Ah. New to true crime and crime stories. The introduction focusing on her told me more about her then Ive ever heard before. (NOT that I've ever cared to follow the media sensationalized BS which is almost akeqys 100% tabloid entertainment since "news" is America is a private for profit business). She sounded like an absolutely wonderful young women. Having said that: it was MUCH more of a bio, background, and humanizing then most victims in true crime get.
I like the way you name the victims, instead of the perpetrators. I've seen it in several of your cases and I think it's very respectful. You do a very good job. Thank you for these cases. Best regards.
I'm just saying so please hear me out.. there is NO ONE out there (podcast or youtube) who gets to make the story (any story) more interesting than you. I'm talking details, deep dive on the background, flow of info, cadence and.. that voice & accent.. c'mon. Trust me on that, I WAS searching while you were afk :) You're episodes are the GOAT. Thanks a lot and.. I hope to see your channel's 1 milion subs soon! So.. hit that button everybody!
Casefile is epic. Voice, tone, and pace, ten out of ten. Content, compassion for victims 1st class. Always grips me from start to finish. Outstanding work. Thank you. I can't live without you. Please please never stop doing this. Love from a uk top fan. Xx
Absolutely agree. Started to listen to the podcast with episode 3 and have loved it like no other ever since. Might it be possible the Anonymous Host invented focusing on the victims, giving them a true platform, making their stories known, where - at least at the time - anybody was just fascinated by the perpetrators... the trend in true Crime has since followed him, but is receding already, I feel, and I can't stand it anymore... victims hardly being mentioned by name, certainly not recognisable as individual persons, while killers are being fawned over as o so interesting people.
Another great episode guys. Best true crime pod out there that doesn’t make light of the real cases for entertainment. Always expertly researched! So sad that I recognised Amanda Knox’s name from the press at the time, but not the victim’s name in this case.
@@chriscavy I wish I could but they all have errors, some worse than others. The trouble is that most of them are getting their information from other videos or off the internet and not from the court records. They often have little understanding of how the Italian justice system works when it comes to definitive judgments and judicial facts or what DNA can and can't tell us. Even the books on the case, almost all written before the final 2015 SC annulment or even before 2013, contain errors. Among the absolute worst are those 'online only' books (and I hate to even use that word for them) by Nick Van der Leek and the one by Barbie Nadeau who are both notoriously pro-guilt and error ridden. I'd suggest reading Amanda's and Raffaele's books as they are, at least, written by the two who experienced it. I do know that those who are pro-guilt will just claim the books are self-serving. As far as videos, stay away from "body language" experts who spout nonsense like the Behavior Panel. Scientific studies have shown it's unreliable and no more accurate at detecting deception than chance. But the worst of the worst videos are those by Robert Glass. She's absolutely nuts and she makes the most outrageous false and disproven claims. She's one of the worst pushers of misinformation and downright lies on the internet on this case.
I don't believe Amanda was friends with meredith, you would be roaring crying and not in a good state if that happened to your friend. The detective believed that there was more than one person who killed her.
You are projecting what you think someone would do onto another person. Everyone reacts differently. Amanda's reaction at first was confusion as she didn't understand what was going on due to the chaos and everyone speaking over each other in Italian. She only understood snippets. When it was explained to her that Meredith was dead and her throat had been cut, she burst into tears. That is the testimony of Luca Altieri who was there. The police and Prosecutor Mignini believed a lot of things that later turned out to be false. If more than one person was involved in the murder, then explain why only evidence of one person, Rudy Guede, was found in the bedroom aside from Meredith. THAT is the insurmountable problem the Supreme Court said the prosecution could not overcome.
One of many qualities which I appreciate on this channel is the time that is given to the person murdered by the maniac. I have seen numerous documentaries signing the praises of A.K. Onl her I have learned anything about Meredith Kercher.
I've never heard anyone "singing the praises" of Amanda Knox, except the poor Italian guy who was in love with her. She just isn't guilty, no matter how much you want her to be.
@@ninedaysjane2466thank you. These people are deranged. Knox has been through years of worldwide slander, bullying and abuse and the gaslighting of the OP’s comment is just unreal. How do they sleep at night?
@@ninedaysjane2466 Where did OP say they thought AK was guilty? Don't manipulate someone's statement to fit your negative soul. Stating they've only heard about Amanda Knox all of this time and expressing appreciation for now getting to hear about Meredith doesn't imply they think AK is guilty. What kinda twisted delusions creates your logic?
@@rockstarofredondo Thank you? 😳 *Calling people derogatory names for their observations is deranged.* Just because you don't prefer the group of words they chose "singing praises" does not make OP deranged and it's unfortunate you're not ashamed of yourself for saying so. I don't know how old you are but I lived through this case in real time when it occurred and there absolutely WAS a lot of social outcry *across the world* for a looong time, including many expressing praise for A.K bc she was being falsely charged with mrdr - ofc there were tons to people "singing her praise" bc they were trying to show the world she was innocent... Bc of that, Meredith and her life lost so tragically seemed to have been forgotten, not mentioned, no longer part of her own story bc of how the police handled the case and how they treated A.K. OP stating what their experience has been with this case being focused on AK all these years, and being appreciative of finally learning about Meredith is a very normal, decent, human thing to do. Criticizing that, is deranged
Great coverage of this unbelievable case. The attitude of the Italian police and prosecution team was beyond words, just appalling. And the sloppiness of the investigation at the crime scene was shocking. Hats off the the defence team though, picking their way through the chaos and duplicitous 'evidence' presented to them. It feels like there's still nothing absolutely conclusive but, short of being able to preserve the crime scene and correctly collect the evidence all over again, it seems likely that they got their man in Rudy G. I did wonder about Rudy G's guilt after it was stated that Meredith could have defended herself against one attacker and therefore there must have been more, but then I remembered that she was exhausted at the time so perhaps could have more easily been overpowered by just one individual. One thing is certain though, it appears ridiculously easy to skew how the 'evidence' of a case will be perceived which seems to have been expertly done by the prosecution and Italian police, as I too was initially convinced, on what was being fed to us by the media, of Knox's guilt. What a nightmare for all involved, excepting the guilty party, of course.
Men can easily overpower women, karate training or not. People who have never been in actual fights or sparred in some sort of training really overestimate “karate” and other bogus martial arts, so it’s being brought up like it means something when it really doesn’t. It’s not going to give her any kind of advantage over a crazed criminal with a knife, probably high on drugs.
Karate isn’t practical. It’s for choreographic sparring. I’m an actual fight it isn’t going to help you much beyond having taught you to punch properly.
Women are overpowered by single attackers hundreds of times every single day of the year around the world. The most common excuse that she couldn't have been is that she "knew karate". No, she didn't. She had a beginner's orange belt which is totally useless in defense.
To those putting karate as a means for defense, I say: correct. But it does make one strong. And fear for your life will also make one strong. And what about the evidence proving that she was held tight by the wrists with two hands while being stabbed (I heard that elsewhere). Anyway, glad this is not my life, neither of those. Sad for an obviously very nice young person's life being gone for kicks and fun, as I perceive it.
@@ulalaFrugilega Kercher only had beginner's orange belt according to her father. Useless for defense. "And what about the evidence proving that she was held tight by the wrists with two hands while being stabbed (I heard that elsewhere)." Be careful relying on what you 'hear' anywhere unless it's a credible source backed up with evidence. In this case, it's not.
The pathologists' reports mention no bruises on her wrists but bruises on face, neck, left elbow, right forearm, right hand, left thigh, right shin, over both iliac crests of the pelvic bone, vaginal area and skull. See Drs. Lalli's and Cingolani's reports.
' very nice young person's life being gone for kicks and fun, as I perceive it." Your perception is not based on the evidence. Can you explain how 3 people could participate in a violent, hand-on sexual assault and murder and only ONE of them leave multiple pieces of forensic evidence behind? Only Guede left his DNA in several place including Kercher's body, bra, jacket and in Kercher's blood on her purse, his fingerprint in her blood, his shoeprints in her blood.
Love the perspective on this case! It’s so good to finally hear about Meredith. Even here in the UK at the time, the focus was all on Knox, and it was easy to miss that the poor victim was a British girl.
How could anyone miss the fact that Meredith was from the UK? Almost every account, if not all accounts, in the media included that fact. It was why the story was so big in the UK. If Guede's victim had been any nationality but British, the story would have been a small blurb on page 4 for a day.
I have noticed that many have always believed Amanda Knox was guilty, and I have come to the conclusion that all these years later, many STILL believe she was guilty of the horrific crimes, or had some input. And there are so many peeps here in the comments sticking up for Amandas' character, but noone has actually addressed whyyyyyy she initially implicated the bar owner at the beginning of the investigation, and later retracted it. THATTTTT fact alone has made me feel quite uneasy with her her character and testimony.
Really? In all of your readings on this murder you have never seen the words "internalized false confession", or anyone pointing out that when Amanda and Raffaele were "interviewed" that all of the cops forgot to press the record button resulting in no recordings of Amanda or Raffaele's interrogations. In my readings, I have seen extensive discussion on why Amanda would falsely accuse her former boss.
@@dsugar120 no matter the reasons, NO ONE would EVER falsely accuse another innocent person for murder. regardless, she is to this day, due to face court in 2024 for "slandering" the bar owner, which I think is rightly so. If someone accused meeeeee of such murder, i would do everything, like Patrick, the bar owner, to bring this Amanda to face justice for such an atroscious accusation
@@petroszakhariadis8623 Please do me a favour and read the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Four, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case. The West Memphis Three, Norfolk Four, and the Central Park Five are cases where innocent suspects falsely accused other innocent people. Once you agree that false accusation happen, and are unfortunately more common than one would have thought, you can objectively look at why Amanda may have accused an innocent man.
@@petroszakhariadis8623 Please do me a favour and read the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Four, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case. The West Memphis Three, Norfolk Four, and the Central Park Five are cases where innocent suspects falsely accused other innocent people. Once you agree that false accusation happen, and are unfortunately more common than one would have thought, you can objectively look at why Amanda may have accused an innocent man.
@@petroszakhariadis8623 Please do me a favour and read the following: false confessions, West Memphis Three, Norfolk Four, Central Park Five. The West Memphis Three, Norfolk Four, and the Central Park Five are cases where innocent suspects falsely accused other innocent people. False confessions, including ones that the suspect accuses other innocents (because that's what the police interrogators are looking for) happen more often than we think. Once you agree that false accusation happen, and are unfortunately more common than one would have thought, you can objectively look at why Amanda may have accused an innocent man.
I stopped listening to this podcast a couple of years ago because - despite the always impeccable research - the narrator had begun amping up the delivery to an intolerable extent. What a joy to stumble on this and find you guys have reverted to a more naturalistic style. Resubscribing!
I followed this case in detail and this piece of work or should I say work of art is first class. At no point is Meredith ever forgotten and the impact on her family truly heart breaking. In my world this video would get an award.
After listening to more of the podcast, additional factual errors made in this podcast include: 1) 13:02: "at 12"35 p.m. two officers from the postal police arrived at number seven via De la pergola to ask about the discarded phones. " It was established that the postal police's claim of arriving at 12:35 was wrong and that they arrived closer to 12:58. Massei (first trial) and Hellman (first appeal trial) both agreed that the phone records, CCTV video, and the police log confirmed they could not have arrived earlier than 12:58. See their motivation reports. 2) 22:41: a 4 kg Rock roughly the size of a human head was found" The average human head circumference is 57 cm (22.5 inches) for men and 55 cm (21.75 inches) for women. The rock thrown through the window measured 22 cm (8.6 inches) x 18 cm (7.0 inches). (court records) 3) 22:47: "... Filomena's window on the second floor was fitted with wooden shutters which she insisted she'd left closed yet the shutters were found only slightly a jar ..." Filomena said she could not fully close or lock the shutters because they'd warped. She could only pull them partially closed before the window sill obstructed them closing. 4) 23:32 : "Filomena's window was roughly 3 and 1/2 M off the ground and there was nothing underneath to climb on" False There was a metal grate on the window directly below Filomena's window which enabled someone to stand on it, reach up to the shutters and pull them open. This was proven by photos of Delfo Berretti, from Raffaele's lawyer's office, doing exactly that. It is also shown in a video made by a UK TV documentary available on YT: Amanda Knox Trial 5 Key Questions 2013. 5) 24:26 -"the rock itself also raised questions. At 4 kg it would have been incredibly difficult for someone to heave it so high into the air when a smaller lighter Rock could have just as easily done it" Ballistic expert Francesco Pasquale presented a video of 3 recreations in court using a rock the same size and weight and a window with the same size and type of glass in Filomena's room. He showed the rock being easily tossed through the window using ONE hand. Comparing the glass shatter pattern and glass distribution from his 3 recreations and the police photos, he concluded the rock was thrown from the outside, NOT UP, but ACROSS from the parking parapet about 3.5 meters directly opposite Filomena's window. 6) 25:11- "it also didn't make sense that an intruder would target Filomena's bedroom over one of the others in addition to being difficult to reach it was in full view of the Main Street and lit up by the headlights of any passing cars. ALL the other windows had metal safety grates covering them as shown in the police photos. The only exceptions were Filomena's and Amanda's windows. Amanda's window was less than half the size of Filomena's making entrance more difficult. See the police photos. Both these windows later had metal safety grates installed when the cottage was put up for sale. 7 0 25:28 "the rear windows were not only out of sight but one had a table and chair underneath it which could have been climbed upon to scale " If you had bothered to do look at the police photos of the cottage, it's easily seen that all these windows were protected with metal grates. Filomena's window is NOT highlighted by cars' headlights as I've personally observed and recorded on my camera when I visited Perugia.
Are you Amanda? If yes, why haven’t you payed Patrick Lumumba, and you are still doing money over Meredith’s name! You SEE YOURSELF as a VICTIM but the real victims are Meredith with family. Such a lier, Amanda foxy noxy. Read her book and you’ll understand what self centered and egocentric person she is
this episode is so sad, listening to how so many innocent people were wronged is truly terrible to hear. i find the fact that Patrick was in prison for 3 WEEKS without any evidence is honestly ridiculous, how can the police arrest a man purely based on one person's testimony without even trying to find evidence first. and poor amanda, the way the press and media dragged her name through the mud is tragic, both her and her boyfriend deserved so much better. the italian police really let down so many people with this case.
It wasn't even Knox's 'testimony' ; it was two statements written up by the police and signed by Knox which she retracted within hours of the illegally obtained statements more than once. The police ignored them including the one where she clearly wrote she couldn't now who the murderer was because she didn't go back to the cottage that night.
Amanda did it, no ifs or bits about it. I don't care what anyone says. All this case proves is that an American white girl can get away with anything if she cries hard enough.
@@robokill387 In other words, you've formed an opinion solely based on her being 'an American white girl' and it doesn't matter what evidence there is that she's not guilty, you don't care. If you ever sit on a jury, I just pray the defendant isn't "an American white girl".
@@mytrip6991Amanda Knox is guilty AF Just because people realize that Karen's often get their way , doesn't mean there wasn't plenty of evidence against Amanda
@@mytrip6991 Late in the evening, at 10:40 PM, on November 5, 2007 Raffaele was called to the police station to answer some questions. Amanda tagged along though she wasn’t expected to be there. Soon after being questioned alone, Raffaele admitted that Amanda had put him up to lying and saying that she was with him that whole night. However, this was all “rubbish.” Raffaele then told the police that Amanda had gone out that night and did not return until 1:00 AM. On the night of the murder, both Raffaele and Amanda uncharacteristically turned off their cell phones at approximately 8:45 PM and kept them off until 6:00 AM the following morning. Amanda and Raffaele had told the police that they had slept until 10:30 AM that morning which is a contradiction to Raffaele’s cell phone being turned on at 6:00 AM, another lie. Their cell phone records, changing alibis, and slander establish the fact that Amanda and Raffaele lied multiple times during the investigation. Because of this, nothing they say can be taken at face value.
I don't Know wether Amanda Knox is guilty or not. But I know that when this heinous crime happened in the house where she was living the first thing she did when speaking to the police was blaming a black person she knew in Perugia that had absolutely nothing to do with the crime and now she is even an 'activist for the wrongly accused'. This is ridicoluos beyond any reasonable doubt.
I thought it was someone else with the same name when I searched and saw the word activist next to it. What a joke. And that person that supposedly killed Meredith couldn't have entered the house without a key , or let by someone with a key in. They said from the beginning that there was no forced entry and that the window that was broken was smashed after the killing took place. The other tenants had solid alibies, and I doubt Meredith would have left the dude in like he supposedly said. By how Amanda reacted in the beginning, it's obvious she knew more than she let out.
@@loredanadincu4300 yes, she acted like she was hiding the truth since the beginning. And it's not just a story that was made up by the media, these are facts documented in police reports and interrogation. The hypothesis of the defense that Raffaele's DNA was transferred to the bra clasp by contamination because he was the one that smashed down Meredith door and due to the movement of people in the room in the following days is far less likely than the prosecutors hypothesis that DNA was here because Raffaele actually touched the clasp to stretch it behind the back of Meredith before cutting it with the knife, that also explains why the DNA was inside the bra on the clasp and not outside. The bra wasn't normally undressed, it was cut with a knife that was put between Meredith's back and the bra and then pulled strongly cutting the bra.
@suzannah991 What's up with the rolling eyes emoji . If you have a problem with my comment, you should have come with real arguments in the reply you posted, not with puerile stuff.
There is overwhelming evidence that shows that all three people, Guede, Knox, and Sollecito were there when the crime happened. Forensic evidence in regard to DNA, via blood and other materials mixed with Meredith's. A big clean up was done, lies upon lies, etc. In the end a lot of money and a big PR campaign that involved politicians from the US got Knox out. Sollecito had more than enough connections. Guede was definitely there, but may not have killed her.
Recent sub going through your vids. You are excellent at reporting these cases with truth and empathy. I am now watching the Karen Read trial in Massachusetts USA. WOW! The way the media can be used by the law enforcement and the prosecution has put a lot of people in jail. With the media against you it is more like you are guilty full stop. Thank you for always remembering the victims.
@@mlwsmp if you ever care to examine all the circumstancial evidence the jury considered at the first trial, perhaps you will understand. Strange how people who know almost nothing about a case will disrespect a jury who exhaustively considered the evidence Casefile certainly wants you to perceive this to be an impartial examination, but it was something of a whitewash Myself, I wonder if the night (she helped murder Meredith) ever creeps up on her in those wee hours of the morning when sleep eludes her. As for myself, it wouldn't be worth it. But then I have no sociopathic issues I guess if we tell ourselves a lie enough times, we will eventually believe the lie -- this could be somewhat helpful
I think this is the most comprehensive study I've listened to on this case. Completely impartial and fair to everyone involved. I learned a lot of facts I had previously not known. I don't know we'll ever know 100% for sure what happened but I'm pretty sure Amanda Knox is innocent. The media have a thirst for sensationalising tragedy and this is one of the worst cases of all time, it's despicable the way they misrepresented Amanda Knox and also removed the focus from Meredith.
It's very common for the media to concentrate on the murder suspect rather than the victim during the trial, especially after the initial reporting of the murder itself.
@@grahamblack1961 I agree. This case had just the right sensational ingredients for the tabloid hacks like Nick Pisa: girl on girl murder, sexual assault, manipulated( by an evil 'vixen') men, 3 nationalities, etc. Amanda had no control over that at all.
@@shona- You can thank the disgusting Nick Pisa for that. The same guy who admitted he didn't care if what he was reporting was accurate or not as long as he got paid.
I’ve rarely come upon, or seen in regular real life a caring, very beautiful and sophisticated young lady like Meredith. Something about A Knox never ceases to make me instinctively cringe
Patrick was innocent. Also, Meredith took out the 250 dollars for her rent but it was never paid and Meredith had told someone she thought Amanda might have stolen it. Amanda was found with exactly 215 dollars on her at the police station. Also she wasn't "delighted to be off work" he had fired her and wanted to hire Meredith to replace Amanda at the bar. Part of why she tried to frame him for revenge. Justice for Meredith and her family! 🙏🏻😡❤🩹💔
Wow. So much misinformation! 1. "Also, Meredith took out the 250 dollars for her rent but it was never paid and Meredith had told someone she thought Amanda might have stolen it." That's because the rent was due the day after her murder and it was stolen the night before. Both Amanda and Meredith had withdrawn their rent money as bank records in the court records show. Rudy Guede, the only remaining convicted killer, CLAIMED Meredith told HIM that Amanda might have stolen it. She told no one else that, including her friends or family. She barely knew Guede so why would she tell him that? Because HE stole her money which is why the forensic tests showed Guede's DNA in Merredith's blood on her purse, and no one else's. 2. "Amanda was found with exactly 215 dollars on her at the police station." No, Amanda was NOT found with "exactly 215 dollars on her at the police station". No court records show that nor was it ever claimed by the prosecution in any of the trials as the transcripts show. 3. "Also she wasn't "delighted to be off work" he had fired her and wanted to hire Meredith to replace Amanda at the bar." You got that from a Daily Mail tabloid article that was full of nonsense. Patrick never fired her nor was he planning to replace her with Meredith as he testified in court under oath that he had texted Amanda not to come to work that night as business was slow and to come on her next regularly scheduled night. He made no mention of planning to fire her or to replace her with Meredith. Read his testimony in the court records and not tabloid articles. 4. "Part of why she tried to frame him for revenge. " Nonsense. Since none of what you wrote was true as disproved by his own testimony, what "revenge" would she need?
Thank you! I've read and heard about this case from several sources, including from Amanda herself, and I must say there is somenthing strange and cringe about her... despite everything.
The only thing I'm sure of is this case is incomplete. I'm willing to bet that in ten or twenty years we will discover there were elements that were never made public.
This case is unfortunate. Regardless who did it, every single person involved behaved strangly. Even if Amanda is innocent, you cant help but wonder why was her behavior so weird? and why were the police acting off of an incling instead of actual evidence? There are so many questions, and all their lives are clearly intertwined with eachother in a way that we clearly do not know. Im not saying i know who did it, but i do think that the whole story isnt being told.
They did feel robbed of justice because they totally accepted what the police and prosecution were telling them which is absolutely normal. Families of victims seldom side with the defense unless the defendant is also a family member/loved one. It's a normal reaction to believe those who are telling you they have identified the one/ones who murdered your loved one. Some families cannot accept a defendant's acquittal even after evidence proves they are innocent.
@@robokill387 Because, according to you in another comment, an "American white girls can get away with anything if she cries hard enough." You've made up your mind and no matter what evidence shows she's not guilty you "don't care".
It only seems brilliant if you don't know the case facts. There are numerous factual errors in it including: 1) 4:53: Amanda was not "22", she had turned 20 the previous July. 2) 5:33: Meredith did not attend the Univ. for Foreigners; she attended the Univ. of Perugia. Knox attended the Univ. for Foreigners. 3) 10:33: Amanda did not see the blood on the bath mat before taking the shower as claimed here. Amanda reported seeing 3 tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet (not in the sink) and took a shower. She only saw the watery bloody footprint on the bath mat when she stepped out of the shower onto the mat. (See her testimony) 4) 11:27: It wasn't Filomena who "was worried that Meredith might have cut herself and gone out to seek medical care accidentally leaving the front door open behind her", but her friend, Paola Grande, who suggested that to Filomena. (see Filomena's interview with Mignini on Dec 3, 2007 pg. 40) 5) 12:42: "This time Amanda told her someone's been in your room. They smashed your window but it's bizarre it doesn't look like they've taken anything." Amanda never told Filomena that. It was Raffaele who told the police that because Amanda didn't see anything obvious taken, including a valuable camera and laptop in plain sight in Filomena's room. 6)13:07- "at 12:35 p.m. two officers from the postal police arrived at number seven via Dela pergola" This is what the postal police claimed, but the court records show that they arrived AFTER the 112 calls had been concluded at 12:55: the second 112 call at 12:54:39 lasted 57 seconds (Sollecito's cellphone log) so the postal police could NOT have arrived before then at 12:35. Why did the narrator not mention this? Hellmann Report: "There has been much discussion on whether the call to 112 happened before or after the arrival of the Police, with it having been hypothesized by the Public Minister that the call to the Carabinieri at 112 had been made on seeing the arrival of the Police, just to validate the notion [tesi] of their innocence. Except that even the Corte di Assise of first level, on the basis of the testimony given by the on-duty Police personnel and of the times reproduced from the logs, arrived at the conclusion that these calls had been made before the arrival of the Police and unaware of their imminent arrival. 7) 14:16- " but strangely valuable items such as a laptop, gold jewelry, a digital camera and designer sunglasses sat untouched out in the open" No gold jewelry was 'out in the open'. Filomena's jewelry was in box in her nightstand: QUESTION - and then the jewelry was kept where? ANSWER - In a bedside jewelry case in the nightstand. (Romanelli testimony Feb 3, 2009)
Wow that's an awful lot of errors. That's not fair on anyone in this, if the facts aren't absolutely correct. One or two maybe, but that's way too much.
@@margaretstewart2575 Those are just the ones I found up to 14:16 minutes. The amount of misinformation on this case that is on the internet is shocking.
There were so many factual errors in under 8 minutes of this recording that I stopped listening to it. 1) 4:53: Amanda was not "22", she had turned 20 the previous July. 2) 5:33: Meredith did not attend the Univ. for Foreigners; she attended the Univ. of Perugia. Knox attended the Univ. for Foreigners. 3) 10:33: Amanda did not see the blood on the bath mat before taking the shower as claimed here. Amanda reported seeing 3 tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet (not in the sink) and took a shower. She only saw the watery bloody footprint on the bath mat when she stepped out of the shower onto the mat. (See her testimony) 4) 11:27: It wasn't Filomena who "was worried that Meredith might have cut herself and gone out to seek medical care accidentally leaving the front door open behind her", but her friend, Paola Grande, who suggested that to Filomena. (see Filomena's interview with Mignini on Dec 3, 2007 pg. 40) 5) 12:42: "This time Amanda told her someone's been in your room. They smashed your window but it's bizarre it doesn't look like they've taken anything." Amanda never told Filomena that. It was Raffaele who told the police that because Amanda didn't see anything obvious taken, including a valuable camera and laptop in plain sight in Filomena's room. Edited to correct time to "under 8 minutes" in the first line. .
@@honeybadger3570 I meant to say I stopped after finding so many errors between minutes 4:53 and 12:42. Does that change my point? Apparently, you consider pointing out factual errors as being 'asshatery' (sic). Instead, why not disprove my claims they were factual errors? I can prove every single one of them is a factual error with quotes and citations Can you do the same? If not, then I suggest you stop with the asshattery.
@@mytrip6991 Don't manipulate my words, I have no issue with corrections of errors... *the condescending, insulting, rude manner in which you did it is the asshatery* 📢 "I meant to say..." 🤣🤣🤣 oooooohhhh okay so _you're allowed_ accidental errors but _the creator isn't_ smdh I see how you roll now... nice hypocrisy right there
@@mytrip6991 📢 "I meant to say...." 🤣🤣🤣 Ooooohhh so you're allowed accidental errors but the creator isn't? Nice hyp⁰crisy right there, glass house. Factual corrections bother me none - it's the added the rŭde, insŭlting and cøndescending attitude that is unnecessary
@@honeybadger3570 Here's more "asshatery" (sic) for you from this video: 1)13:07- "at 12:35 p.m. two officers from the postal police arrived at number seven via Dela pergola" This is what the postal police claimed, but the court records show that they arrived AFTER the 112 calls had been concluded at 12:55: the second 112 call at 12:54:39 lasted 57 seconds (Sollecito's cellphone log) so the postal police could NOT have arrived before then at 12:35. Why did the narrator not mention this? Hellmann Report: "There has been much discussion on whether the call to 112 happened before or after the arrival of the Police, with it having been hypothesized by the Public Minister that the call to the Carabinieri at 112 had been made on seeing the arrival of the Police, just to validate the notion [tesi] of their innocence. Except that even the Corte di Assise of first level, on the basis of the testimony given by the on-duty Police personnel and of the times reproduced from the logs, arrived at the conclusion that these calls had been made before the arrival of the Police and unaware of their imminent arrival. 2) 14:16- " but strangely valuable items such as a laptop, gold jewelry, a digital camera and designer sunglasses sat untouched out in the open" No gold jewelry was 'out in the open'. Filomena's jewelry was in box in her nightstand: QUESTION - and then the jewelry was kept where? ANSWER - In a bedside jewelry case in the nightstand. (Romanelli testimony Feb 3, 2009)
It’s so sad! So terribly sad for her family! What a tragic story! The daughter raped by at least one person, terrorized; possibly pressed by Rafaele too because Meredith was actually fit and strong! The 3 being seemed together same night just a bit before the rape. So many lies! - the Italian police didn’t event that! He turned off his cell and lied about the time. Ama nada lied about where she spent most of the night and went to a grocery shop early the morning where they found M dead. Amanda’s conduct so totally inappropriate as it all happened, clearly trying to cover up for whatever happened too! The parents dying young! Your kid goes to study for a yr in a sort of exchange program or whatever, and you never see them again, and have to accept the brutality and torture with which your child has been murdered! The bastard gets only 13 yrs in jail. The accomplices walk free.
You are posting so much misinformation. 1. " possibly pressed by Rafaele too because Meredith was actually fit and strong! " Do you know how many "fit and strong" women are raped and murdered by ONE man every single day? Especially a man with a knife? Your assumption is naive. 2. "The 3 being seemed together same night just a bit before the rape. So many lies! - the Italian police didn’t event that! " Because it never happened. Only one man named Kokomani, a convicted cocaine dealer, claimed he saw Guede, Sollecito, and Knox together the night of the murder and he was discredited because his story was insane. He claimed he was driving by the cottage on a rainy night (it didn't rain the night of Nov. 1) and Knox jumped out from the middle of the road wielding a knife. He fought her off by throwing olives at her. He continued with a rambling story of Guede wanting to 'borrow his car' and a birthday cake. Even the pre-trial judge, Micheli, called his claims "irrelevant ravings". Kokomani also claimed he'd seen Amanda and Raffaele in a cafe the previous summer BEFORE she had even arrived in Perugia and long before she'd met Raffaele only a week before the murder. He also said Amanda had a gap between her front teeth. Which she does not. The jurors and courtroom spectators literally laughed at his testimony. 3. "He turned off his cell and lied about the time." He didn't lie. He always said he turned off his cell the evening of Nov. 1. What you're getting confused is that he never mentioned turning it back on early the next morning at his apartment when played some music on it which was irrelevant. He never said he DIDN'T turn it back on but the police presented this as him lying about it. Why would he need to mention listening to some music which had nothing to do with the murder? 4. "Ama nada lied about where she spent most of the night" No, she did not. No evidence placed her outside Raffaele's apartment that night: no credible witness as already discussed, no cell phone activity, no CCTV video. Nothing except her coerced interrogation statements which she retracted within hours per the ECHR's ruling. 5. "and went to a grocery shop early the morning where they found M dead." Oh, good lord. The "she bought bleach" disproved story again? I suggest you read the court testimony of Inspector Oreste Volturno and of Raffaele's maids which proved the shop keeper was either lying or mistaken. 6. "Amanda’s conduct so totally inappropriate as it all happened, clearly trying to cover up for whatever happened too! " Pointing out her own blood on the faucet and the bloody footprint on the bathmat to the police is hardly trying to cover up whatever happened. Neither is leaving Guede's bloody shoeprints in the corridor, his crap in the toilet, or the visible blood in the bathroom trying to "cover up" whatever happened.
I see you have no response. You've posted misinformation in several comment sections which I disproved by quoting and citing evidence from the court records. Perhaps you should stop commenting on a case you clearly don't know much about.
I must say i find it deeply inapproriate, that among the sources included is Knox's book, which if you do your research contains over 500 lies, among them the so called interrogation that never happened. She offered up information of her own accord, and was given a pen and paper. Of course the lies then continued, and haven't stopped since. I am suprised because Casefile is a decent podcast.
It is a decent podcast. The host does *real* research. It's creepy how obsessed you are with Amanda Knox. She's not going to be guilty no matter how much you want her to be.
To the pro-guilt, anything that Knox says that they don't BELIEVE is a 'lie' including your claim that "She offered up information of her own". The pro-guilt allow for no simple mistakes, no confused or imperfect memory; everything is a 'lie'. As for being given pen and paper, that never happened, and no interrogator ever claimed that. In fact, the police typed up the two statements in Italian and had her sign them. There is no record of the interrogation either written or recorded other than those two signed statements. There was no record of what questions were asked or what Knox answered typed up at the time of the interrogation.
Corrections 1. Postal police arrived at 12;57 not 12;35 - proof by garage video 2. Amanda seen bathmat blood after she showered 3. Bra was never cut anywhere, stitching was ripped. 4. Glass was never found on top of "moved" items(crime scene pics), but why would it matter, the burglar is ransacking, bizarre. 5. The rock was the size of a softball 2kilos. 6. No mud was present below the window. 7. Glass was inside below the window can be seen to this day, crime scene pics. 8.Filomena's window was below the road and any headlights. 9. Meredith never complained about Amanda, never happened. 10. RS never changed his story, he was forced to sign a document authored by police. 11. There was no bleach receipt ever found in this case. 12. Police thought RS shoes were a perfect match. 13. All prints found with luminol were unwiped and NEGATIVE for blood. 14. all profiles were omitted except for the five, RG RS AK MK PL 15. It rained on the 30th not Halloween.
You seem to have read all of the evidence. Quite a few years ago I spent a long weekend reading it all myself. Let me ask you. Do you think Knox/Sollecito were involved?
"8.Filomena's window was below the road and any headlights." I personally took videos from the parking garage roof across the street of cars driving by at night. Their headlights did NOT illuminate Filomena's window, so I know for a fact that your statement is accurate.
False. She bought a pair of red cotton thong underwear popular then as now with women. This is visible on the store CCTV video available in the court records, which I've watched. She had no clothing, including underwear, except for what she was wearing the afternoon of Nov. 2. The cottage was sequestered and she wasn't allowed to remove anything. 'Bubbles' does NOT sell lingerie. I've been in that store and it sells inexpensive clothing like tops, skirts, jeans, etc. targeted at the city students.
Knox was rightly acquitted of murder. But regrettable she has profited from the case and enjoyed successes on the back of it given that she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba.
She was coerced into accusing PL by the police who wrongly believed her text message to him was confirming a meeting later that night. They had already decided they knew what had happened from that text and were hellbent on getting her to sign statements to that effect. Within hours she told the police in writing that she had been scared, exhausted, and confused and that she didn't think that the statements she'd signed was what actually happened. The next day she was even more sure that it did not happen and again told them so in writing. They ignored both and kept PL in jail until forensic evidence and a witness forced them to release him.
@@mytrip6991 So you say. Doesn't sound remotely convincing to me. Even if she was tired and hungry after a long interrogation, she was not a child (though she often seemed to act like one). Her implication of an innocent man in such a horrific crime cannot be so easily excused as your unconvincing attempt. You make her sound psychotic. More likely she was just trying to throw Lumumba in the line of fire to distract from herself.
@@chel3SEY It's not what I say; it's what happened. Rita Ficarra, Knox's main interrogator testified in court..which I doubt you've read...that she was scrolling through Knox's phone and found her text to PL: " 'Certo ci vediamo più tardi buona serata!'" (Ok. See you later, have a good night!). Ficarra testified she saw that as Knox meeting up with PL later that night. She testified she asked AK who 'Patrik'(sic) was as his name appeared as the recipient. Knox made NO mention of him before then to Ficarra. Within hours of her arrest, the Chief of Police Arturo de Felice announced to the press: "Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles." The version of events Knox gave: She was at home with Raffaele all night. So how did the police "know" that was "not correct" as NO forensics test results had yet been reported to them and no witnesses said otherwise. Notice the use of the word "buckle" which means to bend or break UNDER PRESSURE after which she "made an admission" to what De Felice says the police "knew were correct" but they didn't as that NEVER HAPPENED. THEY were the ones insisting to Knox that she took PL there. "More likely she was just trying to throw Lumumba in the line of fire to distract from herself." Illogical. She IMPLICATES herself in a murder instead of sticking to her story that she never went there because she was trying to DISTRACT from herself? The police didn't charge her with being merely being in the kitchen; they charged her with actually helping to hold Meredith down while she was sexually assaulted and then being the one to kill her by sitting on top of her and cutting her throat. But there is not a single piece of evidence that she was even in that room: no DNA, no fingerprints, no bloody shoeprints. CAN YOU EXPLAIN how that could be possible? Guede certainly couldn't avoid leaving all that forensic evidence of his presence in that room.
@@chel3SEY "Even if she was tired and hungry after a long interrogation, she was not a child" She was 20 years old. We can go round in circles with this platitude if you like. But the fact remains that age in coerced false confessions is irrelevant. Anyone regardless of education or age can be grilled into making false statements. This is simply an established fact in science. Her implication of Lumumba took place in an interview that was strangely never recorded despite basic police procedure requiring it. "More likely she was just trying to throw Lumumba in the line of fire to distract from herself." Do you have any evidence for this or this just blind speculation?
Rudy Guede threw it from the parking parapet which was a few feet directly across from the window. It reflected a break-in at a law office earlier (second story rock thrown through window). Guede was caught by the police red-handed with a cell phone and laptop stolen from that office in his backpack just a few days before the murder.
@@ninedaysjane2466they WANT to believe it, despite there being zero evidence she was involved. Very similar to how people want to believe Chris Watts girlfriend was involved in his crimes despite a total lack of evidence. People often have agendas and being objective is not usually part of that.
@@rockstarofredondo Absolutely. A big problem is that people form an opinion early on and usually on little knowledge about a case. They remain convinced of that opinion regardless of evidence that later emerges that their opinion is incorrect. People would rather BE wrong than admit they ARE wrong.
She may not have been a murderer but she’s a shit person. She was selfish and cold after Meredith’s murder. Then her family spent lots of money on a PR team to sway US public opinion… and now, she is a millionaire from the books, podcasts, interviews, etc. She lied and accused an innocent black man and now she’s some sort of liberal social justice warrior in America? It’s laughable. She’s a weird person and capitalized on this horrific event. She lied and changed her story so many times. It’s hard to believe it was all coerced.
Glad to see Meredith mentioned. She is somehow getting lost in all the mess sorrounding her passing.
Very true 100% agree.
Ah. New to true crime and crime stories. The introduction focusing on her told me more about her then Ive ever heard before. (NOT that I've ever cared to follow the media sensationalized BS which is almost akeqys 100% tabloid entertainment since "news" is America is a private for profit business). She sounded like an absolutely wonderful young women.
Having said that: it was MUCH more of a bio, background, and humanizing then most victims in true crime get.
@@Loralanthalas 🙄
If you search her name on youtube, the first 10 videos are titled "Amanda Knox"...
Yes whilst Amanda's riding on the fame 🙄 becoming a 'media personality'
I like how the title thumbnail doesn’t mention anything about Amanda Knox…it doesn’t rely on clickbait or sensationalism…
Me, too. And so does the podcast (where I get my Casefile, before coming here to comment and find opinions.
Me too because I’m sick of this case being all about Amanda and Meredith gets forgotten
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I like the way you name the victims, instead of the perpetrators. I've seen it in several of your cases and I think it's very respectful. You do a very good job. Thank you for these cases. Best regards.
YAY, 'The Voice' returns 😁 We missed you 🥰
I was getting nervous!
I'm just saying so please hear me out.. there is NO ONE out there (podcast or youtube) who gets to make the story (any story) more interesting than you. I'm talking details, deep dive on the background, flow of info, cadence and.. that voice & accent.. c'mon.
Trust me on that, I WAS searching while you were afk :)
You're episodes are the GOAT. Thanks a lot and.. I hope to see your channel's 1 milion subs soon!
So.. hit that button everybody!
I whole heartedly agree, I love listening to casefile, def one of my favourites, so well done..
Strongly agree 😂
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Sub button hit! I just watched my first video from this channel a couple of weeks ago and have been playing catch-up since, so happy to be here!
What a way to start the new year!!! My heart aches for Meredith and her family 💐
Casefile, thank you! Not only a top quality production, with in depth and incisive research ....but also.... no ads!!!! Thanks again!
Casefile is epic. Voice, tone, and pace, ten out of ten. Content, compassion for victims 1st class. Always grips me from start to finish. Outstanding work. Thank you. I can't live without you. Please please never stop doing this. Love from a uk top fan. Xx
Absolutely agree. Started to listen to the podcast with episode 3 and have loved it like no other ever since. Might it be possible the Anonymous Host invented focusing on the victims, giving them a true platform, making their stories known, where - at least at the time - anybody was just fascinated by the perpetrators... the trend in true Crime has since followed him, but is receding already, I feel, and I can't stand it anymore... victims hardly being mentioned by name, certainly not recognisable as individual persons, while killers are being fawned over as o so interesting people.
Another great episode guys. Best true crime pod out there that doesn’t make light of the real cases for entertainment. Always expertly researched! So sad that I recognised Amanda Knox’s name from the press at the time, but not the victim’s name in this case.
Same here 😢
Can’t believe this well researched channel hasn’t hit a million by now 🤔
Maybe because it's mainly a podcast?
It's on just about every podcast hosting service.
450am, Feb 03 in Texas and I'm here for this!!
How is this the best documentary on Meredith's case that's out there? It's fantastic
It's full of factual errors.
@@mytrip6991 Can you point me to a better one?
@@chriscavy I wish I could but they all have errors, some worse than others. The trouble is that most of them are getting their information from other videos or off the internet and not from the court records. They often have little understanding of how the Italian justice system works when it comes to definitive judgments and judicial facts or what DNA can and can't tell us. Even the books on the case, almost all written before the final 2015 SC annulment or even before 2013, contain errors. Among the absolute worst are those 'online only' books (and I hate to even use that word for them) by Nick Van der Leek and the one by Barbie Nadeau who are both notoriously pro-guilt and error ridden. I'd suggest reading Amanda's and Raffaele's books as they are, at least, written by the two who experienced it. I do know that those who are pro-guilt will just claim the books are self-serving. As far as videos, stay away from "body language" experts who spout nonsense like the Behavior Panel. Scientific studies have shown it's unreliable and no more accurate at detecting deception than chance. But the worst of the worst videos are those by Robert Glass. She's absolutely nuts and she makes the most outrageous false and disproven claims. She's one of the worst pushers of misinformation and downright lies on the internet on this case.
True Crime Rocket Science.
@@kw2299 Thanks!
Welocme back missed Casefile so much and thanku xx
Oh my god its so great to have you back . Missed you so much❤❤
Oh!!!! My favourite bro is back ..i was waiting like hell for you bro❤
Welcome back Casefiles Presents. What a long wait but worth it. I swear we don't deserve Casefiles 😅
Welcome back , im so glad you back , I wa# so worried that you closed shop , thank you from Sydney Australia
2+ Hour video?!?! What did we do to deserve this?
Waited 2 months!!!!! I have been refreshing like crazy I gotta get my case file fix!
We are in the middle of snowmageddon….
@linziwade2529 they had a break. Every year they do in the same time period.
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Only waited what felt like 10 years.
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Finally back from break with a 2 hour ep. Hell yeah
I don't believe Amanda was friends with meredith, you would be roaring crying and not in a good state if that happened to your friend. The detective believed that there was more than one person who killed her.
You are projecting what you think someone would do onto another person. Everyone reacts differently. Amanda's reaction at first was confusion as she didn't understand what was going on due to the chaos and everyone speaking over each other in Italian. She only understood snippets. When it was explained to her that Meredith was dead and her throat had been cut, she burst into tears. That is the testimony of Luca Altieri who was there.
The police and Prosecutor Mignini believed a lot of things that later turned out to be false.
If more than one person was involved in the murder, then explain why only evidence of one person, Rudy Guede, was found in the bedroom aside from Meredith. THAT is the insurmountable problem the Supreme Court said the prosecution could not overcome.
@mytrip6991, Did Amanda cry before or after the cartwheels at the police station?
So happy to see a new upload!
my partner taught Meredith and went to her funeral. My partner is still haunted by her murder.
Understandable.
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Missed you buddy. Glad you're back.
Damn.. I was waiting for you. Woo!
Casefiles is back! 🕵♂👍
One of many qualities which I appreciate on this channel is the time that is given to the person murdered by the maniac. I have seen numerous documentaries signing the praises of A.K. Onl her I have learned anything about Meredith Kercher.
I've never heard anyone "singing the praises" of Amanda Knox, except the poor Italian guy who was in love with her. She just isn't guilty, no matter how much you want her to be.
@@ninedaysjane2466thank you. These people are deranged. Knox has been through years of worldwide slander, bullying and abuse and the gaslighting of the OP’s comment is just unreal. How do they sleep at night?
@@ninedaysjane2466 Where did OP say they thought AK was guilty? Don't manipulate someone's statement to fit your negative soul. Stating they've only heard about Amanda Knox all of this time and expressing appreciation for now getting to hear about Meredith doesn't imply they think AK is guilty. What kinda twisted delusions creates your logic?
@@rockstarofredondo Thank you? 😳 *Calling people derogatory names for their observations is deranged.*
Just because you don't prefer the group of words they chose "singing praises" does not make OP deranged and it's unfortunate you're not ashamed of yourself for saying so.
I don't know how old you are but I lived through this case in real time when it occurred and there absolutely WAS a lot of social outcry *across the world* for a looong time, including many expressing praise for A.K bc she was being falsely charged with mrdr - ofc there were tons to people "singing her praise" bc they were trying to show the world she was innocent...
Bc of that, Meredith and her life lost so tragically seemed to have been forgotten, not mentioned, no longer part of her own story bc of how the police handled the case and how they treated A.K.
OP stating what their experience has been with this case being focused on AK all these years, and being appreciative of finally learning about Meredith is a very normal, decent, human thing to do.
Criticizing that, is deranged
I like that, too, it's typical for Casefile and the reason why I consider it by a very wide margin the best true crime outlet anywhere.
OMG I had missed Casefile soooo much! This is incredible!
Thank God you boys are back. I've missed you all!
been listening to this dude since 2016. time goes by so fast
Yes! Casfile has a new video!
The best true crime narrarator on YT! 😊
Great coverage of this unbelievable case. The attitude of the Italian police and prosecution team was beyond words, just appalling. And the sloppiness of the investigation at the crime scene was shocking. Hats off the the defence team though, picking their way through the chaos and duplicitous 'evidence' presented to them. It feels like there's still nothing absolutely conclusive but, short of being able to preserve the crime scene and correctly collect the evidence all over again, it seems likely that they got their man in Rudy G. I did wonder about Rudy G's guilt after it was stated that Meredith could have defended herself against one attacker and therefore there must have been more, but then I remembered that she was exhausted at the time so perhaps could have more easily been overpowered by just one individual. One thing is certain though, it appears ridiculously easy to skew how the 'evidence' of a case will be perceived which seems to have been expertly done by the prosecution and Italian police, as I too was initially convinced, on what was being fed to us by the media, of Knox's guilt. What a nightmare for all involved, excepting the guilty party, of course.
Men can easily overpower women, karate training or not. People who have never been in actual fights or sparred in some sort of training really overestimate “karate” and other bogus martial arts, so it’s being brought up like it means something when it really doesn’t. It’s not going to give her any kind of advantage over a crazed criminal with a knife, probably high on drugs.
Karate isn’t practical. It’s for choreographic sparring. I’m an actual fight it isn’t going to help you much beyond having taught you to punch properly.
Women are overpowered by single attackers hundreds of times every single day of the year around the world.
The most common excuse that she couldn't have been is that she "knew karate". No, she didn't. She had a beginner's orange belt which is totally useless in defense.
To those putting karate as a means for defense, I say: correct. But it does make one strong. And fear for your life will also make one strong. And what about the evidence proving that she was held tight by the wrists with two hands while being stabbed (I heard that elsewhere).
Anyway, glad this is not my life, neither of those.
Sad for an obviously very nice young person's life being gone for kicks and fun, as I perceive it.
@@ulalaFrugilega Kercher only had beginner's orange belt according to her father. Useless for defense.
"And what about the evidence proving that she was held tight by the wrists with two hands while being stabbed (I heard that elsewhere)."
Be careful relying on what you 'hear' anywhere unless it's a credible source backed up with evidence. In this case, it's not.
The pathologists' reports mention no bruises on her wrists but bruises on face, neck, left elbow, right forearm, right hand, left thigh, right shin, over both iliac crests of the pelvic bone, vaginal area and skull. See Drs. Lalli's and Cingolani's reports.
' very nice young person's life being gone for kicks and fun, as I perceive it."
Your perception is not based on the evidence. Can you explain how 3 people could participate in a violent, hand-on sexual assault and murder and only ONE of them leave multiple pieces of forensic evidence behind? Only Guede left his DNA in several place including Kercher's body, bra, jacket and in Kercher's blood on her purse, his fingerprint in her blood, his shoeprints in her blood.
Love the perspective on this case! It’s so good to finally hear about Meredith. Even here in the UK at the time, the focus was all on Knox, and it was easy to miss that the poor victim was a British girl.
How could anyone miss the fact that Meredith was from the UK? Almost every account, if not all accounts, in the media included that fact. It was why the story was so big in the UK. If Guede's victim had been any nationality but British, the story would have been a small blurb on page 4 for a day.
I have noticed that many have always believed Amanda Knox was guilty, and I have come to the conclusion that all these years later, many STILL believe she was guilty of the horrific crimes, or had some input. And there are so many peeps here in the comments sticking up for Amandas' character, but noone has actually addressed whyyyyyy she initially implicated the bar owner at the beginning of the investigation, and later retracted it. THATTTTT fact alone has made me feel quite uneasy with her her character and testimony.
Really? In all of your readings on this murder you have never seen the words "internalized false confession", or anyone pointing out that when Amanda and Raffaele were "interviewed" that all of the cops forgot to press the record button resulting in no recordings of Amanda or Raffaele's interrogations. In my readings, I have seen extensive discussion on why Amanda would falsely accuse her former boss.
@@dsugar120 no matter the reasons, NO ONE would EVER falsely accuse another innocent person for murder. regardless, she is to this day, due to face court in 2024 for "slandering" the bar owner, which I think is rightly so. If someone accused meeeeee of such murder, i would do everything, like Patrick, the bar owner, to bring this Amanda to face justice for such an atroscious accusation
@@petroszakhariadis8623 Please do me a favour and read the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Four, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case. The West Memphis Three, Norfolk Four, and the Central Park Five are cases where innocent suspects falsely accused other innocent people. Once you agree that false accusation happen, and are unfortunately more common than one would have thought, you can objectively look at why Amanda may have accused an innocent man.
@@petroszakhariadis8623 Please do me a favour and read the following: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_confession, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Four, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case. The West Memphis Three, Norfolk Four, and the Central Park Five are cases where innocent suspects falsely accused other innocent people. Once you agree that false accusation happen, and are unfortunately more common than one would have thought, you can objectively look at why Amanda may have accused an innocent man.
@@petroszakhariadis8623 Please do me a favour and read the following: false confessions, West Memphis Three, Norfolk Four, Central Park Five. The West Memphis Three, Norfolk Four, and the Central Park Five are cases where innocent suspects falsely accused other innocent people. False confessions, including ones that the suspect accuses other innocents (because that's what the police interrogators are looking for) happen more often than we think. Once you agree that false accusation happen, and are unfortunately more common than one would have thought, you can objectively look at why Amanda may have accused an innocent man.
This entire case is such a cluster fuck
Thank you for coming back!
I stopped listening to this podcast a couple of years ago because - despite the always impeccable research - the narrator had begun amping up the delivery to an intolerable extent.
What a joy to stumble on this and find you guys have reverted to a more naturalistic style. Resubscribing!
Omg yes!!!! Thank you! I’ve been waiting!
Fantastic 2 hours now my Saturday morning is off to a great start. Especially the first video of 2024 is a treat.
The poor Kercher family. R.I.P. Meredith 😢
What truth? We all know the truth. Rudy Guede broke into the house and raped and killed Meredith. Is there something I’m missing?
Truth is clear she was murdered by rudy geude
The truth is 100% clear. You just desperately want Amanda to be guilty and it's bizarre.
@@ninedaysjane2466 You call me obsessive! How much are they paying you ?
@@ninedaysjane2466do you think she was guilty? I think she was just a scapegoat
Stellar content as always!!!! Much 💜!
I followed this case in detail and this piece of work or should I say work of art is first class. At no point is Meredith ever forgotten and the impact on her family truly heart breaking. In my world this video would get an award.
Yaaaa! We've missed this voice! 🎉🎉🎉
Missed you. Best true crime podcast out there 👏
Welcome back case file
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We've missed you !!!
After listening to more of the podcast, additional factual errors made in this podcast include:
1) 13:02: "at 12"35 p.m. two officers from the postal police arrived at number seven via De la pergola to ask about the discarded phones. "
It was established that the postal police's claim of arriving at 12:35 was wrong and that they arrived closer to 12:58. Massei (first trial) and Hellman (first appeal trial) both agreed that the phone records, CCTV video, and the police log confirmed they could not have arrived earlier than 12:58. See their motivation reports.
2) 22:41: a 4 kg Rock roughly the size of a human head was found"
The average human head circumference is 57 cm (22.5 inches) for men and 55 cm (21.75 inches) for women.
The rock thrown through the window measured 22 cm (8.6 inches) x 18 cm (7.0 inches). (court records)
3) 22:47: "... Filomena's window on the second floor was fitted with wooden shutters which she insisted she'd left closed yet the shutters were found only slightly a jar ..."
Filomena said she could not fully close or lock the shutters because they'd warped. She could only pull them partially closed before the window sill obstructed them closing.
4) 23:32 : "Filomena's window was roughly 3 and 1/2 M off the ground and there was nothing underneath to climb on"
False There was a metal grate on the window directly below Filomena's window which enabled someone to stand on it, reach up to the shutters and pull them open. This was proven by photos of Delfo Berretti, from Raffaele's lawyer's office, doing exactly that. It is also shown in a video made by a UK TV documentary available on YT: Amanda Knox Trial 5 Key Questions 2013.
5) 24:26 -"the rock itself also raised questions. At 4 kg it would have been incredibly difficult for someone to heave it so high into the air when a smaller lighter Rock could have just as
easily done it"
Ballistic expert Francesco Pasquale presented a video of 3 recreations in court using a rock the same size and weight and a window with the same size and type of glass in Filomena's room. He showed the rock being easily tossed through the window using ONE hand. Comparing the glass shatter pattern and glass distribution from his 3 recreations and the police photos, he concluded the rock was thrown from the outside, NOT UP, but ACROSS from the parking parapet about 3.5 meters directly opposite Filomena's window.
6) 25:11- "it also didn't make sense that an intruder would target Filomena's bedroom
over one of the others in addition to being difficult to reach it was in full view of the Main Street and lit up by the headlights of any passing cars.
ALL the other windows had metal safety grates covering them as shown in the police photos. The only exceptions were Filomena's and Amanda's windows. Amanda's window was less than half the size of Filomena's making entrance more difficult. See the police photos. Both these windows later had metal safety grates installed when the cottage was put up for sale.
7 0 25:28 "the rear windows were not only out of sight but one had a table and chair underneath it which could have been climbed upon to scale "
If you had bothered to do look at the police photos of the cottage, it's easily seen that all these windows were protected with metal grates.
Filomena's window is NOT highlighted by cars' headlights as I've personally observed and recorded on my camera when I visited Perugia.
Are you Amanda? If yes, why haven’t you payed Patrick Lumumba, and you are still doing money over Meredith’s name! You SEE YOURSELF as a VICTIM but the real victims are Meredith with family.
Such a lier, Amanda foxy noxy. Read her book and you’ll understand what self centered and egocentric person she is
So happy your back ❤
CF....as always, you are the BEST!!!!!💝
this episode is so sad, listening to how so many innocent people were wronged is truly terrible to hear. i find the fact that Patrick was in prison for 3 WEEKS without any evidence is honestly ridiculous, how can the police arrest a man purely based on one person's testimony without even trying to find evidence first. and poor amanda, the way the press and media dragged her name through the mud is tragic, both her and her boyfriend deserved so much better. the italian police really let down so many people with this case.
It wasn't even Knox's 'testimony' ; it was two statements written up by the police and signed by Knox which she retracted within hours of the illegally obtained statements more than once. The police ignored them including the one where she clearly wrote she couldn't now who the murderer was because she didn't go back to the cottage that night.
Amanda did it, no ifs or bits about it. I don't care what anyone says. All this case proves is that an American white girl can get away with anything if she cries hard enough.
@@robokill387 In other words, you've formed an opinion solely based on her being 'an American white girl' and it doesn't matter what evidence there is that she's not guilty, you don't care. If you ever sit on a jury, I just pray the defendant isn't "an American white girl".
@@mytrip6991Amanda Knox is guilty AF
Just because people realize that Karen's often get their way , doesn't mean there wasn't plenty of evidence against Amanda
@@mytrip6991
Late in the evening, at 10:40 PM, on November 5, 2007 Raffaele was called to the police station to answer some questions. Amanda tagged along though she wasn’t expected to be there. Soon after being questioned alone, Raffaele admitted that Amanda had put him up to lying and saying that she was with him that whole night.
However, this was all “rubbish.” Raffaele then told the police that Amanda had gone out that night and did not return until 1:00 AM.
On the night of the murder, both Raffaele and Amanda uncharacteristically turned off their cell phones at approximately 8:45 PM and kept them off until 6:00 AM the following morning.
Amanda and Raffaele had told the police that they had slept until 10:30 AM that morning which is a contradiction to Raffaele’s cell phone being turned on at 6:00 AM, another lie.
Their cell phone records, changing alibis, and slander establish the fact that Amanda and Raffaele lied multiple times during the investigation. Because of this, nothing they say can be taken at face value.
Good Saturday morning Casefile
Thanks for this very good informative summary of the live and murder of Meredith.
Thankyou casefile ❤
Really well done
Very good video, thank you!
Yay...ur back.! .missed u on a saturday...Hope alla ok with u.? Great vid..thnku ❤
Oh good, you're back 😃
Hurray!! I missed you ❤
I don't Know wether Amanda Knox is guilty or not. But I know that when this heinous crime happened in the house where she was living the first thing she did when speaking to the police was blaming a black person she knew in Perugia that had absolutely nothing to do with the crime and now she is even an 'activist for the wrongly accused'.
This is ridicoluos beyond any reasonable doubt.
I thought it was someone else with the same name when I searched and saw the word activist next to it. What a joke. And that person that supposedly killed Meredith couldn't have entered the house without a key , or let by someone with a key in. They said from the beginning that there was no forced entry and that the window that was broken was smashed after the killing took place. The other tenants had solid alibies, and I doubt Meredith would have left the dude in like he supposedly said. By how Amanda reacted in the beginning, it's obvious she knew more than she let out.
@@loredanadincu4300 yes, she acted like she was hiding the truth since the beginning. And it's not just a story that was made up by the media, these are facts documented in police reports and interrogation.
The hypothesis of the defense that Raffaele's DNA was transferred to the bra clasp by contamination because he was the one that smashed down Meredith door and due to the movement of people in the room in the following days is far less likely than the prosecutors hypothesis that DNA was here because Raffaele actually touched the clasp to stretch it behind the back of Meredith before cutting it with the knife, that also explains why the DNA was inside the bra on the clasp and not outside. The bra wasn't normally undressed, it was cut with a knife that was put between Meredith's back and the bra and then pulled strongly cutting the bra.
@@loredanadincu4300oh lord 🙄
@suzannah991 What's up with the rolling eyes emoji . If you have a problem with my comment, you should have come with real arguments in the reply you posted, not with puerile stuff.
There is overwhelming evidence that shows that all three people, Guede, Knox, and Sollecito were there when the crime happened. Forensic evidence in regard to DNA, via blood and other materials mixed with Meredith's. A big clean up was done, lies upon lies, etc. In the end a lot of money and a big PR campaign that involved politicians from the US got Knox out. Sollecito had more than enough connections. Guede was definitely there, but may not have killed her.
Recent sub going through your vids.
You are excellent at reporting these cases with truth and empathy. I am now watching the Karen Read trial in Massachusetts USA. WOW! The way the media can be used by the law enforcement and the prosecution has put a lot of people in jail. With the media against you it is more like you are guilty full stop. Thank you for always remembering the victims.
I think it's absolutely insane that the actual murderer and rapist got only 13 years in prison. Italian justice system massive L
That's so true. They are so bad at investigating. Many cases remain unsolved here
What shame the other 2 culprits are on the loose
@@maluribeiro68who? What evidence supports that?
@@mlwsmp if you ever care to examine all the circumstancial evidence the jury considered at the first trial, perhaps you will understand.
Strange how people who know almost nothing about a case will disrespect a jury who exhaustively considered the evidence
Casefile certainly wants you to perceive this to be an impartial examination, but it was something of a whitewash
Myself, I wonder if the night (she helped murder Meredith) ever creeps up on her in those wee hours of the morning when sleep eludes her. As for myself, it wouldn't be worth it. But then I have no sociopathic issues
I guess if we tell ourselves a lie enough times, we will eventually believe the lie -- this could be somewhat helpful
Hey you are back. Happy new year ° NZ
I think this is the most comprehensive study I've listened to on this case. Completely impartial and fair to everyone involved. I learned a lot of facts I had previously not known. I don't know we'll ever know 100% for sure what happened but I'm pretty sure Amanda Knox is innocent. The media have a thirst for sensationalising tragedy and this is one of the worst cases of all time, it's despicable the way they misrepresented Amanda Knox and also removed the focus from Meredith.
It's very common for the media to concentrate on the murder suspect rather than the victim during the trial, especially after the initial reporting of the murder itself.
@@mytrip6991 Yeah but I don't think there's ever been a case quite so extreme as this, the whole thing became about 'Foxy Knoxy' the sexy femme fatal.
@@grahamblack1961 I agree. This case had just the right sensational ingredients for the tabloid hacks like Nick Pisa: girl on girl murder, sexual assault, manipulated( by an evil 'vixen') men, 3 nationalities, etc. Amanda had no control over that at all.
@@grahamblack1961 the whole foxy noxy name from the media was beyond disgusting. Rip meredith
@@shona- You can thank the disgusting Nick Pisa for that. The same guy who admitted he didn't care if what he was reporting was accurate or not as long as he got paid.
Nicely done 😊
the fact that the guy who did this only got 16 years is insane.
That's the true injustice here, but too many people are obsessed with proving Amanda Knox guilty.
The fact that the Italian police and courts tried to cover up that he actually did it and went after 2 innocent bystanders is what’s most insane.
I've never learned Meredith's story. The ordeal with Amanda has always been what I've heard.
I'm sorry that I've never learned about her sooner.
Happy happy you're back, Mum, and i listen to your podcast she kept asking when your back lol
Oh how i have missed you!!🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Amanda comes across as flaky, very flaky
And?
Hooray! Finally a new vid 😀
I’ve rarely come upon, or seen in regular real life a caring, very beautiful and sophisticated young lady like Meredith. Something about A Knox never ceases to make me instinctively cringe
Weird, hateful thing to say, but ok.
Patrick was innocent. Also, Meredith took out the 250 dollars for her rent but it was never paid and Meredith had told someone she thought Amanda might have stolen it. Amanda was found with exactly 215 dollars on her at the police station. Also she wasn't "delighted to be off work" he had fired her and wanted to hire Meredith to replace Amanda at the bar. Part of why she tried to frame him for revenge. Justice for Meredith and her family! 🙏🏻😡❤🩹💔
Wow. So much misinformation!
1. "Also, Meredith took out the 250 dollars for her rent but it was never paid and Meredith had told someone she thought Amanda might have stolen it."
That's because the rent was due the day after her murder and it was stolen the night before.
Both Amanda and Meredith had withdrawn their rent money as bank records in the court records show. Rudy Guede, the only remaining convicted killer, CLAIMED Meredith told HIM that Amanda might have stolen it. She told no one else that, including her friends or family. She barely knew Guede so why would she tell him that? Because HE stole her money which is why the forensic tests showed Guede's DNA in Merredith's blood on her purse, and no one else's.
2. "Amanda was found with exactly 215 dollars on her at the police station."
No, Amanda was NOT found with "exactly 215 dollars on her at the police station". No court records show that nor was it ever claimed by the prosecution in any of the trials as the transcripts show.
3. "Also she wasn't "delighted to be off work" he had fired her and wanted to hire Meredith to replace Amanda at the bar."
You got that from a Daily Mail tabloid article that was full of nonsense. Patrick never fired her nor was he planning to replace her with Meredith as he testified in court under oath that he had texted Amanda not to come to work that night as business was slow and to come on her next regularly scheduled night. He made no mention of planning to fire her or to replace her with Meredith. Read his testimony in the court records and not tabloid articles.
4. "Part of why she tried to frame him for revenge. "
Nonsense. Since none of what you wrote was true as disproved by his own testimony, what "revenge" would she need?
Thank you! I've read and heard about this case from several sources, including from Amanda herself, and I must say there is somenthing strange and cringe about her... despite everything.
The only thing I'm sure of is this case is incomplete. I'm willing to bet that in ten or twenty years we will discover there were elements that were never made public.
Excellent!
Really good podcast, you can see you have done your research unlike other criminal profilers and crime YTbers with the regular A. Knox hoaxes. 👏
What a mess. Rest in peace Meredith 🕊
I remember the news coverage on this case. What a convoluted mess.
This case is unfortunate. Regardless who did it, every single person involved behaved strangly. Even if Amanda is innocent, you cant help but wonder why was her behavior so weird? and why were the police acting off of an incling instead of actual evidence? There are so many questions, and all their lives are clearly intertwined with eachother in a way that we clearly do not know.
Im not saying i know who did it, but i do think that the whole story isnt being told.
All I can say is- Poor Meredith.....and Meredith's Mum and Dad must have felt totally robbed of justice.
They did feel robbed of justice because they totally accepted what the police and prosecution were telling them which is absolutely normal. Families of victims seldom side with the defense unless the defendant is also a family member/loved one. It's a normal reaction to believe those who are telling you they have identified the one/ones who murdered your loved one. Some families cannot accept a defendant's acquittal even after evidence proves they are innocent.
Except Amanda wasn't innocent, she's 110% guilty and got away with murder.
@@robokill387 Because, according to you in another comment, an "American white girls can get away with anything if she cries hard enough." You've made up your mind and no matter what evidence shows she's not guilty you "don't care".
Casefile Presents is.....BRILLIANT!!!!!!! This is my first time on here. FABULOUS.!!!!!!!
It only seems brilliant if you don't know the case facts. There are numerous factual errors in it including:
1) 4:53: Amanda was not "22", she had turned 20 the previous July.
2) 5:33: Meredith did not attend the Univ. for Foreigners; she attended the Univ. of Perugia. Knox attended the Univ. for Foreigners.
3) 10:33: Amanda did not see the blood on the bath mat before taking the shower as claimed here. Amanda reported seeing 3 tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet (not in the sink) and took a shower. She only saw the watery bloody footprint on the bath mat when she stepped out of the shower onto the mat. (See her testimony)
4) 11:27: It wasn't Filomena who "was worried that Meredith might have cut herself and gone out to seek medical care accidentally leaving the front door open behind her", but her friend, Paola Grande, who suggested that to Filomena. (see Filomena's interview with Mignini on Dec 3, 2007 pg. 40)
5) 12:42: "This time Amanda told her someone's been in your room. They smashed your window but it's bizarre it doesn't look like they've taken anything."
Amanda never told Filomena that. It was Raffaele who told the police that because Amanda didn't see anything obvious taken, including a valuable camera and laptop in plain sight in Filomena's room.
6)13:07- "at 12:35 p.m. two officers from the
postal police arrived at number seven via Dela pergola"
This is what the postal police claimed, but the court records show that they arrived AFTER the 112 calls had been concluded at 12:55: the second 112 call at 12:54:39 lasted 57 seconds (Sollecito's cellphone log) so the postal police could NOT have arrived before then at 12:35. Why did the narrator not mention this?
Hellmann Report: "There has been much discussion on whether the call to 112 happened before or after the arrival of the Police, with it having been hypothesized by the Public Minister that the call to the Carabinieri at 112 had been made on seeing the arrival of the Police, just to validate the notion [tesi] of their innocence. Except that even the Corte di Assise of first level, on the basis of the testimony given by the on-duty Police personnel and of the times reproduced from the logs, arrived at the conclusion that these calls had been made before the arrival of the Police and unaware of their imminent arrival.
7) 14:16- " but strangely valuable items
such as a laptop, gold jewelry, a digital camera and designer sunglasses sat untouched out in the open"
No gold jewelry was 'out in the open'. Filomena's jewelry was in box in her nightstand:
QUESTION - and then the jewelry was kept where?
ANSWER - In a bedside jewelry case in the nightstand.
(Romanelli testimony Feb 3, 2009)
Wow that's an awful lot of errors. That's not fair on anyone in this, if the facts aren't absolutely correct. One or two maybe, but that's way too much.
@@margaretstewart2575 Those are just the ones I found up to 14:16 minutes. The amount of misinformation on this case that is on the internet is shocking.
The return of the king
nvm its broken lol
nvm it's fixed
There were so many factual errors in under 8 minutes of this recording that I stopped listening to it.
1) 4:53: Amanda was not "22", she had turned 20 the previous July.
2) 5:33: Meredith did not attend the Univ. for Foreigners; she attended the Univ. of Perugia. Knox attended the Univ. for Foreigners.
3) 10:33: Amanda did not see the blood on the bath mat before taking the shower as claimed here. Amanda reported seeing 3 tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet (not in the sink) and took a shower. She only saw the watery bloody footprint on the bath mat when she stepped out of the shower onto the mat. (See her testimony)
4) 11:27: It wasn't Filomena who "was worried that Meredith might have cut herself and gone out to seek medical care accidentally leaving the front door open behind her", but her friend, Paola Grande, who suggested that to Filomena. (see Filomena's interview with Mignini on Dec 3, 2007 pg. 40)
5) 12:42: "This time Amanda told her someone's been in your room. They smashed your window but it's bizarre it doesn't look like they've taken anything." Amanda never told Filomena that. It was Raffaele who told the police that because Amanda didn't see anything obvious taken, including a valuable camera and laptop in plain sight in Filomena's room.
Edited to correct time to "under 8 minutes" in the first line.
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If you stop listening at 7 minutes why do you continue asshatery as far as 12+ minutes? 😒
@@honeybadger3570 I meant to say I stopped after finding so many errors between minutes 4:53 and 12:42. Does that change my point? Apparently, you consider pointing out factual errors as being 'asshatery' (sic). Instead, why not disprove my claims they were factual errors? I can prove every single one of them is a factual error with quotes and citations Can you do the same? If not, then I suggest you stop with the asshattery.
@@mytrip6991 Don't manipulate my words, I have no issue with corrections of errors... *the condescending, insulting, rude manner in which you did it is the asshatery*
📢 "I meant to say..." 🤣🤣🤣 oooooohhhh okay so _you're allowed_ accidental errors but _the creator isn't_ smdh I see how you roll now... nice hypocrisy right there
@@mytrip6991 📢 "I meant to say...." 🤣🤣🤣 Ooooohhh so you're allowed accidental errors but the creator isn't?
Nice hyp⁰crisy right there, glass house.
Factual corrections bother me none - it's the added the rŭde, insŭlting and cøndescending attitude that is unnecessary
@@honeybadger3570
Here's more "asshatery" (sic) for you from this video:
1)13:07- "at 12:35 p.m. two officers from the
postal police arrived at number seven via Dela pergola"
This is what the postal police claimed, but the court records show that they arrived AFTER the 112 calls had been concluded at 12:55: the second 112 call at 12:54:39 lasted 57 seconds (Sollecito's cellphone log) so the postal police could NOT have arrived before then at 12:35. Why did the narrator not mention this?
Hellmann Report: "There has been much discussion on whether the call to 112 happened before or after the arrival of the Police, with it having been hypothesized by the Public Minister that the call to the Carabinieri at 112 had been made on seeing the arrival of the Police, just to validate the notion [tesi] of their innocence. Except that even the Corte di Assise of first level, on the basis of the testimony given by the on-duty Police personnel and of the times reproduced from the logs, arrived at the conclusion that these calls had been made before the arrival of the Police and unaware of their imminent arrival.
2) 14:16- " but strangely valuable items
such as a laptop, gold jewelry, a digital camera and designer sunglasses sat untouched out in the open"
No gold jewelry was 'out in the open'. Filomena's jewelry was in box in her nightstand:
QUESTION - and then the jewelry was kept where?
ANSWER - In a bedside jewelry case in the nightstand.
(Romanelli testimony Feb 3, 2009)
So many suspects....and only one culprit.
It’s so sad! So terribly sad for her family!
What a tragic story!
The daughter raped by at least one person, terrorized; possibly pressed by Rafaele too because Meredith was actually fit and strong!
The 3 being seemed together same night just a bit before the rape. So many lies! - the Italian police didn’t event that!
He turned off his cell and lied about the time. Ama nada lied about where she spent most of the night and went to a grocery shop early the morning where they found M dead.
Amanda’s conduct so totally inappropriate as it all happened, clearly trying to cover up for whatever happened too!
The parents dying young!
Your kid goes to study for a yr in a sort of exchange program or whatever, and you never see them again, and have to accept the brutality and torture with which your child has been murdered!
The bastard gets only 13 yrs in jail.
The accomplices walk free.
You are posting so much misinformation.
1. " possibly pressed by Rafaele too because Meredith was actually fit and strong! "
Do you know how many "fit and strong" women are raped and murdered by ONE man every single day? Especially a man with a knife? Your assumption is naive.
2. "The 3 being seemed together same night just a bit before the rape. So many lies! - the Italian police didn’t event that! "
Because it never happened. Only one man named Kokomani, a convicted cocaine dealer, claimed he saw Guede, Sollecito, and Knox together the night of the murder and he was discredited because his story was insane. He claimed he was driving by the cottage on a rainy night (it didn't rain the night of Nov. 1) and Knox jumped out from the middle of the road wielding a knife. He fought her off by throwing olives at her. He continued with a rambling story of Guede wanting to 'borrow his car' and a birthday cake. Even the pre-trial judge, Micheli, called his claims "irrelevant ravings". Kokomani also claimed he'd seen Amanda and Raffaele in a cafe the previous summer BEFORE she had even arrived in Perugia and long before she'd met Raffaele only a week before the murder. He also said Amanda had a gap between her front teeth. Which she does not. The jurors and courtroom spectators literally laughed at his testimony.
3. "He turned off his cell and lied about the time."
He didn't lie. He always said he turned off his cell the evening of Nov. 1. What you're getting confused is that he never mentioned turning it back on early the next morning at his apartment when played some music on it which was irrelevant. He never said he DIDN'T turn it back on but the police presented this as him lying about it. Why would he need to mention listening to some music which had nothing to do with the murder?
4. "Ama nada lied about where she spent most of the night"
No, she did not. No evidence placed her outside Raffaele's apartment that night: no credible witness as already discussed, no cell phone activity, no CCTV video. Nothing except her coerced interrogation statements which she retracted within hours per the ECHR's ruling.
5. "and went to a grocery shop early the morning where they found M dead."
Oh, good lord. The "she bought bleach" disproved story again? I suggest you read the court testimony of Inspector Oreste Volturno and of Raffaele's maids which proved the shop keeper was either lying or mistaken.
6. "Amanda’s conduct so totally inappropriate as it all happened, clearly trying to cover up for whatever happened too! "
Pointing out her own blood on the faucet and the bloody footprint on the bathmat to the police is hardly trying to cover up whatever happened. Neither is leaving Guede's bloody shoeprints in the corridor, his crap in the toilet, or the visible blood in the bathroom trying to "cover up" whatever happened.
I see you have no response. You've posted misinformation in several comment sections which I disproved by quoting and citing evidence from the court records. Perhaps you should stop commenting on a case you clearly don't know much about.
Sick to death of the name Amanda Knox.
The why are you commenting on a video about her?
Where have you been, missed you Matey 👍
I must say i find it deeply inapproriate, that among the sources included is Knox's book, which if you do your research contains over 500 lies, among them the so called interrogation that never happened. She offered up information of her own accord, and was given a pen and paper. Of course the lies then continued, and haven't stopped since. I am suprised because Casefile is a decent podcast.
It is a decent podcast. The host does *real* research. It's creepy how obsessed you are with Amanda Knox. She's not going to be guilty no matter how much you want her to be.
And you are the authority on Knox's alleged lies how exactly???
@@madisonjewell7017the complaint is happening because the creator is not piling onto Knox like the haters demand.
To the pro-guilt, anything that Knox says that they don't BELIEVE is a 'lie' including your claim that "She offered up information of her own". The pro-guilt allow for no simple mistakes, no confused or imperfect memory; everything is a 'lie'. As for being given pen and paper, that never happened, and no interrogator ever claimed that. In fact, the police typed up the two statements in Italian and had her sign them. There is no record of the interrogation either written or recorded other than those two signed statements. There was no record of what questions were asked or what Knox answered typed up at the time of the interrogation.
Corrections
1. Postal police arrived at 12;57 not 12;35 - proof by garage video
2. Amanda seen bathmat blood after she showered
3. Bra was never cut anywhere, stitching was ripped.
4. Glass was never found on top of "moved" items(crime scene pics), but why would it matter, the burglar is ransacking, bizarre.
5. The rock was the size of a softball 2kilos.
6. No mud was present below the window.
7. Glass was inside below the window can be seen to this day, crime scene pics.
8.Filomena's window was below the road and any headlights.
9. Meredith never complained about Amanda, never happened.
10. RS never changed his story, he was forced to sign a document authored by police.
11. There was no bleach receipt ever found in this case.
12. Police thought RS shoes were a perfect match.
13. All prints found with luminol were unwiped and NEGATIVE for blood.
14. all profiles were omitted except for the five, RG RS AK MK PL
15. It rained on the 30th not Halloween.
You seem to have read all of the evidence. Quite a few years ago I spent a long weekend reading it all myself. Let me ask you. Do you think Knox/Sollecito were involved?
"8.Filomena's window was below the road and any headlights."
I personally took videos from the parking garage roof across the street of cars driving by at night. Their headlights did NOT illuminate Filomena's window, so I know for a fact that your statement is accurate.
1:20:45
She didn't buy underwear,she bought lingerie homie
False. She bought a pair of red cotton thong underwear popular then as now with women. This is visible on the store CCTV video available in the court records, which I've watched. She had no clothing, including underwear, except for what she was wearing the afternoon of Nov. 2. The cottage was sequestered and she wasn't allowed to remove anything.
'Bubbles' does NOT sell lingerie. I've been in that store and it sells inexpensive clothing like tops, skirts, jeans, etc. targeted at the city students.
Great video. That crime is suspicious in that they, Amanda and bf, may indeed be involved.
Literally zero evidence of that whatsoever.
@@rockstarofredondoliterally evidence of that lmao
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Knox was rightly acquitted of murder. But regrettable she has profited from the case and enjoyed successes on the back of it given that she falsely accused Patrick Lumumba.
She was coerced into accusing PL by the police who wrongly believed her text message to him was confirming a meeting later that night. They had already decided they knew what had happened from that text and were hellbent on getting her to sign statements to that effect. Within hours she told the police in writing that she had been scared, exhausted, and confused and that she didn't think that the statements she'd signed was what actually happened. The next day she was even more sure that it did not happen and again told them so in writing. They ignored both and kept PL in jail until forensic evidence and a witness forced them to release him.
@@mytrip6991 So you say. Doesn't sound remotely convincing to me. Even if she was tired and hungry after a long interrogation, she was not a child (though she often seemed to act like one). Her implication of an innocent man in such a horrific crime cannot be so easily excused as your unconvincing attempt. You make her sound psychotic. More likely she was just trying to throw Lumumba in the line of fire to distract from herself.
@@chel3SEY It's not what I say; it's what happened. Rita Ficarra, Knox's main interrogator testified in court..which I doubt you've read...that she was scrolling through Knox's phone and found her text to PL: " 'Certo ci vediamo più tardi buona serata!'" (Ok. See you later, have a good night!). Ficarra testified she saw that as Knox meeting up with PL later that night. She testified she asked AK who 'Patrik'(sic) was as his name appeared as the recipient. Knox made NO mention of him before then to Ficarra. Within hours of her arrest, the Chief of Police Arturo de Felice announced to the press:
"Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles."
The version of events Knox gave: She was at home with Raffaele all night.
So how did the police "know" that was "not correct" as NO forensics test results had yet been reported to them and no witnesses said otherwise.
Notice the use of the word "buckle" which means to bend or break UNDER PRESSURE after which she "made an admission" to what De Felice says the police "knew were correct" but they didn't as that NEVER HAPPENED. THEY were the ones insisting to Knox that she took PL there.
"More likely she was just trying to throw Lumumba in the line of fire to distract from herself."
Illogical. She IMPLICATES herself in a murder instead of sticking to her story that she never went there because she was trying to DISTRACT from herself? The police didn't charge her with being merely being in the kitchen; they charged her with actually helping to hold Meredith down while she was sexually assaulted and then being the one to kill her by sitting on top of her and cutting her throat. But there is not a single piece of evidence that she was even in that room: no DNA, no fingerprints, no bloody shoeprints. CAN YOU EXPLAIN how that could be possible? Guede certainly couldn't avoid leaving all that forensic evidence of his presence in that room.
@@chel3SEYyour implication on her of such a horrific crime is awful.
@@chel3SEY "Even if she was tired and hungry after a long interrogation, she was not a child"
She was 20 years old. We can go round in circles with this platitude if you like. But the fact remains that age in coerced false confessions is irrelevant. Anyone regardless of education or age can be grilled into making false statements. This is simply an established fact in science. Her implication of Lumumba took place in an interview that was strangely never recorded despite basic police procedure requiring it.
"More likely she was just trying to throw Lumumba in the line of fire to distract from herself."
Do you have any evidence for this or this just blind speculation?
Thank you for the trigger warning, I'll watch a different video of yours and just give this one a like. Really appreciate it 🩷
Then who threw the rock and why?
Rudy Guede threw it from the parking parapet which was a few feet directly across from the window. It reflected a break-in at a law office earlier (second story rock thrown through window). Guede was caught by the police red-handed with a cell phone and laptop stolen from that office in his backpack just a few days before the murder.
The fact that the police blamed Amanda, I don’t believe for a minute that Amanda committed this crime.
Many people (particularly in the UK) still believe it. It's nuts.
@@ninedaysjane2466they WANT to believe it, despite there being zero evidence she was involved. Very similar to how people want to believe Chris Watts girlfriend was involved in his crimes despite a total lack of evidence. People often have agendas and being objective is not usually part of that.
@@rockstarofredondo Absolutely. A big problem is that people form an opinion early on and usually on little knowledge about a case. They remain convinced of that opinion regardless of evidence that later emerges that their opinion is incorrect. People would rather BE wrong than admit they ARE wrong.
Also the British press at the time was a absolute disgrace. There just wasn't enough evidence to conflict Amanda Knox and her boyfriend of murder.
I still have doubts about Knox. Or maybe I just don't like her personality that much.
Literally have DNA evidence of who did it...not Amanda
@@christopherhorn1161they literally concluded that he didn’t act alone?
She may not have been a murderer but she’s a shit person. She was selfish and cold after Meredith’s murder. Then her family spent lots of money on a PR team to sway US public opinion… and now, she is a millionaire from the books, podcasts, interviews, etc.
She lied and accused an innocent black man and now she’s some sort of liberal social justice warrior in America? It’s laughable. She’s a weird person and capitalized on this horrific event. She lied and changed her story so many times. It’s hard to believe it was all coerced.
Over 20,000 views..and only 672 likes??? C'mon people tap the like button!!! 👍
Media and gossips have a lot to be guilty of.
Really sad story, it seems like Amanda and all her “boyfriends” were just horrible people and Meredith got involved with them by pure bad luck!
By being roommates? Amanda had one casual boyfriend while she was there. She barely knew Meredith.
Your post reveals you don't know even the basic facts of the case.
Dude, hide your misogyny a little better