here's what I found out when you were talking about the author of the novelization: Originally, Alan Dean Foster wanted his adaptation to differ from the film's script, which he disliked. Chiefly, he wanted to keep Newt alive. According to Foster, "My thought ... was to explain that her capsule was damaged and that she would therefore have to remain in deep sleep until it could be repaired. That way, she remains alive but inactive for the duration of the story, Ripley's motivation to fight to remain alive in order to sustain her is maintained, and Newt's status being iffy (she can live or die at any time) adds another element of suspense to the film." Foster also drew up back stories for many of the inmate characters, to add additional motivation for them.However, the producers responded that he was not permitted to alter the storyline and rejected all of the material he had planned to include. As a result of the experience, Foster later turned down the novelization of Alien Resurrection. That would have been a thousand times better than killing her off.I know it's probably stupid,but I have a strong aversion to killing children in anything! Unless that kid was the spawn of Satan and had no chance of redemption,you DO NOT kill innocent children!
Very true. And I believe Alan's giving the inmates back stories would have made the story MUCH more enjoyable. I enjoy a lot of good character development, so, the fact that Ripley and the Doctor (forget his name) were pretty much the only ones with a personality (that I could enjoy (or at least stomach)) is what really ruined the movie for me since I really don't think it is nearly as bad as other people think it is. I really just hate the whole "let's rape Ripley" tension that runs for half of the movie. That was (along with what you said) one of my main problems with the movie (since I don't find rape to be a very wholesome watching experience). But, hey, on the plus side, we get Bishop and Weyland (and, yes, while Weyland probably didn't care that much whether Ripley died or not, I like to think that, "No," he screamed out had some human emotion behind it)! That's got to count for something, right? :D RIGHT!? D:
It doesn't even matter to me that she was a child, just the fact that she went through all that crap in Aliens only for them to kill her was bull. I HATE it when movies do that, it's pointless and lazy.
Joey Matheny Pointless and lazy? I think not. Was it a misdirection? Perhaps, but pointless? Uh uh. If you've read the early drafts of the script, you'd know that the whole idea was to make Ripley... miserable. The 'wooden planet' draft was supposed to be her purgatory, and she was supposed to lose EVERYONE she loves, including Hicks AND Newt. So no, it certainly wasn't pointless, and there's enough merit in the story not to be passed off as 'lazy' either.
***** Fair enough, that makes sense. I guess I'm just so used to other movie sequels killing the main or side character from the first for no reason. It can and does work, but a lot of movies do it for no reason other than the actor didn't want to be in a sequel,
I LOVE Alien 3 Assembly Cut. The aesthetics and the mood are great, and the characters are very memorable to me. It cracks me up how 85 attacks the company folks and then gets shot to bits at the end. That's why they call you 85.
I think that the queen face hugger holds two alien embryos one is the queen and the other is a regular alien that could protect the queen as it takes longer to grow.
That actually makes sense, having a second embryo to protect the queen wile she is still in her chestburster state if the alíen dosen’t find another host and also because i think the alien queen takes longer
Decker, you're honestly the best reviewer of movies on UA-cam. Bloody amazing stuff. In depth knowledge, with some of the funniest jokes I've heard in reviews. Keep at it.
21:30 on the plus side, there wasn't a self destruct set off at the end ... the infrastructure was left in amazing shape compared to the first 2 movies
"The only way to stop the bad guy with acid blood is with a good guy with acid blood." Decker inadvertently exposing the thought process in the writing room for Resurrection 🤣🤣🤣
You know as far as "keeping Ripley strong" goes, she did get attacked by about six men... I mean, that's how dudes get raped in prison, so I don't see why Ripley would get super powers to stave that off.
Agreed, plus she didn’t just submit and give up, she struggled and screamed and fought, I think her notable strength was her toughness in these situations and her ability to push through her fear and survive
I was gonna say “the alien might be eating a ton so that it can pupate into a new queen” because I believe any alien can become a queen given resources and enough time but ripley also had the “Queen chestburster” and my whole thing went out the window
O...M...G. THANK YOU!!! Everything you say is spot on. HATED that they killed anybody we cared about in the opening scenes. HATED the bad special effects (it totally took me out of the film). HATED that I didn't care anything about any of the characters except Ripley of course. My biggest peeve? How the hell did the alien queen from Aliens get her eggs into the inside of the escape ship; and if she did, how the hell did Ripley or anyone else not notice??? UGH. The worst. Thanks again!
jetohu I personally enjoy the dark themes. The first movie is birth, the second movie is motherhood and the third movie is death. Resurrection is purgatory I guess(?) and AVP requiem is hell. I like the approach of that early shock leading to Ripley having nothing left to live for except killing the Alien in the prison and in her body. I think it takes balls to kill off the series main character and I think Resurrection cheapened the impact of Ripley’s death. If you want a separate believable head canon you should check out the dark horse comic series. There is a big chunk of it that covers Newt,Hicks and Ripley post-Aliens. Edit: PS if you haven’t seen the extended cut of the film I highly recommend you do. They literally add in a solid 35 minutes along with other changes that make for a better film.
In fact pretending that d queen could reproduce once she detached from her full sac, it's just like a woman giving birth without her uterus. IMPOXIBLE.
Doesn't have the same intonation. "The big [location] in the sky" is a long-used terminology for Heaven. For example, all the prisoners went to "the big prison in the sky"...
It always pissed me off that they killed off Newt especially after all that shit Ripley went through to rescue her in the previous film, plus I really liked her character.
Your reviews are better than some of the movies you’re reviewing. Your no bullshit humor really works, really enjoying it. Just wish you would slow the end scrawl by about 20%.
The rape scene helped giving some humanity to Ripley. A vulnerability we haven't seen since Alien, and even then that was all but gone in the final act. Here, she's not superhuman. She cannot overpower 6 muscular men pumped up on hormones and the anger their genetic defect gives them. She's a rather slender woman, not even a day out of crysleep, that has spent most of that day doing heavy and exhausting work, while being traumatized for the second time in, for her, short notice. Of course she wouldn't be able to wiggle her way out of that one.
morphman86 Agreed, but at least give her the brain she had, by giving her the instinctive urges to warn someone beforehand, bring a weapon, (ANYTHING), or even just have her go with someone else. Have that person be incapacitated first and then boom, her also being defeated is a logical line of events, unlike us HEARING a guy telling her "I am a murderer and rapist of womens" and yet she thinks a planet full of these ain't but a stroll in a park during daytime? She should have known better by the third fu*king movie/crisis in a row!
@@afrog2666 @17:31 the guy in the film shouts "pissed off". Decker assumes "drunk" if true English is your first language. I.e not American English then you'll know pissed off sounds like 'pissed up'. Which over here means drunk.
At the 17:40 mark of the video, an inmate calls the alien "Is really pissed off!" which you then refer that he meant the alien is drunk. Because of British actors. I must correct that we British say just "Pissed" to say drunk, as "pissed off" means angry as fuck. Still, great review.
I always assumed the company was on there way after the first message, the message that there was a queen in riply was recieved while already in transit to Fury.
I think you shouldda kept the couch man. It made you more relatable. And gives the vids an intimate feel. Is probably annoying getting lots of 'advice' tho. I enjoy your work 🤘
I know Decker doesn't much like this movie, but I think it helped cement an essential part of the Aliens franchise - the nihilistic plot. The world and universe is as monstrous as the aliens themselves, and I like that aspect of it. The first one had nihilistic tones between Ripley's inability to flee the alien even by destroying the Nostromo and the surrounding universe not caring about her struggles or well-being, but because they were isolated they were in this little microcosm separate from the rest of humanity. In Aliens it was the same thing, only with more aliens, and Ripley was kind of like a beacon in the darkness and restoring order and goodness to the world. In Alien 3 all of her struggles and misery amounts to nothing, because as soon as the doors open and Weyland-Yutani runs in, everyone still dies. Including her. It feels a lot more miserable, makes the movies more horrifying, and it feels like the kind of environment a creature like the alien could thrive in.
Steven Cohen hopefully it will, since the new film is going to completely ignore the event of Alien 3 to them, alien 3 is a alternate universe story you see?
DRAGOTH BELMONT I wonder how they'll address Ripley and Hicks' respective ages. Supposedly, Alien 5 is going to be a direct sequel to Aliens. Sigourney Weaver still looks great, but I don't think she can pass as a thirty-year-old woman. Oh well, I'm looking forward to seeing it. :)
Litshttam You're probably right. Personally, I'd love to see Newt resurrected somehow, but I have doubts about this new film. Perhaps Fox would accept the notion of an alternate timeline (sort of like what J.J. Abrams did with Star Trek) , but that is becoming cliche. Also, we've seen so much of the aliens by now that we've become desensitized. I don't think Blomkamp will be able to make an Alien movie that is truly scary.
Really? Complaining that Ripley's "strong character" was poisoned because she can't overpower 5 men that are bigger than her? I love you Decker, but come on dude.
It's almost like she's on a planet of isolated men who haven't seen a woman in years or potentially decades or something, but god forbid the most likely scenario happen and establish that you can't trust these people and create a good setting for a slasher film to play out. This is where we insert one of Decker's loud face palms.
Antichrist2000 yeah because using a powerloader to beat the crap out of a queen xenomorph isn't badass or anything. After going through the shit Ripley has, you would start to develop a don't give a shit attitude. With a xeno running around the last thing on her mind are the inmates potentially wanting to rape her.
I think it was more how her character needed to be saved, and she didn't even really get to put up a fight. Unfortunately, if a human sees another human ravaged, they tend to see them as weaker.
This is the second video so I had to mention it, the most prevalent form of the “pissed” means mad or furious, obviously whether an Englishman says it or not, I’m sure he knows both connotations.
LOL. All these people insisting the Alien franchise is supposed to end dark and depressing... It makes me wonder if they paid attention to the themes. Alien theme: story of how one lone survivor loses her crew but overcomes drastic odds and outsmarts the 'perfect biological weapon' Aliens' theme : story of how one lone survivor finds personal redemption by saving a child and overcoming her worse fears by taking down the Bitch Alien 3: story of how one lone survivor was better off dying with her original crew since she a) fails to save this new crew b) loses her loved ones c) dies to her worse fear, and d) fails to save the world since the alien gets cloned anyway Only one of these has a dark and depressing theme. Take a guess which one. >_>
I agree. I'm a child of the seventies and had the benefit of watching films and television series in which strong, independent women were becoming prominent. Ellen Ripley was, in my opinion, the greatest heroine to ever show up on a movie screen. I have yet to see a film in which the audience cheered the way they did in Aliens. Alien 3 had some good elements to it, but personally, I think it was a huge slap in the face to fans of the first two films. I'll take the theme of women overcoming the odds over that of nihilism any day. To people who say that having Ripley fall into molten lead with a monstrosity bursting out of her chest was the perfect ending for her, I would emphatically say no. Having her return safely to Earth to raise Newt was the ending she deserved and should have gotten.
dantespimp lol All these idiot fanboys crying about how their precious Alien franchise is ruined by the artistic vision of several cooks making a bad soup, a soup that, by the way, had a potentially intelligent existential story behind it that most haters are obviously too biased or stupid to bother comprehending. lmao
dantespimp I'm not here to argue, but please do yourself a favor and go watch the video made by Movie Defense Force on Alien 3 (just type in "Movie Defense Force Alien 3" in the search bar). He made a compelling argument on the discussion, particularly your point about how the franchise wasn't supposed to end dark and depressing: "First of all, screw pair of them - Newt is annoying, and Hicks is boring - but more importantly, I feel their deaths is a crucial part to the Alien mythos, as it sends a long-running and important message: The Aliens. Always. Win. This has always been a part of the series' story. Weyland Yutani tried to control the xenomorphs and they failed. Marines tried to kill the xenomorphs and they failed. The Alien is a force of nature and it cannot be manipulated or stopped. Ripley finds out they also cannot be escaped. The Alien always wins, and Alien 3 delivered that message like a sledgehammer blow. Now, some argued that this renders her rescue of Newt point - but I disagree. First of all, everything we do in life is pointless if you think death renders what you do without meaning, and secondly, Newt died as peaceful a death as anybody could hope for in that universe - she's been rescued from forced impregnation and then birth by chest-explosion. For all intents and purposes, Ripley succeeded in saving Newt from one of the most horrific deaths imaginable, and now she had to die a better one. A small victory in a lost war, maybe, but it was a victory. And given how awful Newt's fate could have been, it absolutely made the events in Aliens worth it. Ultimately, the series has always been about loss. Loss of friends, loss of family. Ripley lost everything, and Alien 3 eventually saw her lose her own life. This is always Ellen Ripley's story. The xenomorphs took everything from her, and all she could do in return was try and take them with her. It's a beautiful story. A tragic one, but beautiful. If any franchise would do right by life by admitting that we don't all get happy Hollywood endings, Alien was the franchise to do it - end it with balls. This is reinforced with the death of Clemens: After we spent the film liking him and just after he gives Ripley his entire tragic backstory, he's immediately executed by the Alien, because the Alien doesn't care. It doesn't care that is to share his story with Ripley. It doesn't care how much the audience might identify with him. Just because he's part of the plot, it doesn't mean he get invincibility license. This makes the Alien a credible threat again, so that anybody is free to die at that point. Again, this is what the Alien franchise is about - the Alien doesn't care who you are. You know the line: "It's unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." To take that threat seriously, important people can't be invulnerable for the sake of it.
***** Yes, I'm aware of the soup. But happily tasting/requesting seconds of soup made from tainted sausage is no better than fanboys demanding the check. Fox execs dumped all over the artistic visions of many good writers and promising stories because it didn't sound 'profitable'. When time was up for the script, they ended mixing this with that (similar to writing an essay two hours before it's due lol). Even in production stages, they were still editing and trying to figure shit out. The vision you see in Alien is more of David Fincher trying to make turkey sandwich out of leftovers from 4 different meals. Fincher was brilliant and its because of his use of editing, way of shooting the film, and trying to amplify dark elements that Alien 3 was decent. I would've gladly accept Alien 3's entry if it had been written with an artistic vision in mind (not the result of editing and improv decisions). If Newt and Hicks were meant to die, so be it. If Ripley was meant to die, so be it. But the decisions to kill them off was never an intended move from the start, just a decision based on how to 'push the envelope' with cheap deaths because the overall story was still in limbo-land. It resulted in poor execution and plot holes (Where did the Alien eggs come from? Why didn't the company simply take the eggs from the start if they knew about them all along as Bishop insinuated? It all seemed like the work of a fanfic writer who didn't bother covering the basics) Hill and Carroll kept dancing the two-step back and forth; unable to decide whether they wanted an Cameron-like film or Ridley Scott film. And no writer satisfied them. Even the really cool monastery plot Alien 3 ended up borrowing from got hacked to bits due to time constraints (from Fox exes dicking around too much before finally coming up with something). When the film got released and failed to receive box office success, they made Fincher the scapegoat. Respect the 'artistic vision' of those assholes? Pft. Nope. Respect Fincher and the people who managed to salvage something from shit? Yep. But in no way did Alien 3 convey a worthwhile vision to be applauded. The only vision that existed by the end of Alien 3's credits was the vision of dollar signs Hill and Carroll hoped to see.
Kason Lyger Movie Defense Force Alien 3 has its own interpretation of the that film. I respect that. But it's not the end-all interpretation. My interpretation is based off mythical archetypes of the hero and their journey. More specifically, the journey the hero endures and the ultimate theme that follows in previous material. Both Alien and Aliens revolve around the theme of survival horror (emphasis on 'survival'). Only Alien 3 turned it into a SAW-like survival horror where there was no chance of the hero winning (playing on the theme of Irony/Fate). Worse, with Alien Resurrection, it demonstrated that all of Ripley's efforts had gone in vain since the Alien race still survived. Returning back to the previous themes of Alien 1 and Alien 2, yes it was about Ripley's story. And that story came to full circle after the credits of Cameron's Aliens. Ripley breathed life into this desolate alien world as a lone survivor. Even among her crew in Alien 1, she was bit of an outsider. She saw her crew killed one by one and nearly bit the dust. But Ripley was a survivor and she endured those trials. By Alien 2, Ripley was still in hell. Her nightmares made it impossible for her to live. It was on her to face her torments one last time and see to it that she 'didn't end up like all the others'. She succeeded. And not only that, saved lives. If we're going to talk about plot and themes, then we better acknowledge character plot devices. I'll be honest, I discarded Move Defense's assessment the moment they dismissed Newt's relevance, mostly because Newt's role is extremely pivotal. Let's set aside the fact she's a beloved fan favorite or is 'boring'. That doesn't really matter at all. Rather, let's focus on her role in the OVERALL story arc for Ripley. Newt's story parallels Ripley's own tale. Through Newt, Ripley gains redemption (an important step for the hero). Ripley doesn't really forgive herself for failing to save her crew from the previous film. And she doesn't forgive herself for leaving her child behind during her extended sleep. Ripley lost everything. Ripley survives but can't dream. Through Newt, we see her personal struggles echoed (surviving but being alienated, sleeping but being unable to dream). They are both survivors of a horror. But while they breathe, they can't really live. By the end of Aliens, though, Ripley not only overcomes her nightmare, but gains redemption from Newt. The losses she has suffered now gain a balance and the hero's journey is complete. The fact that Cameron leaves the two to sleep in space is an important metaphor. Both return to the cosmos' black womb, but now with a sense of peace. Alien 3's quick dismissal of Newt pretty much dumped all of that out the window. It wasn't even to make a statement, but to make a quick buck with cheap deaths. But aside from that aspect, Alien 3 isn't about Ripley's story anymore; it's about Fate now (Fate being presented in the face of the Alien). If Ripley ever found redemption Fate will simply take it away. If Ripley sacrificed herself, Fate will just laugh at her efforts (Aliens survive anyway). This type of uncompromising theme is more in line with today's slasher films like SAW, which begs the question: why even bother? If the Alien franchise was all about Fate from the start, then why waste audience's time with two movies showcasing a character that DEFIED Fate? Why spend an entire film finding redemption when Fate will swoop in and kill you and your 'redemption' off? The Final Destination sequels will testify how fast this formula/path becomes pointless.Fate films are only great if they don't abruptly pull the rug from under you, laugh at your surprised reaction, and then expect you to take them seriously. The quick dismissal of crucial plot devices (Newt) was definitely a rug pull. And the decision behind it felt more like a 'lets make a quick buck' and 'I ran outta ideas so lets kill this one off and start from scratch' decision, than 'let's take this into a fresh different different and execute this smartly'. I commend Fincher for scraping whatever he could to make a decent film. But when we're discussing hero archetypes and themes, Alien 3 falls short because it can't decide which direction to take things. If we're talking about getting rid of 'Hollywood endings' cliches by resorting to Fate, then the whole scene of Ripley's sacrifice was one giant cliche and a cop-out. Her death served no purpose in the bigger picture since the Aliens are still alive in Alien Resurrection. So nothing for her character comes in full circles, no real character development or additional journeys to evolve her character. We're only left with a half-committed ending.
Ok, I’m gonna say it. Ripley is set upon by five hardened convicts, she has NO formal military or martial arts training, so her being overpowered and almost raped, being saved by yet ANOTHER hardened criminal, and her response, other than breaking down and crying, or running and cowering behind her rescuer, is to punch the living crap out of one of her attackers with a single blow. HOW THE HELL DOES THIS DIMINISH HER BADASS STATUS?!? That’s just stupid.
Myself and a number of other fans agree to this Headcanon that Alien³ never happened this way Ripley and Hicks hooked up, and adopted Newt, and essentially grew into a Nuclear Family version of a ragtag team of Mercenaries that slum around the systems and blow the everloving fuck out of Xenos
animalman57 I guess it's something that was made especially for the special edition, not something that was made during the movie's production and then got scrapped.
Well, Ripley did end up on a prison planet with exclusively men who haven’t seen a woman in years. I believe that the prisoners loosing control and potentially fighting and killing each other to get to her and/ or doing horrible things to her would certainly be a concern.
A while back I picked up Dark Horse's Aliens the Essential Comics V.1 which is a collection of stories that continued the story of Newt and Hicks after the events of Aliens before Alien 3 was released killing off their characters thus rendering these stories non-canon. Despite some problems and issues with the writing these comics are still better then Alien 3 and hell Resurrection cause they continued to further explore and utilize their characters instead of killing them off like they were nothing.
Alien 3 is a good film I don't get why so many hated the fact of Newt and Hicks. 1st off Newt was killed off mainly bc of the setting, she would have been assaulted by the prisoners on Fury 161. 2 Hicks supposly survives in Aliens Colonial Marines. Alien 3 is underrated. Just like Terminator 3 is underrated. Awsome film.
If it were a standalone movie with a similar script... it probably would have been a good movie... not great, but good. The issue was that it was the third act standing in the shadows of Alien and Aliens, both of which are still considered some of the best films of their respective genres. As a result, people hate Alien3 because it fails to live up to the franchise. In other words... its a good movie... it just isn't a good "Alien" movie.
Hey, Decker! I've come to the realisation that Isaac Clarke, and Ripley, share some character traits. Who of the two do you think would win in a battle of survival?
i remember seeing a trailer for alien 3 on the aliens special edition VHS way back and beeing so hyped it was a teaser so was really expecting aliens 2 on earth ,so dissapointed by alien 3 ,but i do really quite like the assembly cut
Uh Decker. A "good guy " with a gun has been a highly effective way to stop a " bad guy" with a gun for several hundred years. Better than a "good guy" with a twinkie.
Alien Cubed would be an interesting movie idea. Cube/Alien crossover. One prevailing theory about why the bambi-burster is more advanced than a human or yautja-based chestburster: The Facehugger does not lay an egg or implant an embryo as many think. Instead, it injects a liquid containing the xenomorphs' DNA, which causes a tumor that develops into the burster, using the hoast's DNA for environmental adaptations. Additionally, most species' young are born in a much more capable state than that of young primates, birds, or marsupials. Add onto that the fact that most species also have a higher metabolism than humanoids. Combined, these suggest that a burster from most species would be better-formed than the humanod-born chestbursters.
You answered your question. They got the lifepod data and scrambled immediately. Possibly from a closer colony. They got the bioscan of Ripley while on the way.
I actually like the theatrical cut. Though you're right, the guy's performance and the whole capture alien scene was a nice addition. Plus it explains where the hell Morris got that gash on the back of his head.
Also when did the alien queen from the last movie have time to lay an egg on the ship? (she was in the landing gear the whole time) How did she do it? (she lost her egg sack) Unless otherwise noted, it seems plainly clear that the alien egg was contrived for the sake of the plot. And that contrivance led to two beloved characters being killed off unceremoniously as well as the inevitable death of Ripley. That's probably one major reason why folks don't like this one as much as the first two. It's not that it's dark, it's that it's meaninglessly dark.
Wait? They cut out the scene where the alien queen bursts through Ripleys chest just before she fall into the furnace? WTF that was the greatest scene in this movie! FUCK THIS SHIT MAN!
Oddly,.. even as a kid, this was my favorite. I liked the dark theme, and the characters are interesting. When i found out about other people hating it i've always wondered why. Opinions are subjective for sure, but imagine what it could have been with that extra 7million that was flushed down the drain. but, I like it as is anyway :P and it was completely practical,. but for 1 shot. therefore I
Has anyone complained to you that you didn't mention that Charles Dance went on to play Tywin Lannister in Game of Thrones, on a side note one of the other prisoners played by Clive Mantle would go on to portray Lord Greatjon Umber Game of Thrones, then again there probably wouldn't have been much point other than to be a cheep reference.
A tad. Problem is because I stopped watching TV long ago, I never saw Game of Thrones. (though if I had been just that much more thorough in my research for this review, I should have seen that anyway.) :/
Decker Shado wait... did you just say PAUL McGANN... as in the 8TH INCARNATION OF EVERYONE'S FAVORITE TIME-LORD, THE DOCTOR from the series DOCTOR WHO! HOLY FUCKING ASSBUTTS MADE OF FUCKING CHEESE! This movie just got awesome.
It is pretty depressing but I don't think it's that bad, the biggest beef I have with it is that Clemens (Charles Dance's character) was killed off way too soon. The version I saw had the dog and the chest burster near the end, I preferred those parts, they were more dramatic.
still love both versions of this film still, theatrical cut still like a bit better since i grew up with it. it dosnt deserve the hate as much as i have seen and herd. but people have there own like and opinions.
I've never seen the other version at all, I only have the theatrical version in my collection, but my collection has the Aliens Special Edition, but I know what parts are cut as I saw an Alien marathon on TV
Another good review (though I loved Alien 3, more so the Assembly cut and I don't find sad and depressing endings all that diminishing....cough...Mass Effect 3....cough). But the reason I think that the Assembly cut omitted the chest burster in Ripley's death is because in the whole trilogy it was shown that once the alien bursts out of your chest, your then dead as a door nail. So there can be no way that Ripley is able to hold onto the Alien Queen after it has burst out of her chest. Thats what I think anyway.
The chestburster was added because the final scene mimicked the final scene in Terminator 2. With the two so close together in terms of theater running dates, it was added at the last minute.
Alien: best movie by far in the series Aliens: also pretty good Alien 3: everyone thinks its a piece of crap (but i kinda like it :3) Alien Resurrection: Meh
Alien: great movie, hasn't aged too well but it's a classic Aliens: arguably even better, at least for action fans, also a classic Alien 3: not as good as the first two but still enjoyable Resurrection: dumb but fun, Ripley is hotter than ever and the android girl is too cute AvP: dumber and less fun, but still kinda okay-ish AvP:R: no, just no Prometheus: hell no Covenant: please stop It's almost like every new movie in the series is a little worse than the previous one. Exactly the same as the Predator films, first one's a classic, second is still really good, Predators is kinda decent and The Predator is a complete joke. In every sense of the term.
@@nosfrattirek5690 I was going to say aliens is by far better than alien alien still a classic and a awesome movie but aliens is on another level ! Alien 3 is not bad but it's not great either
As much as i like Hicks bring him to life in that poorly way its just bad Hicks and Newt is dead Colonial Marines is terrible game with terrible script and gamplay
Alien 3 does have an extraordinarily eerie & unsettling soundtrack. the original idea of a wooden spaceship & a community of monks would have made a much more interesting backdrop. u can guess the idea of the alien being called a dragon comes from a more medieval setting of monks & their community. there's a lot of hints left in Alien 3 to what it could have been but much like Jodorowsky's Dune it wasn't meant to be (although HR Giger also worked on that failed version of Dune)
Personally I've always loved Alien 3, and the Assembly cut improves on it in every way [except for removing the chestburster at the end.] For me Alien 3 is second only to Aliens: Special edition, and depending on my mood sometimes even takes first place. I've always been fine with the decision to kill off Newt and Hicks the way they did. While I really liked the characters it continues with theme of Ripley losing even when she beats the xenomorphs. First by sleeping her way through he child's life and death, and then again with losing the only ones she had been able to save. In the end, the universe doesn't give a fuck about what you do, shit happens.
Some of the theatricals I liked better and vice-versa. I'm pretty sure I can see the line pre-cut in the ox where hte chest opens, I also have a problem with an alien coming from a corpse (even in avp). I liked the lack of chestburster at the ending better, although I liked the puppet for it in the original. I'm just glad for some of the ideas that did not make it into the movie. Originally Hicks was suppose to be facehugged, then he dies in flight, the half-formed chestburster climbs out of his mouth and into Ripley's. Michael Bein stopped that for happening for using his likeness, be sure to thank him if you haven't. There was also suppose to be a bunch of EEVs coming from the sulaco, one was suppose to hit Ripley's, making it crash the way it did, before colliding back into the Sulaco - destroying it. Good thing for Aliens: Colonial Marines that that had never occurred, although after playing through that shit I wish it had. There were also a lot of other wierd concepts like the setting being on a space station made of wood with monks instead of prisoners. Such an underwhelming death for Gieger though, falling from a ladder in his own personal library.
its nice to know that i am not the only guy whit long hair, i think i want your hair length. i am 15 seen avp 1 and some predator movies and i look forward to watch the aliens saga in the future. nice video btw.
"you know, i think i noticed the big problem i have with this movie- THE GIANT BLOCK OF CHEESE THAT WE HAVE BEEN SAVING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS." how beautiful it is to accidentally press one of the number buttons on the keyboard.
The Dog Origin is far better for quadrupedal Xenomorph. I'd expect Xenos coming out of a horned animal such as a Rhino or Ox to have horns (as was done with the Rhino and Bull Xenomorphs from the Aliens toy line).
Newt was the favorite character of a lot of people? Genuinely surprised to hear that; she annoyed me and plenty of others I know feel the same. The assembly cut is a fine film btw.
My personal theory is that Bishop put two eggs on the ship. He didn't go into the hive, true, but he had time to go to the Derelict and retrieve two from the cargo hold. I believe they were left in the dropship. During cryosleep, the eggs hatch and sought out living organisms. One facehugged Ripley, the other was going to hug Hicks or Newt but stasis was interrupted. It rode out the trip down to Fury 161 and found a willing ox trollop and tada! That's my head-canon, anyway.
Bishop didn't have time to do that. He specifically stated that the drop ship had about a 50 minute flight time, and a 16 minute window when Ripley was searching for Newt. The movie never established how far Hadley's Hope was from the derelict spaceship, but it stands to reason that if the colony had been there for twenty years and never once discovered the ship in their initial surveys, it must be a far distance away, perhaps even on the other side of the planet. Furthermore, there's no indication that Bishop even knew where the derelict was. There's NO WAY the plot of this movie could have happened, unless, maybe, a wizard did it.
'' IT'S A DRAGON'' XD ahh man that always makes laugh for some unknown reason but you know I have to say as a hardcore Alien fan I truly have my strong views on this film for good or for bad, I always like the doom, depressing apocalyptic tone of this film I think it truly suits the world of alien but yeah I of the most unforgivable things was killing poor Newt ;(( I still cannot get over that but thanks to update on the storyline Hicks never truly died so that is good since, Ripley ,Hick & newt were always my favorite but another aspect I love about this.. underrated horror film is that it had 2 cuts of the same film, making it 2 completely separated films so you can choose which to like more, a depressive cut or a even more depressive cut
decker come on man the burster that came out of the ox is not CGI, is puppetry work! They only used CGI in this movie for the debris effects, this was the last big budget movie to use puppetry work composite to film
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“Fuck” is probably one of the best quotes in the alien series. Just the way it’s delivered and the scene just makes it so perfect.
This is also the perfect response to finding that Alien 3 is what's playing for movie night.
It's a fork 😂
9 years ago? My god, time flies. I love you Decker. Keep up the good work
here's what I found out when you were talking about the author of the novelization:
Originally, Alan Dean Foster wanted his adaptation to differ from the film's script, which he disliked. Chiefly, he wanted to keep Newt alive. According to Foster, "My thought ... was to explain that her capsule was damaged and that she would therefore have to remain in deep sleep until it could be repaired. That way, she remains alive but inactive for the duration of the story, Ripley's motivation to fight to remain alive in order to sustain her is maintained, and Newt's status being iffy (she can live or die at any time) adds another element of suspense to the film." Foster also drew up back stories for many of the inmate characters, to add additional motivation for them.However, the producers responded that he was not permitted to alter the storyline and rejected all of the material he had planned to include. As a result of the experience, Foster later turned down the novelization of Alien Resurrection.
That would have been a thousand times better than killing her off.I know it's probably stupid,but I have a strong aversion to killing children in anything! Unless that kid was the spawn of Satan and had no chance of redemption,you DO NOT kill innocent children!
Very true. And I believe Alan's giving the inmates back stories would have made the story MUCH more enjoyable. I enjoy a lot of good character development, so, the fact that Ripley and the Doctor (forget his name) were pretty much the only ones with a personality (that I could enjoy (or at least stomach)) is what really ruined the movie for me since I really don't think it is nearly as bad as other people think it is. I really just hate the whole "let's rape Ripley" tension that runs for half of the movie. That was (along with what you said) one of my main problems with the movie (since I don't find rape to be a very wholesome watching experience). But, hey, on the plus side, we get Bishop and Weyland (and, yes, while Weyland probably didn't care that much whether Ripley died or not, I like to think that, "No," he screamed out had some human emotion behind it)! That's got to count for something, right? :D RIGHT!? D:
"you DO NOT kill innocent children!"
I don't, but horror movies do
It doesn't even matter to me that she was a child, just the fact that she went through all that crap in Aliens only for them to kill her was bull. I HATE it when movies do that, it's pointless and lazy.
Joey Matheny Pointless and lazy? I think not. Was it a misdirection? Perhaps, but pointless? Uh uh. If you've read the early drafts of the script, you'd know that the whole idea was to make Ripley... miserable. The 'wooden planet' draft was supposed to be her purgatory, and she was supposed to lose EVERYONE she loves, including Hicks AND Newt. So no, it certainly wasn't pointless, and there's enough merit in the story not to be passed off as 'lazy' either.
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Fair enough, that makes sense. I guess I'm just so used to other movie sequels killing the main or side character from the first for no reason. It can and does work, but a lot of movies do it for no reason other than the actor didn't want to be in a sequel,
I LOVE Alien 3 Assembly Cut. The aesthetics and the mood are great, and the characters are very memorable to me.
It cracks me up how 85 attacks the company folks and then gets shot to bits at the end. That's why they call you 85.
Weyland didn't arrive in mere hours, they were set to go once the first transimission was made, hence they instructed Ripley was not to be touched.
I think that the queen face hugger holds two alien embryos one is the queen and the other is a regular alien that could protect the queen as it takes longer to grow.
That actually makes sense, having a second embryo to protect the queen wile she is still in her chestburster state if the alíen dosen’t find another host and also because i think the alien queen takes longer
I always wondered if they were like bees and can make a new queen when needed.
@@brandonjenkins6381 they are, one of the games a xeno turned into the queen eventually after the queen died and so did the other xeno's
Normie :"Aliens 3"
Me, an intellectual: "Alien Cubed"
Lmao
Big brain, that actually knows the name of the movie: "Alien³"
It's funny as a kid when I saw the title for this movie. That's exactly what I commented when I saw that!😂😂
Alien Triangled more like.
"good guy with acid blood" is something that hapens in the next movie.
ridley almanson Oh my god I didn't even realize XD
bad gal with acid blood
Surprised that he put in an antifungal stance in the video lol. I still want a smart gun doe
Decker, you're honestly the best reviewer of movies on UA-cam. Bloody amazing stuff. In depth knowledge, with some of the funniest jokes I've heard in reviews. Keep at it.
The Bambi Burster wasn't CGI, they used a rod puppet and composited it into the shot. I think the shadow is CGI though if I'm remembering properly.
And that's the hilarious part, that it looks so startlingly 'uncanny valley' that our brains just go 'ahh very dated CGI'.... even tho it isn't.
21:30 on the plus side, there wasn't a self destruct set off at the end ... the infrastructure was left in amazing shape compared to the first 2 movies
"The only way to stop the bad guy with acid blood is with a good guy with acid blood."
Decker inadvertently exposing the thought process in the writing room for Resurrection 🤣🤣🤣
You know as far as "keeping Ripley strong" goes, she did get attacked by about six men... I mean, that's how dudes get raped in prison, so I don't see why Ripley would get super powers to stave that off.
Agreed, plus she didn’t just submit and give up, she struggled and screamed and fought, I think her notable strength was her toughness in these situations and her ability to push through her fear and survive
"Pissed off" doesn't mean drunk in British English. "Pissed", however, does.
I why gonna say the same thing. Our language can be kinda weird to foreigners though.
@@dabspur8761 like the difference between "BOLLOCKS!" and "the dog's bollocks"
I'm not mad I'm just FUCKING MAD! Is there really a big difference? No......the answer is no!
They both mean drunk to Americans.
I highly recommend reading the original script for this movie cause it is awesome and would've made an extremely better movie then what we got
I was gonna say “the alien might be eating a ton so that it can pupate into a new queen” because I believe any alien can become a queen given resources and enough time but ripley also had the “Queen chestburster” and my whole thing went out the window
O...M...G. THANK YOU!!! Everything you say is spot on. HATED that they killed anybody we cared about in the opening scenes. HATED the bad special effects (it totally took me out of the film). HATED that I didn't care anything about any of the characters except Ripley of course. My biggest peeve? How the hell did the alien queen from Aliens get her eggs into the inside of the escape ship; and if she did, how the hell did Ripley or anyone else not notice??? UGH. The worst. Thanks again!
That's reason enough to discount the canonicity of the third film.
I suppose you could argue that a survival mechanism allowed the Queen to make just one egg without her full sac but yeah.
jetohu I personally enjoy the dark themes. The first movie is birth, the second movie is motherhood and the third movie is death. Resurrection is purgatory I guess(?) and AVP requiem is hell.
I like the approach of that early shock leading to Ripley having nothing left to live for except killing the Alien in the prison and in her body. I think it takes balls to kill off the series main character and I think Resurrection cheapened the impact of Ripley’s death.
If you want a separate believable head canon you should check out the dark horse comic series. There is a big chunk of it that covers Newt,Hicks and Ripley post-Aliens.
Edit: PS if you haven’t seen the extended cut of the film I highly recommend you do. They literally add in a solid 35 minutes along with other changes that make for a better film.
In fact pretending that d queen could reproduce once she detached from her full sac, it's just like a woman giving birth without her uterus. IMPOXIBLE.
I swear to god you are part of weird al yankovichs blood line
He does!😂😂😂😂
He does look like him!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And part Adrian Brody. #ThatsAStrongNose
He looks like one of my cousins.
BELLA you look like my cat FrumpO
They mostly come out at night... Mostly.
Charles Dance was SOOOOO GOOOOD in this, and Dutton was excellent as well. Best casting job in all of the films.
“Big hard drive in the sky”
Could’ve said “the cloud” or “the sever”
What a missed opportunity Decker!
Doesn't have the same intonation. "The big [location] in the sky" is a long-used terminology for Heaven. For example, all the prisoners went to "the big prison in the sky"...
It always pissed me off that they killed off Newt especially after all that shit Ripley went through to rescue her in the previous film, plus I really liked her character.
Your reviews are better than some of the movies you’re reviewing. Your no bullshit humor really works, really enjoying it. Just wish you would slow the end scrawl by about 20%.
The rape scene helped giving some humanity to Ripley. A vulnerability we haven't seen since Alien, and even then that was all but gone in the final act.
Here, she's not superhuman. She cannot overpower 6 muscular men pumped up on hormones and the anger their genetic defect gives them. She's a rather slender woman, not even a day out of crysleep, that has spent most of that day doing heavy and exhausting work, while being traumatized for the second time in, for her, short notice.
Of course she wouldn't be able to wiggle her way out of that one.
morphman86 Agreed, but at least give her the brain she had, by giving her the instinctive urges to warn someone beforehand, bring a weapon, (ANYTHING), or even just have her go with someone else. Have that person be incapacitated first and then boom, her also being defeated is a logical line of events, unlike us HEARING a guy telling her "I am a murderer and rapist of womens" and yet she thinks a planet full of these ain't but a stroll in a park during daytime? She should have known better by the third fu*king movie/crisis in a row!
"pissed off" DO mean angry and annoyed in England, "pissed" on its own means "drunk"
maybe he heard "pissed up" ? lol. but yeah. for sure it's "pissed off" he shouts. :D
DOES mean, ffs..
@@professorplunge7705 Who ever said "pissed up"..
@@afrog2666 @17:31 the guy in the film shouts "pissed off". Decker assumes "drunk" if true English is your first language. I.e not American English then you'll know pissed off sounds like 'pissed up'. Which over here means drunk.
Its so depressing to watch after the first 2 films.
I still prefer this to Resurrection though.
8:18 goddamn I love Charles Dance in this movie for that line delivery alone.
Try Last Action Hero
@@chrisperrien7055 one of my childhood favorites haha.
As badass as Ripley is, I never got the impression she would be able to fight off 4 grown men with her bare hands.
Very fair, except maybe Resurrection. (As much as we try to ignore that movie)
@@slandracon3853 for sure. But Ripley wasn't exactly human in that film.
At the 17:40 mark of the video, an inmate calls the alien "Is really pissed off!" which you then refer that he meant the alien is drunk. Because of British actors. I must correct that we British say just "Pissed" to say drunk, as "pissed off" means angry as fuck.
Still, great review.
I was just about to write that, then I saw your comment. LOL
Are you taking the piss?
Yu know de wae.
Yeah, that ought to confuse any American.
Not that difficult. The meaning of the word changes depending on the context it's uses in.
I always assumed the company was on there way after the first message, the message that there was a queen in riply was recieved while already in transit to Fury.
How to enjoy Alien 3: Pretend the events of the film take place inside one of Ripley's cryosleep dreams.
Mr Strontium then she goes to therapy.
That would be a traumatizing dream lol
Thank you for this
I think you shouldda kept the couch man. It made you more relatable. And gives the vids an intimate feel. Is probably annoying getting lots of 'advice' tho. I enjoy your work 🤘
I know Decker doesn't much like this movie, but I think it helped cement an essential part of the Aliens franchise - the nihilistic plot. The world and universe is as monstrous as the aliens themselves, and I like that aspect of it. The first one had nihilistic tones between Ripley's inability to flee the alien even by destroying the Nostromo and the surrounding universe not caring about her struggles or well-being, but because they were isolated they were in this little microcosm separate from the rest of humanity. In Aliens it was the same thing, only with more aliens, and Ripley was kind of like a beacon in the darkness and restoring order and goodness to the world. In Alien 3 all of her struggles and misery amounts to nothing, because as soon as the doors open and Weyland-Yutani runs in, everyone still dies. Including her. It feels a lot more miserable, makes the movies more horrifying, and it feels like the kind of environment a creature like the alien could thrive in.
Happy to see this back up! I was so upset when the review was flagged/under review,
Poor Newt....
angewomon143 I'm curious to see if she'll be back in the new film, perhaps in an alternate universe.
That would be interesting!
Steven Cohen hopefully it will, since the new film is going to completely ignore the event of Alien 3
to them, alien 3 is a alternate universe story you see?
DRAGOTH BELMONT I wonder how they'll address Ripley and Hicks' respective ages. Supposedly, Alien 5 is going to be a direct sequel to Aliens. Sigourney Weaver still looks great, but I don't think she can pass as a thirty-year-old woman. Oh well, I'm looking forward to seeing it. :)
Litshttam You're probably right. Personally, I'd love to see Newt resurrected somehow, but I have doubts about this new film. Perhaps Fox would accept the notion of an alternate timeline (sort of like what J.J. Abrams did with Star Trek) , but that is becoming cliche. Also, we've seen so much of the aliens by now that we've become desensitized. I don't think Blomkamp will be able to make an Alien movie that is truly scary.
8:13 I love that one piece of script. Sounds like a proper dialogue chat.
6:20 How does a live chestburster develope inside the carcass of a dead ox?
7:50 That poor man just went all to pieces :-)
Really? Complaining that Ripley's "strong character" was poisoned because she can't overpower 5 men that are bigger than her? I love you Decker, but come on dude.
thought exactly the same thing - a woman is not weak because a bunch of guys try to gangbang her
It's almost like she's on a planet of isolated men who haven't seen a woman in years or potentially decades or something, but god forbid the most likely scenario happen and establish that you can't trust these people and create a good setting for a slasher film to play out.
This is where we insert one of Decker's loud face palms.
Antichrist2000 yeah because using a powerloader to beat the crap out of a queen xenomorph isn't badass or anything. After going through the shit Ripley has, you would start to develop a don't give a shit attitude. With a xeno running around the last thing on her mind are the inmates potentially wanting to rape her.
@Adam Oh Strawman, strawman, why are you so fallible?
I think it was more how her character needed to be saved, and she didn't even really get to put up a fight. Unfortunately, if a human sees another human ravaged, they tend to see them as weaker.
I love the reviews and I'm really digging the way you're rocking those Metroid shirts.
This is the second video so I had to mention it, the most prevalent form of the “pissed” means mad or furious, obviously whether an Englishman says it or not, I’m sure he knows both connotations.
I just noticed that the doctor is Tywin Lannister sweet.
Deker: I like watching that scene, sue me.
Fox: poor choice of words.
LOL. All these people insisting the Alien franchise is supposed to end dark and depressing... It makes me wonder if they paid attention to the themes.
Alien theme: story of how one lone survivor loses her crew but overcomes drastic odds and outsmarts the 'perfect biological weapon'
Aliens' theme : story of how one lone survivor finds personal redemption by saving a child and overcoming her worse fears by taking down the Bitch
Alien 3: story of how one lone survivor was better off dying with her original crew since she a) fails to save this new crew b) loses her loved ones c) dies to her worse fear, and d) fails to save the world since the alien gets cloned anyway
Only one of these has a dark and depressing theme. Take a guess which one. >_>
I agree. I'm a child of the seventies and had the benefit of watching films and television series in which strong, independent women were becoming prominent. Ellen Ripley was, in my opinion, the greatest heroine to ever show up on a movie screen. I have yet to see a film in which the audience cheered the way they did in Aliens.
Alien 3 had some good elements to it, but personally, I think it was a huge slap in the face to fans of the first two films. I'll take the theme of women overcoming the odds over that of nihilism any day.
To people who say that having Ripley fall into molten lead with a monstrosity bursting out of her chest was the perfect ending for her, I would emphatically say no. Having her return safely to Earth to raise Newt was the ending she deserved and should have gotten.
dantespimp lol All these idiot fanboys crying about how their precious Alien franchise is ruined by the artistic vision of several cooks making a bad soup, a soup that, by the way, had a potentially intelligent existential story behind it that most haters are obviously too biased or stupid to bother comprehending. lmao
dantespimp I'm not here to argue, but please do yourself a favor and go watch the video made by Movie Defense Force on Alien 3 (just type in "Movie Defense Force Alien 3" in the search bar). He made a compelling argument on the discussion, particularly your point about how the franchise wasn't supposed to end dark and depressing:
"First of all, screw pair of them - Newt is annoying, and Hicks is boring - but more importantly, I feel their deaths is a crucial part to the Alien mythos, as it sends a long-running and important message: The Aliens. Always. Win. This has always been a part of the series' story. Weyland Yutani tried to control the xenomorphs and they failed. Marines tried to kill the xenomorphs and they failed. The Alien is a force of nature and it cannot be manipulated or stopped. Ripley finds out they also cannot be escaped. The Alien always wins, and Alien 3 delivered that message like a sledgehammer blow.
Now, some argued that this renders her rescue of Newt point - but I disagree. First of all, everything we do in life is pointless if you think death renders what you do without meaning, and secondly, Newt died as peaceful a death as anybody could hope for in that universe - she's been rescued from forced impregnation and then birth by chest-explosion. For all intents and purposes, Ripley succeeded in saving Newt from one of the most horrific deaths imaginable, and now she had to die a better one. A small victory in a lost war, maybe, but it was a victory. And given how awful Newt's fate could have been, it absolutely made the events in Aliens worth it.
Ultimately, the series has always been about loss. Loss of friends, loss of family. Ripley lost everything, and Alien 3 eventually saw her lose her own life. This is always Ellen Ripley's story. The xenomorphs took everything from her, and all she could do in return was try and take them with her. It's a beautiful story. A tragic one, but beautiful. If any franchise would do right by life by admitting that we don't all get happy Hollywood endings, Alien was the franchise to do it - end it with balls.
This is reinforced with the death of Clemens: After we spent the film liking him and just after he gives Ripley his entire tragic backstory, he's immediately executed by the Alien, because the Alien doesn't care. It doesn't care that is to share his story with Ripley. It doesn't care how much the audience might identify with him. Just because he's part of the plot, it doesn't mean he get invincibility license. This makes the Alien a credible threat again, so that anybody is free to die at that point. Again, this is what the Alien franchise is about - the Alien doesn't care who you are. You know the line: "It's unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." To take that threat seriously, important people can't be invulnerable for the sake of it.
***** Yes, I'm aware of the soup. But happily tasting/requesting seconds of soup made from tainted sausage is no better than fanboys demanding the check. Fox execs dumped all over the artistic visions of many good writers and promising stories because it didn't sound 'profitable'. When time was up for the script, they ended mixing this with that (similar to writing an essay two hours before it's due lol). Even in production stages, they were still editing and trying to figure shit out. The vision you see in Alien is more of David Fincher trying to make turkey sandwich out of leftovers from 4 different meals. Fincher was brilliant and its because of his use of editing, way of shooting the film, and trying to amplify dark elements that Alien 3 was decent. I would've gladly accept Alien 3's entry if it had been written with an artistic vision in mind (not the result of editing and improv decisions). If Newt and Hicks were meant to die, so be it. If Ripley was meant to die, so be it. But the decisions to kill them off was never an intended move from the start, just a decision based on how to 'push the envelope' with cheap deaths because the overall story was still in limbo-land. It resulted in poor execution and plot holes (Where did the Alien eggs come from? Why didn't the company simply take the eggs from the start if they knew about them all along as Bishop insinuated? It all seemed like the work of a fanfic writer who didn't bother covering the basics) Hill and Carroll kept dancing the two-step back and forth; unable to decide whether they wanted an Cameron-like film or Ridley Scott film. And no writer satisfied them. Even the really cool monastery plot Alien 3 ended up borrowing from got hacked to bits due to time constraints (from Fox exes dicking around too much before finally coming up with something). When the film got released and failed to receive box office success, they made Fincher the scapegoat. Respect the 'artistic vision' of those assholes? Pft. Nope. Respect Fincher and the people who managed to salvage something from shit? Yep. But in no way did Alien 3 convey a worthwhile vision to be applauded. The only vision that existed by the end of Alien 3's credits was the vision of dollar signs Hill and Carroll hoped to see.
Kason Lyger Movie Defense Force Alien 3 has its own interpretation of the that film. I respect that. But it's not the end-all interpretation. My interpretation is based off mythical archetypes of the hero and their journey. More specifically, the journey the hero endures and the ultimate theme that follows in previous material. Both Alien and Aliens revolve around the theme of survival horror (emphasis on 'survival'). Only Alien 3 turned it into a SAW-like survival horror where there was no chance of the hero winning (playing on the theme of Irony/Fate). Worse, with Alien Resurrection, it demonstrated that all of Ripley's efforts had gone in vain since the Alien race still survived.
Returning back to the previous themes of Alien 1 and Alien 2, yes it was about Ripley's story. And that story came to full circle after the credits of Cameron's Aliens. Ripley breathed life into this desolate alien world as a lone survivor. Even among her crew in Alien 1, she was bit of an outsider. She saw her crew killed one by one and nearly bit the dust. But Ripley was a survivor and she endured those trials. By Alien 2, Ripley was still in hell. Her nightmares made it impossible for her to live. It was on her to face her torments one last time and see to it that she 'didn't end up like all the others'. She succeeded. And not only that, saved lives.
If we're going to talk about plot and themes, then we better acknowledge character plot devices. I'll be honest, I discarded Move Defense's assessment the moment they dismissed Newt's relevance, mostly because Newt's role is extremely pivotal. Let's set aside the fact she's a beloved fan favorite or is 'boring'. That doesn't really matter at all. Rather, let's focus on her role in the OVERALL story arc for Ripley. Newt's story parallels Ripley's own tale. Through Newt, Ripley gains redemption (an important step for the hero). Ripley doesn't really forgive herself for failing to save her crew from the previous film. And she doesn't forgive herself for leaving her child behind during her extended sleep. Ripley lost everything. Ripley survives but can't dream. Through Newt, we see her personal struggles echoed (surviving but being alienated, sleeping but being unable to dream). They are both survivors of a horror. But while they breathe, they can't really live. By the end of Aliens, though, Ripley not only overcomes her nightmare, but gains redemption from Newt. The losses she has suffered now gain a balance and the hero's journey is complete. The fact that Cameron leaves the two to sleep in space is an important metaphor. Both return to the cosmos' black womb, but now with a sense of peace.
Alien 3's quick dismissal of Newt pretty much dumped all of that out the window. It wasn't even to make a statement, but to make a quick buck with cheap deaths. But aside from that aspect, Alien 3 isn't about Ripley's story anymore; it's about Fate now (Fate being presented in the face of the Alien). If Ripley ever found redemption Fate will simply take it away. If Ripley sacrificed herself, Fate will just laugh at her efforts (Aliens survive anyway). This type of uncompromising theme is more in line with today's slasher films like SAW, which begs the question: why even bother? If the Alien franchise was all about Fate from the start, then why waste audience's time with two movies showcasing a character that DEFIED Fate? Why spend an entire film finding redemption when Fate will swoop in and kill you and your 'redemption' off?
The Final Destination sequels will testify how fast this formula/path becomes pointless.Fate films are only great if they don't abruptly pull the rug from under you, laugh at your surprised reaction, and then expect you to take them seriously. The quick dismissal of crucial plot devices (Newt) was definitely a rug pull. And the decision behind it felt more like a 'lets make a quick buck' and 'I ran outta ideas so lets kill this one off and start from scratch' decision, than 'let's take this into a fresh different different and execute this smartly'. I commend Fincher for scraping whatever he could to make a decent film. But when we're discussing hero archetypes and themes, Alien 3 falls short because it can't decide which direction to take things. If we're talking about getting rid of 'Hollywood endings' cliches by resorting to Fate, then the whole scene of Ripley's sacrifice was one giant cliche and a cop-out. Her death served no purpose in the bigger picture since the Aliens are still alive in Alien Resurrection. So nothing for her character comes in full circles, no real character development or additional journeys to evolve her character. We're only left with a half-committed ending.
Ok, I’m gonna say it. Ripley is set upon by five hardened convicts, she has NO formal military or martial arts training, so her being overpowered and almost raped, being saved by yet ANOTHER hardened criminal, and her response, other than breaking down and crying, or running and cowering behind her rescuer, is to punch the living crap out of one of her attackers with a single blow. HOW THE HELL DOES THIS DIMINISH HER BADASS STATUS?!? That’s just stupid.
Very underrated movie. One of my favourite Alien films. Not quite as good as Alien or Aliens but the Assembly cut makes it so much better.
1 month ago I whent to go see the H R Giger museum and im so glad I did, its very interesting and his art is quite fascinating
Myself and a number of other fans agree to this Headcanon that Alien³ never happened this way
Ripley and Hicks hooked up, and adopted Newt, and essentially grew into a Nuclear Family version of a ragtag team of Mercenaries that slum around the systems and blow the everloving fuck out of Xenos
Funny how Paul McGann was in this movie and was also the 8th Doctor in Doctor Who. Then years later, it turns out the 12th Doctor's never seen Alien
Makes it funnier tbh
The only 3d cgi used in this movie was the Alien's skull cracking in the last part.
Everything else was robots, stop-motion and puppetry.
+Paul Staker In the specail edtion, the dog-alien comming out of the ox was CG.
animalman57 Looks like a puppet to me. And if that was CGI, then it was pretty effective CGI.
+Paul Staker Sorry, I meant running from the ox after being born.
animalman57 I guess it's something that was made especially for the special edition, not something that was made during the movie's production and then got scrapped.
I know, I just mentioned I messed up.
Well, Ripley did end up on a prison planet with exclusively men who haven’t seen a woman in years. I believe that the prisoners loosing control and potentially fighting and killing each other to get to her and/ or doing horrible things to her would certainly be a concern.
A while back I picked up Dark Horse's Aliens the Essential Comics V.1 which is a collection of stories that continued the story of Newt and Hicks after the events of Aliens before Alien 3 was released killing off their characters thus rendering these stories non-canon. Despite some problems and issues with the writing these comics are still better then Alien 3 and hell Resurrection cause they continued to further explore and utilize their characters instead of killing them off like they were nothing.
I have never seen the regular version only the directors cut which yes I'm calling it that
I wouldn't hate this movie so much if they didn't kill off Newt at the beginning.
I know this movie is a disappointment. But hey, I still appreciate it, still 1000x better than Alien: Resurrection
+Elias Gonzalez I like them both.
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I liked Alien: Resurrection a lot more than this movie. But this movie was ok too. In my opinion nothing tops Aliens.
I agree Alien 3 is better then resurrection
Yeah I think that Resurrection is at least a okay action movie but I find a hard time even watching 3.
Alien 3 is a good film I don't get why so many hated the fact of Newt and Hicks. 1st off Newt was killed off mainly bc of the setting, she would have been assaulted by the prisoners on Fury 161. 2 Hicks supposly survives in Aliens Colonial Marines. Alien 3 is underrated. Just like Terminator 3 is underrated. Awsome film.
If it were a standalone movie with a similar script... it probably would have been a good movie... not great, but good. The issue was that it was the third act standing in the shadows of Alien and Aliens, both of which are still considered some of the best films of their respective genres. As a result, people hate Alien3 because it fails to live up to the franchise.
In other words... its a good movie... it just isn't a good "Alien" movie.
Alien 3 is terrible, just like Terminator 3 is terrible.
How to fix the newt problem: simple DONT SET IT ON A FUCKING PRISON PLANET!!!!
I doubt they would have had her get raped, so i dunno if they considered that
I am rewatching these and enjoy a lot!
Hey, Decker! I've come to the realisation that Isaac Clarke, and Ripley, share some character traits. Who of the two do you think would win in a battle of survival?
Issac since he fought several necromorphs on his own and also the eye poke machine.
@@AxisChurchDevoteeHis armour is pretty staunch too! Advanced Suit for the win!
i remember seeing a trailer for alien 3 on the aliens special edition VHS way back and beeing so hyped it was a teaser so was really expecting aliens 2 on earth ,so dissapointed by alien 3 ,but i do really quite like the assembly cut
"a combination mining and prison planet, so pretty much like any minecraft server out there"
Uh Decker. A "good guy " with a gun has been a highly effective way to stop a " bad guy" with a gun for several hundred years. Better than a "good guy" with a twinkie.
Alien Cubed would be an interesting movie idea. Cube/Alien crossover.
One prevailing theory about why the bambi-burster is more advanced than a human or yautja-based chestburster: The Facehugger does not lay an egg or implant an embryo as many think. Instead, it injects a liquid containing the xenomorphs' DNA, which causes a tumor that develops into the burster, using the hoast's DNA for environmental adaptations. Additionally, most species' young are born in a much more capable state than that of young primates, birds, or marsupials. Add onto that the fact that most species also have a higher metabolism than humanoids. Combined, these suggest that a burster from most species would be better-formed than the humanod-born chestbursters.
This movie gets better with every new alien film.
Great review! Though you misspoke on something. The most meaningful deaths in the film up to that point were Newt, Hicks, and (technically) Bishop. :P
You answered your question. They got the lifepod data and scrambled immediately. Possibly from a closer colony. They got the bioscan of Ripley while on the way.
I actually like the theatrical cut. Though you're right, the guy's performance and the whole capture alien scene was a nice addition. Plus it explains where the hell Morris got that gash on the back of his head.
Cremation is actually a very honorific thing
A lot of Nordic cultures burn their dead in order to make sure their fallen comrades make it to Valhalla
Decker, YOU are a gun guy. So I wouldn't be too hard on them
3:14, Thank god Agent 47 is on this planet! He'll show those xenos what for!
Also when did the alien queen from the last movie have time to lay an egg on the ship? (she was in the landing gear the whole time) How did she do it? (she lost her egg sack)
Unless otherwise noted, it seems plainly clear that the alien egg was contrived for the sake of the plot. And that contrivance led to two beloved characters being killed off unceremoniously as well as the inevitable death of Ripley. That's probably one major reason why folks don't like this one as much as the first two. It's not that it's dark, it's that it's meaninglessly dark.
Wait? They cut out the scene where the alien queen bursts through Ripleys chest just before she fall into the furnace? WTF that was the greatest scene in this movie! FUCK THIS SHIT MAN!
Han Solo
But its symbolic, I like it. :)
It was stupid and cheesy.
Oddly,.. even as a kid, this was my favorite. I liked the dark theme, and the characters are interesting. When i found out about other people hating it i've always wondered why. Opinions are subjective for sure, but imagine what it could have been with that extra 7million that was flushed down the drain. but, I like it as is anyway :P and it was completely practical,. but for 1 shot. therefore I
Has anyone complained to you that you didn't mention that Charles Dance went on to play Tywin Lannister in Game of Thrones, on a side note one of the other prisoners played by Clive Mantle would go on to portray Lord Greatjon Umber Game of Thrones, then again there probably wouldn't have been much point other than to be a cheep reference.
A tad. Problem is because I stopped watching TV long ago, I never saw Game of Thrones. (though if I had been just that much more thorough in my research for this review, I should have seen that anyway.) :/
Decker Shado wait... did you just say PAUL McGANN... as in the 8TH INCARNATION OF EVERYONE'S FAVORITE TIME-LORD, THE DOCTOR from the series DOCTOR WHO!
HOLY FUCKING ASSBUTTS MADE OF FUCKING CHEESE! This movie just got awesome.
+Michael Saylor That would be a fun twist.
Dr Who saves Ripply from the alien and goes on adventures in the TARDIS
So what Paul McGann was The Doctor and I don’t really care about that.
It is pretty depressing but I don't think it's that bad, the biggest beef I have with it is that Clemens (Charles Dance's character) was killed off way too soon. The version I saw had the dog and the chest burster near the end, I preferred those parts, they were more dramatic.
still love both versions of this film still, theatrical cut still like a bit better since i grew up with it. it dosnt deserve the hate as much as i have seen and herd. but people have there own like and opinions.
I've never seen the other version at all, I only have the theatrical version in my collection, but my collection has the Aliens Special Edition, but I know what parts are cut as I saw an Alien marathon on TV
Heard* herd means a "Herd" of Animals or a Herd of Humans.
My favorite of the tetralogy. And no, I am fine with Newt biting it. This is the Alien tetralogy , NOT teletubbies !
Another good review (though I loved Alien 3, more so the Assembly cut and I don't find sad and depressing endings all that diminishing....cough...Mass Effect 3....cough).
But the reason I think that the Assembly cut omitted the chest burster in Ripley's death is because in the whole trilogy it was shown that once the alien bursts out of your chest, your then dead as a door nail. So there can be no way that Ripley is able to hold onto the Alien Queen after it has burst out of her chest.
Thats what I think anyway.
The chestburster was added because the final scene mimicked the final scene in Terminator 2. With the two so close together in terms of theater running dates, it was added at the last minute.
Alien: best movie by far in the series
Aliens: also pretty good
Alien 3: everyone thinks its a piece of crap (but i kinda like it :3)
Alien Resurrection: Meh
AvP > 3
Aliens is the perfect sequal to a movie i have ever seen.
Alien: great movie, hasn't aged too well but it's a classic
Aliens: arguably even better, at least for action fans, also a classic
Alien 3: not as good as the first two but still enjoyable
Resurrection: dumb but fun, Ripley is hotter than ever and the android girl is too cute
AvP: dumber and less fun, but still kinda okay-ish
AvP:R: no, just no
Prometheus: hell no
Covenant: please stop
It's almost like every new movie in the series is a little worse than the previous one. Exactly the same as the Predator films, first one's a classic, second is still really good, Predators is kinda decent and The Predator is a complete joke. In every sense of the term.
@@nosfrattirek5690 I was going to say aliens is by far better than alien alien still a classic and a awesome movie but aliens is on another level !
Alien 3 is not bad but it's not great either
Aliens>Alien. Alien³ is better than the idiots say. Resurrection? Yeah no.
I like that Colonial Marines did something right... They retconned Hicks's death and Hicks is alive some where.
The only good thing to come out of that shit game
I completely agree. While I did enjoy the game, my favorite thing is the fact that Hicks is alive
As much as i like Hicks bring him to life in that poorly way its just bad Hicks and Newt is dead Colonial Marines is terrible game with terrible script and gamplay
I follow Alien Theory; he reads the Alien Accounts of the Earth War comics. I wasn't aware of them, and Hicks is alive in it.
Good channel too.
As we uncover towards the end it picks them up, because it protects its queen, it does not hunt them for eating as only reason ;).
Alien 3 does have an extraordinarily eerie & unsettling soundtrack.
the original idea of a wooden spaceship & a community of monks would have made a much more interesting backdrop. u can guess the idea of the alien being called a dragon comes from a more medieval setting of monks & their community. there's a lot of hints left in Alien 3 to what it could have been but much like Jodorowsky's Dune it wasn't meant to be (although HR Giger also worked on that failed version of Dune)
Yes the exta half hour of this cluster fuck makes it much better. The Assembly cut is the much superior verson.
Personally I've always loved Alien 3, and the Assembly cut improves on it in every way [except for removing the chestburster at the end.]
For me Alien 3 is second only to Aliens: Special edition, and depending on my mood sometimes even takes first place.
I've always been fine with the decision to kill off Newt and Hicks the way they did. While I really liked the characters it continues with theme of Ripley losing even when she beats the xenomorphs. First by sleeping her way through he child's life and death, and then again with losing the only ones she had been able to save.
In the end, the universe doesn't give a fuck about what you do, shit happens.
Baby Alien looked adorable in a strange twisted way
Some of the theatricals I liked better and vice-versa. I'm pretty sure I can see the line pre-cut in the ox where hte chest opens, I also have a problem with an alien coming from a corpse (even in avp). I liked the lack of chestburster at the ending better, although I liked the puppet for it in the original. I'm just glad for some of the ideas that did not make it into the movie. Originally Hicks was suppose to be facehugged, then he dies in flight, the half-formed chestburster climbs out of his mouth and into Ripley's. Michael Bein stopped that for happening for using his likeness, be sure to thank him if you haven't. There was also suppose to be a bunch of EEVs coming from the sulaco, one was suppose to hit Ripley's, making it crash the way it did, before colliding back into the Sulaco - destroying it. Good thing for Aliens: Colonial Marines that that had never occurred, although after playing through that shit I wish it had. There were also a lot of other wierd concepts like the setting being on a space station made of wood with monks instead of prisoners.
Such an underwhelming death for Gieger though, falling from a ladder in his own personal library.
its nice to know that i am not the only guy whit long hair, i think i want your hair length. i am 15 seen avp 1 and some predator movies and i look forward to watch the aliens saga in the future. nice video btw.
"you know, i think i noticed the big problem i have with this movie- THE GIANT BLOCK OF CHEESE THAT WE HAVE BEEN SAVING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS."
how beautiful it is to accidentally press one of the number buttons on the keyboard.
The Dog Origin is far better for quadrupedal Xenomorph. I'd expect Xenos coming out of a horned animal such as a Rhino or Ox to have horns (as was done with the Rhino and Bull Xenomorphs from the Aliens toy line).
Newt was the favorite character of a lot of people? Genuinely surprised to hear that; she annoyed me and plenty of others I know feel the same. The assembly cut is a fine film btw.
Am I the only 1 who when they read the title of the movie with its style of font that it says "alien cubed" or "alien 2 the 3ed power"?
My personal theory is that Bishop put two eggs on the ship. He didn't go into the hive, true, but he had time to go to the Derelict and retrieve two from the cargo hold. I believe they were left in the dropship. During cryosleep, the eggs hatch and sought out living organisms. One facehugged Ripley, the other was going to hug Hicks or Newt but stasis was interrupted. It rode out the trip down to Fury 161 and found a willing ox trollop and tada! That's my head-canon, anyway.
Travis Gates did you not play colonial marines?
+Thatemoturtle I did, but I wasn't a fan.
+Travis Gates No one was.
Thatemoturtle I haven't. What happened in Colonial Marines?
Bishop didn't have time to do that. He specifically stated that the drop ship had about a 50 minute flight time, and a 16 minute window when Ripley was searching for Newt. The movie never established how far Hadley's Hope was from the derelict spaceship, but it stands to reason that if the colony had been there for twenty years and never once discovered the ship in their initial surveys, it must be a far distance away, perhaps even on the other side of the planet. Furthermore, there's no indication that Bishop even knew where the derelict was. There's NO WAY the plot of this movie could have happened, unless, maybe, a wizard did it.
What a fun review!
Superintendent Andrews'/Brian Glover's death scene is so fun!
All the running up and down in corridors in this film made it seem like Scooby doo
'' IT'S A DRAGON''
XD ahh man that always makes laugh for some unknown reason
but you know I have to say as a hardcore Alien fan
I truly have my strong views on this film
for good or for bad, I always like the doom, depressing apocalyptic tone of this film
I think it truly suits the world of alien
but yeah I of the most unforgivable things was killing poor Newt
;(( I still cannot get over that
but thanks to update on the storyline Hicks never truly died
so that is good since, Ripley ,Hick & newt were always my favorite
but another aspect I love about this.. underrated horror film
is that it had 2 cuts of the same film, making it 2 completely separated films
so you can choose which to like more, a depressive cut or a even more depressive cut
Si Decker...How does Ripley not being able to fight off 4 larger attackers make her " meek and helpless"? I'd say" realistic " instead.
0:31 "Sexy Alien" is a Xenomorph I wouldn't mind "exploring" 😏
decker come on man the burster that came out of the ox is not CGI, is puppetry work! They only used CGI in this movie for the debris effects, this was the last big budget movie to use puppetry work composite to film
subscribed to this channel because of this review
Alan Dean Foster didn't quit doing movie novelizations altogether, he just refused to do any more Alien novelizations.
Im glad to know that that scene of Ripley with the Runner Xenomorph wasn't CGI its just like the alien queen she wasnt CGI either
+Valynaz Valkynaz Yes, but the difference is the alien queen looked good.
The Cheeze Warrior good point
I would totally be that guy in the cafeteria holding a chair before screaming "FUCK!"
That line is the best part of the movie. Dude just sees the red paste left of the guy and cue delayed reaction: FUCK!