crossing in to Parallel Dimensions - Which if we look back to Nu-Who and the Age of Steel we learn was supposed to be prevented by the Time Lord's and the Doctor should NEVER have ended up meeting Cybus Industries - A Smaller darker side of himself splintered into the ethos... Never truly having physical form, but able to appear from time to time in his mind or in a more corporeal nature... But his only way of becoming real would be as he often says to remove The Doctor...
Many who only grew up with Nu-Who will think that the Doctor has never visited parallel worlds before but he has a few times in Classic Who...
As for the Valeyard ever coming back, I did find Toby Jones really kind of creepy... So I hope if he ever does and get a bigger role... That he is cast as him! (Side Note... Maybe the Valeyard already has been back, Not unlike the Doctor he has many names after all... HINT HINT: Anyone remember The Sarah Jane Adventures and THE TRICKSTER)
EDIT: IRONIC isn't it... I typed all that and found out that I may not be far wrong... While The Valeyard IS NOT The Trickster Directly, I would hazard a guess a being created from the same Pantheon... One of the many "Eternals" and as such not a singular being but many... The "Eternal Struggle" of the Doctors Mind maybe... Personified!
Great video. Thank you.
Time remnant, Savitar and Zoom were great remnants
Confusing background aside, the point of the Valeyard isn't where he fits on the Doctor's timeline. It's what he represents
you hit the nail on the head. Thats the point i was trying to drive home at the end there
RIP Michael Jayston.
I loose it whenever I hear doctor in distress
I hear that when Neil patric harris's character grabs the doctor for a waltz he singing doctor in distress
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan at least someone answered his sos
My thoughts on the Valeyard is that his origin isn't much relevant and just as flexible as the Doctor's. He's a specter, always lingering in the Doctor's future. Perhaps the Doctor has delayed his true emergence or birth or regeneration or however that might one day go. But the Doctor can never make the Valeyard an impossibility, the specter of what the Doctor could become will always remain. And so the Doctor's battle to keep their promise will go on, that everlasting battle against their own darker nature, will only end when the Valeyard wins or the Doctor dies, and perhaps those may even be the same thing, in the end.
The way I view it, there are a handful of possibilities if the Valeyard was/is The Doctor:
1. The most obvious, the Valeyard is an experimental regeneration from a now DEFUNCT timeline. After all, The Doctor changes the timeline constantly, so it would be no surprise if, just by having the trial, the timeline in which the Valeyard would have existed, ceased to exist.
2. 10/2 or a Watcher, or a Watcher that came from 10/2. The how or why, we'll likely never know.
3. The energy let off by Donna and Rose reconstituted into a Watcher-esque form, which then took and even more living type form.
4. This one is a little more complicated... the 11 outside the universe. Stay with me. When 11 rebooted the Universe, he was left outside of it. When Amy remembered The Doctor, it was "remembering him INTO existence", not back into our reality. As such there are two versions, the 11 outside the universe from the previous one, and the one Amy recreated into existence. So, the 11 outside the universe would technically be "between" the 10th part 2 and THE NEW REALITY 11th, and could easily have been attempting to extend his regenerations while falling deeper and deeper into darkness while all alone, thus becoming the Valeyard.
5. One can easily just assume that the Toymaker did it, just as he played with The Doctor's timeline creating the Timeless Child arc.
genuinely astonished to see a video of the valeyard with not one mention of the dreamlord.
I'm going to be honest, I didn't even think of that. Also on reflection he never seemed like the valeyard to me. He never seemed like a dark version of the doctor. More the Doctor's conscience if he had severe anxiety and depression.
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan Thats about half of what a dark reflection would do, the other half being doing the same thing to other people, which the dreamlord did with gusto to the ponds, so he's clearly a bit more bloodthirsty than an out of control internal monologue
Yeah I get what you mean. He does serve the same thematic role but he's not the valeyard in my view. He was sort of the 11th doctors darkness rather than the darkness of every incarnation past and future. I view the character as a manifestation of the Doctor's darkness but also his ambition and regret. He is the doctor in a sense. He has every advantageous attribute but untethered by morality. I think the 6th doctor audio companion flip put it best. Hes darth Vader. Hes what the doctor would be in an alternate universe if he turned to the dark side. Hes what the doctor could be and keeps nearly becoming. Time Lord victorious, good man goes to war. The 6th doctor early in his tv run. Each time he steps too close to the darkness he needs a mirror held up to him to hold him back, and keep him accountable. Sometimes it's river song, sometimes an astronaught commits suicide, sometimes it's some bastard in a dream messing with his companions, sometimes it's a guy with a ponytail and a scull cap spitting court jargon. I honestly would prefer that he didn't come back because the purpose his character serves is far more interestingly served in other ways.
OKAY OKAY SO regardless of your opinions on bigeneration, it is absolutely an explanation for the existence of the Valeyard!
The master said somewhere between 12th and final regeneration (the master had no way of knowing if the 11th doctor was actually 11th or 15th (both played by David Tennant, if you include war doctor and a regeneration of hand)
As both looked the same
Sad, if the Valeyard turned out to be the actual real Doctor, from before the Hartnell saga...
All I know is - it could have given us an interesting story arc for the end of the Doctor's original lives, but instead we got a Christmas special with a bunch of make up.
It’s a joker like origin story because there are multiple versions through him being used in expanded universe stuff like the audio dramas that aren’t canon to the show and I do think he is returning in the 60th anniversary as the role Neil Patrick Harris is playing cause he looks like the character when the doctor first encounters the valeyard after going into the matrix at the end of the trial of a timelord
Its more likely he's playing the toy maker. The publicity shots have him in a toy shop and a plaque that says toy maker of the year and a few more obvious things. As for the canon status of the audios it's sort of second tier to the show. Anything big finish does is canon until the show says otherwise. Like the 8th doctor and all of his companions mentioned in Night of the doctor, their stories are canon. The rest is canon until proven otherwise. But given how the story I referenced was the regeneration episode of the 6th doctor, I'm willing to consider it as canon as doctor who gets
I love your comparison to the joker. Its perfect, and like the joker I think his origin and his nature should remain ambiguous. The thematic role that he plays as a warning or a wake up call for the doctor when they start going down a bad path, I think, is far more important and why I think he kept coming up in the moffat era. The 11th doctor had the best intentions but the road to hell is paved with those and he was also bought his own hype. The 12th doctor was just as bad but he also had a dark side that he was constantly at war with, so much so that his face had to serve as a constant reminder that he is supposed to be the good guy.
No mention of the Great Intelligence namedropping the Valeyar in The Name of the Doctor..?
Why would I?
My video talks about the original intent and thematic role the valeyard plays as the Doctor's shadow. The great intelligence said the doctor will be known as the valeyard and in a way he is. The valeyard is essentially the doctor but only a part of him. He's his darker side split off and given physical form.
The great intelligence could have also been mistaken. Hes not infallible and there were characters like the master calling the valeyard the doctor so its understandable.
There’s also the Shadow of the Valeyard name drop which feels like a reference to the Doctor being separate but connected somehow
Nice.
Hand of Fear was Bob Baker and Dave Martin. You forgot The Ribos Operation too,
I assumed he was a 4D clone of the Doctor who was created by the Time Lords as a weapon since they as a society to not interfere they have the Valeyard as a back up which would explain the shadow house and the Faction Paradox links...
I know this video is a little old at this point, but we got 2 different mention of the valeyard in the modern era, 3 if you include the dream lord as a reference. Once for 11 and once for 12, both naming the doctor himself as the valeyard.
Like I said he is of the doctor but not the doctor himself. He's a version of the doctor. An off shoot, a twisted little fragment that fell off the back of a lorry. Hes got the same history, the same memories, so from a certain point of view you could say he's the doctor but the doctor isn't the valeyard
I believe Matt Smith's Doctor who was his 13TH Incarnation made The Valeyard as a clone of himself but with all the regeneration's in the matrix on Trenzelore while using the portal to his little bubble containing Gallifrey but the Timelord's stopped him and forced the clone to be a fusion of all the Doctor's evil and dark aspects of every one of his forms including the timeless children and all the forms past Matt Smith and inbetween those to points but the Doctor knowing this tried to delete the Valeyard but only erased his regeneration's so then the Timelord's sent the Valeyard back to be in the trial and promised the Regeneration's of the sixth Doctor while also sealing the capability to create another Valeyard from Matt Smith's Doctor
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@@thatDamnAusWhoFan oh, you joking or did I explain that horribly
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan rewrite it should make a bit more sense now
An interesting idea, but we already got a version of the valeyard with 11. He was the dream lord in the episode Amy's choice. He was a manifestation of the darker aspects of the doctor from somewhere between his 12th and final incarnation.
The Timelord Victorious should be connected. It's a classic tale of anti-villain
Personally I think it works best as it's own thing. The valeyard is a full on evil incarnation. The time lord victorious is a moment or temptation where he breaks all his rules to get a happy ending, and is immediately confronted with why he has those rules.
That time lord victorious extended media thing was cool though. Should do a video on that at some point
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan Well it atleast could influence the creation of him or inspire him on the wrong path as his clone
If there ever is a sequel, perhaps there could be a sad twist on the Master's long held desire to defeat the Doctor, wherein the Lumiat is forced to kill the Valeyard. Could be a good scene if done right.
Could be interesting but I don't think it's likely to happen. He already had a good ending in the brink of death when the 6th doctor foiled his plan to trap the doctor in the matrix seconds away from being erased by turning the tables and trapping him there instead.
The Vaylard is the friends we make along the way.
I love this
Temnant 14th Split Doctor - Will become the Valyard before Ncuti regenerates... 😛🤣
The Doctor is the Other
The valyard is an emaglimation of fortnight ticktock and most in portently that sweet ad revenue.
Meh I like the idea the dream Lord found a way out of the doctors mind 12&13th incarnations aclfter all also incarnations not regeneration ls like the 11th regen 10 had. Anyway I think they at least considered it making the episode like oh we could elude this might be the valeyards origin we're in the right incarnation after all but keep it vague comics n audio van expand later if they want
I also believe the Enemy to be the father of the Doctor or the being the time Lord's caged in the beginning of time, that created in its attempt to be free of it's prison, the Doctor, or the Timeless Child, whom is the name of the Time Lord's and their saviour....
The doctor is the villain and the prisoner and not a true time lord
I think, the Doctor is not the Protagonist but the Antagonist, who is a living Paradox in time, and the being the Time Lord's imprisoned, then shattered to limit his power, in fact I'd say the Doctors whole Gallifreyian History is actually a prison to limit his powers and whom they know he can actually be which is why he has the Memory issues because they are all fake and his companions represent his actual cage to remind him that he is a prisoner but also the fact he can never be aware of who he truly is.
The Valeyard was the part of the Doctor who believes the Gallifreyian History to be true. It maybe that The Doctor is unaware he is more than a time lord yet within the Shadow House he was split into multiple beings... Valeyard is the Time Lord part the part of The Doctor that truly wishes to be a Time Lord with Time Lord Limits not the Godly being he was before The Shobooga Tecteun, had altered from his original species which the Merlin Doctor is the Closest to the being he should have been before the time Lord's.
In fact I believe the First Doctor, knew his true origins and gave hints he was more than what he appeared to be
Oh yeah, lets just kick the interesting actual evil doctor version out of a speeding car on a highway on favour pf "he's just his negative traits spookin about the place being shite" 😂
I'm just going by what the episode actually says he is. Sorry you fell in love with an idea nobody had
I think the whole point of the 12th Doctor's character arc is about him not taking on the role of the Valeyard. We're past the Valeyard now so he should never show up
New Who isn't canon. It's bad fanfic with a budget
@@PatGunn Controversial
@@PatGunn- Unfortunately Sutech just proved you wrong... 😉
Tennant's 14th split Doctor will become the Valyard - Mel suddenly showing up and Tennant having DEEP regrets on how he's managed things as he walks off with Donna - are clues...
Mrs Flood is a good candidate for a future regeneration of Tennant's split Doctor she can fly a Tardis the trailer to this season finale explains - and remember, the Tardis split in 2... 😉
@@BassandoForte there are only 7 canonical doctors. New Who is just a fanfic.
@@PatGunn - You just hope that's true...
The 70s and 80s episodes were much more woke than today anyway (I know what you're trying not to say)...
Genesis of the Daleks - very racially orientated and the Green Death was hugely environmentally aware..
Unfortunately Rose Tinted Glasses tend to make people go mentally blind... 😉🤣👍
The 13th doctor of the first regeneration cycle who thought he was going to die was 11
He was the 12th really. 10 regenerated, used the energy to heal himself but put the rest in his hand so he didn't have to change, and un yhe story I was referencing it was thought the doctor regenerated one more time than was allowed and it made him go loopy. Unlucky number 13
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan “regenerated one more time than he was allowed..unlucky number 13” but Timelords ARE allowed 13 lives. They can regenerate 12 times. “ Their first life plus 12 is 13. 13 Silly Doctors” as 11 puts it.
The Valeyard is canon. New Who isn't.
Canon is such a flexible concept for this show that everyone basically has to invent their own. Your's is just as valid as anyone else's
Dream Lord. Is the Valeyard
Thats what i thought since he has similar traits and abilities that match him such as side to side teleportation.
now hear me out: the dream lord
One take its a real shame didn't come true was... Jodie Whittaker was the Valeyard.
She isn't kind, she can barely even bring herself to comfort a cancer victim. She's also the perfect opportunity for the offshoot. The moment Capaldi had regenerated, the TARDIS threw her out. What if the real doctor was still in the TARDIS, unconscious from the stress of regenerating and fragmenting?
Unfortunately, Chibs was such a talentless hack,he didn't think of anything like that, instead doing his damnedest to destroy the show.
i dont know where to start with this. not a fan of the stuff he did with the show or the canon but I dont for a second think Chibnal was trying to destroy the show. His ideas were just bad. Never assume malice where stupidity is more likely.
That episode with graham talking to the doctor about his cancer fears, was about mindfulness. Each character had a mental health issue they had to deal with. Graham connected recovering from cancer with grace and now shes gone he fears hes going to get sick again. He decides to talk to the doctor about it and She pretty much said sorry im not good at this. i cant be what you need right now, but ill likely think of something that i should have said that would be helpful for you to hear now, later, so ill let you know when that happens. One handicap this doctor has is her understanding of social situations and emotional intelligence. You call it heartless, I call it the neurodivergent incarnation of the doctor.
I'm neurodivergent, I find this relatable. I never know what to say in the moment but I usually think of something i could have said later when its too late and the moments passed. She wasnt being cruel or careless, she was being honest with him.
Or unless The Valeyard's origins and Darker sides could come directly from none other than the darker sides of none other than the one n only Rassilon himself instead of the Doctor.
I don't think rassilon has much to do with the valeyard but he'd be a perfect big bad for doctor who. Like the thanos of the whoniverse
Why does whovians think The Valeyard is a future incarnation/regeneration of the Doctor?
The 12th doctor just buy generated
Time lords don't need to purchase regeneration
Um. In what universe was Trial the final season of classic Who? You are aware that there were three further seasons - with another Doctor - after it, aren't you? Or is it just that you need to speak more clearly and mix your voice a bit higher so we can understand what you're saying?
Thats a bit rude. I never said it was the last season. It was canceled in 1985 and put on hiatus after a massive public outcry. In 86 they released trial, only for Michael grade, (the head of the bbc) to attempt to cancel it again. He had it out for the show, but more public outcry forced them to put it on another hiatus, bringing it back in 87 with a brand new doctor. I'll talk slower in the next one for you.
@@thatDamnAusWhoFan at about 02:35 you said the BBC brought it back for one more season before canning it altogether. Grade did hate the show (I remember it well) but the 1985 hiatus was the only one. There was no cancellation per se in 1985 - the money allocated to Doctor Who was diverted to the then-new BBC soap, EastEnders, and Who was taken off air for a refresh. After the Trial season JN-T was instructed to replace Colin Baker but there was no "cancellation" until the very quiet announcement in 1990 that the production office had closed. By this time, Jonathan Powell, the former head of drama had taken over as Controller of BBC1, making a bit of a pig's ear of it, so the final decision had nothing to do with Grade, who had moved on to Channel Four by then, making a bit of a pig's ear of that. Powell was really the power behind the 1985 hiatus. He hated Who and he hated JN-T, saying he wanted him to "fuck off... or die, really". A very nasty man. He famously stated in the 90s that "science fiction isn't popular", showing how intensely on the pulse he was with public opinion just months before BBC2 started showing The X-Files.
But I got out of the wrong side of bed this morning so I'll apologise for being grumpy and rude.
Apology accepted. Having not been around at the time I can only go by what was written about that time. From wjat I could gather, it was put on a second hiatus of 18 months after trial. Perhaps the tardis wiki has it wrong, but from wjat I could tell initially it was cancelled and only brought back by letter writing campaigns and fans threatening to picket the bbc with daleka. I found this corroborated by secondary sources, so I put it in the video. I'll link one of them below.
blog.lovarzi.co.uk/why-was-doctor-who-cancelled-in-1985/#:~:text=But%20was%20Doctor%20Who%20cancelled,in%20Grade's%20Room%20101%20interview.
Because it wasn't, because Master did between the 12th and final Doctor, that's why David Tenant is the 14th Doctor hence the Valeyard, Could he be the Valeyard in disguise.
At the very edge of the universe, on the border of Kraken dark space...where all things are possible. The release of over a billion years of darkness, pain and rage in one brutal moment can create a horror that makes even celestial gods run away and hide...it wasn't just the trick with the salt
He made a jigsaw of the doctors past. I will forever be in awe of that one off hand remark. It fixes every continuity fuck up in the shows history
14 was that iteration of the doctors final regeneration...