When Luffy has the scars come off, that’s no damage taken. It’s just his way of blocking or not being affected by it in a Looney Tunes matter. Luffy’s trolling the entire time.
Jinbe's was more like surprise reaction, he wasn't expecting a giant Haki from some unknown fighter, as for reacting to Shanks, Shanks is miles away out of the island far away from Jinbe, Mars was much closer to Jinbe. Distance is a factor since Marco told the new guys to hide inside the ship when Shanks arrived.
Multiple characters commented on the haki from the gorosei You are heavily coping Jimbej was shocked by the haki itself Not to mention that Mars destroyed the labo barrier with his haki The same barrier that damaged luffy badly Lucci also said to zoro dont you want to know where this giant amount haki comes from Warcury knocking out marine soldiers who were not even on egghead island The gorosei have top tier haki on the lvl of the yonkos and possibly even higher for maybe except shanks
@@walleater92they aint clapping anything lmao Just because they landed some attacks doesnt mean anything Luffy cant even defeat one gorosei and he is much stronger than the giants But still the giants arent weak Dorry and broggy are high tier commander lvl at least
Because Wano has been stated to be 1,000 Ri in length in chapter 972 a ri being roughly 4 km meaning wano is 4,000 KM in length and Greenbull was in the center of that while shanks wasn’t even at the border meaning he was 3,000 KM at the lowest away from Greenbull, again this is from chapter 972 anything else is headcanon and well “it can’t” this is fiction dude one piece has 6 moons also 😂
that haki is only pinpointed to 1 admiral in miles while Mars war boar roar spread the entire island of egghead, that war cry of coc haki is insane its even greater than a yonko can do.
You say that but look at someone like crocodile who oda himself even admits, he brought him into the story too early. What did he do in Marineford? What position is he in now? But he doesn’t care about how strong his characters are?🤨
This is literally just not true. There is powerscaling within the manga throughout the entirety of the story. Oda goes through great lengths to make sure the internal power scale is always consistent.
@@cjg60411 Exactly, otherwise we actually would've gotten the Usopp vs lucci fight where an oda that doesn't care would have usopp win........Wonder why that didn't happen
I mean only an idiot would think the gorosei and imu could command the entire marines and yet the admirals are stronger than them lol like make it make sense cmon now people
"Without the regen they arent that strong" what is the point of yall saying this? They have it so it has to be considered. Its the luffy vs kizaru round 1 all over again, why do we have to re-explain this. It Doesnt matter if they dont have strong attacks if they can outlast you thats still a W. If shanks cant kill one of these mfs doesnt matter if its a 30 day fight they can keep going until you cant and thats a valid win condition
yeah but they aren't stronger still, immortal? sure, stronger? nope, even if they can stall every top tier to win by outlasting them, they aren't stronger, by that standard marco should be scaled way higher, even tho he is not.
@@gabrielemazzei9063 youre taking the word "stronger" too literally. In general use for scaling people often say "stronger" to mean they would win in a fight not literal strength.
Can't take KOL'S powerscaling seriously anymore. Dude went off the deep edge way too many times with way too many characters. Only KOL makes you defend a character you dislike because his powerscaling take is so bad.
The power systems in One piece are so nebulous, weird, inconsistent and context dependent I don't take anyone's power scaling that seriously. Everyone has bias, everyone weights feats, stats and portrayal differently, and everyone has multiple picks for their strongest characters in the series that makes you wonder what they were smoking. Ultimately it was never that serious
Hold up, are we including Aokiji and Akainu? Because if so, the admirals are still leagues above the gorosei because of those 2. #1. The Gorosei were terrified of the Nika fruit's awakening. If someone is scared of something, that means they have a weakness. The Gorosei are not unbeatable just because they have regen. #2. Kizaru has been dealing with someone who is in the top 15 to top 5 right now and that's Luffy. Why is this such a downgrade for Kizaru in the eyes of the community? Before Egghead, did anyone really think Kizaru would have beaten a Yonko, one on one? Kaido? Big Mom? Shanks? Or Blackbeard? No, I didn't see anyone saying that. So, why is it belittling Kizaru so much? Luffy is in the same category of pirate as them, Kaido pretty much confirmed that when we saw his top 5 and when he said he would have be beaten by JoyBoy. #3. Last point, Gear 5th is not fair to scale, because it bypasses durability with it's abilities and turning people into rubber. (Which also means Luffy in Gear 5th can touch Logia's without haki.) No one in the series has had a fighting style like Gear 5th.
TONS of people argued Kizaru is yonko level. On fact they STILL DO. They believed he could legit stop big mom and kaido from teaming up by himself because he said so. They believe luffy vs kizaru was a draw because luffy got tired from gear 5 and kizaru got up first. They believe kizaru is SO "mentally nerfed" that his feats dont even matter. They say he was focussed on vegapunk not luffy thats why it went down like that (as if luffy wasnt focussed on vegapunk). They say he took no damage from luffy even though we litterally saw him take damage. They say he no diffed snakeman. They claim luffy is above yonko level thats why kizaru is still up there. They say he is just not using awakening which makes him yonko level. It's worse than you think.
@@MrSub132 those are outliers. Most people always assumed that the yonkou were above the admirals. With that said, I believe Kizaru is nerfed on Egghead and didn't fight at his best, but that doesn't mean he's stronger than a full HP Luffy. Two things can be true at the same time. Kizaru is nerfed, but Luffy is stronger than him. In different circumstances, a fight between them would look very different.
KOL conveniently chooses manga events for some characters and then chooses head canon for the character he is defending. Based on Manga events, Luffy low diff two admirals is the craziest. But he will try to add this to kaido and BM’s clout for no reason lol. Luffy defeated kaido Day1 of his Gear5 and he has gotten far better now..
@@thedankgnasty1890 thats oda’s style of writing Doffy fought law and Luffy while having bird Cage. Does that mean Doffy is powerful than Luffy? Besides luffy literally died when CP0 intervened and he got clean hit by kaido… u can see this parallel zoro saw grim reaper and both luffy and zoro took same time to recover…
@@walterholyfield3203 dude again. That is oda’s style of writing 1st Cp0 intervend and Kaido got a clean hit which KOed Oden and Luffy.. it is one of the or the most powerful attack of Kaido. Luffy died … this was the version of luffy that was inferior to Kaido… Then came his awakening … A parallel from previous arc So Just coz Doflamingo was fighting law and luffy and also had Bird cage over dressrossa, had no break when luffy got 10 mins ..hez more powetful than Luffy? Obviosuly not U have to see what happens after the transformation. He was Jumpskipping Kaido, and One shot him with One hit… that is the power of G5 and that is his DAY1 of G5, he only gets better afterwards (again G4 use to drain him initially, but now, luffy uses it whenever he wants, so the more u use it, the less stamina Drained) Now if u want to argue, whoz Tankier. I would say Kaido is the Tankiest out of all Yonkos past and present .. but tanking alone is not good enough. G5 Luffy is the EOS luffy. This is his peak. Hez the main Protaganist … and low diffing 2 admirals is the craziest feat ever recorded in Manga…
@@LostDVayne Bro yes thats exactly what it meant. Luffy couldn’t beat eithef of them by himself so he was weaker. Your basically tryna argue android 17 over jiren cause he got the last hit. Its blashphemy. Its not oda everybody in shonen writes like that so the overpowered villain can realistically lose. Wheb Yuji finally puts sukuna down your gonna say he was stronger???
I don’t think many people have noticed, but when Warcury turns his tusks into blades the position of his tusks change. They are no longer in the corners of his mouth. He can probably move his tusks freely from his body.
We don't know that they are actually immortal, or what kind of immortality they might have if they even have it. All we really know is that they have very good regeneration. But there could be, and most likely is, a trick to it. One that Shanks can probably exploit.
Clearly gonna be a case of “you need strong enough haki to bypass their healing” Also, if we wanna get *technical* Shanks wouldn’t loose…..it’d just be a stalemate based on his inability to do permanent damage. Him not being able to do damage doesn’t mean he can’t block or avoid everything a Gorosei throws at him.
Why didn’t he do it when he met with them why not taken them out then and there nothing stopping yoir god shanks like you people act like one peice characters are gods people said kaguya loses to big mom
The Gorosei have stated they want to preserve the 3 great powers. Their goal was never to wipe out the Pirates. It was merely to maintain the balance between the great powers. Idle hands are the devil's tools. If the Marines ever ran out of Pirates to fight they might start thinking about true justice. And that is also a dangerous situation for the Gorosei. IMO a deal was struck with Shanks to end the war before one side could wipe out the other. I believe part of the deal was stopping Kaido as well. The Gorosei wanted to prevent Marineford from getting out of hand, and disrupting delicate balance. But they couldn't just tell the Marines themselves to stand down. Otherwise they might lose the loyalty of the Marines and the WG's constituent kingdoms. Shanks played along because it served his interests as well. Thus he was granted passage over the red line. That is the weak version. The strong version is that Shanks is a God's Knight. That would explain why he got away with stealing the Gum Gum fruit. And why he could enter the Reverie as well. Remember, Doflamingo's father had to sign away his rights as a God. Shanks did no such thing. So he might enjoy the privileges of that heritage with no strings attached. Celestials are allowed to act like pirates, afterall. But that still isn't the strongest version. The strongest version is that Garling staged God Valley, in order to assassinate the former Commander, so that he could end the hunting games. And that he and Shanks are working from the inside to bring down the WG as father and son. That would explain why Mihawk left Shanks' crew, as many have speculated. Mihawk was a former God's Knight, and felt betrayed when Shanks joined up with Garling, his former commander. It also might explain what Shanks cried about. Roger may have told him to go with Garling. Garling probably told Roger and Garp his plan at God Valley. He may have even told Roger which chest he would leave Shanks in. He gave Roger his son because he didn't want Shanks to grow up as a celestial and be corrupted. When Roger realized he couldn't bring in the dawn, he came to the conclusion that the best option would be for Shanks to work with Garling. And Roger's request is why Shanks gave up his search for the One Piece. If he were to go after it, he couldn't be a God's Knight. He can do anything but that. But now that the tide has turned, Shanks is preparing to go after it. Once the final war concludes, I speculate Shanks will have all the rubbings needed to reach laughtale. And so will all the other Yonkou. Thus begins the race Laughtale, and the ultimate 4 way Davy Back fight. That's the dream anyway. I've always felt BB's crew would be excellent in a Davy Back fight.
YEAA i always have called it, gorosei being the final bosses but never participing in the war per se, only if need, cause now is time for cleansing, the ppl getting too much close to the TRUTH
When all is said and done, there'll probably be dissertations written to unravel Shanks' web of motivations and allegiances. Suffice it to say, I think your strongest idea is indeed great, but as a layer of obfuscation preceding Shanks' true, unspoken beliefs. Probably the final layer, actually. I think he is indeed nominally aligned against the WG - there's no deception there, he really does hate them - but deep down he has effectively conditioned himself against accepting any hope or chance of success. Allowing himself to get dismembered and giving Luffy the straw hat was just as much a 'quiet quitting' of sorts as a hand-off to the next generation, I don't expect Shanks even now will be a dependable ally. He has grown accustomed to, and lowkey covets the status quo, leading him to somewhat selfishly act to preserve it, with his cultivated pessimism and dread of Im being the deepmost factor. Only at the last moment will he realise that his 'bet' on Luffy, although he didn't 100% mean it at the time, was a genuinely providential act he can fully believe in.
Saying the Gorosei are over the admirals is saying that the straw hats would have a better shot at winning if they fought Akainu, Aokjij, Kizaru, Fujitora and Green Bull than beating the Gorosei. The literal only reason the Gorosei are a threat is because of their regeneration. Not a single other attack they have is a problem but somehow they are being compared to the admirals. If you want to say that they would outlast the admirals then by that logic the Gorosei beat Roger, White Beard, Rocks, Kaido and Shanks in a 5 v 5 but people won't say that because we'll magically say that they would somehow do it
Regeneration isn’t the only reason the Gorosei are a threat. It’s the main reason, yes, but not the only. If it weren’t for Luffy’s Nika power keeping them at bay, all of the Straw Hats would be screwed right now.
i mean by outlasting roger wb etc due to immortality regeneration whatever they would be stronger by default however we have yet to see an admiral using acoc like most of the gorosei displayed and they all got some form of mythic zoan fruit which by default have weird but powerful hax in general at least from what we have seen so far so they are extremly safe to say stronger or more dangerous opponents than any of the admirals
they scale the admirals also down because kizaru stayed down seemingly because of luffy while saturn immediately stood up. the real reason is irrelevant to them.
Powerscaling is so easy in One Piece, idk why people are having such a hard time. The gorosei are stronger, because they use conquerors haki. They are kizarus bosses. They lead the world, ofc they are stronger. An Emperor like Shanks, Luffy, Big Mom, etc. will be stronger than them individually, because Luffy can deal with them. But he cant hurt them (yet). Once this weakness gets figured out, characters like Zoro, Law, Kid, Sanji, will be able to defeat them most likely, once they get their next power up. (Also Kid and Law are equals and both are stronger than Zoro, just to throw some oil in the fire)
With their regeneration hax they're around admiral level. But once that gets figured out, they'd be around first commander + level (Law and Kidd) is my bet.
They are the top dogs of the organization ruling the world. They have sick ass conquerors haki. "Commander level" Stop powerscaling and just enjoy the story for what it is would be my tip to you.
I don't understand this "if the regen gets figured out" argument. Sure, maybe that'll apply to some Strawhats & their allies in the future, but it doesn't nerf the elders, it would just be considered as a plot element, as are many things in the series. It's not like the rest of the verse can instantly counter them once a weakness to their regen is found
Terrible take which shows how dumb most one piece fans are No first commander has haki on the lvl of the gorosei You could easily argue that they have haki on yonko lvl Jimbej never made a comment about someones haki being so powerful Lucci commented on it as well and was shitting bricks when he saw mars Mars also destroyed the labo barrier with his haki That barrier did more damage to luffy than kizaru lol The gorosei are above admirals in every way Gorosei>admirals
To be fair, King Bradley wasn't the Head. Father was the head. Bradley was simply a figured head that followed orders just like everyone else. Father and Imu were/ are at the top and don't go out into battle.
the issue with shanks feat is that its stated to be an all out haki attack could we say that the gorosei are going all out? , also shanks and mihawk were shaking the new world when they battled implying they were clashing conquers haki
I been saying it for a while now since Wano. The Gorosei is slightly under Admiral level, and the Holy Knights are slightly above 1st division Commander.
I always watched these people powerscale and I never watched the show but I started reading the manga on the same day / chapter luffy died and awakened. After I started watching the show from ep 1 seeing how the dmg and the fighting goes throughout the show has me confused at times. Ora isn’t powerscaling he’s having fun and that’s what matters ultimately at the end
Why is nobody pointing out that Oda already ranked the Gorosie for us, each summoning circle had a number on it, old samurai had number 2 and sanji dad was ranked number 1 which makes sense considering he is fighting luffy alongside the boar and Saturn
I think thar nobody is talking about that because i guess that the majority of the fandom has a thing of Nusjuro bring the steongest gorosei and Not Ju Peter? On my opnion that Numeration can be about the order that they were recruited for the Gorosei, like Ju Peter being the first or last(if you wanna start from 1 to 5 or 5 to 1) depending on your opnion about this
Because there is no evidence that it relates to their strength. That could very well be in reverse order, and/or simply relate to seniority. Those numbers could mean anything.
@@Infidel.Whys that a bad thing though. He has so many good characters to use the Goresei cant be a focal point. We still got Im himself, the God knights, most likely a handful of matured seraphim, and Akainu to worry about.
17:12 strong enough Conquerors Haki can either split space-time (upgraded scale from splitting the sky) or can essentially no-clip/glitch someone through space time like the 4th Raikage's jutsu from Naruto
They have stronger haki than the admirals And kizaru is long defeated Meanwhile saturn is still fighting luffy Only gorosei haters and admiral fanboys cant cope with the fact that the gorosei>admirals
@@KeinProblem-uv5jhHow do they have stronger haki than the Admirals? Luffy was sweating his ass off when he felt Kizaru. It takes all five Elders showing up to get the same reaction
Just 2 (crazy) thoughts 1. What if the Gorosei were actually the real devils trapped within the fruits and Imu was somewhat able to separate them from their fruits and let them loose. And Maybe they obey Imu not just bc of a hierarchy thing but also bc Imu knows how to seal them back into fruits. This could explain why Oda presented the Gorosei in the description bubble like real devils instead of DF users. This makes me think Imu is the last fight as BB uses multiple DV powers trapped inside of him but Imu is on a whole other level where he/she can release these things. 2. We’ve seen all kinds of races and tribes with different attributes. The magic (or alchemy?) thing may actually be real and Imu was like a powerful witch/alchemist/scientist at that time who created a way to seal all sorts of things in fruits. It was all good until Imu did the forbidden/unthinkable thing of also sealing living things in fruits. This could also explain why Zoan fruits are special
maybe haki strength is bound to willpower or not maybe thats pretty clear but how big ur haki pool is might be linked to life force like the gorosei might not have the strongest haki in the verse but they might have an infinite supply
Gorosei should be around Admiral level in order to be a treat in the final war to the other Strawhat Members. Godknights will probably be handled by Dragon and the Revolutionary while Sabo goes after Akainu. IMU is Luffy's fight and Luffy's fight ONLY. Idc if its after or before his fight with BB.
My personal theory is that the gorosei aren't actually people. They're created by Imu's devil fruit. Hence the loyalty and hence why they don't seem to take damage from Luffy, and also why home dude would just be able to summon his fellow gorosei.
I'm still not impressed at all with the gorosei They couldn't really hurt anyone other than vegapunk who has no combat abilities at all. While one of them stopped the pacifista, they did state he did not destroy them, he only froze their circuits with his ice powers. The only thing the got going for them until now is their immortality, and long range conqueror's which can only knock out fodder.
Are you stupid?! They literally JUST arrived at the island. How tf are you saying you're not impressed when they literally haveny started doing anything...
Did you not see that conquerors attack? That's a yonko level feat....the only person we saw shake a whole island with conquerors in big mom...actually all the best conqueror's haki attacks that we've seen come from yonko level characters...so stop it...thats like saying without G5 Luffy isnt Yonko level, without the fish fruit Kaido isnt Yonko level, without her soul fruit big mom isnt Yonko level....stop making excuses...cause you cant take away their healing.
@@lou98t I saw it. You are hyping it up as devastating yet it did nothing but shake the surroundings and have people react like "Woah haki". There was no damage caused to anybody. He was sent flying immediately after by Dorry and Broggy. Then Luffy redirected Saturn's poison bombs, which would have killed them both if not for the regen. Ju Peter would be dead, decapitated by Dorry and Broggy if not for the ability. Sure you can argue they are careless because they can rely on the regen, but why even bother if you are so powerful. They have a hax Deus ex machina power.
@@sagovana Wym? Jinbe who’s has witnessed Big Mom’s, Kaido’s, Shanks’, and Luffy’s haki just freaked out from feeling their haki. Rob Lucci got scared asf when one of them approached him. Trying to say they aren’t strong because hax is crazy when we just got all this other haki stuff. And you’re acting like Dorry and Broggy didn’t have to block the attack so they didn’t get blown away. And Conquerors haki was never a physically taxing ability, it’s more of a mental thing. In the sense that anyone who’s will is weak can’t stand up to someone with conquerors. So trying to say he didn’t hurt anyone is just goofy because that’s not what conquerors haki does. He did what he was suppose to do, which is show his will power by forcing his haki around the island. If that was shanks or kaido who did that, NOBODY would try to disrespect that feat…but since it isn’t Shanks you’re trying to act like that isn’t nothing. Just remember that Jinbe was “scared” of their haki but not Shanks’ haki.
My biggest thing about these guys is that they HAVE to be immortal in some way right? No chance that the Elders are just getting replaced due to age. They may look old, but if they were really old and closing in on that old age death, they'd be finding people to take their place. Instead, their acting as if they are just top dogs still. I sort of get why you don't think they are yonko level. Mostly because right now, Luffy's aim to be king of the pirates means he WILL have to fight the Yonkos to prove he's strongest. So, if he's fighting something already stronger than them, that would make a fight against the yonkos sort of dull. I just don't like how suddenly all the elders decide to pop into egghead like this. We saw nothing of them until now and then boom, all of them? Feels too forced...
Notice how Luffy never reacts to Kaido’s haki, but Topman scares the Nika out of him. It’s not just eyes simply popping out this time, it’s like he got shaken to the core sensing Topman.
How can you say this is the Gorosei full power when they haven't even used their hybrid forms yet? Just take the L and admit they're stronger than the admirals, especially now that we know they have CoC.
So far the elders are Admiral level combatants with Immortality they haven't shown anything THAT impressive YET, and 2 of the elders have been getting worked by Dorry and Brogy, who are strong in their own right but i don't see the two giants winning vs an admiral
Dorry and broggy pushed back Warcury once, and snuck Jupeter once. Thats not "getting worked" lmao. And if you wanna play that game Kaido was getting worked by scabbards right?
@@LrNika bro how do you get "Snuck" by Giants, and I don't see any of the Admirals getting "Pushed back" Or taking damage like the elders did to where Jupeter is diced up and Warcury get's immediately parried by them.
Haki is tied to will power but what if that is connected to belief which also ties into focus. Hear me out, every fight luffys been in, the opposition 'believed' themselves to be better than luffy and that he wasnt strong enough. Luffy is the flip "imma beat yo ass cuz i have to. And aint stoppin till you dont get up". Luffy gets his ass kicked for 75% of the fight but he never doubts that he will. The opposition over the course, IN EVERY FIGHT, starts to question "Why wont he stay down", "How does he have anymore strength left". This, hypothetically, causes their own belief in themselves and powers to be shaken. Then the focus is no longer winning but "how much longer can this go on?" But luffy, never waivers even when he was unconscious. Just a thought. Haki might be a deeper way to view characters, not just in terms of strength. The 5 elders believe what they are doing, demons never leave on their own. You gotta force em.
Saw it too That was a good argument.... Powers as unique as kaidos df and Haki strong enough to shake the whole island.....the only other person who did that was Garp Also they are immortal, so we can't even damage them unlike the yonkous
i actually think this is the reason BM and Kaido arent dead, they both are needed for each for a gorosei. admirals arent confirmed conquerors, thats why.
i find it funny how people from a predominately english speaking nation can not finish a sentence without adding "like' 10 times over when they brains momentarily shuts down
We don't even know if the admirals have awaken their devilfruits, but keep saying that kizaru didn't even use his awakening 😅 If we see an awakening on the marine side,I believe it is going to be smoker.....
13:30 thats a fair point, but that wouldnt actually increase their haki level or amount/capacity it would be kind of like their haki just does not get depleted.
Weither or not they are stronger, it doesn't matter, because they are immortel after all, as we currently know, unless the usual weakness of devil fruits, they are unbeatable.
haki is a will power thing but we do no that armament and observation can grow stronger every battle (so its like an XP level up thing, which could explain why OP characters get stronger past every island and why BB said luffys haki got stronger pre skip). SO if the elders are immortal can their haki in theory keep leveling up over the years (but that would depend if they are active in fights. say do they spar with each other to get stronger in the holy land?).
12:00 jimbei could just be comenting that the haki is impresive for people who arent emperors (or in shanks case since he dont know whose haki that was). it be kinda weird to say emperors have strong haki when thats a given.
Haki is the least intuitive power system in its genre. You can't just run out of Chakra and will yourself into regenerating ( cough kid & law ). The color scheme and wave pattern look the same as well. Maybe a different waveform to distinguish conquerors from other forms.
What I want to know is why mention the God knights if they aren't going to be final enemies of the straw hats? Will the God knights just be for the revolutionaries?
"Normally the larger they are, the slower they are. Not One Piece baby!" Normally the older they are, the weaker they are. Not One Piece baby. Garp top 5!
The elders had time to cultivate their haki. They are immortal so they can burst out as much as they want i assume. But there is a certain amount they can work with
Someone please explain to me why everyone sees black lightning and goes STRAIGHT to conquerors haki. We've seen black lightning used on armament attacks so many times before. Yall are too caught up on WHICH haki is being used. When, it doesn't really matter. The point is that very strong haki is being exerted and that's all we should be concerned with.
@@Chaosking707 yeah that's Oda giving us the top tier sky splitting feat, and when he made it know that CoC was the next level in Luffy's growth, and how powerful it is. Oda isn't going to spell out everytime luffy is using something in his arsenal, like future sight. We just know he has it and can use it.
It’s laughable how ppl don’t think kizaru, one of the three OG admirals, some of the highest powers in the marines, doesn’t have an awakening. If we don’t see it by the end of the arc it’s most likely logies don’t have them
I think they’re equal or maybe a little above some admirals (Kizaru Fujitora Greenbull) But I don’t think the Strawhats are fighting them these guys are Dragon and Sabo victims
Yeah at this point Elders> Admirals. Putting the immortality aside, Warcury has yonko level haki, Ghandi can neg diff half the mark 3 pacifists on the island in less than a minute, Saturn has venom bombs that explode like nukes, and Mars could break through the labo stratum barrier at 100%. Admirals on the other hand have been looking extremely mid in the post time skip. I think it’s fair to say, there is a much bigger gap between the admirals and yonko than many fans thought, with characters like Mihawk and the Elders in that gap.
Hey KOL, was the OPE-OPE no mi perhaps used over the centuries by slaves to give the Gorosei there immortal bodies? Ps. Wasn't Luffy still in Gigante form when he moonwalked back to Kaido after getting hit by his blast breath?🤔
All I wanna say is ppl downplay Dorry and Broggy for “losing” to Mr 3 who schemed to get them looking bad, but will forget all the lore behind them and how they destroyed a creature the size of Onigashima with shitty weapons. These guys are combo fighters, when they’re together, it’s stated that they’re unstoppable.
Luffy > Kaido Reasoning The common bs- oh he was holdimg up onigashima and had no breaks That is oda’s style of writing 1st Cp0 intervend and Kaido got a clean hit which KOed Oden and Luffy.. it is one of the or the most powerful attack of Kaido. Luffy died … this was the version of luffy that was inferior to Kaido… Then came his awakening … A parallel from previous arc So Just coz Doflamingo was fighting law and luffy and also had Bird cage over dressrossa, had no break when luffy got 10 mins ..hez more powetful than Luffy? Obviosuly not U have to see what happens after the transformation. He was Jumpskipping Kaido, and One shot him with One hit… that is the power of G5 and that is his DAY1 of G5, he only gets better afterwards (again G4 use to drain him initially, but now, luffy uses it whenever he wants, so the more u use it, the less stamina Drained) G5 Luffy is the EOS luffy. This is his peak. Hez the main Protaganist … and low diffing 2 admirals is the craziest feat ever recorded in Manga…
I don't think the Gorosei are immortal, I think it's either a trick, a level of power you have to reach to be able to deal damage with those guys or there is a threshold on how much damage they can take without getting hurt.
Scaring a admiral is dogshit compared to 2 yonkos be very fr with urself no one brings up greenbull in powerscaling again 2 old men did more to more powerful opponents switch greenbull with luffy or bb he would be scared more than shanks “Not yet anyway”
Oda does not need to explain why in the end of the day the Gorosei did not move until now. I personally think that the full power of the whole government, Marines, Shichibukai, Five elders, God knights, Imu etc if all of them when against the Yonko combine they would owned the Emperors. There will be huge causalities yes but the WG would still win, that's the whole point of them being the so called final faction that's standing in Luffy's way. Need to keep in mind that this faction has literally been in power for centuries and not once have they fall in their dominance. And suddenly because how powerful the Yonko are they can suddenly win. No, that thought doesn't make sense in the context and narrative of what Oda is setting up this end game dudes to be. KOL beliefs if Shanks were to fight the Gorosei 5 vs 1 Shanks would win? Really! again it's not matching this buildup of the final saga threat. That throughout history of One Piece only one guy is gonna bring the dawn and that's Luffy. Please If we are gonna nick pick stuff like Oh! if the WG could literally wipe out all the Yonko if they wanted to why didn't they, then what's the point of setting up your story in the first place. This just removes all the fun out of it, there has to be a certain understanding to be given to the author when they build their context of their story and not second guessing every single thing we feel that needs to be explained.
I think we can all say Saturn is probably the weakest of the 5 and he seems to be holding up better than kizaru. but that doesn't mean anything yet I'm betting they are not far off power wise but have the advantage because they don't have to stress the defense. guess we find out in a couple more weeks.
Actually only Yonko has a bigger chance of beating Gorosie. Shanks can nullify df power due to his strong haki, Blackbeard has dark fruit who also has an ability nullify df power, Luffy has strong haki the same time son god Nika fruit.
When it comes to certain characters awakening we have to take into consideration the possible damage that can occur. Doflamingo is just a taste of the kind of collateral that can happen to an island. Dressrosa was TRASHED. Punk hazard? Akainu and Kizaru permanently changed the climate of an island. Yall tossing the plot, fr.
So we’re just going to let this individual claim Bradley was doing anything as the head of an organization? Every time he attacks somebody in the early stages of the series he was acting as a servant of their father. Not as the leader of the country.
When Luffy has the scars come off, that’s no damage taken. It’s just his way of blocking or not being affected by it in a Looney Tunes matter. Luffy’s trolling the entire time.
He's not trolling. Not everything in G5 is a joke. He attacks in a goofy way and gets affected/hurt by attacks in a goofy way. That's G5.
@@MihawkTopOneit did literally nothing to luffy 😂😂 please stop coping
@@korengraham3727just because he won doesn't mean he didn't take damage. Luffy damn near died 😅
Joy boy died that's a very telling aspect. Nobody in one piece is all powerful
The giants were okay, they asked if he was okay his eyes were blank his body was in disarray, Nika was effected not a bad thing to admit.
Jinbe's was more like surprise reaction, he wasn't expecting a giant Haki from some unknown fighter, as for reacting to Shanks, Shanks is miles away out of the island far away from Jinbe, Mars was much closer to Jinbe. Distance is a factor since Marco told the new guys to hide inside the ship when Shanks arrived.
Multiple characters commented on the haki from the gorosei
You are heavily coping
Jimbej was shocked by the haki itself
Not to mention that Mars destroyed the labo barrier with his haki
The same barrier that damaged luffy badly
Lucci also said to zoro dont you want to know where this giant amount haki comes from
Warcury knocking out marine soldiers who were not even on egghead island
The gorosei have top tier haki on the lvl of the yonkos and possibly even higher for maybe except shanks
@@KeinProblem-uv5jhgorosei are trash, my boys broggy and droggy is clapping and slicing those super duper haki fake ass gorosei
@walleater92 dorry and broggy aren't bums tho. And if you wanna go there, kaido was damaged by scabbards, is he also a bum?
Ridiculous amounts of cope from this post. The Gorosei are strong. Accept it already.
@@walleater92they aint clapping anything lmao
Just because they landed some attacks doesnt mean anything
Luffy cant even defeat one gorosei and he is much stronger than the giants
But still the giants arent weak
Dorry and broggy are high tier commander lvl at least
gorosei are scar level confirmed
It’s exhausting how you people just make up levels to suit your agenda 😂
@@codeonexz3813 Maybe don't take everything so seriously? That's always an option
Scar?
@@scottiecurrie7927 maybe the “😂” emote applies that I wasn’t
@@codeonexz3813 It doesn't, not in the slightest. Quite the opposite in fact, but you knew that
Shanks was about 10 or 20 miles of the coast of Wano! Why do you assume he was thousands of miles away!!!?? Marco even hitched a ride with them.
Wano is massive yeah he was off the coast but you still need it to travel to the capital
Because Wano has been stated to be 1,000 Ri in length in chapter 972 a ri being roughly 4 km meaning wano is 4,000 KM in length and Greenbull was in the center of that while shanks wasn’t even at the border meaning he was 3,000 KM at the lowest away from Greenbull, again this is from chapter 972 anything else is headcanon and well “it can’t” this is fiction dude one piece has 6 moons also 😂
that haki is only pinpointed to 1 admiral in miles while Mars war boar roar spread the entire island of egghead, that war cry of coc haki is insane its even greater than a yonko can do.
UA-camrs: trying their hardest to analyze powers and do scaling
Oda: ... 🤷♀ ... i really dont even care
You say that but look at someone like crocodile who oda himself even admits, he brought him into the story too early. What did he do in Marineford? What position is he in now? But he doesn’t care about how strong his characters are?🤨
And I love that. Most power scalers are pretentious one-dimensional M-fers.
Oda cares alot, its just not your favorite series, clown.
This is literally just not true. There is powerscaling within the manga throughout the entirety of the story. Oda goes through great lengths to make sure the internal power scale is always consistent.
@@cjg60411 Exactly, otherwise we actually would've gotten the Usopp vs lucci fight where an oda that doesn't care would have usopp win........Wonder why that didn't happen
Before Agenda Piece, the fun was to watch KOL horrible powerscaling. Truly an OG in the community.
I mean only an idiot would think the gorosei and imu could command the entire marines and yet the admirals are stronger than them lol like make it make sense cmon now people
Are real-life politicians arr weak compared to our generals, but they still run the show
True but this is one piece not real life and im sure imu is above most of the verse
They're more like Kage than IRL politicians. Or like old school warrior kings, who used to lead their armies into battle.
@@Chaosking707 did you seriously compare real life to anime ? 🤣🤡🤡
@@daddygravely4673 fr like what is bro saying
"Without the regen they arent that strong" what is the point of yall saying this? They have it so it has to be considered. Its the luffy vs kizaru round 1 all over again, why do we have to re-explain this. It Doesnt matter if they dont have strong attacks if they can outlast you thats still a W. If shanks cant kill one of these mfs doesnt matter if its a 30 day fight they can keep going until you cant and thats a valid win condition
yeah but they aren't stronger still, immortal? sure, stronger? nope, even if they can stall every top tier to win by outlasting them, they aren't stronger, by that standard marco should be scaled way higher, even tho he is not.
deadpool can outlast shanks
@@gabrielemazzei9063 youre taking the word "stronger" too literally. In general use for scaling people often say "stronger" to mean they would win in a fight not literal strength.
Can't take KOL'S powerscaling seriously anymore. Dude went off the deep edge way too many times with way too many characters. Only KOL makes you defend a character you dislike because his powerscaling take is so bad.
Yeah many times his scaling dont make no sense
I disagree kol has consistent good power scailing what part do you not like the only part I dislike is kidd being up there.
It's really gotten worse over the years. It used to be halfway decent for the most part, but now it's off the rails.
The power systems in One piece are so nebulous, weird, inconsistent and context dependent I don't take anyone's power scaling that seriously. Everyone has bias, everyone weights feats, stats and portrayal differently, and everyone has multiple picks for their strongest characters in the series that makes you wonder what they were smoking.
Ultimately it was never that serious
Examples??? lol what is he powerscaling incorrectly? Just because you don’t like a character doesn’t deny their feats
Hold up, are we including Aokiji and Akainu? Because if so, the admirals are still leagues above the gorosei because of those 2.
#1. The Gorosei were terrified of the Nika fruit's awakening. If someone is scared of something, that means they have a weakness. The Gorosei are not unbeatable just because they have regen.
#2. Kizaru has been dealing with someone who is in the top 15 to top 5 right now and that's Luffy. Why is this such a downgrade for Kizaru in the eyes of the community? Before Egghead, did anyone really think Kizaru would have beaten a Yonko, one on one? Kaido? Big Mom? Shanks? Or Blackbeard? No, I didn't see anyone saying that. So, why is it belittling Kizaru so much? Luffy is in the same category of pirate as them, Kaido pretty much confirmed that when we saw his top 5 and when he said he would have be beaten by JoyBoy.
#3. Last point, Gear 5th is not fair to scale, because it bypasses durability with it's abilities and turning people into rubber. (Which also means Luffy in Gear 5th can touch Logia's without haki.) No one in the series has had a fighting style like Gear 5th.
TONS of people argued Kizaru is yonko level. On fact they STILL DO. They believed he could legit stop big mom and kaido from teaming up by himself because he said so. They believe luffy vs kizaru was a draw because luffy got tired from gear 5 and kizaru got up first. They believe kizaru is SO "mentally nerfed" that his feats dont even matter. They say he was focussed on vegapunk not luffy thats why it went down like that (as if luffy wasnt focussed on vegapunk). They say he took no damage from luffy even though we litterally saw him take damage. They say he no diffed snakeman. They claim luffy is above yonko level thats why kizaru is still up there. They say he is just not using awakening which makes him yonko level. It's worse than you think.
@@MrSub132 those are outliers. Most people always assumed that the yonkou were above the admirals. With that said, I believe Kizaru is nerfed on Egghead and didn't fight at his best, but that doesn't mean he's stronger than a full HP Luffy. Two things can be true at the same time. Kizaru is nerfed, but Luffy is stronger than him. In different circumstances, a fight between them would look very different.
KOL conveniently chooses manga events for some characters and then chooses head canon for the character he is defending.
Based on Manga events, Luffy low diff two admirals is the craziest. But he will try to add this to kaido and BM’s clout for no reason lol.
Luffy defeated kaido Day1 of his Gear5 and he has gotten far better now..
Kaido was also heavily damaged from everything else that happened in Onigashima lol.
@@thedankgnasty1890 thats oda’s style of writing Doffy fought law and Luffy while having bird Cage. Does that mean Doffy is powerful than Luffy?
Besides luffy literally died when CP0 intervened and he got clean hit by kaido… u can see this parallel zoro saw grim reaper and both luffy and zoro took same time to recover…
@@LostDVayneKaido took more hits than luffy, had less breaks, and was holding the island up. Hes stronger than luffy.
@@walterholyfield3203 dude again.
That is oda’s style of writing
1st Cp0 intervend and Kaido got a clean hit which KOed Oden and Luffy.. it is one of the or the most powerful attack of Kaido. Luffy died … this was the version of luffy that was inferior to Kaido…
Then came his awakening …
A parallel from previous arc
So Just coz Doflamingo was fighting law and luffy and also had Bird cage over dressrossa, had no break when luffy got 10 mins ..hez more powetful than Luffy? Obviosuly not
U have to see what happens after the transformation. He was Jumpskipping Kaido, and One shot him with One hit… that is the power of G5 and that is his DAY1 of G5, he only gets better afterwards (again G4 use to drain him initially, but now, luffy uses it whenever he wants, so the more u use it, the less stamina Drained)
Now if u want to argue, whoz Tankier. I would say Kaido is the Tankiest out of all Yonkos past and present .. but tanking alone is not good enough.
G5 Luffy is the EOS luffy. This is his peak. Hez the main Protaganist … and low diffing 2 admirals is the craziest feat ever recorded in Manga…
@@LostDVayne Bro yes thats exactly what it meant. Luffy couldn’t beat eithef of them by himself so he was weaker. Your basically tryna argue android 17 over jiren cause he got the last hit. Its blashphemy. Its not oda everybody in shonen writes like that so the overpowered villain can realistically lose. Wheb Yuji finally puts sukuna down your gonna say he was stronger???
I don’t think many people have noticed, but when Warcury turns his tusks into blades the position of his tusks change. They are no longer in the corners of his mouth. He can probably move his tusks freely from his body.
Where does KOL get this thousands of miles number??
Is anyone else starting to remember the words to kols surfshark ad 😮
Tell me KOL, how does your god king Shanks take out the Gorosei, if they're immortal? He can't be top 1 if he has losing match-ups.
God king shanks has only use half his power this entire time
We don't know that they are actually immortal, or what kind of immortality they might have if they even have it.
All we really know is that they have very good regeneration. But there could be, and most likely is, a trick to it. One that Shanks can probably exploit.
he invents teleportation haki and teleports them all under the sea
Clearly gonna be a case of “you need strong enough haki to bypass their healing”
Also, if we wanna get *technical* Shanks wouldn’t loose…..it’d just be a stalemate based on his inability to do permanent damage. Him not being able to do damage doesn’t mean he can’t block or avoid everything a Gorosei throws at him.
Why didn’t he do it when he met with them why not taken them out then and there nothing stopping yoir god shanks like you people act like one peice characters are gods people said kaguya loses to big mom
The Gorosei have stated they want to preserve the 3 great powers. Their goal was never to wipe out the Pirates. It was merely to maintain the balance between the great powers. Idle hands are the devil's tools. If the Marines ever ran out of Pirates to fight they might start thinking about true justice. And that is also a dangerous situation for the Gorosei.
IMO a deal was struck with Shanks to end the war before one side could wipe out the other. I believe part of the deal was stopping Kaido as well. The Gorosei wanted to prevent Marineford from getting out of hand, and disrupting delicate balance. But they couldn't just tell the Marines themselves to stand down. Otherwise they might lose the loyalty of the Marines and the WG's constituent kingdoms. Shanks played along because it served his interests as well. Thus he was granted passage over the red line.
That is the weak version. The strong version is that Shanks is a God's Knight. That would explain why he got away with stealing the Gum Gum fruit. And why he could enter the Reverie as well. Remember, Doflamingo's father had to sign away his rights as a God. Shanks did no such thing. So he might enjoy the privileges of that heritage with no strings attached. Celestials are allowed to act like pirates, afterall.
But that still isn't the strongest version. The strongest version is that Garling staged God Valley, in order to assassinate the former Commander, so that he could end the hunting games. And that he and Shanks are working from the inside to bring down the WG as father and son. That would explain why Mihawk left Shanks' crew, as many have speculated. Mihawk was a former God's Knight, and felt betrayed when Shanks joined up with Garling, his former commander. It also might explain what Shanks cried about. Roger may have told him to go with Garling.
Garling probably told Roger and Garp his plan at God Valley. He may have even told Roger which chest he would leave Shanks in. He gave Roger his son because he didn't want Shanks to grow up as a celestial and be corrupted. When Roger realized he couldn't bring in the dawn, he came to the conclusion that the best option would be for Shanks to work with Garling. And Roger's request is why Shanks gave up his search for the One Piece. If he were to go after it, he couldn't be a God's Knight. He can do anything but that.
But now that the tide has turned, Shanks is preparing to go after it. Once the final war concludes, I speculate Shanks will have all the rubbings needed to reach laughtale. And so will all the other Yonkou. Thus begins the race Laughtale, and the ultimate 4 way Davy Back fight. That's the dream anyway. I've always felt BB's crew would be excellent in a Davy Back fight.
YEAA i always have called it, gorosei being the final bosses but never participing in the war per se, only if need, cause now is time for cleansing, the ppl getting too much close to the TRUTH
When all is said and done, there'll probably be dissertations written to unravel Shanks' web of motivations and allegiances. Suffice it to say, I think your strongest idea is indeed great, but as a layer of obfuscation preceding Shanks' true, unspoken beliefs. Probably the final layer, actually. I think he is indeed nominally aligned against the WG - there's no deception there, he really does hate them - but deep down he has effectively conditioned himself against accepting any hope or chance of success. Allowing himself to get dismembered and giving Luffy the straw hat was just as much a 'quiet quitting' of sorts as a hand-off to the next generation, I don't expect Shanks even now will be a dependable ally. He has grown accustomed to, and lowkey covets the status quo, leading him to somewhat selfishly act to preserve it, with his cultivated pessimism and dread of Im being the deepmost factor. Only at the last moment will he realise that his 'bet' on Luffy, although he didn't 100% mean it at the time, was a genuinely providential act he can fully believe in.
you yapping like kol will read this lmao 😂
@@aimanimran3010 When I comment, I have no expectation that it will be read by anyone. The joy is in the act of writing itself. 🤓
@@derrickmiles5240 We've already seen Garling act like scum when he killed Mjosgard though
Some giants in anime are pretty fast. Like great ape Vegeta vs Goku.
Saying the Gorosei are over the admirals is saying that the straw hats would have a better shot at winning if they fought Akainu, Aokjij, Kizaru, Fujitora and Green Bull than beating the Gorosei.
The literal only reason the Gorosei are a threat is because of their regeneration. Not a single other attack they have is a problem but somehow they are being compared to the admirals. If you want to say that they would outlast the admirals then by that logic the Gorosei beat Roger, White Beard, Rocks, Kaido and Shanks in a 5 v 5 but people won't say that because we'll magically say that they would somehow do it
While admirals actually would me much easier opponent to deal with. Gorosei are just nerfed by plot like Kaido vs scabards
Regeneration isn’t the only reason the Gorosei are a threat. It’s the main reason, yes, but not the only. If it weren’t for Luffy’s Nika power keeping them at bay, all of the Straw Hats would be screwed right now.
i mean by outlasting roger wb etc due to immortality regeneration whatever they would be stronger by default however we have yet to see an admiral using acoc like most of the gorosei displayed and they all got some form of mythic zoan fruit which by default have weird but powerful hax in general at least from what we have seen so far so they are extremly safe to say stronger or more dangerous opponents than any of the admirals
they scale the admirals also down because kizaru stayed down seemingly because of luffy while saturn immediately stood up. the real reason is irrelevant to them.
@@admiralcon.doriano8026 some people think that Luffy wouldn't be able turn into Pizza Kizaru and Fuji, or Kizaru and Kuzan..
Powerscaling is so easy in One Piece, idk why people are having such a hard time.
The gorosei are stronger, because they use conquerors haki. They are kizarus bosses. They lead the world, ofc they are stronger.
An Emperor like Shanks, Luffy, Big Mom, etc. will be stronger than them individually, because Luffy can deal with them. But he cant hurt them (yet).
Once this weakness gets figured out, characters like Zoro, Law, Kid, Sanji, will be able to defeat them most likely, once they get their next power up.
(Also Kid and Law are equals and both are stronger than Zoro, just to throw some oil in the fire)
Need to see more offensively from the Gorosei because in that departments they are lacking so far.
We just haven't seen much from them but in the nexts chapters maybe ??
This is “Break Week” content. Hit or miss for a lot of channels. Its something to watch when there’s nothing to talk about. 🤷🏾♂️
With their regeneration hax they're around admiral level. But once that gets figured out, they'd be around first commander + level (Law and Kidd) is my bet.
No
Kidd and Law are above first commander
They are the top dogs of the organization ruling the world.
They have sick ass conquerors haki.
"Commander level"
Stop powerscaling and just enjoy the story for what it is would be my tip to you.
I don't understand this "if the regen gets figured out" argument. Sure, maybe that'll apply to some Strawhats & their allies in the future, but it doesn't nerf the elders, it would just be considered as a plot element, as are many things in the series. It's not like the rest of the verse can instantly counter them once a weakness to their regen is found
Terrible take which shows how dumb most one piece fans are
No first commander has haki on the lvl of the gorosei
You could easily argue that they have haki on yonko lvl
Jimbej never made a comment about someones haki being so powerful
Lucci commented on it as well and was shitting bricks when he saw mars
Mars also destroyed the labo barrier with his haki
That barrier did more damage to luffy than kizaru lol
The gorosei are above admirals in every way
Gorosei>admirals
To be fair, King Bradley wasn't the Head. Father was the head. Bradley was simply a figured head that followed orders just like everyone else. Father and Imu were/ are at the top and don't go out into battle.
the issue with shanks feat is that its stated to be an all out haki attack could we say that the gorosei are going all out? , also shanks and mihawk were shaking the new world when they battled implying they were clashing conquers haki
I been saying it for a while now since Wano. The Gorosei is slightly under Admiral level, and the Holy Knights are slightly above 1st division Commander.
And imu is civilian level
@@sethsherr2793 ha ha ha 😑
dope fiend for sure
He finally coming around, but slowly.
I always watched these people powerscale and I never watched the show but I started reading the manga on the same day / chapter luffy died and awakened. After I started watching the show from ep 1 seeing how the dmg and the fighting goes throughout the show has me confused at times. Ora isn’t powerscaling he’s having fun and that’s what matters ultimately at the end
Oda is power scaling, you just suck at it.
Why is nobody pointing out that Oda already ranked the Gorosie for us, each summoning circle had a number on it, old samurai had number 2 and sanji dad was ranked number 1 which makes sense considering he is fighting luffy alongside the boar and Saturn
I think thar nobody is talking about that because i guess that the majority of the fandom has a thing of Nusjuro bring the steongest gorosei and Not Ju Peter? On my opnion that Numeration can be about the order that they were recruited for the Gorosei, like Ju Peter being the first or last(if you wanna start from 1 to 5 or 5 to 1) depending on your opnion about this
Because there is no evidence that it relates to their strength. That could very well be in reverse order, and/or simply relate to seniority. Those numbers could mean anything.
For all their power what will they accomplish as antagonists on screen strength wise? Probably not very much.
That's on Oda
@@Infidel.Whys that a bad thing though. He has so many good characters to use the Goresei cant be a focal point. We still got Im himself, the God knights, most likely a handful of matured seraphim, and Akainu to worry about.
17:12 strong enough Conquerors Haki can either split space-time (upgraded scale from splitting the sky) or can essentially no-clip/glitch someone through space time like the 4th Raikage's jutsu from Naruto
Destroying parts of the island and one tapping a few Pacifista puts the Gorosei over the admirals??
yeah that logic doesn't add up.
he literally says in the video he doesnt know
kizaru is out here crying while saturn is chilling
They have stronger haki than the admirals
And kizaru is long defeated
Meanwhile saturn is still fighting luffy
Only gorosei haters and admiral fanboys cant cope with the fact that the gorosei>admirals
@@KeinProblem-uv5jhHow do they have stronger haki than the Admirals? Luffy was sweating his ass off when he felt Kizaru. It takes all five Elders showing up to get the same reaction
The nonsense content people are coming up with to cope with the 3 week break...
Cool
Just 2 (crazy) thoughts
1. What if the Gorosei were actually the real devils trapped within the fruits and Imu was somewhat able to separate them from their fruits and let them loose. And Maybe they obey Imu not just bc of a hierarchy thing but also bc Imu knows how to seal them back into fruits. This could explain why Oda presented the Gorosei in the description bubble like real devils instead of DF users. This makes me think Imu is the last fight as BB uses multiple DV powers trapped inside of him but Imu is on a whole other level where he/she can release these things.
2. We’ve seen all kinds of races and tribes with different attributes. The magic (or alchemy?) thing may actually be real and Imu was like a powerful witch/alchemist/scientist at that time who created a way to seal all sorts of things in fruits. It was all good until Imu did the forbidden/unthinkable thing of also sealing living things in fruits. This could also explain why Zoan fruits are special
maybe haki strength is bound to willpower or not maybe thats pretty clear but how big ur haki pool is might be linked to life force like the gorosei might not have the strongest haki in the verse but they might have an infinite supply
Gorosei should be around Admiral level in order to be a treat in the final war to the other Strawhat Members. Godknights will probably be handled by Dragon and the Revolutionary while Sabo goes after Akainu. IMU is Luffy's fight and Luffy's fight ONLY. Idc if its after or before his fight with BB.
People acting like the admiral level is weak when there are probably only 7-15 people in the whole world stronger than them😂
My personal theory is that the gorosei aren't actually people. They're created by Imu's devil fruit.
Hence the loyalty and hence why they don't seem to take damage from Luffy, and also why home dude would just be able to summon his fellow gorosei.
I'm still not impressed at all with the gorosei
They couldn't really hurt anyone other than vegapunk who has no combat abilities at all. While one of them stopped the pacifista, they did state he did not destroy them, he only froze their circuits with his ice powers.
The only thing the got going for them until now is their immortality, and long range conqueror's which can only knock out fodder.
Are you stupid?! They literally JUST arrived at the island. How tf are you saying you're not impressed when they literally haveny started doing anything...
Without the hax regen ability they aren't all that.
Yea 1st commander lvl at best without regen. Admirals probably pound for pound Stronger.
Did you not see that conquerors attack? That's a yonko level feat....the only person we saw shake a whole island with conquerors in big mom...actually all the best conqueror's haki attacks that we've seen come from yonko level characters...so stop it...thats like saying without G5 Luffy isnt Yonko level, without the fish fruit Kaido isnt Yonko level, without her soul fruit big mom isnt Yonko level....stop making excuses...cause you cant take away their healing.
@@lou98t I saw it. You are hyping it up as devastating yet it did nothing but shake the surroundings and have people react like "Woah haki". There was no damage caused to anybody. He was sent flying immediately after by Dorry and Broggy. Then Luffy redirected Saturn's poison bombs, which would have killed them both if not for the regen.
Ju Peter would be dead, decapitated by Dorry and Broggy if not for the ability. Sure you can argue they are careless because they can rely on the regen, but why even bother if you are so powerful. They have a hax Deus ex machina power.
@@sagovana Wym? Jinbe who’s has witnessed Big Mom’s, Kaido’s, Shanks’, and Luffy’s haki just freaked out from feeling their haki. Rob Lucci got scared asf when one of them approached him.
Trying to say they aren’t strong because hax is crazy when we just got all this other haki stuff. And you’re acting like Dorry and Broggy didn’t have to block the attack so they didn’t get blown away. And Conquerors haki was never a physically taxing ability, it’s more of a mental thing. In the sense that anyone who’s will is weak can’t stand up to someone with conquerors. So trying to say he didn’t hurt anyone is just goofy because that’s not what conquerors haki does. He did what he was suppose to do, which is show his will power by forcing his haki around the island.
If that was shanks or kaido who did that, NOBODY would try to disrespect that feat…but since it isn’t Shanks you’re trying to act like that isn’t nothing.
Just remember that Jinbe was “scared” of their haki but not Shanks’ haki.
True, base Franky blasted a huge hole through Saturn. That wasnt even Shogun form.
My biggest thing about these guys is that they HAVE to be immortal in some way right? No chance that the Elders are just getting replaced due to age. They may look old, but if they were really old and closing in on that old age death, they'd be finding people to take their place. Instead, their acting as if they are just top dogs still.
I sort of get why you don't think they are yonko level. Mostly because right now, Luffy's aim to be king of the pirates means he WILL have to fight the Yonkos to prove he's strongest. So, if he's fighting something already stronger than them, that would make a fight against the yonkos sort of dull.
I just don't like how suddenly all the elders decide to pop into egghead like this. We saw nothing of them until now and then boom, all of them? Feels too forced...
Sabo deserves his flowers for staring down all 5 gorosei AND imu while also trying to save Cobra
Notice how Luffy never reacts to Kaido’s haki, but Topman scares the Nika out of him. It’s not just eyes simply popping out this time, it’s like he got shaken to the core sensing Topman.
How can you say this is the Gorosei full power when they haven't even used their hybrid forms yet? Just take the L and admit they're stronger than the admirals, especially now that we know they have CoC.
So far the elders are Admiral level combatants with Immortality they haven't shown anything THAT impressive YET, and 2 of the elders have been getting worked by Dorry and Brogy, who are strong in their own right but i don't see the two giants winning vs an admiral
Dorry and broggy pushed back Warcury once, and snuck Jupeter once. Thats not "getting worked" lmao. And if you wanna play that game Kaido was getting worked by scabbards right?
@@LrNika bro how do you get "Snuck" by Giants, and I don't see any of the Admirals getting "Pushed back" Or taking damage like the elders did to where Jupeter is diced up and Warcury get's immediately parried by them.
Haki is tied to will power but what if that is connected to belief which also ties into focus. Hear me out, every fight luffys been in, the opposition 'believed' themselves to be better than luffy and that he wasnt strong enough. Luffy is the flip "imma beat yo ass cuz i have to. And aint stoppin till you dont get up". Luffy gets his ass kicked for 75% of the fight but he never doubts that he will. The opposition over the course, IN EVERY FIGHT, starts to question "Why wont he stay down", "How does he have anymore strength left". This, hypothetically, causes their own belief in themselves and powers to be shaken. Then the focus is no longer winning but "how much longer can this go on?" But luffy, never waivers even when he was unconscious. Just a thought. Haki might be a deeper way to view characters, not just in terms of strength. The 5 elders believe what they are doing, demons never leave on their own. You gotta force em.
Jimbei is literally a haki referee🤣🤣
Saw an article yesterday, Gorosei apparently are confirmed to be Yonko level
Saw it too
That was a good argument....
Powers as unique as kaidos df and Haki strong enough to shake the whole island.....the only other person who did that was Garp
Also they are immortal, so we can't even damage them unlike the yonkous
Article where did you see it dude?
Read a double peer reviewed report saying the yonko are stronger than the Gorosei.
Yup Gorosei are above all case they are immortal
Unless someone stronger than them tosses em into the ocean..😅
@@greywarden5513 they can teleport
@@kostiantynkhomenko6409 🤔 they don’t teleport instantaneously, they appear to need to be summoned, and we don’t even know the rule around that.
i actually think this is the reason BM and Kaido arent dead, they both are needed for each for a gorosei. admirals arent confirmed conquerors, thats why.
i find it funny how people from a predominately english speaking nation can not finish a sentence without adding "like' 10 times over when they brains momentarily shuts down
KOL just says anything 🤣💀💀
We don't even know if the admirals have awaken their devilfruits, but keep saying that kizaru didn't even use his awakening 😅 If we see an awakening on the marine side,I believe it is going to be smoker.....
18:34 in the official chapter 1111 jimbei says “such preposterous haki!” 😂
13:30 thats a fair point, but that wouldnt actually increase their haki level or amount/capacity it would be kind of like their haki just does not get depleted.
Weither or not they are stronger, it doesn't matter, because they are immortel after all, as we currently know, unless the usual weakness of devil fruits, they are unbeatable.
KOL is a true Sanji fan anytime he has the opportunity to point out a Zoro L he takes it, as a Zoro fan I respect it lol
If Dory and Broggy are Mr.3 Level like Agenda piece been saying, that puts one of the Gorosei under Mr.3 Level.
never seen mr.3 yeet a Gorosei with a shield
the gorosei looks like mr. pork
haki is a will power thing but we do no that armament and observation can grow stronger every battle (so its like an XP level up thing, which could explain why OP characters get stronger past every island and why BB said luffys haki got stronger pre skip). SO if the elders are immortal can their haki in theory keep leveling up over the years (but that would depend if they are active in fights. say do they spar with each other to get stronger in the holy land?).
It’s funny cuz I’d actually agreed with KOL most of the time when he power scaling OP characters
12:00 jimbei could just be comenting that the haki is impresive for people who arent emperors (or in shanks case since he dont know whose haki that was). it be kinda weird to say emperors have strong haki when thats a given.
Haki is the least intuitive power system in its genre. You can't just run out of Chakra and will yourself into regenerating ( cough kid & law ). The color scheme and wave pattern look the same as well. Maybe a different waveform to distinguish conquerors from other forms.
What I want to know is why mention the God knights if they aren't going to be final enemies of the straw hats?
Will the God knights just be for the revolutionaries?
Yes
"Normally the larger they are, the slower they are. Not One Piece baby!"
Normally the older they are, the weaker they are. Not One Piece baby. Garp top 5!
The elders had time to cultivate their haki. They are immortal so they can burst out as much as they want i assume. But there is a certain amount they can work with
Someone please explain to me why everyone sees black lightning and goes STRAIGHT to conquerors haki. We've seen black lightning used on armament attacks so many times before.
Yall are too caught up on WHICH haki is being used. When, it doesn't really matter. The point is that very strong haki is being exerted and that's all we should be concerned with.
To me, if a character mentions it or the sky splits is my indication of its use
@@Chaosking707 yeah that's Oda giving us the top tier sky splitting feat, and when he made it know that CoC was the next level in Luffy's growth, and how powerful it is.
Oda isn't going to spell out everytime luffy is using something in his arsenal, like future sight. We just know he has it and can use it.
Never forget judge top 5
Luffy did have a link between his life force and will power in Impel Down.
It’s laughable how ppl don’t think kizaru, one of the three OG admirals, some of the highest powers in the marines, doesn’t have an awakening. If we don’t see it by the end of the arc it’s most likely logies don’t have them
Main thing they got going for them is the insane regen/immortality. They can't take a punch though. They'd probably win based on attrition alone.
Makes you wonder why they even sent Kizaru to escort Jay if it seems that they are invulnerable
Bro makin Ginyu force jokes about Luffy being turned into a frog like Luffy didn’t turn someone into a pizza just a couple chapters ago
Saturn got punched in the face and still has no damage on him from anyone there
I’m about to get murdered but.. outside of an Admiral what impressive W does Shanks hold? BB held his own, Kid was ..Kid, WB was old and sick.
If anything, Zoro probably said he’d die if he ran out of haki because Enma would probably drain his actual life force once his haki was gone
Does anyone know the background music KOL uses in these videos. Its a channel staple and idk what track it is.
Sounds like some sort of remix of 'Pure Imagination' from the original Willy Wonka movie.
I think they’re equal or maybe a little above some admirals (Kizaru Fujitora Greenbull)
But I don’t think the Strawhats are fighting them these guys are Dragon and Sabo victims
Didn’t the strongest lorosei member get blocked and shield diffed by the giants 😭
It takes two admirals to take down one of the elders.
Durability is different from strength lucci was just very durable so it was harder for zoro to knock him out without going all out.
Yeah at this point Elders> Admirals. Putting the immortality aside, Warcury has yonko level haki, Ghandi can neg diff half the mark 3 pacifists on the island in less than a minute, Saturn has venom bombs that explode like nukes, and Mars could break through the labo stratum barrier at 100%. Admirals on the other hand have been looking extremely mid in the post time skip. I think it’s fair to say, there is a much bigger gap between the admirals and yonko than many fans thought, with characters like Mihawk and the Elders in that gap.
Fujitora lifting the entirety of dressrosa's debris gaps every feat u just named
Embarrassed opinions
@@MicaW4VE Fuji lifting garbage is more impressive than yonko level conquerors haki? Admiral stans really are desperate
Hey KOL, was the OPE-OPE no mi perhaps used over the centuries by slaves to give the Gorosei there immortal bodies? Ps. Wasn't Luffy still in Gigante form when he moonwalked back to Kaido after getting hit by his blast breath?🤔
All I wanna say is ppl downplay Dorry and Broggy for “losing” to Mr 3 who schemed to get them looking bad, but will forget all the lore behind them and how they destroyed a creature the size of Onigashima with shitty weapons. These guys are combo fighters, when they’re together, it’s stated that they’re unstoppable.
The stocks for Sabo keep rising, he escape the Gorosei + Imu.
Marcus mars probably can shoot haki at people like lightning bolts
Luffy > Kaido
Reasoning
The common bs- oh he was holdimg up onigashima and had no breaks
That is oda’s style of writing
1st Cp0 intervend and Kaido got a clean hit which KOed Oden and Luffy.. it is one of the or the most powerful attack of Kaido. Luffy died … this was the version of luffy that was inferior to Kaido…
Then came his awakening …
A parallel from previous arc
So Just coz Doflamingo was fighting law and luffy and also had Bird cage over dressrossa, had no break when luffy got 10 mins ..hez more powetful than Luffy? Obviosuly not
U have to see what happens after the transformation. He was Jumpskipping Kaido, and One shot him with One hit… that is the power of G5 and that is his DAY1 of G5, he only gets better afterwards (again G4 use to drain him initially, but now, luffy uses it whenever he wants, so the more u use it, the less stamina Drained)
G5 Luffy is the EOS luffy. This is his peak. Hez the main Protaganist … and low diffing 2 admirals is the craziest feat ever recorded in Manga…
My prayers are with all 3 admirals if they ever have to face 2 Gorosei
I don't think the Gorosei are immortal, I think it's either a trick, a level of power you have to reach to be able to deal damage with those guys or there is a threshold on how much damage they can take without getting hurt.
Bro said something feels off with zoro😭😭
That thumbnail goes so hard tho
Scaring a admiral is dogshit compared to 2 yonkos be very fr with urself no one brings up greenbull in powerscaling again 2 old men did more to more powerful opponents switch greenbull with luffy or bb he would be scared more than shanks
“Not yet anyway”
Why you commenting on
Don't run boy
What if a inmortal gorosei had big moms fruit and could eat their own infinite lifespan, to boost themsleves arbitrarily high
Oda does not need to explain why in the end of the day the Gorosei did not move until now. I personally think that the full power of the whole government, Marines, Shichibukai, Five elders, God knights, Imu etc if all of them when against the Yonko combine they would owned the Emperors. There will be huge causalities yes but the WG would still win, that's the whole point of them being the so called final faction that's standing in Luffy's way. Need to keep in mind that this faction has literally been in power for centuries and not once have they fall in their dominance. And suddenly because how powerful the Yonko are they can suddenly win. No, that thought doesn't make sense in the context and narrative of what Oda is setting up this end game dudes to be. KOL beliefs if Shanks were to fight the Gorosei 5 vs 1 Shanks would win? Really! again it's not matching this buildup of the final saga threat. That throughout history of One Piece only one guy is gonna bring the dawn and that's Luffy. Please If we are gonna nick pick stuff like Oh! if the WG could literally wipe out all the Yonko if they wanted to why didn't they, then what's the point of setting up your story in the first place. This just removes all the fun out of it, there has to be a certain understanding to be given to the author when they build their context of their story and not second guessing every single thing we feel that needs to be explained.
I think we can all say Saturn is probably the weakest of the 5 and he seems to be holding up better than kizaru. but that doesn't mean anything yet I'm betting they are not far off power wise but have the advantage because they don't have to stress the defense. guess we find out in a couple more weeks.
THE GOROSEI murdure The admirals.
Hey kol do you think luffy will start making his own food mid fight to replenish stamina?
Actually only Yonko has a bigger chance of beating Gorosie. Shanks can nullify df power due to his strong haki, Blackbeard has dark fruit who also has an ability nullify df power, Luffy has strong haki the same time son god Nika fruit.
And we have not yet seen what Buggy awakening can do either.
By the way, Luffy and Buggy were inspired by Tom and Jerry. Luffy is Jerry, and Buggy is Tom.
So would the God knights be stronger than the admirals or around the same strength? I just don't get why dragon won't make a move until the show up
When it comes to certain characters awakening we have to take into consideration the possible damage that can occur. Doflamingo is just a taste of the kind of collateral that can happen to an island. Dressrosa was TRASHED.
Punk hazard? Akainu and Kizaru permanently changed the climate of an island. Yall tossing the plot, fr.
So we’re just going to let this individual claim Bradley was doing anything as the head of an organization? Every time he attacks somebody in the early stages of the series he was acting as a servant of their father. Not as the leader of the country.
Great Surf Shark shilling yet again King. You have a chilled out Sales Pitch, that makes the product sound intriguing. I am gonna steal that.