Zendejas is still a legend here in Tucson, really the whole Zendejas brood. The NFL chapter of his career isn't really talked about. Great video again!
I’m going to post this in Washington groups on Facebook hopefully they all check out your videos about the team so much info and entertainment thank you
Regarding Moseley as well - and I have been a die hard Redskins fan since 1974 - another factor is when Theismann broke his leg, Moseley lost his holder and never looked comfortable with the new holder.
@@donaldpaluga no question about that. Moseley was going to decline at some point. He was very good in 1984; 1985 was 11-15 with Joe T as holder and 11-19 with Schroeder as holder and then plenty awful in 1986 as a Redskin - though pretty decent as a Brown albeit with short FG attempts.
Yep. When Joe went down... Mark was never the same. Kickers are creatures of habit. When they lose a snapper or holder--it screws up their timing. I think that's why teams got away from having starting QBs as holders.
@@donaldpaluga Yeah, if memory serves, Moseley was the football equivalent of a living fossil by the mid 1980s, insofar as he was the last regular kicker to use the straight-on style (I think Steve Cox, primarily a punter, did straight on kicking for a few tries a few years later, but that was about it).
I recall he used to have a place called Moseley's Burgers (slogan: "It's Good!") right by where I grew up in Northern Virginia and I think that's what got him into franchising with Five Guys.
The Cowboys vs Washington. It reminds me of some of the great rivalries in sports, like the Celtics vs Los Angeles, Red Sox vs New York, Raiders vs Pittsburgh, Dodgers vs San Francisco, Pistons vs Chicago.
The same thing pretty much happened in 2020, with the Saints taking Tommy Stevens in the seventh round for no other reason than the Panthers wanted to sign him as an undrafted. While it's a seventh round pick and basically the whole league screws around with them anyway (preferring to go the UFA route), Mr. Irrelevant Tae Crowder became a starter with the Giants last year. Stevens ended up with the Panthers anyway, and played in a game (against the Saints cause, of course). He's now in the CFL. So this practice hardly ended in '86, in fact you could even carry it over to free agency--which could be a near-future vid
As a former kicker, let me tell you that kicking is like your golf swing. A mental block can form easily and it can be catastrophic. I wasn’t watching football when this guy was around, but I feel like that’s what happened to Roberto Aguayo.
Didn't Morten Anderson kick for about 3 centuries? I was still in high school when he started kicking in the NFL and didn't retire until I was 42. Hell, by the time he retired not only was I 42 but I was on my 2nd marriage.
Went with Blanda because he's was the oldest active player (48) and played QB as was as kicker. Please Adam, do not teach Tom how to kick field goals. None of us want him playing until he's 60!
@@davidozab2753 Don't worry, he won't play just to play, and, his weakened, O-Line, means that he, only, has, two, years remaining, anyway, it's that simple.
Even though everyone clearly lost in this exchange in 1986, Washington won tremendously in 1987 with a free agent veteran in Ali Haji-Shiekh, showing us even further that a kicker is the worst position to spite a division opponent. Somehow I get the sneaky suspicion that this video wasn’t about Dallas spite nor about Max Zendejas; this was clearly a not subtle jab at Gil Brandt and what he said about Dwayne Haskins.
Another point about kickers and the '86 draft: John Lee, the consensus "best kicker in college football" in ages, was drafted by the Cardinals in the second round, and fared even worse than Zendejas. After making just 8 of 13 FGs (as well as missing three XPs), he injured his knee. Arthroscopic surgery put him out for a year and a half. The Cardinals released him in '87, and the Raiders picked him up prior to the '88 season, but after missing 2 of 3 FGs in preseason, he was cut, and was out of football for good.
There were a lot of great kickers in college at that time. He mentioned Kevin Butler, who was at Georgia, and then there was Tennessee's Fuad Reveiz, who was to Butler what Zendejas was to Lee. The SEC guys both had long pro careers, but for whatever reason, the two PAC-10 guys didn't. Jess Atkinson, who was kicking for Maryland at that time, replaced Zendejas in Washington and hung around for a few years.
Could be worse Buddy Ryan could have put a bounty on him. You can learn about Ryan's hate towards Luis Zendejas by clicking on the card in the upper right hand corner.
For the longest time, college kickers were allowed to kick field goals off of tees. So, it was tough for pro teams to draft kickers since many great college kickers couldn't transition to kicking straight off the ground.
How many people picked up on the Gil Brandt 2nd most shocking comment? I am sure he was referring to his despicable comments yesterday after the tragic death of Dwayne Haskins.
Back then, kickers were much harder to predict. College kickers kicked to a much wider target (although they also had to deal with wider hash marks). They also kicked from a tee, which is a much different prospect thank kicking it from the ground. College football has gotten rid of those since, so teams are much more able to predict a college kicker's chances in the NFL.
The Zendejas family has a whole bunch of kickers who played for Arizona and then in the NFL, USFL, and CFL. They are like the Mannings, only less successful.
Thos made me wonder about another superb college kicker that didn't pan out in the NFL - Carlos Huerta from University of Miami. Huerta was a 4-year starter, arguably the best kicker in the country the last three of those years, broke all sorts of NCAA percentage accuracy records for FGs and XPs, plus had several 50+ conversions. Yet in the NFL he never seemed to last past week 2 on a roster. Unlike Zendejas I don't think it was so much that he failed as much as teams never giving him opportunity due to having another option. Anyway, if there's a story behind that, please consider it for a future video.
Kickers not working out in the NFL happened a lot more in the 80s when college allowed tees for place kicks and the NFL didn't. It seems a small thing, but some very good kickers flamed out while others (Butler) adjusted fairly easily.
So, my takeaway is the Cowboys could have had Steve Wallace for 12 years, rather than their one last year trying to get something out of Phil Pozderac. Ai-yi-yi. And hurting the 49'ers into the bargain....
In 1985 the Bears took Kevin Butler in the 4th round. Their kicker in 84 was Bob Thomas who was 33 years old. So it’s not far fetched for a team to speed a high draft pick on a kicker to replace an aging kicker.
Wow that's incredible that there was a Steve Wallace connection. Before Joe Staley, there was the other #74 that played OT that was pretty good in Steve Wallace. Heck of a pick. Dallas was stupid.
Sometimes college kickers couldn't adjust to not being allowed to use a tee in the pros. I thin kit helped when NCAA (a) disallowed tees; and (b) made the uprights narrower to mimic the NFL.
Moseley still led in overall scoring due to the plethora of extra points the Redskins scored in '83. Usually the scoring leader is a kicker from a wild card or 3 or 4 seed division champ because of their team not converting red zone visits into TDs as well as the conference #1.
What happened to most rookie kickers, is they couldn’t adjust from using a tee for FG’s in college to no tee in the NFL. not sure when college football stop using the tee maybe sometimes in the 90s. But that was always concerned back then, if kickers could make the adjustments to no tees.
Hi John! JG9 did a video on Max’s last kick in the league which I watched - yeah it was bad, he missed the chipper wide left by at least 10 yards. Remember seeing it like that was yesterday and not almost 34 years ago when I was young…
Septien, it should be noted, also left Dallas in disgrace, after agreeing to plead guilty to a charge of "indecency with a minor" and avoided prison with his plea bargain (though he did pay a $2000 fine and had ten years probation). Bizarrely, many years later, he emerged as the drummer for the solo band of Goran Edman, whose claim to fame was fronting Yngwie Malmsteen's band.
Draft decisions such as this one could explain why the Cowboys declined in the late '80s. Also, I can't believe how awful Zendejas was in the NFL after a stellar college career. I was thinking about Roberto Aguayo by the end of this video.
I kinda feel like Philly taking Dallas Goedert solely to keep Dallas from getting him the day Jason Witten retired for the first time while they still had Zach Ertz in his prime might trump this. The little speech David Akers made when he went to announce the pick also kinda capped it off lol
Interesting facts on Moseley, because the common narrative is that he sucked and only had the one good season in 82. He's typically listed in the bottom 5 of MVPs.
Very interesting that the top four college FG producers of all time (Lee, Butler, and 2xZendejas) had careers contained within the five years 1981-85. What's up with that? Was there something different about early-80s CFB that encouraged FG kicking more than any time before or since? I know they removed the tee in the early 90s, but even still why these specific five years? Just coincidence?
Gil Brandts comments yesterday were very insensitive and I was wondering if anyone else had the impression he was kind of smugly satisfied with Dwayne Haskins fate.
the way moseley kicked looks ridiculous. did they only go for field goals when they were really close because he doesn't look like he'd get much distance?
We all know why Rafael Septien's career ended ..... And one game against the Vikings, Max missed 3 extra points (which ties a regular season record for most missed XP kicks) and a field goal. Fortunately, the Redskins won in OT. Then week 15 against the Broncos, he missed two field goals and an XP kick .... sure enough; the Redskins lost by one point. Then he got released and replaced for week 16 and the playoffs by Jess Atkinson. So both sides lost here.
Dallas did this crap AGAIN years later with the New York Giants! The Giants were clearly after WR Mike Sherrard... he was talked about (going to the Giants) for weeks before the draft. Dallas sneaked ahead of NY and snagged him just to piss off the "WR-needy Giants". It also backfired in a way... Mike got hurt with Dallas... didn't really pan out as well as expected... they didn't need him with Irvin on the team anyway... (along with several other receivers they had stacked up like Jimmy Smith (who ended up with Jax) and a few others who left eventually. Mike went to the 49ers... THEN.. finally.. went to New York. ALmost as if he was destined to be there.. but it took a while for him to get there. By then his career was spent
In back-to-back days you made videos about fourth round picks, who happened to be taken at picks 100 and 101. Should we expect to see more like this in the upcoming days? You mentioned this in one of the videos to which you linked. But it’s ironic based on this video that Mark Moseley’s last game with Washington was in Dallas that year. Moseley was released after that game, thus kicking off the Max Zendejas Error…ERRR, I mean Era in the Nation’s Capital.
The, NFC East, was, odd in 1986, the Cowboys, beat, the, 14-2, Giants, Washington made, the, Playoffs, and, beat, the Bears, for, the first of, two, straight years, but, they, lost, to the Giants, three, times.
too bad the Redskins ended up hiring that lousy kicker later on, he was awful, but you have a video on that with the Redskins laughing at him when he was a Packer
I have a different outlook on this. Fans need to realize the NFL is not about OUR entertainment but about THEIR business. This was purely a business move that did not work out for those involved. This sort of thing happens every single draft so unsure why anyone would be so adamant about this one.
Nice of you to bring THAT up, as Clint Murchison, denied a Dallas expansion franchise by Washington Commies owner George Marshall, bought the rights to Hail To The Redskins. Marshall acquired the song in exchange for approval of the Cowboys' admission to the NFL. You can learn more about that by clicking on the card in the upper right hand corner
@@donaldpaluga I knew that. Thanks also for reminding me that the Redskins had a worse owner than Snyder. Oh and when Doug Williams became the first black QB to win a Superbowl I like to think Marshall was spinning like a top. Racist MF.
I think this stupid draft pick was what started the Cowboys decline in the late-80's and the very beginning of the 90's. Rather than draft for what they needed, Schramm drafted out of spite, wasting them since he believed "We're Dallas, we're always going to be good". Guess what, they went 7-9 that year. Then the year after that, Tex Schramm tried being a union buster. While he did, in fact, make the Cowboys players crack under pressure and make them cross the picket line, they hated each other, and were barely able to squeak out 7 wins. And the year after that? 3 wins, and not only was Schramm gone, but so was Landry and Bright since the team was sold to Jerry Jones before the 1989 season
@@matthewdaley746 the Cowboys problem went from being Super Bowl quality teams to greedy and arrogant that they forgot who they were. Instead of being the Cowboys that were arrogant and could back it up, they became were the Dallas Cowboys who rule the NFL and that was it. They couldn’t back it up and were stubborn like the Lakers now. On the other hand, the Steelers never really changed their philosophy. It worked early on when they dominated the 70’s. But once the game changed, they never really did so and Chuck Noll, who’s a hall-of-fame coach probably should’ve been let go much earlier than he did.
@@KWCline91It, also, really didn't help matters that they passed, on, Dan Marino, if he'd retired, a, decade, earlier, Chuck Noll's, probably, the, second-best, coach, of, the, SB, era, (Bill Belichick).
I love how you ho-hum a kicker winning the MVP in 1982...especially one that missed 3! XPs in 9 games (16-19 XP), in Mark Moseley. This is probably the most ridiculous outcome in the history of the NFL, and you don't even mention that he missed 3 XPs....wow...
I remember this all too well. Max Z was atrocious in DC. In one game against the Vikings (a 44-38 OT victory and one of the most exciting games you will see) he missed THREE XPs. Of course, I also well remember that GB game, where he missed the game tying FG late and Dexter Manley was pointing and laughing at him afterwards. Actually, the whole Redskin squad was laughing at him. However, where the Redskins REALLY screwed themselves was when they drafted Tony Zendejas in 1985, in the first round no less, as competition to Moseley, but never really gave him a shot. IOW, very similar to what the Cowboys did here, since Septien was going to be the Pokes kicker in 1986, barring injury. However, the Skins let him go, he got picked up by Houston, had a fine career there and later with the Rams. Meanwhile, the Skins went through Tony Z, Jess Atkinson (who would have been the regular kicker had not Andre Waters cheap shotted him) and then Haji-Sheik in that Super Bowl 1987 season, In '88, they drafted Chip Lohmiller and finally solved their kicking problem for the next 8 years.
It’s still incredible and inexplicable that Mark Moseley was voted MVP in 1982. Only explanation is people didn’t know what to do with a 9 game season.
I was there and it was legit. Back then the idea of a kicker making literally almost every kick was mind-blowing paradigm-shifting stuff. '82 Moseley had a season that blew any other season from anybody else at his position out of the water. The only other player I can even think of who'd even be in the conversation for MVP in '82 was Dan Fouts. And as it turns out, Moseley barely edged him out so it's not as if 90-plus percent of the voters "didn't know what to do" as you put it.
Moseley missed 3! XPs...this is by far the worst MVP award winner ever. Fouts stats project out to over 5100+ yards passing, so the fact that Fouts didn't win it is incredibly ridiculous.
@@DolFan316 Moseley didn’t even lead the league in scoring, that was Marcus Allen. He wasn’t even the highest scoring kicker, that was Rolf Benirschke. There’s no way a kicker, with a few plays a game, would affect the game more than Allen or Dan Foutd, or heck, Joe Theismann on his own team.
@@kessel12 Imagine people being so eager to complain about something they get offended over who won MVP 40 years ago. But that's millennials for you. SMH. Maybe you can start a Twitter campaign to get Moseley canceled and rewrite history so it never happened. That'll make the world a better place! 🙄
@@DolFan316 what are you talking about canceling moseley? Just because there is literally no reason for a kicker to ever win mvp especially when he misses 3 extra points doesn't mean anyone wants to rewrite history and cancel him like what
Fun fact: in the Browns' infamous playoff win over the Jets (Gastineau roughing call) Moseley was 3 of 6 on FGs. Only Marty Schottenheimer would attempt 6 FGs in a playoff game.
The, 1983 NFC Championship Game, was, also, infamously, bad, he's, likely, out, of the, NFL, had the officials, not, handed, them the Game, on, a silver platter, simply, no question.
Wow. A video about the Dallas COWGIRLS and the Washington DEADSKINS. 2 teams that COMBINED are WORSE than a 39.6. Using the NFL DRAFT to SPITE ANOTHER team means that YOU should just SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
Do better research. Every old-school fan knows it's GRO-za, not Gra-ssa. If you are going to reference older players---at least know how to pronounce names, otherwise, you sound like a twelve-year-old giving a book report.
Come on Brady and his cheating coach play flag football compared to the old schools. Anything close he gets a roughing the passer. If it wasn't for getting the help he wouldn't be playing as long or won as many.
Zendejas is still a legend here in Tucson, really the whole Zendejas brood. The NFL chapter of his career isn't really talked about. Great video again!
That might be because he never really caught on with an NFL team and actually played as a replacement player during the strike.
“…and hitting them from a pretty long distance, too!” 🤣
I’m going to post this in Washington groups on Facebook hopefully they all check out your videos about the team so much info and entertainment thank you
You are going to post a UA-cam video from some one , on your Facebook ? What kind of life do you have ?
lol, that'd be funny
Regarding Moseley as well - and I have been a die hard Redskins fan since 1974 - another factor is when Theismann broke his leg, Moseley lost his holder and never looked comfortable with the new holder.
I'd make the argument the straight-on kicker was going the way of the dodo at that point
@@donaldpaluga no question about that. Moseley was going to decline at some point. He was very good in 1984; 1985 was 11-15 with Joe T as holder and 11-19 with Schroeder as holder and then plenty awful in 1986 as a Redskin - though pretty decent as a Brown albeit with short FG attempts.
Yep. When Joe went down... Mark was never the same. Kickers are creatures of habit. When they lose a snapper or holder--it screws up their timing. I think that's why teams got away from having starting QBs as holders.
@@tohaz agree 💯
@@donaldpaluga Yeah, if memory serves, Moseley was the football equivalent of a living fossil by the mid 1980s, insofar as he was the last regular kicker to use the straight-on style (I think Steve Cox, primarily a punter, did straight on kicking for a few tries a few years later, but that was about it).
Mark did alright for himself. He invested early in “Five Guys” burger shops.
I recall he used to have a place called Moseley's Burgers (slogan: "It's Good!") right by where I grew up in Northern Virginia and I think that's what got him into franchising with Five Guys.
The Cowboys vs Washington. It reminds me of some of the great rivalries in sports, like the Celtics vs Los Angeles, Red Sox vs New York, Raiders vs Pittsburgh, Dodgers vs San Francisco, Pistons vs Chicago.
The same thing pretty much happened in 2020, with the Saints taking Tommy Stevens in the seventh round for no other reason than the Panthers wanted to sign him as an undrafted. While it's a seventh round pick and basically the whole league screws around with them anyway (preferring to go the UFA route), Mr. Irrelevant Tae Crowder became a starter with the Giants last year.
Stevens ended up with the Panthers anyway, and played in a game (against the Saints cause, of course). He's now in the CFL.
So this practice hardly ended in '86, in fact you could even carry it over to free agency--which could be a near-future vid
As a former kicker, let me tell you that kicking is like your golf swing. A mental block can form easily and it can be catastrophic. I wasn’t watching football when this guy was around, but I feel like that’s what happened to Roberto Aguayo.
In college kickers used a tee. In the NFL tees we’re not allowed. That’s why John Lee didn’t make it either.
Unless you're Tom Brady ...
George Blanda would like a word.
And Adam Vinatieri
Didn't Morten Anderson kick for about 3 centuries? I was still in high school when he started kicking in the NFL and didn't retire until I was 42. Hell, by the time he retired not only was I 42 but I was on my 2nd marriage.
Went with Blanda because he's was the oldest active player (48) and played QB as was as kicker.
Please Adam, do not teach Tom how to kick field goals. None of us want him playing until he's 60!
@@davidozab2753 Don't worry, he won't play just to play, and, his weakened, O-Line, means that he, only, has, two, years remaining, anyway, it's that simple.
@@matthewdaley746 Brady was supposed to be gone already. How can anybody take him seriously if he "retires" again? I'm so over him at this point.
Even though everyone clearly lost in this exchange in 1986, Washington won tremendously in 1987 with a free agent veteran in Ali Haji-Shiekh, showing us even further that a kicker is the worst position to spite a division opponent.
Somehow I get the sneaky suspicion that this video wasn’t about Dallas spite nor about Max Zendejas; this was clearly a not subtle jab at Gil Brandt and what he said about Dwayne Haskins.
@Fries Though, at least Lohmiller had a Pro Bowl season and won a ring in DC AND had a great ad for McDonald's, too.
Another point about kickers and the '86 draft: John Lee, the consensus "best kicker in college football" in ages, was drafted by the Cardinals in the second round, and fared even worse than Zendejas. After making just 8 of 13 FGs (as well as missing three XPs), he injured his knee. Arthroscopic surgery put him out for a year and a half. The Cardinals released him in '87, and the Raiders picked him up prior to the '88 season, but after missing 2 of 3 FGs in preseason, he was cut, and was out of football for good.
There were a lot of great kickers in college at that time. He mentioned Kevin Butler, who was at Georgia, and then there was Tennessee's Fuad Reveiz, who was to Butler what Zendejas was to Lee. The SEC guys both had long pro careers, but for whatever reason, the two PAC-10 guys didn't. Jess Atkinson, who was kicking for Maryland at that time, replaced Zendejas in Washington and hung around for a few years.
When you think about it 1986 was when the Cowboys really started to go downhill at the end of the Tom Landry and Tex Schram era
Could be worse
Buddy Ryan could have put a bounty on him. You can learn about Ryan's hate towards Luis Zendejas by clicking on the card in the upper right hand corner.
And this was the only time in the NFL where a bounty was placed on an opponent.
“Insert New Orleans Saints Logo”
the original bounty bowl played on thanksgiving in 1989
@@thatduderobo1974 and would be the last time the Philly Jive Turkeys played on Thanksgiving until 2008
@@donaldpaluga .....when those so-called jive turkeys routed the Cardinals
Bear Bryant used to recruit qb's that had no chance of starting just to keep them off rivals schools rosters.
For the longest time, college kickers were allowed to kick field goals off of tees. So, it was tough for pro teams to draft kickers since many great college kickers couldn't transition to kicking straight off the ground.
Also, the college goal posts were 23 feet wide during this era, making it a wider target for kickers and potentially inflating their success rate.
How many people picked up on the Gil Brandt 2nd most shocking comment? I am sure he was referring to his despicable comments yesterday after the tragic death of Dwayne Haskins.
I caught it too. Well played by JaguarGator9 for the subtle (and justified) jab at Brandt
Back then, kickers were much harder to predict. College kickers kicked to a much wider target (although they also had to deal with wider hash marks). They also kicked from a tee, which is a much different prospect thank kicking it from the ground. College football has gotten rid of those since, so teams are much more able to predict a college kicker's chances in the NFL.
I forgot how wide the college uprights were back then, they get very narrow when you are kicking though
The Zendejas family has a whole bunch of kickers who played for Arizona and then in the NFL, USFL, and CFL.
They are like the Mannings, only less successful.
You thought you did something here
Thos made me wonder about another superb college kicker that didn't pan out in the NFL - Carlos Huerta from University of Miami. Huerta was a 4-year starter, arguably the best kicker in the country the last three of those years, broke all sorts of NCAA percentage accuracy records for FGs and XPs, plus had several 50+ conversions. Yet in the NFL he never seemed to last past week 2 on a roster. Unlike Zendejas I don't think it was so much that he failed as much as teams never giving him opportunity due to having another option. Anyway, if there's a story behind that, please consider it for a future video.
Kickers not working out in the NFL happened a lot more in the 80s when college allowed tees for place kicks and the NFL didn't. It seems a small thing, but some very good kickers flamed out while others (Butler) adjusted fairly easily.
So, my takeaway is the Cowboys could have had Steve Wallace for 12 years, rather than their one last year trying to get something out of Phil Pozderac. Ai-yi-yi. And hurting the 49'ers into the bargain....
In 1985 the Bears took Kevin Butler in the 4th round. Their kicker in 84 was Bob Thomas who was 33 years old.
So it’s not far fetched for a team to speed a high draft pick on a kicker to replace an aging kicker.
Wow that's incredible that there was a Steve Wallace connection. Before Joe Staley, there was the other #74 that played OT that was pretty good in Steve Wallace. Heck of a pick. Dallas was stupid.
Sometimes college kickers couldn't adjust to not being allowed to use a tee in the pros. I thin kit helped when NCAA (a) disallowed tees; and (b) made the uprights narrower to mimic the NFL.
He NEVER used a tee. Try again
He would kick barefoot during practice boo
I love your channel, and this correction is sent with respect: the name is pronounced "GROW ZA" not "GRAH ZA"
I dig your style. The video is great!
The really crazy part is that Moseley's 33 FGs (8 more than his second best career total) didn't even lead the league in '83 😯
That was Haji Sheikh right?
@@CutterHistorical Yes.
Moseley still led in overall scoring due to the plethora of extra points the Redskins scored in '83. Usually the scoring leader is a kicker from a wild card or 3 or 4 seed division champ because of their team not converting red zone visits into TDs as well as the conference #1.
@@CutterHistorical U-M!
What happened to most rookie kickers, is they couldn’t adjust from using a tee for FG’s in college to no tee in the NFL. not sure when college football stop using the tee maybe sometimes in the 90s. But that was always concerned back then, if kickers could make the adjustments to no tees.
They didn’t win the Sun Bowl because he missed the winning kick against Georgia. It was a tie
I remember how bad Max Zendejas was in the NFL, but I didn't know this part of the story. All of this silliness over a guy who wasn't even any good.
Hi John! JG9 did a video on Max’s last kick in the league which I watched - yeah it was bad, he missed the chipper wide left by at least 10 yards. Remember seeing it like that was yesterday and not almost 34 years ago when I was young…
Annnnnnnnd you’re still talking about it to this day. I’ll say that’s a winnn for Zendejas!
Septien, it should be noted, also left Dallas in disgrace, after agreeing to plead guilty to a charge of "indecency with a minor" and avoided prison with his plea bargain (though he did pay a $2000 fine and had ten years probation). Bizarrely, many years later, he emerged as the drummer for the solo band of Goran Edman, whose claim to fame was fronting Yngwie Malmsteen's band.
Moseley had a real odd kicking style lol
Draft decisions such as this one could explain why the Cowboys declined in the late '80s. Also, I can't believe how awful Zendejas was in the NFL after a stellar college career. I was thinking about Roberto Aguayo by the end of this video.
Attrition, also, factored, here.
According to wikipedia, Septien was battling a back injury in the offseason, implying that's why the Cowboys drafted Zendejas.
Yeah, no, this, was, totally, A, PR, Move, this is a family site, so, I can't tell you the terrible reason, really, it is, really, horrific.
Didn't he also get busted for child porn after the 86 season? Maybe there were already rumors.
@@urbanleftbehind As, previously, mentioned, horrific.
John Lee went in the 2nd round... and scored 38 NFL points.
Same team drafted Steve Little in the first round. He didn't fare any better.
I kinda feel like Philly taking Dallas Goedert solely to keep Dallas from getting him the day Jason Witten retired for the first time while they still had Zach Ertz in his prime might trump this. The little speech David Akers made when he went to announce the pick also kinda capped it off lol
Interesting facts on Moseley, because the common narrative is that he sucked and only had the one good season in 82. He's typically listed in the bottom 5 of MVPs.
Very interesting that the top four college FG producers of all time (Lee, Butler, and 2xZendejas) had careers contained within the five years 1981-85. What's up with that? Was there something different about early-80s CFB that encouraged FG kicking more than any time before or since? I know they removed the tee in the early 90s, but even still why these specific five years? Just coincidence?
Gil Brandts comments yesterday were very insensitive and I was wondering if anyone else had the impression he was kind of smugly satisfied with Dwayne Haskins fate.
His, HOF, speech, was, one, of, the, worst, I've, ever, heard, too, truly, awful, just, was.
@Malus He, realized, precisely, off-putting.
Didn't think teams would fight over a kicker.
the way moseley kicked looks ridiculous. did they only go for field goals when they were really close because he doesn't look like he'd get much distance?
We all know why Rafael Septien's career ended .....
And one game against the Vikings, Max missed 3 extra points (which ties a regular season record for most missed XP kicks) and a field goal. Fortunately, the Redskins won in OT. Then week 15 against the Broncos, he missed two field goals and an XP kick .... sure enough; the Redskins lost by one point. Then he got released and replaced for week 16 and the playoffs by Jess Atkinson.
So both sides lost here.
Dallas did this crap AGAIN years later with the New York Giants!
The Giants were clearly after WR Mike Sherrard... he was talked about (going to the Giants) for weeks before the draft.
Dallas sneaked ahead of NY and snagged him just to piss off the "WR-needy Giants".
It also backfired in a way...
Mike got hurt with Dallas... didn't really pan out as well as expected... they didn't need him with Irvin on the team anyway... (along with several other receivers they had stacked up like Jimmy Smith (who ended up with Jax) and a few others who left eventually.
Mike went to the 49ers... THEN.. finally.. went to New York.
ALmost as if he was destined to be there.. but it took a while for him to get there.
By then his career was spent
In back-to-back days you made videos about fourth round picks, who happened to be taken at picks 100 and 101. Should we expect to see more like this in the upcoming days?
You mentioned this in one of the videos to which you linked. But it’s ironic based on this video that Mark Moseley’s last game with Washington was in Dallas that year. Moseley was released after that game, thus kicking off the Max Zendejas Error…ERRR, I mean Era in the Nation’s Capital.
Lol, nah 🤣 you wasn't wrong
Steve Wallace, OT from Auburn and Kevin Fagin, DT from DA U. Both picked by San Fran
Are you going to be in every video slurping the slurp?
I also swear you are jaguargator because there is no way you can have a better percentage than Gary Anderson in '98
I mean the Skins couldve taken him in the first few rounds as is and no controversy
Nice video
Wow this is hilarious haha
guy seriously said Graham Gano was arguably the best kicker in the league because he made a pro bowl, like Justin Tucker doesn’t exist🤔.. c’mon dude
No joke, Justin Tucker makes people think that Lamar Jackson, somehow, is, a, truly, great, QB, despite, innumerable evidence to the contrary.
Mark Mosley was a great kicker but him winning the MVP was an absolute travesty
I don't like Dallas but they drafted a kicker because of Septien's recurring back problems
Mark Moseley made 66% of his field goals in his career. He wouldn't even get a job today.
Tom Brady's daughter has held the Lombardi Trophy more times than the Cowboys won playoff games in the last 20 years. And she's eight.
I hope she doesn't grow, up, to be a giant spoiled brat, like, Mommy, and, Daddy, but, there's no way I'm holding my breath.
@@matthewdaley746 Too late, by age 3 today's kids are already spoiled beyond all repair. I've seen it happen multiple times.
@DolFan316 As I feared, Kobe Bryant's daughter, was, well, on, her way to that, sadly, terrible, path, before, well, you know.
Dallas screwed over the Redskins and they deflated Zendejas's morale if the Cowboys didn't pick Zendejas, he might have had a better career.
This sounds like a Jerry Jones move.
Jerry Jones bought the team in '89 so this a few years before jerry became owner.
@@dustinsindledecker154, right. I was saying that this sounds like a move Jerry would make.
I didn't think that the Cowboys were any threat to win the NFC East in 1986.
The, NFC East, was, odd in 1986, the Cowboys, beat, the, 14-2, Giants, Washington made, the, Playoffs, and, beat, the Bears, for, the first of, two, straight years, but, they, lost, to the Giants, three, times.
same class as he, not him. the nuns in grammar school were strict on us. video great, fun info.
Teams do this all the time
Who the hell drafts a kicker anyway
too bad the Redskins ended up hiring that lousy kicker later on, he was awful, but you have a video on that with the Redskins laughing at him when he was a Packer
I have a different outlook on this. Fans need to realize the NFL is not about OUR entertainment but about THEIR business. This was purely a business move that did not work out for those involved. This sort of thing happens every single draft so unsure why anyone would be so adamant about this one.
He'll always be Zende-joss to me.
This person has commented this sooooo many times. It’s giving Fatal Attraction
I miss this rivalry. I still hate the Cowboys (out of habit more than anything). Almost as much as I hate Dan f---ing Snyder. HTTR
Nice of you to bring THAT up, as Clint Murchison, denied a Dallas expansion franchise by Washington Commies owner George Marshall, bought the rights to Hail To The Redskins. Marshall acquired the song in exchange for approval of the Cowboys' admission to the NFL. You can learn more about that by clicking on the card in the upper right hand corner
@@donaldpaluga I knew that.
Thanks also for reminding me that the Redskins had a worse owner than Snyder.
Oh and when Doug Williams became the first black QB to win a Superbowl I like to think Marshall was spinning like a top. Racist MF.
In hindsight, Dallas did Washington a favor.
I think this stupid draft pick was what started the Cowboys decline in the late-80's and the very beginning of the 90's. Rather than draft for what they needed, Schramm drafted out of spite, wasting them since he believed "We're Dallas, we're always going to be good". Guess what, they went 7-9 that year. Then the year after that, Tex Schramm tried being a union buster. While he did, in fact, make the Cowboys players crack under pressure and make them cross the picket line, they hated each other, and were barely able to squeak out 7 wins. And the year after that? 3 wins, and not only was Schramm gone, but so was Landry and Bright since the team was sold to Jerry Jones before the 1989 season
Those Tex Schramm Cowboys, were, good, for, far longer, than, the Chuck Noll Steelers, but, won, fewer, SBs, coincidence, I think, not.
@@matthewdaley746 the Cowboys problem went from being Super Bowl quality teams to greedy and arrogant that they forgot who they were. Instead of being the Cowboys that were arrogant and could back it up, they became were the Dallas Cowboys who rule the NFL and that was it. They couldn’t back it up and were stubborn like the Lakers now.
On the other hand, the Steelers never really changed their philosophy. It worked early on when they dominated the 70’s. But once the game changed, they never really did so and Chuck Noll, who’s a hall-of-fame coach probably should’ve been let go much earlier than he did.
@@KWCline91It, also, really didn't help matters that they passed, on, Dan Marino, if he'd retired, a, decade, earlier, Chuck Noll's, probably, the, second-best, coach, of, the, SB, era, (Bill Belichick).
Agree completely
@@eugenedenbrook322 Coaches, invariably, remain, uncomfortably.
You must be an nfc east mark graham gano the best kicker you should have said its like ravens drafting a kicker
I love how you ho-hum a kicker winning the MVP in 1982...especially one that missed 3! XPs in 9 games (16-19 XP), in Mark Moseley. This is probably the most ridiculous outcome in the history of the NFL, and you don't even mention that he missed 3 XPs....wow...
Gil brandt wasnt wrong with what he said about haskins
@@matthewdaley746 yeah but yall acting like its the only thing that counts. Facts over feelings mate
@@matthewdaley746 yet feelings are now a days
@@matthewdaley746 exactly, which is why noone should be shocked a 90 year old on a rdio show spoke truth
@@matthewdaley746 what isnt?
Ez Dub
Old rich men mess with kids life and career for pure spite. Im shocked! Shocked! Well not that shocked....
Your winnings, sir
Just get to the point gezzzz it’s more about Mosley
I remember this all too well. Max Z was atrocious in DC. In one game against the Vikings (a 44-38 OT victory and one of the most exciting games you will see) he missed THREE XPs.
Of course, I also well remember that GB game, where he missed the game tying FG late and Dexter Manley was pointing and laughing at him afterwards. Actually, the whole Redskin squad was laughing at him.
However, where the Redskins REALLY screwed themselves was when they drafted Tony Zendejas in 1985, in the first round no less, as competition to Moseley, but never really gave him a shot. IOW, very similar to what the Cowboys did here, since Septien was going to be the Pokes kicker in 1986, barring injury. However, the Skins let him go, he got picked up by Houston, had a fine career there and later with the Rams. Meanwhile, the Skins went through Tony Z, Jess Atkinson (who would have been the regular kicker had not Andre Waters cheap shotted him) and then Haji-Sheik in that Super Bowl 1987 season,
In '88, they drafted Chip Lohmiller and finally solved their kicking problem for the next 8 years.
It’s still incredible and inexplicable that Mark Moseley was voted MVP in 1982. Only explanation is people didn’t know what to do with a 9 game season.
I was there and it was legit. Back then the idea of a kicker making literally almost every kick was mind-blowing paradigm-shifting stuff. '82 Moseley had a season that blew any other season from anybody else at his position out of the water. The only other player I can even think of who'd even be in the conversation for MVP in '82 was Dan Fouts. And as it turns out, Moseley barely edged him out so it's not as if 90-plus percent of the voters "didn't know what to do" as you put it.
Moseley missed 3! XPs...this is by far the worst MVP award winner ever. Fouts stats project out to over 5100+ yards passing, so the fact that Fouts didn't win it is incredibly ridiculous.
@@DolFan316 Moseley didn’t even lead the league in scoring, that was Marcus Allen. He wasn’t even the highest scoring kicker, that was Rolf Benirschke. There’s no way a kicker, with a few plays a game, would affect the game more than Allen or Dan Foutd, or heck, Joe Theismann on his own team.
@@kessel12 Imagine people being so eager to complain about something they get offended over who won MVP 40 years ago. But that's millennials for you. SMH. Maybe you can start a Twitter campaign to get Moseley canceled and rewrite history so it never happened. That'll make the world a better place! 🙄
@@DolFan316 what are you talking about canceling moseley? Just because there is literally no reason for a kicker to ever win mvp especially when he misses 3 extra points doesn't mean anyone wants to rewrite history and cancel him like what
I hate the redskins. Err... the commimies commanders. Er... the guardians....err... never mind.
Fun fact: in the Browns' infamous playoff win over the Jets (Gastineau roughing call) Moseley was 3 of 6 on FGs. Only Marty Schottenheimer would attempt 6 FGs in a playoff game.
The, 1983 NFC Championship Game, was, also, infamously, bad, he's, likely, out, of the, NFL, had the officials, not, handed, them the Game, on, a silver platter, simply, no question.
Go Redskins
You're the Washington Generals now
Generals would've been a better name than commanders.
The name is pronounced "Grow-Za" not "Gra-Za"
Wow. A video about the Dallas COWGIRLS and the Washington DEADSKINS. 2 teams that COMBINED are WORSE than a 39.6. Using the NFL DRAFT to SPITE ANOTHER team means that YOU should just SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
Don't quit your day job buddy........
Do better research. Every old-school fan knows it's GRO-za, not Gra-ssa. If you are going to reference older players---at least know how to pronounce names, otherwise, you sound like a twelve-year-old giving a book report.
It's pronounced GROW-zuh
Does it matter.
Come on Brady and his cheating coach play flag football compared to the old schools. Anything close he gets a roughing the passer. If it wasn't for getting the help he wouldn't be playing as long or won as many.
The magic wore, off, against, the Rams, plus, the officials, actually, did their jobs, against, those, two, forces, he stood no chance.