The truth is that we wouldn't really know if witnesses are often found and killed because of the very nature of the program, we are just trusting the government which is obviously incentivized to show the most promising outcome.
If life has taught me one thing, it is that claims of 100% are essentially always deceptive. And I'm doubly skeptical especially since WITSEC is specifically incentivized to try to convince people that it is perfectly safe.
@@jai-kk5uu they're probably not allowed to go online anymore. You do realize the government can stop most average people from accessing information, right? They can shut down many links and whatever.
@@1-4-johnny.cash.fan-8-8 yes but people in your new job will want to connect to you online. And specially in tech industry you need a linkedin profile.
Fun fact: it's a bit of an open secret that many people under witness protection are sent to Point Roberts, Washington. The community is disconnected from the rest of the United States because it's only accessible via boat or via Canada, requiring two border crossings to get there. This adds an extra layer of protection since the overland route places two additional checks on anyone accessing the community and removes the ability to bring a firearm, so the only access is by boat. Boat only access doesn't make it impossible for crooks to reach the island, but it adds another layer of security since the area is near the border and boats in the area are closely monitored. The more you know!
I would think the Northwest Angle would be even better since villains would have a much tougher time getting a boat on a lake vs from anywhere on the coast
@@jayteegamble NWA is much easier to get into by land and has a relatively permanent, albeit very small, population; whereas Point Roberts is mostly tourists and seasonal residents with only one point of entry via land, so it's a lot more secure in a few different ways.
I worlk for a NW trucking company, and we deal with five island carriers: ones for Vashon Island, San Juan Island, Orcas Island, Lopez Island, and the fifth one is Point Roberts Auto Freight. Point Roberts isn't an island, but it might as well be. ^_^
As a New Yorker, it’s probably true. They’re literally some of the worst most useless politicians and government officials in America. And the corruption is blatant
I had a teacher who was in witness protection decades before I knew her. She was able to keep her identity because her name was so common it would have been like finding a needle in a haystack.
I remember a case from many years back where the witness, along with two kids, would be receiving new identities after the trial, but in the meantime they were put up in a 1-star roadside motel room for two years because the trial kept getting delayed. I'd go mad.
@@Massive-3D I don't think the were put in a 5 star hotel... Also the time till you get the trial must be extremely nerve racking when your life is on the line...
@@Massive-3D Did you somehow miss the last few years? Little refresher - people coped so badly with being asked to stay inside their own homes (with a bunch of exceptions) that they lost it after two *weeks*. I myself haven't been able to leave my house regularly for several years and can only see friends under quite stringent circumstances. Let me tell you, it isn't a fun time, and I'm not even under threat.
WITSEC used to be (30+ years ago) a customer for a company I worked for, doing on-site field service at their offices. Despite me having multiple security clearances, whenever I went into one of their offices, they passed the word around, all of them stopped what they were doing, and turned the papers on their desk upside down. And their HQ was in a very unexpected location, meaning not a normal office building.
@@tvdan1043 Nope. But the people who worked there loved working near a mall. Arrive for work before the mall open, so parking was close and easy. Forgot to being a lunch, lots of choices in the mall. Except for December. If they had to leave the office during the day in December, then return to the office, they had a hike in front of them!
So sad that this is the last Half as Interesting video since Sam got arrested. But I heard there’s this new channel called Halls and Interstates run by a similar person named Salvador that does similar content
The mall you showed is Tysons Galleria (or Tysons II). It is only designer stores, and there's no Victoria's Secret. Tysons Corner Center (or Tysons I) is the mall you're looking for. It's across the street and *does* have a Victoria's Secret. Source: I worked at Abercrombie & Fitch in Tysons I for five years.
I live near Tyson’s and I was like “huh, the mall sure looks different than I imagined from a satellite” but yeah that’s totally galleria now that I’m looking at it
"Not one rule abiding witness has been harmed or killed while under protection." But we wouldn't know that... because we don't know who they are... because they have another identity. Things that make you say hmmmm.
The agency that's running witness protection does though. Obviously they could be lying, although it being an official government stat gives it a none 0 level of credibility.
@@mnm1273 They are from the government and they are here to help. "It's weird. Every single one of our witnesses that have been killed also dropped out of the program on the day they were killed. Glad we have that 100% success rate."
True. In the UK I know someone, an entire family relocated to my village. A mother and about 6 kids. They couldn't be photographed etc, all to try and stop the father from finding out where they were. Within a month they'd all got Facebook accounts under their real names and were posting where they were. The kids were stupid but raised by that family you can't really blame the children, some of the teenage ones you can they should know better. Sadly the father didn't come down to deal with the mother so they've continued to live here sponging off the state these last 20 years. They don't work (because goodness me that would be too much of a risk, far safer they just spend all day socialising and claiming unemployment while going on 3 holidays per year paid for by my taxes) About a half a million pounds or more to relocate them and it was technically wasted within a month. We should recoup the cost of wasted tax payer money by selling her organs on the black market...
We had a guy in my neighborhood when we first moved in my parents called "witness protection guy". The guy moved in right when the neighborhood was built, was never even seen there (garbage cans ana cars would be moved so signs of life but nobody ever really met the guy) then one day out of the blue, the guy was gone. Just moved out after a few months. We have no idea if he was actually witness protection we just called him that because that would explain the oddity of the situation. Moving in, not talking to anyone, then leaving like you were never even there. Even stranger, this was before the internet but the house sold right away before they could even post a sign in the yard.
The majority of witness protection houses are those seized by the FBI / government bodies in general, be it through busts/raids or court case wins, etc. They then turn those houses into witness protection safehouses. Few are just bought on the open market, at least the ones we know about....
Growing up there was a house in our neighborhood all the kids thought sold cocaine. Cocaine because the type of people were a lot more rough than you would see with like say a pot dealer. The people there didn't work, weren't disabled or anything like that. It turned out they had ads in the yellow pages and newspapers for years for escorts. All us dumb kids called those ads for laughs not knowing the calls were literally going to a neighbor. The rough looking people we saw were pimps and hookers dropping off their part of the deal. They ran those ads for years. They were exactly what you have heard and they had no fear from law enforcement. Law enforcement at that time was too busy harassing the old guy with cancer in the neighborhood for his grass being too long or harassing others for unplanted cars in their driveways to ever car about in your face human trafficking.
My grandfather was head of transportation for James Earl Ray (MLK’s killer) after he escaped from prison. The press got so bad, and because they were afraid he’d be assassinated, they sent an empty prison van to the front of the courthouse and drove Ray to the back in my Grandmother’s 1960’s Ford Falcon. I still have the cigarette lighter from that Ford Falcon.
Was lowkey hoping you'd mention how Henry Hill (from Goodfellas) actually got kicked out of the witness protection program because he kept bragging about being the guy from Goodfellas when he got drunk and they got sick of having to relocate him so many times. Also his wife divorced him partly because of all the hassle of the aforementioned relocations.
Wait... is Goodfellas... _real?_ By which I mean based on a true story? I've never actually seen it, all I know about it is that it held the record for most F-bombs for some time.
I was thinking the same. I have quite a bit of student loan debt, so if I was required to pay it all off before getting my new identity… I’d be screwed, hahaha! 😅
@@Keitorin2013 If they can set people up with a new birth certificate and fake school records, I'm sure they could arrange a new student loan you have to pay off, and use the proceeds to anonymously pay off the original loan. They'd effectively transfer the debts to your new identity, in a way that doesn't leave any sort of paper trail.
Fun fact: when a witness is found, the program takes their designation as “protected witness” away from said person, so they never lose a “protected witness”
@@sousahsasEssentially, it’s the same as a retirement home saying no resident has died there because they’re no longer considered residents post-mortem.
I'm interested to know how WITSEC defends against its own officers being compromised and corrupted by criminals. If I was a mob boss I'd be trying to get one of my own guys hired to work there.
like he said, a witsec officer would only know about 1 family in the program at a time, which they do not get to choose. so the chance that a well monitored person would be putting in the work to only maybe get to know the location of the specific snitch they are trying to catch would be way to much work.
@@Berkeloid0 The mob boss is going to have to wait for 20 years of their US Marshal career to pass before they get considered for WITSEC. Also they need a spotless record since WITSEC agents are usually doing it until they retire or are promoted to Head of Special Agents. (The top of WITSEC). So position’s don’t open up for years unless someone retires.
@@despareint No, I think it would be nearly impossible. But the person I was replying to said the program could not be compromised because your informant would only deal with one case at a time, so I pointed out that if you were capable of getting one informant in there, then you only need repeat the process to get more informants in there in order to compromise it.
So? The government takes away the money the second he stops looking for the job and it's only for 90 days. What do you expect? The government to literally rip away everything in his life and survive in a foreign area with nothing?
Our sense of reality is warped by tv and film. Because stories around law enforcement agencies continue to be one of the most profitable genres out there we take what we see as fact- there’s a consistent way Hollywood portrays each career path and it’s activities, but in reality it’s way more boring than you’d think. The same is true for witness protection. As long as you follow the rules you would be safe- it’s when you slip up that you get caught up. But media opts for the more dramatized version where super assassins can find a needle in the ocean because it makes for a more exciting story, but because we see it so often we take it as fact.
Yep. It’s pretty constant across anything. Military shows love to hype the 1% of things, the “super elite navy seal team”, or documentaries love to focus on the “war winning wonder weapons” when 99% of the military is not that, and most of the important weapons of war are mass produced and pretty average. Same with heist or crime movies too. The most effective robberies are the simple, low security banks. Most criminal murders and hits are usually the easiest and most deniable, like drive bys or something. You know not multi step high profile bank heists or teams of highly trained gunmen storming a mansion to kill one guy. Real life is just pretty mundane.
It's scary how well some bad guys can do their job. Get tasked to find witness, learn of funeral, realize witness may show up, remember witness has house in area, confirm witness presence at funeral, drive over to house, and rig bomb without being seen or leaving traces that would tip off witness. And since this wasn't a one person operation, there had to have been close timed coordination between the those who handled the relationship aspect and those who handled the hardware.
You don't have to do all that planning. Just leave a bomb there as a backup plan in case they come back. It's pretty simple to assume that someone will go back to their house. They most likely didn't know that he was back and just left it there when they saw the empty house.
This may sound strange, but I was so excited to hear the ad read. 80000 hours is an excellent organization that helps people do good in the world more effectively. And I'm all about efficiency.
2:04 That's not Tyson's Corner Mall, that's Tyson's Galleria. Tyson's Corner is on the other side of 123. That's its northern parking garage at the bottom center of the video
Could you imagine being transported in a mail truck, I'm willing to bet if there going that far they probably put the witness in a box as well to get him from the truck to inside lol
I really wish witness protection would be offered more often in gang cases, how could you expect someone to put a bullseye on their head without protecting them?
Love your videos! Tyson’s corner mall is 10min from where I was born and raised and it’s always been the closest mall! :) Always excited when you come out with new videos! You’re going great work!
At one point (about 3:00) it's mentioned he can't change identities until he pays off all his debts then quickly moved on. How does one "quickly" pay off their debts? I'd assume the program helped with it?
Well they tend to have an ethical responsibility to report accurate data but we know the government doesn't always act ethically. It's probably not too far off though
@@SocksPropaganda Or they have a greater ethical responsibility to bust organized crime, so they classify someone who gets harmed as a rule breaker so more witnesses are willing to rat on organized crime groups
Or there’s the more charitable way to look at it. Criminals thinking it’s possible to successfully murder witnesses in protection makes it more likely that those criminals will try and/or succeed. If it seems like finding and killing someone in witsec is impossible, then criminals will resort to other tactics that don’t involve going after those people.
Stationing cartel witnesses in Orange County is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. It's too close to the Southern border and the main smuggling corridor. Hit teams can just drive in and drive out. Or the witnesses themselves could decide to flee the country and be out of the country before breakfast. Other than El Paso or Nogales, I can't imagine there's a worse spot for a drug witness.
Wait, Tyson's corner mall? There was a hotel there with a bunch of cables that nobody could explain running into it when it was demolished! Right on Leesburg Pike.
It is easy to get 100% success when you grade your own test. In other words you are not meant to know who is in WP. Therefore anyone who goes “missing” can be said to not have been in WP.
Not to mention the very obvious modifier of "anyone who didn't break the rules." Anyone who gets found out and wacked, oh well I guess he wasn't following the rules!
"Required to pay off all legal debts before being issued a new identity" so we're just glossing over that??? What happens if you can't afford to pay? Do they absolve the debt? Does the person not get witsec protection anymore? That's a HUGE thing to say offhandedly in a single sentence and never bring up again.
One mistake you made was when you put that pin on "tysons corner mall". There is no plave called that. There are two main big malls at tysons corner. The one you have highlighted is called Tysons galleria or tysons 2 which does not have a victorias secret. The other mall is tysons corner center which does have a victorias secret.
Sam, thanks for recognizing that I'm pretty nifty, and yes, it was pretty wild that I decided to check that last ¶. Thanks for putting in the extra effort!
4:30 fun fact: "Daniel LaPolla" is a funny name in Spanish. If you translate the last name literally means "the chicken" but if you ever say "la polla", at leas in Spain, nobody will thin you're meaning that but "the penis". Yep.
As a person currently in the program and happily living in Intercourse, PA I can attest to the accuracy of this description and I will say this Intercourse was a hit and a-mish.
One huge vulnerability is that you state they pack their furniture and belongings from their old life? Sure, the multiple moving companies are good but what if there’s like a tracker on his couch or something?
Michael's situation was an off-the-books deal made with Dave. He was never actually in witness protection, he only said that so he wouldn't kick up more info in front of Trevor. Witness protection for WHAT? No one was convicted of anything!
The truth is that we wouldn't really know if witnesses are often found and killed because of the very nature of the program, we are just trusting the government which is obviously incentivized to show the most promising outcome.
And everyone who gets killed just gets labeled as "didn't follow the rules" 🤷🏼♀️
Honestly we can extremely confidently say some have been killed but written off for reasons stated above
If life has taught me one thing, it is that claims of 100% are essentially always deceptive. And I'm doubly skeptical especially since WITSEC is specifically incentivized to try to convince people that it is perfectly safe.
Yeah totally agreed. I don't trust secret security agencies' claims of success.
I feel like you would know a case where someone got killed because it would be big news.
Now I want a 30 minute Wendover feature on Mob Logistics
And logistics of your favorite airline, conair!
@@marcwenger9424I believe he already did Conair...
which timeframe we talking about? ancient times? not so ancient times? 10th till 12h century? 12 to 14? 14 to 16? early american history?
How the Mob tracks down Snitches
@@JKG52 Yes! Yes! And yes! Sam, make it so!
Next video: How to find someone who is in witness protection with a 100% success rate
The manhunt logistics of snitches under protection
Considering the kind of social media history people come with nowadays. I am baffled how this even works. And I am doing a tech degree .
@@jai-kk5uu they're probably not allowed to go online anymore. You do realize the government can stop most average people from accessing information, right? They can shut down many links and whatever.
@@1-4-johnny.cash.fan-8-8 yes but people in your new job will want to connect to you online. And specially in tech industry you need a linkedin profile.
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Fun fact: it's a bit of an open secret that many people under witness protection are sent to Point Roberts, Washington. The community is disconnected from the rest of the United States because it's only accessible via boat or via Canada, requiring two border crossings to get there.
This adds an extra layer of protection since the overland route places two additional checks on anyone accessing the community and removes the ability to bring a firearm, so the only access is by boat.
Boat only access doesn't make it impossible for crooks to reach the island, but it adds another layer of security since the area is near the border and boats in the area are closely monitored.
The more you know!
since its a small community wouldn't they quickly know there is a new person or family in the area? so i think it's an urban legend rather than fact.
@@ronblack7870 A lot of people there are seasonal residents so it wouldn't be that unusual
I would think the Northwest Angle would be even better since villains would have a much tougher time getting a boat on a lake vs from anywhere on the coast
@@jayteegamble NWA is much easier to get into by land and has a relatively permanent, albeit very small, population; whereas Point Roberts is mostly tourists and seasonal residents with only one point of entry via land, so it's a lot more secure in a few different ways.
I worlk for a NW trucking company, and we deal with five island carriers: ones for Vashon Island, San Juan Island, Orcas Island, Lopez Island, and the fifth one is Point Roberts Auto Freight. Point Roberts isn't an island, but it might as well be. ^_^
I love that Sam just outright said "The New York City government is in with the mafia."
It is why they have offices all over the world😂
As a New Yorker, it’s probably true. They’re literally some of the worst most useless politicians and government officials in America. And the corruption is blatant
"In other news, scientists recently discovered that the sky is blue!!"
Come on now, the mafia at least has some standards.
Lmao
the roblox terms being many times longer than literally changing your entire identity had me laughing so hard 😂
Easy to say, we own you. But then the military says that too.
Someone with a UA-cam channel once read the entire agreement for joining Facebook and it took nine hours.
@@CinemaDemocratica I bet he pressed declined
Just a sad chuckle from me, considering all the child labor exploitation that that particular document enables.
The government is efficient when it wants to be
I had a teacher who was in witness protection decades before I knew her. She was able to keep her identity because her name was so common it would have been like finding a needle in a haystack.
Then how did you know?
@@adamofblastworks1517 she told us. It had been so long and the guy was in prison, so she didn't keep it a secret.
What’s her name?
@@lmtlouis7546 previously, her first name was a super common name and her last name was Smith.
More like finding a needle in a needlestack.
I remember a case from many years back where the witness, along with two kids, would be receiving new identities after the trial, but in the meantime they were put up in a 1-star roadside motel room for two years because the trial kept getting delayed. I'd go mad.
oh wow, living in a hotel where your every need is catered to daily ... wow so terrible!
@@Massive-3D I don't think the were put in a 5 star hotel...
Also the time till you get the trial must be extremely nerve racking when your life is on the line...
@@stvia yeah i can imagine, sitting on the couch watching tv, eating chips and fearing for your existence
@@Massive-3D If this is your idea of a good time, I feel really bad for you...
@@Massive-3D Did you somehow miss the last few years? Little refresher - people coped so badly with being asked to stay inside their own homes (with a bunch of exceptions) that they lost it after two *weeks*. I myself haven't been able to leave my house regularly for several years and can only see friends under quite stringent circumstances. Let me tell you, it isn't a fun time, and I'm not even under threat.
Bill joins witness protection.
His name is changed to Jim.
Jim is murdered.
Bill is still alive afaek.
100% success!
😂😂
And quite a few "suicides" with a guy jumping through a glass window he was dedicated
WITSEC used to be (30+ years ago) a customer for a company I worked for, doing on-site field service at their offices.
Despite me having multiple security clearances, whenever I went into one of their offices, they passed the word around, all of them stopped what they were doing, and turned the papers on their desk upside down.
And their HQ was in a very unexpected location, meaning not a normal office building.
So it really is at Victoria's Secret at Tyson's Corner Mall?
@@tvdan1043 fbi incoming
@@tvdan1043 Nope. But the people who worked there loved working near a mall. Arrive for work before the mall open, so parking was close and easy. Forgot to being a lunch, lots of choices in the mall.
Except for December. If they had to leave the office during the day in December, then return to the office, they had a hike in front of them!
@@colinpovey2904 thanks for the information on the location of their headquarters!
@@harrisonkarn2078 I think they were only flipping papers over when this guy walked in haha
So sad that this is the last Half as Interesting video since Sam got arrested. But I heard there’s this new channel called Halls and Interstates run by a similar person named Salvador that does similar content
Is this a joke?
@@latticepoint5245really bro? Yes it’s a joke 😂
@@charliewebb7812 what do you mean? He’s being serious
salvador? didn't know las plagas had a UA-cam channel
You LIAR 👿👿👿👿👿
The mall you showed is Tysons Galleria (or Tysons II). It is only designer stores, and there's no Victoria's Secret. Tysons Corner Center (or Tysons I) is the mall you're looking for. It's across the street and *does* have a Victoria's Secret.
Source: I worked at Abercrombie & Fitch in Tysons I for five years.
Living proof that no matter what you say or how insignificant the mistake is, SOMEONE with more experience will find you and correct you.
Noah, listen. It's Victoria's Secret so we get it. She's proud of you, but the gig is up.
literally didn't check what stores the mall offers 😂😂😂
I live near Tyson’s and I was like “huh, the mall sure looks different than I imagined from a satellite” but yeah that’s totally galleria now that I’m looking at it
I was so confused when it showed not Tyson’s
"Not one rule abiding witness has been harmed or killed while under protection." But we wouldn't know that... because we don't know who they are... because they have another identity. Things that make you say hmmmm.
The agency that's running witness protection does though. Obviously they could be lying, although it being an official government stat gives it a none 0 level of credibility.
@@mnm1273 They are from the government and they are here to help. "It's weird. Every single one of our witnesses that have been killed also dropped out of the program on the day they were killed. Glad we have that 100% success rate."
True. In the UK I know someone, an entire family relocated to my village.
A mother and about 6 kids. They couldn't be photographed etc, all to try and stop the father from finding out where they were.
Within a month they'd all got Facebook accounts under their real names and were posting where they were.
The kids were stupid but raised by that family you can't really blame the children, some of the teenage ones you can they should know better.
Sadly the father didn't come down to deal with the mother so they've continued to live here sponging off the state these last 20 years. They don't work (because goodness me that would be too much of a risk, far safer they just spend all day socialising and claiming unemployment while going on 3 holidays per year paid for by my taxes)
About a half a million pounds or more to relocate them and it was technically wasted within a month.
We should recoup the cost of wasted tax payer money by selling her organs on the black market...
Dying is against the rules xD
@@esmeecampbell7396 You sound like a really nice person, huh
We had a guy in my neighborhood when we first moved in my parents called "witness protection guy". The guy moved in right when the neighborhood was built, was never even seen there (garbage cans ana cars would be moved so signs of life but nobody ever really met the guy) then one day out of the blue, the guy was gone. Just moved out after a few months. We have no idea if he was actually witness protection we just called him that because that would explain the oddity of the situation. Moving in, not talking to anyone, then leaving like you were never even there. Even stranger, this was before the internet but the house sold right away before they could even post a sign in the yard.
The majority of witness protection houses are those seized by the FBI / government bodies in general, be it through busts/raids or court case wins, etc. They then turn those houses into witness protection safehouses. Few are just bought on the open market, at least the ones we know about....
basically what I am to my neighbours as a night shift worker lol
Growing up there was a house in our neighborhood all the kids thought sold cocaine. Cocaine because the type of people were a lot more rough than you would see with like say a pot dealer. The people there didn't work, weren't disabled or anything like that.
It turned out they had ads in the yellow pages and newspapers for years for escorts. All us dumb kids called those ads for laughs not knowing the calls were literally going to a neighbor. The rough looking people we saw were pimps and hookers dropping off their part of the deal.
They ran those ads for years. They were exactly what you have heard and they had no fear from law enforcement. Law enforcement at that time was too busy harassing the old guy with cancer in the neighborhood for his grass being too long or harassing others for unplanted cars in their driveways to ever car about in your face human trafficking.
Sounds like he was a really smart drug dealer.
same lmfao
I loved the thruline bit of your identity being secret. One of your best videos yet, made me giggle.
the lore behind who Sam is thickens
The best part is that it’s really not, he has no issue showing his face in Jet Lag
My grandfather was head of transportation for James Earl Ray (MLK’s killer) after he escaped from prison. The press got so bad, and because they were afraid he’d be assassinated, they sent an empty prison van to the front of the courthouse and drove Ray to the back in my Grandmother’s 1960’s Ford Falcon. I still have the cigarette lighter from that Ford Falcon.
That car would be a museum piece now
james earl ray did not kill MLK.
and the car clapped
fym MLK's killer, he was framed, even MLK's family believe he was framed
Do you think he really did it? I believe even Coretta Scott King is on record saying she didn't believe it was him.
Ah, witness protection... The thing Michael WASNT IN.
Of course he wasnt. No one was convicted of anything
WITNESS PROTECTION FOR WHAT?!
Exactly.
Or WAS HE?
@@iyrccafle NO ONE WAS CONVICTED OF ANYTHING!!?!
Was lowkey hoping you'd mention how Henry Hill (from Goodfellas) actually got kicked out of the witness protection program because he kept bragging about being the guy from Goodfellas when he got drunk and they got sick of having to relocate him so many times. Also his wife divorced him partly because of all the hassle of the aforementioned relocations.
I don't think this should be a thing
This is… not true. He was kicked out of witness protection for dealing cocaine several years before Goodfellas was released.
@@f4rr3r he was kicked out multiple times, IIRC it was 3 or 4 times
Wait... is Goodfellas... _real?_ By which I mean based on a true story? I've never actually seen it, all I know about it is that it held the record for most F-bombs for some time.
@@Wendy_O._Koopayup! Based off a book called “Wise Guy” by Nicholas Pileggi! Good read
I wonder what happens if the witness has debts they cannot immediatly pay off. Even a mortage could get complicated if you where in negative equity.
I'd guess it all goes through WITSEC and they handle it for them
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BANKRUPTCY!!!!
thats why the success rate only applies to law abiding citizens
I was thinking the same. I have quite a bit of student loan debt, so if I was required to pay it all off before getting my new identity… I’d be screwed, hahaha! 😅
@@Keitorin2013 If they can set people up with a new birth certificate and fake school records, I'm sure they could arrange a new student loan you have to pay off, and use the proceeds to anonymously pay off the original loan. They'd effectively transfer the debts to your new identity, in a way that doesn't leave any sort of paper trail.
Fun fact: when a witness is found, the program takes their designation as “protected witness” away from said person, so they never lose a “protected witness”
That ain't fun
What does that mean
@@sousahsasEssentially, it’s the same as a retirement home saying no resident has died there because they’re no longer considered residents post-mortem.
@@IAmGodHimself777 but that’s lying :( thanks for explaining
I'm interested to know how WITSEC defends against its own officers being compromised and corrupted by criminals. If I was a mob boss I'd be trying to get one of my own guys hired to work there.
like he said, a witsec officer would only know about 1 family in the program at a time, which they do not get to choose.
so the chance that a well monitored person would be putting in the work to only maybe get to know the location of the specific snitch they are trying to catch would be way to much work.
@@tymenvanessen3119 But if the mob boss got 10 of his guys hired...?
@@Berkeloid0 The mob boss is going to have to wait for 20 years of their US Marshal career to pass before they get considered for WITSEC. Also they need a spotless record since WITSEC agents are usually doing it until they retire or are promoted to Head of Special Agents. (The top of WITSEC). So position’s don’t open up for years unless someone retires.
@@Berkeloid0 you think that the mob boss or anyone simply could get into the Witsec?
@@despareint No, I think it would be nearly impossible. But the person I was replying to said the program could not be compromised because your informant would only deal with one case at a time, so I pointed out that if you were capable of getting one informant in there, then you only need repeat the process to get more informants in there in order to compromise it.
I love how your sons are Oscar and Lando. McLaren fan confirmed.
Poor Sam...
Zak Brown probably wants to enter witness protection based on how this season is starting
Not surprising, as he had a McLaren cap in season 3 of Jet Lag.
He gave Lando's birthdate to Oscar at 3:01
3:33 "at least 90 days of subsistence payments... On average about $1,150 a week."
That's more than TWICE what I made while working in a factory.
So? The government takes away the money the second he stops looking for the job and it's only for 90 days. What do you expect? The government to literally rip away everything in his life and survive in a foreign area with nothing?
Me too
Time to get involved in the criminal underworld buddy.
But you’re not giving valuable information on matters that can cost an extreme amount of lives…or are you?🤫
Those of us who are pretty nifty, are grateful for the extra work you put into the little details! It made my day!
:)
Amazing that Sam could afford to hire the Bojack Horseman writers for that intro
I love how this channel keeps building lore about Sam from HAI. It's like he's an entirely different persona from Sam Denby.
Our sense of reality is warped by tv and film. Because stories around law enforcement agencies continue to be one of the most profitable genres out there we take what we see as fact- there’s a consistent way Hollywood portrays each career path and it’s activities, but in reality it’s way more boring than you’d think. The same is true for witness protection. As long as you follow the rules you would be safe- it’s when you slip up that you get caught up. But media opts for the more dramatized version where super assassins can find a needle in the ocean because it makes for a more exciting story, but because we see it so often we take it as fact.
Yep. It’s pretty constant across anything. Military shows love to hype the 1% of things, the “super elite navy seal team”, or documentaries love to focus on the “war winning wonder weapons” when 99% of the military is not that, and most of the important weapons of war are mass produced and pretty average.
Same with heist or crime movies too. The most effective robberies are the simple, low security banks. Most criminal murders and hits are usually the easiest and most deniable, like drive bys or something.
You know not multi step high profile bank heists or teams of highly trained gunmen storming a mansion to kill one guy. Real life is just pretty mundane.
It's scary how well some bad guys can do their job. Get tasked to find witness, learn of funeral, realize witness may show up, remember witness has house in area, confirm witness presence at funeral, drive over to house, and rig bomb without being seen or leaving traces that would tip off witness. And since this wasn't a one person operation, there had to have been close timed coordination between the those who handled the relationship aspect and those who handled the hardware.
You don't have to do all that planning. Just leave a bomb there as a backup plan in case they come back. It's pretty simple to assume that someone will go back to their house.
They most likely didn't know that he was back and just left it there when they saw the empty house.
It doesn't have to be bomb, witness could have "accident"
Thanks a lot! This video just helped me find my buddy Michael after he ghosted me one day. The other guys in the crew will be so happy.
@0:32 Mr. Bean on the left ...
0:36 “not one rule-abiding witness has been harmed or killed” until there’s Trevor.
A certain speedrunner is now feeling a disturbance in the force
@@cannedfrootloops7803 *midnight swim starts playing*
the delivery and writing of the line "super murdered" had me pig laughing. please keep doing wat you're doing.
Sam, can you make a video about the logistics of bricks? 😊
The bricks are under witness protection, speaking about bricks is strictly prohibited.
This may sound strange, but I was so excited to hear the ad read. 80000 hours is an excellent organization that helps people do good in the world more effectively. And I'm all about efficiency.
2:04 That's not Tyson's Corner Mall, that's Tyson's Galleria. Tyson's Corner is on the other side of 123. That's its northern parking garage at the bottom center of the video
Could you imagine being transported in a mail truck, I'm willing to bet if there going that far they probably put the witness in a box as well to get him from the truck to inside lol
Funny how the picture of the "mail truck" was a Fedex truck. Talk about rough handling.
I really wish witness protection would be offered more often in gang cases, how could you expect someone to put a bullseye on their head without protecting them?
We know where you are, Sean. We're coming for you.
why would you warn him... 🤦♂
@@oscar_r69420 Shock and Awe
Half as Interesting: exposing the secrets that keep witnesses safe for your enjoyment! 😂
Edit: secrets that are keeping him safe???
Love your videos! Tyson’s corner mall is 10min from where I was born and raised and it’s always been the closest mall! :)
Always excited when you come out with new videos! You’re going great work!
4:20 so now I’m curious about Half as Interesting’s past
The town he mentioned that with the relocation is also the town where he lives
@@ŁovePolskaI think it’s just a skit as this vid was made by Amy miller and unless she’s ratting him out than it’s fake
Some of your videos are funny & informative.
Others are ridiculously hilarious & informative.
This one was the latter - great job!!
As an Aspen lover, seeing how often such an awesome place comes up in your videos is really sick.
At one point (about 3:00) it's mentioned he can't change identities until he pays off all his debts then quickly moved on. How does one "quickly" pay off their debts? I'd assume the program helped with it?
That moment when half as interesting becomes a full blown Wendover video.
lol, That "sniper" at 4:08 is using a Typhoon F12, 12 gauge shotgun.
"My Blue Heaven" is a great movie featuring witness protection. It's also considered the comedy version of "Goodfellas," kinda.
it worked back before internet days...today not so much.
It’s all good until an Australian in a black tank top tries to expose you
"but the rats don't run this city, we do". made me laugh lol. thanks
One question though - even if someone in witness protection were harmed, would we, the general public, actually get to know about it?
Well they tend to have an ethical responsibility to report accurate data but we know the government doesn't always act ethically. It's probably not too far off though
@@SocksPropaganda Or they have a greater ethical responsibility to bust organized crime, so they classify someone who gets harmed as a rule breaker so more witnesses are willing to rat on organized crime groups
Or there’s the more charitable way to look at it. Criminals thinking it’s possible to successfully murder witnesses in protection makes it more likely that those criminals will try and/or succeed. If it seems like finding and killing someone in witsec is impossible, then criminals will resort to other tactics that don’t involve going after those people.
@@marietailor3100i do not say It IS Impossible... People are flawed...
knock knock "FBI OPEN UP"
"Hol on lemme do this ad read really quick"
"aight bet"
The joke about Waffle House was absolutely perfect.
I would 100% believe that every waffle house is staffed purely by ex-mafiosos in witness protection
1:05 bro is trying to hold in his laughter.
Stationing cartel witnesses in Orange County is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. It's too close to the Southern border and the main smuggling corridor. Hit teams can just drive in and drive out. Or the witnesses themselves could decide to flee the country and be out of the country before breakfast. Other than El Paso or Nogales, I can't imagine there's a worse spot for a drug witness.
That's why they sent him to Aspen, CO instead
(Good point though)
Crime Spree feels a lot different after watching this video
As someone who is in the program and currently lives in Aspen, I can confirm that the information in this video is accurate.
darkviperau would know a bit about witness protection
Wait, Tyson's corner mall?
There was a hotel there with a bunch of cables that nobody could explain running into it when it was demolished! Right on Leesburg Pike.
It’s still an active building so doubt that’s it
It is easy to get 100% success when you grade your own test. In other words you are not meant to know who is in WP. Therefore anyone who goes “missing” can be said to not have been in WP.
Not to mention the very obvious modifier of "anyone who didn't break the rules." Anyone who gets found out and wacked, oh well I guess he wasn't following the rules!
The most unrealistic part of this video was him being sent to Aspen, even the government can’t afford those home prices
Just pointing out that Sam is totally not in witness protection, Sam is totally a name that people not in witness protection would ever pick
This man just made a perfect Glock advertisement “instead of stitches get switches” 😂
Love how the two weird sons are Oscar and Lando.
"he lands a UPS gig(shoutout to his delivery experience)" drug deliver just so nonchalant
0:07 sounds like a Bojack horseman bit
Loved it! I loved the show In Plain Sight you referenced.
3:03 Guess if you have student loans then you better not narc on your dangerous associates 💀
Plot twist: half as interesting is running his yt channel while in witness protection
1:37 shocks me that polygraphs are still used in the modern justice system
Yeah they suck
Artificial Intelligence can polygraph yo ass wirelessly
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“the witness protection program. the stuff of TV, movies, and video games such as GTA V, where one of our protagonists, michael townley, is in.”
Witness protection for what? No one was convicted of anything.
Davey!
Cougars are in missions now?
Did you just listen to the stuff they don’t want you to know podcast? That just did a great episode on witness protection.
I know the dude who essentially wrote the book for this, he changed his identity around 19 times. It’s pretty cool
we need a mob logistics episode next
the orange county haven drug ring is absolutely hilarious
My FBI agent: “Call the Attorney General and ask for a Hoover Max Pressure Pro Model 60.”
"Required to pay off all legal debts before being issued a new identity" so we're just glossing over that??? What happens if you can't afford to pay? Do they absolve the debt? Does the person not get witsec protection anymore? That's a HUGE thing to say offhandedly in a single sentence and never bring up again.
My mom went missing 5 years ago, the police said it's very possible she is in witsec and he would never know to tell us...
5:25 that's a nice text
The title "Princess Protection Program" used to confuse me so much when I was younger!
I still can't hear the words "witness protection program" without thinking of that movie.
I know a guy who knows a guy who knows another guy who can do this without the paperwork. Just call him and ask him for a vacuum cleaner.
One mistake you made was when you put that pin on "tysons corner mall". There is no plave called that. There are two main big malls at tysons corner. The one you have highlighted is called Tysons galleria or tysons 2 which does not have a victorias secret. The other mall is tysons corner center which does have a victorias secret.
All I know is that Michael Townley definitely was not in witness protection
The Don watching this,
"Write that down! Mail truck! Write that down!"
Witness protection for what?! No one was convicted of anything
was looking for this comment 😂
Sam, thanks for recognizing that I'm pretty nifty, and yes, it was pretty wild that I decided to check that last ¶. Thanks for putting in the extra effort!
:)
4:30 fun fact: "Daniel LaPolla" is a funny name in Spanish. If you translate the last name literally means "the chicken" but if you ever say "la polla", at leas in Spain, nobody will thin you're meaning that but "the penis". Yep.
"I need a dust filter for a Hoover Max extract pressure pro model 60. Can you help me with that?"
As a person currently in the program and happily living in Intercourse, PA I can attest to the accuracy of this description and I will say this Intercourse was a hit and a-mish.
I'm surprised the sponsor was not a vpn
I guess Sam has decided to just be open about living in Aspen now that he's usually off galivanting around the world. :P
Witness protection must be a scary thing to go through if you're the child of a witness.
This is a great video that I've watched in full to the end!
The whole 6 minutes? Not bad, not bad.
me who watched 1 HOUR SILENCE BLACK SCREEN HD in full:
@@Massive-3D is there even a difference between HD and 480p for that said video?
One huge vulnerability is that you state they pack their furniture and belongings from their old life?
Sure, the multiple moving companies are good but what if there’s like a tracker on his couch or something?
Imagine how hard it would be to effectively have nothing to do with the person you were. Insane.
I wish for that
No, the only secret about tysons corner is the confusing multi level parking garage
Thank you to whoever put in the sponsorblock sections for filler/jokes. There are seven of them and I'm glad I didn't have to experience them
13 year old yt account cant fully watch a 6 minute video, what happened to shame
"and the only secret there is Victoria's" that was pretty funny haha
So basically, Michael De Santa wasn't in witness protection
Pretty cool how the whole Plot of GTA V is centered around the orange country witness protection program
Michael's situation was an off-the-books deal made with Dave. He was never actually in witness protection, he only said that so he wouldn't kick up more info in front of Trevor. Witness protection for WHAT? No one was convicted of anything!
Excellent as always.