The Rise & Fall of The Poker Dream ft. Maria Konnikova | To Be Determined... Poker Documentary |
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2023
- Oscar, a low-stakes poker player who has been pushed to the fringes of an increasingly difficult industry, confronts an uncertain future within a game that often takes more than it gives.
This documentary examines the benefits and detriments baked into the pursuit of a nontraditional career, and why it can be difficult to abandon something that has defined you for so long - especially in an industry where security is elusive, but extreme wealth is possible.
Parallel to Oscar’s experience, in an effort to fully explore the tenuous line between success and failure, intermittent interview segments featuring some of poker’s biggest names describe how skill, opportunity, and endurance all factor into the creation of a sustainable poker career. These interviews give context as to how the game has changed, what “success” means in a lifestyle that’s inherently unstable, and why Oscar’s story is one small piece of a much larger one.
Presented by Solve For Why in partnership with PokerGo, this is the first feature film by Pigtails Productions.
Featuring Erik Seidel, Nick Schulman, Phil Galfond, Andrew Lichtenberger, Maria Konnikova, Matt Berkey, Christian Soto, @MarlzTV, Vanessa Selbst, and more...
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Love what you guys are doing and creating at SFY. As a former grinder who saw the ugly, Im loving what all u guys bring to the table (Connie, Christian, Landon, Melissa, and of course Matt). Although I almost never play, I still am a big consumer of poker content and study for really no purpose outside of the challenge of learning new stuff. Im sure I still suck, and would get wrecked in real games, but I root for all you guys like your my horses lol
This was really good Doc 🐢!!!! Salute to you guys!!!!
So how is Oscar doing now a few yrs later Lamanna? I’m sure I’m not the only one who is curious to know… are you guys planning on doing any sort of update on him? You should!
@@primitive7634 read the text at the end.
This was amazing. So well done, raw and honest.
Props to Oscar for agreeing to share. I'm sure he made a lot of people take a hard look at their situation too.
seriously? he obviously got paid for this or got the course for free or both
@@user-ld2fl7vv9g you are obviously just a muppet..
@@user-ld2fl7vv9g still put his heart out to the world
@@user-ld2fl7vv9g So you think he was faking it and hes not a break even player?
I thought this was just going to be a very generic poker documentary about the general history of the last 20 years and I'm very glad to admit I was wrong. Excellent production and Oscar was really the perfect subject of the film. I think his journey is one that is extremely familiar to a lot of us out there. Props to him for facing the reality of his situation and making the necessary steps to put himself in a better position, both mentally and financially.
76 years old now I'm experiencing some health issues that make me think I really need to seriously work on my Poker game. Then this film comes into my life and shines a very bright light on my poker and my life. Like Oscar I've always glided through poker winning a few thousand each year solely relying on my natural ability great instincts and consistent good luck. When I tried to move up in stakes I always failed so instead of working and studying I just stopped trying. This film will light a fire under me! It's now or never.
Whoa
you can do it
sir this is a Wendy’s
It's never too late !
so you moved up in stakes & lost everything?? 1-800-GAMBLER
Not only was this an amazing production but it was both humbling and it reminded me of why I love this game in a particularly difficult time of my poker career. Mad respect to Johnny Sins and everything he's doing over at S4Y.
Awesome Documentary!
To me, it was very clear that encouraging Oscar to keep playing poker was the wrong choice. Poker is NOT for everyone. In fact, I think around 5% of the population even has a shot at being a serious winning poker player with a reasonable balance in their life if they really tried. The other 95% of people absolutely should not attempt to play poker for a living, if at all.
You need so many things going for you to be a successful poker player.
You need to fully fundamentally understand statistics: variance, risk, ev, probability, etc. Not just kinda know what those words mean as most players do. Oscar does not. He doesn't understand why quitting when you're up is bad. He doesn't understand why it's so bad to have a 400bb bankroll. He doesn't track his sessions, hours, or winrate at all. He probably played 500 hands in the underground games and thinks he has a three digit hourly in 1/2.
You also need to have an exceptional mental fortitude to put up with things inevitably going against you. This is basically impossible as a breakeven player with no bankroll. Every cooler (the KK vs 53o hand, for example) is disastrous. I doubt anyone in the world could play decently under those conditions. This is also exacerbated by not understanding how probability works.
You also need to ability to be able to sit down and seriously question the mistakes you've made. You have to go out of your way to review hands, accept that other people's ideas are worth hearing and implementing, and have the ability to focus on studying. Oscar clearly doesn't do this. Sure, when on camera he will say that **this** time, it's gonna be different and he's gonna sit down and grind and fix all his mistakes. There's a reason he can barely beat 1/2 after a decade of playing. I sure Christian has seen this epiphany before dozens of times and the same result happens every time. Just regression back to mediocrity.
Don't mean to dunk on Oscar, but he's just part of the 95%. He was not dealt a good hand in life. He isn't a genius and is under constant financial stress. I think any other real job (Uber isn't a real job) would serve him so much better, whether or not he's been "pursuing" this for years. The most damning thing in the whole film was how he says that he dreads driving to the casino more than driving back home after a loss. If that's really the case, this career has absolutely no positives over working at McDonalds except for the false dream of somehow running up millions of dollars that most amateur players secretly can't give up on, deep down.
He brought that one on himself too it wasn't even a proper cooler lol. Shoulda played it literally any other way: Shove pre, call him down, see if the flush completes THEN semi-bluff shove, etc... He was obvs strong. Coulda easily had As or flopped a set, then what? How you gonna gripe then? Btw u know if roles were reversed Oscar woulda open-shoved his 2pair and folded out the guy's Kings lmao.
such and underrated documentary!
My friend who use to play poker professionally said---you should never romanticize playing poker for a living.
As I learn to play the game---the variance of the game will humble and your decisions will always play an integral part of it.
But still Holdem is such a wonderful game and I will always be very passionate about it.
Literally got choked up 3 times. Oscar is a lot of us. Definitely almost my twin. Mad respect to all involved. If I don’t watch this more than 100x….I’ll be surprised. I f n love this game!!
Great production for everyone involved. Shoutout to Oscar for being vulnerable.
We need a follow up interview with Oscar on the podcast! The people want it! If not, at least an update on what he’s up to today
Check your local McDonald’s, he’s there asking if you want fries with that.
He is under the Queensboro bridge right now alongside Adam Egret.
when was this filmed?
@E B Has to be a years old as sands has been wind creek since I think 2019
Based on how bad of a student he was made out to be in this documentary, at best he’s still playing 1-2.
Wow, one minute in and I can tell how quality this piece is, great job.. Oscar is a real one for putting it all out there. I’m in a different type of situation but can empathize with what he’s going through. Props to Oscar
Love the intertwining of the overall arch for poker from 2003 to now along with Oscar. Production did a good job of capturing and presenting Oscar’s emotions and he appeared to be very vulnerable, transparent and honest even during difficult conversations. A great film - well done!
Wow this was so incredibly well done. Please produce more docs like this. I’ve always wanted to make something like this. Awesome to see someone executing this well. 🔥
This video is absolutly amazing. I can relate to how Oscar is throughout the video, knowing you are better than the people at the table we sit but can't seem to break through and just feel stuck and unwilling to put in the effort. This is a big eye opener for me and am going to commit to doing what is right because I love this game to much to not see myself in this game in the years to come.
Great job! Loved following the story and seeing the clips of all the players. Editing was superb.
This documentary, in addition to being excellent and honest, was extremely educational. Topics were covered here:
- I play poker because I want to or because I have to
- I play poker by choice or lack of choice
- Am I being honest about my skill level?
- Is my emotional side good? Am I good when I win and bad when I lose?
- Do I feel the pressure of money at the limit I play?
- Are my plays affected by this?
- And etc....
Thank you guys and thank you player for this great lesson.
Lol
A fantastic documentary that was very well filmed! It offered so many different perspectives and insights into the game, the mindset , the emotion and struggles from the pros down to the $1-2 rec players.
I could relate so well with Oscar and the excuses I tell myself when I lose. When Berkey talked about him not being able to answer the questions of, “What are your leaks”, “How many hours did you play and where”, etc. You can’t fix what you don’t take the time to understand.
I love the dam game but have to be honest with myself about how much I’m spending, wasting, if I’m not willing to implement the lessons.
Not poker related but my love to your sister, I lost my son through SIDS at 2 months old too and it’s a big trauma to everyone, this was 2012 but has effected everything in my life even still and you never get over it,I wish her all the best xx ❤❤
SIDS doesn't exist, your wife killed the kid in a postnatal traumatic stress episode. It's the hard truth doctors are not telling you. SIDS doesn't even exist in a country like Japan but it's rampant in the US and the West, wonder why. Oh, its money and better healthcare? Why is the SIDS % of mexico the same as Japan's then? Google it and look it up.
My condolences.
I'm genuinely blown away, this was absolutely freaking amazing.
Superb doc guys ,can see the time and effort and production quality put in to this ,please please bring us more of these, thx s4y gang 😃
Thank you for putting this together. Really incredible
Thanks for your time and work on this! It was very good and a surprise find. I’m sharing it with my poker friends
This was seriously one of the best poker documentaries I have ever watched. Such a grounding story about Oscar, and the real discussions with the Solve Why team beyond the poker stuff was incredible to see.
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Thank you for making this!! More poker content like this 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Excellent documentary, which highlights the struggles and problems of tiny stakes player attempting to grind. Shows the importance of studying poker, of which he seems incapable because when he's losing he's too depressed to study and when he's winning he feels he doesn't need it.
What on earth is there to study? I mean it's not like playing chess or something...
There is literally SO MUCH to study about poker@@drizzle952
@@drizzle952 It is very much like playing chess.
This was affecting, subtle, and a pleasure to watch. It reminds me of the experience of finding a book without a cover and deciding on a whim to read the first few pages and then a couple hours later finding yourself totally engrossed. The ending was particularly good story telling. It was as if the filmmaker found the few frames or the single moment with each subject of the documentary where an expression on their face revealed their humanity. Thanks for posting this. It was also good advertising for the academy as I need to take a vacation and I am thinking about doing the May tourney class.
Man I know exactly how Oscar felt.. hope he makes it out of the struggle!
the text at the end says he cashed several wsop tourneys and is now succeeding at mid stakes. sounds like he broke out of that mental cage he got locked into.
More!! Well done. Thank you.
This documentary is super informative. This angle portrayed proves y’all’s commitment to the industry. Great job team SFW.
Wow this better get some kind of award!! I loved every minute of it.solve for why way to go respect.. everybody gotta have a dream even if is a poker dream keep pushing oscar!!!!
Hey this was great. Glad I came back to watch the rest of it. I can relate big time here. Kudos to all involved.
I want to wish Oscar the best of luck in his endeavors. He is the underdog and seeing him win big in a poker tournament is worthwhile. I'm rooting for you Oscar!!!
First off, well done documentary, very well produced and very enjoyable. Mad respect to Oscar for doing this and keeping it real. Whether it's poker or something else, I think we can all empathize with Oscar's story with respect to chasing your dreams while having to mitigate certain risks. I give him a lot of credit for wearing his emotions on his sleave for this documentary. I think a mentor/coach would be great for him more than anything, someone that can help him shift his mentality just a little bit. I would like to see Oscar pursue something else that interests him, he seems to have a great foundation, morals and values...that will serve him well in many other professions and will lead to success. Maybe not what he defines as success right now, but that's why I think a good mentor would help, someone that can help him convert those traits into a more meaningful/impactful outcome. Many people lack those traits, Oscar, and I think you'll find they will bring you the success you seek. The poker grind isn't everyone's calling, I think you're calling is much bigger than you can see right now.
Absolutely LOVE this! Solve For Why is putting out the best poker content by far and I can't wait to see what you all produce next!
Much appreciated!
Very well done! Can easily relate my experience in poker over 15 years. Thank you for the content!
great job! Quality doc, props for releasing on youtube
Really engaging, and nicely executed! Thanks as always for the great content
Thank you soooo much for this documentary. It opened my eyes on many things really. Loved all the people who participated in, and I wish the best in life for Oscar 💪🏼 Love from Barcelona ❤️
I'm glad this gets to live on UA-cam now. Watched this back when it premiered on PokerGO and was a little surprised how quickly it came and went without any promotion on there. I grew up watching poker on tv with my parents during the Moneymaker era and started playing more myself during COVID. Loved this when it came out, when I was pretty new to the game. Even better with a new perspective of playing seriously, studying a lot more, for two years now
When did it first air? what year was this made?
Best documentary I’ve ever seen just facts about the hardships that come from the game we love
I love how this film concludes, the last 3 mins. Thank you
Oscar is such a good human being. I wish him great success for him and his family. He’s definitely in all of us.
I like this cause it shows why we love poker & with hard work you can succeed .. but almost encourages the idea that it ain’t for everyone.. opposed to blindly pushing it to gain more fish.. Deff good to have someone like Oscar be the subject cause I relate more to him than I ever will to a high stakes beast.. yea man.. real dope project..
This doc has really changed my outlook on how I approach the game.
what a fun watch!! I was SO PROUD of Oscar, I related a ton to his story. excellent production too.
What a piece guys!! This is kind the movie poker deserves... thks!
Your Pod cast are always fun and and other content production is fabulous, but this.... this was beyond great Thanks for the content the hour and a half flew by
Great job making this guys!
Awesome work guys and huge respect to Oscar and so many people in his same position
Wow! Didn't expect much from this, but was very pleasantly surprised! Great doc!
I really enjoyed this. Tell Oscar I'm really proud of him. He inspires me, and many others I'm sure.
Well done Solve for Why Team. Lots any poker player can take from this probably best film that dives deep into the psychology of the game and the people who play it. Great interviews as well! Production was top notch as well!
I was able to utilize the solve for whys' free trial and watched this doc last week on their website. The movie has an incredible story line and great production. I'll be watching again tonight!
Much thanks to SFW crew, this is a great watch!
Mahalo for this video! Glad to have stumbled upon it!
Awesome doc. Very well done and full of great insight. It serves us well to be introspective, not only about the game we love, but also to the bigger picture of what's most important in our lives.
This was incredible. Amazing work S4Y
Oscar is a good man, has a good aura around him. Wish him the best.
Awesome doco!!! Scary thing is while watching this I could see myself. I remember going broke a few times some 5 years ago and they were definitely hard times mentally resulting in me unintentionally stepping away from the game for close to 2 years. Eventually I came across a poker room while travelling and felt that spark to go play once again. Unfortunately just as things began turning around we got hit by Covid. Since Covid I found myself bored of playing Holdem online and so here we are beginning the journey of the dark realms of plo4/5/6. All I can say is Poker will humble you over and over and the moment you doubt yourself it's over. Happy grinding
Awesome documentary! Would love to see more like this!!
amazing documentary. watched the whole thing, so well done at targeting probably the most interesting parts of poker.
great video man, loved watching it!
a gripping and thought-provoking exploration of the game, especially for me who enjoys poker for the rollercoaster and thrills it brings. Kudos to the directors for the stunning cinematography and insightful interviews ♠️🃏
It’s an ad…. A good one
Behind the poker stars are thousands Oscar's struggling day by day. The most human poker project that i have never seen. Almost a sociological material. Bravo et merci.
Straight up... enjoyed the documentary! Well produced and truly hits on poker's reality when playing NL Texas Holdem.
Enjoyed it much; it was very well done, thanks.
This was awesome. We need more shit like this. Well done 👍
Great film. Thank you
Good shit. Kudos to the editor, well done. Thanks for sharing
See so much of myself in Oscar, life is tough and playing 1 of the toughest games to survive is going to take its toll. Great production and will take a lot from it TY👍
Thanks for this, exactly what I was looking for!
This was much better than I expected.
Hey Christian and Oscar, if you read this, it’s Pete from “The Factory” days. Fantastic job on this Doc! Cinematography, subject matter, pacing. All well done and this is coming from somebody who still works in television so I know what’s, what. I subscribed so I’ll keep an eye out for more content from you guys. Best of luck. 🍀
This. was. awesome! Thanks for this.
Amazing movie!
Thanks for work!
What an amazing work you guys have put together!
This gets me pumped up.
Man this was such a great great documentary, that so many of us can resonate to Oscar. I can’t believe how much this hit home. Incredible incredible job!!
Towards the end, Matt talking about how the swings can spill over and sometimes you need to take a break, brutally honest assessments are what kept him in game so long. I long left the game in a serious manner, but I remember playing with Matt when I lived in Vegas and I was grinding as a nobody in 2008, and seeing he had it back then. Im always rooting for Berkey whenever I see him in action. He is one of the FEW hood guys in an ecosystem ripe with the complete opposite.
Well said Donald.
The only reason berkey is still in action is bc he has a backer. Berkey plays so poorly
Can definitely relate to Oscar and the struggle to change your play. Great job on the film and best of luck Oscar moving forward.
Excellent job on this I actually sat through the whole thing. 🎉
I genuinely loved this documentary. Thank you
best poker documentary ever, great work guys
this is so amazing...it’s almost kaleidoscopic and it just comes together so well. What vision and understanding to cut this shite up and put it back together like this. Fucking amazing. THANK YOU 🤓
One of the best anythings I've ever seen. Bravo
love this video, i remember being in oscar's shoes and finally moving up to 5/5 to grind a more sustainable income
Great doc, we’ll made!
This was great. Always enjoy your guys content. We’ll put together fellas.
Yeah you all outdone yourselves with this! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
This was awesome, great job.
Very much impressed with the docu. As a part-timer I couldn't agree more on the challenges faced by people who chose this line of profession.
Love it!!!
just watched 22 min of this oh boy this is very high quality good job
going back to finish it
This is very useful information well prepared! Really hope a lot of struggling players watch this
Watching this helps me fully understand how little I know about poker, and how far I still have to go.
Great Movies Guys! Keep up the great work!
Major props all around for this production
This is spectacular, great job!! Hopefully Netflix or some service picks this up🤩💯👍💥
Great documentary!! Well done guys!
Wish best of luck to Oscar.
When Oscar was talking about his kings getting cracked by 53o in the way he was, that's a giant red flag that I'm sure a lot of people trying to survive in low stakes can relate with. If one hand is impacting you that much, you're on a very dark and dangerous path that'll catch up with you sooner or later.
Poker as a side income is fun and enjoyable. Playing for a living is another beast entirely. It's tragic how many people have tried and are still trying to be 1/2 or even 2/5 "pros" but are just in survival mode, not really even living a meaningful or happy life on any level.
Listening to Oscar talk about poker for more than two minutes it's clear he will never be a winning player
I agree. He doesn’t seem to have natural talent and his poker IQ seems pretty low honestly. But he’s a 1,3 player so it’s to be expected. Also, when your bankroll is small and you can’t absorb a couple bad sessions, it makes playing smart much harder because you start playing scared. He’s one bad month away from losing everything and he doesn’t have a decent job as a backup. Very difficult for anyone to succeed under those circumstances.
I don't play much poker but even I would not have shoved all in with kings after the other guy three bets pre. He should have just checked or called and then folded to any aggression. Even though he had kings, he really only had one pair.
@@aristideau5072you're completely wrong
@@ryanblanchard2508this X10000. The confidence in your decisions / the moves you make are dictated by your roll when I had a real nest egg my game was so much better and my roi soared