4 OVERLOOKED SIGNS OF ROOF FAILURE! (These 4 Signs Show You May Need Roof Repair/Replacement Soon!)
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4 OVERLOOKED SIGNS OF ROOF FAILURE! (These 4 Signs Show You May Need Roof Repair/Replacement Soon!)
Some signs of impending roof failure are obvious--missing shingles, tree damage, and wind damage. And yet, some other signs are more subtle but just as important. This short video from The Honest Carpenter and Baker Roofing will show 4 of the most overlooked signs of roof failure!
1) SHINGLE CURLING: This is a phenomenon where shingles curl at their bottom edges. To some extent, it is normal behavior. New shingles will occasionally experience mild curling, then flatten out.
But, as a roof approaches the end of its life span (past the 12-15 year mark), shingle curling will become more prolific. This is often an indication that it's time for a full roof replacement.
2) NAIL POPS: Roofs have thousands of nails in them. Over time, due to expansion and contraction of the roof, some of these nails will work themselves loose. When covered nail heads push up through the shingle layer, they can damage the roof envelope.
Fortunately, nail pops can often be fixed by a roofer, sometimes without even replacing the top shingle. You can spot nail pops by looking up the roofline from ground level.
3) GRANULE LOSS: Shingles are made up of fiberglass mat and asphalt covered with mineral granules to deflect UV rays and provide durability. These granules can come loose and tumble down the roof. In new roofs, some mild granule loss is to be expected. But, in older roofs, excessive granule loss can be signs that the roof is failing.
Dark bald patches will begin to show up in the roof field--this is the asphalt showing through the mineral granules. When widespread granule loss occurs on an older roof, it is often a sign that roof replacement is necessary. You can find excessive granule loss in clean gutters!
4) INTERIOR STAINING: When water seeps through the roof envelope, it can stain the roof deck and framing in attics. Dark signs are indications of consistent leaks. These stains will often be near ROOF PENETRATIONS, such as plumbing boots, chimneys, and gas vents.
Many of these leaks are the result of flashing failures up above, and can often be addressed with a simple repair. Also, some light, dry staining may be the result of a leak that was fixed long ago!
Thanks for watching!
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Outline any water stains in the attic with a Sharpie. It's easy to keep track of an old stable stain vs. a new and spreading leak.
My subdevelopment was built 20 years ago, and roofing companies know it. So they started knocking on doors last year Once one neighbor replaced a roof, it was like a starting pistol for not only neighbors replacing roofs (hey, everyone seems to be), but also more and more contractors knocking on my door offering assessments and deals.
Thanks for the 4 signs. No curling/lifting on mine, some granule loss yearly but not accelerating. No wet patches in the attic, though a local roofer screwed down all the ridge vents 5 years back, a couple of nails came loose during a storm. A dripping down a ceiling podlight was the sign then.
Already intend to call them this year to run an assessment. Great attitude, no upselling/fearmongering. Just cool professionalism.
This is awesome, dude. For real. Can you do a video like this for windows, too? Obviously, a leaking window is a problem, but are there any non-obvious signs that a window needs replacmenet?
I’ll definitely tackle some window issues with baker too, Wan!
This ia a good video for people house buying too. We bought in Apr 2020, and in Aug 2021 had to put on a new roof. We were told the roof was abt 10 years old when we bought. We had a house inspection but it was apparently only looked at briefly from a ladder on the front south side. Inside leaks were forming last summer after heavy rains. Most of the Damage was on the back north side where it wasn't checked. After asking neighbors who had been here for 40 years, and having 5 different roofers quote...the roof was a solid 20-25+ years old. The pics from the roofers definitely showed a ton of bald shingles. So we had to spring for a replacement way sooner than we expected.
Thanks, These are 4 great reasons to use metal roofing instead of asphalt shingles. 👍
I'm about ready to Rhino line or Line-X my roof and be done with it.
Thanks for the video.
I'm in Houston where we have crazy amounts of flooding and rainfall. I have mostly solved the drainage issues at my house, but didn't know how to look for issues with the roof. Thanks for this video. Looking for water damage inside the attic is a great idea! Big thank you!
Another great video, all your videos are 5 star. Very informative , clear and to the point. You are the go to person when someone is serious about getting the right info !
I'm quite glad that here in Europe we mostly use tiles or slates, not shingles. Such roofing can still fail (I've had a repair done recently to my 60-year old tile roof), but their life expectancy is far, far longer than shingles!
I'd consider using shingles for a garden shed, but not a house!
#4 has to be the most common, I remember once when I was fixing a Client's ceiling, I noticed Brown spots where water was coming in, & when I offered them the opportunity to fix it, they said NO & it only got worst until they had a Giant Hole in their ceiling.👷🏿♂️
Yep, gets overlooked so often, W. Sometimes it’s HVAC in the attic. A lot of times its roof issues though.
I find that no one wants to actually do a roof repair, in fact if you mention to a potential contractor that you think it’s just a repair, many times they won’t even call you back. It seems like they always immediately want to jump to the whole roof needs to be replaced. Maybe it does in many cases but it just seems like the guys just want the big bucks of a new roof job rather than the aggravation and small bucks of a repair-it’s very frustrating
Baker will, chirael! It’s one if the reasons I partnered with them. I bet we’ll show a couple before too long!
@@TheHonestCarpenter awesome, thanks for making all your great videos 😊🙏
All I wanted was a different color of shingle and he never even gave me a quote.
To me in the UK it seems crazy to fit shingles that are only lasting 20 years in some cases before replacement. Concrete or clay will last 50-70 years and slate around 90, and even then it's nail replacement and you can re-use the slates if they were good ones. You would think with plenty of wood around you could in the USA have roofs that support better roofing matierals than these 'shingles', which aren't really shingles but small patches of asphalt. Guys I think you are being had! If you look round the rest of the world other developed countries are using much better roofing systems which don't leak and fail after 20 years. While the USA leads the world on many things, roofing is not one of them!
It seems crazy because it is crazy and in many cases these shingles last much less than 20 years.
what a coincidence , that you are doing a video on roofs and leaks in roofs , , , i went for a walk to day , down to our Mall here in my city in Canada , we are getting a lot of warm weather now and a lot of our snow and ice is disappearing/melting fast , , , in the Mall they had about a twenty foot section roped-off and three pails on the floor catching water dripping from the roof , and the yellow stain you showed of water coming through the ceiling looked exactly the same size and color on our Mall ceiling . 😉 👍
Asphalt shinglea are a waste of time and money. Especially in windy climates.
Great video! As a home inspector I see staining all the time. A moisture meter is a great tool to identify new and old leaks. The staining may feel dry to the touch but a moisture meter can pick up an active leak even if it feels dry.
What is a good type/brand of moisture meter?
Thanks in advance
Lack of venting is the fastest way to shorten the life of a roof. I have replaced 100s of roofs and I can see quickly a roof that has no vents
Thank you Ethan and Keith!
I had a major fail on our summer house, the OSB has rotted due to low quality roofing felt and no amount of felt repair had prepared it for a wet winter (UK). I replaced over 400 sqft of roofing felt, cut out the compromised OSB and used 12 panels at 1220x2440mm or 4x8ft which when lifting on to a pitch roof on you own if not much fun.. then came the glass fibre insulation that has soak up the water ingress and the bugs were happily living in. All of that was removed for plastic insulation that was made from recycled bottles, much nicer to handle and water replant and bug resistant.
I added extra treated timers to add extra strength to beams impacted, treatment and waterproofing to the joists.
In addition every new section of OSB was screwed into place to avoid nail pop, on the panels that had survived I screwed the down and removed the nails.... yes it is more expensive but that summer house was only 12 years old and about to cave in.
Now I have a 25 year lifetime on the glass fibre reinforced felt I used, I have used bitumen adhesive and so, so many clout nails the overlaps exceed the minimum by 10mm and the roof is held down by screws..
Do it right, do it once... construction teams and their nail guns, yeas they are quick but 12 years down the line it needs ripping apart.
Don't get me wrong... I love a nail gun the facial boards were attached with one and then the already waterproof treated wood was treated again.
Great video and an education for the non roofer individual.
Great video, Ethan. Thanks.
Another amazing content. I truly appreciate your expertise and knowledge. Can't wait for your next vlog.
Great to hear you are from the great state NC
Awesome video thanks for sharing. Please try to do a video on replacing the old roof with a new metal roof. Stay well & safe.
I’m fortunate that I live in a condo complex. If I notice any roofing problems, I only have to make 1 call & the problem is taken care of. Usually within 24 - 48 hrs. I have to make that call a couple of times so far in the last 7 years. You’re correct that old stains aren’t a problem. Just have to do a regular seasonal check to see if the stain has gotten bigger or travelled a further distance.
Will be watching for these trouble spots.
Love your videos, informative , do you have a video on how to measure and cut mitres, I’m not sure how to measure properly.
Regards
Mark.
Great, educational vid.
Excellent. Thank you.
I'm heading outside, right now, to check my roof.
Thanks for watching, Terry! 😄
Have always found roofing in the USA to be interesting, everyone seems to have shingles and deviation from this is when a house is on the higher end (look must admit it’s not something I’ve spent many hours checking stats over, just observation). In Australia the norm is either steel (Colourbond) or tile made of clay/terracotta/concrete, possibly due to bushfire rating requirements in so much of the country. But these types of roofing seem more durable than shingles?
I’m surprised most homes in the USA aren’t tiled too. As for tiled roofing there isn’t much info about how to find a roof leak online.
I am getting estimates and roofers say the tile is too heavy and the city codes won’t always clay tile on older homes
@@somedude626 interesting 🤔 perhaps some variation in the structural side of the roof that means they can’t bear that load. Can’t say AUS has trouble with roofs being too heavy
@@somedude626 Are you talking about the USA?
@@AshleighKnott2891 if a roof can handle human load, why not tiles? I’ve wondering about the real reasons.
Very useful video. Also nice and succinct. As much as I dislike it guess who is going into the attic tomorrow? Thanks. An excellent video.
Careful up there, Kersi! 👍😁
Thank you, Ethan!
You’re welcome, John!
🤗 THANKS ETHAN…FOR SHARING THIS STORY AND GIVING PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET AN OBJECTIVE VIEW
HELPING THEM HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF PROBLEMS…WHEN THEY ARE IN THE SITUATION…AND DON’T KNOW WHO TO TRUST 😍😍😍
Thank you for watching and supporting, Budget! 😄
Thanks this very informative, the issue is finding a trustworthy roofer. If you can make a video on the new types of roofing that is not affected by the weather and has much longer life
Good video! I should make a similar video on gutters
here in UK we have slate tiles . my roof been on 60yrs. we get some slate that will move a bit . but put it back in place and secure.
why do roofs use cheap OSB sheets for covering? why not something that will be less likely to absorb water and fall apart
because its cheap.
Thanks- roof and foundation are big time repairs or replacement items for homeowners. How do we maintain and keep ground level eye on 2 story homes? Should we get inspected how often for a new home? Closed on 12/16/21. Builder practically slapped together our house and had lots of rain - 4-5 weeks daily on framing and subfloors which turned all wood brown/gray. They used white plastic fabric like material Vs typical black kind before installing shingles. Short from getting a drone to fly- what are our options to check? PS- we have foaming insulation in attic so can’t see rafters after rain for leaks and I know foam can get heavy with water.. any advice would be appreciated … thanks as always! 👍
Great information. Any insight regarding clay tile roofs?
We’ll try to cover those, Philip. Baker has a world class tile roof expert!
I’ve never seen shingle curling. I live in western North Carolina. Nail pops and flashing issues seem to be the most common problems, with cracking and deterioration eventually. Gutter clogs also cause issues with roof decking rot around the edges. Metal roofs are the way to go, in my opinion. Shingles put sediment in the gutters and surrounding environment, fail often, add a lot of weight to the roof (especially when there are multiple layers), and have to be thrown away when worn out (instead of recycled). Also, they are attached with non ring shank nails that pop up easily (I understand this is done to ease removal when that time comes).
You can also always call your insurance company and I will send a license adjuster to your home just make sure that they are very thorough with there inspection and they're always more than happy to meet with your contractor to discuss anything
Ethan great tips. Thanks.
Thanks, Paul!
Ethan what does Baker think about metal roofs?
Since they went to fiberglass shingles , they don't curl up like asphalt shingles did. Don't rely on curling , sometimes a roof looks good from the ground, but when you get on the roof you will see the cracking.
Any plans to do a video on stained shingles, causes, prevention and cleaning? You know the ones that look like dark streaks going down the shingles.
I definitely want to tackle algae, Michael. It’s a surprisingly complicated topic, so I didn’t get into it yet here.
@@TheHonestCarpenter lol literally a few hrs before you wrote this yesterday, I was staring at a large patch of algae on my aging asphalt shingles while cleaning my gutters and power-washing the house and wondered what to/not to do. But also the whole roof is very dark and discolored (typical Florida problems).
Are ceramic roofing tiles a thing in the 'states or does everyone there use what we would call "shed tiles"?
Thanks!, Great information for the service mode. I followed your instructions to enter & change settings in the service menu on a Sony KDF-50E2000 but when I got to the panel service section & set the pattern to one (1) then pressed the jump button the tv didn't do as yours did in the video even though I followed your instructions as shown & verbally explained. Is there any contact phone, email etc. to contact you in which you can guide me through this? Thanks in advance for your expertise, time & help.
Phony insurance claims of hail damage is driving up the cost of ALL homeowners premiums. Here in Ohio, we simply don't get the large hailstones very often at all, but to hear some of these local roofing companies, EVERYONE has storm damage and DESERVES a "Free Roof." I have been in the business for 35 years and have only seen TRUE hail damage twice.
Do roof treatments like Roof Maxx extend the life of shingles at all?
Hi, I live in the UK and the majority of roofs including mine are tiles. I have one tile that is broken, and I intend to replace it as soon as I get the new one that I have ordered. I am seventy-one years old, and I do not want to be on the roof n ever mind replacing a lot of tiles, I would like any information ab out tiles that I can get. I had closed cell foam put into the loft (roof space) and as the membrane is showing singes of failure the foam has sealed any gaps where rain could penetrate the broken tile is on the first row and I will not have to get on the roof and I will be taking a tin of foam to seal up any problems. As I said, any information would be helpful.
I don’t have an attic but number 4 happened to me last year. Since I couldn’t see the underside of the roof, it was getting bad without my knowledge. After a storm destroyed some flashing I finally noticed… via water leak
Strangely it didn’t come in where expected. It came in around the destroyed bathroom vent flashing but not into the bathroom. It came down to the first floor. Water always takes the path of least resistance
Sorry to hear that Patrick. But you’re right, there’s no telling where it’ll end up!
@@TheHonestCarpenter luckily because of the storm damage (it caused a lot of damage to many people on my neighborhood), my insurance covered it
Where about are you from in NC?
For some unknown reason, I can't sharpen a crosscut hand saw. Is there someone you know that I could send me saws to have the one I botched corrected and the others sharpened when needed. I live in Denver. Thank you.
Wind lift is usually the culprit when I do a repair or new roof.
I totally need a new roof
Walking on old roof accelerates problems. Step on a nail pop and now you have a puncture. Granular losses from walking. Shingle shift/rip from walking on.
Absolutely, Turbo. I tell people to stay off their roofs, especially in summer when the shingles are so heated up and loose
Why do you even use shingles if they fail so regularly, we use clay tiles and they last almost forever. Or sheet metal roofing in some cases
I don't get why the U.S.A seems to only use shingles, why not colourbond steel, or tiles made of fired clay or terracotta , or other styles that can last many many decades
what about other kinds of roofs?
Going to tackle a lot of different ones soon, Kate!
Excellent. Metal roofing is proliferating in my area. Do you have any experience/knowledge that would be worth sharing on that subject? It’s difficult to tell what’s fact and what’s shady when it comes to metal roofing. Lots of Amish crews are installing it as well as conventional contractors. I had an an acquaintance whose home caught fire near the eaves and burned. The fire inspector determined that the metal roof actually aided in the fast spread of the fire as the fire fighters had difficulty accessing the fire to extinguish it. The home was destroyed. Just curious.
Thanks Mac! Baker has TONS of metal roofing experience, and their techniques and training are too notch. I know for a fact we’ll get into some application and theory vids.
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It makes you wonder why on earth would anybody choose to use such shingles, as the are not really fit for purpose and have many parts of likely failure, like nail pops and are likely to need replacing within the first 15yrs. In the UK I've never seen a shingle roof on a house, they are all mostly contrete tiles or slate and generally last 60+ years without any problems or need for maintenence. Why use a shoddy product like asphalt when concrete tiles or artificial or real slate is not that expensive, a bit of a false economy thinks me. P.S. I'm not a roofer, but do live in a 70year old house with concrete-type-tiles covering the roof, that have never given us problems.
My first question is why are these these tar shingles so predominant in the USA? Must be fairly cheap - but at what cost? Why not put clay roof tiles on your roof and be done with it? They last in Europe for 50 - 80 years. Pay once for quality and forget the roof altogether for pretty much the rest of your life.
I've only done one roof. I used #30 tar paper since to me it is the tar paper that protects the home. The shingles are only there to protect the tar paper from the sun. Just my way of doing it
Tar paper is really amazing, Billy. It’ll hold up a surprisingly long time in a lot of conditions. And shingles provide a lot of surface protection for it.
@@TheHonestCarpenter . I'm no carpenter but I figured the tar paper is the protection from rain so i went with the thicker one. Obviously without shingles the paper would dry and be useless after a few hot summers so the shingles are basically tar paper protection. Again this is just a non carpenter opinion. It was done in 1990 and I don't own the home anymore but I bet that 30# is still protecting that home. Learning to flash the skylights and chimney was my greatest challenge. Did solar for 15 years so I understand roofing somewhat. No more roof trips being older now. I love your sub.
Why not synthetic felt?
From the point of view of a Central European who has to contend with an unbelievable number of official regulations in my country, that seems incredible to my - if this happens here, you will run into existencial problems. Just as an example: The use of asphalt shingles as a material for covering roofs has not existed here since the late 1980s. Only shaped blocks made of concrete or sheet metal are permitted.
I envy you Americans for being allowed to work so efficiently and cheaply. We have almost no leeway here. Not to mention the topic of "airtightness" and "heat insulation" and "vapour barriers / vapor retarders".
Wow, that's crazy. Metal roofs for residential didn't really show up at all in my area until maybe 10 years ago. And even then, only on higher end construction and is often used as an accent detail along with shingles.
I wonder if there is a downside in that without these obvious signs of failure of a shingle roof, by the time you realize a metal roof is bad you have massive structural damage?
@@chrisbrannan3784 As far as I know metal roofs have pretty much no down sides other than cost. As for seeing when they need to be replaced, in my experience, they will usually develop some REALLY obvious rust long before they fail.
@@dillonvandergriff4124 Are they louder than shingles when it rains?
@@chrisbrannan3784 When it rains, the sheet metal shingles can be very noisy. Relatively new on the market are shingles that are reinforced with plastic fibers and last even longer. An advantage is that they are available in all colors.
If water enters through the roof covering, then you are fully liable for any damage. This can go so far that you have to repair all the damage at your own expense and end up losing your license to work.
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What about flat roofs? This was just for shingle roofs.
I’ll get to them ODST…that roofing system is so different
We have something like a phrase here in Austria: A roof with 45 Degrees is built for 45 Years. A roof with 20 Degrees is built for 20 Years. A flat roof with 0 Degrees is built for ... "
The photo of the guy with a power nailer is a nono on roofs. I would never hire a roofer that uses nail guns.
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You weren't kidding when you said these videos didn't get that much views
I know, I thought such helpful info would get more!
Why have a roofer address nail pops when you can just do it yourse…AAAAAHHHHhhhhhhhh!!
My uncle owns his home but is only making $800.00 a month on disability. Who can he contact to help him get it fixed? Does anyone do financing? Not sure if there are any assistance programs that he might be able to contact and get some help. Thank you for any info!
What state is your uncle in?
@@reeda6376 He lives in the Dayton Ohio area
I would start at his local family and children services and ask them if they know of anyone who helps the disabled repair their home. Here we have an agency that gives money twice a year for heat and electricity. They start with the elderly, then disabled, and then others that are in poverty until the money runs out. I’m sure they could tell you something. Where I live we have local Facebook groups and people ask for help or information in the groups. I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful but try these things. Good luck 👍🏼
@@reeda6376 thank you for the information! God bless you!
US - American Roofs looks so amateurish - how easy it can be demolished
everything in 'murica is built for speed and cost, because people know that when the blax move in, then they will move out.
I think you need to stick to carpentry and tools. That's why I subscribed. I'm not interested in maintenance issues.