Star Trek Runabout vs Star Wars Shuttle: which is the best spacecraft?

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  • @josephmckinney9660
    @josephmckinney9660 Рік тому +85

    The runabout could load and unload cargo using its transporter system, so the location of the cargo module is not really a problem.

    • @ARIES5342
      @ARIES5342 Рік тому +4

      Right on!

    • @adamlytle2615
      @adamlytle2615 Рік тому +5

      Even without the transporter, surely the same anti-grav VTOL capabilities referenced earlier in the video could be used to lift the Runabout off of a detached cargo module? Though as a sidenote, the Runabout without the middle module would look very strange. Seems like the module on the aft end would make more sense. Then they could even conceivably have extended modules.

    • @Z1gguratVert1go
      @Z1gguratVert1go Рік тому +2

      Runabout transporters are good for two people at a time, not tons of cargo. This isn't one of the cargo transporters on a Galaxy Class ship this is a big shuttlecraft.

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated Рік тому +1

      @@Z1gguratVert1go so maybe it takes 20 or 30 minutes to fully unload the cargo via transporter. No big whoop, people can be patient, especially when they’re not actually doing any physical labour to get their cargo unloaded.

    • @Z1gguratVert1go
      @Z1gguratVert1go Рік тому +1

      @@DissociatedWomenIncorporatedThe thing about transporters is that they eat A LOT of energy, the more material you move the more energy it costs, and doing it site-to-site costs more energy than from or to a pad. Granted Runabouts use antimatter, not just deuterium like most small Federation craft, so that probably helps with the energy consumption.
      Havin a loader/lifter droid unload your cargo hold is just as little work as a transporter from the point of view of not wanting to do hard labor, and probably consumes less than 1% as much energy as using the transporters would.

  • @captainredshirt1346
    @captainredshirt1346 Рік тому +60

    One think i would add is the fact that both phasers and torpedos on the Runabout can be aimed freely. Something the Star Wars Shuttle cant do. This would give the Runabout a huge advantage, It could fly circles without getting hits while dealing damage at the same time

    • @brenatevi
      @brenatevi Рік тому +3

      The games Starfleet Command(s) can attest to that. I hope you like going in circles, because that is what you do most of those games.

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix Рік тому +3

      The shyttles biggest advantage is being able to run away to the other side of the galaxy at a whim. Whatever other sources say about their range the film and shows suggest far longer ranges than this video.

    • @WeTravelbyNight
      @WeTravelbyNight  Рік тому +20

      A very good point! I should really have included nimbleness amongst my criteria - the runabout would have won hands down!

    • @bloodyirishman5758
      @bloodyirishman5758 Рік тому +5

      Agreed. Also, a huge tactical advantage is the photon torpedoes can be used while going FTL (faster than light).
      While I believe any objective individual would agree that Star Wars hyperdrive is far faster than Star Treks warp, hyperdrive is 100% limited to travel only. I've never seen any cannon evidence of any Star Wars vessels being able to conduct combat while in hyperdrive. Even in TOS Federation vessels do. While Star Trek errors, imo, showing phasers being used while at warp or at least implying they were, the photon torpedo 100% IS able to with its warp sustainable engine.
      Another aspect which I think should be included in this comparison is the scanners/sensors. Seems while in hyperdrive Star Wars ships are blind. Totally dependent on the accuracy of the corse plotted before entering. An example, in A New Hope, Solo states unless the corse is plotted correctly you could bounce into something and that would ruin your trip. Again in A New Hope, the falcon was oblivious to the destruction of the planet and had no idea until they existed hyperdrive and started hitting its fragments. While it is proven time after time that in Star Trek, granted much slower but still ridiculously fast, vessels can identify ships, objects, threats, anomalies etc and react to them to include combat while at warp. A prime TOS example is the Ultimate Computer. When the Enterprise is engaged with the other 4 ships she is engaging at various warp speeds (again, wrongly using phasers though).
      Depending on the scenario, the runabout could engaged the shuttle while still at warp and literally outrun their weapons until the shuttle decided to disengage with its faster hyperdrive eventually outrunning the photon torpedos themselves...if it survived that long.

    • @ironsides982
      @ironsides982 Рік тому +2

      @@bloodyirishman5758 I remember reading in the Next Generation Technical Manual that Phasers can technically be used against other craft in warp, but only if the two ships exactly matched warp velocities. This is similar to using transporters, where in at least one episode O'Brien says the they have matched velocity for transport. Not that these rules were established at the time of TOS. In fact there were very few technical rules in place for the original series.

  • @shadowconvoy
    @shadowconvoy Рік тому +21

    Great video but I believe you missed several major advantages of the runabout and Starfleet science. Transporters, replicators, and sheilds (phasers vs blasters can be debated).
    1. Transporter:The runabout doesn't have to land. Unless it wants too.
    2.Fusion (impulse)and Antimater reactors (warp core): in most cases doesn't need specialized fueling station. (Hydrogen/anti-hydrogen: can be located/reproduced)
    3. Replicators:Onboard small Part and supply replication, food replication
    4. Advanced computers systems
    5. Medical supplies: access to med kits, tricorders other trek science amenities
    6. Shields: Starfleet shields can handle flying near the corona of stars for short periods of time
    7. 360 degree weapons coverage
    The only possible advantage I would see the Lambda is speed.

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield Рік тому +31

    The inclusion of "facilities" in the Runabout compared to the Lambda is an important advantage, I agree!

    • @WeTravelbyNight
      @WeTravelbyNight  Рік тому +5

      That aft compartment looks rather comfortable!

    • @windalfalatar333
      @windalfalatar333 Рік тому +1

      The imperial privy on the Lambda must be fitted with an upward facing aerial ball dryer, handy when you've just been, and which will make Palpy's test-a-lots flap like the pennant on the Q.E.II when travelling at 30 knots. (Vader goes in his suit.) You may want to pinch your nose when going after the Dark Shith of the Lords however. On the other hand, all Starfleet personnel are mandated to crap into a microwave oven, and here I'm not even kidding, as the proposition for the future of toiletry in cities like Dhaka is that people shit into the equivalents of microwave ovens because installing water-closets for millions of people when it's so far virtually non-existent is prohibitive. That's why Capt. Picard has such a pinched look on his face.

    • @Z1gguratVert1go
      @Z1gguratVert1go Рік тому

      The Runabout has to be more comfortable, as it is so much slower.

  • @Decrepit_biker
    @Decrepit_biker Рік тому +18

    The danube class has a matter transporter. I'd say that would make loading and unloading cargo easy... and materialising from "thin" air would be a spectacular entrance in the SW universe!
    The runabout has sheilds too..... so would mitigateuch of the shuttles weapons.

    • @WeTravelbyNight
      @WeTravelbyNight  Рік тому +5

      That is true - they would appear like magic and keep Imperial officers on their toes!

  • @derrwaddles1025
    @derrwaddles1025 Рік тому +17

    I think that I have seen where the runabout also is able to mount mission packages over the warp sled, scientific or additional weapons. This would definitely add to it's capabilities along with different variations of modules under the warp sled. I would also think that the module could be disconnected and the ship could lift off leaving the cargo module behind to be unloaded if an elevator was not available as shown.

    • @WeTravelbyNight
      @WeTravelbyNight  Рік тому +3

      The cargo module and its location makes me think of Thunderbird 2 from the classic 1960s science-fiction series.

    • @saalkz.a.9715
      @saalkz.a.9715 Рік тому +1

      Add to that the transporter system, you can unload your cargo from orbit with ease. Not to mention the capability to carry full-size photon-torpedoes.

    • @thunderboltcougar5626
      @thunderboltcougar5626 Рік тому

      @@WeTravelbyNight and that one's my favourite Thunderbird's ship.. eh🤔.. airplane i guess

    • @thunderboltcougar5626
      @thunderboltcougar5626 Рік тому

      @@WeTravelbyNight and that one's my favourite Thunderbird's ship.. eh🤔.. airplane i guess

  • @manlystranger4973
    @manlystranger4973 Рік тому +4

    At least in the case of the Imperial shuttles transporting either Vader or the Emperor, I imagine the cockpits were designed purposely so the pilots could not get out while the ramp was down. The pilots were probably in full life support suits, like TIE pilots. If Vader or Palpatine were off the shuttle, the pilots' job was to keep the shuttle ready for IMMEDIATE take off in the event the leaders of the Empire needed a speedy escape. If you let the pilots leave the cockpit, the next thing they will do is start taking coffee breaks and texting their girlfriends, etc. You lock them into the cockpit so their fate is intricately tied to yours. If Vader goes down, everyone goes down including whoever brought him into this situation because obviously they are traitors just like everyone else in the immediate 50 mile radius.

  • @thehelldoicallthis9241
    @thehelldoicallthis9241 Рік тому +6

    7:23 that is actually the lore behind wings in Star Wars. The reason a lot of fighters have wings or "foils" that open only for combat is to radiate the increased heat buildup from weapons, engines, shield generators and other systems. Then there are ships like the Falcon where heat is radiated via exhausts which are the black circles on top of the rear of the ship.

  • @Killerspieler0815
    @Killerspieler0815 Рік тому +2

    You missed somethings:: the Danube class runabout as an additional (optional) torpedo-module similar mounted as on the Miranda class ...
    also maneuverability of the Danube is better
    & it´s a smaller target + less space to store it ... and keep in mind the weapons accuracy

  • @CCFONESOL
    @CCFONESOL Рік тому +2

    Warp vs hyperdive speeds aren't equivalent.
    Warp can go anywhere. Hyperdrive can only travel hyperspace lanes. Impulse/warp vs sublight/hyperdive. Runabout is more versatile. Roundabout is also more compact for landing and avoiding weapons fire. Roundabout also has better shielding technology, and in this case more diverse weapons and coverage fire. Transporter technology etc. Federation almost always wins. Ion cannons and seismic charges notwithstanding.

  • @j.michaelpriester8973
    @j.michaelpriester8973 Рік тому +5

    Okay, here we go:
    The phasers on the runabout are basically omnidirectional, whereas the forward laser/blasters of the Lambda are fixed (the tail stinger is a turret). I don't care what disparity might exist between the 2 universes' weapons power; I'll take a vessel that can shoot in any needed direction from multiple emitters without having to change the craft's orientation over one which you need to bring the whole craft around to bring the guns to bare any day of the week.
    @SacredCowShipyards did a masterful takedown of *ALL* wings in SW. They are too small to be effective non-atmospheric radiators, and as noted, are *NOT* aerodynamic. The wings and fin on the Lambda are just total wastes of mass. Again, I'll take the compact, non-wasteful craft any day of the week.
    Speed: I'll take the vessel which doesn't blow up if you happen to graze a gravity well, even if it is a bit slower.
    But, the Lambda is pretty...

  • @captainNeda
    @captainNeda Рік тому +4

    Don't forget Transporters. That makes loading and unloading much easier, and is often ignored as a weapon. Beam the pilot out of the shuttle while shields are down, or a bomb into the cockpit and lights out.

  • @Galitwo
    @Galitwo Рік тому +4

    Well, don’t forget the runabout can fire a few full sized torpedoes if you swap out the middle section. That’s the exact same kind as the Enterprise itself fires. Yeah.

  • @TheDefiantPirate
    @TheDefiantPirate Рік тому +6

    I think you are forgetting a detail about the Runabout It has Transporters So really it does not need to physically land in order to unload cargo meaning it does not need a ramp and while i grant the villains walking down a ramp is impressive The Transporter is also used to disembark passengers and crew

  • @kjamison5951
    @kjamison5951 Рік тому +2

    Well, many points about the Danube-class Runabout were missed.
    The Bussard collectors on the front of the warp nacelles can collect particles that augment the fuel supply. Star Trek Technical Manual.
    There is a large seating area to the rear of the Runabout with a replicator. Episode: Timescape.
    The imperial shuttle appears to be more akin to the standard Starfleet shuttlecraft in that it is designed for short journeys between starships and planets.
    The Runabout was a more impressive role in its ability to be mission specific.

  • @bobsmodellingmayhem8632
    @bobsmodellingmayhem8632 8 місяців тому

    I think for the cargo pod of the Danube class, I think it would land on the planet surface, unlock the bolts ect holding it in place and then rise off it using thrusters in a similar manner to Thunderbird 2 with how that releases the pod, not counting the telescopic legs. Option two might be that the cargo pods have wheels or something to enable ground crews to pull the pod back and away from the ship.

  • @nicholasklangos9704
    @nicholasklangos9704 4 місяці тому

    I would always prefer the Runabouts, as they were meant to be customizable depending on mission needs etc as laid out in the DS9 Compendium!! Back in 1992 when the Runabout model was first released, I built one with a custom scratch built interior with lighting and full interior including the rear compartment with the tables , chairs, bunks and consoles based off my VHS recordings of the STNG episode Timescape the ONLY time it was shown and the full cockpit with transporter system, it took me weeks drawing then creating every detail out of mostly thin sheet styrene etc, it came out beautiful! The lighting was done with colored Christmas lights power d with a DC transformer!! Back then I was the first to make an interior which was also before LED lighting etc, and I won an award for innovative design at the Utica NY modelers Show! I still have it In While I always liked the Tyderium Shuttle because it was cool and an interesting design and it was Star Wars! Back when that model first released which I think was AMT, it was pretty simple but I bought two of them and painted one like the basic model and another in gloss black with flat black panel details etcetera and blood red accent stripes on the wings and tail fin. Sadly they didn’t survive past my late teens, lol. As was pointed out in the video I never saw a practical design reason for the wings in space except to look cool!

  • @brickbunny9686
    @brickbunny9686 Рік тому +8

    Weapons system wise, The Danube Runabout simply slaughters the Lambda Shuttle. The main reason is the tech difference.
    Star Wars Tech is almost purely electron energy based. Star Trek energy systems are a combination of Electronic and subatomic.
    Star Wars Weapons and Shields are limited to how they can control electrons to deliver a weapons payload.
    Star Trek can customize subatomic particles, such as making Nadeons that are specially designed to obliterate all matter beyond the limits of anti-matter.
    This difference in tech means Star Trek weapons can simply slice threw anything Star Wars can throw at it, while it takes Star wars an entire Death start just to fire a laser cannon powerful enough to cause, at most 1/5th damage to a Galaxy Class shields, when the Second Death star laser cannon is fired at FULL planet killing power, not doing its 'Verses SW capital ship' rapid fire. The Second Death Star would still have trouble trying to bring down the particle physics shields of a Galaxy Class ST ships shields to 90% if the 2nd Death Star was using its rapid fire anti SW Capital ship firing mode.
    That is how big the difference is in the tech between SW and ST, Electron only verses Subatomic particle energy, quantum mechanics control.
    And that same vast advantage ST has in science and tech also permits it to even be able to shield them selves from attacks coming from force users as well.
    Not even a Jedi nor Sith Light Sabers would be of much use, since Duranium (ST Metal and Armor) can take a lot more heat and blast pressure then Durrosteel (SW Metal and armor).
    Duranium lines both the outer hull and inner corridors of Star Fleet Ships. So that same, Quigon jams the saber into the blast door method, will still take significantly longer against Star Fleets Duranium plating. So much so, you simply wont have that quick slicing action even be possible for any light saber against a 4mm sheet of Duranium.
    Not only that, but the ability for Light Sabers to deflect/reflect SW Energy blasters won't help a Jedi nor Sith against ST weapons either, cause those vary same subatomic customized Nadeon energy particles will slice right threw the saber beam, with minimal, if any deflection at all.
    That is the kind of sheer advantage ST tech has over SW, by having such control over quantum physics and subatomic particle energy control and customization.
    The only advantage SW has over ST... A very fickle advantage at that, is the fact that SW has access to HyperSpace as a tool for travel. But its speed advantage comes at high cost. You seem to be limited to hyperspace lanes. Venture out side of those and you run the risk of getting stuck in the hyperspace dimension where monsters of unknown exist and you have a high chance of going insane. You can't look into hyperspace directly for the same insanity driving reason. Hyperspace also seems to have far more significant barriers that limit where you can go and what directions you can take. SW pretty much can't get too 1/3rd to 1/2 of its very own galaxy cause of this, much less outside of it.
    The only limit to warp travel is 2 fold: The ability of your tech to manipulate the intersection between normal space and subspace, in order to create a subspace field to use and if that interconnect between subspace and normal space hasn't been destroy by some kind of weapon, like the explosion of an omega particle.

    • @WeTravelbyNight
      @WeTravelbyNight  Рік тому

      A fascinating comment! This would certainly swing things in the runabout's favour!

  • @jamescrawford8232
    @jamescrawford8232 Рік тому +1

    The runabout has the advantage of 360 degree firing arc with its phasers. The lamda class shuttle can only fire its weapons in one direction. Meaning the runabout can do broadside attacks, and keep a steady stream of fire during approach as well as while coming around for a torpedo run. The shuttle is distinctly limited in its firing arc, requiring the turning of the entire craft to maintain fire on moving targets. Star trek ship shields are also much stronger than those of Star Wars. It's clearly stated in an episode of tng that lasers wouldn't even get through the navigational shields. That would imply that the runabout would have a major advantage against the shuttle in combat.

  • @andrewgilbertson5672
    @andrewgilbertson5672 13 днів тому

    The Scavenger Hunt- from the West End Games RPG module of the same title? I believe that one was actually named the Bonderium.

  • @davidponseigo8811
    @davidponseigo8811 Рік тому

    I am really starting to enjoy your channel !

  • @jenniferstewarts4851
    @jenniferstewarts4851 Місяць тому

    A major issue with lambda is the majority of its weapons are fixed, this means it needs to maneuver and dogfight to bring guns on target. The runabout though has 360 coverage. It could hover over a target and fire down. Without having to point its nose.

  • @jorgkirchhof7225
    @jorgkirchhof7225 Рік тому +2

    For long trips, sleeping rooms and social rooms are important as well.

    • @ronaldrobertson2332
      @ronaldrobertson2332 Рік тому

      One of my arguments-though not too much of an issue - is that the interior of the runabout should've been more tight for a vessel its size. Runabouts were about the length of a WW II PT boat, 80 feet in length. I've seen photos of an Elco 80-footer on display (Battleship Cove, MA), and it should have an interior as cramped like a small boat.

  • @capefearstormtrooper437
    @capefearstormtrooper437 Рік тому

    In an up close situation both weapons can easily match in damage. The limiting factor is range. The phasers far out class blasters in distance. Phasers don't need line of site and can pick off the lambda class shuttle without ever showing up on sensors.

  • @panelvixen
    @panelvixen Рік тому

    1:25
    From Bissau to Palau, in the shade of Avalon
    From Fiji to Tyree and the Isles of Ebony
    From Peru to Cebu, hear the power of Babylon
    From Bali to Cali, far beneath the Coral Sea
    From the North to the South, Ebudæ unto Khartoum
    From the deep Sea of Clouds to the Island of the Moon
    Carry me on the waves to the lands I've never been
    Carry me on the waves to the lands I've never seen
    We can sail, we can sail with the Orinoco Flow
    -Enya

  • @kaitlyn__L
    @kaitlyn__L Рік тому

    AIUI the front pod with the cockpit is detachable for the Runabout, and the warp sled can slide off as well, providing 3 different means of access to the central pod. But yes, in the station, they probably have a recess in the floor to load through kinda like train maintenance trenches.
    I’ve always thought it’d be cool to see the Runabout cockpit module detach to connect to a longer freight vehicle, perhaps while the first runabout was being repaired and refuelled.

  • @randybentley2633
    @randybentley2633 2 місяці тому

    While the Lambda-class is indeed faster, it does run into a very monumental problem that the Danube-class would not have to worry about at all. If any of the Star Wars ships, from the lowly Lambda shuttle to the monstrously massive DS 1 & 2 stations, were to end up in the Star Trek universe, which is set in a whole new galaxy, they would essentially be limited in how far they can travel until either Hyperlane Scouts or potentially probe droids map out safe paths for them to move along. The Runabout, on the other hand, would face no such restrictions if dropped into the Star Wars galaxy, as it could just point its nose in any direction and go.

  • @occultclassic7134
    @occultclassic7134 Рік тому

    For the FTL comparison, they really have entirely different modes of transport. The runabout has a warp drive, where hyperspace isn’t really a FTL drive itself but rather lets the ship enter or exit the hyperspace network. In trek the equivalent would be something like a naturally occurring version of the Borg transwarp conduits.
    The lambda has an advantage in range and overall speed because it can potentially travel across the galaxy in a matter or hours or days, but with the drawback that it is limited to charted hyperspace lanes and can’t go just anywhere. The runabout can’t use hyperspace so is limited to warp speeds, but can go to warp just about anywhere it wants to.
    It creates an interesting situation where both can get to locations that the other can’t. The runabout can’t travel particularly far by comparison, but can reach destinations not connected to a hyperspace lane. The lambda however can reach distant planets that would take the runabout a century to reach.
    For the traditional “who would win in a fight” debate - runabout, no contest. It can fire phasers laterally, and is more maneuverable, so can just sit alongside the lambda outside of its firing arc and slice it to pieces. There’s also the difference in type of weaponry, the lambda having the usual plasma bolt “lasers” that keep going in a straight line once fired, versus the precision particle weapons on the runabout. The plasma bolts are more powerful per impact, but can be dodged, where a phaser beam stays locked on continuously and will cause more damage over time unless interrupted. Finally there’s the warp drive, which in this case is a decisive advantage; any time the runabout takes damage it can just do a short warp jump and stay out of range until the shields recover (unless the fight is inside a gravity well or the plot requires it to be somehow disabled)
    If the lambda is able to get the first shot it could probably even the odds as long as it knocks out the warp drive, which effectively cripples Starfleet ships and causes all the containers holding piles of rocks to explode into the nearest control console. That tends to fry the computers and take out the copilot, in which case they now have to worry about manual targeting and navigating at the same time and turns the phasers into a liability. The lambda’s forward cannons are effectively “point and shoot” in the direction of travel, but the phasers need to be targeted explicitly and wouldn’t be able to keep a solid lock for long enough to cause serious damage without computer control.

  • @yeeisme
    @yeeisme 4 місяці тому

    This was a good attempt at a comparison, but the subject material awareness was topical at best.
    There are great canonical resources for both universes which could have made this a more concise comparison.

  • @seekertwo1
    @seekertwo1 Рік тому

    Great video. These two ships are close in mission, but not quite comparable. The Lambda is more of an executive personnel shuttle suited to transfer of specific officers and special ops troops. It can carry specialized cargo, but not as much as a Sentinel-class lander. The Lambda would be better compared with the Type 9 and 10 shuttles from TNG and VOY. The Runabout better compares with the capacity and modularity of the Sentinels we see in REBELS and the EU. I would also wonder how the Runabout and Type 10 shuttles would compare to the U-Wings.
    The Lambda's wings are used for heat radiation as well as housing the ship's shields, sensors, and communications equipment. If you look closely, it seems that the wings could be swapped out in case of damage or upgrade.
    If I could mount a hyperdrive on a Runabout, it would be my favorite ship. Until then, I'll stick with the U-Wing....

  • @Derekloffin
    @Derekloffin Рік тому +1

    Travel Speed: SW pretty much always takes this. There are limitations, but if you generally want to get between two distant system, SW will get you there MUCH faster... that said, ST is pretty infamous for using their secret Speed of Plot engines, but we'll ignore those.
    Combat Speed: Well, we really have seen a shuttle in much of a fight on screen. Best we have is games to go by, and that puts them at the slower to most fighters for SW, which is not surprising. So how fast are the fighters? Well... pretty damn slow actually. They go pretty much conventional speed, both on screen and in the tech manuals. Okay, so what about ST? Well, we know they can use both their impulse (capable of about 1/4 light) and warp drive during fights, so yeah not much contest here.
    Cargo: As many have said, the runabout has transporters, pretty much negating any need for manual delivery, or even landing. We're not sure how much cargo they can move or how fast, but being able to deliver cargo from orbit is a pretty big time saver, so I suspect this is in the Runabouts favor.
    Pure style: Got to admit, I've always like the shuttle. Its just got that look to it. The runabout by contrast is... a glorified brick. It could be worse but I think it loses on the ascetic front.
    Practicality: The runabout just seems way more practical. It is hard to say what those wings are for as they don't really serve any convention purpose we know of (they can't properly exhaust heat at their size). So, I'm going to have to say runabout here. Still, we're dealing with a lot of mystery tech here so who knows.
    Okay, that's leaves us with the big ones, fire power and defense which basically go hand in hand. As many have mentioned, the runabout has a firing arc advantage that is pretty important, but ultimately, it probably doesn't matter. Fact is, from what we've seen on screen, there is no contest, ST is WAY more powerful, accurate, long range, etc, etc. In fact, this contest is so bad there is argument to be made that a ST ship could actually tank the Death Star hitting it as they've shown being able to take shots other anti-planetary sources. That's probably not the case, but the fact it can even be somewhat plausible just shows the gap. Now, the runabout isn't a star ship, but it has contributed to fights with such meaning it has enough going for it to be significantly close to a full star ship, which puts it WAY out there from the poor shuttle.
    So it seems the runabout is the winner. However, all that said, it depends a bit on what exactly we're comparing. If we're comparing head to head, yeah sure runabout wins, but they aren't head to head. They're in their respective universes. So I think we have to give the shuttle a lot more credit as it serves its roll fairly well, enough so that they seem to be in very wide use. Runabouts by contrast seem more specialized and most of what the imperial shuttle does is actually covered by ST shuttles which have much less going for them. So I think for overall impact on their respective universes, the SW shuttle is actually probably the better overall as it is very versatile and apparently easy on the pocket book too. Must also remember, the shuttle is a shuttle, not a fighter. Sure it has some guns, but its primary role is not combat, it is transport. The runabout, by contrast, is meant for multipurpose so it being better in a fight isn't that shocking. There is still many questions there though.

    • @shugotenchi
      @shugotenchi Рік тому +2

      The runabout is, more-or-less, Starfleet's minivan. You can fold down or take out the middle seats depending on your needs, it gets decent milage, and some crewmen don't want to be caught dead driving one. It's officially the smallest vehicle considered an independent starship, which means it's a starship designed by accountants. "What's the absolute minimum we can get away with that does x in the most direct, bloody-minded way to meet y requirement?" Viola. A warp-capable brick with bunk beds and whatever else you cram in the trunk for work. Handy for all those little jobs you don't want to tie up a real starship for. Evacuate that relay station over there? Sure. Go stare at that stellar nursery for 3 weeks? Uh...okay? Chip me off a big hunk of that asteroid on the other side of the system. Yeah, yeah....

  • @stephenrock4541
    @stephenrock4541 Рік тому +2

    The most lethal weapon is the transporter. Energise and dump the pattern. No need for cruelty.

  • @ConnerRhoads
    @ConnerRhoads Рік тому

    The comparison I use to stress how much stronger Star Trek weapons are versus Star Wars is the necessary platforms to destroy a planet.
    In the Star Wars universe, we require something like the Death Star to destroy a planet. A platform the size of a small planet/moon/(large)astroid.
    In the Star Trek universe, the Enterprise D, a platform that could literally fly into the Death Star (provided there were 'lanes' in which could fly through) several times over. The Enterprise-D in of itself, is capable of destroying a planet equal to or larger then the Death Star can, BUT, it would exhaust all of it's armaments in doing so.
    In Star Wars, the weapons are essentially charged plasma, whereas in Star Trek (in terms of Star Fleet, at least), they employ Nadion Particles, which, depending on the cycle and discharge rate, can be a scalpel or a full blown weapon of massive destruction. There's also the point that the X-Array of phasers from Star Trek are SUPER accurate and have a much superior firing arch to anything that Star Wars weapons can muster. Finally, the nature of the weapons used in Star Wars can be dissipated by Star Trek shields "practically all day". There is a limit to how much damage Star Fleet shields can take from the plasma based weapons in Star Wars, but a Lamda Class Shuttle is never going to punch through a Runabout shields before the Runabout can destroy it.
    Its just no comparison on the weapons front. Just like its no comparison on the travel speed front.
    You should consider comparing the dog fight capabilities too; another area Star Fleet would greatly excel at in comparison.

  • @StephenRichmond89
    @StephenRichmond89 5 місяців тому

    People talk a lot about number of emitters for weapons but I'm skeptical. If we successfully make energy weapons of some kind their collective output would be limited both by the amount of energy any individual emitter can run through itself without breaking and also the total power available power plant of the vessel.
    Doubling the number of emitters is no use at all if you're already firing as much energy out as the power plant can supply. So in that respect the wider range of angles the runabout can direct that energy to seems, to me, to make it superior to Lamda. That is if the assumption about similar amount of power is accurate.

  • @TimothyChapman
    @TimothyChapman Рік тому

    The runabout breaks the rule about needing a direct line of sight between the warp nacelles.

    • @jdluntjr76226
      @jdluntjr76226 5 місяців тому

      So did the Defiant

    • @TimothyChapman
      @TimothyChapman 5 місяців тому

      @@jdluntjr76226 Which is why I don't like the Defiant.

    • @Idazmi7
      @Idazmi7 4 місяці тому

      That was never a rule.

  • @seanmurphy7011
    @seanmurphy7011 Місяць тому

    I didn't get the impression that the Lambda class shuttle was a cargo ship. It seemed more for personnel transport.

  • @michaelwarren3264
    @michaelwarren3264 Рік тому

    The Star Trek shuttle also can go at warp speed in any direction it doesn't need a hyperspace Corridor also it has Shields which lasers might not cause any damage

  • @evanbelisle8464
    @evanbelisle8464 11 місяців тому

    It really comes down to hyperdrive vs warp drive.

  • @jamesanderson6769
    @jamesanderson6769 Рік тому

    The Runabout is definitely a more complete ship. Whereas the Lambda is your basic shuttle. In legends, the tall cetwr wing was intentionally built to be big. As a ship that tall would need to be launched from a big hanger. If your a planetary governor, and an Imperial Officer comes to talk to you, you know he flew in on a Star Destroyer.

  • @rochedl
    @rochedl Рік тому

    I have the Kenner shuttle toy and the landing gear is thicker, In universe the explanation is that the shuttle is so back heavy that it does not need the front landing gear to safely land.
    For me the Star Trek shuttle is the better just for the fact that it is more maneuverable than the Star Wars Shuttle, as shown in Season 2 finale of the Mandalorian, and due to this the runabout will "Run about" in circles the star wars shuttle :).

  • @draygosmith
    @draygosmith Рік тому +1

    Ah, but which craft would make for the better toy? (And would being more toyetic be a good thing or a bad thing?)

  • @theodorewiltrout8770
    @theodorewiltrout8770 6 місяців тому

    The lambda's weapons are in a fixed position and the whole ship has to be aimed at the target to score a hit. The runabout's weapons can target any craft in a 360° firing arc and does not need to be aimed at the target like the lambda shuttle.

  • @safetinspector2
    @safetinspector2 Рік тому

    As opposed to heat dissipation perhaps the wings have a similar purpose to the tie-fighter plates?

    • @WeTravelbyNight
      @WeTravelbyNight  Рік тому

      I remember reading about those tie-fighter plates, but I can't remember off the top of my head what their purpose is. I seem to recall the explanation made sense.

  • @gtc9966
    @gtc9966 10 місяців тому

    I’d call my Runabout the Amu Darya

  • @kellyjeaularson5786
    @kellyjeaularson5786 Рік тому +1

    If I understood Runabouts are capable of interstellar travel, while shuttles are strictly confined to short trips away from their launch vessel. That said, I know that Star Wars engine technology can travel father and faster then Star Treks. But Star Trek weapon technology is far superior to Star Wars with a few expectations. Such as the Death Star and non technology such as The Force. Some factor in the Q as a defense against Jedi, but I am on the fence if The Q and others would interfere with those wielding the Force against the Star Trek universe.

  • @mhmt1453
    @mhmt1453 5 місяців тому

    You missed Bennington. There was an episode in the original series where the Enterprise fired on four ships: Lexington, Yorktown, (I think Farragut), and BENNINGTON.

    • @mb2000
      @mb2000 18 годин тому

      “The Ultimate Computer”? I believe the other ships were Lexington, Hood, Potemkin and Excalibur.

  • @jamest2401
    @jamest2401 Рік тому

    I think your model for the Lambda Class Shuttle is a bit off in regard to the ramp. First of all the ramp is much more narrow in relation to the width of the flight deck, and second, that in the actual model, the ramp pivots from further back and below on the underside of the shuttle’s neck, and is a telescoping system. If you saw the plastic model, which I once had, you’d see that there’s plenty of room for personal on the flight deck to negotiate alongside the open ramp for ingress or egress.

  • @davidponseigo8811
    @davidponseigo8811 Рік тому

    I believe the micro torpedo launchers fire more than two shots, micro torpedoes are only 13 cm. long.

  • @stekra3159
    @stekra3159 Рік тому

    Ok you have to give the lamda shuttel that it has more style and findly bits

  • @badhippo
    @badhippo Рік тому

    What I dislike about the Runabout is.... just how safe is it to land (or crash-land) on to your warp nacelles? Wouldn't it be safer to have them lifted above the point of contact?

    • @trisar2146
      @trisar2146 10 місяців тому

      Crashlanding in Star Trek generally happens due to losing all power and most thrust control, meaning all you have left are RCS thrusters (reaction control system, e.g. rockets) while inside a gravity well. At that point, the warp coils in your nacelles will generally be unpowered anyway, and the warp core has probably already been shut down and magnetic seals locked on the matter and anti-matter tanks.

  • @lesigh1749
    @lesigh1749 Рік тому

    For speed, there's just no contest, at least at FTL. Star Wars ships travel at simply ludicrous speeds. Even a class one hyperdrive such as Lambda shuttles are equipped with could cross the galaxy in about a month. As opposed to even a very fast ship in Star Trek such as the USS Voyager taking about 70 years at maximum warp to cross a quadrant of the galaxy.

    • @ironsides982
      @ironsides982 Рік тому +2

      Unless you count Star Trek 5, where the Enterprise travels from NImbus III to the center of the galaxy in (presumably) only a few hours. Perhaps instead we should discuss the most truly powerful force in the known universe- inconsistent writing.

  • @michaelbowers7400
    @michaelbowers7400 10 місяців тому +1

    That good and great.neat cool medium craft for outter space like U-hual medium cruiser for basic purposes multe purposes Multiple types tasks how it space frame is build idea,s 2023&2024 season 😅Have great day.okay.

  • @panplusk9539
    @panplusk9539 Рік тому +1

    Runabout has shields and autolock weapons. Shuttle has none of these. Its like comparing a modern jet fighter to a WW2 era propeller one. I imagine a single fazer blast at max acquisition range would fully disable if not outright destroy the shuttle.

  • @saberwing7930
    @saberwing7930 Рік тому

    I don't think these 2 compare that well. Metaphorically speaking, the Danube class is more like a DC-3 or some other kind of small cargo plane, whereas the Lambda class shuttle is a Gulfstream or other high end business jet. Or, since the Lambda is primarily for the transport of high ranking officials, than the Lambda class is more like the US presidential helicopter Marine One, while the Danube class is more like a Chinook.

  • @pex_the_unalivedrunk6785
    @pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 Рік тому

    Lone Star's Winnebago from Space Balls is better than either....even though it doesn't have any offensive abilities. Why? Because you can inject liquid Swartz straight into the drive system!

  • @Z1gguratVert1go
    @Z1gguratVert1go Рік тому

    I just assume that people are smart enough to use whatever universe they live in. If transporters are possible, the Empire is silly not to use them. If hyperspace exists, the Federation would to stupid to stick to the much slower warp drive (hyperspace engines also seem to require a much smaller percentage of a ship's components and share a lot of components with the ion drives). And so on. Otherwise it's like comparing Elminster to David Copperfield.

  • @jamest2401
    @jamest2401 Рік тому

    Aesthetically speaking, the Lambda Class Imperial Shuttle was light years ahead. It’s such a badass folding tri-wing design, lending to fantastic looking takeoffs and landings. Not to mention being a design which offers some stunning character entrances, as they descend from behind and below the flight deck. And I loved its deep tinted black windscreen and front end grill, resembling something of a late 1980’s/early 1990’s Japanese automobile. I always said it was Star Wars’s answer to the Honda Accord.

  • @james8449100
    @james8449100 Рік тому

    If you hat to land the lamder on hoth that's going to be a bad day

  • @tmanwattsutube
    @tmanwattsutube Рік тому +1

    Star Wars weaponry and craft weaponry are RIDICULOUSLY inaccurate. It's the opposite for Star Trek craft. The Runabout would own the Lamda in seconds. The info I've read about energy output is night and day in favor of the Federation. In addition, Star Trek vehicles don't seem to rely on lengthy calculations and wasted time calculating safe warp drive routes. The Lamda would never even see the means of its destruction.

  • @Belzediel
    @Belzediel Рік тому

    Ha! They are in no way comparable on speed, the Lambda is tens of thousands of times quicker. Secondary sources must be abandoned when they conflict with primary sources, and the primary source shows travel between the core of the galaxy to the rim in, at most, a few hours, and more commensurately, several minutes. SW essentially has jump drives.
    Um, well, no, the Lambda wings can be used to generate lift, just wouldn't be a fabulously efficient way to do it, but more importantly, I see zero reason to assume their purpose must be cooling. Like, legit, zero. I don't know why that would be the first guess, let alone the only one. Why could they not be, oh, I dunno, shield projectors, hyperspace tunnel prongs, comms antennae, or my take, repulsorlift / tractor beam systems?
    But as always, enjoy your videos, all in fun. :-)

  • @jdluntjr76226
    @jdluntjr76226 5 місяців тому

    Photon torpedoes - even micro photon torpedoes are matter antimatter warheads - Danube wins

  • @saquist
    @saquist Рік тому

    Technically speaking Star Trek Weapons are vastly superior to Star Wars weapons. (IN OTHER WORDS ON PAPER)
    Practically speaking when comparing their so called superior weaponry against terrestrial objects they either fail completely or look like world War II sub kiloton power.
    -In Phantom Menace a Naboo Star Fighter is take down by the same tanks blasting Gungans in the field!
    Star Trek Voager showed full ship size photon torpedoes striking a Kazon Raider attempting to shoot up a peace conference. Not only were the disrupted more like bullet shots but the torpedo that struck the ship right out side the building had zero concussion force.
    We see tie fighters firing on the rock bellow the Millennium Falcon but not rock melting or craters.
    It's just too inconsistent...

  • @windalfalatar333
    @windalfalatar333 Рік тому

    Star Wars weapons are a lot more powerful than their Star Trek counterparts. There are places where the exact J were given for the various weapons, which were quoted in a video I saw. An X-wing is roughly equivalent to an Ambassador class cruiser so far as I can recall. (The Ambassador class is just below the level of the class which the Enterprise-D, the biggest of the Enterprise ships, occupies, which I think is designated 'Constellation'.)

    • @SuperGamefreak18
      @SuperGamefreak18 Рік тому +2

      Your sources because if I remember correctly a better comparison for most Star Wars ship is plasma weaponry similar to romunlan firepower but if I remember right Star Wars has shorter range.. wait correction imperial ships are have shorter ranges and while decent accuracy not as well reliable as some shots in trek. Most republic (old and new) designs are more efficient and reliable overall. Shield grids of the federation is usually on par at worse with the mon calimari.

    • @jacobvaughn9276
      @jacobvaughn9276 Рік тому +2

      Star trek weapons blow star wars ones out of the water in several respects: range, precision, and adaptability. Star trek phasers have been shown to target a city block and stun everyone in it fron space, and are accurate enough to target specific subsystems off other spacecraft. Star wars weapons have high firepower, but high inaccuracy and range. Also the speed of trek ships make them akin to fighters. I'd give the point here to trek any day.

    • @SuperGamefreak18
      @SuperGamefreak18 Рік тому +1

      @@jacobvaughn9276 agreed what’s the point of have many cannons when you have obvious sensor domes that can be targeted from a moon away. It’s also why I mentioned the old/new republic ships along with calamari ships cause well the calamari ships are a decent analog for federation ships for one after all there’s a reason the newer republic ships mostly were scaled down they were ALOT more effective and efficient than star destroyers which honestly are like those Kazon barges in voyager.

  • @covlinuxguy
    @covlinuxguy Рік тому +1

    RUNABOUT FOR THE WIN. STAR WARS SUCKS LOLZ......