Jim Cornette on Locker Room Politicians
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"Hulk Hogan is a master politician, but Kevin Nash is a 5 star general of politics" - Kevin Sullivan
NeosGX 01 Its pro wrestling. Pro wrestling is a politics Game. I think brody was a master politician as well thats a reason he got stabbed tp death.
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Which I'm trying to figure out how does that make Carlos Colon any less of a murderer.
UMOGrunt Carlos Colon didnt do anything vince wouldnt had done. invader was like puerto rico's steve austin so carlos covered up for him because invader sold tickets(Used to before the murder) he regreted later on im sure cuz business went down once less americans stopped coming in. Reason i compare him to vince is cuz vince lied to protect jimmy snuka too after snuka murder his gf.
*Carlos Colon didnt do anything vince wouldnt had done.*
Three things to note here though
one is the fact that Nancy Argentino's didn't happen at a WWF arena or show
two is the fact that their were witnesses to what happened in the situation with Brody unlike the Argentno incident.
and three is fact that the investigation into Argentino's death was never closed hence why Snuka would be rearrested on charges relating to that case. By comparison I don't recall the guy that stabbed Brody being rearrested on charges related to the crime.
I mean you can try to compare the two incidents but the Brody Murder is far more suspect.
Then that makes New Jack a ...... ???
Triple H married the boss's daughter and took over the company. He wins.
Nope Vince is still alive.
how? AEW wins the war by the time HHH takes command.
AEW can barely compete with the C show of wwe
@azart61 and
Rob Roux there is no war Vince won’t give a fuck if AEW beats nxt the DEVELOPMENTAL brand
Triple H how he booked himself 15 time world champion beats me
When your the promoter’s son-in-law you can get away with a lot through nepotism.
Hard to not put Hogan at the top of the list, if not simply because he had that creative control clause in his contract. "Doesn't work for me, brother".
I can see Kevin Nash doing quite well. Dude is smooth, and also happens to be tall as fuck. Works in your favor I'd imagine.
Triple H is I’m sorry.
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Didn't always work in his favor though.
UMOGrunt How did it not. If he got fired he’d had moved to WCW.
Naruto Can Kill Goku
His booking after the curtain call which included being buried by Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania is one such example.
Got to be trips... Hogan was drawing huge money in the 80’s and used that to leverage promoters for the rest of his career. Nash just took advantage of people with more money than sense.
Trips on the other hand has never drawn as a top guy, his best work was always as a heel working with The Rock, and Austin. You could have put either guy in with me and we’d have sold out every arena... Despite all that, he has never put anyone over when they needed it (Angle, Goldberg, Booker T, Jericho to name a few), and is something like a 14 time world champ?!
J Fev yea it’s ridiculous
He put over Benoit, Batista, Cena and Daniel Bryan
@@jarrodtollison3530 THANK YOU!!
Fuck putting over washed up WCW talent!
Booker was a 5-time champion and Goldberg could only work 3min squash matches!!
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D'Von had Deacon Bautista; CASE CLOSED!!
@@jarrodtollison3530 he didn't want to put over Daniel Bryan. The fans did that. Cena was getting over on his own didn't need stephanie's husbands help. Put over Batista, I will give you that but as Jim says "Him and Helmsley started working out together and suddenly he was a star we just never saw it." And with Benoit i think everyone finally just saw it was his time to have the big gold belt. The brass ring from the company. Not like Paul came out and said, "we are putting chris over at the rumble and he is gunna beat me and shawn at mania. It was cause of eddie.
WCW forgets iron sheik was on their payroll. What a surprise
Lanny Poffo was on the payroll in wcw for 5 years and never wrestled 1 match.
Brad Armstrong too. Got paid for 2 years after the "Buzzkill" gimmick.
Bobby Eaton got paid until 2000, and he hadn't been seen on TV since late 1997-early 1998.
lol I never knew Iron Sheik was the Milton from Office Space of WCW.
Ventura was a true politician indeed, lol, even back in those days hahaha.
Yeah Hehad the greatness of vince on the other side, didnt put up with shit, vince must have hated him but loved the money he brings. Sadly mary j Released jessies brain now takes it...
"Bulldog" Bob Brown, nice reference Corny. I'm from Winnipeg ( stop laughing) saw a lot of the old "Bulldog" up here when I was a kid.
Saw old Bulldog many times over here on the coast in Atlantic Grand Prix. Oh the memories. :P
"Go back to Toronto"
I'm from St Louis and saw way way way too much of bulldog Bob Brown
Seems like HHH has done pretty well for himself. Dude is in line to basically run WWE.
this aged like bananas
@@dlmoney11 He’s worth 150 million. He’ll be alright.
Lol you googled his net worth. I can promise you those aren't accurate. It's ok to say you're wrong
@@dlmoney11 you beat me to it lolol
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Austin also deserves a mention. But what Hogan made McMahon do at WM 9 is definitely the worst in my book, he wins hands down.
Maître Renard but Austin was always right. He never buried anyone else for his sake, and he was the biggest star in wrestling history. He never had a Finger spoke of Doom, never had an incident like Russo/Hogan at Bash at the Beach and never married the bosses daughter so that he could spend all of 2003-04 burying WCW’s top guys.
Jim cornette, the undertaker and Brett hart three guys I would love to sit down have a bbq and just listen to stories and ask questions.
I am surprised Michael's and Ventura were not mentioned in this commentary.
People have forgot Jessie Ventura was even a wrestler.
Ventura wasn’t a politician backstage. He was just a diva.
Shawn Michael's easily. Buried the hell out of people, drew nothing, somehow was the top star who never had to lose his titles clean.
@Adam Irishconundrum he's just a sexy boy
southerncajuncharm that’s all true but he wasn’t a draw
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All of the above are true...
But any of those things makes him a Draw, he was not one of the top "money drawers" of the company; that's nothing here that say's he's a shitty performer or such...
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I didn't say he wasn't, i said he was not the biggest draw and that's true, like even Diesel, Hall and Brett were bigger then; the only one that could match Shawn in-ring talent was Bret...
But guess what talent did not mean they're good draws... How many of those people that were best draws than him would be buried he was never buried himself because he had better people in his corner, like for example, Vince... That's all there is to it.
Hogan refused loosing clean to the likes of Shawn Michaels, Sting, Macho Man, Brett Hart and almost to the Warrior, just to name a few. Sure HHH or Michaels himself should be high on the list and buried upcoming stars, but what Hogan did to those LEGENDS at the TOP of their game puts him on a league of his own. Even at his freaking 50s.
Imagine this,the kliq 90s era, hulk hogan from 80s-90s, ultimate warrior ,randy orton and john cena in the same locker room. I can't even imagine the politics that will happen in that locker room.
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How can you forget Triple H? In early 2000s
Imagen Shaun Michaels was a nightmare in the locker room back in the day
I wonder if other than Brett Hart tearing out his hair if anyone ever had enough of Shawns shit and just whipped his ass.
LOL - The WCW management must have been really incompetant if they "forgot" about Shieks contract rolling over and they ended up stuck with him!
I'm amazed that Jim didn't mention Shawn Michaels!
HHH and HBK have to be in the conversation for biggest (or 2nd & 3rd biggest) politicians
Hogan, Nash, HHH, Jeff Jarrett, DDP
and the never drawing, pill popping, kliq douche, show staller, fart break skidmark, cross-eyed Shawn "lost my smile" Michaels
Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels etc
I remember seeing Bulldog Bob Brown several times. Great worker, heel, and performer. Very personable guy, too.
Dusty definitely needs to be in the discussion
He was the f****** boss
If Bulldog Bob Brown were still alive today, I'm convinced he'd still get one run a year as Central States Champion. As for the biggest locker room lawyer of all time--how about Bob Roop? The guy tried to incite takeovers of not one, but two, promotions.
Jesse Ventura
HB GAY was Vince's favorite boy toy
"Shawn is gay? Shawn is not Gay, ask your sister if Shawn is gay!" - HBK
I'm from the mid west and "Bulldog Bob Brown" was a big star in the old NWA Central States Territory around Kansas City..............................
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Shawn Michaels
Nash only did skits in TNA.
Politicians who didn't draw:
Nash
Jarrett
Triple H
Nash and Hall talk a good story about Kliq north and south. Fact Hogan took WWF to the Moon in mid 80's then WCW to moon and back in the 90's. Nash and Hall made great money for them self but not the Wagon!!
They made money with the NWO. It was their idea. They literally changed wrestling forever.
@@christianrapper too bad it was already being done in Japan, and Bischoff copied it. Ask Masahiro Chono.
Half way through and no Shawn Michaels mention...
Grew up watching Central States wrestling. Thanks for nod to Bulldog Bob Brown and Butch Reed!
Hogan was in the right place at the right time. That’s all
HBK???
Solely for what he did to Vader you're right he deserves to be on everyone's list of politicians and premadonnas
HBK was the worst cuz he didnt draw and tried making sure others didnt draw either.
TheBestEVER4LIFE please tell me how he kept others from drawing. HBK was champ when the nWo first came out so no one was going to beat that. This idea that Nash and HBK made the WWF loose ratings is fucking dumb. NO ONE DREW IN THE WWF FROM 93-97 not Bret Hart, not Nash, not HBK, not Undertaker, not Yokozuna, not Sid. The ratings were down and never went up no matter who was on top.
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It was the 90's no one was drawing.
UMOGrunt austin, rock, even hogan were drawing.. the 90's hell even warrior and goldberg drew. But look at the ppvs when hbk was champ the same guys were always headlining(his buddies)
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Between about 93/94 to about 97/98 WWE was treading water financially even with some of those names you mentioned.
Also Goldberg was never apart of WWE in the 90's.
TheBestEVER4LIFE none of those people were drawing before 1996 though, you can’t compare someone beef for the wrestling boom to after the wrestling Boone. It’s not like all those guys were drawing before 96 and then HBK came in and all the ratings went down. The NWO started in 96 WCW‘s ratings were kicking the shit out of the WWF‘s, but the WWF‘s weren’t really going down anymore they were just staying the same. Through Brett, HBK, Diesel, Yokozuna, Sid.....All those champions the WWF had from 93 to 97 all have the same ratings, they were all low. If you want to get technical about it you can go on the network and watching 93 when Brett was champion and you can see that they were in high school jams or in the Manhattan Center in front of 2000 people I’m watching 1995 when diesel is champion and their least in front of 10,000 people now.
How is Andre not mentioned?
Would guys that were stooges to management in order to obtain clout be in this category? If so, names like Chief Jay Strongbow & Mr. Fuji in the WWWF/WWF, come to mind.
Jeff Jarrett in tna to the point I got sick looking at him but nothing compares to the hulkster brother
What's the definition of a politician? Someone who got what they didn't deserve, or someone who got there way
Without a doubt the best politician was Jesse Ventura...
Bret even said in his book when he became champ, Vince told him "I want you to call me everyday, I want to speak to my champion everyday." Bret stopped calling him after a week or so lolz and was notorious for being almost late to shows, so not exactly a political guy in my eyes. Meanwhile it's pretty well know Shawn + friends would spend hours on end in Vince's office.
But really it's whoever the new flavour of the month is that Vince tends to listen to, I'm sure it was stone cold after that, Rock, HHH, Cena etc.. I recall stories of Alberto Delrio sitting next to Vince on flights when he was on top.
Kliq, Hogan, Cena, maybe Brock and Booker T even
Nash's problem is that as he aged his physical ability waned, it was hard for him because of physical pain, but he wheedled a gold microphone persona.
On his best day he still sucked in the ring.
@@rolltide9547 Wrestling is an act you know that and Nash had the acting part down good. Yeah he did suck in the ring, but that wasn't what made him a star
Would Buddy Rogers and Jack Pfefer be in the list?
Too far back
Fun fact: wrestling didnt exist before hulk hogan
True story
@@tonyh1718 i see you are a man of culture too
I like Nash, but he admits to threatening someone’s job in nearly every shoot
Hogan Was The Best. Nash Second. Shawn Michaels Third. Scott Hall Fourth.
@azart61 Hogan refused loosing clean to the likes of Shawn Michaels, Sting, Macho Man, Brett Hart and almost to the Warrior, just to name a few. Sure HHH should be high on the list because he buried upcoming stars, but what Hogan did to those LEGENDS at the TOP of their game puts him on a league of his own.
Buck stops with Vince.
Politicking won't get you anywhere unless he wants you to be a star.
Wrestlers blame other wrestlers because it's easier to accept than the fact Vince doesn't rate them as high.
Hogan in WCW was another thing, but he had creative control.
HHH clearly is the greatest locker room politician. Why is this for debate?
To answer rhat we needed to know if he f.ed Steph in the locker room.
It's HHH hands down!
How he know he never worked with Hogan
His arguement was since Hogan drew money that him getting his way was a result of that not politicking. He is using the definition that politicians get spots they dont deserve but Hogan drew
Shawn Michaels should be one, so should Moolah who never lost, Jeff Jarrett, world champion too many times in WCW.
Hogan refused loosing clean to the likes of Shawn Michaels, Sting, Macho Man, Brett Hart and almost to the Warrior, just to name a few. Sure Michaels should be high on the list but what Hogan did to those LEGENDS at the TOP of their game puts him on a league of his own.
Moolah never lost because no one cared and women’s wrestling was a fragment of what it is today. They’re were times maybe there was just 3 women on the roster at a given time back in those days
None are good locker room leaders straight trash .. The only one Jesse the body Ventura because he pushed to unionize but Hogan ratted him out
I rather listen to Jim Cornette than Bruce Pritchard. Jim is more believe able than Bruce.
Jim can tell a story, Bruce can’t.
J Crash were all biased to some degree.
Hulk Hogan was the biggest star. He had the right to have a say so. Kevin nash was a politician but he was worthless and sucked
HHH Shawn Bret Warrior flair why worst
Funny that Undertaker is bigger than most of these stars and yet he is one of the most loyal and obedient soldier. If he has the ego of these politicians, the streak would not end at the hands of Lesnar.
Ventura Didn't Make Any Where Near What Hogan,Nash,HBK,And Hall Did.
Norman the lunatic
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Bret Hart has to be #1 all time, how he was ever WWF Champion is beyond me.
Just Jim having an excuse to bury black wrestlers. Few of them as they are, it's always butch or ernie or whomever, I'm sure Jim wasn't even allowed around the locker room especially with his proclivities also he doesn't even give an example he just says he can see butch doing this or that which wasn't even the question being asked really
There are literally no stories of Hogan being negative backstage....literally none but the fans always cite him without reference. It is ridiculous even name Hogan in this topic, Hogan never stirred up anyone and never backstabbed anyone. He took care of a lot of guys and Hogan drew more than anyone else ever.
Especially if you don’t count the undertaker and brett hart.
Honky tonk man, macho man, ultimate warrior, Bret hart.
@@leelunsford8171 - Yup and consider that list and the majority of wrestlers that that issue with every one of those guys. HTM has flipped flopped on Hogan and KK Bundy nailed HTM on blasting Hogan. Hogan got HTM the job and the title at WWF which made his career, he was done until HH saved him. Macho was whacked and difficult, just listened to Konnan talk about him, almost everyone hated the Warrior and Breat Hart....LOL, ok dude....LMBO with that list. You literally named the worst and most blasted wrestlers, only missing Flair, and Abdullah to round out that list.
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Next to John garbage Cena the racist bastard Hogan is tops so is sorry drawing nash! Second would have to be DDP Or JBL trash wrestlers always love politics!
Bret hart is the biggest politician ever and ita not close!!!!!
U must have never seen hogan hogan was wayyyy worse
Bret hart never was a politician.. You fucking dumbass... Its your pussy wagon shawn micheals who was the greatest politician wrestling ever seen
Amazing exchange.
@@rysonthomas8551 lol..an internet tough guy..you should listen to Bruce Pritchard moron..he was head of creative and said Bret was the biggest politician in the history of the wwf and used his creative control almost every match he was in..
HOGAN WAS THE BEST. RUSSO WAS BETTER THAN JIM. MCMAHON, DIXIE, AND WCW CHOSE VINCE RUSSO OVER CORNETTE. SMW WAS THE DRIZZLING SHITS.
gebo ganes When you go into wrestling you gotta play politics and look out for yourself if you want to make big bucks especially if there was no guaranteed contracts like back in the days. But Hogan didnt buried anyone or made sure someone else got fired, He refused to job to certain guys but that was to protect himself and his value. Hbk n kliq got ppl buried and fired.
Ole Anderson, I knew you’d come!
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If Russo's a better writer why did he go work for WCW and TNA both of which were second and third to WWE and book some of the worst angles and matches to make TV?
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Russo is a guy who thinks disqualifications should work in a cage match, loves angles that involve people getting pregnant and then having a miscarriage, and apparently thinks that worked shoots and pole matches are must see TV.
You call go into a spiel about the last 6-12 years of WWE booking but that doesn't in anyway mitigate anything Russo's done over the last 20 years across three different wrestling promotions most of which was bullshit.
And incidentally saw him cause one of those promotions to lose their TV deal.
LMAO You Have Issues, And I Feel Sorry For You Bro. You Don't Even Know What You're Talking About Moron.
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