Another note about goblin bombardment: it was a much better card when damage still used the stack. Before M10 it was possible for a creature to enter combat, by attacking or blocking, put it's damage on the stack during the damage step, and then be sacrificed to another effect to quite literally have your cake and eat it too. Which basically meant that at a minimum goblin bombardment allowed every creature you controlled to trade up with a creature that had one more toughness than its power, and if it ever traded evenly it just got to deal that damage to face or help another creature trade up for something for 2 higher toughness. You can imagine it was a combat synergy beast.
Also the Enduring Renewal combo with Goblin Bombardment started the weird trend at the time of naming combo decks after breakfasts. The legend is the deck registrar named it ("buddy, you'd have to be Fruity Pebbles to play this"). The version with Necropotence was called Cocoa Pebbles and it snowballed from there into other decks named Trix, Full English Breakfast, and Cephalid Breakfast
I might actually slip evolutionary leap into my Golgari Aristocrats deck. I already play a few of the cards on the list in it, but Leap would be REALLY good to dig for creatures, something my deck can struggle with
Nantuko Husk (s/o Phyrexian Ghoul) was good in multiple printings too, 4C Rally was just probably just the most busted. - Onslaught era Standard and especially Block had Zombie decks where Husk abused the death triggers on Festering Goblin and Rotlung Reanimator for card advantage, and the sac outlet was a nice fit with Oversold Cemetery and Unholy Grotto - It was a key piece in the old Extended "Sexy Rector" deck, where you go T1 Birds, T2 Husk/Ghoul, T3 Academy Rector and swing. If they don't block, you sac Rector into Saproling Burst, or into Pattern of Rebirth on your mana dork to get Symbiotic Wurm. If they had a plan to stop you, there was either Cabal Therapy to hit it early, or you could sac Rector into a big defensive enchantment like Decree of Silence, Parallax Wave, Worship, Nightmare, or Deed (ETA if they had an answer for Husk itself, you could just Rector > Pattern of Rebirth > Akroma instead) - Kamigawa/Ravnica Standard Ghost Husk was a WB aggro deck powered by Husk making it easy to trigger Promise of Bunrei. Then you got a bunch of tokens to haunt with Orzhov Pontiff, sac to Plagued Rusalka, or just eat with Husk. Between all this, Umezawa's Jitte, and combat damage on the stack, this deck made fight math a nightmare. You couldn't go tall against it cos it locked down your best creature or beat it with a giant Husk, and you couldn't go wide because it wiped your tokens and picked off anything that was left
Best creature sac outlet is Undercity Informer by a mile. Sac one creature, win the game, from just a single card and four mana. Otherwise, there were some pretty questionable Standard-only cards like Butcher of the Horde, Nantuko Husk, and Falkenrath Aristocrat, which even going by the tightest restrictions of "free repeatable sac outlet for any creature" still have stronger alternatives like Greater Good and Blasting Station.
Blasting Station doesn't meet their requirement in the way they mean it. It's technically repeatable, but only if you have more creatures enter the battlefield. Otherwise it's just once per turn. If you need to sacrifice everything right now, you can't do that with Blasting Station. Logs' channels also tend to focus on competitive format successes, and tend to ignore anything that mostly sees play in Commander, such as Greater Good. I agree that the list could probably feature better cards that might not have seen enough competitive play, but it does currently fit how the channel functions so it's not a terrible list.
Two things I like about Greater Gargadon: You can use it as a "board wipe value" card. If someone is going to kill any of your permanents, you can sacrifice your own things for value. You can respond to the trigger on the stack to sacrifice more than 10 creatures!
Goblin Bombardment is on the bonus sheet for wilds of eldraine, meaning it comes up in draft every now and then. It's really strong, even without token generators or other synergy
Butcher is insane. You can tell the amount of power creep that came through the game. A 4 mana 5/4 with flying that doesn't have downside and actually has upside can get haste on his first turn.
I think KCI might beat Zuran Orb, but those two seem far and away the top 2 among non-creature sac outlets, at least sticking with the definition of needing to be repeatable.
Is there a way I can make a deck centered around activating haste on a creature without summoning sickness? Feels like a waste having a keyword that only does something for one turn
Along with Ognis, the Dragon's Lash, there is Gingerbrute that specifically cares about opponent's creatures having haste. The riot keyword could also be argued to care about creatures with haste, allowing them to choose the +1/+1 counter with no tradeoff. The thing is, it's hard to make designs for having haste that don't function better as just caring about attacking or entering the battlefield. Haste's sole purpose is negating a rule that only applies the turn a creature comes into play, and that is pretty powerful by itself. Also, while not really a design consideration, there is at least one keyword that gives temporary haste but doesn't mention that it's temporary in the reminder text, and at least one thing that functions similarly to haste but doesn't actually give it. Casting a suspended creature gives the creature haste, but only until you lose control of the spell or the permanent it becomes. If an opponent Mind Controls your creature that gained haste from being cast using suspend, it will permanently lose that haste. Permanents phasing in at the start of the turn don't gain haste, but because of when they are phasing in they will be unaffected by summoning sickness (you will have controlled them since the start of your most recent turn).
@@connorhamilton5707 Riot and other abilities that give haste don't "care about" haste. That is, they don't reward you in any way for having creatures with haste. They are simply more creatures with haste.
Bloated Processor is not better than Nantuko Husk as a sacrifice outlet. Husk can sacrifice any creature (including itself), while Bloated Processor can only sacrifice other Phyrexian creatures.
Mana logs has brought this up already in multiple videos. But it’s very obvious to the community why companion was Wizards biggest Card design mistake. And a mechanic they will never ever come back to. And if they did they would need to nerf it into the ground in order for new cards not to be broken
Would this 0 Mana card see play if it existed? "Sacrifice any number of permanents you control. These sacrifices do not trigger sacrifice related effects. At the end of this phase, exile all the sacrificed permanents from your graveyard. This does not trigger any exile related effects."
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Best comment ever made deserves to be pinned.
Seer/Feeder showcase the Little Caesar's pizza effect:
You don't have to be good, you just have to be cheap.
Yo it's hot, and it's ready
Another note about goblin bombardment: it was a much better card when damage still used the stack. Before M10 it was possible for a creature to enter combat, by attacking or blocking, put it's damage on the stack during the damage step, and then be sacrificed to another effect to quite literally have your cake and eat it too.
Which basically meant that at a minimum goblin bombardment allowed every creature you controlled to trade up with a creature that had one more toughness than its power, and if it ever traded evenly it just got to deal that damage to face or help another creature trade up for something for 2 higher toughness. You can imagine it was a combat synergy beast.
'Top Ten Legendary Creatures great in compedetive play that would make terrible commanders' would make for a potentially interesting video.
Also the Enduring Renewal combo with Goblin Bombardment started the weird trend at the time of naming combo decks after breakfasts. The legend is the deck registrar named it ("buddy, you'd have to be Fruity Pebbles to play this"). The version with Necropotence was called Cocoa Pebbles and it snowballed from there into other decks named Trix, Full English Breakfast, and Cephalid Breakfast
Thoughtpicker Witch is my favorite. Why mill when you can just erase your opponent's deck?
Suggestions: Top 10 Slivers and Top 10 Myrs, please.
I might actually slip evolutionary leap into my Golgari Aristocrats deck. I already play a few of the cards on the list in it, but Leap would be REALLY good to dig for creatures, something my deck can struggle with
It's really good, you should try it for sure
Nantuko Husk (s/o Phyrexian Ghoul) was good in multiple printings too, 4C Rally was just probably just the most busted.
- Onslaught era Standard and especially Block had Zombie decks where Husk abused the death triggers on Festering Goblin and Rotlung Reanimator for card advantage, and the sac outlet was a nice fit with Oversold Cemetery and Unholy Grotto
- It was a key piece in the old Extended "Sexy Rector" deck, where you go T1 Birds, T2 Husk/Ghoul, T3 Academy Rector and swing. If they don't block, you sac Rector into Saproling Burst, or into Pattern of Rebirth on your mana dork to get Symbiotic Wurm. If they had a plan to stop you, there was either Cabal Therapy to hit it early, or you could sac Rector into a big defensive enchantment like Decree of Silence, Parallax Wave, Worship, Nightmare, or Deed (ETA if they had an answer for Husk itself, you could just Rector > Pattern of Rebirth > Akroma instead)
- Kamigawa/Ravnica Standard Ghost Husk was a WB aggro deck powered by Husk making it easy to trigger Promise of Bunrei. Then you got a bunch of tokens to haunt with Orzhov Pontiff, sac to Plagued Rusalka, or just eat with Husk. Between all this, Umezawa's Jitte, and combat damage on the stack, this deck made fight math a nightmare. You couldn't go tall against it cos it locked down your best creature or beat it with a giant Husk, and you couldn't go wide because it wiped your tokens and picked off anything that was left
Bloodthrone vampire....2 mana sac outlet but a 1/1 gets +2+2 for the turn.
Good timing on this video. We got a new Free Sacrifice unit in Ixalan.
Can't forget Dark Privilage! Absolute BANGER of a card if you need to sac stuff but also care about your commander being present!
On Ashnods Alter in Pauper: Alter Tron was by far the best deck in the format if you played in person.
Best creature sac outlet is Undercity Informer by a mile. Sac one creature, win the game, from just a single card and four mana. Otherwise, there were some pretty questionable Standard-only cards like Butcher of the Horde, Nantuko Husk, and Falkenrath Aristocrat, which even going by the tightest restrictions of "free repeatable sac outlet for any creature" still have stronger alternatives like Greater Good and Blasting Station.
Blasting Station doesn't meet their requirement in the way they mean it. It's technically repeatable, but only if you have more creatures enter the battlefield. Otherwise it's just once per turn. If you need to sacrifice everything right now, you can't do that with Blasting Station.
Logs' channels also tend to focus on competitive format successes, and tend to ignore anything that mostly sees play in Commander, such as Greater Good.
I agree that the list could probably feature better cards that might not have seen enough competitive play, but it does currently fit how the channel functions so it's not a terrible list.
The "joke" about a zero mana card that sacs permanents already exists, and yes, under the right circumstances it is bonkers. Its called zuran orb
Two things I like about Greater Gargadon:
You can use it as a "board wipe value" card. If someone is going to kill any of your permanents, you can sacrifice your own things for value.
You can respond to the trigger on the stack to sacrifice more than 10 creatures!
Goblin Bombardment is on the bonus sheet for wilds of eldraine, meaning it comes up in draft every now and then. It's really strong, even without token generators or other synergy
Butcher is insane. You can tell the amount of power creep that came through the game. A 4 mana 5/4 with flying that doesn't have downside and actually has upside can get haste on his first turn.
Kinda surprised woe strider wasn’t on this list tbh but I agree with the other selections
there is an U in the word option during the butcher of the horde part. simultaneously is also spelled wrong as silmultaneously also in butcher
This channel doesn't proofread
I thought by the title that this would include non creature sac outlets. If you ever do that video Zuran orb needs to be near or at the top.
I think KCI might beat Zuran Orb, but those two seem far and away the top 2 among non-creature sac outlets, at least sticking with the definition of needing to be repeatable.
Where is Meren of the Clan Nel Toth? Was expecting her to be number one as a commander.
Meren isn't a sacrifice outlet.
Looking for a flash hulk combo. Thanks for the ideas
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goblin bombardment is basically the mass driver of MtG, except you can't special summon a million creatures very easily in magic...
Krenko, mob boss disagrees with that statement
Woe Strider having no mention is a crime
I'm sad that birthing pod wasn't brought up in seers' history.
Is there a way I can make a deck centered around activating haste on a creature without summoning sickness? Feels like a waste having a keyword that only does something for one turn
I think Ognis, the Dragon's Leash is the *only* card in the game that cares about haste (regardless of whether it's the creature's first turn or not).
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There's also Gingerbrute, which has an ability that makes it so it can't be blocked except by opposing creatures with haste.
Along with Ognis, the Dragon's Lash, there is Gingerbrute that specifically cares about opponent's creatures having haste. The riot keyword could also be argued to care about creatures with haste, allowing them to choose the +1/+1 counter with no tradeoff.
The thing is, it's hard to make designs for having haste that don't function better as just caring about attacking or entering the battlefield. Haste's sole purpose is negating a rule that only applies the turn a creature comes into play, and that is pretty powerful by itself.
Also, while not really a design consideration, there is at least one keyword that gives temporary haste but doesn't mention that it's temporary in the reminder text, and at least one thing that functions similarly to haste but doesn't actually give it.
Casting a suspended creature gives the creature haste, but only until you lose control of the spell or the permanent it becomes. If an opponent Mind Controls your creature that gained haste from being cast using suspend, it will permanently lose that haste.
Permanents phasing in at the start of the turn don't gain haste, but because of when they are phasing in they will be unaffected by summoning sickness (you will have controlled them since the start of your most recent turn).
@@SomeGuy712x Yes, but Gingerbrute cares about your opponent's creatures. It really adds nothing to a "haste matters" strategy.
@@connorhamilton5707 Riot and other abilities that give haste don't "care about" haste. That is, they don't reward you in any way for having creatures with haste. They are simply more creatures with haste.
Top 10 standard decks that made it into eternal formats
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Krark-Clan Ironworks??
It's mentioned at the beginning of the video, but they only included things that specifically sacrifice creatures. KCI doesn't do that.
@@connorhamilton5707 oh I must have missed that as I was listening while doing something. Thanks 👍
@@connorhamilton5707Oh, what a shame...
**continues pitching an endless sea of Myr Retrievers into the Furnace**
Shouldnt husk be replaced with Bloated Processor? Its a better card in every way.
Bloated Processor is not better than Nantuko Husk as a sacrifice outlet. Husk can sacrifice any creature (including itself), while Bloated Processor can only sacrifice other Phyrexian creatures.
When #2 was shown, I guessed Ravager was #1.
I guess I should have payed more attention in the definition of a "sacrifice outlets" hehe
I was also expecting to see the Ravager on the list, but since its use is more niche, might be no.11 or 12.
Greater Good?
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These cards were the main pieces of the deck before the deck was taken to the back of the shed. Im dying.
Perfect timing
You can try a failed card design on companion mechanic
Mana logs has brought this up already in multiple videos.
But it’s very obvious to the community why companion was Wizards biggest Card design mistake.
And a mechanic they will never ever come back to.
And if they did they would need to nerf it into the ground in order for new cards not to be broken
@@Blight-Knight9 bring back horsemanship
@@channingtaintum they did actually
In Dr. Who
Woah woah woah. Butcher of the horde gets a spot but no Yahenni undying partisan?
Carrion feeder was seer-level when zombie bidding was around
I had hogaak/altar in my Sidisi commander deck and had to take it out because it just became the hogaak deck
Honey it’s your 4pm demonic sacrifice time
Do discard outlets
Some of my favorite:
* Stern Constable
* Greenseeker
* Lotleth Troll
Suspend balance Gargadon was “balancing tings”
Kind of miffed this video got posted at midnight.
How about a Top 10 carda that allows you to break a rule...
Like Mirror Gallery...
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I should be asleep.
True, but I am sitting here, eating buttered toast
2 Words: Maryr’s. Cause.
Greater god
The altars at #8? That's nonsense.
I play against #8 & #3 all too often lmao
I’m honestly surprised Ashnod and phyrexian alter in the top 3
I appreciate the video but I'm struggling to understand what you're saying, could you slow down and articulate more please?
optuions
Would this 0 Mana card see play if it existed?
"Sacrifice any number of permanents you control. These sacrifices do not trigger sacrifice related effects.
At the end of this phase, exile all the sacrificed permanents from your graveyard. This does not trigger any exile related effects."
I doubt it. There's really no way to take advantage of that.
no cat oven???
The beginning of the video mentions they only considered cards that can sacrifice creatures multiple times in a turn.
Birthing pod, Fiend Artisan... You missed some champs
High market and Phyrexia Tower are lands, for free.....