Knee and the team that created the first lever got a lot of feedback that the users are getting a lot of random jumps on the first knee lever which is the Rox one. They fixed that with this lever.
In my experience, the shaft and shaft cover didn't seem to fit perfectly, causing noise whenever I moved the stick. I fixed this by carefully wrapping the shaft with a thin layer of paper and securing it with some tape. It worked perfectly! One great thing about the clear shaft covers is that they allow you to customize the look by adding artwork directly to the shaft. You should definitely try it out!
The plate for the switches is called a gate. The Knee Lever has a square gate that helps you to have more accurate diagonals. Most Korean lever have no gates or some call it circle gate and it's much harder to input diagonals if you're new to using a fightstick.
If I remember correctly, the V1 had some QC issues when it came to the rubber/actuator. I had to get a new actuator/rubber and I believe the switches were micron and not gersung a3s. I had the v1 since it came out and ive gotten used to it but the diagonals really screwed me when it came to certain inputs. As for the neo lever, it feels 100 times better than the v1, it has 3 regular gersung a3's and a slightly different a3 for the up direction which I think requires more force and ive noticed I dont get the occasional mis input jump when doing combos.
Thank you for this review. I’m building a ridiculous cross up at the moment. I’m tired of throwing Sanwa, and Seimitsu joysticks into everything I build. I installed a Crown 309mj into my Hori Rap 3 recently and it’s great. After watching this I’m going to stick with the 309. Thank you 🙏🏻
you convinced me! Tekken 8 Is my first fighting game, and I really wanna learn on stick from the get go, I settled on the alpha N, but after this video I'm going with the knee neo with different grommets, thank you!
I think the reason it feels slightly more tense than the violet grommet is because of the white acetyl ring on the Knee (and all DX) levers, whereas the normal MJ levers etc have molded plastic inner rings, which aren't as wide and so they exert less tension on the grommet from inside. Other than that I'm pretty sure it's just a rebranded violet 30 tension grommet.
@@imortalXsoul Ah ok, thanks for the info. The only problem I've had with 309Mjs is occasionally uneven switch spacing. The Knee lever I'm guessing takes care of that problem?
“I’m not a Mishima player, I’m not a stick player” perfectly executes everything with minimal hand movement 😂. I had a 309 and it was really nice but due to thumb problems I had to permanently move to lever less, would’ve been cool af to have a knee pro lever, wavedashing was easier for me on lever also 😢
@heroicsquirrel3195 I love comments like this because it shows that hitboxes are more than just "cheatboxes". People like you are able to still enjoy a genre they love with the accessibility it provides. That's dope man
@heroicsquirrel3195 idk if you play on console or on pc, but if you play on pc you can make some of your other buttons be analog stick inputs which can help you with wavedashing and electrics
Very nice video. I had this lever few days ago and I would say it’s great but the feeling of the restrictor gate is annoying so i had to remove and play without it and it felt much better for me imo.
i don't understand why but no matter which grommet i put on this lever it feels the same, i tried from 30 to 55 grommet and it still feels as light as the original grommet
I have the Victrix V1 that lacks extra space for thick levers when closing the latch bottom. IST Alpha N fits perfectly, however the Neo has the restrictor. Can i use the lever without the restrictor?
as far as i know knee uses this as opposed to the limited edition ones or even the premium. the only way i remember this is that PHIDX mentioned this one time during one of his videos and knee currently use the this regular knee lever neo. honestly this is an excellent stick but personally its a hit or miss for me since i'm more used with the helpme and dongpal 309 variants, oh and i also like the capsule top
@@imortalXsoul i'd probably consider this over the old knee lever as well just because of the capsule top and probably sand it down a bit for the feel in the hands also this is the only korean lever that i know that has a spin to it even a little which probably explains the ease of movement to qcf moves or even wavedashes
@zoran6850 They don't function the same because they use different materials. The premium edition compresses the grommets more iirc - docs.google.com/document/d/1XnYAH8RWx1az-Y3cP2ZfMJfbh5t1-Iy1JPSRQhZ7iAA/edit
Maybe one day I shall try and get good with a fight stick. The lever looks pretty nice tbh and it performs good from looks of it too so that might be on my list for the future 👀 nice review 🙌👊
I have a hard time to hit clean diagonals with this lever after coming from a JLF. Is this normal? I have to hit the db very hard for it to register and it messes up a lot of my KBD. I can't KBD anymore I guess, because of this. The inputs are good, but everytime I have to hit two inputs at the same time, it's very hard compared to the JLF... I don't understand.
@@imortalXsoul OK thanks. I'm trying. Maybe it's the rubber tension that is hard to get used to? I don't want it to be the stick, just me that have a hard time. It was so light with the JLF, and now I can't consistenly get my inputs, especially DB.
@@Cazarace Yeah the tension is definitely tougher than stock JLF. You can get super light tension as well but then you need to control the spring back to neutral a bit more yourself. So find the sweet spot. Personally I like the IST violet 32A (lighter than this knee lever) or ASI 45A. Light medium 😁
Hi 👋, is this lever rocking a CircleSquare Gate just like the ShinSun Korean lever? And if it does that means that the only difference between the two is the groomet and the actuator size? 🤔 Also why there's a smaller hinge? And what position should we place this lever having a smaller hinge.
None of the hinges are smaller. The switch spacing and switch plate directions compensate for P1 and P2 motions as well as jump/up. You'll notice in a lot of levers the switches aren't all symmetrically mounted. Also the knee lever has a squircle collar, the shinsun lever and neo are nothing alike
only thing to critisize is that the lever is REALLY "deep" in most sticks it probably wont fit, is there a like formfactor to know in which sticks it fits? also nice stick what is it ur using?
This stick actually fits most of the “premium” arcade sticks. IST Mall has a compatibility list. Its a good thing to check to see if your stick can fit it. This fit in my Rap4 as well as the V1 did
@@kickass2733 ah nice that you mention it. bought a victrix pro fs and didnt wanna waste my used rap 4 and the list said only rap 4 kai so i wasnt sure
@@kickass2733 didnt knew that also thanks. now i buy the knee lever neo and new buttons. for them do you have any recommendations on good buttons? thought of gamer fingers but they arent really there anymore. also probably break everything when trying to mod since i never done that
So do you generally play on lever less controller? Thinking of getting this Neo when I see it in stock. Also been thinking of going lever less. It seems execution is easier on lever less. It seems. Not sure.
@@imortalXsoul Oh hey thanks! Kinda of figured. Being able to do certain combos on the right side still takes tons of time so I would imagine those buttons on the left will take time as well.
ive been searching all over the internet for my particular issue but i cant seem to find any answers but do you perhaps have any issues with the lever unscrewing itself? i got my knee lever neo a couple months back but its been unscrewing itself constantly while im mid match. its happened so much that im considering gluing the lever so that it wont unscrew but i ultimately dont want to do that. do you happen to have any suggestions on what i can do to fix the issue? ive also been considering just buying another one
Rocking a knee neo right now and I have the V7 coming in from IST. Some kind of comparison video would be amazing. These are the 2 premier k levers rn and no one has compared them, you'd have a very unique video @imortalXsoul
so? after In-Depth Reviews, its difficult to consider, which one is the best. neo good diagonals - than its good for mishimas, but in v6 you sad, thats it for mishimas. So can someone just sum it up, what is better and why neo or v6/v7? is neo spinning? iv v6/v7 is better for mishimas, then neo is better for something else, am i wrong?
Can u Tell me how long did it take for you to get it, from the Day of order? I am also from EU and would like to know aprox.when to expect it. Sorry for the wierd comment But I did not find other way to contact u. Cheers mate 😊
about 6 days from IST MALL, but they’ve been experiencing a surge of orders since tekken 8, i made another order for the Sanjuks V6 and V7 with other parts and have been waiting for dispatch since 26th March. They are usually very fast though
@@imortalXsoul Now since items Have been dispatched, I wanted to mention...let us know how do you feel about Sanjuks v6 and v7, since they are much more expensive compared to Knee lever. Stay good brother 👊
Debating to get this and the Sanjuks v6, but have you tried using the Kneeo lever without the gate it comes with? Is it viable and is it just less restrictive?
Nice video on the lever but installing it in the crossup is funny. The shortcut options available for movement & execution make the lever a moot point imo. I installed an ASI Golden Lever into the Alpha Crossup from their kickstarter. Once I learned all of the shortcuts the lever became a speed barrier and introduced overhead and caused random execution errors. Swapping it out for an Odin V2 drop in converted it into an all button leverless build I’ve been using to this day. Movement is effortless and execution errors are a thing of the past.
That’s subjective, you’re not forced to use the extra direction buttons and sounds like user error but I could be wrong. I also prefer this over the golden lever so again, very subjective 🫡
Knee and the team that created the first lever got a lot of feedback that the users are getting a lot of random jumps on the first knee lever which is the Rox one. They fixed that with this lever.
Thanks for the review! I've been thinking about picking this up! I still have the original IST Knee lever. :)
You should! Definitely much more consistent than the V1 in my experience
In my experience, the shaft and shaft cover didn't seem to fit perfectly, causing noise whenever I moved the stick. I fixed this by carefully wrapping the shaft with a thin layer of paper and securing it with some tape. It worked perfectly!
One great thing about the clear shaft covers is that they allow you to customize the look by adding artwork directly to the shaft. You should definitely try it out!
Looks extra clean, nice review man
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The plate for the switches is called a gate. The Knee Lever has a square gate that helps you to have more accurate diagonals. Most Korean lever have no gates or some call it circle gate and it's much harder to input diagonals if you're new to using a fightstick.
the body has a circle gate, and the switch gate has a squircle… strange
Hello Mr. KirbyGG
that wavedash into "i'm not a stick player" is crazy 💀
If I remember correctly, the V1 had some QC issues when it came to the rubber/actuator. I had to get a new actuator/rubber and I believe the switches were micron and not gersung a3s. I had the v1 since it came out and ive gotten used to it but the diagonals really screwed me when it came to certain inputs. As for the neo lever, it feels 100 times better than the v1, it has 3 regular gersung a3's and a slightly different a3 for the up direction which I think requires more force and ive noticed I dont get the occasional mis input jump when doing combos.
absolutely correct, same here 🫠 V1 is good but neo is better
Thank you for this review. I’m building a ridiculous cross up at the moment. I’m tired of throwing Sanwa, and Seimitsu joysticks into everything I build. I installed a Crown 309mj into my Hori Rap 3 recently and it’s great. After watching this I’m going to stick with the 309. Thank you 🙏🏻
Excellent video, thank you!
you convinced me! Tekken 8 Is my first fighting game, and I really wanna learn on stick from the get go, I settled on the alpha N, but after this video I'm going with the knee neo with different grommets, thank you!
Alpha N is a great choice too!
@@imortalXsoul tbh, I'm probably gonna end with both. arcade stick and modding seems to be a deep rabbit hole I am jumping into haha
@@Setliin i’m already far far into it 😵💫😵💫😵💫
@@imortalXsoul thanks for the answer! you def gained my sub since I'm a FGC noob :D
That frost surface on the Cross up looks crazy. I'm jealous.
👀👀👀
@@imortalXsoulfrom where/what website you built that cross up ?!
@@3li_alzadjali i ordered the parts from various and built it myself
I think the reason it feels slightly more tense than the violet grommet is because of the white acetyl ring on the Knee (and all DX) levers, whereas the normal MJ levers etc have molded plastic inner rings, which aren't as wide and so they exert less tension on the grommet from inside. Other than that I'm pretty sure it's just a rebranded violet 30 tension grommet.
I read that the tension is actually 32ST and not 30ST, so that could be the reason why
@@imortalXsoul Ah ok, thanks for the info. The only problem I've had with 309Mjs is occasionally uneven switch spacing. The Knee lever I'm guessing takes care of that problem?
@@audiosmurf switches felt consistent for me yeah
“I’m not a Mishima player, I’m not a stick player” perfectly executes everything with minimal hand movement 😂. I had a 309 and it was really nice but due to thumb problems I had to permanently move to lever less, would’ve been cool af to have a knee pro lever, wavedashing was easier for me on lever also 😢
🤣🤣🤣 yeah i prefer leverless but not for mishimas, crossup is better
@@imortalXsoul I would’ve bought a crossup had my thumbs not given out, seems really cool and versatile
@heroicsquirrel3195 I love comments like this because it shows that hitboxes are more than just "cheatboxes". People like you are able to still enjoy a genre they love with the accessibility it provides. That's dope man
@@sergiok6660 exactly, id literally be screwed otherwise , still cant wavedash how i want but at least im playing.
@heroicsquirrel3195 idk if you play on console or on pc, but if you play on pc you can make some of your other buttons be analog stick inputs which can help you with wavedashing and electrics
Very nice video. I had this lever few days ago and I would say it’s great but the feeling of the restrictor gate is annoying so i had to remove and play without it and it felt much better for me imo.
what do you mean you removed the gate? it's built into the housing unless you mean the switch plate?
Yeah i meant the plastic switch plate . My Lever should be okay without it, right?
i don't understand why but no matter which grommet i put on this lever it feels the same, i tried from 30 to 55 grommet and it still feels as light as the original grommet
Oh nice, the lever I use. I actually switched from the v1 because my diagonals weren't clean enough as well. Plus the square gate felt nice
yeah the neo def has better diagonals or easier to find at least
Awesome review! Just bought this lever for my new qanba obsidian 2. Do you have any 30mm buttons you'd recommend?
Gamer Finger or Enth KRM
Did you manage to fit the lever into your Obsidian 2?
“Im not stick playah” lol bro youve been grafted in then because that was great play, would you recommend this or the v6? i play sf6 and t8
this is the neo! yes, i recommend the neo. One of the easier levers for beginners to K lever
@@imortalXsoul im sorry bud i meant would you recommend the neo or sanjuks v6 for a t8 or sf6 player, thanks for the reply
@@jcramirez77 V6 is better, Neo is easier to use
Well, that is the most recent model of the knee, where can I buy it.
Very much enjoying your review video. Any chance of a review of Crown Shinsun?
Hmmm probably not! Sorry :(
I have the Victrix V1 that lacks extra space for thick levers when closing the latch bottom.
IST Alpha N fits perfectly, however the Neo has the restrictor. Can i use the lever without the restrictor?
First time here. Those eyes making me feel some type of way, but yes, good review. I switched to the 25 rubber grommet, and I prefer it.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The restrictor is circular or square.
as far as i know knee uses this as opposed to the limited edition ones or even the premium. the only way i remember this is that PHIDX mentioned this one time during one of his videos and knee currently use the this regular knee lever neo. honestly this is an excellent stick but personally its a hit or miss for me since i'm more used with the helpme and dongpal 309 variants, oh and i also like the capsule top
yeah he does use this variant. I prefer this over any other 309 variant but the new help me is great too
@@imortalXsoul i'd probably consider this over the old knee lever as well just because of the capsule top and probably sand it down a bit for the feel in the hands also this is the only korean lever that i know that has a spin to it even a little which probably explains the ease of movement to qcf moves or even wavedashes
@zoran6850 They don't function the same because they use different materials. The premium edition compresses the grommets more iirc - docs.google.com/document/d/1XnYAH8RWx1az-Y3cP2ZfMJfbh5t1-Iy1JPSRQhZ7iAA/edit
Maybe one day I shall try and get good with a fight stick. The lever looks pretty nice tbh and it performs good from looks of it too so that might be on my list for the future 👀 nice review 🙌👊
Thanks bro!
Love the videos brother. Would you consider doing a review on the Sanjuks v7? I haven’t seen one
Yes, when it arrives :)
I have a hard time to hit clean diagonals with this lever after coming from a JLF. Is this normal? I have to hit the db very hard for it to register and it messes up a lot of my KBD. I can't KBD anymore I guess, because of this. The inputs are good, but everytime I have to hit two inputs at the same time, it's very hard compared to the JLF... I don't understand.
Yes, JLF gate is very obvious, keep practicing and don’t rely on the “gate” as much. Feel the switches
@@imortalXsoul OK thanks. I'm trying. Maybe it's the rubber tension that is hard to get used to? I don't want it to be the stick, just me that have a hard time. It was so light with the JLF, and now I can't consistenly get my inputs, especially DB.
@@Cazarace Yeah the tension is definitely tougher than stock JLF. You can get super light tension as well but then you need to control the spring back to neutral a bit more yourself. So find the sweet spot. Personally I like the IST violet 32A (lighter than this knee lever) or ASI 45A. Light medium 😁
Hi 👋, is this lever rocking a CircleSquare Gate just like the ShinSun Korean lever? And if it does that means that the only difference between the two is the groomet and the actuator size? 🤔 Also why there's a smaller hinge? And what position should we place this lever having a smaller hinge.
None of the hinges are smaller. The switch spacing and switch plate directions compensate for P1 and P2 motions as well as jump/up. You'll notice in a lot of levers the switches aren't all symmetrically mounted. Also the knee lever has a squircle collar, the shinsun lever and neo are nothing alike
@@imortalXsoul Thanks 👍
If you’ve tried the crown NEW HELPME, would you recommend the knee lever over the new helpme?
Im using the new help me right now and my knee neo is coming in tommorow or the next day ill get back to you from a mishima user standpoint 😊
I don’t have it unfortunately!
@@BikerMiceOne awesome 👍🏼 thanks 😝
Yeah im curious too
@@BikerMiceOne Now that you've had some time with both, curious about your verdict from a Mishima POV.
Is the stock battop removable? Nice review. 🔥🔥🔥
@@geeenriquez1124 yup
Where did you get this kind of Cross-Up from? It doesn't seem to be HitBox's model but I don't mind the simple design
@@nugzmedallion8929 I built it myself
@@imortalXsoul Oh damn! Very cool, I like it.
BRO WHO GOT YOU SMILING LIKE THAT
😂😂
only thing to critisize is that the lever is REALLY "deep" in most sticks it probably wont fit, is there a like formfactor to know in which sticks it fits? also nice stick what is it ur using?
@@cloud4876 thank you, it’s custom! I built it myself. Also yea there are compatibility lists online
This stick actually fits most of the “premium” arcade sticks. IST Mall has a compatibility list. Its a good thing to check to see if your stick can fit it. This fit in my Rap4 as well as the V1 did
@@kickass2733 ah nice that you mention it. bought a victrix pro fs and didnt wanna waste my used rap 4 and the list said only rap 4 kai so i wasnt sure
@@cloud4876 the rap 4 and rap 4 Kai are the exact same casing. Only difference being the lever is a little more spaced out from the buttons on the Kai
@@kickass2733 didnt knew that also thanks. now i buy the knee lever neo and new buttons. for them do you have any recommendations on good buttons? thought of gamer fingers but they arent really there anymore. also probably break everything when trying to mod since i never done that
Hi! You mentioned the lever has a different switch, which way you recommend installing it as the down or up input?
Or which way you installed it?
it labelled on the back which way the lever is supposed to be installed
@@imortalXsoul thanks :)
So do you generally play on lever less controller? Thinking of getting this Neo when I see it in stock. Also been thinking of going lever less. It seems execution is easier on lever less. It seems. Not sure.
Yes I play on leverless, don't expect for an execution boost straight away. Still takes dedication and practice!
@@imortalXsoul Oh hey thanks! Kinda of figured. Being able to do certain combos on the right side still takes tons of time so I would imagine those buttons on the left will take time as well.
Where did you buy that frost edge? Its looks soo sexy
eternal rival
Brother before installing
Which side do we need the lever up on stick ?
There is one zippi small and other 3 are bigger
it’s labelled
What's the shaft size of the Knee Lever Neo?
Ay finally
👀👀
ive been searching all over the internet for my particular issue but i cant seem to find any answers but do you perhaps have any issues with the lever unscrewing itself? i got my knee lever neo a couple months back but its been unscrewing itself constantly while im mid match. its happened so much that im considering gluing the lever so that it wont unscrew but i ultimately dont want to do that. do you happen to have any suggestions on what i can do to fix the issue? ive also been considering just buying another one
@@Tk_siheung What part is unscrewing itself
@@imortalXsoul the top unscrews from the shaft
@@Tk_siheung use a flathead screwdriver on the bottom of the shaft to tighten the battop. Screw the bottom to the opposite direction to the top 🫡
It's a little off-topic, but what kind of buttons did you use on your fightstick?
Gamerfinger
@@imortalXsoul Sorry.I expressed myself badly, I was talking about the brand
@@djhondo3103 the brand is called gamerfinger
Can you review your custom box, i want to make one like this.
I dont feel like taking everything apart but maybe in the future
i hope you'll review the sanjuks v6/v7
Indeed
Rocking a knee neo right now and I have the V7 coming in from IST. Some kind of comparison video would be amazing. These are the 2 premier k levers rn and no one has compared them, you'd have a very unique video @imortalXsoul
Do you also play Street Fighter with Korean Sticks?
No, DS5
@@imortalXsoul thank you champ
bruh which lighter grommet do you recommend purple or white ?
definitely purple
so? after In-Depth Reviews, its difficult to consider, which one is the best. neo good diagonals - than its good for mishimas, but in v6 you sad, thats it for mishimas. So can someone just sum it up, what is better and why neo or v6/v7? is neo spinning? iv v6/v7 is better for mishimas, then neo is better for something else, am i wrong?
They’re both good for mishima but neo is easier to pick up and use. Neo spins, V6 doesn’t
@@imortalXsoul thanks, man. i should buy neo then.
What case do you use?
eternal rival s-tier
@imortalXsoul Thanks for ur quick response🙏
Is it true that the Lever is very loose in neutral
@@scermss No
Can u Tell me how long did it take for you to get it, from the Day of order? I am also from EU and would like to know aprox.when to expect it. Sorry for the wierd comment But I did not find other way to contact u. Cheers mate 😊
about 6 days from IST MALL, but they’ve been experiencing a surge of orders since tekken 8, i made another order for the Sanjuks V6 and V7 with other parts and have been waiting for dispatch since 26th March. They are usually very fast though
@@imortalXsoul Now since items Have been dispatched, I wanted to mention...let us know how do you feel about Sanjuks v6 and v7, since they are much more expensive compared to Knee lever. Stay good brother 👊
I'll love to have this but I been on pad forever. It could take a while to adjust. I also do mess with your music🔥🔥
thank you! i only play stick for fun, i main leverless now from pad!
May i ask what brand that case is?
eternal rival made it!
Would it fit on gamesir c2 arcade stick?
No idea, you'd need to look up compatibility
Does it fit in victrix pro fs ?
Yes , mine fits perfectly
What stick are you using?
custom built
@@imortalXsoul Where can I get the same stick housing?
Sanjuks v7 vs knee lever neo ?
@@halimodz5911 They’re completely different. Neo easier to pick up and use straight away
Thank you bro
Is there shaft spin?
@@inksword6029 Yes
does it spin or is it steady?
@@kite9416 Neo has spin
what are ur buttons?
@@Erico-y1e Gamer Finger
@@imortalXsoul thanks so muchh!
is there a reason why you use a crossup i thought they was banned for TWT
i use leverless. This is just for fun
They say it's the best, right?very expensive
is this lever spins?
not massively
are those eyes natural?
yes
Debating to get this and the Sanjuks v6, but have you tried using the Kneeo lever without the gate it comes with? Is it viable and is it just less restrictive?
Nah i didnt try it, but I prefer sanjuks V7 over all of them. I have sanjuks v6 and v7 too
Nice video on the lever but installing it in the crossup is funny. The shortcut options available for movement & execution make the lever a moot point imo. I installed an ASI Golden Lever into the Alpha Crossup from their kickstarter. Once I learned all of the shortcuts the lever became a speed barrier and introduced overhead and caused random execution errors. Swapping it out for an Odin V2 drop in converted it into an all button leverless build I’ve been using to this day. Movement is effortless and execution errors are a thing of the past.
That’s subjective, you’re not forced to use the extra direction buttons and sounds like user error but I could be wrong. I also prefer this over the golden lever so again, very subjective 🫡
can you mod it to be a bat top?
yes
NO random jumps??!! LOL if that happens the problem is not the stick, its the player LOL!
No it's not. The V1 was known to have spring back when returning to neutral.