The ongoing gag where you start enthusiastic and then are informed something isn't available until postgame and then declare "This thing is horrible!" never ceases to amuse me, gives me a chuckle every time. Take my like and a cheeky sub sir.
The only problem I've ever had with Heracross is trying to figure out what to fill the beautiful beetle's slot with when I replay and try to do a different team. No matter how much I fight it, the wonderful bug just can't be replaced.
1:48:17 that kangaroo in question is none other than Roger, the alpha male at a popular Australian nature reserve. Sadly he passed away some years ago but I'm happy to inform that his son Monty is just as ripped
Guts is a classic example of people thinking a nuzlocke strat is universally applicable. When you're a) playing a harder romhack, b) forced to get an early game encounter, and c) have to tryhard the boss fights like crazy or risk losing everything and starting over, then yeah, guts ratatta is the encounter. For a normal playthrough, its overkill for way too much effort
Guts is good in the sense that you shouldn’t exactly be relying on it, but every once in a while when a NPC does manage to status you, it’s a nice little bonus to have.
@@yournobody6487 Did their comment hit a nerve of you? How are nuzlockes not try hard playthroughs? You are inflicting self imposed handicaps that are in no way necessary in order to get a higher difficulty. That sounds like try harding to me. That can be fun but lets be honest here. Also if you try to insult someone of being brain dead, you really shouldn't do it by trying to flex that you do harder playthroughs of a childrens game. It makes you look pretty pathetic.
Took me a bit to get my brain in gear for this tier list next to all the nuzlocke tier lists, but then I flashed back to being a kid clicking super effective moves on my overlevelled favourite and this made perfect sense. Great stuff
I love when you explain meanings in the Japanese names for the pokemon that were lost in translation that’s really neat. I also enjoy your passion in debating commenters over which fake creature sucks. Keep up the good work!
IIRC Sacred Fire is physical just because Ho-Oh's Attack stat is higher than its Sp.Atk. Gyarados also gets Aqua Tail at Lv.35 in Gen IV. You don't even need to wait for Waterfall. You can access Cerulean Cave before beating the Lance rematch and Red, so you can grab Mewtwo specifically for the final battle, and as it comes in at Lv.70 and it's Mewtwo, it's already strong enough to take them on. The only Pokemon locked behind Red are the Kanto starters from Oak, the Hoenn starters that Steven gives you, and Kyogre/Groudon, as Oak only gives you the Orbs after you beat Red. The Birds being at Lv.50 means they're not _awful_ if you go and grab them as soon as you get to Kanto, but you've got to do the Radio Tower sidequest first. Also there's Latias/Latios, which you can get after the Copycat sidequest in Kanto, but they're Lv.35 for some reason so not really worth it.
@@ImportedCheese: Isn't the animation for Sacred Fire just a flashy version of Flame Wheel? I always took those two moves as being the physical counterparts to Fire Blast and Flamethrower.
Ah yes, SoulSilver. I remember it well. I chose Chikorita. He had an Attack lowering nature. Later realised I had nothing good against flying or fire types. So I caught a Geodu- Onix. I caught an Onix. Traded over a pair of Ariados from Pokemon Pearl to breed a Spinarak for my team. Why? No other reason than I like Ariados. I just think they're neat. It didn't stay permanently. Realised I had nothing good against Whitney, as all of my team was male and thus susceptible to Attract, or straight up weak to Rollout... except the team's lord and saviour, Onix, who was female. Promptly traded her to Pokemon Pearl, gave her a Metal Coat, then traded her back to SoulSilver. Had a female Steelix at less than level 20. I laughed. Whitney cried. She had no power over my team any more. Immediately thereafter, realised that by evolving Onix I'd just made my then only counter to fire types... weak to fire again. Cried a bit. My final team fir defeating the Elite Four ended up being Nidoqueen (with Rivalry, not Poison Point), Fearow, Steelix, Lanturn, Umbreon and Dragonair. I can practically hear Imported Cheese's disapproval from here.
Another good thing about Feraligatr is that if you choose Totodile, you do force your rival into having his higher level mon be Chikorita so that has to count for something.
Fun fact about clefable in competitive, it didn't even need the fairy type to be good, in gen 4 it's already amazing, and magic guard is even better since, exclusively in gen 4, it makes you immune to being fully paralyzed
bro i like this trailer you made, ah the memories of that ridiculous slowpoketail merchant, ridiculous yet funny at the same time, the music as well, dang, that triggers so much good nostalgia. edit: I love your genuine surprised reaction when you said "hey man, where you get that Dragonite?" the acting is spot on for the Dragonite.
I love Grandbull but Ursaring in gen 2, especially if you’re playing Crystal, outclasses it in basically every single way, maybe not worth it when you get it so late in gs, but in Crystal you can get a Teddiursa before the first gym.
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked yup. Tediursa is hiding in Dark Cave, in the mornings, and that route north of route 29 you can catch a level 2-3 Phanpy too (also in the morning). but these pokemon have a chance to run away from you like a safari zone pokemon, so you got to be patient with them, and just throw balls at them, and not damage them.
This list makes some very good points, but if it isn’t the quintessential Johto experience to fight Lance’s comically underlevelled Dragonite with like, a Yanma or some shit, I’ll be damned LOL. Me & Sunflora going to struggle like we’re playing Elden Ring. Good video as per usual dude! :)
Thank you so much for these videos, Cheese. They are awesome to watch over and over. I have been following in game tier lists since around gen 5/6, and it has always been very interesting. Pokemon games are meant to be replayed many times, this gives a lot of opportunities to try new pokemon or ways to play. Please do more. Don't be afraid that you will run out of games to do in game tier lists. There are dozens of fan games that you can cover as well, like renegade platinum. Or some spin-off ones like mystery dungeon. I hope that one day you can also cover SMT games like Nocturne.
Beyond The Distant Skies playing when mons end up really horrendously bad due to no stone or otherwise is peak theming. Thank you, Mr Cheese. Very cool.
I appreciate the explanation of the Stat EXP to EV change + removal of badge boosts and how they impact the game, so few people seem aware of it and how Stat EXP + badge boosts made Gens 1 and 2 even easier.
I'm pretty convinced that ledian's physical attack and special defense accidentally got swapped somehow. Why does this punching pokemon have THIRTY FIVE BASE ATTACK? It's got four fists! WHY DOES IT HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND TEN SPECIAL DEFENSE? They gave it iron fist as a hidden ability, I guess just as an insult? Like to mock it, rub in how bad its attack is? 20% extra power on punches, increasing its effective attack from 35 to 42............................................ why
Seriously... like, maybe if Iron Fist had been its original ability, since when abilities were first introduced in gen-3 the elemental punches would have at least still been coming off a marginally better base 55 special attack. Ledian would have still been really bad either way, but at least it could have maybe had a short-lived low tier niche.
The 110 Sp Def isn't exactly unique/strange for a "fighting" Mon given all 3 Hitmons have it as well That isn't to say Ledian, along with most of Gen 2's competitive designs and stat distributions aren't complete shit (hence the Gen 4 "retcon" evolutions) , just that there's some logic to that specific stat.
Even if Venomoth isn't the best, I still love running it in my HGSS teams. Tinted Lens and not missing out on good moves during the main story made it better than Yanma. I run Psybeam/Signal Beam/Sleep Powder/Sludge Bomb. Its shiny form is beautiful btw.
@@Hazel_B4 Yanma is meh and Yanmega only starts to shine only by postgame. Its best moves in HGSS which are Bug Buzz and Air Slash are learned at like LV54 and LV57. Shame since it is also another good Tinted Lens user.
Cool video. You obviously didn't know I was going to listen to this whole thing audio only, but you still did a really good job of vocally announcing all the pokemon and all the ranks. I think there was a less than a half dozen times you said something like "This one, goes here!" leaving me trying to remember Pokedex orders and trying to deduce who comes before or after someone else, haha
@@ImportedCheese Yeah I would say I am in the significant minority, but if I listen at a time I can't use my eyes, such as driving or exercising; I can consume a lot of content I wouldn't otherwise have been able to fit into my schedule
I can't believe he snubbed Snubbull. Everyone knows Snubbull gets quick feet, so just go into battle pre paralyzed and outspeed everything with a massive 67.5 speed stat.
Ayyyyy happy to see more of your vids man. Keep it up. Btw your Irastoya vid was very helpful. I saw them a lot when I was studying japanese but never got the chance to learn the name :/
When I played the original gen 2 games as a kid, I knew you got Espeon from max friendship, so I assumed for Umbreon you needed max, uhh, hatred? I made my Eevee faint over and over and I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't evolve. And I mean the move Frustration exists so young me can't be blamed entirely lol
the red gyarados upsets me because it's insanely good (it will actually solo the entire league if you get ddance) but it's such a fucking exp sink that you'll still get level curved in the endgame even if you only use 4 pokemon
Defensive utility becomes more valuable in a nuzlocke run, but god damn does Chikorita become a boss, screens and leech seed help keep your pokemon survive
Unrelated to the tier listing, but as a young man I had a dream where I got to hug an entei. And I still remember the warm fluffiness of it's fur until this very day.
Typhlosion will always be my fave gen-2 starter, but the physical special split did it so dirty. Meanwhile, Feraligatr made out like a boss, not to mention one of the very few starters in the entire franchise that can fully solo a game without even needing any HM mules on the bench. Honestly, I'd be very tempted to rank Feraligatr at the very pinnacle of S-tier, maybe even give it a tier above all to itself, but at the very least its position should be swapped with Typhlosion. As for Meganium, you were far more generous to it than I would have been. It might be a starter, but its stats are so mediocre, grass typing is so bad (especially in Johto), and the thing doesn't get any meaningful coverage. Should really be at least one tier lower.
These Tier lists are amazing. I really like them. I hope you continue doing stuff like this. Using your gen 3 tier list I just did a replay of emerald! Decided to take your advice and Holy crap the game is so much easier. Though I do like some of my own choices over what's meta. Blaziken, Magneton, Crobat, Flygon, Lunatone, Ludicolo. Before you ask why Lunatone? It's my wife's favorite so it's a must have lol. It's also alright!
27:07 ‘guts related comments’ Pokémon challenges uses it because he does really difficult nuzlockes, he doesn’t have level advantages and is forced by circumstance to use these mediocre Pokémon, yet people conflate these ridiculous nuzlockes with standard playthroughs
Just as I did for the FRLG tier list, here is a list of all the tier changes going from the GSC video to this one: Cyndaquil, Totodile buffed from A to S Spearow, Scyther buffed from B to A Sentret buffed from C to B? Unless that entire bit was a joke in which case tiering unchanged from GSC Weedle, Igglybuff, Ekans, Paras, Pineco, Koffing, Umbreon, Gligar, Teddiursa, Phanpy nerfed from C to D Geodude, Gastly nerfed from S to A Cleffa, Mr. Mime, Jolteon, Doduo buffed from K(anto) to B Sandshrew, Jynx, Dratini nerfed from B to C Mareep nerfed from A to B Poliwrath, Politoed, Slowbro, Slowking, Tentacool, Chinchou nerfed from B to Sea Gyarados, Heracross buffed from A to S Goldeen, Psyduck, Krabby, Shellder, Seel, Horsea, Mantine buffed from C to Sea Ditto...added to the list and put in D? I could just be blind but I'm not seeing Ditto in D tier, (K)anto tier or Unown tier in the older video and it's certainly no higher than that so congrats on being remembered Ditto! Welcome to D tier! Nidoran male, Nidoran female, Rhyhorn buffed from C to B Yanma, Aipom, Lickitung buffed from D to C Grimer, Flareon, Ponyta, Slugma buffed from K(anto) to D Marill buffed from D to Sea Diglett, Cubone, Kangaskhan, Murkrow, Misdreavus, Larvitar buffed from K(anto) to C Tyrogue evolutions nerfed from B to D although the old tiering was likely due to misremebering how to acquire Tyrogue Electabuzz, Sneasel, Porygon, Chansey effectively kept in the same tier just renamed from K(anto) to Unown Dungeon Natu nerfed from B to D Qwilfish, Remoraid, Vaporeon buffed from K(anto) to Sea Staryu buffed from C to A Skarmory buffed from K(anto) to D but as mentioned in this very video, Skarmory is not actually exclusive to Kanto in GSC so with that in mind, Imported Cheese's tiering for it in those games is likely a C or D Snorlax nerfed from B to Unown Dungeon Suicune nerfed from S to Unown Dungeon Quite a few more changes going from GSC to HGSS compared to the transition from RBY to FRLG
I don't know how you do it but the way you pronounce certain words or sentences just makes me burst into hard, loud laughter. Amazing, amazing content thank you. As a grass type lover I am very sad tho. Why is it so bad. So sad.
This is based on completing the game in an expedient manner, as he says repeatedly through the video. The only thing that matters unless you're intentionally making the game longer is one-shotting everything, and XP is somewhat limited so you're best to just pump it all into one or two heavy hitters, and once again due to EVs the most efficient strategy really is to do the tried-and-true 8 year old illiterate strats of curbstomping everything with your 20 levels higher starter Pokemon. Game Freak made the games this way. If you want to play something that isn't braindead go play Radical Red or something.
If Feraligatr doesn’t get its own tier, we riot. Like seriously, once you get past Sprout Tower, there’s nothing that can beat Gatr 1v1 with the right set and item. Surge? EQ + Scarf. Erika? Rhindo and Ice Fang.
I played a run where I randomised and upped the levels of trainers; despite Falkner having a lv 23 Farfetched, Chikorita turned out to be the MVP with poisonpowder because the Dratini i started with kept losing. It was so bizarre. Then Bugsy had a Rhydon which Bayleef swept. I got so attached to it that I kept it to the end of the run, and thus spent the rest of the game slamming my head against the wall anytime I ran into a single ice type. I also had Charizard but Ice/Water meant death.
Although I agree with Hoothoot's ranking, I do want to point out that Noctowl actually serves as the perfect counter to Morty. With Insomnia and Confusion, I basically wiped the floor with him with little trouble. The Normal typing makes it immune to Ghost-type moves and his Hypnosis/Dream Eater strategy is completely totaled by Insomnia. He could only touch me with Sucker Punch, and that only has 5 PP. Confusion is also super effective against his entire team. So if for some reason, you're struggling with Morty and don't want to overlevel or something, I'd suggest getting a Noctowl for this fight. It's not really a great Pokemon, but seeing it excel in this battle really made me like it, because I usually have some trouble with Morty because I try to keep my team at the level of the Gym Leaders. Also, I like owls, so that's why I had it on my team in the first place.
I can't believe how dirty they did my bois, Honchkrow and Gliscor. Remember when you could just evolve pokemon before finishing the game? Still the best games in the series though.
The Pokéwalker was my first venture into engineering. When I realised thtat it can be tricked by shaking it I crafted a machine that kinda looked like an oil pump and it actualy f***ing worked ^^
31:18 The funniest part of using the Shuffle icon here is that Ariados is unironically like. the third best Bug type there. Above average max attack power and has the highly useful Block Shot. Send him back from whence he came so he can be useful
Grass Poison tends to be better in-game because not only do you do well against Water but you do well against opposing grass types which are very common in the in-game play through. If I had a choice I'd take Victorybell every time over the others for accessibility alone. Definitely worth that leaf stone grind.
"it so available that they toss themselves at you" Trainer: *steps once in the cave because they forgot to put on repel before going in* Zubat: PLEASE LOVE MEEEE *Yeet on to you** Zubat 2: MARRY MEEEEEEEE *Yeet on to you** Zubat3: HAVE MY CHILDREN!!!
If Chansey was a Fairy type they would be impossible to kill, because the gimmick is that essentially you accept death from Fighting types because the weakness corresponds perfectly with your weak defense Being a Fairy Type you would depend on Steel and Poison to kill them, which would mean you wouldn't kill them because both types are horrendous offensively
Alright the premium 😀 I was like an hour late to the live version but still enjoyed that time and gonna enjoy this. So much content to look forward to as well like the rest of the gen 3 and 4 tier lists as well as whatever else is being worked behind the scenes for us!
Slugma I might be a bit insane here but I would say I defend it here a little. I think it might be a good earlygame Pokemon like the Bugs. It learns Rocktrow at Lv 11 and has Flamebody. Effective against Falkner, 4x Effective against Bugsys Ace, and Flamebody cripples Miltank. Eventually... You discart it, probably for Magmar, way before it evolves, but it is not bad for the first few Gyms. Chikorita. Yeah, I personaly had no Problems playing whit it, and I think the Stats are still high enough to do well, but its certainly not a good Starter. But from my Experience Snivy was much harder to make work, it was never a good Switch in. Dont matter if its individually better, if everything around it sucks. Lediba. I wish they could do something. I think they have Battonpass, and that makes for a decent Movepool, but you wont setting up much if you are getting oneshotted. And you dont want to, against everything what cant oneshot you. Togepi. Oh yeah, I traded the Evo Stone for my 8. Gymbattle to have one. Pretty cool Pokemon. Onix. OK im not defending him, but looking at Whitney, shes so taff you cant beat her whit brute Force unless your leveling up hard. That encouraging you to play creative and test things out. Onix whit Rock type and Screech could be a realy cool methode of beating her. I can think of at least 10 other Pokemon who could wear her down as well, but thats one of it. Maril I realy like how it turns better and better in every single Generation. But talking about rare Encounters, did you thought about the Pokewalker and what Pokemon it gives you? I myselfe dont have it in my Head, but it might give you early access to some Pokemon. I think the Crow Pokemon was actually one of this early access Encounters. Magmar Cant it learn Thunderpunch in Gen 2? Its of no Consequence here but it makes him a but better there.
he did adress the pokewalker on the livestream; he isn't factoring it in for this. i think due to a combination of the pokewalker being time consuming and the fact that alot of gen 4 players have no way to use the pokewalker because emulator
@@gypsysprite4824 Ahnthats fair I guess. Dont think its to hard to get pokemon there, and on Emulator you can cheat anyway. Buuut its a pain in the Ass to look up what unlooked whit it.
On the topic of Magneton and Magnezone, you can only get Magnezone in Kanto by leveling up Magneton once at the power plant you get Zapdos after you defeat Red. This COULD be useful if you’re still planning on taking on Misty, Brock if you want some Magnet Pull cheese, Blue, and Red. Other than that though, Magneton is a decent option for the majority of the game.
They replaced the slots with Voltorb Flip to avoid subjecting kids to gambling. All they really did was give a whole generation of kids anger issues and adults further reasons to emulate
23:35 You're meant to deliver the mail Kenya is holding to another NPC in exchange for a TM. In both Gen 2 and Gen 4 you can give the mail to another pokemon and it works fine, and in fact in Gen 4, if you attach the mail to a different pokemon, you get the reward and you don't even lose the pokemon, allowing you to entirely legitimately keep Kenya in your party while still completing that little side quest.
Also Geodude, Kenya, and Muscle, and maybe Sudowoodo and Rocky (yes, the Oooooooonix, never waste time catching one, just catch Bellsprout and trade) to pad out the early team and keep Raikou, Entei, and Gyarados's thrones warm for them.
1:15:40 Creepy Nuts is the name of a Japanese hip-hop unit. I don’t listen to their music that much, but their music I have listened to (I.e. the OP and ED for the anime “Call of the Night”) is very snappy & packed to the brim w/energy. That ad was just a collab where they wrote a song for a Zone commercial.
I’ll never understand GameFreak’s decisions when it comes to move pools, evolution levels, Stat Distributions and Pokémon availability. They did such a terrible job the first 4 generations. Take Venonat for example. It should have a higher BST since it’s evolution is so late. At least 480 with 110 Sp. ATK and 100 SPD. Also, it should definitely have been a Bug/Psychic type with access to Psychic upon evolution or level 37 or something. Imagine a Venomoth with Tinted Lens, a wide move pool, and decent Sp. Atk. It could have been a potential sweeper after a Quiver Dance. I wish that GF’s obsession and pandering with Gen 1 wasn’t limited to Pikachu, Eevee and Charizard. There are so many Pokémon that needed to be adjusted but didn’t get any love.
I've been speculating that as far as what gets time for development in a new pokemon game (and I could talk about how a lot of the game(s) don't necessarily get enough development time) but whatever does, it's probably move sets and stats that come in towards the end. like at least a few really outstanding mons probably get enough time to be made properly, and as the generation go on, more and more pokemon find it easier to get good basic moves due to expanding move sets, more moves and more tms. but I think in many generations, especially early, it'd be easy to imagine that nobody can necessarily sit down to look at what each pokemon has for stats, what moves best suit it for both power and for flavor, etc. plus so many are just damned to having bad bst that don't make them as good. so yeah, lots of pokemon are left out in the cold and it's much easier for players or fans of certain critters to see where that critter could have been done better.
The Pokeathlon also sells the Metal Coat, and because of that I managed to get a Scizor before Kanto. Everyone assumed I hacked it because they all ignored the Pokeathlon
Man this kinda snapped my nostalgia glasses in half. The teambuilding options in HGSS is horrible. And it's multiple tiers below Platinum imo. Johto is still a vibe but man I hope they fix this when it gets remaked again.
@@ImportedCheese Johto music still S Tier at least 😎 No but seriously, Johto is still my second favorite reason but like you said I'd understand if someone said they didn't like it due to the roster. But BDSP added a ton of Platinum mons super early into the game (like Hondour) so maybe the next Johto remake will do the same.
It’s fun trying to teambuild an all-Johto team because they’re almost all so bad that you’re bound to end up using some trash just to figure out how bad it is lol Painful roster, just painful. Some are bangers though!
Teambuilding options are great in HGSS...for people looking to make this easy game less easy (looking at you, Natural Gift Chikorita, Rocky the Onix, Friend Ball Crobat, Gen 4 Dunsparce...)
Soul Silver is legitimately the best Pokemon game, for people that don't replace the dry battery in old cartridges this is the best way to enjoy the nostalgia of what was meant to be the end of pokemon. The rest of the series is a money grab of test gimmicks like humanoid designs
I know Espeon isn't as good as Kadabra, but I like her so much that I use her anyway. And I can safely report that she has barely any trouble annihilating everything with psybeam/shadow ball.
1:50:00 funnily enough about the word Honcho is that I’ve written a paper on its origins before! It’s super interesting because it was originally heard by prisoners of war during the Second World War, who brought it back to America after the occupation of Japan. The first ever published version of Honcho is from a veteran’s diary that got published
Love that out of the best pokemon in the game, the only Johto mons are: starters, legendaries, a worse Tauros, and the god Heracross. No wonder my Johto teams always ended up looking like Kanto teams.
So the thing about Shellder with Skill Link Icicle Spear is you give it a King's Rock, so there is a 50% chance of flinching. Still it wasn't until Gen 5 when they buffed Icicle Spear that it became a monster.
Crobat does get Cross Poison upon evolution which is pretty solid. Poison Slash basically, while not fantastic it gets the job done. And it comes a bit late but Air Slash at 51 is pretty solid since you probably won't care which attacking stat your Crobat is using since they're about the same.
@@Metaknighttheloneswordsman Really? Is it Cross Poison on evolution in DPP or something? I seem to remember having Cross Poison on my Crobat before even finishing the Rocket Hideout in Mahogany, but that was years ago so I may be misremembering.
C for Sandshrew is super accurate. It's the best for slamming Electric types ('cause it literally need no investment to do so), and is very blah at...everything else. The only reason it's so good at slamming Electrics is its convenient combination of Sand Attack, Electric Immunity and the fact that like no Electrics have any coverage in this game. If you are ever having issues with that Kimono Girl with the Jolteon, literally catch any ground type and you win 'cause she genuinely can't do anything against one (She only has Tbolt and Last Resort as attacking moves, and her AI will spam Last Resort first for some reason).
I want to disagree with a lot of this list but Cheese is spitting nothing but facts. Endgame team of Gyrados, Typhlosion, Alakazam, Heracross, a random HM friend, and Kenya (who gets replaced with your cover legendary) will beat the game real quick with little effort.
Honestly I am playing HG blind rn, runaway quick attack rattata is perfect for me. Early game, switching in your pokemon to run for your slower pokemon is not even reliable, so I used it. It picked up some KOs when it used quickattack. Now at Goldenrod it's already an HM mule, all for the price of one slot.
Crobat being so low is 10IQ. Stab Cross Poison, Fly is 90bp, AA and Pluck are decent. Gets access to X-Scissor and U-turn as well as steel wing. You can easily get Crobat as early as Whitney. Sorry bucko, Crobat is bottom of S tier.
Nah, crobat is mid to high A tier. Poison is just not good offensively and fly is a two turn move and can miss, both pluck and AA are only 60. U-turn sucks in-game since the ai really isn't that smart so you won't need to switch out much, but x-scissor is good coverage. Steel wing is passable ig if you want to fight ground types
I love crobat, and while it's not bad, it has a fairly mediocre 90 base attack combined with the fact that its only stab move above 70 BP is a two-turn move really holds it back, as it has trouble OHKOing and is very frail
one thing i liked about hg/ss is that they made the patch of grass south of the first gym available before you beat Falkner, meaning you can catch a Mareep, and use that to defeat Falkner! dunno why, but i just really love the Mareep line, but i'm angry that it can't get fire punch in gen 4 until after you beat the game. with punches it was a powerhouse in gen 2!
A-a-ahkcually Chikorita is good because if you reset the game 500 times for the best nature/Iv combination and take your time to train it in this very annoyingly specific way and teach it those specific moves it will oh blah blah blah bruh who tf cares lmao
And it will still be hiding behind Ahhhhhhhhnix for the entire run because once it gets bailed out of Falkner and Bugsy, its niche of "wear down Miltank" gets jacked by Onix, too, then it's back to hiding behind Onix until they both get dumped in the Box for Raikou, Entei, and Red Gyarados.
Between getting the Charcoal in Azalea and then the Fire Blast TM in Celadon at the dept store, Cyndaquil is leaps and bounds ahead in potential above anything
I like voltorb flip way way more than any of the other gambling games since it actually involves a degree of player skill to do well. It's still bad though because you still have to do SO much of it for TMs that you will need at least 1 of for a ton of pokemon.
The gen 2 roster is still is and will always be the worst roster ever in the seris till this point.. most of the pokemon are weak as hell.. Game freak thought it was a good idea have baby Pokemon take up 8 fucking slots on the roster.. most of the time you gonna be stuck using gen 1 Pokemon on ya teams because how inferior gen 2 Pokemon are.. I loved gen 2 as a kid but now that I'm 31 I realize how overrated this gen actually is..
The ongoing gag where you start enthusiastic and then are informed something isn't available until postgame and then declare "This thing is horrible!" never ceases to amuse me, gives me a chuckle every time. Take my like and a cheeky sub sir.
Can't believe they did gen 4 evos dirty like that
Tbh
Dragons are different because they are the goat🥹
Gives him a Shuckle every time
It’s hilarious tbh, great delivery
"the only status i care about inflicting is fainted" enjoyed your sass in this vid😂
I've had enough of defensive gameplay commenters!
@@ImportedCheese as a fan of stall and a literal crocodile meaning im a resource camper, I...
Completely agree
@@ImportedCheesehoppit deserved the bottom of D tier
Atleast unown is somewhat usable when you get it to a good level
If you stall and/or use defensive strats in a vanilla normal ass playthrough of any mainline pokemon game you need electroshock therapy.
Did I already watch the full livestream? Yes. Am I going to watch the premium? Absolutely. Can't miss those premium edits!
Thank you!! I think the edits are indeed PREMIUM - at least there's music
Same. Watching for a second time now.
i dont know why but the 'oh my god this thing's horrible' just gets funnier and funnier every time
We laugh so that we do not cry
The only problem I've ever had with Heracross is trying to figure out what to fill the beautiful beetle's slot with when I replay and try to do a different team. No matter how much I fight it, the wonderful bug just can't be replaced.
1:48:17 that kangaroo in question is none other than Roger, the alpha male at a popular Australian nature reserve. Sadly he passed away some years ago but I'm happy to inform that his son Monty is just as ripped
Whoa...are you from Australia?
@@ImportedCheese not at all, but I love kangaroos and I can't contain my knowledge
Guts is a classic example of people thinking a nuzlocke strat is universally applicable. When you're a) playing a harder romhack, b) forced to get an early game encounter, and c) have to tryhard the boss fights like crazy or risk losing everything and starting over, then yeah, guts ratatta is the encounter. For a normal playthrough, its overkill for way too much effort
It's a very good tryhard ability!
@@ImportedCheese I see you used Exhibit A Dunce Sparse as your emote. 😘👌
Guts is good in the sense that you shouldn’t exactly be relying on it, but every once in a while when a NPC does manage to status you, it’s a nice little bonus to have.
I'm concerned you think nuzlockes are "try hards" do you always enjoy playing things where you can be brain dead and still win?
@@yournobody6487 Did their comment hit a nerve of you? How are nuzlockes not try hard playthroughs? You are inflicting self imposed handicaps that are in no way necessary in order to get a higher difficulty. That sounds like try harding to me. That can be fun but lets be honest here.
Also if you try to insult someone of being brain dead, you really shouldn't do it by trying to flex that you do harder playthroughs of a childrens game. It makes you look pretty pathetic.
Took me a bit to get my brain in gear for this tier list next to all the nuzlocke tier lists, but then I flashed back to being a kid clicking super effective moves on my overlevelled favourite and this made perfect sense. Great stuff
I love when you explain meanings in the Japanese names for the pokemon that were lost in translation that’s really neat. I also enjoy your passion in debating commenters over which fake creature sucks. Keep up the good work!
IIRC Sacred Fire is physical just because Ho-Oh's Attack stat is higher than its Sp.Atk.
Gyarados also gets Aqua Tail at Lv.35 in Gen IV. You don't even need to wait for Waterfall.
You can access Cerulean Cave before beating the Lance rematch and Red, so you can grab Mewtwo specifically for the final battle, and as it comes in at Lv.70 and it's Mewtwo, it's already strong enough to take them on. The only Pokemon locked behind Red are the Kanto starters from Oak, the Hoenn starters that Steven gives you, and Kyogre/Groudon, as Oak only gives you the Orbs after you beat Red.
The Birds being at Lv.50 means they're not _awful_ if you go and grab them as soon as you get to Kanto, but you've got to do the Radio Tower sidequest first.
Also there's Latias/Latios, which you can get after the Copycat sidequest in Kanto, but they're Lv.35 for some reason so not really worth it.
I agree that's why, but I feel like the animation is physical
@@ImportedCheese: Isn't the animation for Sacred Fire just a flashy version of Flame Wheel? I always took those two moves as being the physical counterparts to Fire Blast and Flamethrower.
Sacred Fire becoming Physical helped make Entei less crap outside of story playthroughs once its new father Ho-Oh passed down its signature move.
Gamefreak must really hate houndour, twice they made it basically unavailable in-game.
It had all the tools to excel too.
To make it even worse its located in one of the final maps in the Pokewalker too.
@@RinaShinomiyaVal😢
Houndour is the only evil pokemon. It goes against every other pokemon childish lovely looks
Your Chikorita cosplay wilted throughout this video, which is how you feel when you choose Chikorita as your starter.
The livestream only took 7 hours, but your chikorita playthrough won't be as lucky
Ah yes, SoulSilver. I remember it well.
I chose Chikorita. He had an Attack lowering nature.
Later realised I had nothing good against flying or fire types. So I caught a Geodu- Onix. I caught an Onix.
Traded over a pair of Ariados from Pokemon Pearl to breed a Spinarak for my team. Why? No other reason than I like Ariados. I just think they're neat. It didn't stay permanently.
Realised I had nothing good against Whitney, as all of my team was male and thus susceptible to Attract, or straight up weak to Rollout... except the team's lord and saviour, Onix, who was female. Promptly traded her to Pokemon Pearl, gave her a Metal Coat, then traded her back to SoulSilver. Had a female Steelix at less than level 20. I laughed. Whitney cried. She had no power over my team any more.
Immediately thereafter, realised that by evolving Onix I'd just made my then only counter to fire types... weak to fire again.
Cried a bit.
My final team fir defeating the Elite Four ended up being Nidoqueen (with Rivalry, not Poison Point), Fearow, Steelix, Lanturn, Umbreon and Dragonair.
I can practically hear Imported Cheese's disapproval from here.
Somewhere in the distance
"SAD" echoes in pity
Good thing: It could've been six Magikarp and you still could've won. xP
Onix screech strats into the miltank (or geodude spamming magnitude over the course of 29 turns)
This is like the only comment he hasn't replied to, lol
I can't imagine having the least bit of fun with that team past the age of .. 7?
Another good thing about Feraligatr is that if you choose Totodile, you do force your rival into having his higher level mon be Chikorita so that has to count for something.
See, Chikorita is good!!
......on the enemy team
Fun fact about clefable in competitive, it didn't even need the fairy type to be good, in gen 4 it's already amazing, and magic guard is even better since, exclusively in gen 4, it makes you immune to being fully paralyzed
Fairy type certainly didn't hurt
bro i like this trailer you made, ah the memories of that ridiculous slowpoketail merchant, ridiculous yet funny at the same time, the music as well, dang, that triggers so much good nostalgia.
edit: I love your genuine surprised reaction when you said "hey man, where you get that Dragonite?" the acting is spot on for the Dragonite.
R I P slowpoketail merchant
@@ImportedCheese true, rest in peace for him man
Can we talk about how underrated is Granbull? My boy could swipe most of the E4 with the old combination of elemental punches.
We gave it a generous rating! But no punches in this game and super slow
I love Grandbull but Ursaring in gen 2, especially if you’re playing Crystal, outclasses it in basically every single way, maybe not worth it when you get it so late in gs, but in Crystal you can get a Teddiursa before the first gym.
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked Oh yes. I got one in my latest run and it is absolutely wrecking havock. Literally swept through the fourth gym.
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked yup. Tediursa is hiding in Dark Cave, in the mornings, and that route north of route 29 you can catch a level 2-3 Phanpy too (also in the morning). but these pokemon have a chance to run away from you like a safari zone pokemon, so you got to be patient with them, and just throw balls at them, and not damage them.
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked to 😊 o 😊😊😊😊 😊
This list makes some very good points, but if it isn’t the quintessential Johto experience to fight Lance’s comically underlevelled Dragonite with like, a Yanma or some shit, I’ll be damned LOL. Me & Sunflora going to struggle like we’re playing Elden Ring. Good video as per usual dude! :)
Thank you so much for these videos, Cheese. They are awesome to watch over and over. I have been following in game tier lists since around gen 5/6, and it has always been very interesting.
Pokemon games are meant to be replayed many times, this gives a lot of opportunities to try new pokemon or ways to play.
Please do more. Don't be afraid that you will run out of games to do in game tier lists. There are dozens of fan games that you can cover as well, like renegade platinum. Or some spin-off ones like mystery dungeon.
I hope that one day you can also cover SMT games like Nocturne.
Props for doing the whole thing with a leaf on your head
It wasn't too heavy!
Beyond The Distant Skies playing when mons end up really horrendously bad due to no stone or otherwise is peak theming.
Thank you, Mr Cheese. Very cool.
I appreciate the explanation of the Stat EXP to EV change + removal of badge boosts and how they impact the game, so few people seem aware of it and how Stat EXP + badge boosts made Gens 1 and 2 even easier.
Big nerfs to player teams
I'm pretty convinced that ledian's physical attack and special defense accidentally got swapped somehow. Why does this punching pokemon have THIRTY FIVE BASE ATTACK? It's got four fists! WHY DOES IT HAVE ONE HUNDRED AND TEN SPECIAL DEFENSE? They gave it iron fist as a hidden ability, I guess just as an insult? Like to mock it, rub in how bad its attack is? 20% extra power on punches, increasing its effective attack from 35 to 42............................................
why
Ledian don’t got no gains on those arms
Seriously... like, maybe if Iron Fist had been its original ability, since when abilities were first introduced in gen-3 the elemental punches would have at least still been coming off a marginally better base 55 special attack. Ledian would have still been really bad either way, but at least it could have maybe had a short-lived low tier niche.
Who knows what goes on at GameFreak HQ, man
The 110 Sp Def isn't exactly unique/strange for a "fighting" Mon given all 3 Hitmons have it as well
That isn't to say Ledian, along with most of Gen 2's competitive designs and stat distributions aren't complete shit (hence the Gen 4 "retcon" evolutions) , just that there's some logic to that specific stat.
Maybe the developers forgot about the special split and meant to assign 110 to the gen 1 special stat, so it could hit hard with elemental punches
Even if Venomoth isn't the best, I still love running it in my HGSS teams. Tinted Lens and not missing out on good moves during the main story made it better than Yanma.
I run Psybeam/Signal Beam/Sleep Powder/Sludge Bomb. Its shiny form is beautiful btw.
Late evolution
@@ImportedCheese True facts...
Now if only Venonat did the wacky shenanigans it did in Crystal (Route 43 Venomoth!?). Could have been better.
My favorite Rock/Psychic type.
Yanma is absolutely abominable i wouldnt doubt it
@@Hazel_B4 Yanma is meh and Yanmega only starts to shine only by postgame. Its best moves in HGSS which are Bug Buzz and Air Slash are learned at like LV54 and LV57.
Shame since it is also another good Tinted Lens user.
Your editing sense of humor is tops. ill have you know i watched the criteria.
Cool video. You obviously didn't know I was going to listen to this whole thing audio only, but you still did a really good job of vocally announcing all the pokemon and all the ranks.
I think there was a less than a half dozen times you said something like "This one, goes here!" leaving me trying to remember Pokedex orders and trying to deduce who comes before or after someone else, haha
I definitely intend people to uh...actually watch the video lmao but given the length of these they definitely have P O D C A S T as a secondary type
@@ImportedCheese Yeah I would say I am in the significant minority, but if I listen at a time I can't use my eyes, such as driving or exercising; I can consume a lot of content I wouldn't otherwise have been able to fit into my schedule
I can't believe he snubbed Snubbull. Everyone knows Snubbull gets quick feet, so just go into battle pre paralyzed and outspeed everything with a massive 67.5 speed stat.
The Guts lobby has evolved
do not forget that your ivs also get a boost, so you are actually probably at around 75
truly epic and revolutionary, snubbul takes all Ws
Ayyyyy happy to see more of your vids man. Keep it up. Btw your Irastoya vid was very helpful. I saw them a lot when I was studying japanese but never got the chance to learn the name :/
Eyyy thank you! Let's! Irastoya!
When I played the original gen 2 games as a kid, I knew you got Espeon from max friendship, so I assumed for Umbreon you needed max, uhh, hatred?
I made my Eevee faint over and over and I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't evolve.
And I mean the move Frustration exists so young me can't be blamed entirely lol
No no, He's got a point Kusco.
the red gyarados upsets me because it's insanely good (it will actually solo the entire league if you get ddance) but it's such a fucking exp sink that you'll still get level curved in the endgame even if you only use 4 pokemon
i have been using these tier list videos to fall asleep for the past couple weeks so thanks!!!!!
Yessss background noise still makes $$$$$
"It's really fast, so it goes first... and then what?" is gonna be the new "you caught a Geodude, right?", I can feel it
It far predates geodude!!
Defensive utility becomes more valuable in a nuzlocke run, but god damn does Chikorita become a boss, screens and leech seed help keep your pokemon survive
I'm catching up on all your old videos and goddamn the Susano FFXIV theme for Red Gyarados is such a great touch
I haven't played FFXIV in years but I'll never forget tanking and having the mash to block the sword. Let's! Anime!
Maybe The Evolutions added in Gen 4 are so thicc because Sinnoh is based on Hokkaido which is known for being a lil cold
are they thicc?!
good defense I guess
Unrelated to the tier listing, but as a young man I had a dream where I got to hug an entei. And I still remember the warm fluffiness of it's fur until this very day.
3rd Pokemon movie?!
I never watched that movie. The dream seemed to have happened because entei is my favourite of the trio.
Entei deserves more love. Seems like a good boi
Hahaha I went on UA-cam looking for someone to help me understand the soul silver meta and I was not disappointed. S tier humor, S tier video
Thank you for watching! Crystal Legacy tier list tomorrow!
Nido is also a play on words for stings, in nidophobia is fear of insect stings and they get poison point
Interesting!
Typhlosion will always be my fave gen-2 starter, but the physical special split did it so dirty. Meanwhile, Feraligatr made out like a boss, not to mention one of the very few starters in the entire franchise that can fully solo a game without even needing any HM mules on the bench. Honestly, I'd be very tempted to rank Feraligatr at the very pinnacle of S-tier, maybe even give it a tier above all to itself, but at the very least its position should be swapped with Typhlosion.
As for Meganium, you were far more generous to it than I would have been. It might be a starter, but its stats are so mediocre, grass typing is so bad (especially in Johto), and the thing doesn't get any meaningful coverage. Should really be at least one tier lower.
It got bonus points for those Screen and Natural Gift strats.
The reason totodile was lower was because its outclassed by the shiny gyrados
I lost my Pokewalker, unfortunately. It's a fun thing to mess around with. And I am still Snorlaxian. Clearly, what I needed was another one.
These Tier lists are amazing. I really like them. I hope you continue doing stuff like this.
Using your gen 3 tier list I just did a replay of emerald!
Decided to take your advice and Holy crap the game is so much easier. Though I do like some of my own choices over what's meta.
Blaziken, Magneton, Crobat, Flygon, Lunatone, Ludicolo.
Before you ask why Lunatone? It's my wife's favorite so it's a must have lol. It's also alright!
Heracross is my favorite pokemon so I'm really glad to see it shining here :)
Good fighting type!
...And is also a bug type I guess
27:07 ‘guts related comments’ Pokémon challenges uses it because he does really difficult nuzlockes, he doesn’t have level advantages and is forced by circumstance to use these mediocre Pokémon, yet people conflate these ridiculous nuzlockes with standard playthroughs
Just as I did for the FRLG tier list, here is a list of all the tier changes going from the GSC video to this one:
Cyndaquil, Totodile buffed from A to S
Spearow, Scyther buffed from B to A
Sentret buffed from C to B? Unless that entire bit was a joke in which case tiering unchanged from GSC
Weedle, Igglybuff, Ekans, Paras, Pineco, Koffing, Umbreon, Gligar, Teddiursa, Phanpy nerfed from C to D
Geodude, Gastly nerfed from S to A
Cleffa, Mr. Mime, Jolteon, Doduo buffed from K(anto) to B
Sandshrew, Jynx, Dratini nerfed from B to C
Mareep nerfed from A to B
Poliwrath, Politoed, Slowbro, Slowking, Tentacool, Chinchou nerfed from B to Sea
Gyarados, Heracross buffed from A to S
Goldeen, Psyduck, Krabby, Shellder, Seel, Horsea, Mantine buffed from C to Sea
Ditto...added to the list and put in D? I could just be blind but I'm not seeing Ditto in D tier, (K)anto tier or Unown tier in the older video and it's certainly no higher than that so congrats on being remembered Ditto! Welcome to D tier!
Nidoran male, Nidoran female, Rhyhorn buffed from C to B
Yanma, Aipom, Lickitung buffed from D to C
Grimer, Flareon, Ponyta, Slugma buffed from K(anto) to D
Marill buffed from D to Sea
Diglett, Cubone, Kangaskhan, Murkrow, Misdreavus, Larvitar buffed from K(anto) to C
Tyrogue evolutions nerfed from B to D although the old tiering was likely due to misremebering how to acquire Tyrogue
Electabuzz, Sneasel, Porygon, Chansey effectively kept in the same tier just renamed from K(anto) to Unown Dungeon
Natu nerfed from B to D
Qwilfish, Remoraid, Vaporeon buffed from K(anto) to Sea
Staryu buffed from C to A
Skarmory buffed from K(anto) to D but as mentioned in this very video, Skarmory is not actually exclusive to Kanto in GSC so with that in mind, Imported Cheese's tiering for it in those games is likely a C or D
Snorlax nerfed from B to Unown Dungeon
Suicune nerfed from S to Unown Dungeon
Quite a few more changes going from GSC to HGSS compared to the transition from RBY to FRLG
High effort comment?!
You can get Tyrogue relatively early via odd egg in gen 2 which is likely where the B ranking came from
You've been getting better at the *SCYTHEEEEER* bit
I tried so hard
Love these tier lists man. Good stuff.
Thank you for watching!
I don't know how you do it but the way you pronounce certain words or sentences just makes me burst into hard, loud laughter. Amazing, amazing content thank you.
As a grass type lover I am very sad tho. Why is it so bad. So sad.
I will employ any and all performance tricks to slander grass
This guy’s answer to everything Pokémon: *pushes up glasses* “I’ll just one-shot them with my level 100 Charizard. I am good at this game!”
Yeah, sounds like a good strategy to me
This is based on completing the game in an expedient manner, as he says repeatedly through the video. The only thing that matters unless you're intentionally making the game longer is one-shotting everything, and XP is somewhat limited so you're best to just pump it all into one or two heavy hitters, and once again due to EVs the most efficient strategy really is to do the tried-and-true 8 year old illiterate strats of curbstomping everything with your 20 levels higher starter Pokemon. Game Freak made the games this way. If you want to play something that isn't braindead go play Radical Red or something.
A lvl 100 Charizard would be S Tier in any In game Playthrough I assume
If Feraligatr doesn’t get its own tier, we riot.
Like seriously, once you get past Sprout Tower, there’s nothing that can beat Gatr 1v1 with the right set and item. Surge? EQ + Scarf. Erika? Rhindo and Ice Fang.
Prepare to riot
What about red tho
@@ImportedCheese I got my pitchforks and torches
I played a run where I randomised and upped the levels of trainers; despite Falkner having a lv 23 Farfetched, Chikorita turned out to be the MVP with poisonpowder because the Dratini i started with kept losing. It was so bizarre. Then Bugsy had a Rhydon which Bayleef swept. I got so attached to it that I kept it to the end of the run, and thus spent the rest of the game slamming my head against the wall anytime I ran into a single ice type. I also had Charizard but Ice/Water meant death.
I love how much effort you put into these videos bro 😂 thank you
The leaf wilted :SmoGrass:
I get excited when I see Onix coming up in these tier lists...
Although I agree with Hoothoot's ranking, I do want to point out that Noctowl actually serves as the perfect counter to Morty. With Insomnia and Confusion, I basically wiped the floor with him with little trouble. The Normal typing makes it immune to Ghost-type moves and his Hypnosis/Dream Eater strategy is completely totaled by Insomnia. He could only touch me with Sucker Punch, and that only has 5 PP. Confusion is also super effective against his entire team. So if for some reason, you're struggling with Morty and don't want to overlevel or something, I'd suggest getting a Noctowl for this fight.
It's not really a great Pokemon, but seeing it excel in this battle really made me like it, because I usually have some trouble with Morty because I try to keep my team at the level of the Gym Leaders. Also, I like owls, so that's why I had it on my team in the first place.
Someone mentioned that in THE LIVE but it was cut from THE PREMIUM because morty is a chump
I can't believe how dirty they did my bois, Honchkrow and Gliscor. Remember when you could just evolve pokemon before finishing the game? Still the best games in the series though.
imma be real, your roasts are on point and funny
I wish I could just be happy...why are gen 2 pokemon such ass
Watching through the 6 hour stream, his Lettuce leaf started wilting over time.
Grass was bad in real time
You sure, you're not a Mimikyu disguised as Chikorita? Cause I guess you can say... grass was a bust.
The Pokéwalker was my first venture into engineering. When I realised thtat it can be tricked by shaking it I crafted a machine that kinda looked like an oil pump and it actualy f***ing worked ^^
Nintendo ninjas don't take kindly to HACKERS like you
An easy way I've found to remember the physical special split types is that every eeveelution type plus dragon is special, anything else is phys
Dragon type eevee when
31:18 The funniest part of using the Shuffle icon here is that Ariados is unironically like. the third best Bug type there. Above average max attack power and has the highly useful Block Shot. Send him back from whence he came so he can be useful
Grass Poison tends to be better in-game because not only do you do well against Water but you do well against opposing grass types which are very common in the in-game play through. If I had a choice I'd take Victorybell every time over the others for accessibility alone. Definitely worth that leaf stone grind.
Most enemy grass types are also grass-poison in HGSS, and the poison type has less-than-ideal moves.
@@IndellableHatesHandles Being able to hit them naturally is better then not being able to hit them at all.
@@darthtyros3142 Yes, but hitting neutrally isn't something you pat yourself in the back for.
"it so available that they toss themselves at you"
Trainer: *steps once in the cave because they forgot to put on repel before going in*
Zubat: PLEASE LOVE MEEEE *Yeet on to you**
Zubat 2: MARRY MEEEEEEEE *Yeet on to you**
Zubat3: HAVE MY CHILDREN!!!
If Chansey was a Fairy type they would be impossible to kill, because the gimmick is that essentially you accept death from Fighting types because the weakness corresponds perfectly with your weak defense
Being a Fairy Type you would depend on Steel and Poison to kill them, which would mean you wouldn't kill them because both types are horrendous offensively
Another format where Scizor is the most important Pokémon and METAgross is meta.
Alright the premium 😀 I was like an hour late to the live version but still enjoyed that time and gonna enjoy this. So much content to look forward to as well like the rest of the gen 3 and 4 tier lists as well as whatever else is being worked behind the scenes for us!
Slugma
I might be a bit insane here but I would say I defend it here a little. I think it might be a good earlygame Pokemon like the Bugs. It learns Rocktrow at Lv 11 and has Flamebody.
Effective against Falkner, 4x Effective against Bugsys Ace, and Flamebody cripples Miltank. Eventually... You discart it, probably for Magmar, way before it evolves, but it is not bad for the first few Gyms.
Chikorita.
Yeah, I personaly had no Problems playing whit it, and I think the Stats are still high enough to do well, but its certainly not a good Starter.
But from my Experience Snivy was much harder to make work, it was never a good Switch in. Dont matter if its individually better, if everything around it sucks.
Lediba.
I wish they could do something. I think they have Battonpass, and that makes for a decent Movepool, but you wont setting up much if you are getting oneshotted.
And you dont want to, against everything what cant oneshot you.
Togepi.
Oh yeah, I traded the Evo Stone for my 8. Gymbattle to have one. Pretty cool Pokemon.
Onix.
OK im not defending him, but looking at Whitney, shes so taff you cant beat her whit brute Force unless your leveling up hard. That encouraging you to play creative and test things out. Onix whit Rock type and Screech could be a realy cool methode of beating her. I can think of at least 10 other Pokemon who could wear her down as well, but thats one of it.
Maril
I realy like how it turns better and better in every single Generation.
But talking about rare Encounters, did you thought about the Pokewalker and what Pokemon it gives you? I myselfe dont have it in my Head, but it might give you early access to some Pokemon. I think the Crow Pokemon was actually one of this early access Encounters.
Magmar
Cant it learn Thunderpunch in Gen 2? Its of no Consequence here but it makes him a but better there.
he did adress the pokewalker on the livestream; he isn't factoring it in for this. i think due to a combination of the pokewalker being time consuming and the fact that alot of gen 4 players have no way to use the pokewalker because emulator
@@gypsysprite4824 Ahnthats fair I guess. Dont think its to hard to get pokemon there, and on Emulator you can cheat anyway. Buuut its a pain in the Ass to look up what unlooked whit it.
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On the topic of Magneton and Magnezone, you can only get Magnezone in Kanto by leveling up Magneton once at the power plant you get Zapdos after you defeat Red. This COULD be useful if you’re still planning on taking on Misty, Brock if you want some Magnet Pull cheese, Blue, and Red. Other than that though, Magneton is a decent option for the majority of the game.
I dunno why it's not even in the dex
They replaced the slots with Voltorb Flip to avoid subjecting kids to gambling. All they really did was give a whole generation of kids anger issues and adults further reasons to emulate
Those reasons being mods?
Can’t wait for the xy ranking where thumper the sleelix moves onix up into s tier
Keep dreamin
@@ImportedCheese Steelix gets 1.5 extra xp in that game
Grant wasn't that hard without Thumper tbh.
I'm starting to think that I missed out by never playing voltorb Flip. Must be a good game. So much depends on it!
It’s *fun*, but the coin grind is really slow
23:35 You're meant to deliver the mail Kenya is holding to another NPC in exchange for a TM. In both Gen 2 and Gen 4 you can give the mail to another pokemon and it works fine, and in fact in Gen 4, if you attach the mail to a different pokemon, you get the reward and you don't even lose the pokemon, allowing you to entirely legitimately keep Kenya in your party while still completing that little side quest.
Kenya stonks on the rise?!
How to play with Chikorita : Catch Raikou, Entei and Red Gyarados ASAP to win. Maybe grab kadabra on the side
Could get Geodude too
Also Geodude, Kenya, and Muscle, and maybe Sudowoodo and Rocky (yes, the Oooooooonix, never waste time catching one, just catch Bellsprout and trade) to pad out the early team and keep Raikou, Entei, and Gyarados's thrones warm for them.
1:15:40
Creepy Nuts is the name of a Japanese hip-hop unit. I don’t listen to their music that much, but their music I have listened to (I.e. the OP and ED for the anime “Call of the Night”) is very snappy & packed to the brim w/energy.
That ad was just a collab where they wrote a song for a Zone commercial.
In the Zone
With quick save and loads, aren't we all Voltorb flip god's lol
Counting cards?!
@@ImportedCheese lol nah I just quick save before each pick, than load if I lose
I missed a good chunk of the livestream so it’s good to see this
The PREMIUM is now here for future viewing!
Honestly wanted to try out magmortar. Only to find out magmarizer is in the post game💀
Not magmarized....
How did you know I skipped the criteria section? 😅 great vid btw ❤️🔥
Everyone skips the criteria! That's why the commenters are always wrong!
I’ll never understand GameFreak’s decisions when it comes to move pools, evolution levels, Stat Distributions and Pokémon availability. They did such a terrible job the first 4 generations.
Take Venonat for example. It should have a higher BST since it’s evolution is so late. At least 480 with 110 Sp. ATK and 100 SPD. Also, it should definitely have been a Bug/Psychic type with access to Psychic upon evolution or level 37 or something. Imagine a Venomoth with Tinted Lens, a wide move pool, and decent Sp. Atk. It could have been a potential sweeper after a Quiver Dance. I wish that GF’s obsession and pandering with Gen 1 wasn’t limited to Pikachu, Eevee and Charizard. There are so many Pokémon that needed to be adjusted but didn’t get any love.
I've been speculating that as far as what gets time for development in a new pokemon game (and I could talk about how a lot of the game(s) don't necessarily get enough development time) but whatever does, it's probably move sets and stats that come in towards the end. like at least a few really outstanding mons probably get enough time to be made properly, and as the generation go on, more and more pokemon find it easier to get good basic moves due to expanding move sets, more moves and more tms. but I think in many generations, especially early, it'd be easy to imagine that nobody can necessarily sit down to look at what each pokemon has for stats, what moves best suit it for both power and for flavor, etc. plus so many are just damned to having bad bst that don't make them as good. so yeah, lots of pokemon are left out in the cold and it's much easier for players or fans of certain critters to see where that critter could have been done better.
The Pokeathlon also sells the Metal Coat, and because of that I managed to get a Scizor before Kanto.
Everyone assumed I hacked it because they all ignored the Pokeathlon
But scyther is better ingame!!
@@ImportedCheese Maybe, but I was also doing PVP at the time (Before beating Lance, which was probably insane tbh)
Man this kinda snapped my nostalgia glasses in half. The teambuilding options in HGSS is horrible. And it's multiple tiers below Platinum imo. Johto is still a vibe but man I hope they fix this when it gets remaked again.
I really like the region!
Don't....don't look at the roster
@@ImportedCheese Johto music still S Tier at least 😎
No but seriously, Johto is still my second favorite reason but like you said I'd understand if someone said they didn't like it due to the roster. But BDSP added a ton of Platinum mons super early into the game (like Hondour) so maybe the next Johto remake will do the same.
@@Shari362 yeah the roster is pure trash... The region is cool though
It’s fun trying to teambuild an all-Johto team because they’re almost all so bad that you’re bound to end up using some trash just to figure out how bad it is lol
Painful roster, just painful. Some are bangers though!
Teambuilding options are great in HGSS...for people looking to make this easy game less easy (looking at you, Natural Gift Chikorita, Rocky the Onix, Friend Ball Crobat, Gen 4 Dunsparce...)
Wobbafet was actually the mon that won me my non grinding playthrough of this game , which is funky
but it's so I N E F F I C I E N T
It’s nice that GF actually allowed Pokemon to evolve in this remake unlike FR/LG.
Also again this list shows how weak Johto Pokémon are.
If only the Gen 4 stones were pre kanto wtf
@@ImportedCheese yeah that’s still a weird choice they made. Also would have been nice to update Johto gym leader teams to have more Johto Pokémon.
Soul Silver is legitimately the best Pokemon game, for people that don't replace the dry battery in old cartridges this is the best way to enjoy the nostalgia of what was meant to be the end of pokemon. The rest of the series is a money grab of test gimmicks like humanoid designs
1:15:42 seeing Creepy Nuts in this video two years later is such a jumpscare
IN DA ZONE
I know Espeon isn't as good as Kadabra, but I like her so much that I use her anyway. And I can safely report that she has barely any trouble annihilating everything with psybeam/shadow ball.
Good stats!
...Horrible movepool
1:50:00 funnily enough about the word Honcho is that I’ve written a paper on its origins before! It’s super interesting because it was originally heard by prisoners of war during the Second World War, who brought it back to America after the occupation of Japan. The first ever published version of Honcho is from a veteran’s diary that got published
hunches about honchos?!
Love that out of the best pokemon in the game, the only Johto mons are: starters, legendaries, a worse Tauros, and the god Heracross.
No wonder my Johto teams always ended up looking like Kanto teams.
Just wait for gen 4!!!
...wait
So the thing about Shellder with Skill Link Icicle Spear is you give it a King's Rock, so there is a 50% chance of flinching.
Still it wasn't until Gen 5 when they buffed Icicle Spear that it became a monster.
Why rely on 50% flinch can you can get 100% ko with a better pokemon
@@ImportedCheese Yeah I think people were pointing it out because there weren't aware it only hit 50 in Gen 4 and 125 Gen 5 onwards.
shout out to the boulder got to be one my favourite genders
Crobat does get Cross Poison upon evolution which is pretty solid. Poison Slash basically, while not fantastic it gets the job done. And it comes a bit late but Air Slash at 51 is pretty solid since you probably won't care which attacking stat your Crobat is using since they're about the same.
Why the hell does he get Air Slash so late??? That move isn't that powerful that you gotta wait that long for it?? Gen 2 does this shit a lot too
@@DIRTYSOUTHSHINOBI Honestly until Gen 5 or 6 most Pokemon had pretty ass learnsets.
You only get Cross Poison from move relearner in Blackthorn
@@Metaknighttheloneswordsman Really? Is it Cross Poison on evolution in DPP or something? I seem to remember having Cross Poison on my Crobat before even finishing the Rocket Hideout in Mahogany, but that was years ago so I may be misremembering.
@@765craven4 I double checked and it's a level 1 move. Maybe your remembering Sludge Bomb, that tm is available before the Rocket Hideout.
will never understand why the Power Plant doesn't let you get Magnezone
NotInTheZone
C for Sandshrew is super accurate.
It's the best for slamming Electric types ('cause it literally need no investment to do so), and is very blah at...everything else.
The only reason it's so good at slamming Electrics is its convenient combination of Sand Attack, Electric Immunity and the fact that like no Electrics have any coverage in this game.
If you are ever having issues with that Kimono Girl with the Jolteon, literally catch any ground type and you win 'cause she genuinely can't do anything against one (She only has Tbolt and Last Resort as attacking moves, and her AI will spam Last Resort first for some reason).
Sad monotype moment
I want to disagree with a lot of this list but Cheese is spitting nothing but facts. Endgame team of Gyrados, Typhlosion, Alakazam, Heracross, a random HM friend, and Kenya (who gets replaced with your cover legendary) will beat the game real quick with little effort.
I think this game might be kinda easy...
Honestly I am playing HG blind rn, runaway quick attack rattata is perfect for me. Early game, switching in your pokemon to run for your slower pokemon is not even reliable, so I used it. It picked up some KOs when it used quickattack. Now at Goldenrod it's already an HM mule, all for the price of one slot.
Crobat being so low is 10IQ. Stab Cross Poison, Fly is 90bp, AA and Pluck are decent. Gets access to X-Scissor and U-turn as well as steel wing. You can easily get Crobat as early as Whitney. Sorry bucko, Crobat is bottom of S tier.
Nah, crobat is mid to high A tier. Poison is just not good offensively and fly is a two turn move and can miss, both pluck and AA are only 60. U-turn sucks in-game since the ai really isn't that smart so you won't need to switch out much, but x-scissor is good coverage. Steel wing is passable ig if you want to fight ground types
I love crobat, and while it's not bad, it has a fairly mediocre 90 base attack combined with the fact that its only stab move above 70 BP is a two-turn move really holds it back, as it has trouble OHKOing and is very frail
All those moves are horrible bro
I think Golbat gets acrobatics in gen 4 by level up. No item hold and 110 base power attack with stab attack.
@@antoinepolnareff8970 Acrobatics doesn't exist in gen 4, it was introduces in gen 5.
one thing i liked about hg/ss is that they made the patch of grass south of the first gym available before you beat Falkner, meaning you can catch a Mareep, and use that to defeat Falkner!
dunno why, but i just really love the Mareep line, but i'm angry that it can't get fire punch in gen 4 until after you beat the game. with punches it was a powerhouse in gen 2!
But you could also use THE BOULDER
.......also nerfed by Gen 4
Actually you can give it fire punch ... By relearning it at black thorn
A-a-ahkcually Chikorita is good because if you reset the game 500 times for the best nature/Iv combination and take your time to train it in this very annoyingly specific way and teach it those specific moves it will oh blah blah blah bruh who tf cares lmao
And it will still be hiding behind Ahhhhhhhhnix for the entire run because once it gets bailed out of Falkner and Bugsy, its niche of "wear down Miltank" gets jacked by Onix, too, then it's back to hiding behind Onix until they both get dumped in the Box for Raikou, Entei, and Red Gyarados.
Between getting the Charcoal in Azalea and then the Fire Blast TM in Celadon at the dept store, Cyndaquil is leaps and bounds ahead in potential above anything
I'll agree with any fire-type propaganda
JUSTICE FOR HOPPIP
Hoppip got what it deserved
@@ImportedCheese =(
Level 50 Gyarados pre-Chuck? Just wait until he hears the legends of the Route 3 Salamence...
They are just legends, how will you ever encounter/catch it
unpopular opinion (apparently): I really liked Voltorb Flip
I think a lot of people do! They're just upset you can't gamble
@@ImportedCheese Dunno, I've seen quite a few complaints about Voltorb Flip. But I like it way more than the gambling mini games.
I like voltorb flip way way more than any of the other gambling games since it actually involves a degree of player skill to do well. It's still bad though because you still have to do SO much of it for TMs that you will need at least 1 of for a ton of pokemon.
Oh man you guys got the clear pepsi in Japan!? Been wanting some more of that stuff for years.
The gen 2 roster is still is and will always be the worst roster ever in the seris till this point.. most of the pokemon are weak as hell.. Game freak thought it was a good idea have baby Pokemon take up 8 fucking slots on the roster.. most of the time you gonna be stuck using gen 1 Pokemon on ya teams because how inferior gen 2 Pokemon are.. I loved gen 2 as a kid but now that I'm 31 I realize how overrated this gen actually is..
I like the region tho
@@ImportedCheese yeah no problem with the region its just the terrible roster I got a problem with