Palm In or Down? The Left Hook Debate!
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Since the dawn of FIGHTTIPS, fighters have been arguing over whether or not your palm should face in or down when throwing a hook punch. Most #boxing coaches teach "thumbs up" when you throw the lead hook punch, however #GGG is known for knocking people out with his palm down left hook. We'd like to hear what you prefer and why down in the comments!
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Wow. So u guys r telling me its possible for 2 ppl to respectfully disagree on something, being able to articulate their points not screaming over each other, cursing and name calling? What the hell is going on here?!
I love this comment. Shane and I both had a lot of fun shooting this and our debate will likely continue.
Tis a rare occurrence.
They're not lefty soy boys... they're gentlemen
it's because this video is independently produced. If this was television, they would be asked to scream and slander at each other just to up the ratings
If I threw a hook palm down instead of in, Jeff Cavaliere would come out of the heavy bag and punch me in the throat.
fax
Cory Norell INTERNAL SHOULDER ROTATION IS KILLING YOUR GAINS !!!!
Before or after he scolds you for muscle imbalances for not alternating stance?
Punching Palm Down can KILL YOUR GAINS!
hahahhaha very witty sir
I always punch palm up, its the secret technique of the gods. It works so well my arm becomes dislocated from raw power
How about Captain Kirks' Double-fist-hammer ? XD
Chris, how dare you tell the secrets of our people. I shall have to report this infraction.
sounds like youre channeling too much chi into your arm at once bro
You are the real life one punch man
Is that the legendary cockscrew punch?
Great to see somebody actually debating rather than just murdering each other
"Palm in or Palm down: Fisting my Girlfriend Edition" would be kinda helpful, so yes I agree with you
I've made a vow to never pull out creep
The latter would be quite entertaining to watch too
@@ryanmcdonald5944 😘
What a name
Who saw GGG's left hook over the guard, and left hand KO last night???
Awkward shot to deal with because it’s hard to see coming
Watch my latest video ua-cam.com/video/m3sNYzESgp8/v-deo.html
En español !!!
Great fight and another spectacular win by ggg
Look at every hook conor ever threw it's always palm out thumb down.
That's how you punch when you don't have boxing gloves on
Only one TRUE way to solve this debate... 10 full rounds of bare knuckle boxing, only hooks and 540 wheel kicks allowed!!
Lol naa id have to be nutty haha
Are you crazy?
540 wheel kicks is far to limiting , better make it 700.
Back in the old days at the academy, we called this style of debate "The Gentleman's Gambit".
Gloves on, palm down. Gloves off, palm in to catch that nose.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven 540 was meant as a spin (180/360/540/720...) :P
But u got 20likes hahah
I used to do it palm down, but then two days ago I tried it palm in and it was, to quote Aladdin, "A WHOLE NEW WOOOOOOOOOORRRRLLLD"
Dude so true, but I also find that using palm in can give a better "shoulder snap" which gives me better leverage and let's me keep the fight in close quarters
Exactly
Hahahhahahahaha lmfao , a whole newwww worlllllllddddddddddd
Shuut your mouth
@Fitness and Politics I disagree 😂just think about think about this...have u ever seen fight videos of someone using palm down and think to yourself "that guy cant fight"😂😂😂☝☝☝
We say it depends on range... Also palm up and palm OUT at close or maximum range.
Palm out is the Bad Rutten hook behind the head but the hook palm up would be like a wierd orizontal hammer punch😂
P.S. I love your channel🔝🔝
Palm out for a hook feint to centerline. Drop the shoulders and you’ll be breaking ribs. Fun thing I learned when practicing Silat
I honestly agree with this. It feels like if you're closer, it's not only easier but safer palm in, but farther away hooks would end up with you hitting with your fingers instead, so a palm down, and further out still you hit your thumb, so palm out. Just seems like the best way to make sure the knuckles are what's hitting instead of your fingers.
Two words. Personal. Preference
i just came from your video to this Mike 😂
I think it should come down to the opponent's guard. The hook sneaks into a tighter guard with the palm down. But if I have a clear shot I'm going palm in
Good point.
@Falk M
GGG throws body hooks in that fashion, palm down, but I mean he loves throwing unconventional punches
@Falk M I gotta find that video of him doing bag work but he throws some left hooks to the body corkscrewing the hook so the knuckles land
I'll link it when I find it
Oluwatofarati Agbaje
100% agree. Your hand is «smaller» and easyer to sneak in trough your opponents gard when its palm down
@Falk M
Oh thanks Falk M!
I knew it was out there! I was specifically looking for bag work, no wonder why it took me forever lol
I remember trainers would refer to his type of hook to the body. He doesn't throw it like a shovel hook or level change and throws it horizontally, he throws it usually from an upright position and somehow is able apply the force with drive in his elbow rather than his shoulder (which would probably cause impingements down the road).
GGG must have won the genetic lottery when it comes to the shoulder girdles health and elasticity 🤔🤷🏽♂️
Personally I go palm down going to the head and palm in going to the body
That's what I was taught by my first kru too.
same
Same.
That's how I was taught as well, knuckles follow the jaw line (palm down) and for the body (palm in) along with the ribs
Same
When I started boxing, I was taught palm in, 90 degree bend, elbow at shoulder level. My boxing trainer was an orthopedist assistant also. His logic was very simple 1- palm in, your forearm bones are parallel, thus minimizing fracture risk while palm down crosses your forearm bones increasing risk of injury. 2- forming a 90 degree angle at the elbow and shoulder again minimizes injuries like tears and dislocations and the right angle are stronger, allowing you to put more torque behind the punch without getting injured.
It's all about good form.
I'm glad you pointed that out for me, I kept feeling like I was an odd one out because I was having palm in, so I transitioned to the palm down thing for a while. But, the muscle/bone in between my thumb and index started to really hurt and I felt comfortable with palm in anyways.
The most dangerous hook I've ever seen was from Mike Tyson. Palm in.
Tyson, Marquez, Trinidad, Oscar, Cotto, etc... it's all about good form. Palm in makes you arm more rigid due to how it aligns your bones, so you can put more force behind it and not get injured. Palm down has a very high injury risk.
Palm in just always felt better to me.
But if i’m not wearing gloves I’m throwing elbows instead.
Thats really the reality isnt it lmao. I like my bones the way they are.
@ian trofimov Dude exactly I would like to throw a kick to the head or forward or side kick to someone above the hips without having the feeling of my bones almost discolating in my hips and ripping my dick off. I'm as stiff as a stick
Love this, you don’t find good, honest, respectful debates now-a-days. Awesome informations guys on both ends.
I tend to use a hybrid, where the angle is mostly palm in but with a slight cant. Anatomically speaking I think that is the most natural way to throw big, powerful hooks
Same. I find extending out either way puts way to much pressure on my wrist. Using hybrid feels the most natural
I do the same i keep my wrists as perfectly aligned with my forearm as possible though, can't risk an injury.
I do that wit my right hand for longer hooks and palm in with my right hand for power/first punch ko in streets up close and tight
I got injured 2 weeks ago for doing palm down left hooks in power punches (Bag work). I still have a month of recuperation, fibrillar break & tear from the tendon. I learned my lesson, no need to watch the video.
Probably cause you tried to do a palm down hook, when you were further than mid-range.
Try next time to tilt your palm out, so you hit flush with top of your knuckles
@@guest0046 indeed, thanks
All my life I used to throw punches with thumbs up and everything was okay, then I started to do it the other way and I fucked up my wrists in the punching bag. I will never do that again lol.
Didn't know this. Definetely throwing palm in punches from now on. Besides, it feels more powerful.
"palm in punches" do you mean palm up or palm down?
@@telinstrong6327 dude...with your palm towards your chest.
@@NS-cz2uu yeah lol I read your comment wrong and typed mine wrong I probably should stop commenting to comments when I'm tired (I just woke up lol)
By the way I agree 😁
I feel the same I always thought palm in was more powerful and the alternative was just awkward
One thing I noticed: It is easier to retract back to guard when you do the flat palm than with the sideways palm. This gives you better safety and you can load up another shot faster if it doesn't hit.
Thank you, Shane, for all your uploads, especially this one, I have learned a lot, I will still continue to punch what is comfortable for me, but, this gives me more insight on why people train in both ways of striking with left hooks. You always have my respect because instead of calling someone out, you go to greater lengths to find out professionally why one way might be more practical than another, answering comments of the public or finding out for yourself, to increase your personal knowledge.
and there’s nobody better to hear from than you and the great Adam Lerner
Thank you for that discussion! 👍
This channel is awesome ive been wondering this for ever
I have been a martial artist for over 15 years and I've never heard this debated before. Thanks for giving me something to think about and work on
So I've been watching your videos for almost 3 years learning everything a boxing coach could taught me. I know I'll be learning more from you and your channel and I want to become a good boxer someday.
Love Adam's insight on the body mechanics of the punches and why his is the most optimal.
I've always been a lover of variation, grew up a Jack of All Trades, so being comfortable with both variations is ideal.
For my case that is
Palm in
- close range
Palm down
- mid range
Russian Hooks
- long range
PS
Props to GGG on bringing the Lead overhand into the light. You could tell Rolls was watching GGG's fights with Canelo when he started throwing the lead Straight after the 2.
Announcer: "Look at the way he landed that JAB"
Me: "Pfft... Commoner"
On Puerto Rican / Triple G / Thumb Down / Olympic style left hook....it's usually thrown leaning away from opponent.
I love this... two guys with different views and great points each debating and maybe even teaching each other a little.
Nice how it went from a sweet argue till a good explanation both together. 👏
Yo Shane, thanks for your tips !
I learnt boxing in the Montreal boxing club " Underdog". The coachs there teach the left hook palm down. Therefore I've always used it and never get injured (I often train bare knuckles without even straps) !
I find this hook to be more accurate, also it allows me to hit an higher target more easily and to bring my elbow a little higher more easily as well. I feel like I have more speed and more mobility with this hook.
I would be very pleased to hear your opinions on it !
I always preferred throwing palm in but after taking boxing classes I was always taught to throw the left hook palm down
Trainers that want their fighters to fight with the exact same style as others are just so tragic…….Every fighter is different! if it works for you then do it. At the end of the day if you follow their instructions and lose it's kind of their fault, maybe would have went different if you had the chance to chose your own style.
FINALLY! IVE BEEN ASKING AROUND ABOUT THIS FOR AGES!!!!! Thanks!!
Great! I love the debate format
Great video...but the real question is.....toilet paper over or under?
Over, always
On its side lol
Angenist the balls or away from them???
under
Hhmmm agree.. Or is it fold or crush. I am all for folding toilet paper. No brainier.
cool Stanley Kubrick opening goes along well with a bit o the old ultraviolence
I like how you ended with the question about bare knuckle training. His response was very helpful as well. This was very educational and good for effective training.
I have extensive experience and I have been impressed with every video thus far! Great work fellas. New subscriber!
Thumb up, always. Also thumbs up on the video
Palm Down GANG
This is fascinating as I have been taught both ways by two different masters/trainers. I really enjoy the agree to disagree friendly chat here from these two. From an entirely personal perspective, I go with palm-in for hooks below my shoulder and palm-down for above the shoulder in close.
Below the shoulders, I can dig in with my hips and probably deliver more power but once I get above the shoulder, I'm usually looking to go over a guard or the raised shoulder of my opponent. If I take the above-shoulder shot palm down it's easier to have an arc in the trajectory of the punch and I come down on the jaw or temple, giving me a slight gravity assist and delivering the power through a smaller area.
The only exception to this is when I'm looking at a really long hook to the head, which is not really a knockout shot but more a shot to rattle my opponent. You can get a little bit more extension palm-in but being long it delivers less power because the hip doesn't snap across quite as far.
It's a bit horses-for-courses and maybe I have developed this through habit but it is always a lively discussion. Glad to see it here.
Two things..
For me personally, my trainer says i hit harder with my palm facing me.
If you want to hook long distance it will have to be down with the palm facing down because you wouldnt be able to hit withe your knuckles the other way
I find with the lead hook both ways are good but with the rear hook only palm in
I hadn't even thought about if I throw differently with my lead vs rear hook until I read this. Turns out i throw palm down lead left hooks and palm in rear right hooks. Thanks lol
Throw them thumb up, the split second before you'll hit the opponent start twisting the wrist to have it at a 45 degree angle, to drive that hook like a screw into your opponents head, that's the way my coach has taught me and I agree with it 100%. Makes those punches stronger and you are hitting the target with the strongest bones. Bending the wrist is a good way to damage it though.
This is a good technique that works at all ranges. It’s a hybrid that combines the best features of both palm down and palm in.
Excellent debate with a lot of really good points.
so great to watch this. thank you. someone said other purpose of palm down was you cannot simply dodge it when throw a hook, interesting, but still up to the boxer where he was confident or feel more power of throwing palm in or palm down hook.
As a southpaw I'm offended...lol
LOL Same!
RIGHT... i was thinking the same damn thing
Ditto.
as the minority... your feelings don't matter
Ayy finnaly I've found my kind!
it depends on range. i am kickboxing and k-1 fighter so i use both . in close/medium range i love palm in to cause damage and/or to open the oponent guard.
hugo sousa k1 doesn’t exist enny more
@@1100BFK the event does not exist but the discipline and it's rules still does, at least here in Portugal. Point-Fight (tatami), Light-Kick (tatami), Light-Contact (tatami), Full-Contact (boxing ring), Low-Kick (boxing ring), K-1 (boxing ring) and Muay Thai (boxing ring) . fpkmt.weebly.com/kickboxing1.html
K1 is kickboxing !!
Awesome video! I really like what Shane said about the distance bc for me that's the primary difference. Also, the other thing that absolutely has to be considered, is whether or not you're training for gloved fighting or true "self defense" (non-gloved) purposes. Gloves save your hands and allow you to do a lot more; Bare knuckle anything is relentless
Great discussion, loved it.
i was just thinking of this thanks shane haha
Thumbs down are faster and more effektiv if you use them in very very short distance but me i use both i noticed that if my opponent is to far away my hand roatates naturally
Love hearing a good debate between two people who know what they're talking about but have different point of views.
This was an awesome video and one I've always had with my cousin, but I just never knew the details. I find that my wrist/hand feels most comfortable with palm in, but I feel like I could generate more power with my palm down and it feels like it travels faster.
Quality content
Damn 2.2m subs good job. I Remember seeing this channel when it was young. You're doing great
I'm going to add to this debate and say that I'm sure *it also has to do what your(martial art) training in.*
I love muay Thai and I'm sure that Muay Thai has forced me to strike with my palm down since if I were to throw an elbow, my palm would be down and striking with the palm in isn't flexible and straining during an elbow.
Of course it's not impossible to strike an elbow with the palm in "comfortably" *but overall it's what suits the person and the martial art they are training in.*
I throw palm in with hooks and palm down for elbows. .
I usually go palm in unless I have to go over the guard or to a much taller opponent so that the elbow rolls over easier. Thoughts?
@@ifaq871 lol
Great video man 👏🏼👏🏼
I agree with both of you! I teach my students to do both and over time (100’s of repetitions) you will find the way which suits you best. I this it also depends on your body structure. Great video and nice to see a debate.
Mostly depending on wether Amateur or Professional.
Amateur - Palm Down
Pro - whatever you want, mostly palm to you.
I prefer doing palm down just cause I'm used to it. But it's good to get used to both.
True
I’d have to go with palm in because I like the stability, longevity, and reliability. The pure palm in reminds me of what they used to tell us Karate and TKD class, keep that alignment strait! Great points by both of you!
First two minutes of this vid and I'm like this is why I'm a long time sub of this channel, good work guys food for thought
Also i say palm in!!
Palm in. That's how i throw all hooks. Old school boxing. More power and less injuries
Palm out, that's how I throw them.
Both are fine in my opinion, but palm down works way better for me for in close and check hooks
Never really thought this was a debate. Boxers are taught to throw a hook palm facing the body. When I first started boxing when I was younger I had a bad habit of throwing it with my palm facing down and they kept correcting my form. Im def glad they did. I don't believe punches are meant to be thrown with as much power if you put your palm down with a hook. It totally changes the dynamic. I've seen many new guys F up their wrist that way. Altho u can do that palms facing in as well if u use bad technique. There's probably a reason white boxers throw punches Palm in. Going to stick with that, it's worked so far.
Yep .Palm in 100%
Palm down anatomically lines up all the bones in the wrist. If you ever do much striking without having gloves on (and even more importantly) no wraps, you'll see that you'll probably have less injuries. Things change a lot when you add gloves and wraps. The biggest difference in my opinion is the range you throw the punches. If you get in SUPER tight and through your hooks in super close, palm down works better super close, with more range (and once again with gloves and wraps) the palm in makes more sense. Just my opinion from my experience.
Really good discussion!! I tend to do palm in for body shots, palm down for chin/neck hooks. Just seems to generate better power on that knockout swing. For the body shots, that palm in “feels” safer on my hand/wrist
Sir, thank you so much for sharing your experience. Palm down and landing punch with one knuckle is dangerous. I broke it, honestly.
Definetly palm down, for me, when I throw it far, but will try to palm in more in close ups
I Brad Pitt Everything interesting... It’s the EXACT opposite for me...
@@gussi123 Maybe it has to do with which one someone starts with, I started with palm down, so it feels more comfortable, it also makes it feel more natural to turn the hand further to make it palm out for me in case of an even further away hook.
Shaolin Kung Fu we trained palm in. Bigger hitting surface and better on elbow if you glance or miss.
Agree with Adam. Nice video!!!!
If you have a strong jab with good pop. That fedor looping hook will surprise your opponents cause the angle
9:00 Hahahah the UA-camr in him started stressing once the sirens started. Greats points though 👍🏽
I prefer palm in with right hooks and palm down with left
SAME!!
Love seeing two great teachers at their crafts *discussing* theory.
*Since the dawn of FightTips*
Me with my flashbacks watching this channel back in 2012
alot of us fighters use palm in since it can go between the persons arms in their guard.
Palm in feels more natural for hooks
How about palm strikes in mma tho
Eyes Pokes will be the problem.
@@nickboomer94 curl your fingers into your palm
They worked for Bas Rutten.
Great. As always 👍🏼
I have waited for this for years
Next topic: should a fighter have a girlfriend?
All boxers: they weaken the legss
Most others: no man it is good and chill.
Teach her martial arts. Always turn them on
@@amartya9034 you are not afraid of 'the leg' thing?
@@thenameofthegame4037 No what's that
It's a myth.
@@rollandb1767 What the hell is it
Palm in all the way, my left hook is my best punch!
Only pros will know that palm in is the way to go ;).
Glad I picked this over Tony Jefferies video on hooks. I like that you guys are questioning the two methods and comparing.
This debate is useful for telling the ups and downs of each hook style. TOTALLY using this info for self defense lol
I haven’t watched the video yet, but my fifth degree black belt sensei always said to throw the hook palm in and then twist to palm down for extra power that doesn’t use energy from winding the punch
5th degree in what?
@@mustafakhalid9348 in sayings
@@jeffclark8098 lol
HISOKA Amour karate. But the karate that traditional kickboxing came from
@@anakinskywalker9255 you mean kyokushin? Oh good, but karate have some things that are not practical for fighting out of its rules.
First 😂love ur channel btw amazing ❤️❤️
For hooks in my experience it definitely depends on range and type of guard (how small of a hole I'm aiming for). In really close fighting I prefer palm down because I feel like I get a naturally tighter arc without thinking about it, likewise when they are at range I prefer palm in instead of down because of the opposite, my arc gets naturally a bit wider to reach long range. If they have a really stiff and tight guard I like to go palm down to try and wedge my first two knuckles into any opening even if it doesn't do a ton of damage it can cause a reaction that can lead to a new opening, but if they are wide open or loosely guarding their head I'm going palm in because it can generate more force at a longer range even if it's a bit slower.
I think I kind of do this because my first two knuckles aren't very prominent and my hooks naturally land at the middle 2 or 3 knuckles rather than the first two when I have my palm in. When I twist my knuckles down the first two knuckles will lead before the others. It might also be because I learned a lot of my punching from watching Tyson.
i was really hoping for a video like that.
Great analysis both ways are solid .
I was many year palm down guy , cause of my boxing coach. I also did the (4:08) strike when i combo my 3 with 4.
Nowdays i prefer the palm in , cause i find it to have less tension on the rotator cuff of the impact with the target ,also relieves the tension of the shoulders and i generate more power because my shoulders are more loose .(Like shooting the basketball, you need to have loose shoulders.)
I whould advise everyone to try it just for sometime. Its also great if you have shoulder injuries or you want to prevent them.
Always palm in 👊
But your emoji is palm down. Use this one 🤜
Instinctively it is Palm In.
But usually I do Palm down for more accuracy
Palm down was actually instinctively for me.
@@gasbaroni I don't think there's much difference in power. But Palm down gives higher chance of connecting with front two knuckles.
First, great job on the channel, I enjoy it. I was heavily into training martial arts when I was younger. Private lessons, some teaching, actually at some point wanted to kick box or do MMA bouts. I'm still into it, more of a home gym but I'll always be doing something. Now, the finny thing is I was taught palm in, and always thought that was just the way. I was kind of stunned with the debate, I can see either way but for me I feel more whip (as I was taught) palm in. That's me though, I see both sides and variations.
I love this channel because it is pretty much the ONLY one that speaks intelligently about striking. For decades now I have been explaining to people that your first metacarpal bone is the weapon -- "the point of your spear", if you will, that you are driving into the target as if stabbing hard with a knife. To drive it in, you have to align it with your Radius (upper forearm bone) -- that's the shaft of the spear, and your upper arm is what holds to the spear to thrust into your target.
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Let's fist talk about environment. Boxing, MMA and organized streetfighting, OR an impromptu mugging where you have to throw a few punches as you fend for your life -- each one has some factors that affect how you should throw a hook punch. The main differences are: glove size, whether your wrists are taped, how much you used to throwing hook punches, and how strong your forearm arms are (the ones that stabilize the wrist).
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In boxing, your hands are pretty safe unless you are dumb. Most injuries are to the wrist due to bad taping. You are looking for clean contact without hitting the opponent's gloves on the way in, to preserve the force of your strike. This means getting the meat of the glove out of the way of your strike. I recommend palm OUT for inside hook punches to the head, palm DOWN for outside hook punches and any hook punch to the body, and to never throw a hook punch palm IN under any circumstances. The reason some boxers throw this way is for that they were taught to throw this way -- not because it is more effective.
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In MMA/streetfighting, your hands are usually lightly padded and your wrists have taping. Injuries to the hand are common here, as the "hand protection" is mainly to let combatants punch harder safely instead of being careful with their punches. In true bare knuckle fighting where both combatants have neither gloves nor taped wrists, punches at the head become rare due to how easily the hand can be injured. It's an entirely different sort of fight visually, consisting of clean quick jabs and almost no heavy punches. In MMA/streetfighting, the main concern is damage to the Radius, the hand, or the wrist. You don't want to make bone to bone contact, hitting your Radius against the opponent's blocking arm or skull -- so your hook punch should be palm OUT to hit the outer forearm muscles against anything hard the forearm contacts. This muscle being damaged won't impact grip strength or fist clenching, as it is the one that opens the hand. It's the body's natural shield to absorb attacks against us. Throwing this way also protects both the hand and the wrist from injury. Conversely, blocks to a hook punch to the body will come from above, often in the form of contact with the target's dropping elbow (the hardest part of the human body, except for some points on the skull) -- this means palm DOWN, or even palm OUT/DOWN at a diagonal, to take elbow-to-forearm contact to the muscle rather than to the Radius.
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If you get jumped, don't throw a hook punch to the head. Throw a palm strike -- it is the only sure way to protect your hand without gloves or wrist tape, and/or if you aren't strong enough and experience enough to throw a devastating hook punch. Hit with the base of the palm, at the wrist, palm IN -- basically think of it as hook punch and pimp slap had a baby, and its name was palm strike. Drive your palm strike through the target as if you are trying to send the attacker's head rolling down the street, and ALWAYS follow up with some other attack while you have them off balance from the palm strike. The best follow up in a self-defense situation is almost always to get your attacker off of their feet. Most people have bad falling skills and bed cardio. You want to take as much out of your attacker as you can, as you also give yourself a head start running away. Knock them down, kick them in the ribs, and then run. Don't stand there trying to throw the perfect hook punch.
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Also if you get jumped, don't throw a body punch. Like... at all. This includes a hook punch to the body, which easily sprains your wrist if your wrist isn't taped no matter how you throw it. Unless you are strong as an ox and can break ribs with every blow, or you get lucky and strike the diaphragm at the right moment in their breathing, you are not going to do ANYTHING with that sort of punch other than tire yourself out and leave your face/neck wide open to attack. Body punching is a combat strike, not a self-defense strike. Leave it at the gym. Break out some basic Aikido (not the wrist locks; the big moves), Muay Thai (maximum power strikes meant to stun), or Wing Chun (rapid frantic striking) in self-defense situations -- and always remember you are trying to get away alive and unhurt, not kick the guy's ass for daring to approach you.
Also if your oponent is too close and you throw it palm down you cann bust your thumb up bad.
Uh how the hell are you throwing? Your thumb should be opposite from where you're striking
Devil's Advocate lol right I was thinking that!😂
@@DevilsAdvocateofnazareth one time during a spar i threw a hook palm down ans right before dude moved in at a angle and i hit my thumb knucke on the his thick skull. Only happened once.
It should be where your hook is in comparison to shoulder
Above the shoulder like with an overhand it shoUld be palm down
Below the shoulder like body hooks or a shorter opponent palm up
Like you talking into a portable mic
He’s right about the scapula & external rotation. Lots of guys came in to the gym complaining about their shoulder hurting when they turn over the to palm down position. Also raising your elbow to early and turning your hand over makes it a weaker hook and chances of shoulder problems. Some great teachers say turn that palm down in close quarters and thumb up when your further out. Good video!
In my experience, palm in gives the most stability and thus power. What I got used to is palm in but just a little bit angled down as this is the most natural and most stable for me. I also consciously practice hitting using knuckles as its the most damaging towards the opponent. Punching using knuckles will get my wrist to be angled a little bit and also it helps my elbow to be level with my shoulder, which is the best case scenario for power transfer towards the fist. For me palm down is only good if you intend to hit looping down such as overhand right (I'm right-handed).
Just to throw a spanner into the works.
A hook to the liver and a hook to the chin have different target angels.
Well, i broke my hand palm down by accidentally hitting with the two far knuckles sooo 😫 won't be doing that again
It's true, I still ignorantly use palm down even after messing up my pinky knuckle pretty bad. I just like it more really.
Busted open my pinky nuckle with a Palm down hook
You can do that palm in too
excellent video
Thank you Shane
Just ask “how does mike Tyson do it” then you do it that way
For MMA palm down 100%
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Or palm facing out for MMA
It is nice to see that you are discussing the use of this punch with and without gloves. After all we don't fight only with gloves. :)
I think both positions are correct. I will always have my beginner boxers hit the heavy bag with palm facing them so that they do not injure the wrist. Once a boxer is experienced with their range on the bag and proper technique of the hook(from floor to fist) then they have an easier time throwing it either way without being injured. An experienced boxer will have a bit of a flick on the end of their shots and that bit of turn over with the wrist will bring the palm facing the floor a bit more. So many levels to this game which is why I love it! Thanks for the video!