Wow, I really connect with your take. That last line from Silco hit me deeply, easily one of the top 3 moments in this series. The topic of conditional parental love is something I feel most people struggle with, even if without realizing
One point of disagreement: I think Silco previously had unconditional love for Vander as well- that’s why Vander’s betrayal hit him so hard. Silco has always been about loyalty, and he carried that to his grave.
@@rustygear447 I mean I wouldn't consider "Don't try to violently overpower and murder me by viciously drowning my injured bloody face in a toxic river" to really be that insane of a condition. Like even the most unconditional of love can't be truly 100% "unconditional" or you'd just be a walking punching bag 😭
@Nevfab that's true. My counter point is that there's a difference between retaliation in self defence vs actual malice. Vi is a good contrast to Silco in this. Granted Jinx doesn't really betray Vi like Vander betrayed Silco, but we can see the difference in the mentality of Vi vs Silco regardless. Vi simply can't help herself in loving Jinx/Powder despite lying to herself that she's not her sister anymore. When they fight you can see they fight like squabbling sisters rather than enemies. Vi can lie to herself but she can never kill Jinx with her own hands. She has no malice towards Jinx because the love is still there. Silco has actual malice toward Vander. Edit: To sum up my point, unconditional love doesn't mean you let the other person do whatever. It just means you never give up on them while also maintain your own morality.
@rustygear447 Fair, but I'd argue that Vi's malice towards Jinx was comparable to Silco's towards Vander. I agree that she's lying to herself in a sense to cover a deep hurt, but she was willing to gas her sister with cancer-inducing fatal toxins. She couldn't bring herself to outright kill her with her own two hands, but she repeatedly disowns her and resolves to kill her (even if she fails to follow through) and helps her girlfriend try to kill her. She was willing to forgive Jinx, but Silco was also willing to forgive Vander. We see in the AU that he DID. Also, in Season 1 before he has Vander killed, he basically has a Darth Vader "join me" speech to Vander, about how they could fight for Zaun together again. He hated Vander but a part of him held out hope, even after Vander abandoned him and brutally harmed him, that Vander would come back around at some point and gave him a last chance to do so before killing him. I think his anger extended further than Vi's, but their mentality was, in my opinion, more similar than you think. Both of them loved their person damn near unconditionally, which is why the hurt ran so deep
When he goes to baptize her in the river, he says "Jinx is perfect" to her. As he dies, he says "*you're* perfect." In my mind's eye, what I think is that Silco knew at that whole event that Jinx could choose either to become Powder or stay as Jinx. He doesn't know exactly which personality she's going to chose to inhabit by the end. But despite being seconds from death, he choses to NOT manipulate her by repeating "Jinx is perfect". He says *you're* because in his final moments, he acknowledges her as her regardless of which personality she choses to inhabit after he dies. Even though if he were to simply repeat "Jinx is perfect" he'd almost certainly put her into the mindset he's wanted her to be in, manipulating her further into reckless insanity to become what Piltover fears... he choses not to. He prioritizes comforting her over his other goals and ideals, in his final moments. And maybe, just maybe, he genuinely would still love her even if she *did* chose to try and inhabit Powder again. Perhaps I'm looking too deeply into it haha.
YES! YES YES YES He's my favorite character, too! Probably my favorite in all of fiction, actually. You NEED to read the fan comic "Welcome to the Lanes" you would LOVE it.
I loved Silco as a character and his relationship with Jinx, it was so powerful to see two deeply hurt, betrayed people bring out the best in each other from sheer love and understanding, and it especially touched me as a mentally ill child of a single mentally ill parent. So you can imagine my anger when I saw the word "svengali" pop up to describe Zaunites in Christian Linke's original show pitch, only to see it again used in AMAs on Reddit by multiple writers who worked on season 1, who they say heavily inspired Silco. For those unaware, Svengali is a character from the book Trilby by the author George du Maurier, which then was adapted into a musical named after the character. In it, Svengali is a hypnotist who develops an obsession with a tone-deaf girl, Trilby, and aims to steal her away from the sculptor, Little Billie, whom she is playing muse for and hypnotize her into becoming a masterful singer. He succeeds, and she completely forgets who she was and her old life, though Little Billie attempts to remind her to no avail. In the end, Svengali dies, and Trilby is so shaken by it that she no longer has the will to live, and dies gazing at a portrait of him. You can see the clear parallels between this and the story of Arcane season 1. Where the problems arise, other than framing Silco as a groomer who kidnapped Powder, is the deep antisemitic context behind Svengali. Silco is designed as a lithe man, with dark hair, and a hooked nose. All very semitic ethnic traits, which they added intentionally to draw parallels to the original story, which is a very bad look. I loved Silco's story in the first season, but looking back it just leaves an awful taste in my mouth knowing that this is likely what they were going for from the very beginning.
@@gyozapunk oh man . What’s so painful is I didn’t know this at all and about half way through your comment I started to put it together . That’s extremely sad and makes you rethink the goals . Regardless the impact is still the impact for me . The more I learn about it the “ face “ behind who lead the team of arcane and the actual staff who wrote it seemed to have different priorities in terms of the story .
@@Constantine_James yeah same, it's sad to realize the actual intent, but they can never take from me what I actually got out of the story, which is a man with a troubled past trying to love and teach his daughter the best way he knows how. The more I learn about this, the more it feels like the first actual example I've ever seen of "the fans probably could've written this better than the actual writers"
@ yea especially with taking season 2 into account . I may make a full vid on this but my headcannon is from the start Christian had a very specific goal with making arcane . However with S1 I think the overall writing staff either vetoed him or just wrote the story they wanted to because he didn’t have power . Then after the success of S1 he climbed the latter , used covid to fire anyone who didn’t share his vision and made his arcane . This is also why the animation team and writing team have sorts seemed to be at odds with one another since S2 .
@Constantine_James yeah, apparently amanda overton just came out and said that almost the entirety of s2 was written just by the three of them over zoom calls, which explains a lot. Compare that to the whole team that was on s1 who apparently said it was like working a 9 to 5
i think the inspiration and even the arguable intent doesn't matter as much as what was actually done in the show, and the show has none of this shine through really. Silco loves Jinx and genuinely tries to guide her down a path he thinks is right like any caring parent would, he just has vastly different morals that most parents and thinks all the evil he's doing for the sake of an independent Zaun is right. In his mind he's not manipulating Jinx when he gets her to calm down after she realizes Vi is alive still and confronts him, Silco's manipulation is genuinely just trying to make her see reason. Same with his whole baptism scene and "Jinx is perfect" he wants his daughter to feel comfortable in her own identity and overcome the trauma haunting her and holding her back. He wants Jinx to be this strong figure capable of doing whatever is necessary both for her own survival and for the sake of Zaun, both of which makes sense with his character, personality, backstory, and motivation. Just because all of this also aligns with his own wants and goals doesn't mean it's not genuine from him, Silco is a man driven by morals and codes, just very twisted ones.
I whole heartedly believe that if Jinx didn’t have the tea-party and kidnap Silco, he would have done either two things with the deal that he was presenting and being presented with by Jayce. 1.) He would have rejected Jayce’s offer for peace and would have broken the deal that he made with him. This would be to protect his daughter Jinx, as he feels that he can’t loose her. Even if breaking this deal and the peace meant that there would be further conflict between Piltover and Zaun, maybe even a siege by Piltover or even a war, he would risk all of that just to protect his daughter Jinx. “The topsiders have offered me everything. Independence a seat at the table. They can all Burn! Everyone betrays us Jinx! Vander, her!” (violet) “They will never understand. It’s only us. You’re my daughter. I’ll never forsake you.” From both what he says here in the final episode, this is why I believe that he was willing to go to war with Piltover, if so it meant that he would keep Jinx from going away to prison for what may have very well been the rest of her life. He feels that it’s the two of them against the world. 2.) Silco would have done what Vander attempted to do for Vi when she attempted to surrender herself to the enforces in act one of season one. There’s a chance that with his understanding that the reason Vander gave up the revolution against Piltover all those years ago because of family and adopting Vi and Powder, this would lead him to the understanding that Vander was going to go to prison in Vi’s place for the sake of his family. This in turn, like with Silco’s intention not to forsake Jinx, could have resulted in Silco being the one who turns himself over in Jinx’s place. If Jayce refused then Silco would have been willing to bear up arms to both protect the undercity, and especially to protect Jinx. In this scenario he would have Sevika be the leader of the city, and for her to promise him to take care of Jinx in his stead, if Jayce accepted the offer by Silco to go to prison/stillwater in Jinx’s place. Both of these scenario’s are consistent with Silco’s character in my opinion. And your video about how boundless Silco’s love for Jinx is kind of proves my point. And better yet the second scenario kind of shows that in spite of how bad of a person Silco is, there is a still a part of him that can pave the way for his redemption. Maybe through imitating Vander either throught rh second or especially the first scenario, he would do everything in his power to actually win the war against Piltover, and then if he wins, he would work to right his past wrongs and truly heal the undercity.
Dude, he is far away from toxic parent. He literally loves her unconditionaly as you said. And he did respect her boundaries and never manipulated her. He was jgnuinly did believe in truth he told her. So nah - he is not a toxic parent. I wish my father was such "toxic"...
Silco is a complex character but what makes him truly great for me, is that the complexity is not achieved through either a suprise reveal (shimmer is actually good for you or something) or a last minute change-of-heart (Darth Vader!). He is upfront about his goals and his methods from the get-go, and same for his love of Jynx. He simulteanously embodies and subverts tropes, but in a way that is perfectly coherent AND transparent looking back. If a viewer is surprised by his actions it's because we see him through the heroes' eyes (who aren't unjustified either) and because of the expectations we have for someone embodying the villain trope, not because of any sleight-of-hand by the writers. What I love about the culmination of his character arc - the moment he gets Jayce's proposal, is that it crowns both threads of his character - yes we see that his love for Jynx is sincere but also that his commitment to revolution is also 100% sincere. Both clear in retrospect. Both in doubt theretofore if looked at through standard character tropes or our hero's eyes. (Vi literally tells the council in ep8 that they're wrong to think they can make peace with him).
I'm angry with s2 for a lot of things, but the most unforgiveable thing was that Jinx never seemed to be as crushed with guilt/grief as she ought to be after accidentally killing Silco. How many scenes did she have where she thought about him? I only remember 6, they were short and mostly inconsequential, and she didn't seem to be THAT traumatized in any of them. They try to tell me she's crushed after s1, but they just do a cruddy job of showing the pain of losing a loved one.
The thing is that unconditional love is still toxic love, "You can hurt me all you want and I still love you" is not healthy at all in any relationship.
The general idea of unconditional love isn’t to necessarily be a doormat but rather to love someone regardless of their shortcomings/circumstances outside the relationship with obvious expectations.
@@Constantine_James It is toxic if the person is toxic like a husband who cheats and the wife always forgives her. Silco was toxic in the way that he overprotects Jinx from consequences, he never teaches Jinx to be responsible, and that lack of foresight is the downfall of Jinx, she takes a child to a battlefield against an army, and after that she only thinks of killing herself rather than helping other, It is understandable from her point of view but there is the fact that she is olwais doing something reckless.
One thing that was subtle nuance only possible by the proffesional and expierenced writers of season 1 (which 80% of were removed for season 2) had the ability to also show this, unintentional by both of them, subtle sexual mannerisms, like jinx sitting on his lap or other things. But it was just something that was from great writing it wasnt that they had sexual energy it was just how jinx was acting like a child with him from love and trust as a father figure but shes like 18. Gosh silco is such a greatly written character. And retconning that he "always knew powder" was a poor choice in season 2. Silco i never saw as a monster i always saw him as hurt. The perfect poster character to showcase the story of nuanced morally gray characters of arcane.
Yess this is a big thing that a lot of people misinterpret. Their boundaries are pushed to a slightly uncomfortable lvl not because they are actually evolved sexually but because they both have messed up lives and don’t understand social norms for how to properly show affection .
I remember the writers saying something along the lines of “we wanted to make the relationship between Silco and Jinx feel uncomfortable to the viewer” and they did it. The true achievement of their writing was making us feel a complex but subtle cocktail of emotions and feelings towards the characters; they never feel flat, the never feel unrealistic or two dimensional thanks to the understanding of humanity from the creators. The characters in Arcane grow, develop, change their belives and sometimes even contradict themselves; and it works. People are complicated like that.
Did you say "for all intensive purposes" instead of "intents and purposes" shfkskd No but fr, I wholeheartedly agree w you, Silco was def not healthy but he was the only one in S1 who loved Jinx unconditionally, exactly the way she was, flaws and all
@@Constantine_Jamesyeah. It’s cause many say it quickly and i have made the same very common mistake. The proper phrase is “for all intents and purposes”. But well, both sound so similar that the get mixed up.
He only love her as long as she stays as Jinx and be on his side. If she betrays him and join Vi, he wouldn't love her anymore. That's a condition for you.
@@rustygear447 really? cause she killed him and he still loved her. she was dying and if you think its "conditional" he would have let her die since well "she's no longer useful" same with getting rid of her since she's a loose cannon
@@halfknight2310 The condition is that she stays as Jinx, not that she's useful. He loves Jinx, and he doesn't love Powder. So that's the condition - be Jinx and not Powder. Edit: To put it into perspective, this is equivalent to parents saying something like - I love you as long as you're not gay, or become an atheist, etc.
1:09 You can see the difference Between vi & silco, vi actually Did hit jinx while silco never did, its kinda hilarious how the big bad respects & loves Jinx more then her own sister did, if anybody disagrees thats fine with me, but i find it odd and wonder if it was done On purpose to make vi seem Like a hero when shes actually kind of a bad person.
Not a fair comparison. Jinx hadn't blown up all his factories and all his life's work like how she killed everyone that Vi loves. Silco got mad at Jinx just for the little hiccup she caused him when stealing the hex gem. Vi didn't get mad, but instead supported Powder when she threw away the loot the gang risked their lives getting.
@@rustygear447 Yeah but powder was like a child Vi brought her there in battles she wasn't even ready for, even Milo Said they shouldn't bring her along.
I honestly find that interesting too. I think Jinx could've literally made any mistakes in he book and Silco would've never raised a hand like Vi did. But. He's an adult. Vi was a kid forced to take on the role of parent as practically a kid herself. She carried the weight of Vander always telling her "whatever happens to them, it's on you." Now do I think this gave her any right to smack her sister? No. But she was a kid that watched her whole family get killed right before her eyes and the last thing her father says to her is not I love you or something like that, but "Take care of Powder." Whom she immediately finds out is the one who caused all of their deaths. Vi is not a bad person, merely someone who tried her best but was pushed too far.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Silco made Jinx go on mission with Sevika, and when she messed up, Sevika complained just like how Milo complained. How did Silco react? Silco put her on a timeout right away compared to Vi who encouraged her.
I really like your videos man from the narration, the voice, the topics and so on. One thing I suggest you to work on is the “background” tho. I recommend to use images or clips of good definition and possibly taken by the actual episodes. There is a UA-cam channel named ‘schnee’ that analyzes series etc; his videos on Arcane are particularly good (not the ones on season 2 I dunno what happened to him there) and one thing that sticks out is the background aesthetic of his videos. The clips are clean, in high definition and taken directly from the show. Now, I’m not saying to do EXACTLY what he does. But I do suggest you to look up some videos, in particular this two: ‘How Arcane Writes Women’ and ‘How Arcane Writes Men’ just to maybe take some inspiration on improvement. But again, keep up the good work!
@grAnita- thanks for the tips definitely something I’ll need to work on . I’ve been trying to find ways of getting around copyright . Maybe I’ll reach out to some other creators for advice .
This is just my take, but everything Silco told Jinx he believed wholeheartedly. Toxic still? Yes. But he tried. That's more than I can say for many dads out there. Silco was damaged too, he didn't opt to be a father, he was put in the position. He was a man fueled by betrayal, hurt, and the want for a better future for Zaun. Then a little girl got dropped into his arms that was also betrayed, much like he was. He guided her to let her past self die just like he did. He was trying to help her the only way he knew how. It wasn't the right way in our eyes but for him he believed he was giving her what she needed. VI was a threat he saw that would turn the one person he loved and trusted against him. And he fully believed that Jinx needed to let Vi go, like he had to let his past go. I think even if Vi did get Jinx back and got her to trust her gain without Silco dying, he'd still love Jinx. He's afraid of her leaving him like Vander 'left' him.
@@Constantine_James That is conditions though. Don't get me wrong, Im a huge Silco fan, but I honestly think he's written SO well, that people end up sympathizing a bit too much with him.
Silco & jinx are my favorite characters vi & Caitlyn not So much they just seem To be stuck in their own Ways & didn't really get Much redemption, especially VI who was awful to jinx yet Acts like nothing bad happened.
What about jinx that hurt vi You are looking at it one sided because it is your favorite character If my sister killed all my family while I expected her to be home I won't forgive whether we like it or not some mistakes are irredeemable jinx hurt vi just as much I hurt jinx people are looking at it one sided but in real life they would do much worse
What about jinx that hurt vi You are looking at it one sided because it is your favorite character If my sister killed all my family while I expected her to be home I won't forgive whether we like it or not some mistakes are irredeemable jinx hurt vi just as much I hurt jinx people are looking at it one sided but in real life they would do much worse
@khadijatmuritadoh2730 Yeah but she wasn't trying to kill Their family, VI should of taken accountability and had someone watch her, it also didn't help that she told what happened to Vander to her & then told her to stay Behind all alone, vi imo handled the Situation even worse by Hitting jinx.
@@khadijatmuritadoh2730 Powder wasn't trying to hurt anyone she was honestly trying to help vi turned her into jinx, by hitting Her & leaving her alone, Silco Never hit jinx.
Seriously I still did not get it who would look after her Vi is a kid like jinx expecting to take decision most adult would even struggle to take She asked her to stay home because she didn't want to loose her too and she didn't leave powder she tried to come back after what power did don't get me wrong yes powder is not at fault but at the same time on this circumstances it is not right or wrong that matters but the deed done powder mistakenly killed her family she didn't mean too but what she did have echo effect on the life's of other no matter what no human on earth can take it It is painful Vi is a forgiving human Some people would still look at you with disdain no matter or try to completely forget you exit because no matter the intention people are dead you can't bring them back
Unconditional? What a joke. Being possessive is a condition and a big one at that. Silco is very afraid of Jinx changing back to Powder or grow up into a healthy-minded adult. He can't let go of Jinx despite how much she wants to leave his bubble. There are a lot of bad parents just like this who can't let their kids grow up and have their own lives. Calling this behaviour as "unconditional love" is utterly deranged! "I will love you unconditionally as long as you live the way I want you to live" - Silco.
@@rustygear447he isn’t a great dad like I said . He has dozens of toxic traits all I’m trying to prove is that regardless of his flaws in his own right he did love her unconditionally. You say he only would love her if she lived the way he wanted but here’s the thing she didn’t . She constantly made his life actively worse and I don’t think her shooting him was something he wanted for her .
@Constantine_James He needed her to be Jinx and not Powder. That's the condition for his love for her. He can't let her choose her own identity. He wants her to be like him. That is not true love. The real world equivalent are those parents who say they love their kids "unconditionally" but they can't be gay, or believe in a different religion, or be an atheist, etc.
@@Constantine_James He said she's perfect as she is - the broken, destructive person. That's the Jinx he's always loved. His mind never changed to loving both Jinx and Powder no matter which one she chose he'll be happy if she's happy. No. He's only happy with Jinx because that's his daughter. His progeny. The one who would inherit his empire should his work come to fruition. Powder is nothing but an obstacle preventing Jinx from her full potential. Again, that's not unconditional love. I think you got a wrong definition of unconditional love.
@ I see what you’re saying . Jinx was Silcos daughter and he did love jinx unconditionally. He however didn’t love the person she was before . That being said however I still think at the end when he calls her perfect he’s talking about who she is in general .
Wow, I really connect with your take. That last line from Silco hit me deeply, easily one of the top 3 moments in this series. The topic of conditional parental love is something I feel most people struggle with, even if without realizing
One point of disagreement: I think Silco previously had unconditional love for Vander as well- that’s why Vander’s betrayal hit him so hard. Silco has always been about loyalty, and he carried that to his grave.
So the condition for his love is loyalty. hmm...
@@rustygear447 I mean I wouldn't consider "Don't try to violently overpower and murder me by viciously drowning my injured bloody face in a toxic river" to really be that insane of a condition. Like even the most unconditional of love can't be truly 100% "unconditional" or you'd just be a walking punching bag 😭
@Nevfab that's true. My counter point is that there's a difference between retaliation in self defence vs actual malice. Vi is a good contrast to Silco in this. Granted Jinx doesn't really betray Vi like Vander betrayed Silco, but we can see the difference in the mentality of Vi vs Silco regardless. Vi simply can't help herself in loving Jinx/Powder despite lying to herself that she's not her sister anymore. When they fight you can see they fight like squabbling sisters rather than enemies. Vi can lie to herself but she can never kill Jinx with her own hands. She has no malice towards Jinx because the love is still there. Silco has actual malice toward Vander.
Edit: To sum up my point, unconditional love doesn't mean you let the other person do whatever. It just means you never give up on them while also maintain your own morality.
@rustygear447 Fair, but I'd argue that Vi's malice towards Jinx was comparable to Silco's towards Vander. I agree that she's lying to herself in a sense to cover a deep hurt, but she was willing to gas her sister with cancer-inducing fatal toxins. She couldn't bring herself to outright kill her with her own two hands, but she repeatedly disowns her and resolves to kill her (even if she fails to follow through) and helps her girlfriend try to kill her. She was willing to forgive Jinx, but Silco was also willing to forgive Vander. We see in the AU that he DID. Also, in Season 1 before he has Vander killed, he basically has a Darth Vader "join me" speech to Vander, about how they could fight for Zaun together again. He hated Vander but a part of him held out hope, even after Vander abandoned him and brutally harmed him, that Vander would come back around at some point and gave him a last chance to do so before killing him. I think his anger extended further than Vi's, but their mentality was, in my opinion, more similar than you think. Both of them loved their person damn near unconditionally, which is why the hurt ran so deep
When he goes to baptize her in the river, he says "Jinx is perfect" to her.
As he dies, he says "*you're* perfect."
In my mind's eye, what I think is that Silco knew at that whole event that Jinx could choose either to become Powder or stay as Jinx. He doesn't know exactly which personality she's going to chose to inhabit by the end. But despite being seconds from death, he choses to NOT manipulate her by repeating "Jinx is perfect". He says *you're* because in his final moments, he acknowledges her as her regardless of which personality she choses to inhabit after he dies. Even though if he were to simply repeat "Jinx is perfect" he'd almost certainly put her into the mindset he's wanted her to be in, manipulating her further into reckless insanity to become what Piltover fears... he choses not to. He prioritizes comforting her over his other goals and ideals, in his final moments. And maybe, just maybe, he genuinely would still love her even if she *did* chose to try and inhabit Powder again.
Perhaps I'm looking too deeply into it haha.
YES! YES YES YES He's my favorite character, too! Probably my favorite in all of fiction, actually.
You NEED to read the fan comic "Welcome to the Lanes" you would LOVE it.
I loved Silco as a character and his relationship with Jinx, it was so powerful to see two deeply hurt, betrayed people bring out the best in each other from sheer love and understanding, and it especially touched me as a mentally ill child of a single mentally ill parent. So you can imagine my anger when I saw the word "svengali" pop up to describe Zaunites in Christian Linke's original show pitch, only to see it again used in AMAs on Reddit by multiple writers who worked on season 1, who they say heavily inspired Silco.
For those unaware, Svengali is a character from the book Trilby by the author George du Maurier, which then was adapted into a musical named after the character. In it, Svengali is a hypnotist who develops an obsession with a tone-deaf girl, Trilby, and aims to steal her away from the sculptor, Little Billie, whom she is playing muse for and hypnotize her into becoming a masterful singer. He succeeds, and she completely forgets who she was and her old life, though Little Billie attempts to remind her to no avail. In the end, Svengali dies, and Trilby is so shaken by it that she no longer has the will to live, and dies gazing at a portrait of him. You can see the clear parallels between this and the story of Arcane season 1. Where the problems arise, other than framing Silco as a groomer who kidnapped Powder, is the deep antisemitic context behind Svengali. Silco is designed as a lithe man, with dark hair, and a hooked nose. All very semitic ethnic traits, which they added intentionally to draw parallels to the original story, which is a very bad look. I loved Silco's story in the first season, but looking back it just leaves an awful taste in my mouth knowing that this is likely what they were going for from the very beginning.
@@gyozapunk oh man . What’s so painful is I didn’t know this at all and about half way through your comment I started to put it together . That’s extremely sad and makes you rethink the goals . Regardless the impact is still the impact for me . The more I learn about it the “ face “ behind who lead the team of arcane and the actual staff who wrote it seemed to have different priorities in terms of the story .
@@Constantine_James yeah same, it's sad to realize the actual intent, but they can never take from me what I actually got out of the story, which is a man with a troubled past trying to love and teach his daughter the best way he knows how. The more I learn about this, the more it feels like the first actual example I've ever seen of "the fans probably could've written this better than the actual writers"
@ yea especially with taking season 2 into account . I may make a full vid on this but my headcannon is from the start Christian had a very specific goal with making arcane . However with S1 I think the overall writing staff either vetoed him or just wrote the story they wanted to because he didn’t have power . Then after the success of S1 he climbed the latter , used covid to fire anyone who didn’t share his vision and made his arcane . This is also why the animation team and writing team have sorts seemed to be at odds with one another since S2 .
@Constantine_James yeah, apparently amanda overton just came out and said that almost the entirety of s2 was written just by the three of them over zoom calls, which explains a lot. Compare that to the whole team that was on s1 who apparently said it was like working a 9 to 5
i think the inspiration and even the arguable intent doesn't matter as much as what was actually done in the show, and the show has none of this shine through really. Silco loves Jinx and genuinely tries to guide her down a path he thinks is right like any caring parent would, he just has vastly different morals that most parents and thinks all the evil he's doing for the sake of an independent Zaun is right. In his mind he's not manipulating Jinx when he gets her to calm down after she realizes Vi is alive still and confronts him, Silco's manipulation is genuinely just trying to make her see reason. Same with his whole baptism scene and "Jinx is perfect" he wants his daughter to feel comfortable in her own identity and overcome the trauma haunting her and holding her back. He wants Jinx to be this strong figure capable of doing whatever is necessary both for her own survival and for the sake of Zaun, both of which makes sense with his character, personality, backstory, and motivation. Just because all of this also aligns with his own wants and goals doesn't mean it's not genuine from him, Silco is a man driven by morals and codes, just very twisted ones.
I whole heartedly believe that if Jinx didn’t have the tea-party and kidnap Silco, he would have done either two things with the deal that he was presenting and being presented with by Jayce.
1.) He would have rejected Jayce’s offer for peace and would have broken the deal that he made with him. This would be to protect his daughter Jinx, as he feels that he can’t loose her. Even if breaking this deal and the peace meant that there would be further conflict between Piltover and Zaun, maybe even a siege by Piltover or even a war, he would risk all of that just to protect his daughter Jinx. “The topsiders have offered me everything. Independence a seat at the table. They can all Burn! Everyone betrays us Jinx! Vander, her!” (violet) “They will never understand. It’s only us. You’re my daughter. I’ll never forsake you.”
From both what he says here in the final episode, this is why I believe that he was willing to go to war with Piltover, if so it meant that he would keep Jinx from going away to prison for what may have very well been the rest of her life. He feels that it’s the two of them against the world.
2.) Silco would have done what Vander attempted to do for Vi when she attempted to surrender herself to the enforces in act one of season one. There’s a chance that with his understanding that the reason Vander gave up the revolution against Piltover all those years ago because of family and adopting Vi and Powder, this would lead him to the understanding that Vander was going to go to prison in Vi’s place for the sake of his family. This in turn, like with Silco’s intention not to forsake Jinx, could have resulted in Silco being the one who turns himself over in Jinx’s place. If Jayce refused then Silco would have been willing to bear up arms to both protect the undercity, and especially to protect Jinx.
In this scenario he would have Sevika be the leader of the city, and for her to promise him to take care of Jinx in his stead, if Jayce accepted the offer by Silco to go to prison/stillwater in Jinx’s place.
Both of these scenario’s are consistent with Silco’s character in my opinion. And your video about how boundless Silco’s love for Jinx is kind of proves my point.
And better yet the second scenario kind of shows that in spite of how bad of a person Silco is, there is a still a part of him that can pave the way for his redemption. Maybe through imitating Vander either throught rh second or especially the first scenario, he would do everything in his power to actually win the war against Piltover, and then if he wins, he would work to right his past wrongs and truly heal the undercity.
Dude, he is far away from toxic parent. He literally loves her unconditionaly as you said. And he did respect her boundaries and never manipulated her. He was jgnuinly did believe in truth he told her. So nah - he is not a toxic parent. I wish my father was such "toxic"...
Silco is a complex character but what makes him truly great for me, is that the complexity is not achieved through either a suprise reveal (shimmer is actually good for you or something) or a last minute change-of-heart (Darth Vader!). He is upfront about his goals and his methods from the get-go, and same for his love of Jynx. He simulteanously embodies and subverts tropes, but in a way that is perfectly coherent AND transparent looking back. If a viewer is surprised by his actions it's because we see him through the heroes' eyes (who aren't unjustified either) and because of the expectations we have for someone embodying the villain trope, not because of any sleight-of-hand by the writers.
What I love about the culmination of his character arc - the moment he gets Jayce's proposal, is that it crowns both threads of his character - yes we see that his love for Jynx is sincere but also that his commitment to revolution is also 100% sincere. Both clear in retrospect. Both in doubt theretofore if looked at through standard character tropes or our hero's eyes. (Vi literally tells the council in ep8 that they're wrong to think they can make peace with him).
I'm angry with s2 for a lot of things, but the most unforgiveable thing was that Jinx never seemed to be as crushed with guilt/grief as she ought to be after accidentally killing Silco. How many scenes did she have where she thought about him? I only remember 6, they were short and mostly inconsequential, and she didn't seem to be THAT traumatized in any of them. They try to tell me she's crushed after s1, but they just do a cruddy job of showing the pain of losing a loved one.
The thing is that unconditional love is still toxic love, "You can hurt me all you want and I still love you" is not healthy at all in any relationship.
@@miguelarturogallegosacuna3803 unconditional love is only toxic if the relationship itself is toxic .
The general idea of unconditional love isn’t to necessarily be a doormat but rather to love someone regardless of their shortcomings/circumstances outside the relationship with obvious expectations.
@@Constantine_James It is toxic if the person is toxic like a husband who cheats and the wife always forgives her. Silco was toxic in the way that he overprotects Jinx from consequences, he never teaches Jinx to be responsible, and that lack of foresight is the downfall of Jinx, she takes a child to a battlefield against an army, and after that she only thinks of killing herself rather than helping other, It is understandable from her point of view but there is the fact that she is olwais doing something reckless.
@@miguelarturogallegosacuna3803 I never said their relationship wasn’t toxic
@@Constantine_James It is a blurred line with these characters in every sense of the word!
One thing that was subtle nuance only possible by the proffesional and expierenced writers of season 1 (which 80% of were removed for season 2) had the ability to also show this, unintentional by both of them, subtle sexual mannerisms, like jinx sitting on his lap or other things. But it was just something that was from great writing it wasnt that they had sexual energy it was just how jinx was acting like a child with him from love and trust as a father figure but shes like 18. Gosh silco is such a greatly written character. And retconning that he "always knew powder" was a poor choice in season 2. Silco i never saw as a monster i always saw him as hurt. The perfect poster character to showcase the story of nuanced morally gray characters of arcane.
Yess this is a big thing that a lot of people misinterpret. Their boundaries are pushed to a slightly uncomfortable lvl not because they are actually evolved sexually but because they both have messed up lives and don’t understand social norms for how to properly show affection .
I remember the writers saying something along the lines of “we wanted to make the relationship between Silco and Jinx feel uncomfortable to the viewer” and they did it. The true achievement of their writing was making us feel a complex but subtle cocktail of emotions and feelings towards the characters; they never feel flat, the never feel unrealistic or two dimensional thanks to the understanding of humanity from the creators.
The characters in Arcane grow, develop, change their belives and sometimes even contradict themselves; and it works. People are complicated like that.
Did you say "for all intensive purposes" instead of "intents and purposes" shfkskd
No but fr, I wholeheartedly agree w you, Silco was def not healthy but he was the only one in S1 who loved Jinx unconditionally, exactly the way she was, flaws and all
@@luchirimoya wait a second I thought it was for all intensive purposes? You may have just changed my life haha .
@@Constantine_Jamesyeah. It’s cause many say it quickly and i have made the same very common mistake. The proper phrase is “for all intents and purposes”. But well, both sound so similar that the get mixed up.
He only love her as long as she stays as Jinx and be on his side. If she betrays him and join Vi, he wouldn't love her anymore. That's a condition for you.
@@rustygear447 really? cause she killed him and he still loved her. she was dying and if you think its "conditional" he would have let her die since well "she's no longer useful" same with getting rid of her since she's a loose cannon
@@halfknight2310 The condition is that she stays as Jinx, not that she's useful. He loves Jinx, and he doesn't love Powder. So that's the condition - be Jinx and not Powder.
Edit: To put it into perspective, this is equivalent to parents saying something like - I love you as long as you're not gay, or become an atheist, etc.
Thank you for this truth bomb, some people need to hear this, even tho most of them will not understand.
1:09
You can see the difference
Between vi & silco, vi actually
Did hit jinx while silco never
did, its kinda hilarious how
the big bad respects & loves
Jinx more then her own sister
did, if anybody disagrees thats
fine with me, but i find it odd
and wonder if it was done
On purpose to make vi seem
Like a hero when shes actually
kind of a bad person.
I could not agree harder 100%
Not a fair comparison. Jinx hadn't blown up all his factories and all his life's work like how she killed everyone that Vi loves.
Silco got mad at Jinx just for the little hiccup she caused him when stealing the hex gem. Vi didn't get mad, but instead supported Powder when she threw away the loot the gang risked their lives getting.
@@rustygear447
Yeah but powder was like a child
Vi brought her there in battles she
wasn't even ready for, even Milo
Said they shouldn't bring her along.
I honestly find that interesting too. I think Jinx could've literally made any mistakes in he book and Silco would've never raised a hand like Vi did.
But. He's an adult. Vi was a kid forced to take on the role of parent as practically a kid herself. She carried the weight of Vander always telling her "whatever happens to them, it's on you."
Now do I think this gave her any right to smack her sister? No. But she was a kid that watched her whole family get killed right before her eyes and the last thing her father says to her is not I love you or something like that, but "Take care of Powder."
Whom she immediately finds out is the one who caused all of their deaths.
Vi is not a bad person, merely someone who tried her best but was pushed too far.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Silco made Jinx go on mission with Sevika, and when she messed up, Sevika complained just like how Milo complained. How did Silco react? Silco put her on a timeout right away compared to Vi who encouraged her.
I really like your videos man from the narration, the voice, the topics and so on. One thing I suggest you to work on is the “background” tho. I recommend to use images or clips of good definition and possibly taken by the actual episodes. There is a UA-cam channel named ‘schnee’ that analyzes series etc; his videos on Arcane are particularly good (not the ones on season 2 I dunno what happened to him there) and one thing that sticks out is the background aesthetic of his videos. The clips are clean, in high definition and taken directly from the show.
Now, I’m not saying to do EXACTLY what he does. But I do suggest you to look up some videos, in particular this two: ‘How Arcane Writes Women’ and ‘How Arcane Writes Men’ just to maybe take some inspiration on improvement.
But again, keep up the good work!
@grAnita- thanks for the tips definitely something I’ll need to work on . I’ve been trying to find ways of getting around copyright . Maybe I’ll reach out to some other creators for advice .
@ I heave no idea on how this works, but I’m sure you’ll figure it out so don’t worry and best of luck 👍
@ thanks man . If you have any other tips I’m always open to discussion.
@@Constantine_James sure thing :]
"You must finish the weapon!"
Unconditional, as long as it didn't involve her sister still in her life, right?
100%. These people see a toxic possessive relationship and think it's the best thing there is.
@@rustygear447I sighted many times in this video that while the love is unconditional it still is toxic .
This is just my take, but everything Silco told Jinx he believed wholeheartedly. Toxic still? Yes. But he tried. That's more than I can say for many dads out there.
Silco was damaged too, he didn't opt to be a father, he was put in the position. He was a man fueled by betrayal, hurt, and the want for a better future for Zaun.
Then a little girl got dropped into his arms that was also betrayed, much like he was. He guided her to let her past self die just like he did. He was trying to help her the only way he knew how.
It wasn't the right way in our eyes but for him he believed he was giving her what she needed.
VI was a threat he saw that would turn the one person he loved and trusted against him. And he fully believed that Jinx needed to let Vi go, like he had to let his past go.
I think even if Vi did get Jinx back and got her to trust her gain without Silco dying, he'd still love Jinx. He's afraid of her leaving him like Vander 'left' him.
@@Constantine_James That is conditions though. Don't get me wrong, Im a huge Silco fan, but I honestly think he's written SO well, that people end up sympathizing a bit too much with him.
@@Skol511 I get all of this, but it's still conditions. Unconditional love would be allowing her to make the mistake to go back to Vi.
Silco & jinx are my
favorite characters vi & Caitlyn
not So much they just seem
To be stuck in their own
Ways & didn't really get
Much redemption, especially
VI who was awful to jinx yet
Acts like nothing bad happened.
What about jinx that hurt vi
You are looking at it one sided because it is your favorite character
If my sister killed all my family while I expected her to be home I won't forgive whether we like it or not some mistakes are irredeemable jinx hurt vi just as much I hurt jinx people are looking at it one sided but in real life they would do much worse
What about jinx that hurt vi
You are looking at it one sided because it is your favorite character
If my sister killed all my family while I expected her to be home I won't forgive whether we like it or not some mistakes are irredeemable jinx hurt vi just as much I hurt jinx people are looking at it one sided but in real life they would do much worse
@khadijatmuritadoh2730
Yeah but she wasn't trying to kill
Their family, VI should of taken accountability and had someone
watch her, it also didn't help that
she told what happened to Vander
to her & then told her to stay Behind
all alone, vi imo handled the Situation even worse by Hitting jinx.
@@khadijatmuritadoh2730
Powder wasn't trying to hurt anyone
she was honestly trying to help
vi turned her into jinx, by hitting
Her & leaving her alone, Silco
Never hit jinx.
Seriously I still did not get it who would look after her
Vi is a kid like jinx expecting to take decision most adult would even struggle to take
She asked her to stay home because she didn't want to loose her too and she didn't leave powder she tried to come back after what power did don't get me wrong yes powder is not at fault but at the same time on this circumstances it is not right or wrong that matters but the deed done powder mistakenly killed her family she didn't mean too but what she did have echo effect on the life's of other no matter what no human on earth can take it
It is painful
Vi is a forgiving human
Some people would still look at you with disdain no matter or try to completely forget you exit because no matter the intention people are dead you can't bring them back
Unconditional? What a joke. Being possessive is a condition and a big one at that. Silco is very afraid of Jinx changing back to Powder or grow up into a healthy-minded adult. He can't let go of Jinx despite how much she wants to leave his bubble. There are a lot of bad parents just like this who can't let their kids grow up and have their own lives. Calling this behaviour as "unconditional love" is utterly deranged! "I will love you unconditionally as long as you live the way I want you to live" - Silco.
@@rustygear447he isn’t a great dad like I said . He has dozens of toxic traits all I’m trying to prove is that regardless of his flaws in his own right he did love her unconditionally. You say he only would love her if she lived the way he wanted but here’s the thing she didn’t . She constantly made his life actively worse and I don’t think her shooting him was something he wanted for her .
@Constantine_James He needed her to be Jinx and not Powder. That's the condition for his love for her. He can't let her choose her own identity. He wants her to be like him. That is not true love. The real world equivalent are those parents who say they love their kids "unconditionally" but they can't be gay, or believe in a different religion, or be an atheist, etc.
@where do you draw this conclusion when he draws his final breath? He calls her perfect just as she is . Flaws and all .
@@Constantine_James He said she's perfect as she is - the broken, destructive person. That's the Jinx he's always loved. His mind never changed to loving both Jinx and Powder no matter which one she chose he'll be happy if she's happy. No. He's only happy with Jinx because that's his daughter. His progeny. The one who would inherit his empire should his work come to fruition. Powder is nothing but an obstacle preventing Jinx from her full potential. Again, that's not unconditional love. I think you got a wrong definition of unconditional love.
@ I see what you’re saying . Jinx was Silcos daughter and he did love jinx unconditionally. He however didn’t love the person she was before . That being said however I still think at the end when he calls her perfect he’s talking about who she is in general .